/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3315573

First time I've drawn anything in 3 years. Gave up after 4.5 hours. Clipped all my layers to one crappy silhouette blob.

Things I learned:
1. Start with a base sketch.
2. Actually look up how to digitally paint before you start, you goddamn walnut.

>>3315588
those kind of phots can help you study anatomy and face shapes so keep trying those anon!
I'd say your biggest flaw were both the tones and values that you used because not even the background matches.
So if you're going to keep trying I'd say to practice anatomy first and the practice some two value studies, then three or four values THEN color, good luck!

Getting back into drawing on a tablet and in general. Started this last night. Perspective is a little wonky but it's more of a practice rather than an actual piece. I just wish I could draw this well without using a reference/pose.

>>3315592
Thank you! It's very kind of you to take the time to critique me. For this study, I was unfocused and didn't have a purpose in mind other than copying what I saw, but I don't think it amounted to anything good. I will take your advice and use it ASAP! I mean it!

>>3315588
I don't mean to sound harsh but I think you're wasting your time attempting something that's too advanced.

There's a process to painting that breaks it down into simple to follow steps. Unless you know them, you're doing mostly guesswork.

You need to start with the basics. Do form studies with simple shapes like cubes, spheres. etc. Learn how light and shadow works on 3d objects. Learn values.

A portrait is basically a more complicated shape with value. If you understand how light works, you can simplify it and make it easily like the picture. It will cut you considerable amount of time and will make your work look good and clean.

If you learn to do all that, moving on to digital painting won't be hard at all. It'll just be another medium but you'll already understand the process.

accidentally posted >>3315656
in the old thread whoops

>>3315637
It’s not at all harsh. You are 100% correct. Thank you for going in length for me. I became overwhelmed very quickly but my brain was fried from staring at the screen for too long to recognize it. I became discouraged. After thinking about the critique from >>3315592, I realize I bit off way more than I could chew. Drawing simple shapes honestly sounds tedious — it feels like it’s obvious and I don’t know what I’m supposed to look for in the study. That being said, I do recognize I need to suck it up since it’s just another exercise of discipline that has proven to be a successful foundation for many great artists.

Study plan:
1. Shapes & perspective & values
2. Still life & perspective & values
3. Anatomy
4. Figures & gestures (...& perspective)
5. Two-value
6. Three-value
7. Four-value
8. Color

Thank you for taking the time to teach me!

I did some bridgeman studies for about an hour and then tried to make a figure torso from imagination, I'm aware the breasts are balloons.

>>3315674
>Drawing simple shapes honestly sounds tedious — it feels like it’s obvious and I don’t know what I’m supposed to look for in the study.

Yah it could be. But it's like doing basic addition before trig, you know? That's your foundation and it will make painting much easier because you won't have to guess. You'll know every step to proceed. Also completing simple but good value studies will look amazing and will boost your confidence. You don't have to do a lot. Just understand how it works.

Light - Value - Form. If you know that formula, you can paint anything.

That's a good study plan but too complicated. You really only start with 3 values anyway. Midtone, highlight, shadow. Light hits an object and you get those 3 and all the inbetween.

Everything else like anatomy, perspective, will be mini-lessons in between. Always remember to simplify. do gesture -> construction -> anatomy. Do you watch Proko?

https://youtu.be/0q-LZVFZuGE
You can try lesson. It's a little too much but you can skip through it and get the gist.

Tried this exercise, where do I go from now? Keys to drawing?

trying to get down gesture drawings
Why does the arm look so fucky? did i do the forearm too short/long? I tried adjusting it and it never looked right.

>>3315718
that's not a gesture drawing.

>>3315719
huh, i only used ideas outlined in the gesture portion of "figure drawing - design and invention."
I guess I build them out a little too much?

>>3315718
>>3315723

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture_drawing
>https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gesture+drawing&qpvt=gesture+drawing&FORM=IARRSM

It looks more like you were trying to attempt to do a study instead of a gesture. Gestures help you loosen up and help you to get the feel and flow and weight of your figure in simple strokes.

>>3315733
only issue with calling it a study is there was no reference

>>3315723
You picked just about the only 2 images in that chapter that are not like the rest of the images, and they're showing wrapping contours on the forms more than depictions of gesture. Reread the chapter and look at how all the other drawings look.

>>3315637
Which books would cover this?

>>3315767
Don't know of any specific books, but Proko covers this pretty well in a few videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6LL4qP5z5U

Went in focusing on proportions and composition. Still managed to shrink his extremities to dwarf mode and not even get the entire thing on paper :/

>>3315696
>it's like doing basic addition before trig
That's a fantastic metaphor for this. It really does feel like I'm being told to fill out page after page of kindergarten math problems when I'm doing calculus.

I'll do as you say and simplify my plan. I tend to make overly detailed "baby step" plans when coming back from a failure. It's overwhelming to be bad at so many things and trying to improve it all at the same time. I have to remind myself that the process of improving my art is not linear. There's so much to study, so it's best to get a solid foundation to prop me up.

Thank you for the video! It was genuinely helpful, and it really drove home how badly I need to study this. I like his approach to things; the pace is slow but steady and he puts his lessons in very simple and clear language. I didn't even think about why corners are highlighted! It makes so much sense now.

I'll be making use of Loomis, Sycra's videos, and the sticky. Again, thank you so much.

>>3315767
The Bargue Method

>>3315573
>reupload from last thread

does anyone know any good procreate youtubers? all I can find is a guy that draws creatures and a cartoonist(grill on the left is studie of his work), not much about actual digital painting.

also tried to draw a goofy prophet Velen from WoW

super beginner here, did a quick doodle of a pose i saw online

thoughts? what can I improve on? well everything, really, more moreso, what should I focus more on?

>>3315804
draw primitives, learn how light falls on them, perspective. learn to draw ellipses, confident lines, no chicken scratch. get actual art supplies like paper without lines on it. read a book like keys to drawing or something equivalent but not fun with a pencil.

>>3315823
>but not fun with a pencil.
or drawing on the right side of the brain*

So, I was reading an article the other day (http://drawingacademy.com/can-you-learn-to-draw-by-copying)) and the following line really disturbed me:

"Once a two-dimensional cognitive process of drawing is established, it is very hard to re-educate oneself to draw from three-dimensional reality. Some artists lose the ability permanently."

This might sound like a stupid question, but is it true? I only just started drawing a few months ago and I've used several photo references to help me learn and understand various topics. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but now I'm petrified that I'm going to ruin myself forever if I don't stop now - or worse, that it's already too late.

If someone who knows more about this could help me out I'd really appreciate it.

>>3315842
It's psychobabble to make you buy his drawing course. Idiots like you are gullible enough to fall for it.

>>3315842
No, I can do both (I'm about 9 years in), but I find if I do one for a while to the exclusion of the other, it feels a little weird switching over.

Perhaps if you only did 2D during the fundamental stages, then that would be a problem?

"three-dimensional reality" is more or less perceived as 2D anyway. There is for sure a difference, but not so much that it'd ruin you.

>>3315848

I thought so, but you don't have to be an asshole about it.

>>3315865
You sounded like a 12 year old girl. Art is a lot about doing your own research and reflecting on what you read, see, and do. Life is like that, you need to question what you're doing and why. It's an important lesson to learn early in your art career.

>>3315874

I asked a question. You called me an idiot. We're done.

>>3315897
not enough that you felt the need to reply two posts ago lol

Hi, i have some troubles constructing faces, especially when they are tilted.

I was going through Bargue course when his grid surprised me.

Is it possible to use the same method to construct faces from imagination ? If so i need help on where to put the y axis since it’s not the middle of the face like loomis.

I've been trying to practice posing but every time I start to make something I get super rage-y and give up. All my sketches end up looking awkward and stiff. I have a difficult time breaking the body down into pieces and shapes to help with posing. I'm going to try again tommorow, but I hate doing quick figure drawing from photos because they all turn out stiff and crappy. Any advice?

>>3315910
The vertical line is a plumb line or "golden line" and not actually meant for construction. You are working on drafting and using your eye/measurements. This is not a method of construction but accurate drawing and using reference to aid in placing the features.

>>3315912
Shame. I saw art of some italian artist and thought he used the same grid.

I guess he only does studies and his faces are not from imagination.

>>3315911
Get drawn to life vol1+2, read and practice the ideas outlined within. Don't just mindlessly copy the drawings, try to understand and try it out on drawing from photos or life.>>3315911

>>3315573
When would be a good time to try going to classes for drawing? Can I just go in blind or are there tutorials I should start off with

well d/ic/ks, I learnt my lesson the hard way. Bought a Huion GT-220 V2 with my tax return on Thursday. Received it on Saturday. Planning to return it next Monday after their entire staff goes back to work from their Chinese New Year vacation. Would do it sooner but they're a Monday through Friday company so even by the time they're back, they still get a free weekend to do nothing with.

Stylus randomly disconnects even though my PC says everything is connected. From Saturday around 2pm, until right this very second, it's become unresponsive a total of 7 times. Sometimes for a minute or two, but last night it was a whole 30 minutes. Right now it's up to 20 minutes. And it's not a traditional touch screen, like a smart phone or iPad or whatever. The stylus is the only thing that can write on it. Piece of fucking shit. When it decides to fuck up it's nothing more than a glorified second monitor that reeks of Chinese failure. I shouldn't have been in such a hurry. If I had just saved up the extra $150 I could have gotten a Cintiq. I know it has driver issues but I'd rather have to reinstall my drivers constantly than to have a glorified paperweight at random times for random amounts of time. Found some drivers on their tumblr that claims to fix the issue but only on the 220, not the 220 V2. That page hasn't been updated in like 4 years either.

Moral of the story is: Do not get the Huion tablets. They are cheaper than Wacom, sure, but you really do get what you fucking pay for.

>>3315955
I've got a Huion New 1060 and couldn't be happier.

>>3315957
I'm happy for you. I like mine, when it works. The problem is that it doesn't want to fucking work. Unless they point me to some drivers or something to resolve the issue then I'm never going back after I get my refund.

I've been testing my stylus minute-to-minute since it started. It's just now working again. 46 minutes.

Anyone have a link for bridgman's head book

>>3315946
Neat. I know if I find a pdf I’ll just thrown it in the folder with the rest and never look at them again so I’m gonna check online for a physical copy. Anyone know a good place to find cheap or used art books?

>>3315955
Just get a used Intuos 3 or 4. If you're in the beginner thread you're most likely not good enough to need a "screen tablet" anyway.

>>3315994
Shit I accidentally posted the fuck huge version

>>3315997
Better size?

If you use Krita download this brush set. It's amazing! I just started exploring other Krita brush sets that's available other than deevad's brush set.

https://radian1.deviantart.com/art/Krita-brushpack-updated-669694734

Also this pastel brush set is great too.

https://krita-free-art-app.deviantart.com/art/Pastel-530782158

Krita becomes much nicer to use when a decent brush set is installed on there instead of the default one.

>>3316004
Playing with some of the brushes from the first set. You should download the first set at least for the hard round opacity brush. It's really similar to the watercolor brush in japanese painting programs like Sai/CSP but there's no blurring/auto blending.

The oil brushes are a better version of the default mixer/wet brushes that come with Krita. The double brushes seem to imitate the default texture brushes that come with photoshop.

I should probably spend less time playing with brushes though and more time drawing now.

good composition? i think it is ok.

how to maek things look more 3d senpia? i don't have sufficient autisms to grasp teh concept?

I can draw and rotate the Loomis head fairly proficiently, but where the FUCK do I go from here? Should I continue with Fun and work on the Mannequin? Or should I start working on putting features on the head?

>>3315978
You would be wasting money since you're gonna make it anyway.

>>3316027

why are you posting in the beginner thread

I doodle shit like this all the time, I just feel like I don't have the patience to sit the fuck down and learn how to correct my mistakes and git gud.
I enjoy doodling, and I want to get better, but I don't want to turn it into a chore.

What methods do you guys use to make your learning more enjoyable?
Music? Interesting studies?

>>3316027
I'd move the mermaid a bit to the right, so the sinking ship doesn't meddle too much with her silhouette.

How do I learn to take my time while drawing? I always tend to rush when focused and this yields cloudy mess of lines. Is it a bad habit?

>>3316180
since it's studying it makes sense that it isn't fun but i split my time between doing studies that i dont enjoy/drawing something i enjoy poorly

doing planes in the drawabox guide. any tips?

>>3316195
I think it comes with the time. I'm also just /beg/tier but when started do draw I could barley spend 30 min. on one picture, but now I can spend hours without problems on one picture. Even tough they still look like shit

working on trying to learn oil painting. im ok with pen but an oil is a totally different demon im teying to learn to tackle. thoughts?? i still need to apply a final layer to this

>>3316209
sorry for the aspect ratio im on a phone

Working on drawing couples in poses and multiple characters, how'd I do?

Acrylic on canvas, it's fun to paint plants.

how do i learn foreshortening?

>>3315573
TG

>>3316299
Green board so lewd should be fine?

>>3316301

>>3316304

>>3316305
God I wish I could into digital

>>3316211
Not that bad, there are some anatomy and proportion issues but its not big deal with that style.

>>3316306
>>3316305
>>3316304
>>3316301
>>3316299
Vaginas are not coin slots located on the front of the abdomen. Go study female anatomy.

Any advice?

>>3315573
i am reading loomis fun with a pencil, i am very confused. i am on page 20 and i cannot think of anything as shapes. how do i when every step uses completely different shapes? i would have an easier time drawing from the bottom at this point, it doesn't look like loomis knows what he wants and doesnt even try to explain what he is thinking. it takes me half an hour to make a single blook because im spending more time trying to find what he has changed as opposed to "building on step by step". please, does anyone here have any advice for me? is this just a part of the grind?

>>3316334
don't show pictures sideways

>>3316335
actually for these exercises, i have been just making a single face for every one. this is causing problems when he changes everything on every single step because i have to erase. am i supposed to be drawing each step in their own space?

>>3316339
noted. if youre struggling to see it i recommend you turn ur montiro on its side. it really helped me :^)

is this beginner tier?

>>3316346
i really dislike the candypoison meme

>>3316084
>gay halo
You need harder edges to show changes in planes. Stop blending so much.

>>3316200
learn to draw straight, steady lines by rotating the paper.

>>3316346
yep, or rather, 3rd assignment at art school tier

>>3316352
>candypoison
?

>>3316178
its not good. yet :^)

>>3316182
i did that at first. it looked off center because i wanted her to be the focal point, i know your focal point doesnt always have to be in the middle tho. i will make the ship smaller, thank you!

Trying to do value studies.

>>3316362
but i'm using a tablet.

>>3316428
it don't make you no difference

>>3316310
Thank you. How do I improve my style?

>>3316428
Stabilizer motherfucker, do you use it?

>>3316428
rotate the fucking canvas. you're going to be drawing the same straight lines that your arm can do and turn the page accordingly.

>>3316360
in addition to this turn your image grayscale and you'll see how lacking your values are in contrast.

>>3316476
i..i don't know how to do that!

>>3316479
look it up. it's usually R or something

>>3316169
>>3316169
Just bringing up this question again. I know, slow board and all.

I used design doll. I feel dirty...

>>3316515
man you don't even know the meaning of dirty. come back when you've tried daz studio. then you'll really know what the shadow realm feels like.

It looks uncanny
help

It looks uncanny.
What did I fuck up?

>>3315637
Is there anything on colour like that?

>>3316538
match colors, paint shapes. read some alla prima

I feel it as if the chin is too small, the nose could be a little bigger. The big thing for me is the jaw, chin for sure. But besides that you have a good direction man.

>>3316525

>>3316346
Just looks like chaos.

>>3316525
reference? ill assume its a mixture of lack of shading, top half of head too big, and disproportioned features (tiny nose, huge eyes). depends really is this supposed to be a portrait or an anime

>>3316566

>>3316569
have you read a book like drawing on the right side of the brain or keys to drawing? i think that would help you, im sure looking at it now you could see the errors (head isn't slanted which throws the whole thing off, eyes are huge though proportional to the bangs, nose and mouth are tiny, etc). you made up lines for example on the hair where it isn't actually curving very much

>>3316588
Will check them out, but which is better in your opinion?

>>3316592
ive only read dotrsotb but hear more recommendations for keys of drawing

Are there any video resources for gesture drawing that aren't proko or vilppu? I have done over 100 gesture drawings from both of these examples and I still struggle with it. Not even worth showing because they are obviously shit.

>>3316547
>match color
Despite all the theory I know, even copying color from life is tough as fuck for me. I always fail to do so. There are so many colors, and they vary depending on the environment. How to see color correctly, how to simplify all the subtleties?

it'll take years to reach this power

>>3316607
>even copying color from life is tough as fuck for me. I always fail to do so
then practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH_I8g2TqiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E6P6yUXPmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeyYXMl934g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNB3XY67Q-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a0yoMZRGV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQYcG4Km1-k

something is off but i cant figure out what

>>3316656
his face seems to be on 2 different coordinate planes; like a portion of his head is faceted off

>>3316659
I feel like its the brow that makes it look faceted. i'll fix. tnx anon.

>>3316274

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>>3316656
The structure is off. The jaw angle on the left side doesn't match the right. Also where does the bottom lip start and end. You should build a skeleton underneath just to make sure it's consistent.

>>3316198

Do something from imagination using the knowledge gained from studying after every study session. Quick one or a long one doesn't matter. As long as you do it.

>>3315705

Do you understand what that lesson is about? If you do proceed to the next lesson in the book. If not take your time to really think about it.

This is probably a stupid question but you see how all the pencil grades are grainy, even the darkest ones?
Are there any black pencils that don't leave an obvious grain? I realise that you can get really smooth paper but thats either non-archival newsprint or really expensive drawing paper.
I just want a black pencil that I can use for quick gestures and figure drawing that will go down smooth and show no grain on a typical sketching pad or even copy paper.
marker is probably the closest thing but it feels a lot different than pencil so I'd prefer pencil.

so i do no less than 80 gestures a day....or so i believe they considered so. an anon yesterday mentioned i should draw the "action" flowing from the head;
i tried it; is this what u mean anon?
(say so if its too dark)

>>3316719
It comes down to the paper and technique, it isn't about the pencil. Also, this drawing looks really small, so even though it's fairly smooth paper, you still see the grain. If you're doing quick line drawings, only the paper will have an effect. Get smooth paper.

>>3316719
Oh, I missed the part about not wanting to use smooth paper.

Maybe just use ink? That would probably require even more expensive paper...

All I can say is work big, then.

>>3315595
Worked on this a bit. I feel like the wrist is technically right, but it looks off.

Today's effort. Janky quicksketches and something longer.

>>3316719
no, you can't get a smooth even finish with graphite and paper
try paint or ink.
Alternatively, desaturate and boost the contrast on your works digitally.
pic related is an example of the outcome, tho the base pic is of poor quality, so it's all jagged-edged

is this how clip studio paint is supposed to look

>>3316854
yes? you can customize it. in the settings for appearance, you can turn down something I think called "density" and it'll go more towards black.

hmm what do u guys think? trying to get into a more graphic style, so I did this magazine cover type thing

help i wanna die

>>3316525
Proportions and perspective. Both common beginner mistakes stemming from uncnscious symbol drawing. You are not paying close attention to drawing what is in front of you, you are drawing your brains' vague idea of the things you are drawing. Eyes, mouth nose etc. You have drawn her eyes far too big. a common novice error. Because the eyes are the focal point of a face and very expressive, we tend to unconsciously exaggerate them.

Look at how you have drawn her features. Her head is at 3/4 view but you've tried to force her features over to a straight on view. Again brain symbols and natural impulse given our tendency to speak to people face to face.

I was told that I need to be able to show form with just lines before I move onto value, but I find it more intuitive to just go straight to value.

>>3316873
well at least your values look kinda good.

>>3316870
As someone who knows Japanese is there some actual meaning to this apparent nonsense or is it just gibberish to look cool because most people can't read it?

>>3316873
Main problems are that the ear and cranium are too big.

critique me hard about this. i already know you guys will hate me for this work but just tell me already everything i need to do to improve this. ive been trying to read and practice loomis and apply what i learned in drawing 1. i don't wanna stagnate and stay at this level. what did i not do that i should've done?

>i know its shit, no need for meme replies

>>3316876
It's not a strict rule, but lines do give structure to your drawing. Notice how your faces are wonky and flat? A line drawing establishing the shape of the head will really help with that.

Your references are no good though for practicing form. Good for expressions I guess.

>>3316884
just fuck off.

>>3316884
You are clearly not practicing Loomis. Show your head studies, etc. So we know you are not full of shit.

>>3316874
Well fug, it seems I'm still struggling with symbol drawing.
Any tips?

>>3316878

Random words just slapped there.

>>3316884
It looks okay, anon. Obviously you don't have much going in fundamentals but we all gotta start somewhere.

Loomis is all well and good but I don't think he's a good teacher. His books have maybe one chapter for drawing heads that's actually useful, and then the rest is too complicated for beginners.

You'll be better served by books like Keys to Drawing. Then go do draw-a-box and then form studies. Then move on to basic figure drawing.

>>3316892
Practice parts in isolation. Take your time. Practice. Practice some more.

>>3316893
Says. "seems to be dying" "hungry" "ma" "black" "beverage"

My honest opinion is that you shouldn't do this if you don't know what you're doing it's kind of cringe.

practicing the loomis

it's hard

>>3316890
Here so you know I'm not lying. I'd rather be called a person shit at everything than a liar. I'll post more pics I took over the past couple minutes
>>3316894
Finally, someone who offers actual constructive criticism instead of dismissing everything with no solution. Thank you, I should've read keys to drawing. I just followed only loomis because that's the main thing I heard everyone say
>>3316888
>no criticism, didn't even call my drawing shit
>tells me to leave
Waste of trips. If you're not criticizing or contributing to the thread, why are you here? I may be shit at digital art but at least I'm contributing

>>3316916
Here's another

>>3316916
Well alright m8 thanks for confirming. it os just that are a lot of low level beginners here who know what they should be doing but don.'t do it. Then they post their work here and say "I am trying to study so and so" just so they can escape inevitable comments for them to do so. These people are basically just fishing for some semblance of a compliment and have no real drive to put the unglamorous work in required to improve.

Glad you are not one of those people.

Im terms of actual advice I would say dont do too much at once. At your level you should be learning basic perspective like literally drawing boxes, and gesture, not trying at completed compositions.

>>3316917
Here's another group of Loomis heads I did in late 2016. Looking through my books I realized I was really on and off in terms of my practice.

How do you anons organize your practice? I need to organize myself if I want to improve.

>>3316919
Recently I started trying to read through fun with a Pencil again. I think my problem is o didn't finish figure drawing for all it's worth because I was afraid. I'm gonna finish this so I can strengthen my faith in myself. It's funny, I was so afraid that trying these complex exercises I will end up making shit, yet Lo and behold me being lazy and afraid made me shit at digital

I feel this piece is just wrong all around. The pose is too stiff and I have no clue what to do with the arms. All critique is welcome.

Why is drawing hands so fucking hard, holy shit.

>>3316876
I came back after a shower and felt like I needed to correct a bit.

>>3316923
>>3316920
>>3316919
any other critique?

help

>>3316200
the one on the left looks good
im new as fuck though, i cant draw a straight line to save my life

when I see videos of other people drawing its like wisps of beautiful straight black ink
mine are like scraggled ringworms writhing around

my question is, ive been using a Huiion H420, it was like 30 bucks and a friend had one that was fun to use so Ive been using this
but man my hand cramps almost within 10 minutes, almost feels like I have no workspace for my hand at all

do I need something larger like a bamboo? its killing my hand but I dont know if thats natural with all digital pads or not
if so whats decent for the price? $200 sounds reasonable to me for a good drawing pad

pic is my snek doodles, parallel lines are pretty hard to get right it seems

>>3316383
i swear ive heard the term here before but i look it up and find nothing. it sounded representative, i think of it as vivid chaotic representation of drugs and 2deep4you. are you the artist of that game?

>>3317009
That size is tiny. You really shouldn't get a tablet below medium size. I have the 1060 and it's a great fit. I can draw with my shoulder just fine and it is probably the amount of area I'd use if I had a bigger tablet anyway. I paid ~$80 for it.

>>3316989
what is the point of your balls if you aren't following them? go back and really look at these balls, they are divided as if there were four equal parts and yours just lazily connect to one side or the other. the nose is under the interception (and angled respective to this line, your nose looks like it is going against the structure at a 60 degree angle). you really need to work on these circles

>>3317059
yikes

>>3317062

Just finished my first sketchbook, full of faces.

I stil have trouble with tilted faces but i feel kind of stuck since i have no idea on how to render in traditionnal.

Should i keep grinding faces or is it worth to get my hand on rendering ?

Made too many mistakes so I just signed it off.
That after work fatigue really fucked this one up.
Critiques very appreciated.

>>3317124
>pic related

>>3317124
thank fuck you signed it.

>>3317129
I just sign stuff so I can officially declare it "finished", it helps my brain move on to the next drawing or whatever I'm going to do.

>>3316027

>>3317121
Your connection of the head to the torso is weak af.

Critique on the skin tone? This is a skin tone study done with reference but without using eyedrop tool

>>3317163
post reference

I've started doing '''caricatures''' in the little sketchbook my sister got me last christmas
Can you recognize this man?
Also any critiques are welcome

>>3317180
Lel, Seinfeld?

>>3317154
Yeah you are totally right, i still haven't studied the neck muscles. So far i only focused on the head, never even tried to sketch a body.

But i'm torn apart between improving faces and learning something new like the body/neck or even start learning rendering.

>>3316655
Thanks for the resources! But how should I practice? For example. there's my 1-hour study. I failed much, but somehow got the right colors, still it's a mystery how there're so many colors on the original painting, why red looks like blue etc. Will I understand it if I just continue to study like this? Because even professional artists can't copy colors that easily so maybe there should be other way to practise besides copying and matching? The biggest problem is why do colors look so different when they're on the color wheel and the painting, and how to understand it?

>>3317180
take a look at this video and the rest of the lessons, they are helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4M5Jhkz1A

>>3316180
Today's doodle. I'm gonna do these everyday and see if I can get any better. Just little, post-it doodles. No pressure, no hard-studying.

>>3317196
I would start getting used to drawing full figures once I've gotten comfortable with drawing with the head.

was suggested to go to the beginner thread...

Kinda feels like he suddenly goes into "Now draw the rest of the owl" territory here.
Should I be able to draw like this before moving on?

>>3317327
this is as step by step as you can get without watching a live drawing tutorial. you should very well be able to copy these plates/add your own influences.

>>3317332
To be fair I felt the exact same thing and I gave up as a result, starting again and I’ll hit this section tomorrow

>>3317317
i actually really like this. quick outdoor sketches can be messy like that anyway.

>>3317341
you can even trace if you have to, until you can draw it on your own. the idea is the think in 3d.

>>3317350
thanks I will continue. drawing people could be helpfull

>>3317014
What game?
And probably not. My vidya art has always been flat shaded stuff.

I've been doing head and hands and I wanted to see how my basic construction was before moving to planes/features, I know it's lacking depth in some areas

This is just a quick sketch but probably as good as I can replicate from imagination

>>3315823
Not that anon (I'm reading Drawing on the right side of the brain), but why not Fun with a pencil? The book is on my to-read list.

Pic related is my last drawing (wip). Getting into values etc.

>>3317429
I'm not that guy, I think fun with a pencil is worth a look through, but it doesn't go into TOO great of detail on some things where other books probably do. Especially towards the end of the book.

Personally I fucking hate the whole loomis "comic" style though. I switched to head and hands because of it

>>3317429
not that guy either but im gonna say skip fun with a pencil and go straight to bargue + fig drawing books and other construction methods to find what works for you. im saying this based on your latest fig.

>>3317254
Focus on edges and local colors. Zoom out the canvas so it only takes up a few inches on your screen. Progressively zoom in to refine or in different studies but you typically don't want to zoom in more than 50% in a painting, maybe 67%. Try to do a bunch of "stamp" studies where you're working only at a small size. Matt Cohr explains it here but you'll learn a lot more from tackling the problems small as opposed to noodling around on a large canvas getting lost in details. You're being a bit too hard on yourself, no one is perfect. You're not expected to get the color dead on every single time, there's no art in that. It matters in being able to replicate the colors you see in your mind or eye. This is just a skill to help you get there faster. Every artist is going to get a color wrong, what matters is that you have a process of getting the ones you want instead of through trial and error.

"If it reads on a stamp, it'll read on a billboard"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkIigjremA

>>3317327
>Kinda feels like he suddenly goes into "Now draw the rest of the owl" territory here.
He does and it's intimidating. I know you're supposed to "have fun" with it and make your own but at the stage you're at in the book, there's a good chance you have no idea how to do that and your shitty result will just turn you off.

>>3317429
Read the book, don't get stuck in the trap of reading every single beginner book you can find. You'll be wasting your time learning the same things over and over, staying in your comfort zone instead of improving. You look like you're doing ok and on the right track. I find the aesthetic of a lot of Loomis' work in Fun with a Pencil to be offputting to people in the last 30 years, and a lot of books have better methods of teaching and instilling confidence in one's drawing ability. His other books are fine.

>>3317436
That's what worked for me. Vilppu, Bargue, and revisiting Keys to Drawing since I bounced off it at first.

>>3317254
Color relativity answers your questions but it's not a very easy to explain or understand concept. You'll get it on an initial level but it'll take a lot of practice before you can really see what goes where. Local colors affect the colors around them and our eyes perceive them according to those local colors. You'll start thinking less in terms of the specific color you want to paint and more in terms of warmer or cooler, lighter or darker value, saturated or less saturated: how to get to that color based on what you already have on the canvas. This is how the color will be interpreted by viewers and how you'll lead their eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJf4e5kAKWg#t=2m50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQllLy_X4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhcNbFMkTw

>>3315804
I think your biggest problem is focusing too much on contour lines and detailed shapes, w/out really capturing the silhouette of the figure.
There is a hierarchy to drawing the figure that starts with the torso and hips (these are the largest parts of the body) and works its way down to the arms, head, and legs, and finally to the hands and feet. Personally, I usually start a figure drawing by capturing the gesture of the torso and working my way from there (watch this proko video for help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0660Fuih7qo))
In your drawing the head is largest and the rest of the body feels very disproportionate (yes, foreshortening can affect this but the viewing angle in your drawing is not steep enough).
I would recommend reading Force: Dynamic Life Drawing to further your understanding of figure drawing and improve your line quality.

tfw you realize how much of a shitter you really are

Grommash and Velen from WoW. might add some armor on the orc later.

>>3317138
looks pretty dope anon. Are you the same anon who draw the black lady with the American flag last thread(just wondering)? Also how low is the SP supposed to be to the ground?

>>3315823
>>3315826
Alright, if not those books then which ones? Don't just say "don't read X", that doesn't help anyone. Say "read X instead of Y because of Z".

Why some posters shit on Loomis , but it gets recommended just as much?
I'm getting mixed messages with this

>>3317062
any more tips?I'm really wanna draw from imagination.

>>3317627
think of it like this: loomis is to /ic/ as "install gentoo" is to /g/

>>3317606
that is me, i don't know how you could tell. if by "ground" you mean the camera's "feet" i'd say it goes double the length from the midpoint of the photo to out from the bottom of the canvas. i have been going through erik olson's perspective seris and am on lesson 5 and i still don't think i applied it correctly...

Today's effort, quick sketches and something longer.

I just wanna draw cute girls being cute.

>>3317725
focus on faces anon.

>>3315573
Thoughts on doing Master Studies versus studying a photo?

>>3317736
if this can't show you how pointless digital is in trying to emulate traditional, nothing can.

>>3317732


Is the face no good? I know the hair is shit, my brain just kinda nopes out when I try to do more than basic blobs.

Other than that things seemed mostly lined up.

>>3315574
Is there a doc of recommended materials? Looking to get into oils.

Reposting from >>9792264

I don't want to associate with 4chan on my social media accounts because of its extremely poor reputation. However, I cannot stress how important this place has been in motivating me to pick up a pencil again, teaching me the best ways to improve, and the kindness I've received from artists who took the time out of their day to critique my work and show me the proper way in ITT.

How do you go about this? Do you vaguely refer to this place ("someone told me", "I heard through the grapevine that", etc.), not mention it at all, or clearly state your connection to 4chan?

i gotta learn fundamentals

>>3317737
Yea, I think the 1 pixel tool is something I need to drop.

im going to post a few pages i have, i really could use some critique. Im trying to spend an hour every day doing 5 minute gesture drawings.

i cant help that its posting sideways, my phone or 4chan is being fucking retarded

>>3317737

Oh yeah, nothing to do with that person lack of skill at all... It's because it's DIGITAL.

>>3317627

because dumbass beg like to jump straight into construction (loomis) hoping to get good and come here to complain loomis doesn't work.

does anyone know why phones post sideways so frequently and what i can do to change it? please critique.

>>3317163

DONT USE BLACK AS SHADOW

>>3317573

Steve Huston

>>3317788
Basic kit:
Starter kit of colors, depending on what mixing method you want to try. The basic sets they sell in groups of 10-12 colors should be more than enough to get started with. You might want to invest in a large tube of titanium white, as you'll use it often. A basic list would be something like this:
Cadmium Yellow
Yellow Ochre
Permanent Orange
Cadmium Red Medium
Alizarin Crimson
Ultramarine Blue
Cerulean (or Turquoise or Prussian Blue)
Violet (Manganese or Magenta)
Chromium Green Oxide
Viridian Green
Burnt Sienna
Burnt Umber
Titanium White or Mixed White (large tube)
Solvents: you'll need a decent sized bottle of linseed oil for mixing, turpenoid for cleaning/mixing, and you can invest in more later on for glazes as you learn. I make a basic glaze from linseed, turpentine (I keep a small bottle of it) and Damar varnish, for example.
A small collection of basic brushes - rounds, flats, filberts, and if you have the cash, a fan or two, and some 000's for details.
Some sort of surface to paint on, anything from gessoed paper to gessoed panels/stretched canvas frames. If you don't want to get into gesso, just buy pre-gessoed panels, in your price range, the cardboard backed canvas panels are fine for beginning. Don't spend a lot as you're learning. Just paint on gesso, is important.
A table top easel or floor standing easel - you really shouldn't do oils flat on a table. At the very least, on a drafting table at a steep angle. I have all 3.
Some sort of palette - and large is better. You can use a cheap white plate from IKEA, or a piece of wood. Up to you. Some like glass. Throw in a palette knife.

>>3317866

You need to crop the height a little.Web browser rotate mobile portrait images when it exceed certain height.

>>3316719
If you want to reduce grain, use smoother paper, like hot press bristol or illustration board. That, or use charcoal or black Conté.

>>3317865
wait so theres a step before Loomis?

Ok so how do I actually shade something?

>>3317874

Observation (training your eye to see as an artist)
-Simplying subject into 2d shapes.
-Basic Perspective
-Basic understanding of light and shadow
-Basic understanding of form

Construction
-Simplifying and replicate subject into 3D geometric shapes.
-Using imagination to turn subject in 3D space.
-Intermediate knowledge of perspective.

Anatomy
-Understanding muscle and bone structure to add details onto your (construction).

composition
values
colors etc etc...

There are some stuff that I missed but yeah that's the gist of it. Make sure that you grasp observation. That is the foundation of everything.

>>3317327
The point of it is to show construction rather than how to draw the values and details. So you shouldn't be able to get the finished result, but you should be able to understand the shapes.

Well I'm at the turd polishing stage, so here's my first attempt at drawing a reference. Believe it or not I do think this was helpful, since it helped sort of highlight lots of things I have trouble with. Will post reference right after

>>3317915

>>3317883
welp I'm glad my drawing 1 class covered those things. its easier for me to learn those under my professor last semester rather than when i tried to learn in drawing on the right side of the brain last year

hi friends; im more than likely "beg" tier but i have my priorities figured out and what *must* be done to..."gxt gxd". may i get a critical analysis on this hand study?

>inb4 clean your fuckin room faggot
i did
>inb4 fuck off nigger
no u
reference; 1 of 2

>>3317929
image 2 of 2

Just learning to draw the figure, would love some advice

>>3317881
determine light source 1st;
add darker tone ( per the more further it is or away from light) to far spots

I'm still doing my lewd comic

>>3317931
left forearm so smoll
gj otherwise, I@m still in the beginner stages of learning to draw the figure. Did you use any particular resource?

>>3317938
I´m watching Alphonso Dunn´s series on figure drawing

>>3317932
Right but how do you do it in photoshop. I only get these really hard shadows.

>>3317938
Also the forearm is supposed to be forshortened

qt elephant, got bored halfways through drawing his fat fuck body.

>>3317957
breddy gud. Is it bad that my first thought when I saw his tail was that it was his big elephant penis?

>>3317938
Switch unboxing videos

working on breaking forms into basic shape first then adding details. traced over ref to compare. My stuff still looks symboly. I am working on fixing that.

>>3317970
those pictures are difficult to learn from as studies do to the very wide lens which is affecting perspective and how unaligned everything is. you did a decent job using basic shapes but your proportions are very off and you're drawing what you think you see but not what you actually see.

>>3317915
Oh, i forgot to ask for any input, also would this warrant a redline? I really am new so I don't know when a redline is considered appropriate or if I'm being an ass, I do know that constantly bumping my own posts is assholish though so I'll try to get everything into the initial post next time.

>>3317950
Nvrmind I figured it out

i think it's easy to use the loomis balls to draw cacodemons and pain elementals what do you think

>>3318069
RIght?

>>3318069
No so stop it.

>>3318069
Sticky.

>>3318085
>>3318087
but it's not a bad tactic

>>3318088
It is.

>>3318085
>>3318087

>>3318085
>>3318087
>>3318090
Let the kid have fun you cunts

>>3318092
No fun, bitch.

>>3317866
>>3317862
>>3317861
Resize them to about 1000X1000 pixels

>>3318101
More like you should resize your penis.

>>3318103
Damn, got em

>>3318103
>>3318106
>dab

>>3318069
Stop.

>>3317808
>not mention it at all
This. If people care about getting better they'd find /ic/ by themselves.

I know it's far from being a great drawing, but let me know what you think. :)

>>3318149
whats that blue thingie

also how do you fuck up the moon

>>3318150
It's meant to be fog, and I did the moon like that on purpose haha.

>>3318149
looks like he in a lake

>>3318149
Poor.

>>3318154
Yeah i kind of regret putting it in there. Others have told me it looks like he's in water haha.

>>3318069
You're not even using your guidelines

>suddenly symbol drawing

Fuck. I thought I was over this, anyone else occasionally slide back into bad habits after making progress?

>>3318348
maybe stop your stupid copying from photos?
your work method is boring, unproductive, repetitive.

you take a photo, use the color picker and try to reconstruct it. that's not giving it anything new. you are trying to become a cheap copy machine.

>>3318353

I disagree, especially if your image is supposed to back up that point.

Using disdainful terms to support your stance just makes you look insecure.

>>3318353
WHO IS THIS FUCKING RETARD THAT KEEPS ON SPOUTING "DON'T BE A XEROX MACHINE"

REPLY TO ME WITH YOUR ART COWARD

>>3318369
>>3318380
>>3318369
that "exercise" is a parody of what you folks do on /ic/
this working method from model shoots is absolutely ridiculous to me. there is liteally nothing you add to it artistically and there is nothing to get from this exercise as you trick yourself into believing that you've created something that is close to a photo. there is no abstraction other than the dingy, undetailed recreation with dull photoshop brushes.

>>3316274
Study perspective and structure.

>>3317290
You wont get anywhere like that. Pressure and hard studying are essential to becoming good in your field, regardless of it being illustrarion or something else.

>>3317931
Lol I also used that same pic of my favorite black irish rapper, Mcride.

What I would recommend to you is to study gesture before getting into anatomy and structure. Also get a start on perspective as well.

>>3318384
shut up, crab
some people want to drawn from life, there is nothing wrong with using pictures for practice

>>3318410
there's nothing wrong with people accepting they're ngmi

>>3318410
Drawing from life and practicing from pictures isn't the problem.
Trying to recreate those images like a fucking copying machine is the problem.

So, after a decade of not drawing anything because reasons, should I still bother learning inking or should I go digital?

>>3318449
It's always better to relearn stuff on paper if you can.

What did loomis read?

This is how I am drawing today from imagination.
I've never tried it hard, but I really want to learn how to draw, this is my first step.

>>3317627
Because loomis gives you the tools for what most people who are starting out want to do: to be able to pull imaginary people and places straight from the ether and put them down on paper.
This is good because it gives beginners a real goal that is easily in sight, so they won't get discouraged and just give up. On the other hand, loomis is bad as a starting point because there really are some more basic fundamental skills that you should have first and often people without those skills bumble their way through Fun With A Pencil, not following the rules and guides loomis lays down, and post their half-hearted attempts (a la a number of posts in this thread)

If loomis looks fun and exciting and engaging to you, go for it! But if it just looks like any other instructional art book, you should probably start somewhere else.

Rate my meme

>>3318384
Nigga I'd rather listen to somebody that has been drawing for 25+ years and that says that drawing from photos is perfectly fine then some random dumb cunt on an anonymous finnish drum and bass forum.

>>3318511
He's already set on his autistic crusade. The only thing that can be done is to ignore

>>3318490
I'm going through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and was planning on buying Fun With Pencil next. Because I'm clueless, I'm just going through the beg guide, but what would you recommend something different or is it fine?

>>3318508
good until you got to the wrist/hand, 5/10

>>3318550
I was trying to learn the arm muscles, not the hand. The hand is a whole different beast, I'll probably buy an extra pad just for hands and feet

how do you guys tackle pants and more in general clothes? Got some useful tips? I really have no idea how to convey pants, especially that stylish baggy on the crotch kind of sports pants.

Also how do you avoid making a big fuckin mess out of your sketch?

>>3318541
Don't buy fun with a pencil, you can get a pdf from the sticky. Look through it, try some of the exercises and decide if it's something you want to pursue.
I'm not really sure what to recommend instead, but the recommendations of others don't matter as much as your own decision.You've got to believe what you're following is a path that goes somewhere.

Pick something you like, stick to it, and git gud

>>3318575
pick a single line and draw it in darker. If it looks good, erase the rest. If it doesn't erase it and draw another line. simple as that

>>3318591
but anon, bert dodson told me not to use an eraser

I'M TRYING,BERT

>>3318588
Alright, thanks

>>3318601
practice drawing a single line then

>>3318575
draw bigger

>>3318602
Shading like that looks really tedious and detracts from the piece. My hand is cramping up just looking at it. I think your life would be better if you watched these videos and used his methods of preparing and using pencils:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_W9sZ8S7RM&list=PLtG4P3lq8RHFRfdirLJKk822fwOxR6Zn6
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84&list=PLtG4P3lq8RHFRfdirLJKk822fwOxR6Zn6&index=2

>>3318329
You're not even CLOSE to baseline.

Why is coloring so HARD
>tfw kids on deviantart can color better than you
Hurts.

>>3318773
grow some stones and actually place value on your canvas

>>3317915
Cmon atleast tell me it's shit so I can move on

>>3317917
i'd fuck her in the bum that's for sure

>>3318775
???

>>3318779
yeah, this one really caught my eye because I want to be able to draw magnificent asses

>>3318802
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>>3318802
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>>3317788

this guy is pretty right =
>>3317871

but, before you take this step, you should probably see if you even like oils first... i.e. buy 1 average size oil brush, a black and a titanium white, a turp, and a few canvasses/canvas panels or some painting surface

just do b/w studies and see if u actually like the paint, bc oil isnt for everyone, and can be expensive

Its very flawed i couldnt convey the style i wanted to and didnt correct the anatomy