/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

a fuckimg hand

>>3333441
Just don't trace directly from photos or other's work. Go to chaturbate and copy poses from there.

>>3333441
The lengths nips go to find snippets of other drawings that someone might have copied always amaze me.

>3333333

>>3333463
this, its kind of retarded. There are ultimately only so many ways of drawing a good hand pose as part of a pic as holding or gripping something. Ofc course some are going to be similar. Besides, we all copy reality at the end of the day

>>3333441
Wow, this is really sad. I figured the artist had some semblance of how to make believable poses until this.

I mean it's not uncommon to see comic/manga artists heavily reference from other places or just recycle previous artwork, but this is straight up cheating.

>>3333484
These comments are also something else. Poor Trolls Bane sticking it out in this shitstorm.

how do these nips even find out this shit?

>>3333485
You heard it here, folks. People literally don't care whether you trace or not. Better drop your Loomis and start tracing.

>>3333441
1) Yuu is Brazilian.

>>3333488
2) A few weebs > the average person. In general, plagiarism is very much frowned upon.

>>3333441
Have you tried... just not tracing body parts?

>>3333494
Fair enough, I got kinda triggered by the comment section. Any idea how people in Japan responded to this? I couldn't really find any information for some reason.

>>3333469
There's nothing wrong with having a similar pose but when the whole image is ripped off to the point where they're exactly identical super imposed its a problem.

You'd think all that tracing would help his art look less fucking awful.

>>3333486
Pure unedulcorated autism.

Tracing saves time. Why waste your precious time when there's already the perfect pose you need right there ?
The only thing that matters is the result.
That sad artisti should write in their profile that they fuckin love tracing and shit, so when autists come screeching they can just "DUH" at them and look smug.

>>3333519
kek

>>3333441
What a bunch of nothing.

>>3333447
thanks. I dont want to end up in a "I RECOGNIZE THAT DICK" (or hand) situation.

Hunter x hunter mangakaka traced too.

>>3333868
What the shit?
What's the consensus on this stuff? I know there will be people who don't care but this shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

>>3333870
His fans dont care lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/1g1kx3/togashi_tracing_from_a_mens_fashion_magazine/
TIME TO DITCH LOOMIS AND FUNDIES, and become time efficient like famous mangakaka, since your fans will be too blinded by love to care.

I bet many mangakaka do it but its just that they dont get caught. Togashi was only caught cuz a boys love mangakaka was caught using the same magazine as "reference"

>>3333870
>this shouldn't be allowed in the first place.
According to who? Autistic crabs on /ic/? No rules, only tools.

>>3333505
How about this image? I thought that flipping the image and changing the character's heights was enough! Time for me to delete my entire DA.

>>3333879
>cant tell if youre serious or memein

Is this bad?

NGNL artstyle is so ugly even without the tracing

I don't understand how people find that appealing

>>3333488
>unironically showing a conversation between two autists

>>3333924
No, the end product is the only thing that matters. Stop listening to crabs on /ic/ who just want you to waste the same amount of time they did getting nowhere.

>>3333927
>ARTIST MINDSET:
what the fuck, you just literally traced my work though that means I can trace yours too? I UwU your OwO *slurps*
(if the tracer is way better than the artist)
OMG! Senpai noticed me OwO!
>FARTIST MINDSET:
what the fuck, you just literally traced my work. I'll sue you in the dark military courts or UNHR court of universe.
>FAN-GAY MINDSET:
what the fuck, they just literally traced my lord and savior *insertartfagnamehandlehere's* work! OMG. fucking shit! FANWARS NOW!
>TRUE-FAN MINDSET:
what the fuck, I get to eat two cakes. I don't care, just keep 'em coming, I don't care if they're shaped the same or not, just fatten me up my senpai-tachi~ *burp*

This pisses me off because it could be a coincidence, what if someone accidentally replicates a pose from somewhere else? There's only so many ways an anime girl can bend over you stupid fucks.

>>3333333

>>3333441
>>3333868

Only mangaka are allowed to trace sometimes, and use screentones to get an instant effects. They actually grinded their fundies, and know how to make aesthetic images.

If you're a regular normie animu "artist" who traces, then you're just an absolute talentless hack who deserves being called out.

>>3333924
It's not bad. Just mediocre.

There are so many interesting ways to set a scene in a train wagon, but the author instead chose to use a generic photograph.

See, mangaka are more prone to tracing and copying because commercial manga are not really a medium of visual art. They're a medium of story telling, and the art is a means to that end. Which means that the drawings will only concern themselves with representing what is literally happening in the story, rather than composing an interesting image.

>>3333945
If you're looking at two identical pieces of art, you're only looking at one piece of art. Are you retarded?

That's like saying that copy and pasting artwork creates more artwork.

>>3333955
All people look like people.
YOU are a walking plagiarist in a philosophical sense.
Prove me wrong or neck yourself.

Your point is only applicable if:
>the art work is patent protected
>the art work reserved or clearly stated its full rights before entering public domain or publishing
most rights are even passed onto the publisher or the consumer/lessor.
They don't care, I don't see companies suing artists left and right like on the mobile meme market where it is definitely relevant for market share. The cost is more than the productivity it can burn.
Maybe become a politician so you can enforce your "persecution complex" and wallow into your little world.

Just trace away bro. Most retards will argue that it's not at trace as long as it's not a 1:1 copy of an entire drawing. Also, the majority usually doesn't care when an artist with a following gets caught. For example: https://twitter.com/aorticinkwell/status/967981126697476101

>>3333971
You're clearly too retarded to even have any reading comprehension.

This has nothing to do with law. Simply put, by copying an existin work, you're not creating anything. You're just pissing away your effort replicating what has already existed and wasting everybody's time, yours and the viewer's.

>>3333868
Hunter x Hunter is drawn literally by ONE guy

I think is wrong but frum the bunch he is the closest to the "dindunuffing" cluster

>>3334035
That's not true. Watch Togashi's Jump Ryu special (it's on youtube). He has a staff of assistants. He's not as young as he was working on YYH, times have changed.

Wait did he trace or copy? I know both are bad but I think tracing is worse.
Which one was it?

>>3334015
Not him but that's kind of a narrow mindset for art. Untitled (cowboy) is literally a photo of a photograph and is widely regarded as one of the most influential images of all time. In any case, the derivative work isn't identical to the original even though it was traced so I'm not sure your original point has any ground to stand on.

>>3334084
>Not him but that's kind of a narrow mindset for art.
You can fuck off back to tumblr or your university safe space. Lazy art is not welcome here.

>>3334092
I mean, I would hazard to say you're the one who's still in university with your mindset. If you're not then that's a bit depressing.

>>3333520
>not sure if trying to make up a new word or spell "unadulterated".

Copying or tracing is bad because there's often a lot more to a drawing than just creating a Frankenstein's monster of perfect parts. The originals if done by a good artist often have something the copies lack, like the knowledge of composition, leading the viewers's eye, flow, etc.

The copies end up being soulless and largely unremarkable even if at first glance they seem professional.

>>3333526
Goddamn you I want to hate you but your post made me laugh.

>>3334234
There's nothing wrong with either, faggot. The issue is when you develop a crutch and you can only copy and trace.

>>3334238
>the absolute state of /ic/

You are obviously the faggot here so let me illustrate it in terms you understand. You can enjoy junk food made from waste products and then spiced up. You might even survive on it and think it's the best in the world. If you want to enjoy it then I'll let you.

If you're an artist then you are double fucked though because food and art are similar in one aspect: What you consume will affect your growth. Not my problem though.

>>3334250
>comparing eating to drawing
Jesus fucking Christ, that level of autism.

>>3334250
What a shitty analogy.
There are many artist that began tracing or copying. Not everyone began with fucking Loomis. God you must have no friends with the way you argue.

>>3334252
>sperging out over a simple comparison
That's actually something a real autist would do.

>>3334255
many professional traced and copied while learning. It's often advised even. But if you think that has anything to do with the post you quoted then you can't read properly.

>>3334084
This is semantics at this point.
A derivative work that adds something can stand on its own. And by that I don't mean execution, I mean conceptually.

As far as a copy of an anime character goes, if it accomplishes exactly the same things as the original, even if the details are changed, hell, even if it's not traced and merely copied, it's still pointless.

>>3334259
>you can't read properly.
No, it's you who can't read properly. The post implies that tracing and copying is bad when you developed a cruch for it aka you fucked up while learning because you didn't branch. You, probably ESL as fuck, just went on a psychotic sperg and made a crappy analogy because you cannot argue in the English language, nor can you properly grasp it.

There's literally no reason to trace or copy even for learning purposes.

How about instead of tracing, you use the picture as inspiration and make something original based on that? It provides all the skill benefits that tracing does, plus skills that are omitted when you trace, like measuring by eye.

>>3334250
>it will affect your growth.
No it won't you virtue signalling faggot.

>>3334266
post work

>>3334266
Time.

Doing what you said = 4+ hours.

Doing what mangaka do = literally minutes.

When you've got 100+ finished drawings due every single week, you don't have the luxury of "taking your time" with ONE drawing.

>>3334266
People will still slam you for doing that. That's the way the internet works.

>>3334078
Neither is bad, /ic/ is just full of retards.

>>3334260
You're talking as if there's some sort of arbiter that determines whether a piece of work is or is not pointless. I gave an extreme example; Untitled (cowboy) is literally a photograph of a photograph. The elements within the piece are exactly the same as the original and yet people still managed to glean more meaning out of it that they didn't feel for the original. If a derivative work actually changes physical elements then it's completely reasonable for someone to get something new out of it that they couldn't get out of the original. Does commercial art contribute anything original? After all, it is a field full of unoriginality. Is it still pointless? No, it very clearly serves a purpose outside of being satisfying some "originality" quota. Anyways, the point here is that defining the worth of art by whether it meets some arbitrary standard of "originality" is a ridiculous notion.

You're free to have your own opinions though.

>>3333946
I know its stupid but I genuinely fear someone will accuse me of tracing simply because I used the same reference as someone else. I've seen accusations where the lines didn't even overlap and people just went "omg he just liquified it afterwards to cover it up!!!!"

>>3334270
So you're saying manga is mass produced trash.

Also, there are plenty of mangakas who do not trace. Even the big 3, for example. I guess those new age mangakas who grew up with computers, have no talent or work ethic have to resort to tracing and then make excuses.

>>3334274
Neither is bad, it will just ruin your career and reputation and you have to constantly live with imposter syndrome.

>2014
what a shitty thread
https://twitter.com/Krabat__/status/965591650444587008

>>3334270
There is a pretty clear consensus about how Japan sees this issue. If you are a mangaka, you are expected to go location hunting, take your own photos of whatever it is you need and then you can trace and copy those to your hearts content and nobody will give a shit. That's the standard process what most mangaka do.

Copying or tracing someone elses art or photos however is heavily frowned upon in Japan and there even have been a few cases of mangaka having their series cancelled because of it. So you have to make the decision if you think saving some time is worth risking flushing your entire career down the toilet.

>tfw accused of tracing for drawing on model
fuck this gay earth.

>>3333868

>Comparing using pictures of real people as reference to straight up tracing other people's artwork

>>3334298
People are retarded.

>>3334303
>>3334303
>>3334320
>>3334330
It's pretty evident most people don't give a fuck based on what we've seen ITT. Only autists with too much time on their hands care.

>>3333441
The eternal HUE strikes again

>>3334262
This has to be one of the most autistic posts I've seen on /ic/.

>>3333881
OH NO NO NO
see this, it's impossible to trace without getting caught
pack it up boys

Tracing or copying other people's work and selling it as your own is the single shittiest and scummiest thing you can do in art. Period.

To clarify, using references or other shortcuts (3D programs, photos, etc.) is not necessarily wrong, especially when you need to shit out a huge amount of work in a short period of time which is what mangakas do.

But there is no excuse for shit like this >>3333484 it's straight up plagiarism.

>>3334320
No one but /ic/ cares about copying other people's work.
Fuck bara artist do all the fucking time and no one calls them on their shit.

It's only when you trace that people come after you.

> imposter syndrome.
I'm pretty sure that spic that copies Mazjojo doesn't care about that and is more interested in feeding himself in the shithole that is Venezuela.

>>3333946
It's not just the pose you fucktard, the chances of so many lines overlapping like that are absymal.

>There's only so many ways an anime girl can bend over you stupid fucks
how do I know that you are a complete /beg/ who doesn't even draw? The range of motions of the human body are extremely high, add in the fact that no one has the same exact body structure and add in stylization which actually by definition is something personal and unique of the individual. You end up with an almost limitless amount of variations.

>>3334756
>>3334298
>>3334474
Genuinely kill yourselves. Art is all about creating something personal, spending years of your life training your craft, developing a style and using your creativity to come up with something unique, it's obvious why some cuck just tracing over it and pretending it's his work it's considered wrong. But you useless shits don't even draw and you are here just to shitpost.

>>3334775
I'm not defending his bullshit. I'm merely stating a fact.
Oh wow we can't state facts here anymore with some aspire like you getting butthurt? Is this Tumblr?

>>3334835
*without some aspie

>>3334835
>gets shut down
>"y-you're just some autist f-from Tumblr! Stay away before you get hurt, baka!"

>>3334840
How did you shut me down?
All you did was link some posts and threw a mindless tirade. But believe whatever you want to believe in I guess. It's no use talking to a mental retard.

>>3334775
post work

>there's only SO MANY POSES that exist

how fucking /beg/ tier do you have to be to think that lol

>>3335016
i mean it is kinda true unless you wanna start breaking bones and stuff.

>>3334775
Holy crap one guy you linked to was talking about how people were accusing him. He didn't have a fucking stance on this argument.
You need to kys.

>>3335047
the only thing true about this is how much of a fucking shitty artist you have to be to even begin to think that
please fuck off and never return thanks

>>3335092
post work

>What's wrong with stealing jokes from other comedians? Amy Schumer does it and she is a solid example of quality comedy people respect and only ''''''''''''''virgins'''''''''''''' ever criticize her

>>3335114
Most comedians, especially today, are fucking awful.
She only gets defended because she is an SJW and has a vagina.

Doubt the OP artist is either.

and here i thought all mangaka were pure

considering the workload mangaka have to deal with I don't blame any of them for tracing

>>3335098
better than anything you can do

>>3335135
>zoomed in pencil chickenscratch that's 90% unfinished
This is the artist equivalent of the myspace angle you embarrassing fatass

>>3335151
you do realize that 1 its not his and 2 its ruan jias and 3 still draws better than you

>>3335154
You do realize that everything you said is irrelevant because the point still stands - that he chose a shitty picture? You thought you were getting a "gotcha" moment with the oldest trick on/ic/ you pathetic retard?

>>3335135
>>3335151
lol

>>3333441

>>3335160
this

>>3333441
>How to not get caught photbashing/ tracing body parts?
You learn to draw from memory.
Also, please stop opening bait threads, you absolute piece of shit.

>>3335173
>almost any pose you can think of has already been drawn by some other manga artist
is this true

>>3335203

>>3335206
I've seen this dumb pose in other medium, is this where it originates from?

>>3333868

REF

>>3333441
I don't really care if they traced. It looks nice.

>>3335284
good bait

>>3335284
This.

it's like nobody on this board knows what constructive drawing is

I used to think the people saying "loomis is a meme don't follow loomis" were just joking, but with how ignorant you shits in this thread are I'm beginning to think that those people have been serious

>>3333485
>anime's
This triggers me the most in this pic.

>>3333441
It seems to me that it would take less time and effort to learn anatomy than it would to compile a huge catalog of images and have to dig through them every time you struggle with something, in the hopes of finding just the right body parts in just the right poses.

>>3335206
>>3335173
SAVED

Every shitty crab ITT just got absolutely btfo. This will come in handy for future debates.

>>3335515
>t-t-this c-c-c-c-cMANGTA will b-b-b-blew them the ff-ff-f-f-HECK out!!!!

it's a pretty shitty way to draw with equally shitty results, but if you want to be a shitty artist it's definitely a way to go about it

>>3335515
What debates? That you think tracing someone elses work is actually an acceptable thing to do? You're still alone on that one, sorry.

>>3335540
Fuck off retard.

Why you gotta be such a jealous faggot?

>>3335515
You do realize that's a comedic manga right? Plenty of mangaka have been filmed doing their stuff, without tracing.
Some do, some don't. Good luck tracing Osamu Tezuka for your borderline h manga full of moe qties.

>>3335515
The thing is, it's just not worth the risk. Take the mangaka of Prism for example. He had his manga cancelled because he was tracing fashion magazine photos, he wasn't even tracing other artists and his reputation still got ruined. That tongue in cheek commentary of this 30 year old gag manga sure as hell didn't help him make his case to his publisher and his fans.

Learning to draw human figures adequately is fairly easy anyway and you have many legitimate ways of helping you visualize a pose, like using mannequins, 3d poser programs, using the thousands of stock photos and pose books you can buy, or simply posing yourself. And as far as backgrounds go, the result is almost always better if you use photos you took yourself.

>>3335544
>y-y-y-your ju-u-j-juuussst JELAOUYS yes that's i-i-i-itt!!! PEE-PEE-PEE-PEEOST your work snipsnip!!!

go be tasteless elsewhere
crabs like you aren't even fit for eating

>>3335544
What would he be jealous about? You not being able to draw anything by yourself?

>>3335558
Post your work faggot.

>>3335562
I would, but since I don't trace I don't expect you to appreciate it :^)

>>3335206
stealing is the essence of literally every art medium

>>3335597
"stealing" is not the same as literally stealing.

Lmao just use CSP 3D models / DesignDoll / Daz3D and trace that

Nobody can claim it's traced if you're the one who posed the ragdoll.

>>3335568
>t. /beg/-tier crab

>>3333441
A
FUCKING
HAND

Jesus Christ. Honestly I've traced hands from photos too and this makes me spooked to be found by the nip police. How the fuck do they figure it out? There's only so many poses the hand can do.

>>3333934
its sad, you dont have to do 200 pages a week for a living. At this point just do a photobook

3d models

>>3335621
>There's only so many poses the hand can do.

That's weird. I've draw a lot of hands and they always look different.

>>3335637
Stop being a /beg/inner

>>3334270
well you dont have to do 100 plus pages a week so you are not excused

>>3335638
If all your hands look the same then I think you are the beginner.

>>3335621
Someone probably found his pixiv account and the artists he followed there.

>>3333441
how is this guy not capable of doing an hand by himself?

>only so many poses exist

Man that's the kind of stupid you can't even try to reason with.

>>3335643
Post your work.

>>3335639
And what if I did?

>>3335173
>>3335206
Using references isn't really tracing

>>3335675
you wouldnt waste your time shitposting here

Fucking amateur. All he had to to was make some extremely minor variations so he could play it off as using reference.

>>3333447
This.
Use camgirl as reference.
I have several videos that I use as reference.
That way you get to chose the body of your model and it looks natural.

>>3333924
This is something completely different as these are photos taken directly by the artists who work for the project when they go location hunting. They aren't relying on google images or on other artist's depictions of a train interior, they went out and took photos themselves from all the angles they could possibly need.

>>3334775
why do people like you post blatantly wrong stuff all the time? What's your agenda or are you actually stupid

>>3333441
>How to not get caught photobashing/ tracing body parts?
Stop giving a shit if autists find a small parts of your image that are similar/the same as another.

/thread

>>3336025
Try drawing ONCE in your shitty lifetime or actually use your eyes to look at art instead of just furiously masturbating. There is no fucking way for two drawing to overlay like that, just a degree of change in perspective, different lenses, a slight twist of the leg or the body, a thicker thigh, a different style, all of these make so that overlapping becomes almost impossible when drawing the human form.

>>3333924
>>hey /ic/ how to draw this environment scene?
>obviously you need to spend the next three years mastering inverse neo-auxiliary perspective

>>3335314
enlight us

>>3335672
? k

Let me see your work now then so I can see at what master level hands start to look the same.

>>3336109
weeb destroied

>>3335135
i honestly hope this is a joke

>>3333868
offtopic but those look kinda fuckin cool when overlayed

>>3333881
Who are these nips? Are they the /ic/ of the Japanese world?

>>3334376

>>3336109
Sure.

>>3333441

Stuff like this doesn't require any attention, and is essentially trolling. it's like bitching about Monet 'copying' the way a tree looks. Autism at its worst.

>>3336631
fucking hell i love monet so much

>>3336631
People, PLEASE don't fall for this bait, I just know someone will.

>>3336631
nice bait

>>3336109
Not that guy and I agree with your point, but I just wanted to point out that the middle finger of the right hand is very poorly proportioned.

>>3333441
what's the name of the artist of left pic?

>>3338020
I guess. Just did a quick eye measurement of 3/2 3/2 along the top for that finger. I can tell you what caused it being off looking at it now: I drew all 3 fingers in the rear too long.

>>3335621
There are tons of would be artist in Japan and their eye sight has become sharp as fuck when it comes to tracing.

>>3336111
trips confirm weeb = "destroied"

>>3336111
>destroied

>>3333484
>that character on the right
literally looks like a deviantart abomination wtf

>>3335636
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

THAT'S WHY that manga is so goddamn good when it comes to figure drawing and angles. I'm not even mad, this is amazing.

>>3339350
Did you think people were memeing when they said to use 3D models/photobash? If you don't use the technology available to you because it might upset some dinosaurs and their outdate ddogma, you're only going to fall behind.

>>3339350
mangastudio lets you import and create rudimentary 3d models for tracing/reference dontcha know

>>3339350
same process was done with gantz

>>3336041
Post work or stfu crab.

>>3336241
Fucking nipcrabs are tracing mai waifus!

>>3333447
>Go to chaturbate and copy poses from there.
This

>>3339383
Yeah but for some reason I think Gantz kinda goes for the lazy route. I remenber reading it some 4 years ago and thinking all the muscles were amazing. Now you can see very clearly it's traced over some model. Inuyashiki is absolutely terrible in this regard.
Prison School at least hides it much, much better. Same with anything by Inio Asano. Dude traces over every background, but goes to amazing lenghts to make it look great.

>>3333441
If it matters to you, then don't do it, because you'll get caught.

Tracing is like using steroids. Get busted once, and a shadow is cast over your entire body of work, even without evidence. That asterisk will follow you.

>>3333881
it's amazing they found out this one

>>3339350
I tried using those CSP models a couple of times. Changed the proportions to more european, posed them as natural as you could since they don't really bend the same as humans, set a nice FOV. Didn't even trace them 1:1, still exaggerated the perspective a tiny bit to make them more dynamic, folded clothes in a away that would flow nicely.

Yet the results were fucking atrocious, came out as the stiffest, least appealing pictures I ever drew. Organic, genuine feel is so much more important than flawless geometry, don't let the crabs tell you otherwise.

>>3340861
You’re just shit at posing the model. Also you seems to lack the skills to begin with to make something solid out of it.

>>3333868
I always thought togashis art was ass for the most part so its weird that he copied
>>3333878
Theres like no people in that thread defending him

>>3340899

>>3333441
>literally they position of fingers grasping something

What is the way someone holds a pen copywrited now?

>>3340942
Copying it exactly pixel by pixel is the problem.

>>3339375
I did in fact know this

useful feature

>>3340890
>You’re just shit at posing the model
share ur 10/10 rigs with accurate bone and muscle structure then

>>3333447
I-I have no words on how much ingenious this is, holy shit.

>>3335178
This was the first thread Ive made in months, I was concerned since i have the bad habit of copying bodyparts like hands when im lazy, and now I have imposter syndrome after reading that artist cuz if i ever get popular , there is a chance ill get found out.
Also I havent posted o this thread for 8 days, im surprised its still here.

>>3340861
That is because that's not what he's using. He's using a Poser model, CSP default models does suck dicks

>>3333484
i cant even understand wath that thing on the right is

Calm down.
He not tracing, guys. He only used the same models on Clip Studio.

It is very common on japanese industry.

>>3333441

Dumbass

only acceptable thing to trace when it comes to manga's and anime is your own old work and environments/buildings/vehicles

>>3333441

So is it tracing or copying?

You shouldn't trace but i don't see how copying a pose would be that big of a problem. I mean, you can see that these are definitely different works of art. It's just a damn hand.

>>3344298
it's tracing

you can copy a pose and not have it be the EXACT same angle/proportions etc

>>3339375
>>3339350

It isn't "tracing".
Only substitute basic construct forms / pose dolls, to gain time and productivity.

Still study anatomy and still study how use constructs and still study perspective and still study gestures and still study clothes and still study render and still study all, to be an great ilustrador.
Use an tool or another, don't change the game.

>>3344304
>ilustrator

Fix.

If youre gonna trace, go deep into google search. dont be like this idiot.

Hes just memeing at this point

>>3333441
Get caught. Just copy-paste some relevant arguments as a justification.
Why do you care about people noticing you traced? You already know it.
Do you think people care about you tracing?

This thread really opened my eyes on how fucking retarded and clueless this board is about art.

People not knowing the difference between using a reference and copying, people thinking that it's normal for two part to perfectly overlap because "there aren't that many ways to draw an anime girl", people not knowing the difference between an illustrator or a manga/comic artist.

>>3344962
greg land is a national treasure

>>3344962
Who cares, it's just some background character

Even if there are "only so many poses a person can do," think about all the angles you could draw it from. And the fact that entire sections of the drawing line up exactly. He obviously thought he was being clever when he turned their heads or limbs slightly, but insane diligence has paid off for those who wanted to prove he was tracing/copying line for line.

>Start out drawing and be told that you'll start out by copying how others do things and eventually your own style will develop
>Do this
>Get called a fraud because your work is derivative

I don't understand.

>>3348074
Stop listening to crabs on /ic/. No rules, only tools, it's standard in the industry to trace/photobash to improve workflow. Tracing doesn't mean you copy 1:1, just use it as the base of the picture and it'll save you an immense amount of time.

If you don't do this obsessively you're not going to make it. I trace photos, copy paste an anime head on it, trace that, and then colorpick from art like pic related to render it. Ez Pz. 1k notes in a day, no problemo.

Just make the tits bigger, add a gadget or too and change the hair a little. Nobody will ever know. Everyone out there is tracing from everyone else anyway. No reason to be autistic about integrity.

I genuinely don't know how many of you are trolling and how many are just fucktards unironically defending their shitty crutch. I don't know which is worse honestly but whatever it's impossible to discuss anything anymore here. Good job you killed a dead board.

>>3348087
>muh crutch
How's that tablet and digital painting program working out for you? Use a ruler? Lightbox? Fucking idiot, real artists scratch cave drawings using their fingernails.

>>3348084
Holy shit you color pick from Rei too? I suppose she is a master of color.

>>3335173
Sounds about right, Japan at one point didn't understand the concept of copyright and would get way with stuff like this.

>>3348100
You must be really retarded if you don't see the difference between a good chef using some performant cookers and one buying food from another restaurant and claiming it's his own or a student using a more effective book to study for a test and one just copying the answers from his classmate.

I wonder why even becoming an artist if you aren't even going to learn how to do it and instead you just slap your name on other people's works. It's just miserable.

>>3348107
What makes someone a master of color?

Easy, be openly unappologetic about it.

>>3348263
how creepy

>>3348263
What's the second image? Daz3D?

>>3348263
>didn't even bother to properly trace the hat
What a hack, actually painting it

>>3348278
Hahaha no, as if he'd spend all that time creating a perfect 3d render JUST to trace over it to make 2d. It's just a regular old blow up doll, here's a pic of his setup for reference. He's actually featured on pixiv atm if you wanna see the whole thing
https://www.pixiv.net/fanbox/user/16798839/entry/2797

>>3333868
>Drawing from reference is cheating now

>>3348293
Yes, tracing directly onto a photo and adding your own little details instead of taking the time to freehand the pose you want is unethical but I wouldn't say ((cheating)). Pro's have already won the game and get a pass imo.

>>3348289
Such nice comments.

>>3348289
This. If you guys are afraid of getting called out for tracing by westerners, just make your work appeal to a japanese audience. They literally do not care as long as you dont trace other artist' work. Dolls are fair game

>>3348316
How to make your work appeal to a japanese audience

>>3348316
>>3348325
the finish is half the work anyhow. people only get hung up over tracing because you said some racist shit in the past or because your piece is so mediocre that tracing is the only talking point

>>3348335
>tfw too bad to even get called out over this

>>3348325
Just do what everyone is doing on pixiv i guess

>>3348074
Copying someone to learn how they achieved their end result != copying and pasting someone else's work and claiming it is yours. There is a reason copyright laws exist in the way they do. Derivative works that significantly change the meaning or purpose of something are protected. For example, copying a rhythm in a song and putting it in yours that is otherwise entirely different, or referencing a pose. Works that are literal copypaste jobs are not protected. Like renaming an mp3 file and claiming you made the song, or tracing someone else's work.

>>3334266
>There's literally no reason to trace or copy even for learning purposes
I use to believe this and it held me back because you can learn a lot from tracing someone else's work, its part of studying. I trace an artist work I like, then I open a new canvas and redraw it the best I can without looking back at the picture I just traced. I would only use this for learning though. Also while I'm at it when I'm working on a piece and can't figure something out I look at multiple references so I can get a good idea of what it should look like and go from there. So many anons on /ic/ stay shit because they don't know how to study right. That being said doing stuff like tracing someone else's work and adding a wig and some clothes is bad.

>>3335636
>>3339350
Whats the point in gitting gud when those shortcut exist?

>>3333441
>How to not get caught photbashing/ tracing body parts?
You don't photobash/trace body parts.

also gr8b8m8

>>3348293
He traced. A boys love mangakaka got her mango CANCELED from tracing from the same mag as the HxH guy did, but the HxH guy gets off free.

>>3348223
Her rendering is always just right. Just look at the muted, soothing tones set atop those perfect waves of fabric.

Compare this to the common retina burning, noob art on deviantart. That saturated nonsense begs for attention. Rei's matured palette, otoh is imbued with the essence of color theory. Its quiet, like a beautiful and demure lady in the midst of a crowd. You will notice her, you senpai. Gentle spikes in saturation draw the eyes to key elements of her composition.

>>3348325

Draw boatshit exclusively

>>3349581
Is KanColle dead? Is Azur Lane the new exclusive boatshit?

>>3349512
>A boys love mangakaka got her mango CANCELED
Who?
Source

>>3349512
>yaoi
Good riddance.

>>3348084
>If you don't do this obsessively you're not going to make it. I trace photos, copy paste an anime head on it, trace that, and then colorpick from art like pic related to render it
> Ez Pz. 1k notes in a day, no problemo.
Is this you? Or can you proof your 1k notes per day?

>>3350176

>>3350170
Wasn't it the haru wo daite ita author?

>>3350176
Seeing as both those artists don't know how to draw a simple ocean background, they both traced.

>>3350180
Oh well looks like it's magazine choice to cancel her manga. Big fuss over nothing. NGNL author apologized and that's all for example. It's like deal with Ufotable studio when they made big fuss over harmless joke in twitter for no reason.
>Be-Boy Gold magazine
>HxH

>>3350202
10/10 logic

>>3333870
allowed by who? what the fuck are you talking about? there is no art police you fucking moron

>>3333870
Sales matter more than a little bit of copying. Editor approved and all. Why would people care anyways? They read for the story and compelling action, the art is just the medium by which it's done. By any count, people would prefer Togashi copy if it meant the manga not going on hiatus for months.

>>3350245
>sales matter
hoo boy I am laffin

>>3333441
Great artists steal ..........and dont get caught.

Steal from livecam shows

>>3350778
pablo picasso was great at drawing though
drawing money out of his bank account that was filled with dumb shits who thought they were funding a whole new wave of art with the con story that is his whole life

The fuck have I been doing with my life drawing like the dinos I need to get on this copy game.

>>3335636
How the fk do people trace 3d and get it to look good, tried daz and ends up worse than freehand

>>3351022
You have to already be good and understand how to properly use reference.

>>3350838
can you prove he could draw after he left his fathers house as a teenager?

>>3350896
at this point we can start writing our own shit in the baloons and we have our personal manga

>>3350778
>Steal from livecam shows
what?

>>3350202
houtengeki really can't draw backgrounds for shit

>>3333441
Don't steal.

>>3351355
>all dat shit anatomy
he can't even trace photo

>>3351272
Weren't most of the old doujinshi like that? Some random "translator" would just make up story that would kind of fit with what's on page?

>>3333868
I hope naoko didn't copy more than her fashion designs as well.. those were pretty obvious

>>3348263
made the tits bigger

>>3348299
>freehand the pose you want is unethical
lol what

This isn't the 16th century anymore, people got shit to do. If you can't do it freehand, then tracing it/painting over is going to look like absolute shit. Illustrations are not academia, it's ok to take shortcuts. The people that take shortcuts are also the people that can do it freehand no problem, it just helps save time.

PIC RELATED: The one on the left was done freehand while the one on the right was a few filters thrown on top of one another. I could have cleaned up the one on the right a little bit more but it still would have been faster than freehanding it.

If the results are exaccttlyyyy the same, then why the fuck would it matter that someone saved a little time? Again, the kind of things you are talking about can't be done properly unless those skills were earned first.

>>3352085
are you saying that doesn't look like a photo with a few filters, because it does.

>>3352095
No, I'm not. In fact, I said
> I could have cleaned up the one on the right a little bit more but it still would have been faster than freehanding it.
But thanks for trying.

>>3352085
i see the point you're trying to make but i also feel like i gotta tell you that the one you freehanded looks better, probably because of stylistic consistency. im sure if you DID clean up the one on the right a bit more you could achieve a look similar to the one on the left, but to me it seems like a hassle to have to get rid of all the inconsistent textures and whatnot.

/ic/ Bingo, guys

>>3333557
>Kek

>>3335098
>Post work

>>3335135
>Not poster own drawing

>>3333488
>Loomis

>>3333878
>Reddit

Free space
People calling each other
>Autist
>Retard
>Begginer
To prove ther opinion based on shit, when themselves are retarded begginer autists. (Myself included)

Ding ding ding! This is a true /ic/ thread

u-unplayable

I think this is a common practice in nippon land. They trace backgrounds in manga all the time, idk why you guys are so hung up about it. Maybe the creator was saving time, by photobashing and tracing. Nobody mocks inio when he traces backgrounds.

>>3352918
Inio doesn't trace backgrounds, he straight up takes photographs and edits them until they look like they'd fit in a manga. The key parts here are that he owns the photographs and doesn't pretend they aren't just edited photographs.

it's just a tribute

>>3352918
The japanese are actually even worse than /ic/ when it comes to this. Some mangaka had their work cancelled because they were found out as tracers. Obviously taking your own photos like what Inio does is perfectly okay and no one cares what you do with them. But stealing art from other artists is a big risk for mangaka, unless you want to live in constant fear of having your career and reputation ruined over some traced figure you were too lazy to draw yourself.

>>3353644
>Some mangaka had their work cancelled because they were found out as tracers
Name 5 of them

>>3333924
>>3333952
It's not unoriginal tracing if it's there. Kyoani will choose real world locations for their shows, take pictures themselves, and those will be the backgrounds.
The real K-on school is still being besieged by otakus till this day. They've embraced it by now.

>>3353663
>unoriginal tracing
man
anime fans are fucking retarded

>>3335374
>expecting weebs not to be drooling mongoloid underage