/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

My friend is starting to practice bodies. Anything he should know ?
Pic related is his first full body from reference.

>>3342824
>My friend

Anyone here uses colored pencils?
Is it better than markers?

What kind of outline do you guys use for characters, if any?

Pic related isn't mine but somewhat similar

>>3342835
I'm the progressanon, the one that post her progress everywhere without trying to progress more. I'm just trying to help a friend.

im not done with this. how is it looking so far? im aware of a few minor issues

>>3342613
unironically loomis

also rockwell

>>3342870
For once that this meme is true. Loomis is perfect for this kind of style.

wip
made with mouse
program I use is medibang
Honestly I don't know why I still have this grainyness when digi painting, how could I get rid of that? Maybe with tablet I could make more smooth works.

The thing is that the place where the sand\dirt supposed to be , it just awfully grainy, like you can see each one of my strokes. How could I get over that? Studying?

Also how's my lighting game? Its the first time I did try lights . Later I realized I should've stretched out the area the lights of the gates effect, and I will do it when I'll continue...

Idk any kind of constructive criticism is welcome...

>>3342852
Just a regular old Loomis mannequin, but with a few modifications for clarity. Proko's method of Ribcage construction, for one.

>>3342896
Use a blending brush to blend different values, and/or use a tablet and use pressure to lay down coats of various weight to solve the "grain" problem. Honestly for digital painting, a tablet is kind of a necessity - you don't need a good one though, any $40 Ugee will work well enough.

I can't do hair and I think that's because I can't paint. Will learning painting help with lineart? Painting first and then trying to simplify the painting with crosshatches or the other way around?

>>3342948
Think of hair as a volume, block it out similar to constructing a human with simple forms. Also her right (left side of image) eye makes her look like she has a lazy eye. And her left arm is broken.

Digital painters usually but not always start with a sketch and then paint over it.

>>3342950
A volume? I may have autism, I can't stop thinking about one gazilion strands instead of one tuff. I can try and simplify most things, but hair to me is like an alien thing I never saw.

>>3342954
In reality, hair is made up of bunches and clumps held together by oils. Very rarely do you want to draw actual, indvidual strands of hair, usually only with strays.

>>3342824
Anyone ?

>>3342954
I think what that anon was trying to say was that you have to think of hair as ribbons. I don't know about your hair, but mine definitely clumps to a certain extent, enough to differentiate blocks of strands.

Anyways, you can see in pic related that the artist hardly shows individual strands, but instead implies through breaking apart the ribbons.

>>3342962
Head's too small and the ear looks slightly too far up

I feel like I'm making really stupid, easy mistakes, but I have no clue how to fix them

>>3342972
Fixed file size because I had a lapse of stupidity

almost DONE

>>3342977
Hair's flat and her right (left side of image) breast is too far to that side, almost in her armpit. The visible hip area seems disrupted by the wing coming out of her torso, looks disjointed like it should have been thicker but you lost the "line" when you drew the wing.

>>3342868
same mistakes as always.

>>3342990
what do you mean "like always"? what mistakes was i making 1.5 years ago that im still making now?

>>3342986
thanks for the help sempai, fixing now

Hi friends, what think? I dont know much about the torso. But im working on fixing it as i learn more stuff.

Any serious (possible harsh) criticism/critique.

any thoughts?

>>3343097
Damn, forgot the image.

>>3343100
>>3343101
Focus on learning how to draw realistically before making stylistic decisions. More Vilppu less J.G. Quintel. If you don't know how things are supposed to be, you can't exaggerate or diminish them correctly, which is what style is.

>>3342986
More changes and threw some colors to make things easier to see

any thoughts on this turd?

also thanks for the input >>3343102
I deleted to resize it.

>>3343102
I see that. Can you point out specific areas where I need practice?

>>3343120
Start with basic forms (spheres, cubes, maybe pyramids, all in perspective) and then move on to construction and figure drawing from reference - if you get bored, practice Gesture drawing.

>>3342963
I was searching for an image to ask you a question and then found the answer on another one, so thank you for this post.

>>3342959
thanks for this infographic

>>3343015
I critique your shit again and again god dammit.

Use a bigger brush and start blocking out shapes, then zoom in and refine, zoom in and refine, zoom in and refine. So that disgusting pic related doesn't happens.

And do dem studies, you will progress what you haven't progressed in months in a week of studies.

>>3342807
lol, thanks for using my picture OP, not sure if I should feel honored but I do.

>>3343107
some quick thoughts, did you use a reference?

Been working on this about 10 hours. Should i continue on or kill myself?

Downloaded and trying out Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching 1 course. On week 2 and I'm not sure if I'm doing these rounded forms right...

>>3343186
Water isn't bad, but your skin rendering and colors are bad.

>>3342824
How is your friend so good?

>>3343189
You're getting there. About as much as could be expected.
You're having the contours go a bit much over the edges, and you're also missing having them on the surface of the forms.
The bends you're trying to incorporate, seem a bit above your present skillset, I'd advise keeping the contours simple and uniform until you can "nail it" then try to get more fancy with them.

Also if you're not yielding results, don't worry. It comes easier when perspective just "clicks" and you get it.
Keep at it, you're doing fine.

>>3343179
wow, I wasn't expecting a redline! thanks anon!

and I know its bad, but no I did not. I was just caught up in the sketching mood and did it freely.

I really appreciate this!

I'm a beginner on digital painting and I need some help on this. Critiques are very much appreciated.
I don't intend on being 100% faithful to the game's art style.

am i working on too much shit at once? i don't know what to focus on because there's so much wrong with my drawings.... im trying to fix my chicken scratching, my gesture drawings, my proportions,and my faces but they all end up like these. dump incoming,

1/?

>>3343220
2/5

>>3343220
>>3343223
3/5

>>3343220
4/5

>>3343220

>>3343220
>>3343223
>>3343225
>>3343227
>>3343229
put it into an imgur album next time

>>3343233
my bad, i haven't posted in a while

>>3343215
flip the canvas, right eye seems a bit off. nose seems like it's sitting or pointing a little too far on the right of the centerline and maybe personally it's a little too big. neck seems unnaturally vertical/stiff. you could probably push values more. not looking bad. if you're intending to put it on a background or different color I suggest you do that now because it will affect perception of the portrait massively instead of current bg.

>>3343220

Anon, you need more construction study.
Manga style and realistic style, are different logic methods.

You dont known both and mix them in a "flat chimera style.

>>3343285

Manga is more "round".
Realistic is more "square".

Learn Loomis and make this exercises to fix your construction.

>>3343289
thing is...i've been using loomis method this whole time... these are my excercises....

> im trying to fix my chicken scratching,

And dont worry this.
It will be fix in lineart. Focus on sketches first.

I'm pretty sure /beg/ is where I'm at. Also the background looks unfinished because i just slapped it in, I wasn't focusing on it too much.

>>3343303
Here's the reference image

>>3343300

See all in 3D, with volumes.
Not flat.

Any advice? Specifically for brushes?

I'm sorry if this is too shit to give any advice on but I tried shading for once and it turned out really hard. I've read that you need to block out values or something but in this picture for example everything just seems too blended together and I'm not sure how to properly convey it. The gesture is also not as dynamic as it should be.

I am so fucking disheartened by drawing. No matter how many times I try to practice, nothing works. I cant improve.

I practice faces from photos but they come out like shit, I draw from references but nothing lines up.I've been trying to learn all my life with little to no success and I am on the verge of just giving up forever.

Can someone please provide a picture of their work and a description of exactly what they did to improve. I've watched tutorial after tutorial and nothing works. Please help me.

>>3343319
>>3342808

>>3343322
Unironically post your work so it's easier to help you

>>3343305
can you post something detailing this? the redline you did doesn't exactly fit the references i was using, so it's hard to see exactly what you're talking about. your heads are using loomis, but you're guessing the framework i tried replicating.

>>3343319
don't even bother with shading. work on drawing accurately. measure and learn to use your eye. read dodson's "keys to drawing" for some things to look at like plumb lines and relationships. think of the body in volume and not as contours, you'll want to learn on construction to make your pictures look better. also you already know but sketch out some gesture more, even pre-planning a drawing like the one you're doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBDZKoWLB9A#t=5m24s

>>3343278
Thanks for the tips, friend. I won't plan on adding any background, as you said, I would've painted it before.
I'm currently happy with the nose size, but I'll try to fix its position. I'll also try to fix the neck and right eye.

>>3343322
>>3343328
I cant improve past this stage, no matter how long I work on it, I just end up making it worse.

The background of the bottom image is traced

>>3343319
You're drawing what you think ribs/abdomen/etc looks like, and not what you're actually seeing. You heavily shaded around her belly button but if you squint you can see the shadows continue further to the hip, up to the bottom of the rib.. etc.

>>3343215
>>3343278
Adressed some of the stuff you mentioned, such as eyes' height/size, values and neck.
I changed a little bit of the nose's size, but I can't seem to fix its position in the end. It was a huge help, thanks again!

>>3343342
I've never seen a painting that looks worse in a thumbnail than when it's full size. Not sure if this is good or bad.

Also mercy is good taste

>>3343189
Clearly better than those fucked up potato chips you drew last week, keep it up

>>3343303
>>3343304

Nose has been elongated, look up rule of thirds. Shadow shapes are wrong so you don't feel the true volume.

Note I'm not talking about the composition rule of thirds but the proportions of the face. They are addressed on the video. Watch it.

Squint more when you draw, try to get the shadow shapes in right size and proportion that's the key to getting likeness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>3343342
looks a bit like something by that guy from the anime thread, i can't remember his name. does anyone remember? he draws those soulless girl faces with blank stares and he spends ages on them

>>3343342
She cute bro, you're on the right track, keep going

>>3343345
I have no clue on why its thumbnails look so awful either. Thanks dude
>>3343464
I draw anime, but I don't think that's me.
>>3343467
thx mah frand

that fucking tuba warrior has invaded my brain

>>3343345
I have no clue on why its thumbnails look so awful either. Thanks dude
>>3343464
I draw anime, but I don't think that's me.
>>3343467
thx mah frand

>>3343488
lol

>>3343330


Here, this is page you are not pay attention.
The forms have an volume, it not flat.

>>3343578
When you want draw, you need pay attention of this volumes. You need follow this volumes.

>>3343581
And all forms have volumes.
The same principle is applied in all parts, draw constructs basic forms (with volumes) before define refine lines or styles.

>>3343582
Here the diference of your draw and correct technic. You need focus in practice constructs.

What do you guys think of this? http://store.steampowered.com/app/741150/ArtPose_Pro/
Is there something free like this that everyone uses?

>>3343634
It seems very interesting. It looks like Daz but with DesignDoll's intuitive posing which is something I really want.

Can anyone who own this give a rundown on how intuitive and fast the posing system is compared to DesignDoll?

>>3343583

Here the another example.
The construction of this figure is more like this.
Dorso and hip, follow the volume curve central line.
Hair follow the volume curve head central line.
All components have volume.

What drawing app do you use>

>>3343143
well thanks. it must be hard suffering my insolence. anyways, are you saying the brushwork is the biggest problem with this one? and the colors and construction arent bad? is there less symbol drawing?

what am i doing wrong?

>>3343687
what are you doing?

Second day drawing. The girl seems wonky but I can't understand why

>>3343688
tryin to draw people
but im bad

>>3343693
how long did one of these take to draw?

>>3343697
dunno i didn't time it. is that an indicator of progress?
maybe ~30min at a guess

This is the first time I tried stylized form, how did I do?

>>3343736
i like it, looks cool. reminds me of samurai jack a little bit. how long you been drawing? what program do you use?

>>3343740
Thanks.
>how long you been drawing
A little over a month, though irregulary. Before that, I went to an art school, but that was a very long time ago, when I was in elementary school. Lately I've been getting a lot of free time, so I decided to do something with it.
>what program do you use?
I've been using paint.net before, just now switched to photoshop, that's the first one in photoshop. I didn't think my toaster tablet would be able to run it until I tried.

/draw/ thread was a mess, so I think I'm just gonna go back to chill with u guys.

trying to work more with planes.

I've been using gimp for years now. Is it it fine to keep using it, am I fucked or should I switch now?

what can I do to improve this? I can't seem to get the breasts right

>>3343805
Looks fine to me.

>>3343773
>tfw I'll never be able to draw like this
how long did it take you to get to this point?

>>3343811
Just keep drawing and you too can be this good.

>>3343805
NGMI

>>3343805
I always found it cheeky how most of classical art has very detailed and authentic men, but women either have a very general shape devoid of finer details, or are just depicted as dickless men with misshapen blobs on their chest.

>>3343817
They used to use males models for every character of their paintings. That and Buonaroti was homosexual.

>>3343811
i've been drawing since I was really young, but really started focusing on it since last summer(gf broke up with me).
if u just draw alot you get better rly fast.

>>3343817
That's just Michelangelo being Michelangelo

>>3343817
men are easier to draw because everything isn't hidden under fat

>>3343944
I actually find women easier to draw than me

Probably because 90% of my figure drawing has been women kek

When does being inspired by an artist you like become just copying their art style?

Ive only gotten intondrawing revently and would like all the critiques/advice that i could get. Pls anons help a beginner out

>>3344005
the lines are pretty messy, and you should use a ruler for the boxes

>>3344008
Thx il take that into consideration.

>>3343972
Inspired and copying and one and the same. People use them for different connotations.

pls rate

>>3344050
>tfw could draw better than this but anon executed it better and had the idea
Good job. You like mosu?

>>3344050
>pls rate
your drawing is bad but you are a cool person

>>3343736
Looking good

Don't like the hair though

>>3344050
>>3344111
>>3344115
>The absolute state of /beg/

>>3344119
What's wrong with it?

>>3344126
>3. Only constructive criticism will be accepted. Rude or offensive comments will result in a ban.

Goodbye fag

>>3344131
the curl ends look weird for some reason

>>3343689
Did you go trough some course or begginer book?

>>3344136
Imagine what /ic/ could've been, was this to be enforced

>>3344155
Crab should be filtered desu

Is really starting to annoy me >"hay gais /ic/ is shit and crabby XD"

Just a few weeks ago started to really fucking pick up for some reason

I was doing a study of some hollywood thot but ended up drawing my waifu.
does this have appeal?

>>3344168
Looks good, but your waifu is shit.

>>3344168
Wow your waifu looks better with lighter skin

>>3344172
aren't all waifus trash?

>>3344168
How to get as good as you from being a /beg/

>>3344168
you are unfortunately in the limbo of Uncanny valley

grind a little more and you are going to be really close to make it

at least in portraits

>>3344178
not him but you have to read the books and online courses and that

>>3344168
Very appealing. Good blend between realism and style. It's not over rendered either. Hope you finish the dress.

ive been charadesigning a bit today, any thoughts or advises to give pls?

>>3344189
Cute! Got a blog?

>>3344194
deviantart page but nothing more, idk if ill ever post artworks on my personnal blog
and thanks btw

>>3343336

How much time do you spend drawing each day, and how long have you been putting in a real effort to learn? What is your practice routine? Have you worked through any books? Taken any lessons?

Post a study you've done, either a master study, a still life, or a finished portrait/figure study. No doodles. If you haven't done a mountain of all three of those, there's your problem.

>>3344189
eyes seem missplased

When drawing digitally how often do artists retouch their lines? I basically have to retrace and clean up every single line I make to make it clean. Will I ever be at a point where it's just right the first time, every time?

I know that i don´t need any special tools to start drawing, but what would be better to use first? any cheap HB pencil? can i use a mechanical pencil with .7mm 2B leads?

>>3344295
Yes

>>3344283
it's muscle memory, you can look up steps to making cleaner lineart or just practice lines and scribbling the same ones over and over again to get your hand used to drawing them.

>>3343693
Draw people, not artistic representations of people, and start with nudes.

>>3344295
Mechanical is for chads only

>>3344283
Rarely, because it's easier to hit ctrl-z and try the line again than it is to make a line hit with an eraser look natural.

>>3344295

I'd say at least get a good sketch book, a decent range of good quality pencils, and a kneaded eraser. If you stock up well it'll cost you maybe 30 bucks. A nice light 2H pencil for roughing things in and the kneaded eraser are your best friends. Cheap copy paper will be hard to work with as it doesn't erase well, and won't take layers of pencil for value. I usually get woodbridge sketch pads. Don't get an overpriced fancy sketch book.

Alternatively you could get some Conte 2B charcoal pencils and a big cheap pad of newsprint.

You can totally draw away with whatever you've got though and learn just fine. Stay away from lined paper though, keep it blank. When you're just starting out you're going to make a mess of everything anyway. It's good to start learning with proper materials as soon as you can though so you get a feel for how they're supposed to work.

Is Inkscape any good? Share your opinions please

help

>>3344553
don't trace for starters

>>3344559
i did not

>>3344553

The values are pretty good and the image looks good on the thumbnail.

But, your strokes all leaning to one side. Wrap your strokes according to the forms. Break down hair into multiple areas, put in the values and then add the details.

Shape first, form later and details last.

>>3343825
>i've been drawing since I was really young

Everyone does. Unlike the popular opinion here, those shit doodles doesn't count.

>>3343490
>I have no clue on why its thumbnails look so awful either. Thanks dude

I'm guessing the shitty texture....

>>3344050
i'd rate it a suck a cock/ kill yourself

can't shade for my life, critique please?

>>3344573
if shit doodles dont coun't. I've started art classes since October 2017.

>>3343490
no it's not you lol your lady has a facial expression for one thing. firez was the one i was thinking of. the name was just bugging me. you do eyes in a similar way

>>3343825
>really started focusing on it since last summer(gf broke up with me)

Similar thing happened, except in my case she wasn't my gf and rejected me. After realizing what a waste those months were I started drawing seriously and have been laser focused ever since

>>3344168
chin too pointy and you could land a c-130 on her cheeks. shoulder anatomy too

>>3344639
hell yeah my dude. stuff like that is the best motivator.


>>3344608
looks pretty cool anon, light source is kinda confusing, exp; legs compared to the hand
also the leg in the back is kinda funky shape wise.

do you gain anything doing speedpaints?

>>3344670
holy shit my monitor is way off

>>3344670
An eye for the values and composition.

Back to the ladder after a week or so being busy.

The next exercise in Keys to Drawing had a quick sketch exercise for shading, and I realized I don't understand sketching at all. Thus far I would just slam my head against the wall and trial and error for a couple of hours until it looked acceptable before moving on, but getting something to look decent in 5-10 minutes is really difficult. I don't know what details are important and which can be simplified. Anyone have any advice on drawing with a fixed amount of time?

>>3344168
That's not beg-tier.

>>3344757
then why does everyone tell me to "fuck off to /beg/" whenever I post somewhere else?

>>3344608
where is the light meant to be coming from?

the back of the legs make it look like its meant to be lit from the back, the shoulder/shirt looks lit from the front.

It looks like it could sort of be lit directly from the top in some way (especially with the knuckle lighting) but then there would be some light on the back too and highlights in the hair

Should i try to get good at drawing traditionally before trying digital?

>>3344256
could you be more precise please? also why mirroring it?

>>3344787
definitely
even more if your graphic tablet got no screen

>>3344168
Push skin tones.
Sinix has a great video about what I mean.

i started this last summer but recently decided to actually finish it. looking for a redline or general advice concerning any glaringly obvious errors.

fun with a pencil
not feeling the fun

>>3344894
you're supposed to draw off the circle not on the circle. ngmi

Are these drawing memes legit?

>>3344956
>fastest way to improve
>read
>read
>read etc.
Lol no. Just draw.

>>3344959
Thanks, im trying to makr it a habit, but these 4 hour read a book a day memes are intimadating me

>>3344979
not that anon, but reading is good, and understanding of theory helps make your practice more guided and therefore more efficient.

The big thing is just using your time wisely, the dudes that make it on this board stop playing games, they stop watching TV, and they draw in their spare time, because they are hungry for that success.
They don't ask how many times they have to draw the hand to get it right, they just draw as many as it takes. They read as much as it takes and they study as much as it takes. Once you start counting the cost of how many hours you need to put into this skill to become a professional, you will lose all motivation. Average work ethic attracts average people and average jobs.

Just keep your head down and draw/ read and study as long as it takes and you/'ll make it. Fuck the crabs.

1. Does this look ok as a sort of a glacier?
2. I want to make light falling on it from above, but also have a source of dimmer light coming from inside, from beneath the ice. Should I just draw them independantly, or do they somehow mesh together and interact?

>>3344981
Look up images of ice bergs and see how the light plays off them.

How to train your dragon has some awesome ones that have character and charm

>>3344984
Thanks, I'll look up the concept art.
I tried googling, but I could only find clear ice cubes and sculptures with inner light, not opaque glacier ice.

>>3344571
>How to train your dragon has some awesome ones that have character and charm
thx i will keep trying

Some 2 minute gestures, based on the Proko course.

>>3343196
Thanks will keep it up, but hopefully i can move on to the next lesson soon.

>>3343360
Uh thanks, but this is the first time ive posted my work in a while.

>>3343804
dareka answer this plz

>>3345040
those are good ones, a lot better than many you see in /beg/, because you have actually captured the gestures. they're also nice weighty figures.

i would recommend getting some charcoal or using a brush, so you can get some expression going on.

>>3344956
It looks legit but I cannot think of a list that sucks the fun out of drawing so much

Anyone recommending scottie how to draw books to a begainer is a mad man that wants to get rid of the fat early, the ones that can't stand the grinding or perspective are going to commit sudoku

What did you want to make anon?
Animu and cartoons or backgrounds & scenery or what?
I can recommend you some set of books that are more appropriate

>>3344894
You can try keys to drawing or drawabox instead if it's killing you

Man, I understand most concepts I just suck at execution.

>>3344819
You seem to be into the color book / clip-art style but you have a hard time with the line weight

Try reading this tutorial https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-create-a-cartoon-character-with-expressive-lines--vector-1799

>>3345106
Like charcoal sticks? Cause I use mainly a Conte 2B for my gestures. Also I have a few brush pens so I can try that out.

And good to know I'm getting somewhere after all this time.

>>3345108
Not the sam anon, but agreed, HtD is a good book but way to dense for a beginner like me.

I want to make comics, but also center on character design, so any help there would be grand.

>>3344894
Is this your step by step process?

>>3345108
Not him but I want to make cool animu characters and cool backgrounds, how tough is the journey ahead? Unless they're both linked? I'm ready and willing to grind and grind

>>3345119
Jesus

How am I going?

>>3345138
It depends

Is it a deconstruction study or a life drawing

New to digital art, really want to get into painting but I have a hard time with color and shadow, I haven't applied some of the recent knowledge I've gained like 50% ratio for shades, or sticking with painterly strokes, but I'm working on it. Any advice would be very much appreciated!

>>3345145
Try this >>3344129

>>3345124
yep, doesn't need to be charcoal, just something to make bigger and more variable marks. because gesture drawings are simple a bigger percentage of the information is in the line.

>>3345152
Thank you very much, I will definitley check it out

>>3345140
Deconstruction of a study, I wanted to understand anatomy a bit more.

>>3345159
Is going kinda ok then

You should try to identify the bones and simplify their overall shape in things easy to draw

Like the pelvis into a butterfly like shape

>>3345170
thanks anon, I'm going to try right now.

I'm at a dead end and I've only taken my first step. Where do I start? I've got two hours a day I could easy spend time drawing, but I'm at a legitimate loss as to what to do. Do I draw upside down Picasso sketches for two hours a day, seven days a week? Draw circles and straight lines? I wanna get good but my autism is too intense for me to be able to start without making a solid schedule of what I have to do.

>>3345145
this thread's for beginners
GET THA FUCK OUTTA HEEEEEEAAAAAA

>>3345230
A lot of gesture

I recommend you do draw-a-box (https://drawabox.com/)) and quick sketching with ron husband http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=ACB9B6D54783ABEC7E04E7850728BC3C

Maybe keys to drawing first if you want to get serious and not just sketching

>>3343683
just make it look exactly like your ref

Ok, how's this lighting?

>>3345245
Nice scales

>>3345245
non-existent

>>3345248
How do you mean?
I tried to add light to the thinner parts in respect to one of two light sources.

still trying to learn anatomy
goddamnit it's hard, at least i feel i'm doing something better than months ago

who /100 circles and 100 boxes a day before actual practice/ here

>>3345312
its nice, but try to simplify more, it will help you remember the form and understand it better. your outline right now is pretty chicken scratched. hands and arms are looking good. legs are starting to get a little sausage like, so look out for that and try to really capture the knee/connection between the thigh and the lower leg to really get a feel for it.

>>3345119
knowledge isnt knowledge if you dont know how to apply it.

this comes from a guy that used to spend more time watching tuts than actual painting.

>>3344553
dont use a "hair"/ stipple brush for the hair, unless you are using it limited. if you are just splattering it all the over the hair, it just comes off as a very linear brush stroke and doesnt say hair at all. use the same brush that you did for the rest of the painting.

>>3344168
looks like a 3d model. not sure if thats good or bad. nice hair texturing tho.

>>3345330
Thanks anon. I should definitely improve my lines. I should also focus on legs, I haven't really grasped the shape.

>>3342824
No expert, but I myself can't bend my foot that far towards my leg, more of a 90° angle.
Might be just me though

>>3345255
not same guy, but you darkened everything, including the "light"...add brighter colors or it'll look dimly lit

>>3345108
I want to make manga and animations. Plz still be here anon

>>3345364
Well, I though the contrast was too big with undimmed light after I made the ice darker. Besides, it's not supposed to be very bright.
Is this really better? This is the original lighting.

>>3345366
>>3345127
>>3345124
Reposting, 1/4:

>>>>>>Comics & cartoons, Mango & animo:

>Quick sketching by Ron Husband
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=ACB9B6D54783ABEC7E04E7850728BC3C

>The Drawing Club: Master the Art of Drawing Characters from Life (Cartooning & Artstyle)
vk
.com/doc4043932_329144763?hash=7c19274efcddc67c45&dl=c1c608c23c0e8499bd

>Simplified Drawing for Planning Animation by Wayne Gilbert
vk
.com/doc4043932_437679501?hash=bdb02b11253d057d8d&dl=9b2c374fcf83aa3387

>Force: Dynamic Life Drawing for Animators, Second Edition
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=89C980B232A1B1E48738FDA21E2B132F

If you really want to go the extra mile to activate your inner Tenggen Toppan Gurren Loomis:

>Directing for Animation - Bancroft, Tony
vk
.com/doc4043932_437681567?hash=50ff39bdb8327f23d8&dl=49f4bbbce14294c789

>Animation Writing and Development, From Script Development to Pitch
vk
.com/doc4043932_347488237?hash=06beee7a9c32faad70&dl=dcd6593966d4ae9e21

>The Art of Layout and Storyboarding
vk
.com/doc4043932_333536852?hash=bc22b3679b1692415d&dl=2258fba5dc77bdabb5

This drill will pierce the heavens tier:

>The Animator's Survival Kit, Expanded Edition by Richard Williams
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=31314F3A97AF9EFB151C0D8A081F463E

>>3345385
>>3345366
>>3345127
>>3345124
Reposting, 1/4:

>>>>>>Paneling, comics & manga:

>Scott Mcloud:
-Making Comics:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=2A49FF5A214EECFEE4C5DF15CE385C96
-Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=AC76068A58B35B3E9ABD54948DFF4D8A
>Composition and framing:
-Framed ink:
vk
.com/doc4043932_437240565?hash=969fb596980d1f122f&dl=561057a5be92b88b91
-/a/ lesson on spacing:
m.vk
.com/wall366484900_35

>Reading flow:
https://youtu.be/lIIA6QDgl2M
https://youtu.be/jJK7oysHoMw
https://youtu.be/MYtz2ZhKxFE

>Pacing:
-PANELING, PACING, & LAYOUT IN COMICS & MANGA:
https://lilrivkah.livejournal.com/168859.html
https://lilrivkah.livejournal.com/169915.html

>Common effects for particles, strokes and lighting used in comics and manga:
-Expressive Sketching (Colored CG Tutorial Series), Character Texture presentation:
vk
.com/doc366484900_459259147?hash=90bae477ccd23c27fb
-Pen and tone techniques:
vk
.com/doc366484900_459257741?hash=e7bfd4d166ba68ce65

>Digitally drawing comics:
-The DC Comics Guide to Digitally Drawing Comics:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=8CCDC06C2974596A5FF12B5FFDB1121C

>Just a general guide for more tips n structions n stuff:
vk
.com/topic-4918594_27696136?post=19578

>>3345389
I mean 2/4

>>3345389
>>3345366
>>3345127
>>3345124
Reposting, 3/4:

>>>>>>PEN & INK LEARNING

>The Illustrators Guide to Pen and Pencil Drawing by harry borgman
vk
.com/doc366484900_459256347?hash=9e07c3ab6a07736c10

>Pen & Ink Techniques by frank lohan
vk
.com/doc366484900_459256578?hash=de55020db4d1cc2852

>How to Draw Manga Vol 30: Pen & Tone Techniques
vk
.com/doc366484900_459257741?hash=e7bfd4d166ba68ce65

>Claudia-First Steps Drawing in Pen and Ink
vk
.com/doc366484900_459257910?hash=299d9ce5eb7b92eb6d&dl=eb2e90de72dc092778

>Expressive Sketching (Colored CG Tutorial Series), Character Texture presentation
vk
.com/doc366484900_459259147?hash=90bae477ccd23c27fb&dl=1ee39ca87de5c22bf3

Optional:
>Arthur L. Guptill - Drawing with Pen and Ink
gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=1c09122efbceca77067d211155a71de6
> Susan E. Meyer, Martin Avillez, How to Draw in Pen and Ink
vk
.com/doc4043932_344849711?hash=7cb26af65ce1935b22&dl=fef1daf40c00351bad

Arms & Armor Pictorial Archive. a Book perfect for A master study or Inspiration:
vk
.com/doc366484900_459379723?hash=3b93b6c252ac42e79e&dl=f3aa8f041397da2161

PS: you will quickly notice that these books focus their subject in 1 specific subject, like harry borgman focuses on mixing media and "Expressive Sketching (Colored CG Tutorial Series), Character Texture presentation)" focuses on particles and strokes. READ The entire collection as a whole rather than thinking "oh I'll read this book and fuck guptill". No, that's a misguided asumption. My recommendation would be to read the Guptill guide to pen and ink and then use the books in this list to build on his techniques. (guptill http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=1c09122efbceca77067d211155a71de6 )

PSS: Pen & Ink books seriously fucking suck stand-alone

>>3345385
>>3345389
>>3345393
4/4
And at last, this great fucking thread about charatcer design /ic/ had:
>>/ic/thread/S2689852

Sorry for the long ass posts

>>3344351
>>3344301
Thanks

>>3344343
So it is for idiots?

>>3345427
t.

>>3345429

Any suggestions, especially on the coloring method?

>>3344189
>>3344256
well ive continued a bit to design this character, and i tried to fix a little the eyes on the front view (but not knowing what was actually wrong, as anon never replied :x )
not sure about the profile view tho, i can feel that alot of things arent alright.
your POV anons please?

>>3344956
Taking a figure drawing class at the moment, and our teacher is having us go through/apply Force; I honestly think it needs to be earlier in the list, either before or after Figure Drawing For All It's Worth; it teaches the general flow of figure drawing, where to put your attention before you care as much about details/anatomy, and it's a quick read that carries a fair bit of applicable information.

>>3345449
His hat looks like it's cutting off part of his head in profile.

>>3345452
Does your class focus on gestures too?

third post today
i really hope i'm not annoying anyone
i'm trying to focus more on imagining bones and trying to have a cleaner line, but I really love this sketchy vibe I have, is it still considered chicken scratching?

>>3345449
download some anime artbooks, learn actually anatomy. shitty ms paint mouse paintover but learn construction of the head from something like the reilly method or loomis. you made the lower third of her face jut out immensely. you've already done the work setting out landmarks from the left side, trace over guidelines from the head-on so that the features will match up in profile.

>>3344980
Thanks Anon, what you said inspired me so much. Especially the part about average work ethic and counting hours. This is on my notepad now.

>>3345454
>his
well, shit, another problem to fix, considering it's actually supposed to be a grill
and thx for the highlight, gonna try to redo the head shape

>>3345468
Try thickening the eyelashes to make it look more like a girl.

>>3345449
stop drawing anime-esque art this instant. before you draw anime, you must learn the fundamentals. it's like the episode of spongebob where he has to crawl before he can drive

>>3345460
interesting, thx anon, thanks to the lines i see whats wrong way better
i know ive gotta read loomis, but ive got only a few free hours per day that i cant use only to study, even if i really want to

>>3345471
not that anon but LMAO

>>3345476
Nigga you can finish a loomis book in under 40 minutes.
Is everyone on this board having ADHD or below 100 IQ points? Jesus

>>3345481
well, reading only is pointless, drawing along with knowledges acquirement is required to really progress

I am not a beginner, but I am no expert. This is one of the last pieces I have done before I went on almost full hiatus until I have a drawing-tablet.

>>3345482
your values are very weak. the little hole next to the frogs eye for example is very dark, and you made it light gray.

>>3345488
>framed

>>3345482
You should try to be more mindful of measuring the angles of lines. There are a lot of tricky lines that you got wrong enough to mess up the rest of the image because they're at a deceiving angle in relation to what's around them. Slow down more, use your fingers or stylus to compare angles to something like hours/minutes on the face of a clock. Also a form like this lets you block out some 3d geometry for an easier time.

>>3345487
You can read/skim over most of it and truly dedicate your time to the important pages which you'll be redrawing for years to come until you internalize it. When you need to study something more specifically you'll come back to it. You have more time than you're willing to spend but probably wasting it in other ways.

>>3345488
>i am not a beginner
>framed, signed coloured pencil drawing on newsprint

>>3345488
Surely you are not serious?

>>3342807
I never have painted a car previous to this painting. Any tips

>>3345488
nigga what the fuck are you doing

>>3345498

I hope you're not serious...

>>3345498
Everything is out of perspective you're relying too much on outline.

>>3345446
Make the metal parts shinier, and the ghost trails less defined maybe.

>>3345380
Now I'm an absolute beginnerfaggot too and I know it's not the style you're going for but I did this as a quick excercise. It might give you some ideas. I'm looking for crits too.

>>3345507 >>3345494 >>3345496 >>3345505

I have no idea of what I am doing. The GF liked it, so I framed it and hung it up for her above the thermostat. I am completely serious. I am not the worst/or best artist out there, and it remains one of my only framed pieces that I have. I guess I am retarded for doing a frame job?

>>3345507
Why

>>3345514
It's just wow I don't want to be a dick but it's bad. What are those, crayola colored pencils? It honestly doesn't seem like you tried. I'll have to at least include some constructive criticism, if you're going to use colored pencils you need way more layers to get coverage. But even before that you need to jump back to fundamentals.

>>3345509
Any tips on how to fix that I definitely agree about the perspectives I've just been trying to practice landscapes

>>3345512
This looks great, thanks.

>>3345521
Google 1-point perspective

>>3345519
That is fair. you CAN say its bad. I'm not trying to swing my dick in the wind or something, and honestly, I have no idea what brand of pencils i used, all I know is that they were not crayola, and in fact were an even shittier brand.

I'm a better model painter if anything, but I don't know if that is really considered art.

>>3345531
Well, I can say your model painting seems pretty good. I wouldn't use anything below say Prismacolors personally. It really matters, but honestly, hit the basics, check the sticky and all that and don't give up.

>>3343107
great line quality

>>3345514
Please answer these 2 questions: Are you even old enough to post here and for how long have you been into drawing?

>>3345546
Im 22, so yes, I am old enough to post here.

I don't really know. I have been at least doodling stuff all my life.

>>3345514
Holy shit you are actually serious

You disregard every single rule of perspective, even the horizon line, one of the basic rules of drawing

seriously, read the sticky

>>3345459
To get a sketchy look, have your lines imply shade and follow the form or texture as well. Haphazard lines are what make it look chicken scratch

>>3345512
The white lines look a little weird

all blurry and all over the place

>>3345640
good points, thanks

What the hell am I doing wrong here? Trying to get that smooth transition like the right apple.

cgpeers is dead right? who's his successor?

>>3345680
color pick the in between greys, use lower flow

This is crap and I hate it. Nothing ever fucking looks right.

>>3345696
just fix the proportions on the body and youve got something workable

the 3/4ths face is done for, just start over with that

if anyone is willing, could you point out whats ugly in my "style" or wrong in my anatomy? i know my anatomy definitely needs work but i don't know where to start with it. thank you in advance

>>3345720
Too tumblr-ish. The face looks like it's supposed to be intentionally ugly, or "unique". If you like it, you really shouldn't listen to any of us, but if you want to make something appealing, consider changing some features, or at the very least, study art that's appealing to you.

>>3345722
is there something specifically unappealing about it? should i go more for something realistic?

>>3345720
it's too early for you to be working on a "style". learn to draw realistically.

>>3345720
>>3345731
If you don't undertand basic fundies, how do you expect to understand stylization?

"muh style" is something that comes not something you develop intentionally.

read this:
>The Drawing Club: Master the Art of Drawing Characters from Life (Cartooning & Artstyle)
vk
.com/doc4043932_329144763?hash=7c19274efcddc67c45&dl=c1c608c23c0e8499bd

>>3345781
>>3345762
thank you so much!

>>3345696

It just takes time man. Your gestures aren't too bad on the right there. I can see you're trying to learn the right stuff, you just aren't there yet. It just takes years of drawing everyday, the more you do it, the faster you get there. Fastest way to improve where you're at is to study better people's drawings, so get a bunch of different figure construction books and just copy out all the pictures. Do that on top of gestures, do a ton of quick sketch for heads and figures, do a ton of finished studies, study individual features like noses, eyes, study the planes of the face, etc. Just do a mountain of all that and more.

Don't worry about how good you are now, worry about how much effort you're putting in, and you'll get there.

>>3345798
no homo but this is probably the kindest thing anyone has said to me on this board in two years and it means a lot to me. thank you for the instructions

Any guide for drawing grass ?

>>3344754
You can start with basic shapes and fill it in. Otherwise, just keep drawing. Art is a grind because you're trying to beat yourself into doing something the body isn't used to.

Also, I like how your drawing makes him look like a monkey.

>>3345811
Life drawing.

>>3344754
1. FYI you are symbol drawing. Take a look at the picture at the ESSENTIALS section at the start of every Beginner thread.
2.Getting every detail is not the goal for quicker drawings. Its to help you get better by forcing you to condense what you see into a representation quickly, keeping only the most important parts.

>>3345489
>>3345491
Thank you for the tips

>>3345491
What do you mean by "block out some 3d geometry"? I try to do this according to ctrlpaint video about values:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/sketching-value

>>3345355
I got up and just did this pose.

>>3345720
You have a V-point right infront of your eyes.
Draw a straight line between the knees and see where the line is pointing to.

>tfw not even /beg/-tier and probably never will be

I hope you're all proud of the skill level you've achieved. I know you're probably a long way from where you want to be, but don't forget to appreciate the progress you've already earned.

>>3346161
Pretty sure the is not tier below /beg/.

also, just draw alot of stuff for a while ur surpass this bread within no time.

>>3343220
>>3343223
>>3343225
>>3343227
>>3343229
any other anons have any crits before i post more bullshit? or before this thread dies?

>>3345488
You actually framed that

Started reading Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing book today, how do these look? top are 1~2min, bottom is 3~4min.
Sorry for the horrible quality, had to change the levels in the image otherwise it was too hard to see the lines.

im new to landscapes and oil paint but wot u thonk my nibbas

>>3346240

I don't know shit about painting, but I like it. Reminds me of Ross paintings. But christ my man, what is that lighting? Did you use the flash on a camera or just have a light pointing directly at it? Half of it is blocked out by glare.

>>3346264
That's the first thing I thought too.

>>3346277
>>3346277
>>3346277

>>3346277
>>3346277
>>3346277

>>3346277
>>3346277
>>3346277

>>3345626
thanks anon. i'll work on this.

>>3346270
yeah i used flash bc u couldnt even see it w/o it mang