/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3323257
i love RUAN JIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>recently discovered i have an armpit fetish
>keep designing female characters with costumes that conveniently keep her pits exposed
Is this an obscure fetish or something? I can't really find much porn involving pits. I'm glad I took up drawing all those years ago.

>>3323279
>I can't really find much porn involving pits
Try harder.

>>3323257
I'm shit at art.

>>3323315
lol

>>3323289
I said good porn.

>>3323315
For a moment I though there was two people

I've aleady given up trying to save up to go to art school. now I just want a job that can get me out of my shit hole country.

>>3323714
Where do you live?

I'm halfway through my bachelors (thankfully it's basically for free), but I dunno if my art or mental fortitude are good or strong enough anymore to seek a career in art. I'm stuck though, since I'm not sure what I should be doing with my life instead--I'm pretty bad at most things and have little to no job experience.

>>3323654
then for a moment you were spared

>>3323724
Philippines. though in retrospect, there's only 1 relevant art school here that actually produces quality art students who look like they can work for the big studios. it's just that it's insanely difficult to get in and the living expenses are even worse.

an artist I follow has a degree in illustration but ended up working in starbucks. I am both sad and relieved for her

>>3323315
Oh shit.

Try studying anatomy before trying to make full pieces like that.

>>3323257
>get commission from friend of a friend
>$40 background for a YouTube video, pretty comfy
>day 3, balls deep into the project. Friend calls me up saying, “hey anon, my friend doesn’t know how to haggle, can you drop the price? He’s used to paying $10 for art.”
>”I’ll pay the difference”
Thought it was a good idea and he was in a rush, so I took him up on the offer. Immediately felt like my art was being devalued by the client. 10 minute retrospect and I realize how cucked a move that was. Now I’ll be known for getting bargained down to 75% off of what I originally asked for, through proxy no less, after being balls deep into a commission.
>”oh the art? Yeah this anon drew it! He’s pretty good and honestly, you can haggle with him down to like $10, he’s really chill about it”
>mfw

>>3323803
She’s probably shit then

>>3323891
what I take from all this is that the one who isn't very good a haggle is you
maybe if you offered to split it in 2 or 3 payments of 10 bucks a month, he'd had accepted

>>3323896
Just a guess but I think in the end it's not just about pure skill, although that's a decent chunk of it.

>>3323279
Touhou

>>3323891
>workslaving for $10-40
>taking more than an hour at that level
>worried more about your business than the art
>get cucked by your customers
jesus. if you can handle that much dick in your ass you should just learn programming.

People in /ic/ seem to lack any sort of critical thinking skills and it's extremely frustrating.

I quit smoking recently because it was a big part of my art process for years. It was exactly as bad as it sounds.

It's been about six days and I've gotten by kind of, I haven't finished anything but I have been able to draw some. There are some artists who are super straightedge and wouldn't even drink coffee before draw so I felt bad for a couple years and now I'm just stopping.

>>3323279
GBF.

>tfw suddenly out of work for the first time in a year and a half

Luckily I've private commissions to fall back on, but still feels weird man. I'm getting pretty antsy and anxious waiting for offers but as long as I keep active I'll be fine I guess

Clients get nitpicky. No matter how much I charge them per revision, it never seems to make up for the frustration they put me through.

>Recently drew a couple of porn pics of peoples sonic ocs for free
>Whenever I'm finished with a piece I want to try and study anatomy and proportions for a while
>Have a mental breakdown everytime I pick up my books and load up references online so I go back to drawing Sonic oc porn for people
I don't know what to do. I want to get good at drawing but it seems that whenever I try to I get scared and fall back to the familiar. How do I break through these mental barriers and get on the path of actually trying to get good and study?
And another thing:
>Look at an amazing artists work
>Suddenly get filled with nothing but dread and self deprecation to the point were I cry at night
I want to be as good as the ones who made it, but whenever I see their work it demotivates me and makes me hate myself even more than I already do, and on the rare occassion makes me hate the artist as a whole seeing them achieve something that I convince myself at night that I will never be able to do.

If you guys have any suggestions on how to fix one of these problem please tell me because it's tearing my head apart.

>>3323315
i can see you have studied loomis. well done

>>3324036
What did you mean by this?

>>3324081
Inferiority complex. Start lifting and stop being a beta bitch boy. Lifting/looksmaxing helps confidence.

>>3323506
Just use Google Nigga, No one is going to spoon feed porn to your retarded ass.

>>3324081
I'm just like you.

>>3324204
Not him, but I might have that problem. But it's not so much lifting, it's a couple other things. Everyone seems to be moving ahead with life, constantly thinking I am the butt of their jokes even when I'm not around, misreading female signals and automatically assuming its because I'm a deadbeat and they know I'm a deadbeat.

I guess I wish I was more valuable?

>>3324215
>Bla...
into the trash it goes

I fucking hate how I still can't draw hands when I have two of the goddamn things.

>>3324081
I was like you, anon. I drew Sonic porn (even had a Patreon for a minute), but in the back of my mind, I knew I wasn't getting better at anything except drawing Sonic porn. After spending a whole damn day slogging through yet another picture of Princess Sally getting porked, clarity struck: I was tired of drawing Sonic porn. So, I decided to improve my art on a deeper level, thinking for certain that would solve my problems.

Instead, I got frustrated because I wasn't good at "real" drawing, and compared myself to other artists just to make things worse. Older artists were better than me because they hadn't wasted so much time on dumb bullshit, and younger artists were better than me because they were young and already knew they wanted to be an artist. I'd study in my sketchbook, get mad that it wasn't perfect, and then not draw for weeks at a time. This went on for months.

Finally, in a fit of art block frustration, I decided to just copy from a book on my shelf. I read the chapter, copied the drawings, did some studies of my own, then worked from imagination. During this, I realized something: I'm NEVER going to be perfect at anything on my first attempt, but that's true for everybody else. I shouldn't get so upset about it, because if I keep working through my failures and fix my mistakes, eventually I'll feel positive about my art. All I have to do is study, fail, improve, and repeat.

So pick up your books and load up those reference anyway; power through that fear, and remember the only thing stopping you is you. Get out of your own head and draw no matter how it makes you feel. That may sound disingenuous, but I promise I'm being sincere. Failure is scary and shitty, but if you can accept failure as a natural part of learning and just draw anyway, you've taken the most important step towards drawing whatever you want--even Sonic porn.

>>3324081
Dude you gotta stop saying the "draw sonic oc porn for free" before you become a meme

>>3324459
Would probably be the best thing to happen to me.
Maybe not as good as Slobodan Praljak but maybe on the same level as "I recognise that gay blowjob".

Good that you got out of your own way. You made a cognitive shift and that makes all the difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>>3323315

Proportions are the thing that's worst here and it would be a good time to study them almost exclusively for the next small while. Your art should improve a decent amount if you do that.

> have drawn for years
> have never made money off their art
> never will
> will never be recognized or popular for what they do
> have gone into debt over this

Feels bad. I'm not terrible but I'll probably always be in this awkward intermediate state.

>>3323257
>when that one person commissions me and constantly changes what they want half way when I'm done

I wish I had the fucken balls to tell him fuck off but I need the money.

I'm in constant conflict about giving this up. I've been drawing for a while now, and have made some progress but not nearly as much as other people seem too.

I have this growing horror that I'm always going to be mediocre shitshow at best.

Honestly, even if I did 'git gud' I wouldn't have anything really to say with my art. Maybe that's my problem.

>>3323257
>constantly sidetracked by real life problem
>was forced to leave my drawing shit home while I had to spend 4 months across the country
>force myself to relearn fundies
>it's 10 times harder and more fustraiting than when I first learned them
Im starting to not enjoy drawing guys pleas help

>>3324733
pretty much no-one has anything to say with their art at the beginning, that comes through a lot of drawing and seeing what comes out naturally.

>friend asks critique from popular artist
>gets buttmad for the crit he asked
>his own knee-jerk reaction is to throw unsolicited advice at everything
>not sure how we're friends. The tumblr culture is growing strong in him. Current favorite word is "toxic".
>mfw

>>3325166
You are probably way smarter than him

Just bully him a little when he says something stupid.

Or make him spill the soup of the places he browses and shit those places by stiring up drama that splits that comunity or somehting like that

>"So anon, you'd you get so good at drawing?"
>"A-anon?"

>>3323315

>want to post a character i designed for critique on the design
>afraid of people stealing my design
>tfw unironically "OC DONUT STEEL:

>>3323257
>want to make my own comics
>spend several weeks studying the male figure
>looks alright
>can draw armors and weapons as well
> time to get to writing
> notice all the stories i come up focus on female warriors, mages, archer, thieves with little or no male character
>have to go back and study females now
I'm a fucking idiot and the struggle is real. Pic related.

>>3325409
Did you made it with a reference ?

>>3325424
yes, why?

>>3325290
I relate real hard. Been keeping an OC of mine off the internet for nearly 15 years because of this.

>>3325512
15 years

Your never going to use it anyway

I fell for a fucking meme and bought a huion and boy howdy it fucking sucks dick. Trying to organize a refund but the company hasn't written me back in days after I sent them 6 videos of proof that their product is fucking trash.
>t. stylus currently isn't working, starting 10 minutes ago
I thought I was gonna work on this print before work but fuck me I guess

>>3325522
I was 12 when I invented him, give me a break. I couldn't actually use him in any substantial way at the time. Currently working on a comic where he's a very important character.

>>3325522
Not him but I actually plan on making a webcomic and using my characters for that. They'll stay off the internet for another 6 months or so.

I need to finish 3 illustrations by tomorrow. One is only 40% done and the other 2 I haven't even started. I also have a horrible fucking cold that has made me paint for only 3 hours a day for the past week. Client thinks I've been working on said 3 illustrations all this time, and i assured him i'll have them by the deadline.


My plan is to sleep little today, wake up at 1AM and paint for 8 hours STRAIGHT without stopping so I can send them in the morning. it doesn't matter if i get a hand injury from overworking my arm, i plan to take a one week break off work after this (perks of freelancing)

>>3325290
>>3325512

>thinking anyone gives a rats ass about your shitty OCs enough to use them as their own

L O L

>>3325599
Who are you so that I can tell people that you're a retard that can't manage his time even when he's getting paid for so so that people can know better than to buy your art.

>>3323768
post your art, let's see what we're working with here.

>>3325604
Post your work.

>>3325290
>being an OC fag
How does it feel that no one will ever get to know what you "created" and your OC will never see the light of day and will never ever get to manifest as a thought from another mind? It is as if it never existed all because you where a gigantic faggot.

>>3325616
even if my own work was shit, it wouldn't change the facts XD

>>3325618
Who the fuck makes OCs for no reason? Of course I plan on using them soon.

>>3325628
Well then lets have at it, post your OC faggot.

>>3325631
In a few months when I start drawing my webcomic. Still writing shit and designing characters.

>>3324727
reason no.3324727 as to why you charge half or all upfront

>>3323257
I draw very wierd, I fucked up my right wrist as a kid and have been forced to be left handed at a lot of things, however, when writing or drawing I draw holding the pencil with two hands. Any of you out there with sweaty palms, just imagine that problem x2.

>my work is predominately digital, my teacher has admitted they do not know how to make digital art
>teacher critiques and encourages the other students
>teacher has actively avoided critiquing my work and rarely gives a throwaway compliment in passing
I don't know if they (a self-proclaimed abstract expressionist) lack the knowledge necessary to give me an informed critique, which feels like a boundlessly hubristic thought to entertain, but the only alternative is: they fucking hate me
neither option makes me feel less cripplingly insecure

>>3325604
>if it's bad then it doesn't matter
>if it is good then you fucked up
>there's no benefit to sharing it

I don't care about OCs but I can see why people wouldn't want to share.

>>3325781
It has nothing to do with the medium. They are just bad teachers. The things they should be teaching you are universal across platforms.

>>3325812
cont:

That said

>a self-proclaimed abstract expressionist

Maybe you are just using digital as an excuse. Not sure what they could be teaching you if you insist on doing stuff that is abstract and expressionistic.

Do that in your own time and try to follow the assignments in the spirit they were given.

I feel like because I don't live in California I don't have any chance at working in art, let alone the animation industry.
Do any other anons feel this way and how do you deal with it?

>>3325818
>I feel like because I don't live in California I don't have any chance at working in art, let alone the animation industry.
Sounds like a poor excuse.

>best friend since elementary school
>great artist who i really admired
>inspired me to start drawing
>commission them a few times bcus i wanted to support them
>they become a giant cunt in high school
>constantly belittling me, mocking me and trying to embarrass me in front of others
>shits on my art when i ask for actual constructive criticism
>stop being friends
>have to constantly listen to everyone praise their art and see them win art contests
>never get my last commission i paid for

funny since i'm actually in an artsy career now while they're not.

>>3323257
>be in university art class
>fine arts definitely not this school's specialty
>pictures hanging on walls include graphic design and paintings of vaginas with a butthole
>be in figure drawing
>we do gesture drawings for five minutes (one minute each) and have to critique them
>lesbian always has something to say about everyone's art no matter how long the drawing was for (not that I have anything against lesbians, but it seems to be a trait she wants people to know about).
>art teacher is bottom of /beg/ tier
>encourages people to not draw the likeness of the figure due to there being "more appeal in drawings not being perfect"
god I hate going to this shit.

>>3325815
>they (a self-proclaimed abstract expressionist)
I'm asuming that they means the teacher, not the person posting

>>3323257
> like money
> commissions are a chore

How can I get paid for drawing what I want? Should I go into adoptable auctions? Are there any alternatives?

>>3325908

What is it you want to draw? If it isn't fanart or porn, good luck with that.

Why do so many artists hate commissions? I understand not liking jobs that are way out of your general style, but usually people just want more of the same shit an artist does anyway.

>>3325908
>How can I get paid for drawing what I want?

git gud

>>3323315

oof, rip my dude, hope you don't stop trying to get better tho

>>3325841
way to hold a grudge

>>3325841
But is your job better than theirs?

>>3325818
Listen the whole thing closely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3irHKiTwfgc

>Don't feel like my drawings are good enough so I decide to do photostudies to help my anatomy and drapery
>Instead become dependent on pics for reference and still can't draw shit from imagination
>Slowly getting burnt out on only drawing cute girls even though that's what my fanbook is dependent on
>Still dont think my linework/rendering is good enough to share with other people

How do the Japs do doujins every month man

>>3325841

I knew a guy like that. As soon as we hit high school he's suddenly taking jabs at me all the time when we're around other people, trying to belittle me, just generally was a douche. He was popular too in that shitty sort of valley girl way where nobody actually likes you because they all see what a snake you are.

Last I heard he was working as a waiter at a chain restaurant so I don't feel too bad.

You don't really know what kind of ego somebody's going to have when you're in elementary school, it's not uncommon to have good friends turn into total assholes in high school.

>>3325984
>How do the Japs do doujins every month man

Because they just grind out art 12 hours a day without getting hung up on whether they're good or not

>>3325984
My god anon... Are you me? I'm >>3325409 and I forgot to mention I'm having a lot of problems drawing from the imagination. I became too dependent of photos/reference like you because I didn't think my drawing were good enough.

I'm trying to do this thing where you copy some photos them you try to draw from imagination, maybe you can try it too. Or, if you find a better method let me know.

>>3325984
I think I feel where you're coming from. I was listening to a Bobby Chiu podcast and he says to warm up with 1 hr pure imagination drawing. They will look bad at first, but slowly get better. I'm on day two of this and my drawings still suck, but it helps with creativity.

>>3325984
You don't have it. The obsession. That's talent. Just be satisfied with what you can do.

>>3325825
He talked about the teachers in plural and himself in singular.

>>3325880
He talked about the teachers in plural and himself in singular.

>>3325991
Read the natural way to draw by kimon nicolaides

>>3325880
>>3326030
I meant one teacher; the singular sense of they. The teacher is a picasso wannabe and keeps trying to make me use meme-media to create masturbatory works of pseudo-art like they do, but I just want to grind. I've had to self-teach myself just about everything; all the "teacher" does is give assignments and make me doubt myself.

>>3325875
>encourages people to not draw the likeness of the figure due to there being "more appeal in drawings not being perfect"

But this is exactly what you're not supposed to do, right? You take the gesture and you exaggerate it. Many people who teach about gesture talk about this. But I'm guessing you're gonna ignore that because he's a 'beg artist' even when it's legitimate advice. Well, not fully but it's a step in the right direction.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not gonna act like I know a lot more about art than I do but the concept of gesture isn't really hard to grasp. I'm a beginner though so tell me the true way if there is one.

art as a career is dumb

I just wanted a cool, interesting life. I can still have it, but I was rushing it. And rushing art means lots and lots of suffering about how shit you are at drawing.

Reminds me of how some people make one mistake, and instead of just stopping, they keep fucking it up more and more. You might ask 'what the fuck is wrong with you, just stop fucking with it' but theyre not even listening, that first mistake kicked their asses to jupiter. and it feels like I just came back from the third ring.

you cant rush art. for me it took a lot of self acceptance. I didnt want to see what sort of art I can make now, what I felt like making now. I wanted to make art other people were making.

Takes time, young one. You can't go through a crisis every day. Some days just enjoy it.

>>3326840
one thing i realized.

its possible to draw without constantly being in the shadow of other artists.

But thats surprisingly difficult. Sort of scary even. The shadow gives order, and importance.

But being on your own means drawing for your own sake. Some people who don't really like themselves can't do this.

>>3323257

Who's the guy wearing the FZD shirt? Is that Feng Zhu?

>>3326840
>you cant rush art.
sure you can, i just double my rates

>>3327025
good one faggot

>>3326840
So what advice do you have for people who are /beg/ tier but ARE trying to make it art a career? Passion alone isn't gonna get us to professional level we need to be at to be published. And we only have so many years before reality kicks in and we need to support ourselves.

I agree art can't be rushed and to enjoy the process as much as you can, as well as not trying to aim for the stars when it comes to goals you're trying to reach. However, at the end of the day, the clock's ticking and isn't gonna stop because you don't want to do studies today or because you want to take it easy.

>>3327080
That's the thing, you're going to have to sacrifice whatever free time you'll have if you want to get into the field. This includes when you start to get a job and whatnot. A lot of artists rely on a part time job to get by.

>>3325615
I only do fanart. everyone here looks down on fanart

>>3327080
just be real with yourself first, anon. Don't play yourself like I did. Are you running from anything? How much self doubt do you have? can you really commit yourself to this surprisingly unglorious slog for your whole life just so others can have something pretty to look at for a moment? are you being shallow and just wanting your name printed on an art book? Are you willing to take on everything that comes between that and now?

I think if you have a dream, you have to be willing to drop that dream into a blender and hitting pulse, and being ready to be okay with whatever comes out. It'll be fucked up, it wont be anything like what you started with. other artists grow up and end up focusing more on family, lifting, beekeeping, fucking fixing cars even. That blender is you, the spinning is time. You will change, and you will change your dreams along with it. So you got to hold on for dear life even though nothing will be left over. Every whim, strong emotion, passion you have right now, will seem like a horsefly's fart many years down the line. In many ways, young artists just want to do art to remain young forever. That's why they cry so much, everyday.

>>3327102
I don't have anything to prove to anybody else. I do this because I'm good at it and I know I can be better. Even if the grind is unglorious and body aching, so are half the other jobs I could be doing and every career I could be studying, I might as well be betting all my energy on something I'm passionate about seeing through.

And personally. there's nothing wrong with trying to get my name on a book or 20. We're all gonna kick the bucket eventually, instead of dying a nameless salary worker, I'd much rather die an artist with artbooks and comic books sold all over the world. Whether it's my name or my characters' name that are remembered, there's nothing shallow about wanting to leave a mark on the world.

>find design doll
>wow this program is powerful this is going to help me so much
>spend hours making them do sex poses instead of drawing

>>3323279

i am like that, i have even wasted some study sessions drawing one armpit after another, instead of other subjects

something about how the muscles and bones join together fucks me over, it excites me. it is a fairly complex area of the body that mostly goes unnotices by the normie eye

>>3325781
>a self-proclaimed abstract expressionist

hahahahaha

>>3327169
The absolute state of art school.

>>3327152
Maybe that's what you wanted to do all along

>happy with the progress youve made upon the completion of a piece.
>the heart shattering disappointed when you take a step back and ask yourself, "Is this something I would personally like?"

>>3325992
>warm up with 1 hr pure imagination drawing.

thats good advice, another thing is to draw with reference one time and then hide both the reference and your previous drawing, and try to draw it again without it, no looking, no cheating. after its done you compare

If you do anatomy studies this way the information sticks in your head better. after a few weeks the reference becomes almost nuisance

>>3325958
lel

>>3325972
no idea. don't care. i love my job. wouldn't be surprised if they dropped out of college and became a greasy hermit still living with mommy like they were in school though desu. seems like them.

>>3325985
yeah unfortunately. always good to hear when the school assholes have shitty jobs

>>3323257

>live in a shit world country
>No family, no connections, no money, i am not good at anything and the only thing i like is art and weeb shit
>Nowhere to study illustration , can only study graphic design at a shit institute
>I pirate books online to self teach myself fundamentals in drawing.
>i quite several times, very little resources back then, too much competition, i get frustated and deppresed
>i graduate from shit institute eventually
>can only find shit work in graphic design locally, i dont even have my own pc since i am that poor and can only work in house for shit pay
>find international freelance sites
>start illustrating for customers with my low level charging little but after a while realize is more than i make in the ad agency and i quit , i hated graphic design, i hate advertisement and i hate ofice jobs
>Shit world country goes full retard into socialism
>Everyone is starving but i make money in $ and devaluation doesn´t affect me as much
>WTF ART SAVED ME FROM STARVING WTFFFFFF I NEVER IMAGINED I COULD MAKE SOMETHING OF IT . HOW CAN THSI BE WTF

I Know i would have a very hard time still supporting myself if i move to another country, my only family is my father who is sick and i can´t pay for both of our expenses in another economy.

i am however very grateful that i am literally no starving to death thanks to art but i am in a corner because i am not sure how to move forward, i regret wasting my time in graphic design, i didn´t know i could pursue a better option, there was no online freelancing back then. There wasnt a lot of good books or courses online but now that there are i feel burned out, bored and too old for this.

I still try to study during the week, i am burning trough a few anatomy books and watch some of those cgma and schoolism courses, i know i am a scumbag for pirating, sorry, but the salary in my country is 1$ a month, pirating saved my life.

Pic is a random one from my practices folder

>>3327232
Third world country stories are always interesting. I wonder what happens to those that fail.

>>3327232
Can you name the international freelance sites? Fellow shit world country here in need of money.

>>3327243

fiiver , odesk, workana, people per hour, freelancer.

if you have a paypal and a payoneer you can manage.

>>3327248
Thank you very much brother. Hope you figure things out. Let's keep fighting in the shitholes we call country.

>>3325818
Feeling this heavily as I look at housing prices in Southern California right now.
>800USD for a refurbished closet space that looks like a murderer's masturbatory receptacle

>>3327265
>tfw born and raised in California but have no idea how to make use of the opportunity because there are more talented people

>>3327261

no problem my friend. Right back at ya

For a burguer illustration might seem like a difficult badly paid endeavor considering their costs and standards, but when you live in a place where engineers make 1$ a month you start seeing it as a cup of grace. I try to give advice and explain stuff in local boards and to friends but very few have cared to listen.

I hope one or two at least have used some of the references i have shared. It saddens me that people go hungry that otherwise wouldn´t

>>3327268
Talent won't land you jobs if you never have the opportunity to be in the right place and at the right time. Don't sweat being that great when you're in the perfect place to network.

Also, please let me live in your garage.

>tfw dad is that kind of guy that when comes to art, believes in "talent"
>tells him I want to be an artist
>tfw dad didn't have faith in me because my drawings used to look bad and he was very honest about it
>my drawings look alright now
>bite the bullet and show him my stuff
>he likes it, nods and smiles saying "yeah, you improved."
What special feeling. Just wait dad. I'm going to make it and you will be proud.

>>3327282
Anon a cute. Ganbarre!

>>3323274
i cant believe he became a meme here now.

i remember when i first started posting his artwork here and people didn't seem to bat an eye. guess im just that old fag now

and my vent
>girl who plagiarised her entire work all through school and getting her boyfriend to do her art homework is now raking in thousands of dollars on instagram and her patreon
>mfw she's still frankensteining other people's work and calling it her own
>mfw i'm just holding on to the hope she'll get her ass exposed. shes getting fat anyways because i dont want to risk my own reputation by starting drama

>>3327286
Oh shit, do you know her in real life or something? I remember the whole drama around her initial tweets about her plagiarism (with absolutely no guilt or understanding of why people were getting mad). Made me disappointed that one of my favorite non-pro artists was submissive as fuck about her tweets. I hope you have more to vent about her, since she seems like a cunt.

>>3327265
I just found a $900 listing where you would live in a converted school bus with another guy. It made me laugh mostly because he added that he could be found in at least ten different locations.

>>3327232
Third world friend, im sure if you told one of those California LA living CGMA teachers that you stole their lessons to help make a living in ugandastan in person and they saw you looked like you were from a third world country theyd be glad or indifferent at most.

>>3327351
yeah i do know her in real life. she was always a cunt and talked smack about other people. no one liked her at school (except for a few thirsty retards) and some people has tried to expose her, but i guess her daddy's coin was too good for the school to try and kick her out.

i think we might be talking about different people though, she has never publicly admitted that she plagiarizes. she's only blocked and hidden any comments about it.

also she's apparently batshit insane, and abuses her bf to buy her goodies and food. someone i know who's close to her bf (or used to be before she forced him to cut ties with her) has said he's just the shell of the person he used to be.

>>3327381
sounds like a real pretty princess

mind posting her info? im quite intrigued.

>>3327376
>theyd be glad or indifferent at most.

i´d like to think that, the reality is that i would have never been able to buy them otherwise so it is not money that they would have made anyways, but it made a lifetime of difference to me.

I have been trying to save to buy some of the pdf. books i use on amazon to give something back little by little but i have had many other priorities like health and new equipment so i can keep working and keep eating.

starting to see how shit I am, how shit my habits are, and where this shit road will ultimately lead

And boy I do not like it.

>>3326793
>But this is exactly what you're not supposed to do, right?

yes, this was the thing i was going to comment, you are supposed to keep it loose and focus on dinamism, story and readability using as many little lines as possible.

Volume, perspective, proportion, anatomy comes AFTER gesture. Gesture is essence and exploration.

>>3326793
>But this is exactly what you're not supposed to do, right?

yes, this was the thing i was going to comment, you are supposed to keep it loose and focus on dinamism, story and readability using as few fluid lines as possible.

Volume, perspective, proportion, anatomy comes AFTER gesture.

Gesture is about essence and exploration. It actually improves drastically the appeal of your work if you spent time with it instead of wanting to be autistic and just show you know anatomy.

This is design for animation bread and butter. When you see the top entries in the character design challenges it always is a very dynamic gesture but rarely are they heavy on rendering.

>>3327381
Oh yeah, I think we ARE talking about two different people, seeing that the person I'm thinking of eventually got kicked out of the school (for poor grades, not plagiarism), and she was publicly tweeting around it last September or November, when people were sharing their stories about art school or being self-taught and stuff. She was making excuses about how every applicant was trying their best to get in so why couldn't she cheat, or something.

It's sort of nuts that there's two artists who got into art schools with others' portfolios and got their SO to do their homework for them, though. The audacity.

I work in retail and we just got this new bow flex set up for display and I was literally using it off and on for 8 hours and now I can barely move and probably won't be able to draw for a few days. Ordering a pizza now to make me feel better.

>>3327499
good shit, just rest, don't work out any more, eat, feel the gains, and go back to drawing in 2-3 days.

>Hear back from the first animation internship I applied to
>Rejekted
THE FIRST OF MANY

I just started learning to draw recently but improved relatively quickly. Now everyone around me irl says I should go to art school and get a degree, but the only programs I can get into are too beginner for me. I really just want to do a lot of studies to improve my visual library, grind rendering and colors for a year or two, and consume a lot of different kinds of media. I don't really want to go to an art school just to waste time on art history essays or symbol drawing exercises for an entire year. I do enjoy talking to people irl and attending figure drawing sessions though.

>>3323257
I'm going to learn to draw porn so that I can make porn games. Nothing will stop me.

>>3329865
You've made a lot of progress quickly from what I can see; keep doing what you're doing. If you're going at all, I'd say go to a GOOD school for a year and meet people. I have friends who only went for a year and still know their teachers and everyone in their classes.

>>3324080
This is the part about 'graphic design' that bothers me most. It's that feeling that the client had something else in mind / the printing process getting fucked. Did a few works like this but it's just a huge pain in the ass

>>3329865
do drawing on the side
get a real education to have something to fall back on if you lose interest in art or dont want to be a pro

>>3325781
>I don't know if they (a self-proclaimed abstract expressionist) lack the knowledge necessary to give me an informed critique, which feels like a boundlessly hubristic thought to entertain, but the only alternative is: they fucking hate me
>neither option makes me feel less cripplingly insecure
>>3325781
>boundlessly hubristic t
>>3325781
>cripplingly insecure
you talk like a shitty hipster
this kind of talk is ugly as fuck and don't make you smart at all

>>3330168
>you talk like a shitty hipster

or positively brittish mate.

I understand what than anon means, even when he is a bit hiperbolic. Maybe study a dictionary together with fun with a pencil

>>3330171
>I understand what than anon means
It's not about understanding the text you delusional manchild.

>>3330186
>you delusional manchild.
>other people´s lexicon trigger him

>>3330152
im gonna tour Max the Mutt on tuesday, that might be the best choice for me in the near future besides one off classes around toronto.

>>3330163
nah I don't wanna do anything besides drawing. i'll just get a shitty part time job for now.

>>3323315
Legit no one starts off being good, anon. Just do studies often for a year or two and you'll see some big art gains.

>>3327396
same, anon. suicide cult?

digital art is a fucking scam. I have literally never dealt with anything so fucking frustrating in my whole entire life up until this. I'd rather go out with female friends with a dead phone and come home to my gf on her period bitching at me for the next 4 days than deal with this pile of horse shit. But fucking normies won't buy prints of traditional artwork, they only want originals so fuck me both ways.

WHEN DO I bECOME GOOD ENOUGH TO DRAW DrawtHREAD REQUESTS ON Co AND V

>>3331498

>if its hard is a scam

you just need to git gud

>>3331498
KEK pussy

>>3331507
I literally can not even draw right now because my digital shit doesn't want to work and everything I've done to try and fix it hasn't worked, and with a deadline tomorrow to boot. Hard to git gud when I can't work at all.

>>3331511
crab.

>>3326793
>But this is exactly what you're not supposed to do, right?

Not him, and no. A good teacher will tell you not to copy. A good example of that is animation. You see one thing and then you draw the subject as if it had moved or turned slightly. It'll help your understanding of what is going on and give your drawing life. BTW when I say animation I mean as opposed to posing.

Don't be bound by your reference, just use it for inspiration and guidance.

>>3331498
Anon. Going from traditional to digital is far bigger than when you lost your training wheels learning to ride a bicycle. You go from a limited color palette and limited tools that in some cases will make people impressed you could even get them to work and then you hit unlimited potential where you can print your own pencils, you paint with light and an unlimited color palette and you have to learn additive colors, software, hardware configurations and new drawing habits.

Of course you are going to get scared and feel like shit when you realize how much you have to learn.

>>3323257
LOOMIS FUCKING SUCKS

>>3331548
no, you fucking-suck Loomis. Complaining means you on break, no break.

>>3331506
post your work and i will judge if you are good enough

>>3329865
Go to a regular university. Get a regular degree in something other than art, and then minor in art. Getting a degree in business and then having the minor in art would be fantastic.

The other degree will be your safety net, and having a minor in art will gain you enough friends and connections in the art department that it's worthwhile.

I recommend business because a lot of artists lack good business sense, and that leads to a lot of people failing. It is also a degree that you can use for any industry.

>>3323279
go on a porn search engine it's not too obscure, mostly tied with sweaty or hairy women tho

>>3323257
How to get over burnout?

>>3331650
Everyone will tell you therapy
Your parents generation will tell you to go take a walk in the park
If your burnout is as anything as bad as mine then I recommend both.
I havent been in an enjoyable "flow state" (hyperfocus) in years, anon. Think about that.

>>3323768
>there's only 1 relevant art school here that actually produces quality art students
iAcademy? or St Benilde?

My first choice used to be art-related course but decided to go on IT for the huge paycheck. I'm working now and found a job with enough free time to draw.
I'd rather draw as a hobby than have it as a career. I'll easily get burnt out.

>love artists' work
>follow them
>some months later they get into furry
>almost all new drawings are either new furry designs they made or something furry-related out of a japanese phone game
>like them enough to not unfollow because I still want to see new content

I know it's their drawings and they should do what they love but it's still a bit disappointing

>>3331506
just take a request from co/v and post it.
Have a thicker skin when they tell you it sucks, then try again

I have 0 followers on any platforms and it sucks. I need to work harder to grown an audience and that means more finished work.

All i drew were sketches until i posted something finished looking today, so i dont know what i expected really. Just FeelsBadMan tho

I bought Corel Painter Essentials 6 and it won't work and despite emailing them I haven't heard back. Fuck this.

>>3327187
You sound absolutely salty. Best way to tell is that you say you "don't care" but has the need to post a butthurt post here and image they're doing worse than you.

tl;dr: Grow up.

>>3323315
great work on the ass.

>feeling like i'm reaching a new level in art skills after 10 years of drawing
>feel like i'm gonna make it
>check on deviantart
>realize every artist from the philipines is better than me
>realize many are younger than me
>realize they charge pennies to draw this insanely polished stuff while I still can barely color my characters without something being off

Worst feels

>>3331518
waa waa digital art is hard

I hate that the only art of mine that gets any recognition here is porn.

>>3331708
UP diliman. there was a series of really good tutorials floating around tumblr and the one who made it was an alumni there. his arts pretty pixar tier. I forgot his tumblr name tho.

may I ask what your job is now? yeah IT is what really pays nowadays. too bad I wasn't smart enough to make that choice years ago

>make instagram
>get followed by a score of semi-famous instagram artists
>still never take off myself
>barely got past the 100 followers
I can't social media.

i haven't drawn in months. i want to, i just don't.

>>3334381
the tristan yuvienco guy?
his tutorials are good but t bh he's pretty tumblr tier to me

I'm a software developer right now. Luckily managed to land on a company that wasn't strict on work hours so I get to have enough leisure time to draw

>>3334503
Yeah, that's him I think. Didn't realize he was a flip until I saw his "katipunero" pic. Fooled me enough to think he was from calarts. Tumblr is like a salad mix of styles. Pixar is just one of them. I don't think he does the tumblr nose.


Wow lucky. I didn't think those kinds of companies exist in our shitty country. Also, I didn't think you'd reply. Lol. You frequent here?

>>3325625
>XD
Kill yourself

>Spent 200+ dollars on art books
>Barely open any of them
>Stopped drawing

I hate myself for wasting all of that money.

>watch a movie/tv show
>character is an Artist Who Made It
>they show their work on screen
>9 out of 10 times it's something worse then mine
>still NGMI

>>3334866
>hang around on /ic/ just to shitpost too
Man get your shit together you dumbass.

>>3335541
>watch a movie/tv show
>character is an Artist
>they show their work on screen
>always super good but acts like it's trash
People don't even know what trash is. They haven't even begun to breach the beginning of it all.

>>3334866
>tfw hate having a lot of tools so I mostly spend spare change in tools
>tfw draw daily

It sure feels good not to be a loser

>>3334866
i do this but then i open them in a few months and remember why i bought them.

>>3334511
I checked his gallery again and looks like he improved a lot. I guess his profile pic rubbed me off the wrong way. It's giving me the irrational tumblr hate.
You might want to check abbydraws too, maybe her art is up your alley.

>You frequent here?
I usually drop by on /alt/ and artbook thread. But I'm mostly on cm and co

>>3334866
I used to do it too. Then i sold my artbooks and feel much more free.

>>3323891
Never, ever take commissions from friends or family if you want to stay on good terms with them.

>>3323714
what are you studying now? art school won't make you an artist you know. you can weedle your way into UP if you want it enough though.

>>3335742
ooh pinoys on ic... can you share some of your art?

>be me
>used to think I was pretty good because I got praised by NGMI teachers/classmates/parents during my childhood
>never really pursue it
>timeskip to early 20s
>college student (engineering)
>/beg/ af
>will never find enough time nor make up for lost time

Pretty generic but yeah, basically my only real regret is not starting seriously sooner and wasting too much time on dumb shit like vidya instead.

>>3335799
keep on engineering, art is a really hopeless pursuit, unless you're a girl or very very social.

>>3334866
that's what proprietary does to you

>>3335803
I know. The only reason I'm studying engineering is because I come from a poorfag family and an engineering degree basically guarantees a high-paying job here. I have basically zero interest in it and my only hope is that I'll Stockholm syndrome myself into liking it, otherwise I'll be stuck with a soul-crushing job for the rest of my life, but hey, at least I'll be well-off.

I always knew that art would never amount to anything more than a hobby for me but it's still a shame I can't pursue it as much as I'd like to.

>>3335541
>>3335552
>watch a movie/tv show
>character is a 10y0 kid who doodles on the notebook
>they show their art on screen
>it's something out of a girl artist's instagram who illustrates children books

>Be me
>Be kid
>"The kid who's good at drawing"
>Everyone assumes I'll be a professional artist and probably be rich
>Parents and teachers encourage me to achieve this goal

>Be me
>Be teenager
>In high school art classes
>Zero fundies taught
>Just keep on trucking in "muh style"
>Other kids are better
>Just assume they're born that way

>Be me
>21
>Get a job drawing a webcomic
>Starts out good, super simple and quick to do
>Scripts become more complicated
>Pay stays the same
>Have mental breakdown
>Discover /ic/
>Convinced to quit
>Quit
>Made 600 bucks in four months
>Most money I would ever make off my art

>Be me
>23
>NEET
>Realize I'm wasting my life
>Finally buckle down and start studying for real
>Do Scroto's figure drawing exercises three hours a day for three months
>Huge improvement
>Decide to branch out and get more advanced
>Loomis, Vilppu, Robertson
>Pile on more exercises and more time
>Burn out after six months
>Never get back into it

>Be me
>27
>Haven't done serious, dedicated study in three years
>Minimal improvement
>Totally despondent and depressed
>Uncle works in art department in local film industry
>Has been telling me for years that if I just get gud enough I'll be given a job, free entry into the industry
>Never got gud enough
>Mom has had enough
>Kicking me out at the end of the month
>No job history, no education, no experience or qualifications
>Wasted my life, going to kill myself
>Look through early art from childhood
>Tons and tons of drawings of trains
>Remember my early passion for rail
>Remember my childhood ambition to drive trains
>My parents and teachers put more stock in the fact I was drawing than what I was drawing

Lessona:

1) Don't procrastinate, don't get distracted.

2) Don't waste your life on something you know isn't going to happen.

3) Just because you have a talent doesn't mean that's what you're supposed to do with your life.

>>3335810
>>3335799
At least you'll have a full time job to pay on your bills. Keep on drawing as a hobby it's not that bad

>>3335891
>My parents and teachers put more stock in the fact I was drawing than what I was drawing
fugg

>>3335803
delete this

>>3335891
>>No job history, no education, no experience or qualifications
>>Wasted my life, going to kill myself

same here, bruh.
i should've gone into computer science, at least i'd have something tangible to work with, rather than pursuing the elusive idea of aesthetics and people's opinions

>>3335891
>quit from 23 to 27
of course it's not going to happen if you quit for 4 years

>>3335766
nah I just draw animus and cartoon doodles

>watching videos about the freelance market in my third world country
>get hit by an existencial dread
please... please someone just link me to the best site for private commissions. I'll draw people video games characters/rpg characters...

My attention span is the size of a pebble. I can't draw straight without getting distracted every 5 mins. Tips?

>tfw artist gf
She's not the greatest painter but she knows enough about art for us to actually discuss things, and for us to buy each other tools and appreciate it. Curling up with her on a couch and drawing is the comfiest I've felt in years.

>>3335991
I'm happy for you anon<3

>>3323257
>bought a fancy new tablet
>feel somehow guilty for using it and being unskilled when most people are better with less.

>>3335990
I have this same problem. Solved it by microdosing LSD
>>3335991
Fuck you for living my wet dreams IRL

>my doodle finally gets one like
>check who liked it
>their art is terrible

>>3323257
I need to learn how to draw shoulders and hips better so limbs don't look they were just attached to the body. And I need to work on arms in general so they're not stiff and not as thick around the wrist.

>spent years rendering
>pixel perfect human photocopier
>can't draw anything from imagination
>have to hide this fact from family who constantly want me to paint X for them

>>3336126
>sketch finally takes off on tumblr
>receiving 40-50 notes daily for a week
>checking the reblogs
>"this guy's butt is so hot"

>>3336137
Fuck off, Proko. You post this every single day.

>>3327286
So who is this girl?

>>3336126
>get followed
>check who followed me
>they're all good amateurs too

>>3336143
Post pic pls

>>3327286
Just expose her with an alt account or anonymously here

I'm a bit tired of drawing lewds ,specially futa.But it pays.
I want to draw cool knights fighting skeletons

>>3327286
Always thought his surname was strange...

>>3336226
I feel ya man, but is futa easy to break into? I fell into the furry inflation trap once, and currently drawing shota and loli. I put a stop to inflation and I'm about to do the same with the shota shit because it makes me uncomfortable.

>>3327381
>>3327286


WHO IS THIS ANON?? The suspense is killing me.

>>3336528
Sashafranz

>>3336126

Everyime I go to deviantart, I see that the people who favorite my works make the cringiest things I ever see.

>>3331941
Says the fag replying to a week old post. it's a vent thread you absolute dumb shit

>tfw people on social media keep messagint you trying to be your friend

I'm too autistic for this

>>3336714
Same. What do

>friends talking about instagram. >mention started an art account.
>”ooh what’s your art account, anon?”
>nah it’s cringe
>”just tell us”
>tell them
>group chat goes dead
>no one follows me
>jdims

>>3336714
lucky. im too nervous to talk to people and make friends. wish people would reach out to me

>>3323315
>stealing an old meme

>>3336738
Not really. Now I have to worry about random people on the internet finding out I'm a boring loser.

>have only done boring academic still lifes or copies the past year
>have hardly done any imaginative drawing
>tfw it feels like you're never going to get out of your regressive period
I want to waste away.

>>3336964

Better than the alternative, which is to only do fun imaginative drawing and completely stagnate for lack of fundamental skills.

>can get decent paying commissioners whenever I want, lots of nice regulars too
>calculated avg. time spent on a piece and how much I typically get paid for it vs. minimum wage, make more than minimum wage
>art's a side thing for me anyway since I'm going into my other passion, the healthcare field
>got a ton of new followers recently
>met a bunch of cool artists that I'm now mutuals on twitter with
>making a little extra money on patreon
>feel like I'm getting better and better at art
>after a lifetime of struggling with family abuse, poverty and severe mental health issues that I finally cured myself of without meds, things are actually looking up

I'm incredibly grateful and I wish you all the same happiness that I've been fortunate enough to come upon. It's been a difficult road and I know there are still struggles ahead too, but for the first time in my life I feel like I can actually tackle whatever comes my way.

>>3336982
Was so overwhelmed with gratitude I forgot my reaction image.

>>3336974
Drawing still lives can only take you so far when it comes to applying fundies, though. I've gotten to a problem where my still lives/copies are just me blocking in 2D shapes instead of thinking in 3D as I did when I did almost entirely imaginative drawings. A mix of both is ideal, but I really regret slacking on the subjects and style I actually want to draw in.

>>3337001
Samefag--I'm stupid. I mean to spell "still lifes", and that in my case, doing them only did so much to build my fundies but I'm not applying them to work I care about. Not trying to insinuate academic work and studies don't teach anything, but it's stupid of me to keep expecting drawing eggs and plants will somehow translate into cute girls and perspective heavy drawings for environment design without any effort.

>>3335742
I never bothered looking at his profile pic. last time I saw his blog the art took 95% of the page.

>You might want to check abbydraws too, maybe her art is up your alley.

nice art style. reminds me of concept art from disney's 3D movies. checked the faq. why does everyone in IT so good at art ; ^ ;

>I usually drop by on /alt/ and artbook thread. But I'm mostly on cm and co

you're into western cartoons?


>>3335766
>what are you studying now? art school won't make you an artist you know. you can weedle your way into UP if you want it enough though.

cruiseship management. but it's just a bunch of NCII's bundled with minor subjects so it can be seen as an "actual college course". it was too late when I found that out. 8. fucking. years. too late. no I can't. the reason why it's hard to get into UP is because there's lots of people trying to get in but only a few slots available.


quite a surprise there are more flips on 4chan. much less here. you know how most of us prefer FB

>>3325781
Take it from someone doing physics research, professors and teacher half ass as much as they can and most are horribly unqualified. Your teacher is shit through and through if she can't even acknowledge the work just because of different medium.

>>3336982
I hope to reach your level of art success someday.

>>3324274
Break it down into a simplified form.

Blocks nigga

>>3327282
at least he says something to you. something is better than nothing. just pure vacant narcissistic nothingness, a void of human emotion.

>>3337047
Eh, personally my parents would scratch and scream at me for drawing instead of studying. Tit for tat.

>>3327282
>be me, 2 years ago
>graduated uni and moved back home
>want to improve art
>mom in one of her rampages comes home and yells at me
>SITTING HERE DRAWING IN YOUR LITTLE BOOK DRAWING YOUR LITTLE SHITTY SKETCHES AGAIN?
>brush her off, was used to her being crazy
>was actually cut deeper than i could have imagined
>tilt me off my shit for months
You always think words are just words. But sometimes they reach places you arent aware of, and the effects manifest. Parents words especially.

>>3336226
How much do you get paid for art like this?

Depending on the answer I might open up a porn blog.

>>3336982
I'm happy for you anon. Post blog.

>>3337062
Thought it was just me
It's crazy how it works

>>3337062
same situation here. it's a good motivator to find a decent job and move out

>>3335990
I suffer from the same problem when working on my computer, but changing the place usually helps a lot. When sketching outside, painting with an easel or in an art class it's much better. You can even leave the phone at home so that you have no choice but to concentrate on your art.

But my tablet which is use for paid work is still tethered to the fucking computer and I can't afford any portable gizmo. I spend all day on stuff that should only take a few hours. No audiobook, music or tv show keeps me enough in the zone and working in silence is even more maddening. I'm seriously considering getting some meds from a shrink, but they'd probably say "just turn off the browser" or "set up a timer" like I haven't thought of that before.

>>3336982
How do you juggle your art and job without getting burned out?

>>3337062
damn son. move out. like it's perfectly ok to sit for hours binging on netflix but you should feel guilty working on something is shitty? people hate the idea of others improving themselves, it just magnifies their own flaws. pretty much the main reason /ic/ is so crabshit 2bh

>>3325290
i understand that feel

>>3337107
Nah, knowing this place hes a 20+ NEET who does fuck all to help his mom with bills or housework.

or i might be wathcing to many /r9k/ vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFe8TBhLeQQ

>>3337109
Regardless of help you're not supposed to act crazy like that. I think once you start thinking it's your fault, then you start taking responsibility for things that have nothing to do with you, and it obscures what matters.

>>3334866
scan and send the pdfs my way, senpai

>tfw you want to start a patreon but are too scared of it being a failure

>>3337132
start it. if it fails you can always shut it down

>>3336126
>doodle gets two likes on pixiv
>check who liked it
>both of them are japanese pedophiles with lolis, toddlers and babies getting railed by the BBC
i wish it wasn't true but it is

Giving up pain pill addiction quitting cigarettes so the only drug I'll be using is caffeine and anti anxiety med which actually has been helping me a lot with quitting stuff I just mentioned. Hoping for a clearer head and healthier body which will lead to easier time with drawing more. It's very difficult but I need to do it so I have more control over myself and be more disciplined, I know it'll be a struggle but I need to do what it takes to max out my improvement

>>3337145
>followed by someone
>check their profile
>they also draw loli

this is the best feel

>>3337017
>you're into western cartoons?
ye and some animu

> why does everyone in IT so good at art
Don't give up anon, it's never too late. It has nothing to do with the course, and you can always self-study on your free time

>>3337001
>>3336974
You're aware that you can and SHOULD do both, right?
Do the studies, boring academic still lifes, bargue copying and figure drawing. But also separate some time in your schedule to draw freely.

>>3337144
Not him, but how should one manage a patreon anyway?
Is it basically doing sketches for people who pledge, giving acess to high res art and maybe process videos?

>>3337017
>no I can't. the reason why it's hard to get into UP is because there's lots of people trying to get in but only a few slots available.

i know lol. i'm saying that people get in through back doors all the time. but also, why do you need to? the internet is all the art school you need really. and you can see for yourself that plenty of pinoy artists come from non-art related courses. you'll just have to make time for your art around your schedule. it's what everybody else does! we don't all have the luxury of going to art school and drawing full time. i'm curious though, what kind of work in the art industry are you interested in doing?

>>3335937
cute cute! reminds me of how my high school classmates used to draw.

>>3335891
>Quit for 4 years, even though you were promised a place in the industry
>No job history, no education, no experience or qualifications

You write like I'm supposed to feel pity for a lazy retard whom future was handed in silver platter

No ones fault but your own

>>3337247
pledge to patreons and see for yourself man. do some research

>>3323257
A whole mess of things.
But basically I always feel like an insecure nervous wreck, when I think about the quality of my art, specifically of my comic's. I just can't help but feel like it's godawful dogshit, and people are just lying to me about it looking cool. The art style in particular I'm always horribly anxious about.

Like I like it personally, but it's also a bit "out there" and I've had people miss the point of what I'm doing, despite the fact that if you look at the progression of the work it becomes clear I do in fact study every day. And just feeling like I'm not doing as much as I can, but being too tired to do more than I am. Or the lack of recognition, even though I can't fault people for not caring much, given how there's only maybe 75 pages or so, out there at the moment.

It's a lot. But I'm still going to keep pushing forward, in spite of all that. I set out to finish this, and I was planning on it taking somewhere close to a decade, and I'm already over ten percent of the way there. As nerve wracking as it can be.

I never go to /gd/ but I’m a graphic design major and started an internship this semester.

It’s been okay so far but what I don’t like is that the business I work for employs another graphic designer that has their own way of doing stuff, like using PowerPoint instead of adobe products most of the time. They also like to center everything whereas I prefer aligning text to the side. It’s interesting to learn about gd shortcuts and how things work in the professional setting but having someone else constantly alter what I make is frustrating.

My dream has always been to work in comic books and due to my slacking I haven't made it. Now I'm looking at new waves of creators who should be my professional peers, and I'm just stuck on the sidelines. It's a crappy feeling but it's nobody's fault but mine.

>>3337415
I know that feel.

>>3337330

I'm not asking for pity, I'm warning people not to fall in the same traps I did.

>>3331708

Benildean here. Teachers are either bad at teaching or actual professionals. But it's rare to get the actual pros to teach since they're only part-timers.

Don't take their Multimedia Arts course if you're into illustration. They don't really tackle it aside from the foundational studies and basic animation(and the comic elective). This is coming from a disillusioned art student who regrets transferring to art school lol

Basically my gf cooked me jambalaya i ate 5 bowls all the rice plugged me up for several days felt like i had a big ball of condensed shit stuck in my gut ate a bunch of prunes and my ass exploded nonstop for hours took a few days to get through this but now I'm ready to fucking draw again

>>3337612

>Don't take their Multimedia Arts course if you're into illustration. They don't really tackle it aside from the foundational studies and basic animation(and the comic elective). This is coming from a disillusioned art student who regrets transferring to art school lol

Mapuan here. Don't ever take multimedia arts if you ever want to become a pro artist, they don't teach shit and I dropped out because of it.

I've made more progress in 6 months on my own than I would ever in 3 years if I stayed there.

>>3337870
Maybe next time you'll have some self control around cajun cooking

>open up a patreon
>start posting high res stuff & source files
>start getting my first few pledgers
>so much excitement in that moment compared to any other time in my life
>keep going
>next month rolls in, expect pledge payments
>first week passes, nothing
>turns out all my patrons were frauds
>despair.jpeg
>fastforward to 3months later
>find out about yiff party


Goddamn the site was made by a furry to rip off other furrynartists but I see other artists like sakimichan and tracy butler get caught in the crossfire

>>3338030
>open up a patreon
AAaaand stopped reading or sympathizing right there

>>3327232
Venezuela?

>>3338030
>>turns out all my patrons were frauds
I've yet to get one fake patreon. these people realy do want to support your in creating you know

>>3331795
are you using hashtags? if you hashtag the anime or game or whatever, and the character name, or actor name etc then you can pick up followers faster

>>3335990
the rock shadows on the right look like a face

>all my art friends practically draw every day, even if it's just sketching
>Some are even able to finish multiple drawings a day
>I finish one drawing and need a week long break, can't even be bothered to sketch something decent

Few more days of this and I'm gonna have an identity crisis again

Do any other twitter users feel like their followers retweet/like everything but your actual art. I feel when I tweet random bullshit like screenshots of shows or off-handed comments, it gets more attention then the art I spend hours on.

I don't know If I'm uploading at the wrong time frame or what? I have usually been uploading early in the morning (9AM) or late at night (3AM) . If I could just get 100 followers and have at least 5 likes within the hour I upload something, I would be satisfied ;_;

Maybe I should just use this as motivation to work harder? I like to tell myself that when my skill level starts to improve, more followers will start rolling in.

>>3338346
keep drawing, it's usually hard at the start
those artists already have a momentum going
If you force yourself to keep drawing ('specially on the same time everyday), it'll get easier and eventually form into a habit

>>3338362
ah crap this was meant for this >>3338330

>>3338346
If you worry so much about follower count, you're ngmi and get even more depressed. Just focus on getting better and the followers will eventually come. Draw a fanart of your favorite character too.

There's a person in a discord server I'm in that makes it their personal blog. What's worse about this is that they always talk about "oh how do I draw like that?" To which everyone replies helpful advice before they say "oh but I want it to be easy"
It's really frustrating because they talk about how good they are at movement and shit when they're not even good at anything because they don't want to learn the fundamentals first. I consider myself a decent artist and when I see people talking about how good they are when they aren't at all, without wanting to even put effort into getting better, calling themselves good at movement just really grinds my gears.
And it's not like they're doing anything technically wrong so there's no reason to get an admin to boot them, but I just really wish they didn't stink up the place with their "oh I'm so unmotivated" bullshit or "lol I wish I could draw better but I'm lazzyyyyyy tfw"

>>3327265

You guys don't want to live here. Cali is turning into a third world country. You're either rich, or you're sucking their cocks.

>>3338330
I'm able to draw everyday even with wageslave job keeping me away from pencils most of the day.
You really "just" need to make it a habit, even if it's just doodling for half an hour. If you have the whole day to yourself, try to finish a complete drawing or two, even if you find it to be a shitty drawing.
It's easy to procrastinate, but keep fighting.

>>3338346
And that's why I never mix art accounts with shitposting accounts. Stupid shit will always get more attention, because it's easy to digest, but if you have an art only account, whoever follows you will be following you solely for your artwork.

>Be part of art comunity
>tfw that community is filled with weebs that trashtalk old master, comic artists and everything that isn't "kawaiiii!!!*o*"
THESE RETARDS FILL ME WITH RAGE AND DETERMINATION TO PROVE THEM WRONG

MY ANGER WILL MAKE ME MAKE IT

I'm spending all my effort growing a following in hopes of making money without any plans on how to actually make money.

At least the first part is going alright.

>>3338543
How ironic.

>>3338030
Does patreon have any way to require at least one payment before they can receive anything?

>>3338030
>Goddamn the site was made by a furry to rip off other furrynartists but I see other artists like sakimichan and tracy butler get caught in the crossfire

I'll probably regret asking but what are you talking about? Patreon?

>>3338375
>oh how do I draw like that?

Anyone who ask that question should be ignored if you know what is best for you. They're parasites.

>>3338649
not when you start out, no. Pretty retarded.

>>3338685
but that's like 80% of /ic/

>>3338362
>>3338364
I try to draw everyday, I'd even say I do if we count doing some crappy sketches and doodles for 30 minutes as actual practice. But I don't really feel good calling that practice so it doesn't feel like I am drawing everyday at 100%.

>>3338471
Yeah this is the main thing holding me back. Whenever my sketches are looking crappy I usually stop for the day and try again the next. That or when I can't think of anything to draw from imagination since I don't wanna be photo referencing every single time I draw something.

>>3331619
the thing with regular school for degrees is that i might not even use the degree if i can get an art job before that and I'd also have to take loans for school and put myself in debt. if i can just learn on my own for 4 years without putting myself into debt, I'd rather do that. i don't really see the point of getting a non business degree if i'll put myself into a position where i'd need to work a non art job for years just to pay off a loan. seems like both options are financially viable, but going to school for business would probably make it harder for me to learn to draw quickly.

>>3337959

> Mapuan

Oh boy I heard some horror stories from other Mapuans who transferred to Benilde. I heard there's a prof that rips your plates in front of your face if he doesn't like it. Is it true? Care to share stories?

Also I felt like I regressed a lot since I couldn't find time to draw and my drawings now are a lot shittier than the ones I did before entering art school :( I'm trying to do self-studies now as much as possible

im applying to architecture positions. finally using that degree. will draw on the side.

>>3338928
I’ve worked with a lot of architects as a mechanical engineering consultant. You’re days are full of meetings coordinating jobs in various stages of design and construction and your nights are full of architectural design. It’s a tough industry, but the pay is good.

>>3325984
A trick i learned:
Draw a reference picture. Or paint, whatever. Then do one of your own with what you learned from the reference pic. Being colors, lines, anatomy or perspective. Each time after you finish a study, do one of your own with what you've learned from doing the study. That way it becomes intrinsic.

>>3336227
wow, its called using references to do your own stuff. Who cares if you borrow from places? If you make it your own by doing your own twist to it, then its cool. Besides, people like what shes/hes doing, so can't blame them for doing it.
Personally i would steal everything i saw if it meant i improved and made cool art. If i sucked at art, it would turn out sucky. Clearly it isnt the case here.

>>3338946
Definitely looking forward to that.. once it comes my way. I'll have to savor the muted flavors of the junior architects career for now

>>3323315
You're more than bad anon, I don't even know how this was possible. And that you've taken your lack of talent and created something as execrable as furry art blows my mind.

>>3323891
$40 I'd have given him 90 minutes max and that would be charity. Tell him to fuck off.

>>3325148
If you needed more than something to make marks with and something to make marks on (ie. a pen and fucking paper), your 'drawing shit' is a waste of fucking time and money. All you faggots that talk about 'your fundamentals' and all the other memes are clearly too fucking stupid to ever make anything worthwhile so all your attempts are worthless, do something else instead.

>>3338710
80% of /ic/ is bad for you. Read this place at your own risk.

>>3338648
?

>spend hours on traditional piece
>fucks it up right when it's almost finished
I hate art so much.

>>3324081

I was just like you,anon, except it was a different fandom. What broke me free was following what I actually wanted to do in the first place: explore my style and painterly side more and do more artistic studies. I hate drawing porn. It's boring and I can't really show it around much.

>>3337062

This shit right here.

>>3338681

Yiffparty.

>>3325290
literally me desu

>>3336061
Big mood ,I'm not good enough to justify buying one yet

>have to do multi media piece
>be a dumbass and lay in a thin wash of oil paint before realizing you can't put any other medium on top of it

>>3339202
my drawing shit is just a sketch pad and pencils

>>3325290
>someone creates a similar character in the meantime
>you finally get around to posting yours
>isn't this just a ripoff of that other guy's character?

Just do it faggot

I have stopped drawing after a year and half of diligent work. I have taken a lot of classes, read and practiced from a few books. I practicality drew every Hampton's drawing in my notebooks. I did some portraits that people said were great (I always disagreed, they lacked soul). Now I have nothing. I can't pick up any drawing medium and draw from imagination or reference. I feel tired, I feel scared that I'll lose my habit and little skill I have gained. I do not feel depressed but somehow empty. I wish to draw, I can't. Send help.

>>3341094
You always lose it after a little while. It'll come back.

The most important thing to learn is the mentality of enjoying drawing despite of the results your getting. You need to be simultaneously happy ("I'm glad it turned out as well as it did") and unsatisfied ("there's still a lot I need to improve") if that makes sense.

It took me a while but I now consider a drawing turning out crappy as a positive thing. It usually means I'm out of my comfort zone and learning.

>>3341185
Hey thanks for your answer! I really appreciate it. I know what you mean, but I never really got that "I like it the way it is" feel, only that I need to improve. I rarely am satisfied with what I do.
I completely agree about the comfort zone thing, I have spent a lot of time stretching the zone but sometimes I feel I didn't learn anything. It's strange.
I hope the will to draw will return to me.