/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3323632

Still working on this fucking thing. Never got a reply stating why my rendering was bad? Bare in mind I don't want mega realism. I've never tried rendering/shading like this before this piece so this is already advanced to me.

>>3323633
Bob Ross mayk me cri evritym

>mfw i posted pretty late and got no crits in the last /beg/ thread

>>3323505
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>>3323520

How do I render with HB and not have it look horrible? I've been experimenting a lot with hatching because I haven't been happy with any of the edges I get while drawing facial features or portraits.

>>3323639
The reason why it is bad is because the values aren't being pushed out enough. It's unclear how much shadow a given part of the body is in.

In this picture, you kind of fixed it, but it is still kind of unclear where the light-source is at. And even with the new tones added, it still feels flat because you are only defining the major forms with it. You could be using the red light from the eyes to cast light onto surfaces other than the eye socket to further define forms. Also, the nose socket is very flat looking, because the shading is too subtle.

TL;DR: Push out your values.

>>3323617
Thank you for take the time to give me some tips.

>>3323532

I'm trying to draw this character form the game Krosmaga. Drawing her as a exercise and continue to improve is my goal.

I'm the first to see the problems, knowing that something is wrong and try my best to fix it resulting in a little less of a mess.

That of course does not discourage me.

“Dude, suckin’ at something is the first step to being sorta good at something.”

reposting the shitball

>>3323652

Before I added those shades, I was going for stippling-only, and on the scale I'm working at it's becoming more difficult to occlude each point further together before I find a better pen for the job. Pic related, I'm going for that style in terms of shading.

Can I theoretically do what you're saying I should do in PT Sai? I'm currently layering over gray masks in PDN currently and that's non-intuitive as hell obv.

I'm only defining the major forms because this is for a largely weeb JRPG. If it becomes too detailed it won't match the other artist's style, which is largely what I'm apeing here.

The nose I can fix tomorrow, adjusting the luminosity on one side of it should do the trick. Thanks.

>>3323652

The light source originates from the top right, as seen in pic related. I'm using a software to help me map the shading as I cannot mentally picture it yet.

is there a way to see art gains/progress as you can in /fit/ness?

I'm concerned I'm not focusing on the right things. Could anyone chime in and tell me if my current focus isn't helpful?

I'm learning figure drawing. I've a good enough grasp of basic perspective and structure after studying basic shapes and boxes for like 2 months so I figured the next step was learning how to draw people.
I studied gesture for a moment and kept going through the Proko figure drawing lessons along with Hampton's for back up (I find his method more technical and less /beg/ friendly)

But then Proko goes full "Draw the whole fucking owl" in between landmarks of the body and fullblown mannequization. It's daunting. I turned to his specific anatomy courses for the 3 main masses of the body - hips, torso and head- and I'm getting decent at drawing them but I can't seem to piece them together.

It's like I know how to draw the puzzle pieces but not how to piece them together? Like how to draw the spine, torso, head and hips altogether without it looking weird and making them click.
I know I'm rambling but it's due to how confused I am at what I should be doing at this point. I hope someone can figure out what I'm doing wrong and help a brother out by pointing out.

>try to take an art class in college
>can't afford those materials
>drop class

>tfw wanted to learn to draw since I was 6 and haven't been able to take any steps since

I hate my life
Why can't I draw...

>>3323672
ngmi

>>3323671

You're overthinking it. Literally- just draw the fucking owl. Don't worry about the details, just start mindlessly drawing the owl. Draw the owl facing different directions, doing different actions. Do it over and over again.

>>3323672
A large number of artists are self taught. Stop being a bitch. All you need to draw is papers and pencils.

>>3323681

>Stop being a bitch

I swear to christ, this board is full of assholes. Real encouraging, anon. Real fucking encouraging.

>>3323687
you're not helping your own case, sally

>>3319403
Requesting the sauce behind this please. I asked in the last thread without noticing it was already past bump limit so i'm asking again in case it doesn't get seen. Thank you.

>>3323672
don't give up, you don't need fancy materials to draw. last semester i got lucky by having my girlfriend buy a few of the supplies i needed

>>3323662
plz any tips on rendering better

>>3323672
>>3323687
Anon, if you haven't tried at all how to draw in the decade or so since you've been 6 and are hurt by a random person's comment, your mental blocks are probably more inhibiting to drawing than your financial situation.

Are you near any community colleges? I'm currently at one and my professors are amazing, and they're very accommodating to students' lack of access to materials. If you can't get financial aid or you still feel like it's too expensive, just go straight to paper, pen, and printer paper. Then you can save up 20 bucks, buy a pad of newsprint and some compressed charcoal so you can experiment with a medium that blends drawing and painting.

>>3323667
compare your work to how it was 6 months ago

was this really a question or did you just want to post in a thread

not really feeling it guys...

>>3323705

This is beautiful

>>3323705

thanks for the album cover

>>3323715
anytime

>>3323693
blend

>>3323672
>take college level art classes in senior year
>supplies are literally like 40 bucks

nanidesuga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIoTV_GnnEs

Thoughts?

unrelated to art- but why do I get banned every time I post one of my images in this thread? I just want some crits :'(

PS I usually post from mobile (clover app)

>>3323780
you might be rangebanned

1.5 hr portrait pose. I try to outline the shaded "shapes" before I start with values but just suck ass at finding values in general. Should I just forget about this and focus on accuracy/proportions first? Im exhausted Every time I do a study as I feel like I'm rushed to create a finished product and end up fucking up accuracy and get terrible values regardless.

My coworker asked me to draw my other one as a gay jedi because he is a star wars fan. He thought it was funny.

>>3323777
Lookin' good! Proportions are good. eyes don't look like symbols.
Beg-tier here so take advice with a grain of salt.
Eye's need to be darkened as they won't be paper white. it also might be the reason they look kind of flat. Might just be me but the ear looks huge (bottom of the ear goes below the bottom of the nose), although it is possible this guy just has giant ears.
Overall, the values are off as Im sure the guy's forehead isnt the same white as the guy's white collar.
my drawings look kind of similar as well where you can just kind of tell it looks amateurish. It might be the hard lines and rendering? Would love someone to chime in on this phenomenon

>>3323645
you're too much of a pussy with darker values
find a reference with stark shadows and really ram your pencil into the paper
none of that piss weak feathering out grays lighter than fluffy clouds
i believe in you anon

How to clean up this mess? I always end up on this stage, why is it so difficult to control edges digitally without using lasso tool/masking that kills painting looseness and joy? Are there any good brushes that do the trick?

>>3323782
very cool. patience is rewarding

>>3323957
funny how like the values and colors are pretty good but you have like absolutely no technical skill at actually painting lol.

anyway i don't really have any good advice, perhaps a more opaque brush with more carefully chosen colors for the edges instead of trying to have the low opacity do the choosing for you. worth experimenting with brush shapes too yourself to see what edges you get.

Hello everyone, I am looking for some help with the anatomy in this drawings, specially the one on the right, more specifically I want to know that if in this pose should you be able to see her other arm reaching for her left knee.

(I still have no scanner)

Is there any tips when it comes to perspective/foreshortening? I've seemingly tried to place objects in front of eachother but it still looks flat, in terms of cylinders receding/being foreshortened.

>>3324044
Boxes. You can fit a cylinder into a box, so if you can put boxes in perspective you're good to go. There really isn't any other way than practicing them a lot (that I know of).

I wanted to make a reference sheet for my character but I'm kinda stuck with hands. How the fuck am I supposed to do this.

>>3324048
I've already practiced a lot of hand and feet, this is only 1/10 of what I did and it's still annoying me.

>>3323633
After reading this picture, I decided to take a serious venture into drawing. Tried looking at the shapes present in CIA's face and how they connected, etc. I'll be reading the keys to drawing book across this beggining stage. The current plan is to draw at the very least 3 pictures every day, until I git somewhat gud at it. Wish me luck /ic/.

I think I don't like lips.

>>3324051
Reference. I turned this pic upside down and changed it to black and white, not sure if I did good but it is what it is.

>>3324051
>After reading this picture
Good luck bud.

>>3324052
As someone who's struggling with lips right tf now, I know that feel, bro.

>>3324056
Don't get me wrong, I also read the sticky. Ah fuck, this is gonna take a while but I'm willing to put up with all the trouble. I need a hobby/skill besides video games.

>>3323780
If someone with the same provider using a data plan gets banned in your area, so do you, if you use the data plan to post.

>>3324048
Use a mirror to look at the back of your hand or just take photos of it with your smartphone?

>>3324048
You are in the right path, keep practicing.
You made a really obvious mistake which is easy to correct. You kept the same proportions for the fingers as if you were looking the hand from the front. The pinky isn't as long as the index, so the effect will never be the same if mirrored. Follow >>3324088 and keep practicing.

On a side note, your facial features really clash with how you draw the body in my opinion. The lips look flat and weird, the cat ears look weird in profile and I think you could make it look really interesting if you went for a less simplified anime style. Just my opinion.

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>>3323737
What's the best book for people like me

The art class is north of $100 for just materials . It's really more for art majors who can keep re using their stuff. I just want to become amazing pencil paper

When is something anime?

>>3324162

when it is moe.

>>3323705
Take mine too, fresh from the oven

>>3324088
Nice idea, thanks ! I'll try it. It just annoys me a bit that I can't draw hands without references even with practicing a l o t >>3324050

>>3324091
I tried to keep the silhouette of the hand but I didn't know how to draw the fingers inside, I'll try to look at my own hand.

>your facial features really clash with how you draw the body in my opinion.
>you could make it look really interesting if you went for a less simplified anime style.
How do you think I can change it ? I want to draw in a semi-realistic style, I plan on not drawing the lips like I did but in a more discrete way.
Aaaa the wolf ears are just something I wanted to try. I wanted to see if it looks better on the top of her head or on the side like real ears.
Thanks for your answers!

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>>3324058
Don't outline the edges of the lips, shade them. Upper lip is darker. Use a pencil.

Continuing my way through Keys To Drawing. Chapter 3 had a standing figure exercise to practice proportions, but I got really distracted with shading. It's pretty much the first time I've ever shaded anything, so I know it's shit-tier.

How are the proportions? And any tips for shading because I was really flying blind here.

Working my way through Keys to Drawing. This was exercise 3-A, which was a standing figure to help with proportions, but I got pretty distracted with shading. I've never even attempted shading before, so I know it's pretty shit-tier.

How are the proportions? And I'd appreciate any tips for shading, since I was pretty much going by trial and error until it looked somewhat acceptable.

>>3323782
Seems like you already know what your problem is. Stop rushing. And yes, focus on angles and proportions first. Be patient, speed will come with time; I had (have, maybe) the same problem. Just make sure the last line you drew is correct before going to the next one. G'luck.

>>3324253
How do I stop shading like this anon and do it the way pros do it?

>>3324257
How do pros do it?

>>3323796
thanks anon, ill try my best. i need to stop procrastinating first though

>>3324262
>>3324257
They understand the medium they're using.

>>3324128
>you will never learn to draw scientific drawings of flora and fauna

>>3324128
find the art supply lists, look at what they recommend. do some research on what you want to learn and see what intersects. learn what you want to learn.

>>3323957
Use more opaque brushes earlier in your process or a hard edged eraser to create hard edges. Think about what the result of every brush stroke will do to your work.

how do you draw hands with fingers interlocked, like the "please" gesture, from a front angle view? Having a hard time finding a reference on google

>>3324291
>They understand the medium they're using.

Could you be more specific? "Be less bad", isn't exactly helpful critique.

>>3324008

So... any suggestions or help?

>>3324406
Read a book.

>>3324404
How much more specific can he get? They use the medium (the tool) alot and have a good understanding of how it works.

>>3324406
Copy your favorite artist for awhile and learn something from them. Or study photos of people and train your eye. Or study some books to help with imaginary drawings and learn perspective. Try the first two options for a bit then dabble in books for a sec

>>3324529
>>3324429

Listen, I know it is wrong, I just want to know what specifically, I have been drawing for years and have had notebooks filled with shit, no amount of practice or studying can help me if I don't know WHAT is wrong with each drawing, each fucking pick I have ever uploaded on /ic/ since years ago is meet with vague critique and I have made the same pictures dozen of times, all with the same result.

>>3324573
Try the shrimp method.
If you don't know what it is, google it. It helped me a lot to progress >>3324048

>>3324573
>I have been drawing for years and have had notebooks filled with shit, no amount of practice or studying can help me if I don't know WHAT is wrong with each drawing

I imagine that is mostlu what people go to classes for. When you can't see what's wrong on your own, you need someone who can point it out for you. Sometimes anons on the internet are good enough for that, but RL teachers are more reliable and consistent for critique.

Why is drawabox considered contraversal? Curious as I am slowly working through that as well as random YouTube tutorials going to start Alphonso Dunn's pen and ink though and just focus on those two

just fucking around trying to do a jojo rip-off and I really enjoyed how this turned out

>>3323663
im watching hxh as we speak, this is really sick

>>3324609
It's a poor ripoff of Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching course.

Today's effort.

Hands suck, face is bad, proportions are ok-ish.

>>3324644
is that Shizune?

>>3324646

If you squint, yea. Lol. I enjoy me some KS.

>>3324262

They shade around the form.

Stop whatever you're doing and do a study of pic related

How do I get better with drawing eyes, I feel like my shape is unrealistic. All I can ever find as references is those beauty all puffed up with makeup kind of eyes

I've been burning through pages in my sketchbook the last few days and oddly enough this feels like the final straw for wanting to get a tablet. It'd be nice to have easy access to coloring tools too.

Is this a normal problem?

>>3324741
You make 'em less huge. Pay attention to your reference and avoid symbol drawing.

>>3324704
CUTE
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>>3324573
>what specifically
Youre hiding the legs.

Left drawing's monobrow is overlapping the eye. Left drawing's right ass cheek should wrap around the hamstring, not into. humerus and forearm are too short. define the left ass cheek more, it looks like an upside down cone. She looks pregnant with sagging breasts.

Right drawing, forearm and humerus is short. i dont know where her left arm is. neck doesnt match torso. Move entire head slightly to the right.


>>3324685
post ref

well?

Back to the basics for me

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>>3324879
and some bunnies. i would combine these in indesign but Fuck you

>>3324869
draw boxes with me, anon. come to the joyous square land of boxes.

>>3324889
are you trying to rape me

>>3324898
what a strange question.

yes.

>>3324900
well i guess dubs means i have to go.

>>3324903
on the contrary, dubs means you're mine forever

Studying figure drawing, thought I was getting better at gesture but I think I was just getting lucky or something. I'm still a bit confused about what the marks I make are supposed to indicate. I usually start by trying to capture the movement of the spine, limbs, and head but I'm not sure what to do after that because I'm left with some stick figure looking thing and the next marks I want to make are contours or defining some rough outline of the pelvis and ribcage. I get pretty confused because everybody says not to draw contours but in every gesture drawing I see half the marks look like rough contours.

>>3324912
That description in your pic seems to answer the question posed in your post

crit?

>>3324924
From my perspective the drawings contradict the text.

>>3324924
>>3324953
Never mind, this proko picture helped a lot. My confusion mostly came from how similar many of the lines seemed to contours because I misinterpreted "don't worry about drawing contours." as avoiding drawing anything that resembled one.

>>3324965
Yeah. I just started doing gesture drawing today. Sometimes the movement you are looking for is in the contours.

lol

>>3324520
>I mean, if you would get it then you would have gotten it right, shah dude helping is like my thing.
Nigger.

I’ve done all the basics on loomis’s faces and I want to do a ton of run through of faces to practice

How long should I dedicate to each head? I have a tendency of getting caught up in it and only drawing about 5 in an hour

>>3324704
>DAS IST MEIN WASSERMELON, MEINE.drawing
Nice work!

Can I just start using a tablet, as in an android one, not one connected to the PC (though it does that too).
I wanted to buy a tablet for comics and figured an extra 100 for one that has a pressuse sensitive stylus would be nice.

The only issue is that it's 10.1" so the space is quite small or does that not matter?

started as a study in proportion with approximation. ended in frustration because i tried to use some custom brushes instead of staying with a hard edged round. every time i saved it i saw more to "fix" but went too far with polishing a turd by playing with some of the shadows. i'm going to stick more closely to the original intention of the study next time and by then i'll know some more anatomy/construction of the chest and shoulders.

>>3325052
Sounds awful. Do traditional, save your money for another time.

>>3325062
In what way?
The screen size? I can get the larger 12.5 iPad Pro and it still works as a drawing tablet when conencted to a PC

>>3323971
>>3324390
Thanks. I actually came up with a solution. The idea is using an opaque brush and constantly changing the flow by hotkeys for edges.

>>3325052
for the love of god just buy a $5 sketchbook and $1 pencil

>>3325065
What the fuck is the point of connecting the ipad pro to the computer when you can just draw on the ipad pro?

>>3325069
I don't like actual sketchbooks. I never have liked paper for drawing. Even as a kid it was annoying as fuck. Also that defeats the purpose of being able to have everything on a tablet

>>3325071
Nothing other than using it for PC only programs is my point.

>>3325072
>Nothing other than using it for PC only programs is my point.
Sounds gimmicky af.

>>3325076
It is but it works well. I was pointing that out since if I needed to use more than the mobile apps, I could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUs9R3F-R8

Not sure where to post, i been practicing my inking techniques and the tools you see is what i use (Deleter Manga paper, Nikko&Tachikawa pen nibs) I want to know if there is a way to stop the ink from my nibs from stuttering when i do straight thin lines? keeps happening. and supply optimization suggestions is welcome.

Share inking techniques and shadowing if you have some.

fucking light is reflecting off the graphite on the bottom

>>3325193
ref

Yo, I need major help with lighting and shading.
No matter what I do I seem to can't get it right.
Any suggestions on how to improve?
(The only thing I can think up to help me is more still life practice)

>>3324824

Seems right to me, that's how cartoons turn their heads.

>>3323957
you need to switch brushes from opaque to soft. I had the same problem because for some reason i didn't want to bother switching brushes.

It's a bit like driving a car without switching gears.

Bonus Retro attempt.

>>3325222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPz8Xyt3z-w

>>3325066
>>3325243
just blended a bit with soft brush...
It's not supposed to be better but maybe it gives you an idea how to proceed.

Hello there! Hope you guys doing well. Any tips? Thanks!

Help with this? should vaginas be visible in this position at this angle? Most hentai references agree that they should be visible but they look odd to me.

>>3325263

Are you going for realism, or stylization? Either way, you may want to focus on the masses and shapes first before working on the details. Consider the relation every shape has to each other, mirror the image, and keep refining it until you've got what you're going for.

Any chance you can upload that reference? I'd like to take a shot at it too!

>>3325270
Thanks! I need that vision (overall) before get into details.

Here the reference!

>>3325222
I'll be a bad boyo and I'll show you a shortcut for shading.

Basically use the lighting of a photo as a reference for the lighting

>>3325069

Not that guy but at this rate I'm running through about a sketchbook a week. I could try to draw smaller but I want to draw as much as I want. Is this an acceptable reason to go digital? Feels like it to me.

>>3325272

Real light lighting is boring compared to studio lightning, it barely bounces and that cool backlight glow is rare.

>>3325271

Thank you, and good luck!

>>3325247

This is why people hate /ic/ his drawing is not a ball nor a cube, yes you could argue all principles apply when reducing a drawing in to shapes but turns out there is much more variables to consider, which can only be confirmed or denied with proof ( 3d model or photo) everybody fucking knows that shadows are opposite to the light source! blending them is just question of ability, the problem is that everyone sees a different thing in their minds, a different position, intensity or number of light sources.

>>3325286
>yes you could argue all principles apply when reducing a drawing in to shapes

Everything beyond this point is completely irrelevant and pretentious garbage. Stop whining, that video (and the channel it comes from) has some incredibly useful information.

>>3325292

what part of the subjective: position, intensity, distance and number of light sources didn't you understood?

>>3324824

> neck doesn't match torso. Move entire head slightly to the right

Don't do this! in this position the head should be further back from the shoulder it is already dangerously close! the main issue is the left leg position, correct it and draw the arm from there!

>>3325268
No, vaginas don't stick out from behind like that. Nor should the slit stop abruptly before the ass. Don't use hentai as anatomical reference, jesus.

Go do some croquis cafe videos or look up some photographic references.

>>3325282
You can make them harsh senpai

there is nothing stopping you from using a reference and making them like that

>>3325263

>>3325319

Everyone loves the Japanese.

>>3325320

Is that... the fringed one? I like her she looks goth.

>>3325328
Idk I'm just throwing shit at the wall and experimenting to see what sticks

I already gave anon my process to shading so I can't do much more

Aside from Proko, what is a good anatomy reference that isn't a mess to read/follow?

I'm having trouble going from the mannequin stage to actual anatomy. Any suggestions/tips?

>>3325369
Michael Hampton, Eliot Goldfinger, Uldis Zarins and Scott Eaton

More doodles

>>3325387
back to drawing boxes

Trying more from photo reference.

>>3325427

>>3325427
0/10, you didn't even look at your reference. At least make a minimal effort and read Keys to Drawing.

>>3325427
Symbols everywhere. Have a look at that sticky.

>>3325427
Art is not for you, try videogames.

>>3324936
no one even bothered, why do people come to this thread and get no critique?

Got around to drawing this face from a book I'm reading. Giovanni Civardi. Good book.

What is a good beginner tutorial to use if you're trying to start to learn how to render in color, particularly with colored pencil?

>>3325534
this isnt really a thread for that sort of shit
this is more of a workshop for boxes and fundies

>>3325543
Not bad but the eyes look too big and all the features look to be set too close together, like the whole face has been smushed.

>>3325272
>Mfw Horse fags get good advice despite the fact that there is a whole room dedicated to horsefaggotry.

Is it okay to start digitally as a beginner, or should you always start with physical paper and pencil?

>>3323632
Looking for some really good ellipse perspective tips. Proko does them on the fly, teh tuts I've seen involve too much setup. I just want to start making some decent spines and pelves.

yikes

>>3325826
i would grind out some with squares in perspective cut into 4 smaller pieces as guidelines. then study how the curve changes as the viewing angle changes.

geez

>get told to stop using digital and only draw traditionally for a while
>do it for like a year
>got somewhat decent (for /beg/)at drawing traditionally
>now can't draw digitally anymore
Fug

>>3325935
grind basic shapes with tablet
unless you entirely forgot photoshop/program functions, then youre probably a honest to god brainlet

well my tablet wasn't working at all in flash so I went to the driver and messed with the settings. turning off "support tabletPC" did the trick but now my line in ps cs5 look like shit and are jittery.

anyone have a cracked version of lazy nezumi?

I'm tired of fucking around with software and every tutorial is made fore wacom so my huion tablet is shit out of luck

>>3325938
Nah I still know how to navigate the ui and work the program. It's just hard to draw lines properly esp. cause I have a tiny old ass bamboo tablet. Painting isn't as bad as trying to do linework but still annoying.

*worthless*

>>3325941
i had that and i think i was able to fix it by installing the 32-bit version of photoshop. you could always try a different program such as sai or krita

hnng

>>3324980
I don't think that leg/pelvis/torso positioning makes sense, the pelvis needs to line up more with the torso.

>>3325964
Shit, I stopped looking to post for a minute and immediately forgot what I saw wrong with it. What I meant to say is the pelvis and torso need to line up with his legs more, there position suggests he should be looking off to the right, while the leg position suggests he is coming towards the viewer at an angle to the left. Know what I'm saying?

>tfw you decide to start drawing again and want to practice and improve so badly that work and even the most basic social interactions start to feel like a chore

>>3325971
>needing social interactions aside from shitposting
weak

>>3324936
if you want to get better, and expect serious criticism, practice from reference drawings. you'll develop a sense of what is correct, or wrong with your drawings.

>>3325534
people like you who post drawings like this are usually told to stop symbol drawing, but it seriously gets old fast, and the sticky explains all of this.

>>3325974
While I'm still in college, I'm not currently in a position where I can easily go into shut-in mode, unfortunately.

>>3323777
checked. I think you can get darker values. Try squinting and see whats black and draw that as dark as fuck on ur page.

>>3323782
give tips on how to find values?? I can only find like two (white/black) the rest just seem like the same value.

>>3323791
>ears look huge
Fun fact, your ears continue to grow throughout your life, which is why some old dudes have giant, long ass ears.

>>3326055
holy crap, cartilage does keep growing. Wew.
>tfw already have a large schnozz and dumbo wings
Cant wait to age into a literal merry merchant

>>3325820
>Think for me guys!

>>3324291
How to understand graphite? Particularly 2B. How do you know when to sharpen? When to use your dull? How do you prevent textures from your lead ruining the drawing? How do you know if you should rotate the pencil to balance out the sharp and flat side? How do you shade and still be able to tell what's going on? How do you create edges with graphite like in paint? How come value transitions are almost much more difficult? How do you know when dark is too dark? Can shiny be okay? How long is it expected to take to do a detailed rendering? Is it okay to spend upwards of a few hours? Should you ever leave the white of the paper visible or should you cover it all up?

>>3326049

Squint

>>3324685
A little 10min study. Pushed the values a little bit too far with graphite, didn't have time to focus on soft edges and got a little frustrated with the hair.. oh well at least I tried to do hands.

I drew this semi recently. It seems like I can't draw anything properly without finding a piece I really think is nice first. Also, can someone tell me how the fuck to transition to actual line art? When I try, the picture ends up looking like garbage.

Any good tips on drawing drapery? Help a brainlet out mang, I just wanna draw lolis wearing cute clothing.
Pic is my pathetic attempts.

>>3326215
post your fucking blog

>>3324008
what is this disgusting pedo shit. stop

>>3326215
>I can't draw anything properly without finding a piece I really think is nice first
So it's a copy?
> can someone tell me how the fuck to transition to actual line art? When I try, the picture ends up looking like garbage.
Stop refining sketches, keep a sketch rough and refine while inking. Too refined sketches only work as sketches and trying to ink them will just not hit the same notes the refined sketch did.

>>3326228
I don't have one. My art is very 50/50 so I don't think I'm good enough for one yet.

>>3326235
No, the pose in the picture I liked was different. I did like the colouring style though. Thanks for the advice as well. It just seems like sketches always have the most depth to them. I think I just need to add more depth to my lineart.

>>3326223
Hogarth and Vilppu's books on drapery are great.

>>3326223

>DRAWING PEOPLE: How to Portray the Clothed Figure by Barbara Bradley
vk
.com/doc4043932_374002411?hash=e34d01c52044703738&dl=008f5681f1fb3837e2


>Drawing Drapery from Head to Toe (Dover Art Instruction) by Cliff Young
http://www.rosemaryr.com/WIP/1487232777837.pdf

>Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery: Solutions for Drawing the Clothed Figure by Burne Hogarth
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=692B7946DCCBB28799DBB86878F726D0

>The artist's guide to drawing the clothed figure : a complete resource on rendering clothing and drapery by Michael Massen
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=ECE316BAA8D47F2AED75F83B184243C0

this is the unfinished study, i have a complete picture but it's not on my phone and my sketchbook is elsewhere.

desu one eye is bigger than the other ;_;

>>3326286

aaaah shit, i can't rotate and my phone is about to die, desu ill just post finished piece in the next thread.

>>3326285
Also, this book:
vk
.com/doc4043932_327191671?hash=0aea925fc75e894c0a&dl=2998feeae8a06107a6

Hi, I gave up on art and I got worse. How to start again? I want to make limited animation shows. Sacrificing quality for speed is something I'm willing to do since I'm just one person.

>>3326215
cute

>>3326317
u wait right there

>>3326266
>>3326285
>>3326294
Top, top quality stuff. Cheers!

>>3326317

>Quick sketching by Ron Husband
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=ACB9B6D54783ABEC7E04E7850728BC3C

>The Drawing Club: Master the Art of Drawing Characters from Life (Cartooning & Artstyle)
vk
.com/doc4043932_329144763?hash=7c19274efcddc67c45&dl=c1c608c23c0e8499bd

>Simplified Drawing for Planning Animation by Wayne Gilbert
vk
.com/doc4043932_437679501?hash=bdb02b11253d057d8d&dl=9b2c374fcf83aa3387

>Force: Dynamic Life Drawing for Animators, Second Edition
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=89C980B232A1B1E48738FDA21E2B132F

If you really want to go the extra mile to activate your inner Tenggen Toppan Gurren Loomis:

>Directing for Animation - Bancroft, Tony
vk
.com/doc4043932_437681567?hash=50ff39bdb8327f23d8&dl=49f4bbbce14294c789

>Animation Writing and Development, From Script Development to Pitch
vk
.com/doc4043932_347488237?hash=06beee7a9c32faad70&dl=dcd6593966d4ae9e21

>The Art of Layout and Storyboarding
vk
.com/doc4043932_333536852?hash=bc22b3679b1692415d&dl=2258fba5dc77bdabb5

This drill will pierce the heavens tier:

>The Animator's Survival Kit, Expanded Edition by Richard Williams
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=31314F3A97AF9EFB151C0D8A081F463E

Also we have an animation thread:
>>3325236

>>3325935
Why not do both tho

>>3326365
I'm not OP but I love you.

>>3326375

whats a good charcoal pencil brand i can get off amazon?

>>3326365
Thank you so much

>>3326417
There are apparently mechanical charcoal pencils
You could try those

>>3325193
>>3325194

Overall, I think your biggest flaw so far is not spending enough time noticing how the different shapes of her face relate to each other. Which you should always be doing all the time throughout the piece.

For example:
Her shoulders aren't so low. (sure the right is higher than the left, but not to that extreme)
Her lips aren't as droopy.
Her ear is more of a boxy oval than it is pointed.
Eyebrows should be sharper.
Don't draw individual strands of hair like that, try for a smoother, darker, even distribution of shading on her scalp. all the texture is in her braids and her baby hairs, not the pulled back section.

I feel like you've gotten the left side of her face down pretty well, but you lost a lot of the likeness on the right side of the face. and don't be discouraged by that, everyone does it when they begin.

I also think you need to spend more time using smoother transitional shades overall, like its obvious where you pressed harder on the paper to achieve dark shadows, but its much more visually appealing to shade by layering up cross hatching. thats why your graphite is so shiny. you're just destroying your work, you can't completely erase that like you would if you had lightly layered it.

Learning how to accept that you need to start over completely is something you should learn how to embrace early. It'll save you from fidgeting on your work and it keeps your work looking cleaner. Its not what a lot of people want to hear, but you're saving yourself in the long run; just take breaks, stretch. recognize when you're being tense otherwise you will press harder on your pencil and make darker deeper ugly grooves.

sorry for typos

>>3326402
I don't even need your tutorials anyway.

>>3326365

Not OP. I love you man.

¿Are you have perspective material?

Advice ?

>>3326494
his face seems oddly long, correct your proportions

>>3326493
>¿Are you have perspective material?
Indeed

Deberias aprender a hablar ingles primero antes amigo. Como sea, te dejo esta en español para que lo entiendas mejor:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=181FB659A1785911F670A483D9DB1D43

Tambien algunos lugares para hablar de cosas animadas y dibujos y eso:

>>>/trash/basurero

oil pastel drawing from reference

>>3326641

does anyone have any tips for sketching faces, especially lips?

>>3326469
yeah i noticed those in the thumb and managed to fix a few. i havent drew with traditional in forever and decided its a good excuse to study portrait so my drawing is a bit sloppy.

are these any better?
>>3326641
>>3326643
things i fixed after i posted that
>made shaded cheek area darker
>added line to show arm
>filled out her upper lip where it was lacking

>>3326555
Hola. Por favor. Gracias.

Por el perspectivo, muchas gracias.

>>3326680
Do you talk spanish or english

cuz you seem to be bad at both

>>3326681
claro!

Hello fellas!
This is the first skin coloring I did. I used Photoshop. What do you think?

>>3326685
I took a random monochrome picture from danbooru

>>3326685
Pillowshading

also this may be handy >>3325272

>>3326365
what anime is this?

>>3326709
who knows

Shading is hard, but it's oddly meditative. I think the proportions were a bit worse this time, but I was more than a little inebriated when I drew it.

Hands/Heads still scare me, but I made an attempt at feet this time and at least an outline of the head.

I think I'll keep up with the 1 post/day stuff. It's been pretty good motivation so far. Adding the reference this time for better comparison.

>>3325319

>Nor should the slit stop abruptly before the ass

Of course it does fagg.

>>3326685
Looks good. Now add shadows to the rest of the stuff so it can look even better.

I draw like once every two months.
Is /ic/ proud of me?
But seriously pls critique.

>>3326721
the best way to improve is to not do what you suck at and just draw things you have drawn before

>>3326721
Head too big feet too small. That's all I can say, I can't do shadows for shit.

>>3326658
Use a reference.

>>3326494
Improve the proportions, and when you draw hair don't do back and forth strokes.

>>3326286
>>3326658
Also fuck you for making us break our neck with your stupid pictures.

>>3326728

There's some weird anatomy stuff going on. There's that weird angular ridge at the waist, the proportions on the feet are weird, the spot where the thigh meets the groin is really awkward and makes it look like the pelvis is way too small. The ends of the collar bones should be a lot closer together especially when viewed at an angle.

The toes and hands look pretty good though.

One thing aside from anatomy stuff is the pose. It's incredibly awkward to squat like that and keep your back straight up. She should be leaning much more forward if it's supposed to look like a normal squat.

>>3326739
Yeah I don't know what the fuck her spine is supposed to do. I kinda wanted her to have a weird pose, and have a straight back to look lewd or something.
Your comments are spot on, thanks.

>>3326733
>the best way to improve is to not do what you suck at and just draw things you have drawn before

I'm following exercises in Keys to Drawing, and the purpose is more for drawing what you see and proportions. The shading is just for fun really, but your 100% right. I should really give the head/hands an attempt, if only for the practice. I'll give it a shot in the next one I post today.

Something feels off in the proportions. and im not skilled enough to tell.
(the awkward smile is on purpose)

>>3326748
>proportions

Which?
there is only a face

>>3326721
Honestly anon - forget the shading.

For now just focus on proportions. Look at the reference - how big is her head in relation to her body? If you took a measurement from the top (left side in the ref) of her skull to her chin and extended that length again where would it intersect on her body? Where does it intersect on your drawing? What are bigger - her hands or her feet? How thick are her thighs in relation to her lower legs? How thick is her upper torso in comparison to either of those?

You need to be constantly asking youself these questions as you draw. You want to avoid being on autopilot. So for now, set a goal with each study like this to get the proportions down as accurately as you can. Try not to cheat unless you're really stuck - just use your eyes. Start by making big comparisons (e.g. top half vs. bottom half, how many heads tall) and once you're confident with those you can start moving into smaller and smaller areas and finer details.

Once you get a handle on that - your eyes will be a lot sharper and you'll be in a better spot to start looking at stuff like gesture, anatomy and rendering.

>>3326748

Yeah, I'm having a hard time spotting the problem too.

Eyebrows look a bit too high and the shading on the right cheek doesn't look quite right. Other than that, I kind of like it desu.

>>3326753
face proportions, you mongrel

What is a good website for finding references?

>>3326756
Yeah, but does it feel ''off'' or it's just me?

>>3326759
There is no ears or forehead or anything

is way fucking harder like that

>>3326766
its kind of hard for me to tell, its very light and it's only the face

>>3326765

-- >>3325344
This channel is pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo

>>3326767
>adds hair over the ears
k, I'll come back later

I'm having trouble with line weight and depicting different values of darkness using hatching.
My goal is to focus on pen and ink art mostly, can someone give feedback to these and some tips on pen and ink drawings?
Help appreciated.

>>3326841
this as well, but this one is digitally done using pen brush

>>3326841
oh man, now that I actually look at it as a photo I realized some pretty bad perspective errors. I guess I have to grind more boxes.
Also I'm still a bit confused how you're supposed to put shadows for a lot of photos taken with all around lighting. Usually when I look up animal references on google the photo is taken with sunlight so the shadows on the forms are very minimal and I can't make them out.

>>3326748
cheekbones, nose to lip height unless it's massively foreshortened but it's not. construct the whole head and then you can place the features easier.

>>3326748
tear ducts typically line up with the nostrils

>>3326841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU
Around 11:10 he starts using a brush pen in this vid, I've mostly seen him with pens or fineliners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4SZwhU_dc

>>3326841
separate the shadows, make those little segments and stick to them, and try not to share values (a dark, a medium, a ligth), make them consistent.
Imagine it like colouring in the lines

>>3323663
nice killua

is there any reason not to use color and multiply layers? is it more true to traditional color picking/mixing if you are sticking to normal layers?

>>3326988
i don't care for those layers much at all but you can use it as a block in. you have more control over the resulting color if you choose your colors since i doubt you're doing the pixel math in your head or have internalized it enough to know what you're getting.

>>3326991
to add to this though, multiply mode for brush and a layer can help to give a simple watercolor approximation if you're using it over a textured paper

>>3326900
>>3326905
I'm getting fucking frustrated

>>3326900
>>3326905
Someone move it for me, cuz I'm not getting it

>>3326979
can you elaborate?

>>3326998
>>3327000
draw some actual skulls. your brow ridge is lol and it couldn't hurt at all to use some construction lines

>>3327002
For example, In a face, you assing the darks, the sides of the mouth, the nostrails, the tear ducts, and make them the darkest, no any other place should be as dark or darker.
In your face the forehead shares values with the neck. when the neck should be the second darkest and the forehead the ligthest (shadow)

New at backgrounds. What do I do to make it look less shitty?

>>3326979
Thank you anon. I'm a bit confused on when it's hard to see the shadows clearly (when it's not studio lighting). Like when I look up animal reference pictures, it feels like most of the forms are in light and mid tones, and there's very little darks. Should I just pretend like it's a simple forms in directional lighting to get more dark darks and make the drawing more "dramatic"?

>>3326948
Thanks for this too, do you happen to have any other artist videos that are notable with pen and ink?

>>3327081
define some edges, more value change. as a thumbnail your picture doesn't read as anything and when you look at your full image it's the same. my eye is drawn to the sitting area but there's nothing of interest in general for the eye to follow.

Total beginner, doing Bargue plates and sketches of whatever I feel like every day

Will I progress if I keep doing this consistently?

>>3327146
I see, fixing that right away. I thought there was some problems with the perspective though, or the composition but I don't know what is it. Maybe is just me.
Thanks for the help, really appreciated it.

>>3327081
Learn to capture a scene more accurately, don't use so much black, use darker values of the actual colors, and spend more time defining detail and texture and objects.

What you did here is basically a rough. Refine and work on it more.

does ic have a regular non beginner study/draw thread

>>3327175
Should I get rid of the black completely? It's supposed to be kind of dark. I added some lights on the parts I want to highlight but overall is dark. Like inside a forest.
Working on the details right now.

>>3327179
The animator thread is required you already know how to draw, but is a niche subject

The porn thread is specific and way too full of shitposters for no seeming reason

Just stick to beg and draw thread m8

Hey r8 my left hand if you want

>reading loomis
>up until page 16 it's worthless jargon about motivation and shit

I fucking HATE READING HOLY FUCK
I don't give a fuck how much this faggot was paid to write by page or paragraph, just get to the goddamn point

>>3327382
Just draw.

>>3327383
You're absolutely right.

>>3327382
>only page 16

>>3327382
the skip to the exercises peabrain

Here is my... color study, I guess. Still not quite right, but I feel good for this piece.

>>3327832
now color pick and compare it yours. find what you tend to do
i can aklready tell you seem to pick both lighter and desaturated values than the ref.
Try doing b&w studies so you can focus one thing at a time.
>>3327602
the ear seems a bit high and we should be able to see the other one too. maybe try incorporating eyes coming out of it? as well as skin folding around the eyes with veins and whatnot
>>3327247
not bad! try to simplify it into simple forms and maybe practice pairs of hands doing stuff.
>>3327081
try to have a solid drawing first, as well as value comps so you can design the light and shadow pattern in order to guide the viewer to whatever focal point you choose.
>>3327000
pic related

Blah blah blah

>>3327832
The color and the blending is good anon, so about that i thing you did good.

However, I think you should work a bit on the drawing part and getting the proportions right. I see that you know what you are doing but maybe you don't have a method.

Try breaking the figure into simple shapes or making a blind contour of the figure so that way you can see if your drawing matches the original subject. If the shapes or the contour are alike, you're good to go.

If you want more info about this, the first section of Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson explains it very well.

Again anon, you are getting the colors right but if you don't get proportions right it will make it lack realism inevitably. So I suggest work on it.

Good luck anon!

Any tips on this? I want to make it look like she is extending the arm from above the viewer, but i'm having trouble with the hair perspective. Not quite sure how does it work from that angle.

Also any tips on how to work without making the pages look so dirty? Always that i scan them they look dirty as hell.

>>3327905
Also ref used, maybe i'm not seeing something.

How can I improve this face structure? I must have redrawn this chin line 100 times and I can't tell if it's right anymore.

>>3327382

Wait til you get to the perspective section and suddenly you're reading a technical manual. Then you'll wish for more words.

>>3327960
Are you using reference?

>>3327905
do a quick side view drawing to help you out
>>3327960
pick one of the books from the sticky and go with it

>>3327983

I was following a lesson on drawing faces, so not exactly, except for the hair where I looked up some pictures cause I felt like it.

>>3327960
Work outside in, instead of inside out.

>>3323663
broken neck

>>3328005

If you mean to draw the outer shape of the head before the facial details, I did. But then after I drew the details I realized I was unhappy with the head outline so I kept redrawing it, which means I was back to inside out.

So what I really need is to train my eye to tell exactly what is wrong, in order to prevent those later-phase issues, but I don't have the experience for that yet. I thought asking might help in this case.

How the fuck do I stop drawing shitty anime and actually learn how to draw? I follow my books, go to figure drawing sessions weekly, but somehow the only thing that ever gets better is my line quality. I don't WANT my art to look like sophomore tumblr bullshit, but I genuinely can't figure out how to get there.

>>3328072
post your work and i'll help

>>3328072
stop drawing with lines

>>3327991
thanks anon, that helped

copied from the QTDDTOT

power just went out at my house for a split second before I could save my progress on my image in Clip Studio Pro. Now all my lines are jagged and I don't know how to fix it. The pen writes jagged even though anti aliasing is all the way on, and when I turn it all the way off. Visually no difference. How do I fix it? Also is there a way to fix it with my current lines, without having to trace them again?

What are some good drills I can practice? It seems like I have a huge amount of trouble with construction. I just cant seem to grasp the idea of putting complex 3d shapes on top of each other. Like a rib cage followed by breasts.

Im studying everything but these guides never give any homework or drills, can you guys help me out?

hey, any advice would help. pl no bulli

>>3328254
heads a lil small
body (between hips and shoulders)is a lil wide

>>3328285
ah ok, thanks!

I did this with my brain

>>3328421
>>3328421
>>3328421

>>3328421
>>3328421
>>3328421

>>3328421
>>3328421
>>3328421

>>3325427
Fret not Anon, you accidentally created a great reaction image.