/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3345131
https://algenpfleger.deviantart.com/gallery/27635231/Tons-of-practice

man, he was already pretty good when he started out in 2008.

the future looks bleak.

>>3346438
He was good. Future is only as bleak as you make it.

>>3346438
Not really.

>>3345134
wew I need to work more I'm fucking lazy compared to this german

>>3345134
And he's not even that good after all that practice.

>>3346545
He actually overworked his wrists, and got carpal tunnel in both of them, one after the other, IIRC.

>>3346565
He did all that to produce such shitty art and he has the nerve to talk about trying to have more time for other stuff than drawing

>>3346598
His faces are so unappealing but that aside most of his work are ok in my book (not the pic you posted though)

>>3346626
>His faces are so unappealing
The weird thing is that they considerably deteriorated in time. Never seen such a thing happen to anyone else.

>>3346598
Congrats on cherry picking the worst piece he made in recent memory. This thinly veiled 'shitting on artists you'll never match up to' is getting old. He's worked for MtG, Playboy, and plenty more big names, you'll never reach that.

>and he has the nerve to say "he did all that to produce such shitty art"

He is probably the worst case of stagnation I've ever seen

>>3346643
>that fucking hand
I respect his struggle, but don't come here with your bad fucking taste

>>3346650
I take it you don't own a mirror

>>3346628
>The weird thing is that they considerably deteriorated in tim
He fucked up his hand as far as I recall

>>3346697
There is nothing wrong with that hand. You're seeing ghosts anon.

>>3346734
That was before he even went pro.

>>3346736
Not him but you are pretty fucking stupid if you think her left hand is not fucked up. People like you shouldn't talk about anatomy whatsoever.

>>3346744
You mean her right hand.

>>3346747
From her point it's left hand, from our it's right hand, whatever

>>3346744
Redline it.

>>3346774
Not that salty anon, i think it's pretty good, but her left hand is a bit too flat. It should be thicker, have a little more body to it.

>>3346751
>>3346783
Her right thumb is the most fucked up part though. It's bent in an unnatural way for someone being unconscious. Her right index finger is also fucked up, kind of squashed, too wide.
0/10 would not get a handjob from.

>>3345131
This is sad. Why can't we get such a thing from artists that are actually good like Dave, Ruan or whatever? It would be actually useful because these people knew what to do to improve, here we get all sort of shit that doesn't tell anything and Algenpfleger isn't even good on his own, at all.

It's always shit artists. We can't get a peek into good artists' beginning.

>>3346819
Fuck off you retarded whiner. If either of those people were kind enough to share their art like Hans you'd find some other shit to bitch about. Fix your shitty ass attitude before you focus on art you retarded mongoloid.

>>3346822
If I were to receive as much content from either of them I wouldn't complain at all, guaranteed. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOOD

>>3346830
T. NGMI

>>3346836
You are the ngmi guy here if you are satisfied with shit. Wrong info is useless, sometimes even harmful. Here we got a guy who hurt his hands because he drew so much yet he is still shit, I would kill myself from being ashamed if I were him, how can you be this incompetent?

>>3346840
Are you better than him? Post work.

>>3346844
I don't have to post my work in order to critique other people. His art is amateurish and he seems to be very untalented given how much effort he put and what he's able to do now. Everyone who has a pair of eyes can see that it's all shit.

>>3346598
This is actually the best piece in this thread. Yeah the face is terrifying, but at least the image is dynamic and not overly tight. Everything else is kinda lifeless.

>>3346819
You still wouldn't do shit even if an artist you'd prefer shared their progress like this.

>>3346903
though to be fair two of the images are of dead people

>>3346906
Not true, at least I would know what to do in order to get better. Here we got hundreds of shitty images that don't tell anything, like he was doing random studies with no deliberate practice whatsoever.

>>3346886
>Everyone who has a pair of eyes can see that it's all shit.
Popular opinion is very favorable for him, so this is flat out wrong. Apart from you, the only people I've seen hate on algenpfleger are the people who can't believe he's that good and aggressively accuse him of tracing/photobashing/paint over photos/use 3D models (none of which he does, proven by livestream videos).

I must ask. Are you the same guy that rages about Ruan Jia and says that he's shit?

>>3346920
>the only people I've seen hate on algenpfleger are the people who can't believe he's that good
>he's that good
>that good

Hans, you should focus on fixing your goddamn anatomy, because 8 years have passed and you still do shit like http://algenpfleger.tumblr.com/image/171808611085

Hang yourself you fucking failure

>>3346886
>I don't have to post my work in order to critique other people.

You sure don't, your opinion is just worthless. So much that I didn't bothered to read the rest of your post. Enjoy mediocrity I guess :(

>>3346912
>at least I would know what to do in order to get better
First you have to define "get better", but if you can't figure that out then it just sounds like you want someone else's efforts to be a loose guide that does the thinking for you. A lot of the context for his studies is missing with the lack of forum posts he made alongside them but it doesn't require much critical thinking on your part to get a sense of what he's trying to figure out with a given study.

I'm gonna assume you weren't actually around to see Dave's blog where posted up his daily study routine/streams (last I checked a lot of the images were dead) but at first glance it was essentially the same as appleflinger, you gotta put your thinking cap on dude.

>>3346628
I may be wrong and apolgize if I'm but behind this figure looks out of a freeware 3D program. I feel like it kinda takes you out of the mood/painting.

>algenpfleger
>good

>algenpfaggot
>good

>>3346912
You're a fucking retard. It's the digital age, faggot. You have more than enough material, not that you even need it. I'll bet $1000 you don't even know the most basic of fundies, let alone being on Johannes's level. Good luck being a worthless NGMI fuckwit and I hope those excuses give you at least some comfort.

>this whole anatomy

I won't bother with posting every bad piece of his because it would take the whole day but it saddens me that /ic/ standards are so low. We were laughing at the guy few years ago how big of a failure he is with his health issues and stuff.

>>3346819
Are you talking about Dave Rapoza? Have you ever seen his pencils for his comic? He admitted himself before starting the comic he couldn't draw. He relied on his painting skill and composition to carry his pieces. He's one of the best western painters, I give you that but his pencils are just...

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveRapoza/status/971080278012604417

>>3346934
Says the guy crying about his slow improvement. Put yourself out of this existence so I don't have to read your retarded posts ever again.

>>3346938
maybe you should stop laughing at people who are better at art than you

>>3346949
Hans, 8 fucking years and you still can't draw. Get your shit together.

>>3346938
He specifically said he warped the anatomy on that to experiment with style. Keep cherry picking, crab.

>>3346946
Nigger I've been called talented all my life, I'm coming back to art and doing really fucking well with visible improvements each day. Fuck off with your retarded samefagging you literal autist. Posts hidden.

>>3346956
>He specifically said he warped the anatomy
Yes, making an arm a stick is warping the anatomy

>>3346958
Your mom doesn't count. Also
>doing really well
>visible improvements each day

Good luck with drawabox lessons, you'll get there someday

>>3346931
you act like you've never seen a magical retard lion before

>>3346920
>people can't believe he's that good
>aggressively accuse him of tracing/photobashing/paint over photos/use 3D models (none of which he does, proven by livestream videos).
>literally full on photobash + 3d >>3346628
>literally painting over photo >>3346643
>50/18 poster reply ratio
>the guy himself trying to shill his shit on /ic

fuck off faggot, this isn't deviantart

>>3346958
i'm on your side of the argument, but calm down anon. "i've been called talented all my life" is not a good claim to make on an anonymous board.

>>3346963
Do i have to rephrase it? he stylized the anatomy.

>>3347007
>>literally painting over photo >>3346643
Please tell me, why do you believe that was painted over a photo? Is it TOO realistic? Is the perspective too good? Is it the colors? What impressed you so much to come to that conclusion, anon?

>sucking a dick of someone who admitted he isn't good but doesn't really care

Time to add this algen faggot to filters.

SEETHING

>>3346929
You're not wrong, almost everything in this >>3346628 is straight out of Daz3D, including the figure and the clothes if I'm not mistaken. Of course he painted over some stuff though.

>>3346598
What did he mean by this?

>>3346643
What are you talking about? His quality has sunk like a rock.

>>3347073

>appleflinger threads
Haven't seen one of these in a while.

>>3346938
you're one of those guys who thinks el greco sucks i bet (side bet on you not having even heard of him}

>>3347073
>sacrifice life and health
>make it
>start cranking out paintings for some stupid fantasy game that mouth-breathing nerds play. only get paid $1k per painting.
>stop caring about art

>>3347152
I don't blame him. The less effort you can put in and more money you can make the smarter you are desu.

>>3347152
i think it's more an issue of time not of motivation

>>3347111
Yeah, it's been so long that I actually forgot his origin story. Just that he took like two years.

>>3346643
>>3347013
The anatomy looks so wrong to me but maybe it's just the clothes. Can anyone redline the body underneath in a way that doesn't look insane? It's like she has an extra section between her thigh and her iliac crest.

>>3346598

Having time for things aside from drawing is important, though. Drawing for the sake of drawing is like learning to speak for the sake of words. No one cares if your speech is eloquent if you don't say anything worthwhile.

Algen definitely has the technical aspects down. He would probably benefit immensely from taking a year or two off to travel and experience things.

>>3347349
>No one cares if your speech is eloquent if you don't say anything worthwhile.
Don't underestimate contemporary artists.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense_verse
>Christopher Isherwood from the anthology Poems Past and Present (...) makes grammatical and semantic sense and yet lies so earnestly and absurdly that it qualifies as complete nonsense:
>The common cormorant or shag
>Lays eggs inside a paper bag
>The reason you will see no doubt
>It is to keep the lightning out
>But what these unobservant birds
>Have failed to notice is that herds
>Of wandering bears may come with buns
>And steal the bags to hold the crumbs.

>>3347311
Lol just stop mate.

>>3347311
Go to a life drawing class and do some commissions. You have such an off idea about what’s important

>>3347387
I'm just curious. I've gone to life drawing hundreds of times, have drawn thousands of figures, and have been paid for dozens of pieces. Not everything is obvious to everyone. I guess if it's so obvious to you guys, you can show me?

>>3347381
>>3347387
Am I wrong? I'm not dissing Alpen or anything, I don't care if anatomy is altered, I just think it looks fucked up.

>>3347391
Well I think that picture in particular looks weird because of how the body looks slug-like. there seems to be a clash of misapplied knowledge, the kind that ends up in an arguably correct piece but totally unappealing

>>3347394
no it definitely looks really weird, like she's a mermaid or something

>>3347396
Thank god, maybe I'm sane. I'd say it's only arguably correct if you argue that the exaggeration was done to give the figure a particular shape.. which you could I suppose.

Sometimes I think the problem with images like this is that the level of rendering is too high for the level of sacrificing realism to aesthetics. In this case, to composition (could be concept, emotion, other things). So what you get is a superrealistic shell wrapped around an abstracted structure. The rendering needs to be simpler or more abstract for it to work if you're going to exaggerate the pose like that. Of course, I'm assuming it was all intentional which it may not be.

It's really nice piece in a lot of ways. I like the contrast of scifi and fantasy, the details in the floor, and the cold palette.

>>3347402
nah i don't think so, mannerists got away with it. and i think even appleflinger was usually success

>>3347412
>mannerists got away with it.
If by "got away with it" you mean being forever remembered with a label that was used by your detractors as a derogatory term, sure.

>>3347424
>>3347412
>>3347402
>>3347399
>>3347396
>>3347394
>>3347391
If you want perfect accuracy take a photo or render out some 3d scan, the only point in making art is to say something within the medium, which includes fucking the anatomy however you desire. But desu I don't see the issue with the painting, she has non silk cloth draped over her so it wouldn't reveal underlying anatomy anyway. It's not an artgerm supergirl shill piece.

>>3345131
Algenpfleger is a fraud and his tutorials are deliberately misleading.

>>3347013
Randis Albion did a fake step by step for a drawing that was later revealed to be a paintover when someone found the source photo by accident.

>>3347412
dat babby...

>>3347560
I'm not so hung up on accuracy, it's possible to distort and make it look good, in fact it;s necessary, and it's possible to distort and fail. There's also a subjective element to it. To me, she looks like a worm and it has a negative effect on the painting, it doesn't look intentional, and I think that if you fixed it, it wouldn't detract from the flow or compostion. For other people, the anatomical alteration may seem justified, or they just don't notice.

I'd say the cloth does look silk like, silk isn't always super tight/thin, but whatever it's intended to be, you can actually see some of the outlines of her leg, though it's unclear around the butt area. But the real problem is that there's no anatomical arrangement that makes sense within the boundary of the fabric, and all I can imagine is the distored body that must lie beneath. Perhaps if you made it all fluffy and billowy you could make that argument.

>>3347412
That's probably part of the reason I've never really appreciated mannerism on a purely visual level. Just *looks* like they fucked up, to me, even though I know based on the history that it was intentional.

>>3347615
>>3347619
This is his livestream account with several videos still on it on him painting from scratch several years ago. It's not even funny anymore, you guys are so impressed by him that you refuse to believe he can be *that good*. You're far worse than the people who are sucking his dick in this thread, because you're more in awe of him than they are. http://original.livestream.com/algenpfleger

why would a guy who documented his extensive improvement from the beginning for years at conceptart.org suddenly start painting over photos? Maybe you just want to believe this because it'll make you feel less inferior.

>>3347784
Very good post.

>>3347311
you act like you've never seen a wormwoman before

>>3347784
Yeah, I really don't get his haters.
>"He's a fucking hack, he's so bad lmao look at his anatomy and faces! Also, he must be painting over photos."

I assume this whole photo paintover accusation stems from the handful of hyperrealism pieces and studies he did many years ago.

Maybe he SHOULD start photobashing.

>>3345134
how do i view the actual images?

>>3347799
Chyah, whatever bro, I bet I pounded more wormpussy this week than you will in your life.

>>3346598
idiot. this was designed for a card about two inches by one inch. Thalia, Heretic Cathar

>>3346774
this. this board is actually sad.

>someone points out some flaws in algen works, might also give personal opinion on such things as subject matter etc.
>fanboy will have none of that, starts to troll by claiming algen outright sucks/photobashes/whatever
>people will obviously start defending algen since his stuff isn't that bad
>original critique completely forgotten, thread successfully derailed by photobashing/tracing/random stuff
Happens in almost every algen thread since forever.

>>3347832
to the right of the image, download

>fanboy will have none of that, starts to troll by claiming algen outright sucks/photobashes/whatever
Imagine having to make up a completely imaginary group of people just to support your own argument.

Yes anon you're right, it's just falseflags masterfully set up by ((((them))) to resurrect the almighty appleflinger's glory and not because /ic/ accuses people for photobashing and tracing all the time

>>3347857
Back to your containment board >>>/pol/

>>3347857
>a completely imaginary group of people
Yeah it's totally farfetched to think a professional artist has a fanbase.

>>3347864
Yeah it's totally farfetched to think that /ic/ accuses people for photobashing and tracing like every damn thread focusing on an artist

/ic/ just doing its thing like always and you got butthurt that no one stroked your dick over your highly intellectual academic critique.

>>3346942
>https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveRapoza/status/971080278012604417

Why does this tweet sound like it's written by Trump?

>>3347815
I don't see the appeal why you'd want your art to look like a screenshot from some early 90s saturday daytime fantasy show.

>>3347945
Because you're /pol/ subhuman?

>>3347950

No I think it's the exclamation mark at the end. Many such cases!

>>3347957
I was talking to my buddy Dan the other day and you know what I told him? I told him, I said, look... I've got it all figured out. I got it.
You know what was missing?
STRONG.
DRAWINGS.
Read my lips. It's strong drawings. I know it. You know it. Everybody knows it. And I said to him. I said... I starting looking around. Looking around at the... at all the other artists out there. And it's all the same! There's no strong drawings out there! And it's a shame. A real shame. These people. They're not doing their best. They just don't have the drawing down! Many such cases!

>>3347946
cuz your client would rather have you be done in a day rather than say 1 month.
dimwit

>>3347946

Because it's a trend. Nothing else.

>>3346963

Instead of that photo put your own work next time you post.

>>3347963
Those aren't concept art pieces you idiot. TGC illustrations like what Brad Rigney mostly does usually DO have a month long deadline.

>>3347946
>shit talking based Xena
smdh

>>3347802
3D paintover.

>>3348588

Show us the original 3D render then

>>3348626
A fake natty like Appleflinger would never upload the original model.

>>3348575
Yeah they do have a long deadline, but they also often have a set price per piece finished, so if you had the choice to complete say 8 photobashed and 3d based illustrations and earn say 800$ (if each one is 100) in a month or would you slave away at one single painting for 1 month for 100$ because of "muh art"
Use your brain for once.

>>3348578
Xena was fucking cancer. They really churned out a lot of shit in the late 90s.

>>3349269
>They really churned out a lot of shit in the late 90s
You secure that gaping hole in your face, son, or I'll be liable to do it for you.

>>3348945
So you have zero proof and zero credibility to your claims.

>>3349500
god im so glad there are still sane people on this earth

>>3349269
idk i always liked how she just had a gf, not even like stealthy homoeroticism, just a gf but with no kissing

>>3348950
I didn't say it wasn't more profitable for the artist, the anon (you?) I replied to was making the argument that "your client would rather have you be done in a day rather than say 1 month."
which is utter nonsense when it's an illustration with a month long deadline. Obviously the client would prefer you to spend as much time as possible within said deadline and produce the best work possible, rather than a rushed 1 day photobash. Use your brain for once instead of always trying to be right.

>>3348950
>>3349714
Also, it's not 100$ per illustration, it's around 1000-1500$ per illustration. So you should probably make sure to deliver a product that looks like it's at least somewhat worth that money. Now, obviously someone as established as Brad Rigney, who has worked for MTG since forever and has proven that he can deliver good looking, consistent photobashes doesn't have to worry about that, but if say someone like you got their foot in the door at MTG or Applibot and you send them a 1 day photobash that looks every bit like it's worth a 100 bucks, it will most likely be your first and last job from them.

>>3347619
can you post it?

>>3346628
>>3346598
agreed. his earliest works are better than all of the shit he had put out in last 5 years or so.

>>3346734
yeah that was before and a bit while he made some of his best works.

>>3345131
I like Algen for the most part but I don't think his art fits MTG at-fucking-all. I really liked the ol "textbook/religious illumination book" style the old cards had. It wasn't the best art but it really fit the feel of MTG so much more.

>>3345134
You can see how he goes to shit as soon as he stops having Jana Schirmer tutor him and starts coming to /ic/ instead.

>>3346938
This is the end result of /ic/'s "don't stylize until you loomis loomis loomis" bullshit.

>>3347311
Are you retarded? You can clearly see the outline of her legs and knees through the dress.

>>3347047
>he's literally using daz3d market assets and hoped people wont notice

>>3353050
That's not just Algen though, but rather a general shift in art style as more and more of the new generation of illustrators replaced the old ones.