/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3294638
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139294920@N04/

>>3294638
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3294641
That’s outsider art

>>3294645
what do you mean? you think it's too HQ ?

>>3294648
Look it up

>>3294652
look what up?

>>3294638
wtf is outsider art?

>>3294671
Art that don’t fit into a category. Art by the insane, child prodigies, high school art, folk artist or self taught

...drug art

>>3294671
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art

>>3294675
I am actually a faux outsider. I am formally trained

>>3294703
calm down there prodigy

>>3294718
At least u acknowledge it

>>3294719
dipshit ego-trip

>>3294726
I am God

>>3294729
you're the schizo right? uh... how's that going for you?

>>3294730
I have bipolar mania with psychotic features...mixed states.

It’s going while. Makes your art HOT!

>>3294735
faggot fuck off

>>3294735
you painting looks ok calm your fucking horses you fag an drew something new you spamm every thread with one singular painting

Henry Darger is one of my favorite outside artists. He wrote one of the longest books ever and illustrated them and only after his death did they discover it. Chicago has a good outsider art museum.

you loli futa lovers may love his work too ..jk... henry darger had an interesting background and a bit crazy

>>3295470

>>3295472
he sketched over paper clipping and like newspapers and other childrens books. He had a photo of a missing child and cared for it deeply and used her face in alot of the photos. he was abused in childhood so reports say he was kind off since

>>3295474

>>3295476

illastrat, why don't you do more egyptian themed art? i think it would really suit your style.

Not gonna lie, I kind of dislike the label of "outsider art." Generally what this means is that it's done by someone who is not classically trained, or suffers from mental illness. Sometimes it is bizarre, or strange, or sad. Which I think leads to a kind of weird thing in the art world today where there's sort of a fetishization of mental illness or the naivete of someone who made art in private and then never really profited from it. But at the same time, it serves as a lot of inspiration for many contemporary artists today, and is then adapted to a more profitable model. I'm not saying it's wrong for people to take inspiration from other artists, but I don't know if the term "outsider" really fits the sort of work it encompasses anymore because so many artists in this day and age try to emulate the "naive" way of working or making intentionally "bad art" that it is actually something that is very much in fashion.

Im Donnie D, the pot head artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_3gVkqb5cQ

I quit my job to make 2 minute youtube videos for 30 people.

>>3296575
who said it was bad art

>>3296814
Have you thought of doing youtube tutorials, illastrat? You could really help a lot of people on /ic/.

>self taught musician
>>oh you're a musician, cool!
>self taught artist
>>oh you're insane or something?

>>3294638
>Any fellow outsiders out there?
I'm guessing the people you are looking for hang out in here >>3294426

>>3294919
he's insane, bipolar nutcase, said it himself. >>3294735

this man can't be helped

There is only one true outsider artist

Self-labeling as an outsider artist means you probably aren't one.

>>3294638
Does "outsider" really mean as much in the age of the internet? It's never been easier for any random Joe off the street to gather a following and make a living off his art. Not to say it's completely easy, of course, just that it's easier.

The only thing "outsider" can really mean is being an outsider to the gallery system, but again, given that we have the internet and multiple industries in which commercial art is thriving, and given that the gallery system is shitty and corrupt anyway, should being an outsider to the galleries really matter to you? It's probably statistically easier to make a living without them than with them, and you don't really want their respect anyway.

>>3298331
My impression is the exact opposite. Anyone who can draw at all can make a few quick bucks by doing furry porn. Bam, you're an artist, doesn't matter that you're self-taught. Meanwhile every """musician""" I know just fucks around on their guitar every once in a while and besides that does nothing with it, because it's impossible to get people to pay for music anymore. So if you want to have a career in music, you better have some institutional connections.

>>3300894
>Anyone who can draw at all can make a few quick bucks by doing furry porn.
how old are you?

>>3300904
26.

>>3300894
I make hella cash off my art. I rarely get money off my music. I am a better musician. Music is the highest art form

>>3294638
I do my own thing. I was pretty good about seven/eight years back but lost all of my discipline/ability to actually draw or reproduce anything that ain't mine. Went through a long period of alcoholism - bing bang boom - now I have my own style, my own business, it's pretty nice.

Art folk I know say they can't paint off the dome /from imagination - something about being formally trained fucks that up, apparently.

>>3300904
And how old are you? Do you know how long furries have been spending money on furry porn, let alone how long they've been on the internet?

>>3301244
>Art folk I know say they can't paint off the dome /from imagination - something about being formally trained fucks that up, apparently.

They're subtly telling you that you suck and should learn to use reference

>>3301496
:(

That being said - I've sold some seventy pieces in the last year. None of my art school friends are selling jack shit.

>>3294638
maybe the term outsider art is outdated now

>>3294638
Do I count?
>>3298458

>>3296814
Do YouTube tutorials, I never went to art school and I need a mentor.

>>3303796
No you just suck ass

>>3294638
Kill yourself please.

>>3294673
I've done tons of drugs, and this is just shit art.

>>3294673
You're bipolar & all these other 'things' you 'claim', yet you're also claiming these as drug art?
If you're seriously mentally ill, you're not going to abuse recreational drugs unless you're too stupid......oh hang on.
>>3304502
I agree with this anon.

>>3294673
Waitaminute are you telling me there are people that do art sober?

Does being on adderall, pot, and alcohol generally every time I paint count?

>>3304238
say that to my faces faget

>>3304611
same here anon,

sober drawing feels

bad

drugs is poor excuse for anon unless shes just gargling barbituates or something i guess

>>3296575
>>3304651
here

agreed,
it's romantisicing mental illness and has a very hipster vibe to it

Hows this for artsider art you fucking poindexters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Se9FXxxY3Q

>>3304611
I've been sober my entire career. I ave up alcohol and drugs in high school, thanks to an alcoholic parent.

My whole life, especially in college, potheads would babble at me "You should do art on pot maaaaaaan. Or on acid!"

You know what that leads to? Art that only someone on pot or acid would like. It's shit. I'e watched people try. It doesn't work.

It's like when I point out to hippies that THE leading artist in the "spiritual" movement who's revered by hippies and LSD heads, Alex Grey, works sober. Their brains try to accept that, but it's hard for them to get past their addictions and see it.

>>3304612
You suck faggot

>>3305288
he traces too, he admitted to me as such when he was shilling on /tv/. what a douche

>>3305293
Tracers deserve the chair. Absolute haram

>>3305296
I wouldn't mind if he was at least trying to improve his level of understanding of light and color but no, it's just flat paint on a canvas. good luck though, hope you trick some jackasses in to buying your manual labor

>>3305299
True. At least try, I hope he gets cance

>>3305288
You're the best and the girls love you and you have a healthy relationship with women and yourself.
>>3305293
You're anonymous. Nobody knows what you do or what you're capable of and likely they never will.
>>3305296
Nothing like approaching art production using the language of a hysterical uneducated religious zealot.
>>3305299
>I wouldn't mind if he was at least trying to improve his level of understanding of light and color but no
You have no idea what I "at least" try doing. And could you think of a mean meaningless meme criticism to say?
> it's just flat paint on a canvas
Well A: It's explicitly flat on the the unfinished ones that I don't care to put the hours of layering in just to sate do-nothing contrarian teenagers on 4chan.
>good luck though, hope you trick some jackasses in to buying your manual labor
A: You're not responding to me. B: What in the fuck do you think production is? You think ANYBODY gives a shit about your anime drawing "skills?" Exactly how young are you? How many marketable pieces have you made in your life? How many did you make in 2017? How many did you make in January? Who owns your work?
>>3305330
You ever wonder if you have a personality disorder?

>>3304960
>My whole life, especially in college, potheads would babble at me "You should do art on pot maaaaaaan. Or on acid!"
You seem like a self-important joyless boring piece of shit.
>You know what that leads to? Art that only someone on pot or acid would like.
Oh so only a demographic of hundreds of millions of people and an overwhelming majority of the people that appreciate and buy art.
>It's shit.
You're shit.
>I'e watched people try. It doesn't work.
Art production under the influence of marijuana? Are you Amish? What about people that take anti-psychotics or anti-anxiety meds or anti-depressants while producing art? What about people that DON'T take anti-psychotics or anti-anxiety meds or anti-depressants when they're supposed to? What about if you took like 3 aspirin?
>It's like when I point out to hippies that THE leading artist in the "spiritual" movement who's revered by hippies and LSD heads, Alex Grey, works sober.
Motherfucker you JUST said that art made by stoned people is the kind of art that stoned people like, and now you're saying that stoned people really like art made by someone that "works sober?"

And do you not understand the difference between "working sober" (ie: not out of your head on acid) and being a self-important teetotaling dingus? Alex Grey was still very much an "acid head." His art is inspired by the perceptual distortions you ONLY experience under the influence of psychedelics or extreme food poisoning. Pointing out that he isn't constantly on acid while spending like 50 hours a week in production isn't some fantastic shock.
>Their brains try to accept that, but it's hard for them to get past their addictions and see it.
Go fuck yourself. You seem like a masturbator so I don't mean that negatively.

>>3305360
I know exactly what you're trying to do. you're trying to crank out a bunch of low skill meme paintings to sell to idiots. I don't respect you or your "art"

>>3294641
hinga dinga durgen

>>3305427
>I know exactly what you're trying to do.
No. You don't.
>you're trying to crank out a bunch of low skill meme paintings to sell to idiots.
Actually the original and primary motivation for producing them has been that they're ultimately going to be props to be destroyed or damaged for a series of mock instructional comedy videos that serve as a framework for commentary about the subject matter or the history and backstory of the memes being portrayed. My professional background is in video production and ultimately I'm probably more interested in writing and producing than painting, and painting is part of my attempt to build my own production company around something I enjoy doing.

I don't intend to sell any originals and if I cared about selling to idiots I'd be doing whatever you're into.
>I don't respect you or your "art"
Can't say I care too much about your "respect," kiddo. I don't know you, will never get to know you, and you've said everything you needed to to demonstrate that you are not now and will never be someone that matters. Triggering buttblsted unproductive pretentious children with no potential is why I got into the meme-painting game in the first place. Your lack of "respect" probably just increased the value of my work. You're proof of concept. Thanks for the screencap m80.

>>3305454
yeah yeah keep shilling baby boi, fuck off this is a board for traditional art, not garbage memes

>>3305454
your hipster art project sounds dumb and lame. stop shilling.

>>3305483
>she said, in the "outsider art" thread.
It's interesting how you "traditional" fags A: never ever actually post anything or say anything to demonstrate they actually know what they're talking about, and B: are generally just talking about fucking rudimentary drawing shit for kids.

What exactly is your specialty? What specifically is your craft? What value do you offer to anybody? What do you produce that has any value? What is your goal?

Do you just have a panic attack any time you encounter a printmaker? "Art" from "artists" like Lichtenstein or Warhol or Mondrian must just give you brain bubbles huh?
>>3305485
You have no meaningful endeavors to speak of. I have several. And I have a year's worth of production to show for it. Being generous with the schedule I've got like 10 months left before ending the peasant painting phase. If I stick to schedule I most likely lose a finger in 5 years and I'm dead from misadventure 2 years after that. 700 paintings to go.

See you at the finish line faggot.

>>3305493
making a hipster art project and shilling it on 4chan constantly hardly counts as a worthy endeavor. lay off the aderall and go use your money on something other than canasses and trace paper. bitch boi

>>3305502
>making a hipster art project and shilling it on 4chan constantly hardly counts as a worthy endeavor.
tell that to investors.
>lay off the aderall and go use your money on something other than canasses and trace paper.
I don't use trace paper. You don't even know how canvas transfer works. You have no frame of reference for even the very basics of painting. Why have such strong opinions about things you're entirely uneducated about? Do you not feel embarrassed about yourself constantly?

And you realize 11x14 canvas panels for like $1 each right? Remember that when insecure children like you use 4chan, they often use the blanket of anonymity to project their own justifications for the cognitive dissonance they feel about themselves at strangers. There's nothing keeping you from proving to me, and yourself, how much better you are. $30 and you can have a basic set of acrylics, 12 canvasses, and a basic brush set. Easy peasy. But instead you tell strangers they shouldn't do that so you don't feel like a hyprocrite when you also don't do it.
>bitch boi
Which backwoods gook country are you from that you think that's a meaningful insult? You're a coward. A malignant do-nothing cancer on your family. Doomed to a life of unimportance as you stare into the black mirror, crippled by the delusional sense of unearned narcissistic self-importance you developed as a way to justify your laziness to yourself. There's no medication for what you have :)

>>3305493
This is not outsider art. This is just "bad art". Thats what i am saying. Outsider art is more than G.W. Bush quality oil paintinsg and amateurish acrylic fuck ups. Outsider art is art that mostly all my paintings epitomizes. It has a quaility that your art doesnt have. Most Outsider art is very bizarre. your shit just looks like you dont know what you are doing.

>>3305535
>This is not outsider art. This is just "bad art"
Maybe. Although just because you put something in quotes doesn't mean you're demonstrating or defining much of anything.
>Thats what i am saying.
I don't know who you are? Are you the one calling me bitch boi? Are you the one deleting your posts? You the one hoping I get cancer?
>Outsider art is more than G.W. Bush quality oil paintinsg and amateurish acrylic fuck ups.
Is it though? The piece you posted is awash with fuck ups and questionable choices, but you just make it look stupid to start with so nobody notices.
>Outsider art is art that mostly all my paintings epitomizes.
Oh so there's insiders to your outsider club.
>It has a quaility that your art doesnt have.
Disorienting, iamveryedgy, and tryhard?
>Most Outsider art is very bizarre.
But the pic you posted isn't "very bizarre" at all. I thought I was the one that paints shitty 4chan memes.
>your shit just looks like you dont know what you are doing.
You looked at the painting you posted and decided, "you know what, it doesn't matter that the trigger on an AK isn't in front of the banana clip, and that by putting the trigger there I needlessly distract the viewer with an obvious and annoying geographic error that only highlights the questionable choice to try and cram a rifle into the picture, particularly with the barrel just kind of disappearing behind the head in a way that only draws the eye to the confusing hair curler (?) situation going on. And you know what why not have the subject feature both traditional pagan African mouth bullshit AND an apparently biblical reference on his head? And who cares that I phoned in the clouds? I put some flappy v birds in the sky and filled the right side with a bunch of orange bullshit, frustratingly jutting out from behind the character where it looks like the barrel of the rifle should be." If that is "knowing what you're doing" I'm pretty comfortable staying ignorant.

>>3305535
And like your colors on all of your paintings are fucking retarded. And your deviant art pages are just full of you making the dumbest defenses of your shitty coloring and frustrating composition. Just because you're using complementary colors doesn't mean it doesn't look like shit. Yeah, orange and blue complement each other. Doesn't make it any less terrible when you spam every fucking painting with a bunch of shit-colored garbage that doesn't make sense in stupid ways. The irony is that you make "bad art" but embarrassingly you seem to put a lot of effort into while also maintaining a delusional sense of your abilities.

Not that I don't like your work. Seems clear that it was made by a person with mental illness, and that is interesting. I'm sure every piece has it's own story and everything else. You demonstrate a relatively capable ability with the brush and your shit-brown dull aesthetic is relatively novel.

Just seems weird that you'd be the type of jackass to call someone else's work "bad art" in a negative way, when you almost exclusively produce "terrible art." I'd imagine nobody would really buy your shit as anything other than a conversation piece. Very little of any of the things that you've produced have much aesthetic value at all tbphwyf. Your lines and colors repulse the eye away from the canvas. Nothing you do isn't unpleasant.

As far as I can tell the big difference between us is that I produce art made and marketed to be hung in a bathroom, while you produce art that nobody would want to hang anywhere other than a bathroom. All doo respect.

I like how >>3306028 does bad art on purpose, leads such a boring life that he needs to respond to every single post in a thread, and has such a weak ego that he needs to defend every single criticism leveled at him, yet Illustrat still manages to be 100x worse.

>>3305535 Not only are you worse, but you are so arrogant that you will never improve. At least >>3306028 cultivates a sufficient level of self loathing.

Yall are arguing over the difference between bad art and outsider art, but you haven't considered the possibility that you both fit into the synthesized category: bad outsider art.


>>3304960
You are wrong, if you have solid fundamentals, doing art while high doesn't effect your abilities much, doesn't change much, and simply becomes more fun. Well, depends on the drug and the dose.... The people you saw doing shitty art that only stoners would like were bad to begin with. Then, the normie stoners are more kind and open and interested in art than usual and, being normies, haven't developed an eye for quality, so of course they like it.

>>3306114
tldr lul

NGMI

>>3305387
Boo hoo, someone doesn't support your addiction. LOL. Fuck off, junky.

>>3306142
>Boo hoo, someone doesn't support your addiction.
Which one? The only substance I experience physiological withdrawal symptoms from is caffeine. Do you drink caffeine? Are you a junky?

And how exactly does being a self-important boring faggot have any bearing on relative "support" of addictions? You're going to miss everything cool, interesting, and fun in life and probably die angry and bitter at the people that didn't let their shitty parents ruin their life. It's always going to be those darn "junky's" fault isn't it?

Your dad was the junky right? You're a teetotaling child because you were abused and traumatized by your shitty family as a child? You've chosen to let your entire life be shaped by drug addiction and I'm the junky?

You aren't sober because you're better than normal people, you're sober because you're damaged. You have to abstain from everything because you don't have the self-control to do anything, and you have to tell yourself that maintaining the same lifestyle that you had when you were 13 is what healthy adults do.

And I guess I was right about you being a compulsive masturbator huh? Fuck on, junky.

>>3306160
So many words, so little substance. But you keep running your mouth, you're just showing more and more what a poser and a child you are.

I knew I could trigger you. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want attention. I'll let other people feed you (you)s, I'm bored with you already.

>>3306187
>So many words, so little substance
You're just obsessed with substance abuse huh.
>But you keep running your mouth
I'm typing dipshit.
>you're just showing more and more what a poser and a child you are.
OH NO I'M A POSER?!?! It's interesting as fuck that you would say that. I was just talking the other day about how much "poser" was a meaningful insult in 7th grade, when I was literally 13, and how it basically means nothing to me now that I'm 30. Are you also really into 90s punk like 13-year-old me was?

And I'm ok with being called a child. Childhood was fun. My parents could handle their booze. My aesthetic is intentionally childish and there's a lot that can be said about striving to keep in touch with the innocence and wonder of childhood. The difference between me and you is that you never grew up in the first place. You abstained. Your social development was halted in your adolescence, which is why you're such a miserable cunt now.
>I knew I could trigger you.
Trigger me? Do you know how long I've been doing this? Seeking out people with personality disorders and confronting them is part of my whole thing. This is what I do when I procrastinate. I'd just be talking to some other autist if it wasn't for you m8.
>You don't want to discuss anything
I want to discuss your family. Tell me more about how you're genetically predisposed to being a self-destructive piece of shit.
>you just want attention. This is all for you. Operant conditioning designed to punish you for being a self-important narcissistic cunt about your own disorder in such a way that in the future you may think twice before you masturbate your fractured ego on a mongolian knitting forum.
> I'll let other people feed you (you)s, I'm bored with you already.
Yeah I bet you are. Boring people bore easy. And of course you'd use avoidance strategies to get out of things that make you uncomfortable. It's almost like that's your entire life or something lmaooooooo

>>3294729
Wow, it's shit lmao

>>3305535
I'm responding again because I don't like that I posted Purple and Red without Blue.

>>3306282
you trace nigga...obviously but you can render.

USE MORE PAINT.

whats the point?

>>3306298

worship me

>>3306298
>you trace nigga
Well technically it's graphite transfer. Nigga. And it's such a funny thing how it's only something that people that don't paint care about. Every painter does a transfer, particularly if they're going for a proportional aesthetic, and particularly if they don't feel like wasting hours setting up a grid and doing it by hand just to get to the same place. Nobody really cares about how good you can draw, and if you can draw well enough people assume it's a transfer anyway. You think anybody that buys art gives a shit if it was hand drawn versus a transfer?

What about when painters use a projector? What about when niggas make prints? Have you ever spent ANY time learning ANY thing about art history? Have you ever been in a fucking museum in your life? You know what you rarely see in them? Free hand drawings. Because it's unimpressive baby shit.

If I liked the aesthetic of my hand drawing style for this series of would have done it. I'm pretty good at drawing, particularly faces. I used to be exceptionally good. I don't care about proving that I can draw, I care about making shit I want to look at.

>USE MORE PAINT.
No. Go fuck yourself. Not using enough Acrylic is one of the most novel aspects of my aesthetic. The dirtiness and the translucence and the smudginess is one of the most characteristic things I do.

>whats the point?
Of what? One must imagine Sisyphus smiling. There isn't a "point" to anything. You roll the rock up the hill and laugh when it inevitably crashes back down. Then repeat.

the Only thing good about the paintings is the proportions.

>>3303961
Cool

Posting in the thread for the mentally ill.

>>3306342

>>3306326
>Well technically it's graphite transfer.
sorry to break it to you, but whether you are tracing or transfering or doing a blueprint … whatever lazy method you've chosen … it doesn't make up for your huge lack of feeling for color, space, haptic and general skill in painting. it shows.

simply transfering something into a different media isn't necessarily "good enough" or "smart enough" to actually make it worthwhile and create interesting results. poor concept, poor results.

>>3303796
You're establishment these days

>>3308482
kill yourself faggot. You don't even have a single thing to post. I was doing photorealistic chalk pastel drawings in 2003.
> it doesn't make up for your huge lack of feeling for color, space, haptic and general skill in painting. it shows.
Good. And so does your pic related.

This is singlehandedly the most embarassing group of children on this board, literally not even sure if you guys are baiting or actually this delusional

Should you guys give this many fucks about someone saying your art is bad? No. Just paint and get over it and on with your lives holy fuck

>>3309870
Im God you work at a desk

>>3309728
don't tell me you're trying to let this pic of yours pass as "photorealism".

>>3309870
ignore illustrat. he said it himself, he is bipolar and has serious mental issues. you can't reason with such people.

but it should be no surprise to anyone who is in art that there are people out there "this delusional" that they can't tell how bad they are. it is a beginners mistake to be blown away by your own work. if you are, you haven't done enough yet, you haven't pushed yourself to the limit and you're not reflecting on your own work. constantly being pleased with your results should make you sceptical, but it doesn't with NGMIs.

>>3305454
>Actually the original and primary motivation for producing them has been that they're ultimately going to be props to be destroyed or damaged for a series of mock instructional comedy videos that serve as a framework for commentary about the subject matter or the history and backstory of the memes being portrayed.
This is gay, you are gay, stop polluting the world with bad art, we have enough of it as it is.

>>3306326
>Well technically it's graphite transfer.
ooooh, look at her! we've got a specialist over here!
"actually it's graphite transfer!"
"technically, i still suck!"
- wouldn't you know?

you've proven to us that tracers are the real NGMIs