/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3339687
of course you entitled chimp

>>3339687
Craig Mullins can do whatever the fuck he wants

It's reasonable to whoever buys it.

>>3339687
Dude yeah, he’s the godfather of digital art. He has probably captured <1% in terms of $ of what he’s given to humanity.

>>3339687
>Resolution: 1920 x 803 px
I have images of his that are 20,000px.

Is he impoverished or what? Damn these are hard times.

I'm not saying I am entitled to get shit for free, he can price his stuff however he wishes. But is this a good way to go about it? I wonder if his patreon could have been more succesful if he played the marketing game better. It just seems weird to sell a single small resolution image like this

>>3339713
Yeah true, he deserves money but it’s hard to count to a million with $1 images. This won’t work, the art community needs a forum focused on monitisation.

What’s interesting is with all his experience and network this is what he is going for, might just be an experiment though.

It's completely unreasonable, because by making money and being successful he is making me feel completely useless. How fucking dare he.

LINK!?????????????

how do you even know this is really him.

>>3339721
>how do you even know this is really him.

Posted on his facebook bruh.

"
Hello,
Here are some gumroad links to some paintings I have done for Patreon.
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Painting of... a street from the Star Wars universe. Fan Art. Included is the full resolution PSD source file (10000 px square), a flattened full size jpg and a screen rez jpg. Also there are 10 progress jpgs to show how it evolved.
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https://gum.co/BdIVD

A Greek funeral, looking at Waterhouse,oc
full rez, progress jpgs
https://gum.co/QrjL
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full rez, no progress jpgs
https://gum.co/WsZkp
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screen rez jpg
https://gum.co/dnRKX"

>>3339693
This.
Why the fuck not, OP?

>>3339687
>>3339713

"selling"? How is a patreon reward considered selling something?

>>3339754

He is selling it on gumroad.

>making lots of money is bad
>art careers are bad because you can't make lots of money

Which one is it? Or are you just salty middle-class socialists who just can't stand successful people, because it reveals your own uselessness?

if you're into concept blurs, sure why not

though you could just take the thumbnail and blow it up yourself without really losing any detail when it's that blurry to begin with

>>3339717

Also could just be a side hustle. If you're selling art you did anyway for $1 a pop and 100 people buy it that's basically free money, even if you might have asked more if you were to do commission work.

Yes, he can do whatever he wants to do with the artwork he created you collectivist fascist

And people are free to spend their hard or Ill earned currency on whatever they want

>>3339725
Man what a good guy

>>3339687
Not even worth making a thread over, in my opinion. If people are buying these I'm sure they understand they're getting a digital copy of digital art that they could easily download on the internet, and probably just want to support him. If they're not then whatever. Who cares? It's not like he's asking $100 for these, that would be fucking unreasonable.

>>3339764
Yes, cause it's a way for people to get the older patreon rewards by paying the same amount.

>>3339725
>>looking at Waterhouse

doesn't look like Waterhouse

>>3340524
I see some parallels in this Shalott and the Ulysses paintings Waterhouse did.
Also
>those feet
Cool to see that even an amazing and skilled artist like Mullins can't pump out perfection without effort.

>>3340524
My favorite part of the painting is the little rug with the cow on it.

moooooo

yeah, it's fine crab. get on his level and then bitch.

>>3339710
He lives in Hawaii, shits real expensive here.

>>3342978
Ur so random lol date?

>>3343017
He moved to Colorado.

>>3343043
Oh damn prob needs that weed money then

>>3339706
Lol. Digital art isn't art though

>>3339706
He's contributed to the production of such pivotal cultural touchstones as "Flubber". Wow. We all owe him more than we can offer.

>>3343057
Where would we honestly be with Matrix Revolutions and Armageddon?! Craig has given us so much. We are not worthy

>>3339687
For +1$ it's a honnest sponsorship.

>itt jealous socialist crabs

>>3339706
>I parrot other peoples opinions without forming my own

>>3343057
>>3343058

I like how you fags are just ignoring Apollo 13, Forrest Gump, Jurassic Park and Tangled. And that the screenshot conveniently cropped out games like Halo, Age of Empires, Wolfenstein, Europa Universalis, Dragon's Dogma, Mass Effect, Fallout, and Assassin's Creed.

Do you actually feel like you're always right when you cherrypick examples or do you have to confront somewhere in your head that you're bullshitting?

>>3345671
>Apollo 13, Forrest Gump, Jurassic Park and Tangled
also all trash movies
>Halo, Age of Empires, Wolfenstein, Europa Universalis, Dragon's Dogma, Mass Effect, Fallout, and Assassin's Creed
all trash video games

He's contributed nothing to society other than "hey look at this sweet armor" "hey look at this sick castle" "hey look at this retard played by tom hanks"

>>3345671

>I like how you fags are just ignoring Apollo 13, Forrest Gump, Jurassic Park and Tangled.

craig mullins is a privileged white male

>>3343057
>>3343058
>>3345677

>>3345686
Go on watching Forrest Gump I guess. I'll be over here not watching Forrest Gump.

>>3345677

>Apollo 13, Forrest Gump, Jurassic Park and Tangled
>also all trash movies

>Halo, Age of Empires, Wolfenstein, Europa Universalis, Dragon's Dogma, Mass Effect, Fallout, and Assassin's Creed
>all trash video games

agreed

>>3345677

>I don't like them so they weren't culturally influential and commercially successful

I could say Michealangelo is a trash sculptor and my opinion would hold about as much value as yours.

>>3345744
>Michelangelo's sculptures are of equivalent cultural significance as FORREST FUCKING GUMP

the absolute state of /ic/

>>3345767
Not only this:
>Michelangelo's sculptures are of equivalent cultural significance as the concept art some nameless digital illustrator did for FORREST FUCKING GUMP

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE ARTWORK AND CRITIQUE SECTION OF A MONGOLION BLUEBERRY PICKING FORUM

>>3339687
this guy traces, I don't respect him anymore

>>3345772
true

>>3345692
Joking aside, >>3339706 is an overstatement of Craig's relevance on the cultural scale, but choosing to zero in on his career as a cog in the production pipeline for the entertainment industry as if that at all encompasses his significance as an individual is short-sighted and ignorant as all hell (but this is /ic/ after all). Rather than identify him as the "godfather" of digital art, it would be better to specify digital painting, and that's an important distinction.

I don't want to contend the point of his overall cultural relevance because even I think he's not particularly significant on a scale as grand as that, but he is a colossal influence on the entirety of digital painting and cementing it's viability in various industries. Also this little 400 something paged pdf has probably contributed more to the people occupying our small little nook in the world than anyone in this thread (probably board), including me, ever will.

>>3345788

>>3345818
fuark

craig climbed a ladder that only ended up leading into chinese bureaucracy and an inbox flooded with mandarain or broken english

>>3345786
>3345786
>>3345788
>>3345818
fuck me thats some high level autism, but thanks for the info anon

Like it or not, knowing how to photobash and trace are a big part of the industry and Craig's ability to do so are a part of the reason why he's so coveted.

Now I'm not a big fan of the guy I just always find it interesting when the board bashes both methods when there's so many aspiring concept artists here.

>>3345858
>Like it or not, knowing how to photobash and trace are a big part of the industry

this is literally every other post on this board. the fact that you guys call illustrators "professionals" and drawing cartoons for Candy Crush "the industry" is so sad. Don't you guys have higher aspirations? Why do you constantly have to elevate the positions of these failed fine artists by calling them "professional in the industry". They're losers. They aren't artists. They're illustrators. All the "fine artists" you guys glorify like KJG and John Singer Sargent and Leyendecker are universally panned by any serious art critic as self-masturbatory garbage. These "Gods" you guys look up to are literally the butt of every joke in the ACTUAL art world

>>3345858

>>3345861
>the ACTUAL art world

>first class of visualisation
>professor gets up the front
>cheat everywhere you can
>this industry is about speed and skill
>no one in the industry cares if you trace over photos
>the only people that get mad have no bearing on whether you get paid
>forget about the normal people
>you art isnt for them any more

>>3345858
>Now I'm not a big fan of the guy

I'm not a big fan of the industry

>>3345861
mind sharing some art from this actual art world

>>3346041
Gauguin, van gogh, Picasso, da vinci, Michelangelo. Lookem up. Actual Gods. And they were anything but "professional" if you know anything about their lives, but keep looking up to illustrators because at least your normie mind can wrap your head around that.

>>3346067
>Gauguin, van gogh, Picasso

modern degenerates


here's actual "gods" for you:

Λύσιππος, Φειδίας, Πραξιτέλης, Πολύkλειτος, Λεωχάρης, Μύρων

>>3346141
I've studied Greek but I've never realized how wrong the accents were in English and my mothertongue too for these people names.

>>3346141
>Auoittittos
>O3IOiAC
>Npa3it3ans
>Noyukaeitos
>Aewxapns
>Mupwz

buncha hacks

>>3345768
>one of the most established concept artists of our time is a shit artist because he is no Michelangelo

Amazing argument.

>>3339687
Anything that people are willing to pay for is reasonable, it's their choice

>>3345788
He copied the corner of a cliff? This nigga really couldn't do that himself?

>>3346229
Obviously he could, he probably uses other paintings as a foundation to base off of to save time. The thing with production art is that you don't have an infinite amount of time to work on it so anywhere you can save time will make you more valuable. The paintings are in the public domain regardless, and people who get upset over pointless shit like this need to take a shower, hit the weights and get a clue.

>>3346171
Are they on tumblr? Have pixiv id's?

>>3345767

I think you missed the point that brainlessly "it's shit" as an argument is an opinion that's worth exactly nothing in both case.

>>3346171
what's wrong with you?

>>3345804
Exactly. He has amazing digital rendering skills I think we all wish we had. The pdf has some good info but I wish it was organized better.

>>3345818
So what if he used an old master's work to refer to? It's not a 1:1 copy, he created something new overall. Why wouldn't you want to take cues from the best?

>>3346067
Alright but any good artist looks up to these guys too? I don't understand what you're arguing here.

If you can squeeze out more monies out of your devout cult of followers without making them stop and think for a second - why not?

Remember, your main goal as an artist is to convince other people that they NEED and WANT to pay a fuckton for things that really don't have much of a value.

>>3345772
>>3345784
eh, he's a concept artist. You learn how to do something quick and it becomes a habit you don't think twice about. Especially when you know for a fact you could have rendered it out perfectly without painting over or tracing it. So it just saves a bit of time.

I feel like the tracing/paintover thing only becomes an issue when you're not changing a god damn thing about it, like NADIR and the like.

I have quite a few I painted over pieces of photos but I'm going back to re-render them "legit" so people can stop bitching about it.

pic related, left had several photos collaged and painted over and the right was from scratch and all meeeee.

>>3345677
>Dragons Dogma
>trash

I saw this post on the front page and just wanted to let you know that you're a pretentious braincel.

>>3346326

Not to be a cunt, but I hope you don't put yourself in the camp of "Especially when you know for a fact you could have rendered it out perfectly without painting over or tracing it.". Your rendered piece is far from perfect.

>>3339687
he is not just selling an image for 1 dollar, he is selling the different tiers from his patreon because people asked for the oppotunity to buy it after the patreon rewards end.

Is IC literally this retarded?

>>3345784
i'd love to see you try creating the same thing, in fact id love anyone on IC creating the same thing. He has still changed alot and made it painterly.

How do you think sargent created his paintings? by drawing boxes and from imagination? IC is so fucked.

>>3343057
what is your goal? how big of a movie do you expect to work on before you have fullfilled your childhood dream. Oh, and also, post your work.

>>3345767
time moves on and new things arise. Its not possible to be "the Michelangelo of 2018", but in 2080 some of it might be remembered too, who knows, and most of all who the fuck cares.

>>3345677
all of your precious old masters were just slaves of rich men that forced them to work their whole lives to be able to paint 2-3 great paintings in their entire lifetime.

if someone paid craig mullins to spend 1 year of his life just painting some fucking decoration for a church, im sure he would paint every goddamn pixel himself.

in modern day most of the digital art is concept art, not art, lets not forget, and even still, Mullins is probly the closest you get to actual art today, since all the traditional artists are just photocopiers and the other side of the concept art industry is just photobashing like hell.

>>3346368
>How do you think sargent created his paintings? by drawing boxes and from imagination? IC is so fucked.

What version of photoshop do you think sargent used?

>>3346382
what is the difference between painting something from a picture and painting something from life when you use the infomation you have learned from painting from life at other times?

have you seen modern trad paintings? its literally just a photo painted on canvas. at least mullins is using his knowledge about life.

>>3346385
It doesn't sound like you've seen modern trad painting before...

>>3346396
im not saying literally every painting, but the shit u see at museums. huston is something else, but i've yet to see anything from him in real life.

>>3346401
What museums? Majority of paintings I've seen are not photo copies. If anything, digital art is more towards photo copying since it's much easier to do paint over and use filters.

>>3346409
just most contemporary art that isnt bananas glued to a toilet seat. Even phil hale that i actually like, sometimes just has this straight photorealistic effect to it.

>>3339709
share plx

>the state of /ic/
delete this board

>>3346409
>Majority of paintings I've seen are not photo copies.
Copies from models

>>3346456
And these paintings will never exist as an unstaged photo because they are abstractions of reality.

>>3345784

>tfw so good people think you traced

hi5 craig welcome to tha club

>>3345784
He put the ear too high, what a noob

>>3346368
>>3346382
Portrait artists of the era used completely different techniqes that most /ic/ has no awareness of and frankly, has no use of.

They worked with the subject posing in front of them. Some artists used grid systems, some used 'size-sight' methods etc. This isn't beneficial info for most people here though.

>>3345767
>>3345768
Mike Angelo just made a bunch of dudes with their dicks out. Seems kinda faggy to me.

>>3345784
is this from a movie?

>itt: nu/ic/ discovers professional artists use reference
as for selling high res, i guess you make money where you can but i don't like how the art community is turning into a bunch of walled gardens and embracing pay-per view mentality overall. i guess that this is what happens when you lose the strong sense of community that places like sijun and ca used to foster.
>>3346302
just wait until they find jaime's old paintings with compositions pulled straight from master studies.

>>3346326
how are you doing wakka?

>>3346362
Here's a reply so that you can say I talked to you once. Also, don't be so obvious in your trolling.

>>3347179
does wakka still have those rendering tutorials or are they all paywalled now.

What happened to tehmeh? He seems to not exist any more on the internet despite his god tier art skills.

>>3347409
Going by his subjects, he probably got culturally enriched by a tiger in India/SEA or something.

>>3347425
What?

>>3347425
iirc he did a trip in india

>>3347409
>thinks this is good

phew

>>3347409
He's painting some muddy backrounds for some no-name indie game last i heard lol

>>3345788
>>3345786
>>3345818
autistic faggots doing this instead of drawing.

>>3347409
He doesn't use "Tehmeh" any more.

http://www.ollylawson.co.uk/
>that one page CV

I don't really understand the reaction people have towards him photobashing. He's a concept artist, you can't do the job in time unless you find the least time consuming way of communicating your ideas.

Concept art is not, and doesn't try to be a piece of art, it's an effective way of demonstrating an idea, a concept.

>>3347522
lmao

>>3347616
>that one page CV

Is that bad?

My CV would probably be even shorter because I earned enough money with few AAA jobs and some smaller jobs I had.
I'm only in the business for like 4 years tho.

I never had to apply anywhere tho, so luckily I don't have to make a CV.

>>3347877
Link to your stuff?

>>3347190
He's right tho bro

>>3347409
He died in a car crash accident.

>>3348237
really?

>>3348215
>samefag is samefag