/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3336470
People have larger foreheads than that.
But also learn your fundies first.

What can I work on here? Trying to use ecchi 2komas to get better at various poses.

Any tips? Also posting from phone, so whoops for the image flip

>>3336477
Thanks, didn't realize people would see the post from the old thread.

>>3336479
agh, my neck

>>3336477

It's stylize forehead can be whatever you want.

>But also learn your fundies first.

Please elaborate? Or better list the important fundamentals?

>>3336590
Not that guy, but I feel like "fundamentals" or "basics" is pretty easy to read. Only thing I could say is that he could've been more specific on what to progress on

How long should it take for me to learn copy what I see? Should I try drawing from imagination at all before becoming realiably decent at copying?

>>3336626

Depends how much you practice. It takes years to get really good at, but you'll still have to try if you want to get there, so it doesn't really matter anyway. Just do your best and you'll see improvements every so many months.

Some teachers recommend that you don't draw from imagination until you're good, but I think it's fine. Just don't neglect practice in favor of doodling or you'll get stuck in a rut.

>>3336479
Is that a dude?

>tfw you still can't find a working mega with designDoll 4.0.0.9 keygen

why cant I draw cute girls

>>3336752
Yeah, I'm not that good so I was relying heavily on context

>>3336590
See >>3336626 and >>3336705

>>3336754
You rush too much. It looks fine but messy because you rushed.

>>3336705
What exactly is the alternative to drawing from imagination? Real life? What if I want to eventually draw in more of a manga/comic style?

>>3336776
Drawing from a reference.

>artrage doesn't has the option to disable pressure sensitivity

>>3336856
it does tho...

>>3336856
How exactly?

>>3336883
fuck meant to>>3336869

>>3336886
really nigga? u want me to reinstall that shit to show you? give me 10 mins i have to dig up my product key

>>3336887
Not really, I looked at the preferences and saw nothing, I searched online and all I saw was some admins talking about how you can't disable sensitivity.

>>3336890
thats funny cause i found it in less than a second

>>3336906
Except you still can't disable the sensitivity on that menu

>>3336916
?? what you can, you just click the x and it removes it from the brush

Picture is without reference or study, and its not that great, but I am wondering if it is passable in terms of anatomy and contour. also, I have been going back to the basics of 3d shapes and perspectives using drawabox, what should I focus on after or with that?

>>3337077
>>3332968

>>3337085
Those arent muscles, they are planes with contour lines.

>>3337085
thank you for the advice anyways though.

Did i capture the likeness?

>>3337115

>>3337115
Thought it were her gums showing instead of it being a upper lip.

>tfw no spoiler

>>3336586
lel

What can I do to make the ear more earlike ?

>>3337077
Your eyes are not sitting in sockets and neck connects a little bit too low from back. You can feel your own neck by hand and notice it connects almost at eye level.

>>3337077
Probably, u can use academy heads like this:
https://sketchfab.com/models/89d04f65d9e44d76aeb9c8c46840c51e
This is a very important 3d feature which teaches artists to understand the structure of our head.
But in ur case, this picture has some problems.

What should I learn?

>>3337293
Unironically loomis.

>>3337293
refine your skull

>>3337293
To draw.

>>3336464
Watercolor paint
Any tips

>>3336464
Watercolor paint

Already posted it in the progress thread but since I'm starting with expressions, do you have any good references/videos/tutorials on how to approach expressions ?

>>3336464

Is this place as shit as it was last year?

>>3337394
For water spread your initial stroke from bottom to top to simulate sunlight penetrating the water. Those thick lines on top should not be so dark if light is coming from the sky. The toughs of waves should just be dabs of watered-down paint: highlights of turquoise (yellow?) and white. Reserve thick white strokes for crests.
Make your fish a different color than the water, draw it in perspective (top and port side visible), and make it larger. It could be better used by filling the space between the viewers and the feet, or the space between the mountains and the feet.
The rocks in the foreground aren't needed, but if you want to make them interesting you could add features such as corals and shellfish. You could also shade those rocks with a gradient starting dark at the bottom and lighter at the top. Apply dark strokes the bottom and wash them upward. The colors in the sky could be blended more.
Distort the feet. The distortion of objects reaching through the water is affected by the distance between the horizon and the meniscus of the body. Pic related.
Other: Wait for paint to dry before applying top layers of white. Instead of showing that the feet are underwater using the waves in the foreground, draw a flat dark meniscus. Fill the background landmasses with vegetation or crags. Make the tree in the background mean something. Add another tree on the right? Discolor the background with grey washes to simulate air particles.

>>3337402
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=55973233

>>3337441
Thank you so much!!!

>>3337402
you've been drawing far too long to still be chicken scratching

>but none of it's finished yet

Judge plz

>>3337459
Thanks ! I cannot understand anything but the drawings speak for themselves.

>>3337606
What do you mean ?

>>3336464
How much do I have to practice to be able to draw good porn. I want to be noticed by shadman-senpai

>>3337645
>shadman
>good porn
It's amazing that after all these years he still doesn't know how to draw tits or asses.

>>3337652
I agree his porn is cartoony, but that's the joke right?
I just want him to notice me

>>3337653
the joke is that he's fucking garbage you newfaggot

>>3337661
Kinda nice, it could use some fine ass nose wrinkles or neck details, aside from that, possibly the outer earlobe in his left ear.

>>3337653
Shadman is trash, get higher standards you brainlet. Don't kneel down to mediocre artists.

>>3337653
The joke is your taste.

I can get an S3 Tablet for $300. Now I already am getting a tablet for around 200 for media consumption and a few other things.

But it's only 10" - is that too small to start on for digital? It's got the active stylus, etc.
Or would it all still work just fine because I really can't use paper at work without getting odd looks. The tablet works fine, though

>>3337281
Thanks for the advice!
I definitely see the issues there and ill work on them going forward. eyes are something that I am very weak on, and I am unsure on how to improve. My biggest weakness isn't understanding the underlying shapes (for the eyes), its understanding how to effectively use lines to communicate those shapes in my linework. How can I improve on that?

>>3337288
I will look into that and do a couple of studies on them anyways, if you think it will help.

How to improve this?
She's suposed to be in a plank position but lifting her ass
Also I know the upper buttcock lines shouldnt be there but I dont know what to put there instead to imply the position

>>3337754
draw the underlying construction before making the image, it looks like you are just drawing the outline of the body as you see it instead of the forms its made of.

>>3337758
wrong image.

>>3337760
I draw a little of construction for the hips but I didn't know how to draw the spine in that bended over position
Also, do her shoulders and head look ok?

Not very good but at least I'm having a lot of fun (sorry if its flipped)

>>3337402
why black hair on your avatar? i thought you were going for white hair in your sketches?

is this course worth the $10 (20 without the ad link)? right now im just learning through youtube videos, twitch streams, and other free shit.

>>3337766
if the spine is vertical, it is flat with curves for the head connection. the issue here as well is the connection of the muscles, how they are placed, and what the muscles are. Study the muscles around the neck and shoulders to see how they connect. also perspective basis will help.

>>3337774
Acrually I'm glad that it's not good, I'm seeing every spots that I should have fixed/done better easily. Next time's gonna be better Shit's satisfying even though I draw like shit!

>>3337784
Ok ok
Thank you a lot

Feels good to just unwind..

>>3337784
please never redline

>>3337784
raw chicken

>>3337784
lmao

>>3337784
Str8 outta frigde.

>>3337774
Hell, despite the visible mistakes it looks kinda nice.
I especially like how evenly you put pressure without making it bland.
Keep up the good work, quite promising.

>>3337798
That's cool.

>>3337847
Thanks, took a while to get a feeling for the brush.

>>3337469
>>3337631
no problemo

How's your loomis going?

>>3337608
Read fun with a pencil

>>3336754
You have no fundies

I tried. Am I in the right track?

Also, can someone post a good hard brush setting for sai paint?

>>3337946

looks pretty accurate, you missed some slight detail with the arm on the left and how it's connecting. The shading looks like it was all done with a soft brush, giving the painting a feeling of being very digital, it could do with a little bit of texture. Keep going though anon, good work.

>>3337777
Why so ?

>>3337946
Too smooth

Also you should have done a sketch for the entire body instead of limb by limb

>>3337434
Not as shit as your anatomy

>>3337115
Define capture

>>3338011
i think white hair would seem more iconic than black hair, its just my preference though

>>3338023
>>3337990
I don't have much practice in making stuff textured, any tips? I used a waterbrush but disliked the result, so I blended everything and also used a bit of airbrush.

>>3337744
10" for me is small. For roughly $100 more for your money. Look for other tablets, but if money is tight buy what you can.

here my attempt at memeheads. Im bad anons

>>3336754
Yeah, you need to better understand where things go. There isn't a define shape of her head, ears are small, neck doesn't look connected. I'm not a big anime guy, but look up on YouTube for MikeyMegaMega. You have a long way to go.

Posting a wip, not sure if I'm learning a ton, but this is my second serious attempt with colored pencils, I feel like I'm learning about how to blend them pretty well.

>>3337115
no. keep trying though

>>3338106
How the fuck do you blend pencil? I can't do it for shit and I have no idea what tutorial I should even follow to learn.

>>3338187
I use a colorless blending pencil, as well as a liquid blending marker, I've heard tortillions work and swear I've seen someone use a q-tip in a video. It's a mix of that and layering.

i'm having a really hard time with perspective and foreshortening.
does anyone have some good videos or image tutorials that could help?
i'm not really looking to make it, i just want to draw for fun, but my dumbass makes it so hard to understand books because i can't SEE the person do it or they don't explain in a way my retarded self can understand.

thank you ahead of time.

>>3337873
Update

>>3338106
Ilya is awesome.

>>3338216

>>3336754
don't draw when you feel like shit. draw when you're calm and focused.

>>3338216
jesus christ, clean those lines...

>>3338222
I know there are more skilled artists out there, but honestly Ilya is one of my favorites of all time. That's why I've been using their paintings to work on learning to use colored pencils.

>>3338297
It's a rough sketch, idiot.

I feel like a one trick pony. Frontal face shots are not too taxing for me but literally anything else is like quantum physics to me.

>>3338216
That's the most chicken scratch on one drawing i've ever seen was half of that even necessary?

>>3338318
Chicken scratch is a meme.

>>3337749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg Great lecture about overall facial structure.

Try to download an asaro head images, and redline them yourself on paint. See how you would naturally place the lines on planes.

>>3338325
Not in that case.

>>3338315
read the fucking sticky

>>3338309
then finish it so we can properly critique it, faggot

>>3335051

More Rapid Viz stuff.
Exercise 12: Draw a box with the given proportions (Tall x Wide x Deep) basically the same as exercise 7 from this post >>3335632 but with less ruler.

>>3338571
Exercise 13:The book gives you a 3d view of two objects:Table and the sort of chair without legs. You need to turn it into a sort of an orthographic view. I also drew a cupboard to practice turning 3d objects into orthographic view and in turn using the orthographic view to turn the object into perspective view.

>>3338571
>>3338600
Jeremias you've been doing this same shit for a year

MOVE
ON
THIS
IS
YOUR
COMFORT
ZONE

>>3338532
Hello dear, would yuo kindly show pics with clean lines and is also not shit? thank u come again,

>>3338600
And finally exercise 14 was a reverse from E13. You need to turn a orthographic top/front/side view into perspective view. I tried my best to show the 2d views in top left.

>>3338604
Hey anon, I am not learning perspective anymore, dun worry. I am trying to learn product design and the first lessons are perspective oriented, but the book will move on soon to other subjects. Thanks for whipping me on even after the death of las, you are good dude.

Just a shitty doodle really, but critique me anyway. Also, sorry for shitty scan

>>3338297
>>3338318
>>3338609
i only have one clean but still shit, i kind of like all those scratchs, dunno why so i do many and leave the draw at just that point. also feel like i ruin it when i try to clean it :/

Flower study with no traditional practice. I’m struggling with where to go from here. Start at the basics or move onto intermediate studies?

>>3338066
Ah it's fine, she will remain black haired tho. You prefer white maybe because of the monogatari series ?

>>3338666
>hail Satan
it looks good anon, only thing i can really say at my low level is dont hide the hands and try not to chickenscratch on your "first draft" sketches. even if you find it appealing, its fucking apalling here.

>>3338328
>tfw non english speaker

Any help please,

is ahmed /beg/?

>>3338213
Looks better anon. Compare this one to your last post. Bolder colors, more range of values. I know certain thing can’t be changed by painting over this one. However, one thing you could do with o improve this further is to reflect the colors of the sky unto the surface to f the water. Pic related.

>>3338732
He's drawthread tier

waah

>>3338732
Slightly better than /ic/. Normal considering he's a professional.

>>3338732
Doing that >5 mins while standing and with no backboard is actually pretty impressive. He could probably do Obama portrait tier stuff if he spent enough time.

>>3338743
<5*

Here's my new anime idea.
It's called Happy Sundrop Girl.
Does it need more Loomis?

>>3338732
Looking good Ahmed
We should recluit him, if we recommend him ron husabnd he could activate his inner gigga nigga and become one of the /ic/ captains

There was this website I had bookmarked long ago where you could run through different gesture references, all of which were set on a steadily increasing timer. It's not the quickposes site that's listed with the OP but I can't for the stink of me remember it's name. Anyone know the website I'm talking about?
Also heres a sentaiboy for you all to pick on me with

How to ink like Jack Kirby?

>>3338804
lmao wrong pic still need that site tho

>>3338740
>deditated wam

Trying out gestures, Im still not sure If I'm getting the concept.

>>3337782
it's pretty good for setting you on the rigth track,it's not magic..but it's surerly a lot more streamlined than scrambling lessons from site to site

>>3338086

You don't need texture (at this stage anyway), you need hard edges. Too much blending and airbrush make things muddy. Painting is a mix of value and edges. You've got value, but you've got no edges.

I'm practicing advanced lighting and highlights. Why is my shading so ugly? Or is this acceptable for a beginner? 1/2

>>3338916
2/2

>stop practicing construction and perspective even though I'm still shit at those
>start practicing values/rendering because they're more fun

Motivating myself to study the things I should study is hard :(

Where are my fuck ups?

>>3338922
I am a beginner as well do my feedback is worthless but I think this is really neat and love the brass and bullish horns coming through the hat :)

>>3338931
Thanks anon

Thoughts so far? Does the hand look bad? Is it terrible?

>>3338922
her skirt looks a bit weird to me. but i think its good in general. good work!

>>3338922
very kawaii desune, are you going to color it?

>>3338940
oh my god no no no hahaha what the fuck are those weird pointy tits holy shit, /beg/ artists drawing fetish art will never stop being fucking funny holy shit

>>3339025
You never heard of missile tits?

>>3339025
not the anon you were replying to, but mind elaborating? i can't see anything besides maybe lack of depth in the left side of the torso and shoulder

>>3339025

I haven't finished rendering them, so they'll probably look better once they've got a bit more form. I was mostly just concerned with the hand, the pose, or general issues. I don't think I've ever seen somebody so upset with pointy boobs before.

>>3339029

Thanks, I'll try to get more definition in there

>>3337774
Not a fan of how this one turned out BUT I learn every time I do these.

>>3339048

You want to avoid having a line or too hard of a transition around the lips, it's a soft sort of transition in tone from the skin to the lips. Same with the nose, the lit side should have very soft tone. The dark side of the nose has that chunky core shadow, it should be a bit softer of a transition or it flattens it out.

Try to find breakdowns of how to do each feature, and do studies of those. You really want to focus on learning the 3D structure of each thing, and how you describe it with tone. Like eyes, lips nose, skull, hair, etc. Work on each individual thing along with doing whole portraits. Take a look at figure construction books people recommend like Hampton and Loomis. Bridgman is a little stylized but I like his stuff a lot. Look at the Asaro head too and try drawing that, you want to memorize those planes.

I find it's easier to learn how to render (shading) by doing still life too, cause people are so complicated to draw, so try putting some fruit under a lamp, or even something as simple as a kleenex box. Keep up the good work and keep having fun.

Trying to practice values and color, pretty rough with detail excluded for now, and I realize I have made a crucial mistake of starting with lights to dark, but im working with it, any thoughts on my values or color tips for the future would be much appreciated

>>3339059
I've tried construction before drawing these portraits but I guess should do it much more seriously before rendering. I try to work on figures and shapes alongsides these portraits but I'm definitely gonna experiment more. Thanks for the advice!

What steps do you take to learn how to "break down" an actual picture of a person? What I mean is, for example, If I were to look at a photo of a woman in some kind of pose, what would I do to learn the process that I would use to break down drawing her into parts, like figure out how I would draw the three boxes bridgman describes of the head, torso and pelvis that would make the posing of the actual person.

Hey guys can I get some critique on this?

>>3338918
>>3338916
3/3

Started trying to learn this year, I think this is my best art so far. Thoughts? Criticism?

>>3339177
That said, I want to make clear that I used a model for that one, drawing just from my imagination + construction made me create this one. I can tell its shit.

>>3339075

You're kind of going into detail already so it's a bit hard to do now, but maybe in future try to stick with larger brushes and economize your strokes. He's gotten a bit stringy now, but the forms still don't read quite as well as they could. Even when you get towards detail try to be a bit more painterly with your approach, and don't pick away at stuff with a hard little brush. Focus more on your large forms reading really well because that's always more important than any details.

>>3338829
lmfaoooooo

>>3338916
>>3338918

Really take your time with pencil shading, it's something that just takes a a long time to work up properly. Make sure you've got a good range, from a low H to an 8B. Even then it can be hard to work up to a good dark. Don't get too strokey with it, just lightly build it up in layers with the side of the pencil, do one layer, go at with a different direction on the next to cover strokes.

Lightly draw the shapes of your shadows so everything is organized nicely before you start to render. Start with the core shadow, which is where it transitions. That's the darkest part and it generally gradates out from there. Look up pictures of a sphere where it shows you everything like the core shadow, the different mid tones, reflected light, specular light, all that shit.

Look up edges and study that. There are hard edges, soft edges, and inbetween. You can have something look good with all hard edges if you tile planes well, but go too soft and you get mud. Gotta learn where to put what kind of edge, how to balance them, etc. The number one thing is just patience. Just work on one drawing and really slowly try to build up a clean tile of a single value, or a gradation.

>tfw fucking hate grinding fundies
>regressed from shaded paper/pencil to just pure lineart on mspaint
its time to give up

>>3339121
absolutely ngmi, maybe writing is more your speed lmao

>>3338922
Neck's a bit giraffey, innit? Her left leg is rather skinny compared to the other, but the foot's a nice size, you might want to shrink the left foot to match.Her hands are also a tad small, with her arms overall being short compared to her slightly long legs. One of those sticks pointing out of that rod thins too much at the top.
Gotta commend that linework, though.
>>3339177
>>3339179
Fufu, it's nostalgic. An air of 2000s-decade teen weebs.
Your biggest issue is proportion- your forearms/hands are midget-sized compared to the rest. It's a common problem for people starting out, though.
You seem to draw what you've seen rather than understanding the process with intent. When you use a (hopefully good) reference, you shouldn't just look at it, but examine how each line and body part harmonizes.
>>3339121
you could

>>3339328
*shrink her right foot, the left foot to the viewer.

>>3338922
I feel the lineart is way too thin

>>3339179
>>3339177

Just sketched this too, I loathe it. But my biggest issue is that besides the bad lines I cant really see where did I exactly fuck up (the eyes? everything? how?). That said, I have some hopes that this is just the result of my inexperience with construction and that in a month or two of practice ill get better.

I also dislike the obvious anime inspiration, but well, its just for starters.

>>3339328
Thank you! I did notice the fucked up hands and forearms at least in the second drawing. Ill try to be more analytical when using models next. I didnt completely copy the pose of the model, just started and then changed it a bit to suit my idea.

>>3339187
Thank you! definitely will try to incorporate that!

>>3338315
how do you draw like that, do you not look at her and say, hmm her head just doesn't look human or this doesn't look right. you don't have to be an artist or good at drawing to notice this

>>3339336
Same guy. Tried to crap together something helpful but wound up feminizing it a bit much. The things to point out are:
>pupil size mildly uninviting
(inverse is girlishly inviting big ones on mine)
>lower/elongate the nose
(thin and long is more graceful, but wide can still be done)
>your facial features were on a tilt to be downward, but the head position wasn't contributing to the effect, making it off
>your ear's rather small. (mine could be considered too big though lol)
remember the idea that it starts right about where the corner of the eye is
>your head seems a bit chubby compared to shoulders, so thinned it out
(though by pinching the chin too much and defining the cheek, you end up with a girl like mine, whereas your girl's face is more reminiscent of a drag queen's)
>neck seems to be craning slightly inward than being a trunk from base
>the line under bottom lip can make a character more manly, you can probably see how the lack thereof contributes to girlishness

In anime-style, more white space is more beauty, while more defined lines in the face makes the character look leagues older.
Hope something of what I've said makes sense for you and helps lol

Starting out, is this decent?

>>3337799
>>3337799
this

>>3337946
also the left side of the body should have more light

>>3338940
people aren't going to care about the size of her hand, anon.

>>3339399
Well, this is incredibly helpful really. You have all my thanks. The design isnt supposed to be completely girlish (she is a battle nutjob) but there is a lot there that I couldnt notice on my own. Particularily the issue with the features downward without the appropiate head position. And the chubby head. And everything.

Thanks again!

should I stick with krita or pirate photoshop?

based on this, where should i start with the fundamentals? I'm a beginner and i've tried the loomis balls or whatever but they're memey and feel unnatural to draw.

>>3339436
I'd say try constructing the body in parts and making the pose more dynamic (a bit exaggerated maybe) to convey emotion.

>>3337946
Your values are fucked, observe reference more, if you can't see it, use color picker to check.

>>3339336
More definitions and curves in the shape of the face, and practice your eyes more. The features look really blunt and dull in general

hoi anons. doing a birthday present for my mum and for my base I've got I'd say pretty decent water but I want more depth to it as it looks too opaque and/or shallow. how would I go about giving what I have more depth before i add onto it?
>also am i better off taking away or lessenign my pp?
>will post version without pp

>>3339508

>>3336464
I attempted to draw figures from references, i generally have a problem coming up with dymanic poses and good enough anatomy from imagination.
I know they look unnatural, but I don't know what to change in order to make it better.

First draw literally ever and I have zero fundies. Was told to come here for advice from /a/. What do I need to do to improve? I was told to “think more in 3D” but how do I display that?

>>3339542
Honestly don’t even know what I’m doing I’m just hoping other people can tell what I drew

Does anyone have resources for rendering different kinds of fabrics, like sweaters of varying tightness in the knitting? I'm not sure how to approach the different kinds of textures without going crazy in cluttering the rendering.

>>3339542
study the fundamentals that will get you to think more in 3d. form, gesture, proportions, construction, practicing through life drawing... theres a shit ton to work on and if you find yourself stuck, start on you're biggest flaw and work from there.

>>3339401
Too scratchy
make longer strokes with your shoulder

>>3338922
very good

Am I gonna make it bois?
I tried to copy his heads even though he said not to.

>>3339622
you have lots of potential for development

>>3339622
make your own heads at your own angles or there is literally no point

>>3338716

Any help please?

painting is killing me

>>3339622
He says don't "JUST" copy, he didn't say "don't do it". Reading comprehension

>>3339636
>regards ngmi

>>3339200
Thank you for the feedback.

Can anybody post one of those pics that show how hue variation in shadows makes things look better?

Some studies today.

Here is another value study. Tried to add planes to the head but it`s too difiicult yet.

>>3339998
>>3339998
Good, but you should treat a value study less like a 3d model, and differentiate the tones, of the skin, hair, eyes, etc. more. Emphasize your darks more in the hair where the base value is darker then say, your skin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZNZ7ln1Z90&ab_channel=TylerEdlin This is a good video to watch if you need a better explanation.

Do I have to get books or can I just draw a shit ton of from reference images

>>3339940
Pretty good lad

>>3340025
>3d model as in, a mesh without differentiating tones ie an untextured model
My bad, didn't explain that

>>3339733
>>3338716
It's sad your not getting any feedback anon!
desu i like the eyes and the shading, my only problem is the shading is a bit all over the place, but since it looks like a wip you can still fix it!, good luck anon, sorry i couldn't be of more help.

I am trying to draw males with references, but it always ends up looking off.

>>3339763

You're getting there anon. Keep it up!

>>3340110

Gesture. Do gesture until you get it. Do 20 to 30 a day as warm up.

Rate some random dogshit doodle from my notebook.

Hi anons! Is the anatomy good? What should I do to fix it if not?
Also femanons what do you think of the concept?

>>3338743

>drawing what he thinks he sees

No. Unless he start polishing the basics there's no way he can go further than this.

>>3340117

keys to drawing

:)

>>3340115
Thing like this ?

>>3340132

Post your reference

>>3340117

It depends on what you are trying to do here. If you are trying for an attractive natural face, I'd say the nose is the biggest problem, you have these two straight parallel lines that don't look like any kind of human anatomy. The lips have a hard line tracing an area that would be a light pink transitioning smoothly to skin tone. You need to imply that line somehow rather than actually drawing it.

The eyes work well at conveying sadness. It's interesting that you wrote the word "devil" as the face conveys melancholy and sadness rather than evil.

The hair is good as a sketch, but if you intention is to clean this up and color it, you are going to end up wasting most of the effort you've done there.

>>3337946

One head per woman. No more, no less.

>>3340132

The legs strike me as a bit short. Otherwise quite good.

>>3339763

Everybody has to draw... the fat man?

::cries::

>>3340214
>It's interesting that you wrote the word "devil" as the face conveys melancholy and sadness rather than evil.
Nothing so deep was going in my head at the time I sketched this.
I drew on a page with random scribbles on it and the word was in the way so I just played it off as a "tattoo". You'll notice it's drawn with a ballpoint pen.

>>3337245

Good forms, but rather risky on the subject matter. I'd go light on certain details until some musium says you are famous.

>>3340192
My references are from QuickPoses in general, I don't keep them.


>>3340228
Thanks, I did a bit more since then, am I going the right way ?

Meeeh

I am learning how to digital, this is one i am working on right now

Hello /ic/, I am an extreme beginner, as I have been drawing only for a few months. Here's a recent drawing of mine, amd I was wondering what huge mistakes I am making, and how I can remedy them. In addition, based on my mistakes, what drawing book should i purchase, and, possibly related to this post, can anyone explain symbol drawing? Anyway, sorry for the blog post and most likely bad drawing, and have a good day.

>>3340271
not gonna try to save it any more :L

I know, I know. More loomis.

>>3340443
>>3336465

>>3340238

The running pose top right looks like it has a knee bending backwards impossibly. Some of the others have legs that look a bit small. (But just within human possibility.) Bottom right is much better.

thoughts?

How do you approach construction when drawing a known figure with obscured parts? I.e. when drawing from reference and someone's hips are obscured, how do you reconcile that in your construction? Experience?

>>3340528
Part of construction is "drawing through" the obstructing parts. Draw it even if you're going to erase it out later. It's important to make sure your skeleton is sitting right.

I used to try to copy/trace other people's styles, but one day I just let my hand guide itself and this is what came from it
What does this say about my psyche?

>>3340535
Yeah, but how do you know if you got it right?

>>3340541
It means you're into Junji Ito

>>3340542
By using visual measuring and your knowledge of perspective, anatomy, and form.

>>3340542
I've actually never seen his stuff before but I just looked him up, I really dig it. Gonna make for some great inspo
Thanks anon

>>3340547
Not that anon but check out Tomie by Junji Ito that shit is trippy

>>3340549
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely check it out

>sketch and construct foundation, looks pretty good
>create new layer and draw lineart
>hide sketch layer
>looks flat and shitty
How do you make lineart look better?
I end up covering up the shitty lines with colors and shading but I know that I shouldn't make it a habit to hide an area of weakness.

Also, do you guys know any examples of artists who make very good use of line weight? I feel like I have trouble implementing it into my work.

>>3340545
>third pic
oy vey

I just zoomed out after working on her left eye and now she looks like a gremlin, is it going to turn out alright if I add more detail or is there something structurally wrong here?

>>3340845
I don't see any glaring draw issues

The problem is that you're drawing with lines instead of shapes, and you made some of them darker than they are in your reference. Skin isn't white, so the big contrast makes her look old

>>3340845
Post reference

>>3340851
>>3340854
Heres the reference

Can you explain what you mean by drawing with lines? I thought I was doing a pretty good job avoiding symbol drawing etc (except with the eyes, Irises mainly)

is there a main technique for making sure theres a consistent skin color digitally? should I have just covered the skin in a flat color at the start and erased for highlights

>>3340871
put it in greyscale instead of working from color, and paint in your background canvas first at the very least with two tones before workign on your ubsject

>>3339771
>dude just copy Loomis' heads and don't worry about applying his head construction lmao.
I was quite skeptical of this crab meme tbqh but maybe there is something to it.

What's your honest opinion on this "advice" I was given years ago?

>ask for beginner advice from an acquaintance
>"I don't believe in giving advice on drawing because I believe the harder it is to learn the better your personal style will develope."

I don't even care about having a personal style.

>>3340932
I think telling beginners to develop a style is fucking retarded - you need to have a firm grasp of the fundamentals and be able to draw people that look like people before you start exaggerating features.

>>3340933
I've had people tell me I'm unhelpable if I don't want a personal style. Someone else told me that if I'm not drawing to express myself then I'll end up with "just a drawing." What's with these tumblr fags?

>>3340941
>if I'm not drawing to express myself then I'll end up with "just a drawing."
Yeah, see all those fine art renaissance masterpieces?Just drawings; nothing special. Sorry, Michelangelo, but you didn't have enough style!

No but really, that's retarded. In magic mike's time a student who could closely mimic his master was prized. But his master was a forger, and so he made and they sold a fake statue to a duke-and eventually got caught. The master had to pay up twice its supposed worth for his crime, but the duke instead offered Mike a job for making a fake as convincing as his masters's. Or so the story goes.

Personal style is an absolute meme. Pick your favorite artist(s) and study the shit out of their style. You can modify it when you're as good as them.

began loomis fun with a pencil.
I'm not having a lot of fun though, get depressed from the first exercises.

he says things like just add simple facial features and shit but how am i supposed to do that when i dont know how to.

The facial proportions of this WIP still bother me. also I'm having trouble with the right forearm.

I know I don't need to ask here, but be brutal please!

Drawpile session

Why is starting a fresh painting so difficult?
I'm not even doing traditional, but digital so it's not like I'm ruining a perfectly good canvas. Every line I draw just inevitably gets undo'd for 30 minutes.

first drawing since I quit in october
what brushes should I be using, on Krita?

>>3341172
This thread is for beginners my friend.

>>3336464
hey! so, this character is ryo asuka (crybaby design) and he has some fucked up kpop pants and large shirt. i'm having a hell of a time trying to fix his form moreso than his clothes. i was kind of looking for help if possible ; so *constructive* crit is welcome.

>>3341313

I feel like you might get more help in the draw thread as I think this is beyond beginner level. But I'm /beg/ so what would I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

>finish drawing
>notice it's all kinds of fucked up
Anyway, how do I hair?

>>3341166
cute character
face is too big for body or vice versa
chin outline doesnt have much relation to where chin would stick out. learn facial planes
fabric ruffles are too pointy. hat doesn't fit on cranium and looks flat
something about gun against body is wrong in general. get ref
tldr: anatomy

>>3341149
Honestly not a bad start. If you're a noob then stay simple. You want to get that pencil familiar in your hand so draw lots of flowing and smooth lines. And copy. Look at cartoons and faces, eyes and mouths and ears and copy them a lot. You can't add facial details of you don't have any memorized, right?

But mostly copy what you like and do it a lot. It's all about time. "Mileage". That artist isn't better than you at drawing. They've just been doing it longer. And do try not to stress over it too much. That can kill your motivation.

>>3341366
well, shit. thank you for not attacking me for it though.

>>3340117

Bus sketch. I don't know how to finish sketches.

>>3341149
There are two books you're supposed to work through before even touching Loomis, that will help you a lot, please read the sticky for more information.

>>3336464
Was a nice day today, was out and sketched a little. What do you think...

think my porpotions and anatomy might be a bit off.
still like how they turned out though.

So I just recently decided to seriously learn to draw.
I know sharing this doesn't give much to go off of, but I felt like sharing might help me start forming good habits.
I wrote down a list of problems I had with the sketch (which you can partially see cut off on the picture. My sketchbook is bigger than my scanner somewhat.)
A major issue I noticed when doing this was that besides just problems with the drawing itself like the perspective, proportions, etc was that I felt really impatient and rushed a lot when drawing it.
I joined an art class recently where we do a lot of drawing from life, and I noticed that I feel more patient in class than when I was doing this. I also couldn't draw as long overall.
Sorry for the blogpost guys, I just thought it might be nice to share.

>>3341677
Well good luck with he class but if you're after feedback on the drawing, I personally refuse to put in more effort to my post than you did into the drawing, so the best you're getting is a 'get gud, moar loomis'.

>>3341689
Yeah that's fair.

have some animu shit

Have some animu shit

>>3341380

not /beg/ go to draw thread anon...

>>3341166

This
>>3341769

autism
I don't really like sketching so I just keep refining until I think it's ok (or until I get too desensitized to tell the difference)

Does anyone else have an easier time absorbing info from lower skill YouTube videos than from higher skill books? It feels like Gurney doesn't explain in enough detail for my brainlet mind

I suck at shading, ive never got to actually learn how it works. Any tips?

>>3341815
Go

>>3341815
it is not exactly good, but I am very charmed by it.
you clearly spent a lot of time on it, I would recommend grindan fundies and making anatomy gains before going this hard

Anyone have good resources on learning basic perspective?

>>3341677
Bro there's sort of a mental state you need to get into when drawing, I'll spare you the hippie hocus pocus of it but the book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain gets into it a lot. Whether you believe the science of it the experience is correct, when you are in a more patient, observant state of mind you will draw a lot better. Practice on finding that state of mind when you draw, I had a lot of the same experiences you do.

>>3342097
Forgot to add an addendum, I am going to go through loomis, but I am looking for suppliments to that or different techniques for practicing and exercising perspective so I can master it.

reposting here because QTDDTOT is sleeping

>have been drawing from the elbow my whole life
>try to draw with the shoulder as literally everyone recommand
>get my arm sore in less than 10 minutes
How do you do this anons? is it a meme? it's very exhausting

Nobody told me that I had to be /fit/ to make it

>>3342135
pretty sure they mean dont draw with you wrist, rather than only use your shoulder. to avoid chicken scratching.

>>3342135
You're probably just not used to it and introducing strain from not supporting yourself properly. Your hand is going to be getting dirty and touching the paper.

Critique on just the hair would be fine.

As a novice artist I believe the general "drawing since they were a child" artist is unequipped to help beginners. I've asked so many people for advice and they all give the "lol just like DRAW" answer. I honestly think they say this because this is what they did when they were a child. They just drew and enjoyed their shitty stick figures and by the time they reached 18 they had become inherently good because they had been grinding for 15 years but don't know how to explain the process to an adult. "Just draw" is honestly the best advice you can give to a child. But an adult already knows this and needs more information on the basics. The sippy cup works for a child but holds back the adult, if you know what I'm saying.

>>3342365
>Draw something
>Decide what you like or don't like
>Keep doing what you like, discard what you don't

I can’t helo but feel like I’m not improving, some days my drawings look like garbage and others they are pretty good I’m not sure what I’m not understanding

I look back three months and feel like I’m not really improving much.

>>3342086
Thanks. I believe my biggest problem is failing to draw every single thing in perspective. Needs more construction.

how to achieve pic related style, any recommended artist that use this a lot?

>>3342613
Medium-opacity watercolor style brushes and a grain filter. And a lot of technical skill.

Made a quick rough draft to help guide me to finishing an idea I had. I'm looking forward to finishing it to pinpoint my weaknesses, listed many so far, especially facial construction. Ignore that silk shading, I just wanted to see if I could manage getting the texture to be legible.

>>3342385
Do you have anything completed? This looks really nice so far.

>>3336479
I wonder if you're the type of guy to draw that shit
then save it on your pc just so you could burn the original to the ground

This one gave me a lot of trouble, should have done more construction
Time to for some more loomeme figures now
(If its flipped imma shit a brick)

>>3342807
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>>3342385

I think it looks alright, just gotta finish it

I am so fucking disheartened by drawing. No matter how many times I try to practice, nothing works. I cant improve.

I practice faces from photos but they come out like shit, I draw from references but nothing lines up.I've been trying to learn all my life with little to no success and I am on the verge of just giving up forever.

Can someone please provide a picture of their work and a description of exactly what they did to improve. I've watched tutorial after tutorial and nothing works. Please help me.

>>3343318
yo dawg, there is a new thread: >>3342807

idk what skill level ur at, so maybe I'm way worst than u.
but I think what helps alot with progress is general self improvement. for example going to the gym, nofap or even irl job.
idk why but being responsible seems to help alot of people with drawing.

also mileage. stuff like this helps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs