/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Go sleep, Mike.

But, your work is very beautiful. I like it. Congrats.

>>3331885
I wouldn't ask about money if I were Mike.

>>3331870
I mean, he works for Blizzard, Valve, Riot etc. I'm sure they pay well enough. And obviously he's considered good.

>>3331870
I remember when he won some crimson dagger contest.

>>3331922
How much do they pay?

>>3332021
Stop asking this you fucking retard, no one here can give you a solid figure

He's fucking amazing. Probably comfortably makes 40-80k.

>>3332024
It takes literally one person that worked for either companies to answer, so it's not stupid to ask.

Kill yourself you fucking nigger.

>>3332048
>40-80k

That's very little.

>>3332065
look it up then faggot. those that actually worked for those companies wouldn't be posting on /ic/

>>3332089
There's only some general info about salaries that are just estimate anyway. Nothing about prices per pieces or anything like that. How much can you get for pic rel for example?

>>3332115
i've heard 10k per painting like this, no idea where that number comes from though so dont take my word for it.
But taking into consideration that these pieces can take anywhere from 3-6 weeks to complete that number isnt so far out there.

>>3332121
not 10k at all, those numbers are way off. At most 1400

>>3332121
>i've heard 10k
You heard wrong.

>>3332048
He makes AT LEAST 150k, prob close to 200.

>>3332126
>>3332125
10k per piece if his hourly rate is 62 bucks and it takes 4 work weeks i.e 8 hrs for 5 days a week, not all that crazy honestly.

>>3332278
I highly doubt he worked THAT much for this single piece.

>>3332282
idk man, thumbnailing and sketching probably takes about half a week or maybe a week if Riot's being really picky, and then rendering one of these riot style splashes takes a fucking life time regardless of your skill level.
Azevedo though from what i've seen doesnt render his splashes that much but still takes it to a pretty good level and then hands it over to some of the artists over at riot who do some adjustments and render the rest of it since Mike's style wouldn't fit in with the rest of the art

>>3332121
This isn't RuanJia or whatever, and looking at the piece it surely took less than 2 weeks. I believe I have a process vid/ step by step somewhere, and I think he said that it took around 30h + some client wishes.

And no, definitely FAR from 10k per piece wtf..
An established professional get's around 1500-3000 per such a piece (and it's a set agreement/price, there is no lazying around and letting an extra week go by for some extra cash. If you're slow, you gonna lose another offer by a different client, so it's all on you).

Also Chinese/Malaysia/Singapore/Korea earn less than westerners, and I mean when they happen to be invited an employed in US and Canada. It's like "Well we have given them an opportunity for a better life, dragged them out of their asian hut, and are paying them much better then they ever could hope to get in their home country.. if they would even be able to get a job that is" which sucks ofc, but that's how it works (plenty of asian resources) and that's why no one ever gives out their actual earnings, not that it's just in the contract, but it could create a heated situation within the studio.

>>3332275
120 max, he isn't an art director or similar

>>3332286
It takes around 30-40 hours from thumbnailing to finish. Not 160 like you're suggesting. And waiting for riot to respond doesn't count as time they pay you.

>>3332121
>i've heard 10k per painting like this

sixmorevodka charges easily 10k for highly rendered splash art they do for riot. but that's probably not a price individual freelancers can command, even if they're super amazing.

>>3332275
yes yes i'd agree. i didn't even know who he was freelancing for when i gave my 40-80k estimate. i did mean however that that's an amout i'm confident he can make easily and without breaking a sweat. if i try really really hard i can get to around 4k a month, but the low effort income i get from jobs that trickle in and lower budget clients that are easy to satisfy and don't require much concentration is around 2k. i'm lazy as fuck so i only make my 30k a year instead of pushing myself.

I know Mike and Even amundsen personally, and more or less I can tell they earn 7k/month or so, these guys make serious money.

>>3332358
That's... very little for what they do

>>3332347
Are you working on some heavy rendered images or more stylized and simple?

>>3332369
a lot if you live in brazil though

>>3331870
He's fine. Wish he wasn't so creatively bankrupt.

>>3332358
That's fucking nothing considering that they are the 1% working for some of the biggest gaming companies. I mean, there are porn artists making more.

>>3332358
That's shit. Ilya Kuvshinov gets more by drawing some simple portraits on his patreon.

>>3332115
I don't work at Riot but my studio outsources for work similar to that painting and I hear they pay around 5-6k per painting. I never got paid that much when freelancing but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.

>>3332421
Not really, cost of living is higher here

>>3331870
goddamn.
My dream is basically to be as good as this guy. I love all his stuff

>>3332375

more stylised and simple. casual games.

>>3332620
>7,000 USD = over 21,000 BRL

Literally making more than people with administrative jobs in multinational corporations.

t. worked on one of those for seven years.

>>3332369
Just how out of touch are you with the real world? That's more money than 90% of physician, engineers or lawyers make here in western Europe.

>>3332620
Then how do the 99.9% of people who live in Brazil and make less than 7 grand a month survive?

>>3332940

It's not that simple. A freelance artist making 7k in the US can't be considered to be doing better than a physician employed at a hospital in western europe making... say... 5k.

I've done quite a bit of math on this, while considering different living situations (and countries, i have three citizenships so for me freelancing and where i live is a complex decision). in western europe salaries are shit compared to the us but you get juicy pensions, employee rights are much better, you get healthcare compensation, sometimes employers provide you with a car that you can (within conditions) use privately, more paid vacation, paid further education, maternal/paternal paid leave etc etc. It's a very complex game of maths but at the end of the day I'd actually agree with anon that if Mike was making 7k a month working for riot, blizzard, other AAA studios, it's actually not good money. Were he making that being employed, good money indeed. As a freelancer desu it's not considering how skilled and popular he is.

>>3332960
Look, I don't really care whatever mental gymnastics you have to go through to feel better about yourself and pretend these artists aren't making good money. Also not quite sure what the shit healthcare and pension system in the US has to do with this. Obviously being from Europe we have a huge advantage over Americans in these regards, but that got nothing whatsoever to do with whether you are a freelancer or employee. Health care and pensions are covered simply by you paying your taxes, so if Even Amundsen who lives in Europe makes 7k a month and pays his taxes, he will actually have a juicier pension than the doctor who makes 5k a month.

>>3332960
>juicy pensions
>healthcare
>paid vacation
>maternal leave
you do realize you are the one that pays for it right?
fucking commies man

>>3332991
Amerifats don't understand our social security is a hidden 20-40% tax we pay on top of our regular 30-40% taxation. They think it's magical gibs from Heaven or something.

>>3332980
Not the anon you were talking to, but depending on where they live in the US 7k CAN be just ok money, especially for a pro artist working for a world famous company.

I live in Southern California, and to rent a decent one bedroom apartment in a decent area (i.e. not in the middle of nowhere) you'll have to pay close to 2k/mo. Let's assume they work for a company that takes care of their insurance, they'll still have to pay for auto insurance, gas, food, phone, internet, etc.

Sure you can live pretty comfortably on $7k/mo here, but it's far from wealthy status.

And it gets worse if you live in, say, San Francisco for example.

>>3331870
Garish, kitsch, revolting

On a related note, anyone have any good resources on the blocky/cartoony/painterly style that Blizzard seems to love? I'd be interested in learning more about achieving that look.

>>3332994
Not sure what point you are trying to make here, but that's simply how the world works. Yes, living costs in big cities are high and yes, these 2 moderately popular freelance artists in their mid 20s to early 30s aren't wealthy. Is either of that really worth pointing out as if anyone doesn't know that?

7k/month is at the very top border of upper middle class, something many dentists, doctors, lawyers etc make. Anything above that, you'd have to be part of management or something or as artist, you'd have to have some leading creative role in your company.

>>3332995
unskilled, crab, jealousy

>>3333023
Hackneyed, glib, unoriginal

>>3333023
Anon doesn't have to like the standard ic shitpost Mr 3333023

>>3333022
>7k/month is at the very top border of upper middle class, something many dentists, doctors, lawyers etc make

Dentists, doctors and lawyers all make much more money than that. Who the fuck dedicates years of his life just to earn 7k? Oh right, only artists do that, everyone else makes more.

>>3333060
yeah everyone else that lives in manhattan or some other very wealthy western city. jesus you're sheltered.

>>3333063
Alright, let me rephrase my statement.

Good dentists, doctors and lawyers earn more. I can't really tell if their work is harder to learn but becoming a good artist is definitely a hard thing. Do you want to do hard things for pennies?

>>3333066
>7k=pennies
kek

>>3333066
doing art (something I enjoy, which I can do commission for remotely online that doesn't require I live in a high rise apartment in new york) vs pursuing a career as an anus prober that doesn't guarantee I make a living working for hasidic jews in manhattan probing their anuses and then returning to my high rise apartment... hmm tough choice man.

Some people misunderstood what I wrote earlier so I figured I was being too verbose and not using proper brainlet 4chan lingo. Let me try again.

>be jimmy making 7k freelancing out of Los Angeles apartment
>'is good money!' i tell my mate
>mate is officedrone making 5k, salty that I make more
>flat explodes because my meth addict gf was cooking meth while i was out at the gym, all equipment destroyed
>have to pay for new equipment out of own pocket and can't earn a living while i'm in fulltime mandatory anger management classes bc bitchslapped gf into a coma

vs

>officedrone mate has his equipment explode at the company and the company buys him new equipment
>also gives him 1k emotional damage compensation
>also gives him 2 weeks of thai massages to relief stress after the traumatic incident
>also gets paid one week leave while office is being repaired

that's the deal with freelance. you need to be pulling in 10k a month in order to have the same quality of life as someone who is making 6k employed.

employee:
- costs his company 10k (equipment, rent for space the desk is on, gov and jew fees and taxes, training, sick days etc)
- gross salary is 7k
- net salary is 4k

>>3333069
In a developed, first world country 7k is nothing. You can't buy anything fancy if you want to save that money for a house or whatever and it will still take you years of living like a hermit. It's different in third world countries but who wants to go there, right?

>>3333077
>mate

dropped first sentence in. getting sick of australians derailing any meaningful discussion. go become a lawyer if you want MATE throw some kangaroo meat on the old burny hot hot stove while you're at it.

>>3333078
lol you gotta get out more often desu
i live in a developed first world country in europe
i only need 1-2k a month to live very comfortably

>>3333083
>a developed first world country in europe
Like...?

>>3333077
>gives him 1k emotional damage compensation
>gives him 2 weeks of thai massages to relief stress after the traumatic incident
>also gets paid one week leave while office is being repaired
you know that goes out of your salary right? swear to allah, fucking commies man
>>3333084
so it's true americans dont know geography huh

>>3333087
There aren't any first world countries in Europe anymore Ahmed, not since you and your kind came.

>>3333087
>everyone on /ic/ is american even though half the people clearly say mate uni and other brit/aussie slang words and the other half are talking about how they want to escape poland
retard kys, hope you never make it

How is everybody?

>>3332828
>>3332947

I never said you couldn't survive on that salary, what I meant is that you would still be better off living on 7k in the US than 20k in Brazil.
Taxes are too high, everything is expensive because of tariffs and the quality of goods and services are shittier.

>>3332947

The thing is, middle class in Brazil live like poor people in America, maybe worse. You can survive just fine, it's just not much of a comfortable life.

>>3333117
thanks for stating the obvious you absolute autistic retard.

>>3332369
you have no idea about economics

>>3333089
for the love of yehovah stop embarrasing yourself

>>3333119
Did you miss the part where people were arguing the opposite?
Why are you so butthurt, did you forget to take your meds today?

>>3333122
do you really need to argue with people that think fucking brazil would ever be worth living in over the US unless you're a billionaire? we're talking about careers in art. anone with a brain knows there's no circumstance where you'd be more successful as an artist in brazil.

>>3333134

This thing where people think brazilians are getting more out of their salaries because they receive dollars but spend in real is a common misconception well worth the clarification.
Do you need to be arguing with me about what I should be discussing? If the matter doesn't involve you and you don't have anything to add just ignore it and move on.

>>3333066
Artists have to do art in some capacity to be happy, almost all artists would be happy if they could just do art and make any sort of living off of it.

Seriously, most artists would probably be happy to work 60 hour weeks for 3k a month if it meant they could live off their art.

>>3333141
I absolutely hate art though.

>>3333141
>Seriously, most artists would probably be happy to work 60 hour weeks for 3k a month if it meant they could live off their art.

You are talking about hobby kind of art. If you have to work for someone and make stuff for him, in no fucking way you would be satisfied with so little money. All that stress, deadlines, art is just another shitty job.

>>3333155
I... sort of think I would be okay with making art for someone as long as they were appreciative and the subject matter wasn't completely to my distaste.

>>3333155
I think that's fair.
If you still have creative control, like a patreon artist, or someone otherwise doing their own projects, I'd take the minimum I need to survive to do it.

>>3333078
>In a developed, first world country 7k is nothing

You are either legitimately retarded or a completely delusional kid who has absolutely no clue what the job market looks like. The vast majority of the first world middle class makes significantly less than 7k USD a month. Just what on earth do you do that you think you will some day earn more than that you delusional little fuck?

>>3333078
You're retarded anon, there is no country in the world where 7k a month won't let you live a very comfortable life style. Unless you have 3 kids or mountains of debt it's more than enough.

>>3333210
Sorry mr. cuck that I don't want to work my ass off for so little money that I can't spend, because I would get broke pretty fast. Not everyone enjoys living a life of having basic food and shelter, which is the only thing you'll get for that shit. You have no fucking clue about costs of living.

>>3333066
>Good dentists, doctors and lawyers earn more.

You'd be surprised just how many dentists, doctors and lawyers there are who earn less though. And of course being a fucking doctor is more stressful and harder than being an artist, you utter mongoloid. Making that amount of money painting pictures, fromt he comfort of your own home while having your own work hours is a ridiculously easy and stress free job all things considered.

>>3333216
Just out of curiosity, what is it you do for a living? Or rather, what is it you plan on doing for a living once you finished college and moved out of your mother's basement?

From what I've seen personally it's not worth wasting 5 years of dedicated work just to earn money that covers your living expenses and nothing more. I mean what's the point?

>j-just move out to some slavic shithole (though they will get your ass with taxes anyway)

I'd rather die in a ditch than go there for just one day.

>>3333225
I suppose you don't plan on working at all then and just remain a parasite who leeches off his parents?

>According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median wage for workers in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2017 was $857 per week or $44,564 per year
>Workers age 25 and over without a high school degree had median annual earnings of $27,612
>College graduates with at least a bachelor's degree earned $66,456 annually.
>College graduates with advanced degrees (a professional or master’s degree or higher) earned a median average of $77,324.

7k USD a month is $84,000 annually in case you can't do basic math.

Brazilian here. This guy makes good money, even if he lives in the most expensive living cost state. He also is very down to earth and humble. That being said, I think his composition is so boring and his subjects dull.

>>3333235
Alright, I get your point but can you tell me how much work do you actually have to do to earn those 7k a month? Do you get few 1.5-2k pieces to do or something else? I am legitimately curious.

Also I am not denying that remote work is very comfortable and not as stressful as actually going and working with people on a daily basis, that's true. I've been told all my life that art gives shit pay to skill ratio, meaning you have to do more than others for the same money, from what I heard.

>>3333244
on another note
how easy is it to get that brazilian booty?
Deciding next summer trip

bump

>>3333256
As easy as any other western country, easier if you are from a first world country. That said, brazilian booty is a meme

>>3331870
Computer game graphic shouldnt be on /ic, it isnt art

>>3334209
>it isnt art

>>3334300
barely is it, if there is more to art than sketching doodles on a napkin.

>>3332369
lmao ic thinks artists they heard of are actual celebrities and should be millionaires.

mike azevedo is beast, and in case u didn't know he went beast mode quite litterally overnight, he got some harsh crits and flipped it all around.

>>3334307
What is your definition of art?

>>3334209
That's not computer game graphics. It's concept art.
>concept art is not art

His new piece.