/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3318725
It's coming.

We've got the names for ch. 1 and 2 written, my m8's moving onto 3. I'm sketching ch.1 in the meantime as well as making some promo art. I'd like to have the names for 1-10 (the first arc) properly drawn before the contest results (April?).

>>3318843
Also, here's some WIP promo art. I just gotta paint the BG. The photo is a placeholder (as it'll use the same colors and a similar perspective). Not sure how I feel about the color schemes on the characters. I know Rika is meant to have red hair, and Chase blonde, but beyond that, I might change a lot in regard to the colors. I'll probably sit on it for a couple days while I work on other stuff. I've got time after all.

>>3318849
How many abs does this dude have?

>>3318876
This many.

That is something I should fix though. Dunno how I botched that one up.

>>3318876
>>3318878
Tbh, now that I look at it more carefully. His anatomy is a fucking mess. I gotta fix a bunch of stuff. That's what I get for adding clothes in over gesture cause I was too lazy to block in the body underneath.

>>3318876
He sold his pecs for more abs.

>>3318849
Nice dude. If they're a team, I always try to have one or two colors unifying them. I would desaturate her shirt so it's not so distracting, and also it'll match his hair better. You could also make his shirt more red so it matches her hair, though I like his color scheme as it is.

>>3318886
Not OP, but I never thought about it from that perspective. That's a good tip anon ^_^

>>3318886
Hmm, I might do that. I'll definitely desaturate her shirt. I also gotta think about what sort of thing it should say. I want it to look like a designer T, not something flat. Kinda like what Kubo would draw in those Bleach illustrations. Very /fa/.

I might also make her hoodie orange to match his shirt. It might create that sort of unity.

Thanks for the tip.

>>3318849
The guy's jawline is a bit weird.

>>3318849
Kinda interested in see this. You got a place to follow this at?

>>3318849
wow thats mega cool

>>3318725
It's going shit and I don't know why I went full madman and drew 4 chapters at once

Slow

I'm a lazy fag

Building up a buffer before I launch it.

>>3318849
very cool stuff. when did you start drawing? when did you start lurking here?

Still haven't finished drawing all storyboards for the first chapter.

>>3318977
*cringe*

>>3318849
You sure you want to rely on references and tracing for everything? You'll hit a wall pretty soon depending on how long this manga is.

>>3318911
I go my ManlySpirit on most social media. But it's probably better to follow me on Medibang if you're interested in reading the manga, as that's probably where it's gonna be released.

Here's the two pilots for this project in case you wanna give them a read:

https://medibang.com/book/0o1712240724059010004309649

https://medibang.com/book/1n1801041429027430004309649

>>3318988
I've been drawing my whole life, but only seriously for about 4 years. I found /ic/ like back in 2013.

>>3319215
Well, what do you mean by everything? Those poses are obviously not traced, otherwise MC's anatomy wouldn't be so botched lol.

If you mean the background. Well, I've only been to Tokyo once. You can't draw that which you don't understand. Story's set in Tokyo, so I'm obviously gonna have to rely heavily on reference for urban backgrounds.

As far as tracing goes. I've edited the image, both in terms of composition, and colors. And I'm only gonna use it for the perspective and colors. This is perfectly fine, and the way you should be using BG references. If you read Scott Rob's book on perspective, this exact method is described in Chapter 5 if I'm not mistaken. The grafitti and such I'm gonna design my own, as I want the foreground to have a grafitti that says "Tiger Square." The end result will look very different from the photo. This is not my photo, so obviously I have to heavily transform things to the point where the end result is totally different from the original to avoid potential legal issues in the future.

There will be plenty of BGs I have to draw entirely by hand. And it's just part of finding that balance. However, using photos for reference or even for direct tracing in manga is common practice, so long as the photo is yours, or free stock footage, or you have legal permission to use it, you're fine.

Watch the Manben episodes on YT. You'll see plenty of methods mangaka use to directly use photos for BGs. Yusuke Murata also does this a lot for OPM.

>>3319275
The problem isn't the usage of pictures, but the reliance on those. I'm not calling out as if it's some kind of cheat, just saying that relying on those will affect your creative process in the long run.

>>3318849
>tiny pecs
>200 abs
>faggy v-neck shirt that doesn't even fit properly
>2 tone hair
>protruding muzzle like a nigger
JUST

>>3319214
be constructive fgt

Workin on it, focusing on character design rn. Also thinking of using simpler cel shading for the whole thing.

>>3318725
Im a couple pages sketched in, and its literally the most fun ive ever had doing anything in my life.

none of you will ever make a "manga" you're not japanese. stop.

>>3319447
here's your (you)

Progress is slow because of work and school. Most of the way thru chapter 1 and while the art is servicable, it looks like I'm struggling, and I am. Might cave and resort to another redraw after I graduate. Rip

>>3319490
Remember that thread about some autists going on how japanese artists have "it" which makes them able to draw manga?
By this sketch, you seem like a person who actually has "it". Keep it up and plase post more.

>>3318725
Too slow because of engineer school, bored to death when drawing random nobodies and backgrounds, and still too retarded to know how to clean the drawing

Refering to your comics as manga is maximum weeb overdrive.
Do you also call your packed container of cold spaghetti a fucking bento?
Please tell me you at least draw them reading left to right

>>3319459
it's true, manga is what they refer to comics in japan. no one outside of your weeb circle will think of your work as authentic manga.

>>3319715
"manga" is just a weeb way of saying "comic". You are basically trying to say that only Japanese can make comics.

>>3319718
oh carry on then

>>3319729
Not sure why you got quoted. I clicked on >>3319447

>>3318977
kinda reminds me of modeseven's style but more unsettling

>>3319749
that was also my post

>>3319761
It's probably the face in the draft

Hopefully fixed this time

>>3319779
Maybe that's why it bugged out then.

>>3319718
>>3319715
>>3319700
>he hasn't read Scott Robertson
Actually, there are lots of subtle differences between comics and manga, and they extend well beyond the language and reading order.

As for why someone would wanna make manga and not comics, outside of having a preference for the medium/being more influenced by Japanese artists, well, for one, Manga is far more popular than Comics, and is in much higher demand, yes, even on the west. Making a manga means that you're not only making something for the west, but also have aspirations of tapping into the very lucrative Asian market by making something familiar enough for them to also pick it up.

Nothing worse than someone who goes halfway, and makes a manga-styled comic. Not only does it show a lack of commitment, and a certain degree of insecurity/self-hatred, but it also shows you don't understand your target audiences, and you'll wind up with a flop in your hands. Comic fans won't read it for being too weeb, and Manga fans won't read it cause it's not authentic enough. Learn the distinctions, and stick to one style. If you wanna make a comic, make a comic, if you wanna make a eurocomic, make a eurocomic, if you wanna make a manga, make a manga.

Finally, the idea that only Japs can make manga is absolutely retarded. Pic related.

>>3318725
writing down lots of script ideas, have 2 scripts already written and divided into sections and panel., just not drawn up yet.

the absolute state of /ic/ holy shit my sides
>>3319490
except you. i love you.

>>3319788
post ur work

>>3319783
>Actually there's culture

Anon. It's all just comics or whatever local word for it there is. Besides a lot of the stuff you think is tributed Japan when it comes to comics likely originate elsewhere. It's like science, no borders.

>>3319791
It's not culture. The types of panel transitions, the linework, the use of negative space, the toning, etc...

There are many things that separate comics from manga. They are both part of the same medium, but the styles are distinctive enough to merit different labels.

You try to make a manga without proper analysis of the subtle nuances, and your "manga" will wind up looking like Felipe Smith's Peepoo Choo. Competent, yes, but not authentic.

Also, I meant Scott McCloud, not Scott Robertson.

I'm still at the idea phase; I haven't even written the plot.
I'd like to draw my comic in 3 to 5 years, I don't want to linger on it for too long.
If anyone has some writing advice or tools, I'd appreciate.
Thanks in advance.

>>3319783
that's disgusting and I can tell it's western made

>>3319796
You are a huge weebo.

Like some dumb kid trying to explain why her favorite concept pop band is the next savior of music and how all the band members have a deep personality.

>>3319781
Also a lil more progress.

Clothing.

Even tho I know I can fix it by editing and it later when I color it digitally and is just a draft, I'm still hesitant on putting the pencil on the paper and ruin it. How many of you feel that as well?

>>3319800
go away weeb

>>3319796
is there a middle ground between making something that has influences and flat out copying manga for the sake of making authentic manga? the outcome sounds like i'd be terrible

>>3319800
It's made by a Korean you dumb fuck.

>>3319801
No, I'm just someone who's studied the subject matter extensively and has also spent time making both manga, comics, and hybrids.

This is all perfectly elaborated in Scott McCloud's books, he's even got a whole chapter dedicated to pointing out the differences.

How many manga/comics have you made anon?

How many books about making comics have you read?

>>3319804
no seriously it still has intrinsically western qualities to it despite it's heavily weabish influences

>>3319807
reading a lot of manga does not qualify as "studying the subject". I bet your only reference are American super hero comics.

>>3319806
It usually is. Trying to imitate an artstyle that your are not fond of will give it a cheap off-brand feel

just draw however is in your reach

fuck dumb numbers and "they'll recognize and feel familiar and pick it up" mentality

>>3319806
You should make authentic manga if your goal is to appeal to established manga fans. Making a hybrid will draw a lot if criticisms from people who ate used to manga for it not being familiar enough.

A lot of weebs try to go the hybrid route at first, in my experience, that's a rookie mistake. You can inject influences if Manga into Comics, or vice versa, abd that will make either one feel fresh. Saga for example is a Comic with Manga influence, so is Scott Pilgrim. But both are strictly comics. On the opposite end, Berserk and Hero Aca are Manga with Comic influences. This has to be a conscious effort though, and it has to come from understanding what ultimately separates both styles. Don't make a pure hybrid it'll likely have very bad results and will appeal to neither group.

>>3319811
I'm struggling to think of any publicized work produced outside of japan that is considered manga. like, even japanese mangakas and animators styles vary wildly and they themselves draw influences from stuff like disney or superhero comics. surely, you're all just on some hyper weeb bullshit.

>>3319811
It goes beyond style. Your style should be your style, and that's what you're most influenced by abd comfortable drawing.

A manga is a manga, because manga are made in a specific way. The line work is much thinner, backgrounds are more detailed, it's always pure monochrome, screentones are applied in very distinctive ways, the page dimensions have a different standard, the onomotopeya is styled differently, the geberally include more non-sequitur and aspect to aspect panel transitions (western comics are almost wholly dominated by moment to moment and scene to scene transitions with little variations), movement and action us conveyed differently and there is a heavier abundance of speed lines, it reads right to left, pages tend to have less panels (3-6 roughly) split into 3-4 rows max, the panelling style is more dynamic and angular, etc... All of those are specifically true for ALL manga, no matter the art style and author. They are hardly if at all true for comics.

If you wanna make a manga, you have to learn to apply all of those elements correctly, regardless of what your art style is like.

Fail to do so, and you won't have a manga. You'll have a weeb comic, or a hybrid.

>>3319816
>Don't make a pure hybrid it'll likely have very bad results and will appeal to neither group.

I hate this kind of mentality. You should writte and draw wathever you can do the best of. First make a good thing and If it ends up being a hybrid then let it be it.

Gashi gashi and Hiroyuki Imaishi get away with it, the same with scott pilgrim and gwenpool

>>3319828
It's ok to make a hybrid if you're an experienced professional who understands the differences between both styles.

It's not OK to make a hybrid if you're a weeaboo who wants to make a manga, bur doesn't wanna fully commit because they're afraid of being seen as "too weeb."

If you're a rookie and wanna make a manga, then make a manga. The experience will teach you the differences at play which will allow you to focus on crafting a unique style.

>>3319837
Let's destroy weebs that make deviant-art pieces with bases to make their black buttler OCs then the true artists will reign supreme

>>3319837
>>3319841
what is a western made manga? seriously what the h are you talking about?

>>3319843
I dunno I just posted a bear and advocate for a final solution to the weeb question

>>3319843
There were plenty of western-made manga entered in the Shounen Jump contest, so you're free to start there.

>>3319843
>what the h

>>3319852
so an actual manga studio made a contest to recruit artists, so literally a hyper weeb niche thing. literally not actual published western manga scene. right.

>>3319796
But the whole part of art is do stuff you want to make. Adhering to retarded customs and cliches from manga is just silly. Like make your own comics or whatever and stop being so obsessed with how to name it. If it's quality, people will read it. And yes that includes writing.

>>3319857
nice one reddit

>>3319874
No anon.

You need to gain experience before to tackle dream projects. Comic making is it's own art form. Telling people with zero experience to just wing it without understading the medium is dumb, and arguing that manga and comics are the same thing because they both operate under the same medium is as dumb as arguing that impressionism, and realism are the same thing, and that "dude, you should just paint whatever you like," without learning to appreciate the differences between both styles.

There are differences between comics and manga, pretending they're the same thing just shows ignorance on your behalf.

>>3318725
i dont make manga
i make superior western comics

>>3319877
Absolutely btfo

>>3319896
Well i still don't understand what you mean by these differences. I think this discussion could help a lot if you outline some characteristics of manga compared to comics. Also don't confuse an innate desire to make your own stuff with no practice, in my opinion it takes a lifetime to really understand what you want to make and learning stuff is a big part in that. So don't just wing it, but don't get caught up in elements ascribed to manga simply because more successful people have created those.

>>3319783
Anyone know where I can read theory on the usage of aspect-to-aspect panelmaking in manga and comic books?

>>3319971
Understanding Comics

Do doujin count? I'm putting mine off until the last minute.

>>3319975
post conny cunny sketches

>>3319975

You have a buying link?

>>3319971
>Scott Mcloud:
-Making Comics:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=2A49FF5A214EECFEE4C5DF15CE385C96
-Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=AC76068A58B35B3E9ABD54948DFF4D8A
>Composition and framing:
-Framed ink:
vk
.com/doc4043932_437240565?hash=969fb596980d1f122f&dl=561057a5be92b88b91
-/a/ lesson on spacing:
m.vk
.com/wall366484900_35

>Reading flow:
https://youtu.be/lIIA6QDgl2M
https://youtu.be/jJK7oysHoMw
https://youtu.be/MYtz2ZhKxFE

>Pacing:
-PANELING, PACING, & LAYOUT IN COMICS & MANGA:
https://lilrivkah.livejournal.com/168859.html
https://lilrivkah.livejournal.com/169915.html

>Common effects for particles, strokes and lighting used in comics and manga:
-Expressive Sketching (Colored CG Tutorial Series), Character Texture presentation:
vk
.com/doc366484900_459259147?hash=90bae477ccd23c27fb
-Pen and tone techniques:
vk
.com/doc366484900_459257741?hash=e7bfd4d166ba68ce65

>Digitally drawing comics:
-The DC Comics Guide to Digitally Drawing Comics:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=8CCDC06C2974596A5FF12B5FFDB1121C

>Just a general guide for more tips n structions n stuff:
vk
.com/topic-4918594_27696136?post=19578

Hope it helps

>>3319823
There's a few people in France selling their comics as manga, some of them even sell them in Japan
Look for manga like Dreamland, Radiant, or even Dofus

>>3320092
There also doon for latin amurica

Is a mixed bags of your typical deviant art kiddie cold Steel the hedheg, and artists with self awareness good paneling and mad drawign skills.

The skill spectrum is so allwybr over the place that the stories arent the selling point as much as something like lootbox for the thrill to see if you get to eat shit or really good stuff.

>>3320100
>hedheg
>drawign
>allwybr

>>3320101
i'm on my phone

>>3320101
>>3320102
hedheg is on purpose tho

>>3319914
I've already listed who those are here >>3319826

If what you want are detailed examples, the read Understanding Comics, and Making Comics, by Scott McCloud, links are here >>3320021

baka

Anyone upload on webtoons or tapas? Did you get a good audience?

>>3318725
I've written the first few chapters but that's about it

>>3320368
What is it about?

>>3320371
It's a comedy manga, right now I'm trying out different characters. I won't be able to finish any chapter for a long time because my drawing sucks.

>>3320014

>>3320015
I'm looking around for somewhere to sell. Booth seems the easiest for me and I don't have to worry about getting my lewd stuff removed by righteous administrators but requires a pixiv account to buy things. Gumroad seems alright but it's kind ambiguous as to whether my stuff would be allowed. I've heard that they allow cartoon porn but it doesn't really mention it in their ToS. Loli always runs a risk for western-run sites, though.

I haven't started the Constanze one yet, though.

Fi

Finally got into monochrome stuff in CSP using tone layer.
I only need to learn how to draw better I think...

>>3320377
The good thing about comedy is that you don't need a super realistic or cute art style to convey the humor.
I mean, this vid is probably the thing that made me laugh the most in any anime from the past 5 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqkmI3ZdJ8c

>>3320382
Hey I recognize that image. Can I have your blog?

Got loads of ideas but can't really stick with just one.

>>3320477
Start out with the smallest easiest to execute ones to gain experience.

Make a document where you compile all of your ideas. Overtime, you'll begin to be able to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones better.

That's my method at least.

>>3320021
thank you!

>>3320475
https://twitter.com/orenjipiiru

>>3319826

> All of those are specifically true for ALL manga, no matter the art style and author.


Different anon but if you're narrowing the whole of manga to say, Shonen manga, maybe. But even then a lot that is from differences in the way they're read(like the difference in page dimensions) and popular stylistic trends. Like, does Superman suddenly become bande dessinee if it was made to look and read the Incal?

I mean I don't care whether or not people called their shit "manga" or "comics", but people gotta stop making it out like they're two different things

>>3321020
They are two different things, and it'd be wise to learn distinctions between the styles in order to properly apply the various elements. Pretending it's irrelevant, and going at it blindly is just gonna net you a poorly made Frankenstein comic that appeals to no one.

And look, you can't argue with me on this, various professionals have looked into, and categorized the differences. Just because you refuse to read the literature, doesn't mean the observations are invalid because they don't align with your view of things.

Manga are comics. Comics are manga. The difference in style is only due to the difference in market that both have. If you go to barnes and noble and look at the comics that aren't Marvel or DC shit you'll see they have a lot in common with Japanese stuff.

>>3321149
Walking Dead has nothing in common with manga outside of being monochrome.

>>3321130
>They are two different things

professional artists usually don't see the distinction. It's only in communities like the sub-weabo culture that hangs out here that you run into the claim that Japanese comics are somehow isolated and above the rest of the world.

What we do see a lot in Japanese comics is that the professionals with a deadline tend to copy each other a lot. Not just in style and layout (One start cutting corners but using rl photo's for backgrounds and a lot of other artists will follow when they see the viewers accept it) but also in themes (So guy getting stuck in a gaming world is new and popular? Let's all do a version of that). Because it's such a harsh working environment combined with a strong buying power from some groups of fans they tend to synchronize a lot like that.

To an outsider who doesn't see the context and influences that can all easily translate into that what is going on is vastly different.

>>3321130
>They are two different things

Professional artists usually don't see the distinction. It's only in communities like the sub-weabo culture that hangs out here that you run into the claim that Japanese comics are somehow isolated and above the rest of the world.

What we do see a lot in Japanese comics is that the professionals with a deadline tend to copy each other a lot. Not just in style and layout (One start cutting corners but using rl photo's for backgrounds and a lot of other artists will follow when they see the viewers accept it) but also in themes (Some guy gets stuck in a gaming world is now new and popular? Let's all do a version of that then). Because it's such a harsh working environment combined with a strong buying power from some groups of fans the artists tend to synchronize a lot like that.

To an outsider who doesn't see the context and influences that can all easily translate into that 'what is going on is vastly different'.

>>3321020
this

>>3321229
Professional artists do see the distinction, and the fact that you can't just shows how much more you've got left to learn. Many professionals have literally written books elaborating on the topic, but your myopic ass still insists it's not true. It's retarded. It's like arguing there aren't any meaningful differences in different styles of painting. What sort of moron argues that shit?

>>3321251
lol.

Image is the only type of books that have been written on that subject. Literally just trash invented to scam retards out of their money. Thank you for illustrating your level of competence.

>>3321251
We understand, I've read will eisner and scott mccloud too but you need to stop appealing to the authority of a book most likely published before you were born. There have been 25+ years of development and cross inspiration to occur since then and I question how well read you really are.

https://kyikyikyi.tumblr.com/

>>3319790
>ur
Ill say no because of your ironic spelling

>>3321256
Not the other anon but
I used to own the Scholastic manga book as a kid, but as I got older I realized that it was actually really shit, so I got pic related on my birthday. I don't read it anymore but there's a surprising amount of good detail in 200 pages - history of Japan and art, the introduction of manga, manga layouts, character archetypes, etc.. And the actual how-to-draw-manga-characters thing is at the very end of the book.

It's hard finding books like mine but like the other anon said there are some professionals out there who don't make garbage like the Scholastic one

>>3321349
Even when Japan was crazy isolated and this was their art contribution to the world they were still taking inspiration from outside (and were inspiring European artists to new ideas too). Comics in Japan is in constant change and have seen a lot of evolution over the recent decades. Pretty much all those changes have been inspired by outside influence and they have then in return inspired others. There are old European comics that look more like modern manga than old manga did.

When it comes to something as fundamental as art it doesn't really make much sense to thing of national borders unless you are talking about propaganda (But even then there's a universal image language that is hard to pinpoint to a nation).

>>3321401
forgot image

Assembled a lot of ref, and I've done a lot of one page comics. I usually sketch inside a manga outline. I want to do some Yonkoma.

Dialogue is ass, I suppose you have to have several characters delineated in order to make conversation gel.

I still love Tatsuya Ishida's work even if it's become incomprehensible.

>>3321446
The key to dialogue is always having at least one participant saying "no" to another in some way

What's a very satirical manga title?

>>3321449
That's a terrible advice but I can't tell if you are serious.

>>3321447
I'd love to do a regular Yonkoma comic that looks like Sinfest meets Broom Hilda, but it would need Schulz's genius for character.

>>3321449
I'll agree with that yet it's more about a ricochet of "story values" from what I've heard. Sometimes you can do character studies centered around self-confliction.

>>3321449
The key to dialogue is to characterize your characters as REAL people, and then write what that person would say given the context. Combine multiple fun personalities, and you create fun banter between mates.

Your advice is fucking awful. You don't have irl friends, do you? When was the last time you spoke to a real human being outside of bare necessities stuff? Like, an actual conversation.

I would like to do something more like an european comics and pitch an editorial like Dargaud (France) 001 Edizioni (Italy).

The problem is, those are the high tier editorials and I don't speak French nor Italian, the only option is Norma (Spanish) since it's my native language and it's still in the high tier of editorials.

For all the mockery being made in this thread I think most of the art posted so far has been much better than the garbage people draw in /co/‘s webcomic threads.

>>3321450
Short Cuts by Usamaru Furuya.

>>3320571
Yeah been doing that.

The problem is I like too many genres and styles so I don't know which one to go for. I might just make a bunch of one-shots and see which one I would want to continue.

>>3321538
I've downloaded it and will take a look at it eventually. It's different from his Crusades comic!

>>3319393
make more

>>3321483
Anon if you already speak Spanish then Italian will be very easy for you to learn. Obviously there are differences but the languages are very similar. And the crazy thing is once you've picked up a second Romance language the others become easier to learn. I'm a native Spanish speaker, took Italian in high school and then was able to start reading French without instruction (because I could now compare French to my acquired Italian and found more similarities). You could do it too.

the aesthetic sensibility will never be the same. the sense of design will never be the same. your work will inherently not resemble a japanese persons work. and thats fine! draw your true self, but you have to fucking practice first. your goal to "make manga" by reading manga and studying manga artists is going to produce horrible derivative shit.

>>3322317
Thanks anon, i'm a native spanish speaker too so let's see how things work out. Again thanks!

Struggle to do decent paneling? Do the pages just feel off and the flow of the eye just feels janky?

https://twitter.com/rachel_thorn_en/status/954370209380368384

This Twitter thread helped me A TON. I never really could figure out what was wrong with the layout of my pages... And then BAM.

>>3318725
Anyone else feel like they would never read a manga that was not made in japan by a japanese person?? They all just seem to be absolute trash imho.. why bother....

>>3318725
I have been farming my skills but yet not starting one, looking to do so very soon.

>>3318849

>>3324689
im open to the idea but all the non jap comics ive seen have been so ufcking shit its not even funny

the only good non jap comics ive read have been scott pilgrim, seconds and pokemon nuzlocke

>>3324689
http://www.devilscandycomic.com/
Here you go, think Little Witch Academia, but co-ed and with monsters instead.

>>3324725
Try Blacksad, even for the art only. A sample of the art was already posted in this thread.

>>3322478
a really interesting read, gotta check my comic's layout!

Starting. In the page 3.

>>3324730
The tumblr influence is painful as it is obvious. Quit after one page.

>>3325455

Is that based on that autistic jewish girl who can't sleep who makes crappy food youtube videos for attention from /r9k/ fans?

>>3324689
its because when nonjapanese do it, they try to adopt everything they've learned but it always falls short of that key ingredient. Also, the humor and nuances are going to be western. but with japanese manga faces. It's like putting soy sauce and natto on my cheese fries, except with no possibility of it turning out good because damn it does sound kind of good

>>3325461
basically, nailing anime faces is one thing. but good luck learning how to write like a japanese

>>3325461
That key ingredient being...?

>>3325459

Yes, because Agatha was the perfect character for this role. But when I dismounted the videos I got discouraged.

>>3325467
its own singular identity. important for all comics. its a fucking drag if the authors trying too hard to force something that its not there. thats why i prefer to keep it simple, western artists tell their own story, use the elements they know intimately. nobodys hacked apart simpsons and drew a comic with people looking like the simpsons even though we all grew up with them, because nobody believes in our own art. japanese dont have this problem.

>>3325458
I'm doing little, there is much to be corrected, but the pencils are ready to ink.

>>3325472
This is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on /ic/. Humans learn by imitation, if you're gonna make manga, obviously you're gonna imitate the works of Japanese creators, regardless of whether or not you yourself are Japanese or not.

And quit pretending Manga is some mythical high art, 90% of it is literal dogshit, and the few that are actually decent, often have various flaws to them.

You can't sit there and preach about identity, when shit like Fairy Tail and Black Clover exist.

>>3325492

I'm agree

>>3325492
im pretty sure you read things I didnt write in my post. Manga is mythical high art? whered you garner that from you stain.
but i do agree that you should imitate. its just fucking painful when its forced, which, if you connect the wires together, youll understand as Bad Imitations. Make sense?

>>3325494
I guess, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. People should most definitely try, and they should create what they're inspired to create, without feeling ashamed about it cause they're not Japanese. The more westerners that set out to make manga, the higher likelihood that someone will not only make one that's decent, but actually as good as some of the best in the medium.

Reason most western attempts at manga have been lackluster, is cause anime and manga have remained incredibly niche in the west for the better part of three decades, thus, the pioneers of it have existed in a space with light competition where anything that's relatively competent gets a ton of attention and praise.

Give it time, anime and manga are becoming more mainstream, and with that + the digital age, you have more and more people wanting to create. Higher competition makes it so that only the best of the best stand out. It's the harsh environment that refines ok works, into truly great pieces.

>>3325513
I agree, people shouldn't feel ashamed. Because I suspect that shame is precisely what holds people back. The urge to create is strong, so it can go on despite things like shame, but shame continuously being present will lower the end product as a whole. If the artist is indeed ashamed of using japanese visual vocab, then it will show, and it will be hard for readers to engage what could have been an interesting story.
I already see new approaches to the fusion, this is really an old problem.

>>3321256
I got this book and its predecessor when I was in elementary school. I'm obliged to love them because they got me on the path I am now, before them I didn't really draw.

Now I can realize they're objectively flawed to shit (even though I really enjoy the coloring still, for some reason), but I'll always love them.

>>3325476
tfw no colombian weaboo artbuddy

>>3325573

>weaboo artbuddy

I don't understand

>>3321483
Dude, I'm italian, why Italy? France pay more, it's a bigger market.

>>3319806
Of course there is middle ground. There are tons of artists who grew up reading manga and even if they work on western comics you can still see the influence.

Every country has its own way of doing comics - how many pages, the panel disposition, the kind of shots used- but nowadays there is a lot of contamination.

In France there are many artists heavily influenced by manga.

Pic related: The Ogre Gods - Petit, by Hubert and Gatignol.

>>3325697

This is Last Man by Balak, Sanlaville et Vivès.

>>3325703
This is Barbucci's Chosp.

>>3325711
I like Barbucci. I have his artbook for SkyDolls.

I agree that Eurocomics are a very nice blend between manga and comics.

>>3325513
Part of the problem is that Western comics were censored after their Golden Age, around 1954, so you had 4-panels, satire and superheroes but true crime "Gekiga" was outlawed by the comics code authority. A lot of American filmmakers in the 1970's were probably more influenced by 50's comics than films.

>>3326331
Has Coppola ever commented on 1950's comics?

>>3326331
absolutely fascinating to read that shit

>>3326331
>almost 100 million comic books sold per month
Imagine if that trend had continued, how visually literate would we be today?

>>3326340
Retailers currently purchase fewer than 10m comics per month, and that's seen as a high figure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/12/the-resurgence-of-comic-books-the-industry-has-its-best-selling-month-in-nearly-two-decades/?utm_term=.32b2beb89e11

But look at Japanese titles... One Piece can sell 1.5m copies in a single month just by itself!

>>3319301
Why should he be constructive? It's just a doodle on lined paper, it doesn't deserve constructive feedback.

>>3326381
>>>>>>>>>>Lined paper
>it doesn't deserve constructive feedback.
Woaugh

Is this peak /ic/?

>>3322478
I was expecting old known stuff, but this is quite good.

>>3326400
cringe

>>3326408
Say to my face and not online fgt I'll deconstruct your face and frame it in a collage

>>3326409
my face is already as deconstructed as your drawings desu

>>3326413
tfw

>>3318725
Decided to change directions and remake the first chapter for the third time in a row, stopping me in my tracks cause I can't come up with any ideas of how to get from Point A to Point B.
Then what really stopped me in my tracks was I realized my inking still wasn't good enough and I don't have enough experience with inking or rendering with screentones and shading/lighting. So I've spent the last two weeks trying every brush possible in CSP to get something I like and trying to figure out how to render better.

I told myself I would've had the first chapter finish two months ago.

>>3326441
Take the G-Pen in CSP, and customize it so that it's more like a real pen. Use it at .4 pp.

As far as rendering goes, just use screentones with hard edges, and soften those when you need to with the crosshatching tool.

Make sure you have good contrast between pure blacks and negative space when needed.

That's it. Idk why you need to "render" anything. Manga is monochrome.

>do shitty comedy small comics
>nobody gives a fuck
>don't know if it's unfunny or the art is too bad, or both

How can I know if something is funny? I gave myself a giggle, atleast.

>>3326582
Post a strip here. If I reply with a 'kek' you should open yourself a Patreon account.

>>3326582
post it

>>3321401
>There are old European comics that look more like modern manga than old manga did.
Any example? Or are you just talking about 80's BD?

>>3326585
>>3326588

Looking back at it, it's kinda retarded.

>>3326607
perspective

>>3326612
B-but it's funny?

>>3326614
it's amusing in the sense it feels like you're going for a non sequitur kind of feel (read your scott mccloud), but the noose joke has the potential to be funny were it not poorly drawn

>>3326626
So you think the art has a strong impact in comedy?

How can I know if a better or a simpler art is the choice here? I've never stumbled upon an art and comedy related material.

>>3326607

>>3326633
Not him but I don't get the joke, at all. but it reminds me of those old 4chan comics that made you interested in what they were referencing.

>>3326589
BD?

Anyway just as Japanese comic go in many directions art wise so does European. It's a bit hard to find them with searches as I don't know their originally titles but the image shows "Légendes des contrés oubliées" from the late 1980s, Sillage started in 1998, Metabarons started in 1992 (Probably the best drawn comic to date- including manga), Sky doll mentioned above is an Italian comic from 2000...

I know there are many more but you'll have to discover those on your own.

There are many times I've seen people here on /ic/ praise manga artists for being innovative when it comes to style where I've been able to see where their inspirations came from.

>>3326656
Didn't know blank spaces were bad in comics. Maybe I'm retarded?

>>3326682
not him.

BD stands for bande dessinée, they are franco-belgian comics.

Also, Barbucci and Canepa are italians, but they work for France mainly

>>3326715
Blank spaces in general are bad If it's not intentional framing to convey a mood or feeling then it's useless and needs either to be filled or cut out.

>>3326633
>So you think the art has a strong impact in comedy?

Yes. And for your kind of comedy (surreal black humor I Guess) I would go for a simpler style honestly.

Keep in mind, simpler doesn't mean easier.

>>3326607
>>3326715
Read this

>Framed Ink Drawing and Composition for Visual Storytellers
vk
.com/doc4043932_437240565?hash=969fb596980d1f122f&dl=561057a5be92b88b91

funny comic though

>>3326750
not him but how does one even write jokes?

>>3326758
if you have to ask...

>>3326761
then I'm likely a savant?

>>3326771
Good comedic skills takes some degree of wit. If you don't have it then you usually can't fake it (Not without help at least).

>>3326774
I have lots of wit, enough to make your eyes water. I am just not aware of the structure of jokes, and frankly they are intimidating

>>3326778
The structure is simple. Whatever works goes. Worrying about the "structure of jokes" shouldn't even be an issue if the joke was good.

>>3326790
is this joke good?

>>3326799
explain where it is.

>>3326802
But if I explain it it ruins the joke.

>>3326805
Which could then be used to determine if a joke is good in the first place. hinthint.

>>3326808
but what if I was lying about there being a joke?

>>3326816
Then you lied. Doesn't really matter.

>>3326817
Can the lie count as a joke?

>>3326823
only if it's funny. (If you have to ask...)

>>3326742
Speaking of. If you're getting your comic/manga internationally translated, would these be the ideal languages to shoot for?

English
Spanish
French
Japanese
Korean
Chinese

I feel that would hit all the marks.

>>3326823
You are a cringey retard, no wonder your comic is so trash and void of humor

>>3326823

>>3326876
I didn't post a comic though, mr. crab

>>3326927
>people who think I'm a retard are crabs
No wonder you got to be the way you are. Keep it up you hopeless dumbass

>>3326962
mr. crab are you even listeni-

>>3326607
This is my skill level too. How high is this in the scale?

>>3327048
Has a grasp on the fundies but is very low tier at that

Still begginer

>>3326607
I mean, if anything it's funny purely through how absurd it is. But then again my sense of humor is practically backwards compared to every other person in the room.

I'd say flesh out the last 3 panels more and make what you're trying to say more clear for the sake of your joke.

>>3327048
well as long as you have fairly interesting stuff to read I can ignore even the worst art. Comics are cool like that.

>>3326607
Try to avoid visual gags for now. That's where you failed us.

>>3327062
This is true, it took a while but I came around to reading ONE's version of One Punch Man and a bit of Mob Psycho 100. We all know he can't draw for shit but damn is what he's writing good.

Then again none of us have one of the best mangaka currently alive redrawing our shitty webcomics or have some of the best studios animating them to attract an audience huh

>>3327067
imho the murata redraw and the anime completely obliterated any trace of irony/spoofiness. At times it felt like it was trying to be japanese marvel

>>3327050
I wonder how many years till I leave the beginner tier. I don't even know what the fuck to do anymore.

>>3327104
tie a noose

>>3327114
Then what? Is this the secret? Just to tie a noose?

>>3327117
What do you think?

>>3327104
Learn more advanced books.

If you read Perspective for begginers now go for "scott robertson how to draw"

If you are done with loomis fun with a pencil, go to Figure Drawing for All It's Worth

etc etc

Go ask the book thread which would be a good sequel of wathever books you've already read

>>3327117
The method of tying a noose is layered with subtle lessons. i want you to tie one hundred nooses.

Want to do a light novel actually, with a few illustrations. Wrote the general story. I'm a novelist so writing portion isn't hard, story itself is tricky though. Similar to Kino no Tabi I guess. With more of an overarching storyline. Just really fussy and delicate, psychological.
Is there even a market for english language LN?
It takes like 3 months to draw manga for what I could write in one day. So inefficient.

>>3325455
It's cute but the speech doesn't add anything. Actually detracts from the art. If you leave out speech, more focus is on the character. Nice backgrounds, Mushishi tier. You have my approval except that woven sweaters are the WORST to go innawoods with. Catch on fucking everything.

>>3327050
Oh, hey, rate me >>3319275

Where do you think I stand overall, and what are some areas you think I should improve?

Someone over in an /a/ thread said "it's good but, there's something missing." I have a few ideas of what that might be, but regardless, extra feedback is always good.

I know both of those one shots are lacking in a few areas, but I've made an effort to try and improve on sone categories. My linework, and my panelling, which imo is my weakest area overall. I've started to go for a range of 2-6 panels a page, with an average of 3, not only is it easier on the reader, but having less panels make page composition much easier.

>>3327104
Here's my advice judging on where you seem to be.

Perspective and composition seem to be your biggest weaknesses. I would recommend you go through Scott Robertson's book on perspective, and then, gather a collection of film stills, and start doing studies from those. Sakuga is also good. But films especially have really good composition. I also recommend the YT channel "Every Frame a Painting."

In terms of drawing, I recommend learning to sketch fast and loosely rather than accurately. Are you doing live figure drawing sessions? If not, you should. If you can't, next best thing would be the websites that let you do it from photos. I recommend, 30 seconds, 5 mins, and 15 mins as the times, for 2 hour session, so break it down from there, starting small and moving up.

Once you've got that down, you should be able to compose scenes. The next step would then be sequencing them to tell a story.

Now, since you seem to be going for comedy, I couldn't quite exactly tell you how to get comedic timing down pat, as I think that's something I've still gotta properly learn too, but my approach would be to read a lot of comedy manga, and learn by imitation. Cromartie High comes to mind as a good series to look into.

Oh yeah, also, read Scott McCloud (both books) and Framed Ink. In fact, not just read them but study them

>>3327127
Now that you said this, I've been thinking and I actually have been reading more than drawing. I think I need to actually draw more.

Funny, huh? The last thing I considered was actually just drawing.

>>3327141
Dayum, I don't know why I've never seen that channel before.

Thanks for all this material, man, really appreciate it. I would mail you the noose I just tied here, but that would just be an expensive bad joke so just take this image.

>>3326656
Fuckin hell

>>3320321
Also curious about this.

>>3318930
ewwww

>>3318930
That last panel face is inappropriate, to say the least

Fucking terrible. My family and my boss from work are the most aggravating pieces of shit imaginable. Every thing they do is a disruption and they won't stop. I may have to just freak out and kill everyone but knowing them they will find a way to sandbag me. I can't sleep I can't have quiet and I have to work on my project at absurd hours just so it's quiet.

I fucking hate life and everyone around me. Let's not get into the challenges my artwork is suffering from because I don't get the time to figure them out.

>>3318725

>>3328510
christ anon. I feel for you

>>3318930
Furfag, Dat you?

Manga resource dump!

Looking for a way to save your manga scripts?
Check out celtx, a cloud-based scripting software. Just make sure to download the standalone exe or app because the web version sucks and be careful because the app can crash. I suggest creating one script per chapter and not bundle everything together in one file.
https://www.celtx.com/index.html

Want a better way to check and collect image references?
Check Pureref out, it's free and you can save, arrange and group all your reference pics.
https://www.pureref.com/download.php

Want something motivating you to keep practicing? Check out Canvas Tutor on the play store, it's got daily challenges and tracks your progress.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pimentoso.android.canvastutor&hl=en_EN

Need a poseable figure? Either check out designdoll or get easy poser from play store, it's limited but hey, whaddya gonna do.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.madcat.easyposer&hl=en_EN

Want inspiration? Watch Urasawa Naoki no Manben, a series of episodes showing several manga artists' process and how they see manga as a form of art and entertainment. It's got 4+seasons, my favorite episode is Junji Ito's.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x65w5fu

Looking for a good android manga reader? Check out tachiyomi or its hentai alternative, tachiyomieh. Using tachiyomieh, you can access ehentai and search for "artbook how_to" for quick lessons and references.
https://github.com/inorichi/tachiyomi

Keep drawing and you're gonna make it.

>>3318930
ppl giving him shit and not helpin

1- adults have larger faces
2-The first panel looks like 2 lanky kong sitting in a bench

>>3328576
actually the first panel works pretty good...

its just that last panel makes me forget about any redeeming qualities the page has. that face would make chris hart weep

>>3326656
I'm fucking dying

>>3326656
Holy fuck, I can't breathe.

>>3328595
>>3328958
Not sure if it's expressing joy or in need of medical attention...

>>3329023
>Not sure if it's expressing joy or in need of medical attention...

It's me expressing how funny anon's post was.

I assume you're salty he critiqued your shitty image?

>>3329027
No anon. I was just making fun of your autistically over-the-top way to try and tell us you think it was funny. And nice projection but I haven't posted any image in this thread.

>>3329035
>No anon. I was just making fun of your autistically over-the-top way to try and tell us you think it was funny.
>So new he's never heard 'muh sides' before

Your on an imageboard which is full of autistically over the top shit. Newfag please leave.

>>3329038
>Wearing your emotional responses all the way out on your sleeves.
>Playing tough guy with sharp elbows.

Oh boy.

>>3327127
That gif is moving backwards?

>>3326607
Are whales a metaphor for jews?

>>3329315
Of course.

>>3329046
Nice projection shitposter kun. Shouldn't you be drawing? NGMI

>>3330406
>projection
>say the guy who got all salty over the laugh at his poor humor and decided to call the funny for "salty".

>>3330788
>say the guy who got all salty over the fact that humor wasn't to his taste because he's a massive newfag who wants shitposting because NGMI

Kek.

>>3331734
Where do you get the salty from in the first place? Is it because you had a hard time dealing with a funny comment? The salt you taste is the salt running down your cheeks.

did this as practice to try and get a pace and workflow for an upcoming webcomic. photoshop isn't too great for lettering and layout, any recommended programs?

>>3332031

>>3332033

>>3332031
Medibang paint seems good enough to use for paneling and speeck bubbles and such.

>>3332037
downloaded, thanks!

you will never make anime or manga because anime and manga artists themselves don't make a distinction between "anime" and western comics. anime is their form of comics and animation. they derive influences from western media. it's literally retrograde to try to mimic japanese anime style.

>>3332494
>this topic again
Good God, fuck off you retard. Don't you have better things to do?

I don't make manga, I make comics. I fucking hate that we're stuck calling japanese comics manga and japanese animation anime.

I know for a fact that shitty "how to draw manga" books, and art teachers shitting on anime would be much less prominent if we just used fucking english.

>>3332517
every day until you understand

>>3332537
if you don't care for the art historical context then you don't belong here

>>3332547
Get a life you autist.

>>3332607
He has a point, I've been thinking about it a while.

If you are an american influenced by manga and anime (who isnt these days) then you will be a comic writer with japanese influences.

I think one thing people forget is that when they read scanlations of manga, they are still missing out on a ton of cultural nuances, so what ultimately happens is the comic writer takes a watered down version of japanese humor, and calls it his 'influence.' Quite sad, right? Doesn't even end there.

The writer goes on to make his comic and without real explanation, makes a JAPANESE MANGA. No briefing, nothing. Almost as if the writer himself is operating under the pretense that if you were to even bring up the question about why his work is trying to be japanese, it would be a grave offense.

In short, there isn't a real dicussion about whether or not it is possible. Its just that this is the digital age of the amateur - and there will be a ton of shit artists that bring down the standard. It's not that its impossible to make a good comic with japanese influences. Its just that theres not enough people doing so, so now everyones thinking either of two things: its straight up impossible, or just shut up, dont ask questions, and trace anime/manga until you 'get' it.

Shit artists, people. Know who they are, know how to identify them, and it will make your media consumption a lot easier as an artist.

>>3332631
Of all the stupid things I've read on 4chan recently this one stands out. The rest of the world isn't obsessed with japan like you are.

>>3332653
it's probably the smartest post itt

>>3332664
>t. the author

Doesn't really matter though. There's a group of borderline retarded weebs hanging out on this board.

>>3332587
What the fuck are you talking about

3331963

Sorry but no (You) for you. Stay mad newfag ;)

>>3332631
Goddammit you fucking weeaboo. Just fuck off already.

>>3333113
man you're stupid. he's calling out weabbos and the whole premise of this thread.

>>3333115
>muh manga can only be made by Japanese
>muh manga and comics are the exact same thing
>muh, you'll never make manga cause you're not Japanese

Fuck off already faggot. You've been dubunked dozens of times ITT already, yet keep shutting your ears to other arguments and evidence.

Nobody cares, go away and let people be you autist.

>>3333126
>muh crude greentext that mischaracterizes what the post was about
>muh I'm going to call him an autistic weabbo for no reason at all when I'm clearly the autistic weabbo
he stated plain facts, you're mad for no reason.

Nobody gives a fuck about the japanese culture, we just want the scantly clad sexy females.

>>3333126
he's right, the only way you could authenitcally make manga is if you moved to japan and got work at a japanese studio where the word manga was common parlance but by then you'd realize there's no difference between what we call comics and manga.

>>3333138
The only way you can make pasta is if you move to Italy and use the ingredients farmed there!

>>3333154
to make authentic italian tasting pasta, yes of course you would. and you'd have to have been culinarily trained by locals and have immersed yourself in the environment. damn you weebs are dum dums.

>>3318849
keep in mind this is the best thing posted itt and this is what weebs mean when they say they're making manga. jesus christ, give it up and do something better with your time already.

>>3333154
True. It's laughable what passes for pasta and pizza outside of Italy. I say this as an Italian of course. Seriously, don't invite any Italian to some American "Italian" restaurant unless you hate us.

>>3333138
>>3333159
yeah no.

>>3333168
would you kindly explain what I'm supposed to gleen from this? manga is comics in the japanese language. you're symbol drawing and circle jerking wont make you good artists. accept it. the truth will set you free.

>>3333170
don't you see they are 2 entirely different things? I don't want to be a mangaka, you just seem stupid.

>>3333173
those particular images look different because you selectively picked images that were different yes, that doesn't mean they're entirely different things. now please stop saying that you're making mangas already.

>>3333174
Post manga that looks like the comic image I posted, don't selectively pick it of course since that is your argument.

>>3333175
you can find two different japanese comics that look just as different from one another. calvin and hobbes doesn't look like watchmen. tekkon kinkreet doesn't look like akira doesn't look like dragonball. you're retarding yourself by focusing on the style instead of focusing on improving. it's sad.

>>3333173
>finds some shitty rob leyfield image that all agree are shitty
>compares it to his personal idol.

You just killed your own argument and you probably don't realize it.

>>3333179
wtf. how did that post get linked when I hadn't clicked on it? was meant for >>3333168

>>3333176
wtf, not even asking that.
>>3333179
literally just google searched manga page.

>>3333159
No you wouldn't you dumbass but you are right about weebs being dumb too.

>>3333182
>wtf, not even asking that.
yes you were saying that a style of american comic was so wildly different from that of how japanese comics looks to be considered "wildly different distinct things" when comics within the same countries can have just as wildly varying art styles. it's a non argument.

>>3333183
well the italian itt seems to disagree. whatever ou're all fags peace

>>3333185
No they don't. Only nationalistic dumbasses like you. Every single town there got dumbasses who think their region make the only real pasta in the country. In the meantime Italian companies import ingredients and no Italian can taste the difference.

>>3333184
well, good luck i guess.

>>3333164
I'm the creator, and I'll be the first to tell you that's not manga. That's an illustration.

>>3333126
Manga are comics though. It's a different style of comic, but it's still a type of comic

Manga isn't a different medium from comic books, and anime is most certainly not a different medium from western animation

>>3333154
>>3333159
for pasta sauce, san marzano tomatos are distinct.
>>3333126
>>3332631
spending 50/50 time in japan and us, there is a lot lost in us translated manga. western manga that try to incorporate japanese humor fail 90% of the time. it's stupid in japan but the "EEEHHHHHH" type humor, when replicated in the US just looks cringe. look at how cringe those moments were in the teen titan cartoon. it just didn't work. it was missing a certain je ne sais quoi. some western manga works but they keep in mind the differences in western and japanese humor. i'm not a fan of scott pilgrim, but the comics are able to ape the style and even some of the humor of manga and not be too terrible.

>>3333381

Sounds like it was just some poor research on their part. As far as the manga/comics thing you guys are talking about I only care about the art and its influence. This is /ic/ after all.

>>3326656
fuck

>>3319490
Is there somewhere you post your work?

>>3319507
How do I get "it"

>>3325458
I just checked out the page and I have no idea what you're talking about

>>3334272
He's a faggot. Ignore him.

>>3334272
The expressions are quite tumblr, but he's way ahead of anyone here in having his comic look like a manga.

>>3334272
It does look like the character designs are from homestuck.

>>3324730
Do you honestly think anyone over the age of 15 would want to read this?

>>3334549
maybe you're just too stupid for it

>>3335113
I just checked it out. I don't think it would generally appeal to anyone over 15. But maybe your target audience is 15 and below?

>>3324730
>>3335113
They are fucking with you

If it's not constructive you can dissmiss it as shitposting, which is likely what it is.

It looks alright, the major critizism is that it reads weird, from left to right while is supposed to be a manga.

>>3335137
>the major critizism is that it reads weird, from left to right while is supposed to be a manga.

>>3335125 Here. It say "comic" in his link. Why should he set it up as if it was for the Japanese market?

>>3334549
i could jerk to this if i wanted

>>3318725
I have the ideas, but I'm ass at drawing.
Guess I have to pull a ONE, eh?

>>3335161
draw well u lazy fgt

also learn to do prose, I remember falling in love with comics because unlike animos and catoons or all of that, comics in my country used to have book writters to translate them and they turned out beautiful, better than in english even

>>3335331
I'm too impatient to wait till I can make good looking characters. I need to make it now before
someone takes my idea somehow.

>>3318725
Sorry this isn't manga, but I want to face the anxiety I have at showing it to /ic/.
This is my comic
http://endgamewastaken.the-comic.org

I've only gotten around 80 pages or so done (it operates on a buffer, so if I miss the deadline I still have pages uploading) but if you are interested and read it, please consider taking the time to leave some feedback.

A few things to preface.
-At the start, it's incredibly rough. I mean VERY rough, since I started this around a year of seriously studying art, so it takes a while for it to get presentable. Chapter 2 is where the art style more resembles the current one.
-the website is dogshit in aesthetic, I haven't taken the time to make it presentable, so it's the bog standard comicfury theme.
-I'm not skilled, at all, so in order to make my weekly deadline, there are a LOT of corners cut, things like the leaves on a tree being defined just by the silhouette, with no internal lines, characters getting incredibly janky when far away from the camera, simplistic linework, flat 3 tone monochromatic color scheme.
-When I say "flat" I mean "flat." There's things in this art style I'm pursuing, that are deliberately visibly "2D" because they only work in 2D. Sally's hair is a prime example of this.
-The pace drags in the third chapter, and even then it's taken me 10 pages to get them out of the warehouse/gym/dungeon, in the chapter. Some of those ten pages haven't been released yet.

I know it's best to just leave it on its own, but I really think I need to say all of that before showing it to /ic/.
Thanks for reading all of this.

What's the recommended page resolution for drawing a webcomic?