/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>coincidentally her dad's a painter

>>3319798

I can't make it to the end. Brainwashing is a horrible thing. She's been home schooled. I'm willing to bet my left nut her parents are actually forcing her to do this shit or guiding her every stroke. She's pretty good for her age but it's nothing amazing. Even the most realistic pieces she's made are extremely tacky at best. I fucking hate sensationalist bullshit like this. Makes me want to puke...

It's totally comparable to shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Cb1qwCUvI

You can basically bring a child up to be a machine that does one thing really well. I bet a lot of the old masters were brought up like this.

The fact that she's attributing her skill to an imaginary voice in her head is really disturbing. There should be laws against crap like this. I wonder if people would look at her the same if her parents told her that leprechauns were talking to her telepathically...

>>3319798
So she is an incredibly skilled painter, but there's something lacking in her work. I would say it's an interpretive element. There's nothing particularly striking to me about her interpretation of her subject matter. She tries to hide her brush strokes, her color choices are pretty uninspired. This is a girl who spent all her time practicing and little of it thinking about what she was doing. I wonder if she studies, and if she does, I wonder what her studies look like. She's trying so hard to be impressive, but her work lacks beauty and life.

Not trying to shit on her because she's so good or anything. Just don't feel compelled to look at her work much longer than a minute or two.

>>3319798
>DUDE GOD AND SHITS LMAO
I can hear my brain cells dieing while listening to these people.

>>3319832
>redibly skilled painter, but there's so
Is she? alo you need to get divorced really to be an artist or have slept alongside tragedy a few times. Art requires it. We had a child prodigy in the UK and they ruined him, he might get good again but he will need to burn a lot of paintings first, which is also usual.

>>3319842
>art requires it
imma need you to flush this statement out more

>>3319824
We were just talking about this kid on /mu/. Its pretty obvious he isn't even musically inclined if you see some videos he's in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tROtUTF4oHQ

>>3319883

I dunno. Why do you think he's not inclined? I think you're reading into it a little too much. I'm not disagreeing though but I don't think we can determine any of that by just watching these videos...

I can't decide if I'm jealous of kids like this or not. I was put into music school relatively young as well and people thought I was super talented and stuff but none of that was interesting to me. I sometimes regret it when I see all my friends from childhood playing in some of the most popular bands in my country and I'm just sitting here drawing orcs in my sweatpants at night and talking to people who draw Disney characters with penises.

I mean she is good for her age, but by god she needs so much more training.

>>3319902
Because a real musically inclined person isn't going to hear something novel with alien tonality and compare it to super mario because of the low resolution sound. I'm not saying they will like it but they'll probably compare the actual tonality. I'm sure his dad has exposed him to everything from Sun Ra to Schoenberg, so he could have made a more apt comparison. Secondly when his dad asks him if its cool, he just kind of nods. He's neither excited by the music nor repulsed on it, he's just lukewarm. A truly musical person is going to have a strong reaction to new music one way or another.

>>3319824
From what I have read is that the old masters trained kids at around age 14. I am no 100% sure, but I think it was DaVinci who said that anything below is too young to effectively teach them or maybe it was some Flemish master who said it. Anyways, it makes sense to me. I got some good musical training from age 6 and could play some of the harder pieces at a very young age really well. Then again, I think I was way too young to recieve proper training in painting.

>>3319798
where's that crab guy to tell you you're all crabbing it up again

>>3319910

Maybe the reason it's not making a strong reaction because he's all ready heard all kinds of shit. Even if he remembers his theory it doesn't mean he's going to remember all the artists he's ever heard. But I also think it's weird that he would compare it to early synth music. The pitches on that stuff were almost always accurate (especially on the Super Nintendo) or if they weren't I can't hear the differences. I don't think microtonal music is anything exceptional anyways, especially to a kid who's heard a lot of different stuff.

I'd compare it to hearing Metallica for the first time and you think "This is the most brutal shit in the universe". Then you go on to listen to Slayer->Cannibal Corpse->Nile->Meshuggah etc. and all of a sudden you don't get a real reaction from music being "brutal". Maybe you go on to listen to nice jazz and you slowly drift into some relatively complicated fuckery like Sungazer or animals as leaders.

Anyways I drifted away into some real bullshit again. This stuff is really interesting to me. Ehh.

yall just mad a 13 year old is better than youll ever be

>>3319929
ffs no, i'm mad that sergey kolesov is better than I'll ever be. I'm mad that Cory Loftis is better than I'll ever be. I'm mad that Jaime Jones is better than I'll ever be.
I think what we're probably mad about is that this girl gained fame by LOOKING like she was good at art, without really being that good.
This is the age meme, nothing more. In her career, she'll likely become quite famous but not create much that's really worth looking at to other artists. Remember, the normies and non-artist types play a huge role in making you famous.

>>3319933

Amen brother. You can get millions of views and attention if you paint generic, realistic portraits with ketchup or if you make mediocre sculptures out of bubblegum. Maybe you'll even get to be in the Ellen show or something stupid like that. I'm still not going to be jealous of you. The world will forget about you in six months. Gimmicks don't stand the test of time.

>>3319870
not him but this notion
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiv9ay1TLPM

basically the only people who have anything worthwhile to say with art are clint eastwood protagonists
like charles bukowski and taylor swift whose lives are filled with adventures involving suffering and its overcoming.

youngun-tier artists are doomed to mediocrity. Everything they make is labled as "mere illustration."
Their works are not unlike photo-composites devoid of meaning. Pic related.
It's part of why modern art is shit because you can do anything you want if you lead an interesting life.

>>3319937
forgot pic

>>3319883
>>3319824
Just skimmed over a lot of videos and it weirds me out. That guy seems to have good knowledge over music theory, but he has poor control over the fretboard and his right hand picking looks very inexperienced and uneconomical. His bendings are out of tune and he isn't even dampening his open strings. There are worse players out there and I am not saying he is bad, but the huge gap over his knowledge and actual ability to play the guitar weirds me out. Same with the kid, he seems to be some kind of musical genius (if there is no foul play involved), but he is trying to play pieces that are too hard for him and he seems to develop bad playing and timing habits very early.

2 theories:
>it's a scam for views (That channel made 30-50k in ad revenue alone, ignoring the shilling potential.)

>The kid is actually a musical genius with a great ear, but has his father as his teacher who is not really qualified to teach anything but bad habits. His father seems to be a guy who obsesses over theory without putting in the time for proper practice and fails to instill good practice habits for his talented kid as a result.

Oh well who the fuck cares, maybe it's just my unconscious dislike for jazz musicians, because over half of them are total hacks.

>>3319928
Okay well it seems the really unmusical one here is you, with that slew of band names.

>>3319937
This clip is how dumb people view intellectuals. I visited the Sistine chapel and it was filled with tourists and you could hardly see anything considering it's so high up. I saw the mona lisa and again filled with tourists and you could hardly see anything.

>>3319939
Musical geniuses can be uninterested in music. A lot of people with perfect pitch aren't even musicians.

>>3319945

You'd have to elaborate more if you wanted anyone to take you seriously. I never said that I was a professional musician. I actually said the opposite but you wouldn't know that from me listing a couple of bands as examples.

Not knowing a bunch of bands you like ≠ being "unmusical"

>>3319949
My point is that the kid seems very interested in music, but his teacher (probably his dad) is bad and probably more focused on making him look impressive than actually teaching him songs that are adquate for his skill level and teaching him how to get his timings, posture and technique right. Not surprised though, because his dad doesn't seem to give a fuck about fundies, which I find weird because of his obsession with theory. It's just so weird man.

>>3319939
I think he's more of a pianist than a guitarist

>>3319819
>Even the most realistic pieces she's made are extremely tacky at best
The fucking state of this board...

>>3319956
>the kid seems very interested in music

In what video?

>>3319965

Oh yeah, I take it back! What an amazing and unique vision! It's fucking Jesus bathing in heavenly light. Really?

Oh and those fucking space paintings that look like the shit people sell at tourist attractions. Amazing stuff!

>>3319965
>disagrees with opinion
>slams entire board

what exactly are you disagreeing with here? If you like the pieces, defend them.
All art is pretty subjective. I don't like her work, I would agree that it's tacky and doesn't resonate. Pic related is something I actually like. You took the time to comment, so I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts on the girl's work itself.

>>3319965
I share your frustration, because it's so unheard of that a small kid has the patience and skill to paint. Even if most of it is just copying a photo 1:1, it's still hard to do, /ic/ under-appreciates and scoffs at observational skills - pretending it's unnecessary for work from imagination.
Then again, I think they have a point. She is super talented and skilled, but there is something lacking when you consider her work ethic and intelligence. It's got to a point where she is parodying her own work and is trapped inside the prodigy identity. Why not send this kid off to the Repin institute? Imagine what she could have accomplished there. It's that kind of narcissistic, narrow worldview that prevented the parents from sending her off to the Repin Institute or any atelier (I am just assuming here) and maybe even fear that she will encounter artists way past her skill level. It's just stupid to not send her to the best school available when it was crystal clear that she will be a painter and already made more than enough money to afford it.

>>3319798
Her landscape stuff is the only interesting stuff, her portraits are photo referenced to hell. All her work doesn't really have meaning either, this is really vapid for someone marketing themselves as a religious artist.

>>3319937
>hy modern art is shit because you can do anything you want if you lead an interesting
Modern art is shit because money and nepotism doesn't care about art , life, meaning, beauty. Any old bullshit will do. Luckily it will all be forgotten and the artists that fought their way on their own will be remembered.

>>3319958
His room is filled with guitars and guitar amplifiers and he seems to be teaching with a guitar, doubt it.

>>3319966
In his early videos where the kid plays the piano. The playing itself is full of bad habits and it screams lack of proper guidance, but it takes a lot of interest for a kid that young to get to that skill level regardless. I taught small kids and it is hard to get them to a decent level when they are not super interested in the instrument and the music. That kid is definitely a very teachable kid, probably even a genius who was never properly trained. The constant music theory babble without proper playing of his father probably turned him off for good. Sad to watch.

>>3319965
>>3319972

Oh and don't get me wrong. I did say that she was "pretty good for her age" but that doesn't make her a prodigy. She's not a savant or anything.

Sensationalizing mediocrity is what grinds my gears here and I think it's really hurting her in the long run. Picasso did some really nice work as a young lad but I don't think his technical skill was magical in nature either. Just a lot of hard work.

>>3319988
i really want what you're saying to be true. I'm not sure that it is true, though. Otherwise people like duchamp and warhol wouldn't have garnered the remembrance and acclaim that they have. Unless of course you think that in a century or two, they too will be forgotten. I don't really think that's true, because when we look at history, we will always remember periods of change. Still, I like to fantasize that the truly great artists of this era are still undiscovered by the masses and will be the ones who are remembered in the far future.


Then again, so much great art will simply be forgotten, and nothing can be done about it. legacies will die, and history will be incomplete. I don't know where I'm going with this, it's just reality.

>>3319798
>she's religious

Welp nothing to be jealous of here folks we're all superior for being atheists r-right?

>>3319929
this to the n'th degree

So many people here trying to justify how she's not actually that good, that she's just a trained monkey with no real vision

You guys are all complete idiots. She's very talented, more so than any of you objectively. And you know what? She's FUCKING 13 she's got her entire damn life to figure out her own distinctive style and voice. How many of you even have a style yet? I can speak for myself that it was only in the last 6 years I think I started to grasp what I was doing with my art and I'm 28

The amount of jealous animosity here is staggering

>>3320005
dude she's like 26 now, videos old. go look at her website, she's already had 13 years to show some progression and i really wouldn't say most of what she's doing is all that inspiring. it's not jealousy, READ MY LIPS: I DONT WANT TO MAKE WORK THAT LOOKS LIKE HERS.

>>3320005
She is actually 23 by now. I think it's the whole prodigy meme that is off putting to people. Listen to accomplished painters, they are usually humble people and they speak in very practical terms when they talk about their art. When Akiane talks, it's all about her and her genius. And I kind of get it, she actually was a child prodigy and something very rare to see which I didn't even think was possible, but she way outgrew that and now it's a little bit cringy when she talks. She is lacking humility, something that she would have learned if she went to a place like the Repin Institute at a young age. I am not saying that it's easy to be humble when you are literally a genius (her IQ is probably at the very edge of the bell curve) and have a successful career, but it just reeks like failed parenting and arrested development. At least that's what I think is triggering people here and I can kind of relate with /ic/ here, it's a little unsettling to watch and listen to her.

>>3320005
art doesn't fucking care how many thousand hours you spent or how much you sacrificed or how old you are. don't you understand??? art cares about beauty, awe, the ethereal, the uncanny. Art wants to feel. Art wants to live. Art cannot just be captured by grinding away like a slave instead of living. Enough with the ad hominem, explain why the fuck her art is any good. Talk about colors. talk about composition. Talk about interpretation. talk about subject matter. talk about atmosphere. talk about design. talk about abstraction. talk about art fundamentals.
If i wanted to lock myself in a room for the rest of my life like a sperg and do nothing but paint photorealism, i wouldn't be arguing about bullshit on a toaster forum. I'm here because i care about art that inspires me. And this girl's work is fucking boring and uninspired. plain. and. simple.

>>3320008

I'll read your lips if you look me in the eye when you're saying it.

No but I agree. She's gotten way better with her subject matter and styles and some of her pieces are quite pleasing to the eye (pic related) but I wouldn't like to paint like her either. Most of her stuff still looks heavily referenced and unimaginative. I can respect her patience with detail and understanding of lighting but I don't think her art really stands out. Just my personal opinion.

You can be critical of things without it being jealousy. I couldn't make a movie like Suicide Squad but I can still say it was a shit movie. Akiane is not a shit painter though. She's a pro but she's not unique.

>>3320025
For some reason, the woman in the middle of the picture looks "copy and pasted" on the painting. Maybe she should have softened some of the edges of the women or blurred the background in the distance a little bit.

>>3320050

I agree but I kind of thought it made the image look a bit more interesting. It's pretty obvious that she was photographed in a studio. The lighting on her is absolutely inconsistent with the background. I liked this particular image because of the, not so subtle, blues and violets she put in her shadows. They don't really make a ton of sense in this lighting scenario but it gives the image a surrealistic vibe. I really love the rendering on her hair and the flowers too and her expression is quite natural.

Tl;dr: Hot bitch. Would totes have sex in her vagina lol XDDDD

>>3320050
yea i agree, it's a lovely image but the figure and the background are very disconnected. You could argue that the composition is bold, or something, but i think it's just plain and boring. just because it's a very still moment being depicted doesn't mean you have to have the must utterly simple blocking of the figure and background. the composition to me says "well, here it is i guess."

>some kid autistically grinds photo copying
>>oemegawd, she's a genius savant!
>work has no content, it's just a few areas of technical skill
>parents and media pump chicken feathers up her ass even the kid believes she's a genius
>seeing this whole act as anything other than tragic parental abuse and media manipulation

>She's very talented
yes. we know. Jammal that threw 50,000 basketballs into a ring is very talented, too. it still doesn't make his game into art.

>>3320025
holy shit i did't realize how manly those arms are wtf

>>3319798
Yeah i bet if I had two parents and a shit ton of money for my own studio I could probably do that too.

>Art is for the wealthy

her rich parents paid for the media coverage, basically like moma.

Ic is jelly xD

>>3319993

> That painting

Bjorklund is a God, I had a heart attack earlier this week when he deleted all his social media. Thank fuck he's back now

What makes me angry is artists who aren't filled with self loathing, doubt, and existential dread.
It means they haven't looked at enough good art and don't grasp what art is really all about.

Which is suffering.

>>3320197
this but unironically. crabs love to bring others down to make themselves feel better

>>3320222
orly?

Better than 95% of /ic/.

>>3320230
leave ic and it will be better than 94% of ic

>>3320230
doing nothing makes you better than nearly all of /ic/

ITT: jelly gelatins

>>3320245
holy fuck I thought she was a painting at first

>>3320245
>makes Jesus look like a shitskin
Fucking roasties

>>3320251
hOW do you know that's supposed to be jesus and not just a guy with a stubble beard?

>>3320253
Coz she's an american religious nutters who claims god speaks to her.

>>3320255
>jelly and atheist
Holy shit, just end yourself.

>>3320255
good point.

>>3320259
hearing voices in your head is a better reason to do it ;-)

>>3320251
>Jewsus is white
Lewl so jews are aryan white now. Oh wait, i forgot /ic/ is massive korean d/ic/k riders. Here is actual depiction of Jesus.

>>3320259
I'm not atheist, though.
But claiming God speaks to you is literally blasphemous.

>>3320222
check'd

>>3320197
>>3320223
>>3320230

I'm not jealous, i don't want to make work that looks like hers. I don't find it very inspiring. her work ethic is inspiring, but the work itself feels a bit empty. I personally gravitate towards more stylized or impressionistic work. Realism doesn't really 'move' me. Is this really that hard to imagine? Look, she's good at what she's doing, but it's not what I look for in artwork. I see work like hers (allbeit a bit less impressive in terms of execution) all the time and it makes me feel virtually nothing.

Could you please explain why her work is so beautiful? Show me an image that you are in love with and explain why.
This pic is one I really love (painted by Robin Paul Weiss. Here's why: it's a beautiful representation of real life subject matter, not a cold, meticulous imitation, but an IDEA of something beautiful. Wonderful color choices make everything you look at sing, the brush strokes have texture and are not hidden, their direction creates a flow that draws you around the image. It has life and vibrancy to it.
Now, imagine if Akiane Kramarik had tried to tackle this same image. Every single leaf would probably be painted, an exorbitant use of detail and the resulting image would be so overproduced that nothing about it would feel spontaneous or special. Robin's painting captured a bit of life and beauty in a moment. Akiane's work is languished to a tiresome degree.
I could still be convinced. Show me something she's created that really moved you.

>>3320593

>>3320599
this is so obviously fucking computer generated I don't even know what to say.

>>3319991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PUrAaMli2E

in this video the kid comes in for 5 minutes to plug his gaming channel where he predictably plays minecraft and Roblox. He's not interested in music in the slightest.

>>3320695

>>3320696
Yeah no bloody wonder if your father babbles endlessly about theory, pesters you with absolutely pointless ear training tests and can't even play an instrument properly. He probably learned to fucking hate music with a burning passion.

>>3319939
he actually taught guitar theory at like berkley so...perhaps you are the fool!

>>3320712
You will never be me as long as you live. No matter how hard you try.

>>3320768
there is no singular perfection, no apex, no victorious individual.

I don't need to be you.

>>3320776
>>3320768
max level autism

>tfw no akiane gf

>>3319992
Picasso's dad did all that. Little Pablito just scratched out his name and put his own.

>>3321094
Sadly, this.

>>3321094
why are talented artists always plagued with this shit? i know of an artist that used to get disqualified from art competitions when he was a kid because he was so good and they thought his parents had done it. it wasn't until he was an older teen that he started to actually win them.

>>3321154
Not him, but in the case of Picasso it's really fucking fishy. It's not because it's impossible for a kid to paint like that, but there is a lot of circumstancial evidence pointing towards it. I don't want to get deep into it, that would derail the thread and I can remember having that thread a bunch of times on /ic/. Definitely a polarizing topic, but both sides have merit.

>>3319972
>80's cop movie protagonist jesus
fucking americans

>>3321094
>>3321154
I've also heard this about Stephen King

>>3319997

Deepens on what religion, God commands to not crave images of anything in earth, heaven or hell, notice he does not mentions if you adore them or not or if you believe spirits inhabit them, just to NOT draw sculpt or paint them.

The kid is good though, probably a case of Demonic possession.

>she is white
>religious

Pff, fest your eyes in this black beauty, GENIOUS kid :)

>>3319798
if i had 20 years of experience i would be much better
im on year 5 as we speak and basically on her level when it comes to copying from reference

>>3320768
Thank god

>>3321374
>being this autistic

there are tons of newspaper stories as dumb as this, go back to pol

>>3321438
>there are tons of newspaper stories as dumb as this

That's the point

>>3321374
this just makes the author seem retarded

this thread sucks

>>3321415
and yet the girl you want, wants nothing to do with you and everything to do with me.

God that must eat you up inside.

>>3320207
I haven't looked at IG in ages--did he make any mention of why he was deleting his social media and why he returned? Bjorklund seems like one of those artists who just seem only death or losing all limbs would stop them from creating.

>>3319798
Dude, she's like 20 something now. But just like any child prodigy, she was probably trained a shit ton by her parents. A little too much sheltering. No need to get triggered over it though.

Her work got progressively worse as she grew up. She lost the spark or never had the chance to let it mature. Her new work look like she's still trying to replicate her success as a child.

>>3322185
>tfw my parents never trained me in anything
Fuck. I swear to god, once I get a decent job I'm gonna adopt the youngest baby I can find and raise them on a diet of nothing but art. I'll make sure they surpass KJG by the age of 20.

>>3321318
Stephen Kings early work was unoriginal, fanfiction-esc trash. Literally just took the stories of two horror movies he liked and mashed them together with no rhyme or reason, repeatedly. Eventually he got one of them published in a magazine for like $100, at the age of twelve.

>>3319819
Their parents even said they aren't religious.