/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3302602
What to do to learn better sketching? I always end up drawing way to messy.

>>3302608
this is mostly something you have to practice to get better at. but i have some tips to get more confident with your lines:

1. draw circles and spirals in one line, over and over, try being confident and not changing or fixing them

2. practice sketching with one long line or very few lines

3. it sounds simple but just practice drawing long lines without raising your pen

overall try to reduce the number of lines you use and dont rely on fixing it later or erasing too much and it should help you practice becoming more confident with your lines

>>3302608
buy some felt tip pens

>>3302615
tnx anon, currently working on perpective made easy, so I'll be doing long anyway, but non the less I'll try to practice. :)

>>3302616
mostly work digital(the pic I posted was also made digitaly) but I guess I can give it a try

How do I draw like Brekkist? lol Is Scott Robertson's perspective book the way to go or is there anything better?

>>3302624
Work traditionally, faggot. Paper and pencil are the tools of all artists

More practice

>>3302668
Moar

>>3302663
I used to work only traditionally, but after getting into digital I like it more. still do traditional thought, just stated painting lessons

I'm currently trying to wrap my head around using limited palettes. How do you know which colors to match with the reference picture?
Like, if there's a shade of orange in the reference, and it's not within my limited palette, do I try and pick the color that's closest? Or should I have included that color to start with?
Are there any good guides that can help me figure it out?

can someone offer some critique? I have no idea how to go furhter with this

>>3302688
>/beg/

>>3302688
Dont listen to >>3302696, you are still /beg/

Pose is stiff and muscular anatomy is just incorrect, also the guy has no skin and his face is weird. Also the shading is off.

Youre painting with too many strokes it looks like you didnt block the values out very well beforehand. Also use foreshortening because despite spending so much time on value the whole thing looks flat.

Posting from phone. I have been drawing for a few months now.

>>3302668
What books are you reading about drawing?

>>3302688
You are trying to do something complex
Do you even know how to draw and shade the basic forms?
I don’t think so. This is the result.
Everything is like chicken scratching strokes, I think you use your pencil like this too. Bad

Do you know about local value?
Do you know about graphic shapes?
Do you know about compositional value system?
No
No
No

You are trying to render muscles, even without know how to draw and feel the form. You are no even feeling the gesture. Is it like you got inspired by berserk. The background doesn’t help either to enhance the focal point. Assuming is his face.
The edges are all hard, no variation, there is not artistic choice here.

To go further save this and study, then realize, then fix.
I hope my critic help you. I’m not trying to destroy you, I’m helping you.
Because this is the way I critic my own stuff. Straight and direct to the point.

help

>>3302738
Stop drawing on a computer, retard, pick up some paper and a fucking pencil

>>3302738
Put some effort into creating something that YOU know doesn't fucking suck first and foremost.
>>3302753
Also this

Critique? This is for a coworker who is retiring on Friday. Its from a photograph of her dog she keeps pinned on her cubicle that I took a pic of with my phone.

I think I’m halfway done. Regular ballpoint pen on printer paper, about an hour and a half.

Should I start over?

>>3302765
The photo.

What kind of perspective technique is this called? The way how the buildings curve at the end. I've seen it used in SFIII 2nd impact backgrounds.

1/?

>>3302773
2/?

>>3302776
3/4

>>3302779
why the fuck is it transparent

>>3302780
Because you're a bitch.

>>3302772
Learn

Wip.
I posted this in other thread but it was old.
I don't draw very often lately and i can't draw fucking hands, so i censor it, kill me.

>>3302796
i wish i was good like that, what program clip studio?

>>3302796
I can dig it, Sailor Mercury and Jupiter out purging?
Draw hands.

>>3302800
i use paint tool sai
>>3302809
kek, no, i just imagine random anime girls and that happened. And yes, i'm keep practicing hands although is a stressed shit to do, but i keep trying

I drew a fox based off of a documentary still I saw

>>3302850

Today's stuff. Trying to do more with foreshortning and different views like was suggested last thread.

Janky gestures and a longer piece.

still trying to get the hang of perspective

and i gotta learn how to fix the uneven

>>3302772
Fish eye

>>3302871
>>3302879
now do 2 point perspective

>>3302885
time to grind

feedback appreciated

>>3302767
>>3302765
Nevermind, I just found out she had to put the dog down today so I’m gonna have to draw something else. :(

this is my first time every fucking with the mixer brush in photoshop and I know I overexagerrated the facial features. Are there ways to get a less opaque dry brush?

>>3302889
pleeaassee use the line tool or a ruler if you're doing perspective

>>3302914
But ISN'T THAT CHEATING?

I'm stumped on where to begin with all this. I'm going to be honest here I really want to get good at creating anime styled characters and then move on to animation.

>>3302916
no rules just tools, but it'd be seriously beneficial if you learned how to draw straight lines without a ruler. Still, use a ruler if you really need to.

>>3302688
>>3302718
Just pitching in here with a good ol' "remember to have fun!!"

Everything anon said about your piece is true but that doesn't mean you're not allowed to paint what you want from time to time.

I suggest you finish it, take pride in what you've improved on throughout the process of creating the piece, but also take the time to study the things that are wrong with it so that you can get better!

>>3302928
Good post. I'll share pic related too for anyone struggling. Don't get discouraged.

shouldn't be translucent this time

>>3302773
>>3302776
>>3302779
>>3302780
any critique?

>>3302926
and then i'll be able to make something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NtpF3QkCxk

>>3302947
You won't get there immediately after learning how to draw straight lines, but it will definitely help with learning accuracy and line confidence (which is what this guy seems to be pretty good at).

Help I need advice is it stupid to do stuff like this instead of grinding on studies and lomis? Cuz I know technically I lack any skill but doing complete works is the only thing that interests me and I feel that it helps me learn, am I wrong?

>>3302962

who is your mans ayy

>>3302931
Hell ya!! What's most important about art is to have fun, don't fall into the mindset that you gotta be chuggin on like a zombie in order to get better at it.

imo if you're not havin fun you're better off finding another hobby or career!! Why slave away at being an artist if you can slave away at something less risky. baka

>>3302916
Not when your goal is to learn perspective no!! At first you wanna make sure you're being accurate. When you start to get a solid feel for how it works is when you can start eyeballing things.

It's ALSO very important to learn how to draw straight lines, don't get me wrong. But when you're doing perspective studies? Use a ruler friendo, you're only gonna be hindering your progress otherwise.

My advice is to do some different practice on the side to get your line confidence up.

Thinking of drawing cars because cars are cool, but I've never drawn cars before. I'm going to do some right now, anybody have any experience with cars?

>>3302940
use a paper/pencil

>>3302909
Sorry I got a little carried away, I was having fun.

But here's the settings I use + the results it gives.

>>3302981
hope you know perspective/scott robertson's how to draw

>>3303003
that nose is twice the width of the original.

>>3303003
ill try this but i actually don't think the mixer brush has opacity settings which is a bitch I might just torrent corel painter or something

Please rate, asking for a friend.

>>3302992
if I want to learn to draw digitally, shouldn't I fucking draw digitally?

>>3303014
ya i didn't fuck w the original anatomy too much

>>3303027
Yeah, ikr. I heard drawing digitally is like learning to draw again anyway. Is it true?

>>3303027
You should learn your fundamentals traditionally because 1) it's easier to handle since you've used a pencil your whole life and 2) there's no ctrl + z or bad shortcuts. After a year or so you can go to digital, but at the end of the day do whatever you feel is best for you.

>>3303031
A crab probably told you that. Learning to accommodate to digital platforms admittedly do take a while but your art is gonna take a huge hit if you don't know fundamentals while you're at it.

>>3303021
hmm is this the kinda look you're looking for?

>>3303034
so whats the difference between me learning fundamentals digitally (which I'll be using every day) and learning fundamentals traditionally (which I will probably barely use)

>>3303042
My point is that it's a lot harder to learn fundamentals digitally. I don't think many would refute that. Did you even read my post? But if you insist, go ahead and never pick up a pencil, I would love to see where you'd be in two years.

>>3303036
>>3303003
nose and the face in general are too wide, the eyes are also too far down, you made him round when in fact he is more square

>>3303046
let me learn my lesson before I completely give up. I used to be a good artist but i stopped drawing for a year due to personal matters, I don't think it'd be much of a major difference and plus I need to get used to digital anyways

>>3302753
U a diq

>>3303033
>>3303034
>>3303046
post your work

>>3302926
Is there more to this series than just the first video? I have been trying to find it but have been unsuccessful.

>>3303055
Are you fucking kidding? There. If you have no more arguments to make and "post your work" is the best you can come up with then you don't deserve any help anyway, I never post my thoughts in this thread because of people like you recently. I just want people to succeed and doing things traditionally is really important but i hope your drivers get perpetually fucked up and you're forced to draw traditionally your whole life you ungrateful fudgepacker.

>>3303055
thanks anon, you made it seem like I (>>3303042
) was using a shitty arguement (post your work) and now hes angry at internet strangers, good job

>>3303067
dude calm the fuck DOWN

>>3303025

>>3303077
i mean he's giving solid advice and gets hit with "lul post work". i'd be annoyed too.

>>3302968
And what makes you think I’m a female anon?

>>3303025

Good choice of flat colors, but your buddy's lack of anatomy knowledge is apparent. Your eyes seem tacked on like stickers, Your best drawn face is definitely the top right: good expression, and eyes feel naturally set. Here are some basic tips short term and long term.

>Avoid flounder face a la the right most figure. Profiles are used a lot in animation, especially anime, since they save time by not having to constantly redraw lips on a per frame basis. Consider drawing the lips anyway.

>Avoid showing features through hair. Your hair appears decent and has good forms, especially on the orange haired girl where the masses of hair wrap around the head. However, several characters have their eyes peeking through their hair, giving it a very ugly flattening effect. Panty and Stocking is a superb example of how to do flat well: all shapes are independent layers with striking colors that will always occlude other shapes if they are forefront, and shapes that are formless are kept purely 2D to bring attention to sharp, bold outlines.

>The composition feels like it was built off a single element, specifically the brown haired man in the front. Everything behind him feels like an after thought. Plan your piece to its entirety before going in to finish. The bottom left in particular feels really busy, and my eyes keep going over there and getting stuck.

Long term stuff is construction. Budding artists initially start with construction before internalizing how to build forms without pesky measuring lines that stifle creative flow. Your friend seems to have an okay grasp of basic forms. Focus on eyes first: learn to draw real eyes, then stylize using simplification techniques. There is a lot of appeal that exists in eyes. Getting them right is pivotal in making something cute/sexy/powerful/etc since our own eyes are naturally drawn to eyes first, whether in conversation or looking at art. After that, focus on the rest of the face. Good luck.

anyone?

>>3303027
Yes, but you should still learn with a pen/pencil and paper on the side. It's not completely necessary but as you learn the fundamentals more you can apply them back and forth traditionally and digitally. Traditional lets you work on bigger pieces of paper than your tablet (most likely) so you can learn to make big confident marks without the use of ctrl+z or free transform tools. You'll use them in the future but at this point you can't even freehand draw straight lines. You can always practice your dexterity with traditional tools so pick up that pencil, some cheap paper, and get to work.

>>3303027
Do both. At least for your exercises and studies. You don't need to do finished work traditionally

>>3303036
actually i found out you can adjust the opacity by changing the flow its not exactly the same as corel but I'm fucking around with it

copied from the $20, please rate

Second homework assignment from the ctrlpaint traditional art videos. Had to draw 20 rectangular prisms so I just used a box of pens I had lying around. It was definitely harder than I thought, but I wouldn't mind grinding more of these as an exercise.

A lot of the shitty lines you notice in the picture are from a lack of dexterity. Trying to try a line straight down the paper instead of rotating the paper to go side to side is something I need to practice more.

Going to see if I can try that exercise from Keys to Drawing without shitting the bed again.

>>3302780
>hes trying to return
back to the pit you go

>>3303126
what do you mean anon?

>>3303126
seriously though what do you mean
this is kind of fucking with my head
are you implying I am satan and need to go back to hell or what

>>3303141
you arent fooling anyone nosebro

>>3303143
woah man I got those noses from a sycra video thank you very much

>>3302772
curvilinear perspective

>>3303146
i think you mean sinus

>>3302073
>>3302080

7 Feb 2018 - Day 8

7 gestures, referenced - @ 90 secs

Today was, in a word, half-assed. With both my jobs needing a lot out of me these past few days, I've collectively gotten 6 hours of total sleep since Saturday. I don't work a double tomorrow, so this was mostly an exercise in habit. My hand felt very unsteady due to the exhaustion, but I've made a commitment, and I don't want to give up now.

Saw little improvement today. Most of my improvement will come down to further anatomy study, I think. I'm going to take another look into my Design and Invention book tomorrow for how to specifically solve the problem of the neck gesture. For now, though, I'm just going to get some much needed sleep and come back to this tomorrow and, hopefully, have time to work on something other than my gestures.

Alright

So I did my lines
I did my flats

And now I'm scratching my head here
What's the best way to "bring this to life?"

Any guides on doing lighting and shading for interiors? Rooms specifically?

>>3303272
interesting lighting. interiors are pretty boring really. material rendering is important depending on the style. try to think of a mood you want to feel from the room and approach the colors that way thinking carefully about warms and cools.

>>3303272
this isn't critique but more of a question as i dont know myself. wouldn't all vertical lines in this situation be the same 90 degree angle from the ground?

>>3303287
Yeah you're right
I wasn't paying attention

Thanks for noticing I'll fix it now

how bad is it that the leg is obscuring the guys face? is it bad enough to change?

>>3303297

>>3302928
That is what I told him. To study then fix it after realizing the errors he made. Im not trying to make art a mechanical approach. I wished someone more experienced told me exactly what is wrong and why. Direct.

Does someone know why drawing 1 and too are weird? The chest, is it too exaggerate?
What do you think?


>>3302708
I’m studying villpu, Huston, Hampton, proko. Loomis. Everything I can learn from somewhere. But my favorite is villpu.

Can I have some help? Particularly with creating smoother shading and sketches that are in proporton

Reposting my question from the previous thread: has anybody read Peak by K. Anders Ericsson? Does anybody know of any drawing course (preferably video) that goes from completely untrained level that applies the techniques of deliberate practice (small focused lessons, quick feedback etc)?

>>3303346
draw the entire head, that will make proportion more obvious (eye to chin = eye to top of skull)
smooth the shading with a paper towel to smoothen it out, equal pressure and circular
then use an eraser as drawing tool. lightest light being reflected light being completely erased white of the paper

Started attending figure drawing. I have no idea how to measure proportions from life... Every time I used the pencil to measure headlength, the measurements came out wrong. How do you measure how wide a drawing should be? Also vine charcoal vs compressed charcoal pencil? Or use them all in conjunction? So many questions...

Double post... Plz tell me what my most pressing fundamental issues are There's really so much wrong its hard to know which ones are the most crucial to take care of.

Loomis is not a meme
It's not perfect but I learned a lot drawing this

>>3303371
Draw basic shapes. The face is shaped like a folded piece of paper. The torso is three oblong blocks, the middle block being narrowest. The legs and arms are jointed cylinders. By using shapes you will be able to measure the proportions of the whole body, because it's easy to see them in relation to each other.

>>3303371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>3303297
>>3303301
answer please

Can I get some general tips for drawing noses? I struggle a lot with even placing them.

>my IQ is 89

LOL

Half a year

Is it a faux pas to post your stuff on serveral websites at once (tumblr, instagram, deviantart, etc)?
Should I just stick to one or spam that shit everywhere?

>>3302602
I do not have a drawing pad, but my laptop supports styluses. Is it ok to use instead?

>>3303593
Sakimichan posts on no less than 8 websites and we all know how popular she is.

Super /beg/ here. I'm aware of the glaring issues but criticism would be appreciated.

>>3302926
got that where ? cgpeers ?
what a bunch of cunts for closing the tracker ffs what's the point

>>3302931
>loik vidyagem :DD
It's just an INTx pitfall t b h

>>3302688
>>3302718
>>3302704
You are completely correct about everything you said, anons, thanks. I'm gonna google all this local value shit because I literally have never even heard of it. Going back to the basics I, guess.
I drew pic related a few days before I drew the one I posted earlier. What do you think? I think I made some improvement

>>3303169
A+ Tier joke.
>>3303146
A+ Tier confusion

>>3303727
*pokes u with pointy nose*

Started drawing a week ago, please critique my drawing.

>>3303752
Go to bed Vincent.

feedback plox

How do you actually improve quickly, /beg/? I'm tired of my gains happening so slowly I can't notice them. I'm obviously not doing it right, but who's nobody gotten good will actually explain how they unlocked the ability to progress in a reasonable amount of time.

>>3303780
>who's nobody
strike that, reverse it

>>3303780
post art

>>3303739
OWO whats this?

>>3302890
Since nobody gave any feedback, I'll self-critique. If I missed anything please let me know.

The linework is wobbly and unconfident at most spots. It's clear I went over a couple lines multiple times. I could really be better with accuracy, but I guess that comes with mileage.

Proportions feel off on the bottom one, I am not sure what it is. Maybe the car is not tall enough compared to its width and length?

The perspective on the top car on first glance look okay, but the bottom is totally messed up. It looks like the car is on an incline because the perspective lines don't converge to the same horizon line (pic related). Also the perspective is off on the front of the car. Really what I need to do is pay more attention when placing lines.

This was supposed to be a study on how to rotate objects in three dimensional space, but it's quite clear I am lacking on fundamental perspective techniques. I should put in the effort to measure the perspective instead of eyeballing.

>>3303780
Draw a lot + study your weaknesses that you know will help you draw what you want to draw + artist studies + having fun.

>>3303287
No. It's a 3pt. Perspective.

>>3303780
improving in a way you can see is all about the mindset you keep, anon

first, draw something you really enjoy (because drawing shit you don't enjoy, all for the sake of "learning how," is pretty dumb)
really do your best, don't half-ass it for sympathy later
when you're done with the drawing, find a way to get away from it for like ~20 minutes
go for a jog, eat a snack, watch some TV
whatever you like
but don't think about the drawing during your jog
don't stare at the drawing while snacking
don't lazily redraw it with the TV on in the background
just take a short break for a bit without any art involved
after the break, look critically at what you drew earlier
figure out ALL of the parts of it you don't like (don't just say "uh, I hate the nose" and move on)
pick the whole damn thing apart
make an actual list of the things you don't like about it
write it all down on a post-it, stick it to the drawing
remember: before anyone else, YOU need to find the things YOU don't like about YOUR work
now, once you've got that list of things you don't like, pick ONE of them (and ONLY one, don't go overboard and stress yourself out)
and then study the living shit out of it from reference until you're sick of studying and referencing
now repeat these steps for noticeable art gainz

moral of the story: find the fun in fixing your own art
because the first thing you should be doing as an artist is getting good at what you want to get good at
and there's absolutely nothing wrong with drawing only the stuff you like drawing
but you also need to actively critique and improve your own art if you want to see mad gainz

>>3303816
>>3303825
Post your work.

>>3303828
Post your work.

>>3303832
>>3301753

>>3303842
Wait, who are you?
this guy?>>3303825

>>3303852
Post your work.

>>3303856
https://imgur.com/a/cQZTD
Post your work.

How can I make drawing more enjoyable?

>>3303859
my work >>3289823

>>3303878
Draw stuff you like,.

>>3303795
I'd recommend drawing some boxey cars with a ruler, to really dial in the perspective then add detail afterwards. Doing it freehand like that is rather hard :)

>>3303722
If you can afford it you need to use traditional painting medium. Infinitely layering brushstrokes like that is an unhealthy habit

Am I supposed to do the first drawabox fast or slow ?

Did this drawing a while back. Any tips on the shading?

very new to digital art. Thoughts?

>>3303991
Unnaturally sideways. Did you draw it from stomach to head or head to stomach?

>>3302707

>>3303992
from the head downwards. I can't seem to draw a straight line w/ my tablet yet, I probably just need to git gud.

Today's effort. Backs and hands, among other things, confuse me.

Janky quick sketches and something longer-ish.

>>3303175
8 Feb 2018 - Day 9

12 gestures, referenced
5 @ 1 min
5 @ 2 min
2 @ 5 min

I really needed that sleep. At any rate, today felt far more progressive. I ended up falling for the New Master's Academy meme. I make enough money to where it doesn't hurt my wallet, and the information their is great, but above all else, they have some great model libraries. While skimpy on quantity, they are consistently lit, fully nude, and are in challenging, sometimes wholly unnatural poses, which is a pretty good resource. Overall, I can definitely make out in plenty of areas where I'm improving, especially communication of form direction. My 1 minute poses were very week, but I eventually got to a point where I was warmed up.

I ended up doing the first video they have. I'm gonna probably draw some things that are actually interesting now, though.

>>3303999
Nive trips, anon.
Have you tried sketching out your drawing on paper, taking a picture, then tracing it? If you're better at traditional, I suggest doing that if you want to convert to digital.

>>3303997
nose what program do you use for digital stuff? also when are you going to finish a comic?

>>3304054
photoshop, though i have limited myself, hence, id be better off using paint tool sai

The comic, maybe 10 years ETA? The dis-optimistic version is that ill started towards in 30 years when im retired.

Trying to focus on painting with large brush strokes and strong shadow shapes.

>>3303309
if your still lurking can you show me the ref you used for your drawings?

>>3304037
I don't remember following this blog.

I know my style is pretty shit but I'm practicing a bit more on shading and angles. Any tips on doing a full front angle? I normally do a bit of a side angle.

>>3304149
before you get even fucking close to learning shading or angles, learn anatomy.
even a little basic anatomy will help you go miles

>>3304156
what if i wanna learn style first

>>3304161
your style doesnt matter until you get decent, then work on your style, anyways no two people draw exactly the same so you're practically always drawing in "your style"

>>3304149
The thing is, with the lineart style you have here, you can't really go for much shading. I'm getting a semi-Butch Hartmann vibe from it, in the sense that he uses clear, thick lines and basic shapes to define his characters. At that level, you've simplified your character to the point where shading is moot.

>>3304166
Wasn't sure how to shade this anyway lol. Anything on how to work angles?

>>3304172
if you learn anatomy your angles will be a lot better

>>3304177
Alright, thanks man.

>>3304030
whats your oil and canvas texture brushes

How to get used with tablet?It is just git gut or is there something else i'm missing?

>>3304258
find the right tool to work with. i never felt very comfortable with drawing digitally but i found the right "pencil" to use today and it made a world of difference. now i feel like my digital sketches are similar to my trad ones.

>>3304261
what program/brush do you use?

>>3304273
csp, rough pencil. no adjustments cause im kinda scared ill mess stuff up or something. my traditional sketches look like this, so using the mechanical pencil brush in csp just felt weird before.

>>3304273
also im not sure if this is relevant but i use this tablet:
https://www.huiontablet.com/huion-wh1409.html
for me, it's a bit frustrating that i don't have something that's similar to using the side of a pencil.

>>3304273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2g5qbvb7F4

>>3303960
I was thinking of buying black and white acrylics, but theyre almost 5 euros each. How long would a large tube last if I paint 5 hours every day?

>>3304313
im gonna give you a different opinion and say instead of buying paint and learn to paint traditionally, you need better knowledge of the planes of the head. just knowing how to use strokes would be useless if you don't actually know where to put them imo.

>>3304120
This is the one I had problems with.

Finally getting to work on this again after a whole fuckin week. Really trying to flesh out the left side right now but it's still a song I'm playing by ear. Thoughts? Tips?

is this coming okay?

>>3304378
Same face, same angle, same rendering, different year. Do you find this fun?

>>3304378
no. ears are bent like that, and you're using a hard brush when it's clear you don't have good control over it.

>>3304378
ref?

>>3304380
>>3304381
>how is this coming along means its 100% complete
>>3304381
>you're using a hard brush
what am i supposed to be using. its sloppy in some areas sure and yeah i haven't put too much effort into the ears
>>3304380
>Same face, same angle
just trying to make a face that doesnt look like shit sorry
>same rendering
its greyscale
>different year
wrong.
>Do you find this fun?
its okay

surely its an improvement over this. and i still have a bit to do?

>>3304383
100% imagination.

>>3304385
Mate, you need to focus on studying how human faces are constructed before trying to render one. Every facial feature is facing a different angle.

Learn the masses that make up the human head so that you'll be able to understand how to shade and render them in 3d space. If you neglect this fundamental part of drawing, you're just going to end up with really really shiny turds.

>>3304387
>Mate
why are you posting this to the older more shitty one

>>3304389
They're both shit anon.
Study more.

>>3304390
kek fuck off. the top one is passable, the bottom one is utter dog shit.

>>3304389
Because the same lack of knowledge can be found in the more recent one. They are both rife with symbol drawing and the facial features are flat and completely out of proportion.

But the most damaging thing for your growth is an inability to take criticism. I'm trying to help you. Mate.

>>3304391
What do you think is better in the top one?

>>3304391
The top one is barely passable. Seems you're willing to settle for mediocrity.

>>3304394
better way to put is whats wrong with the bottom one that the top is lacking
>hair bun doesnt actually make since considering its supposed to viewed looking up
>hair in front of face feels unnatural
>shit nose drawing/construction
>nose is a bit too short to be loomis correct even considering the angle

overall just glancing at both the top the strikes as softer and more pleasant.

>>3304396
who said anything about settling. i posted my most recent thing im working and my stalker said "same shit different year" so i posted an obviously worse study as a comparison

>>3304393
honestly this symbol drawing thing is just a meme at this point. i see PLENTY of good looking painting with even less detail in the eyes and such. i agree with the flat/proportion (the eyes are slightly larger than they should be, probably just a compensation for my tendencies to draw them too small and fixing later)

>>3304399
>i see PLENTY of good looking painting
Post what you consider a "good looking painting".

>>3304399
Look man, I'm just here to provide information. It's your choice to use it to your advantage.

>>3304404
https://gabbyd70.deviantart.com/

>>3304405
well thanks

>>3304399
>honestly this symbol drawing thing is just a meme at this point. i see PLENTY of good looking painting with even less detail in the eyes and such.
You don't sound like you actually know what symbol drawing is.

>>3304415
is >>3304406
symbol drawing?

>>3304419
What do you think?

>>3304246
greg rutsowski
get his gumroad tutorial on how to draw traditional style in PS

>>3304422
cant be a bad thing if thats symbol drawing

why does it say that Drawabox is controversial?

>>3304523
it's incomplete nonsense

critique?

>>3302602

>>3304273
>>3304275
thanks!

did this charcoal exercise in drawing 1 class. ive nbeen told this isn't bad, but I feel like its shit. before the crabs murder me, what can I fix?

>tfw one girl said I did better because she apparently drew a blobby dark face by mistake instead

>>3304545
The sticky is your friend.

>mfw reading loomis and struggling to draw a 3d ball

>>3304607
it's okay anon you can do it

so here's the thing, I've been doing some practice drawing with a mouse, I know I'm handicapping myself and I even have an old wacom, but there's something I really like about drawing with a mouse. My question is, like, is there anything worthwhile here? I like this little sketch collection and I'd like to know where I need to improve/if I'm wasting my time

rip me a new asshole

>>3304668
Reminds me of OFF (by Mortis Ghost)

>>3304674
oh fuck I wanna play this. too bad i'm stuck with this stinkin mac

>>3304607
You should always eye ellipses, but sometimes making a geometric proof helps for me do this.

Measure a line from the center of a circle at the angle you want it.

In the picture the circle is pointed 45 degrees away from the viewer.

The line straight down marks the edges of your ellipse.

this any good?

>>3304673
You're on the right track. Keep studying.

How can I get the neck of the femur to look right?

There's frontal light, so the cast shadow of the head lands on the neck, but it absolutely doesn't look like that right now.

Here's some other recent stuff:
https://imgur.com/a/OVMxm

>>3304709
That hand is fucked yo
Imagine the fingers as perspective boxes and you'll see how it doesn't add up. This also helps to get it right, imagine each segment/phalanx as a box. In relation to the shape of the body of the hand the finger boxes can be flexed (and tilted to some extent) but they can never be rotated or twisted.

Is this true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyde3xlR448

>>3304607
keep fighting the good fight

>>3304595
I like the face

hat looks flat
wtf is going on with the neck, it's flat
and the cloths in the collar area aren't readable, don't really know what's happening there
there is no focal point
lighting seems inconsistent, you got some hard shadows that indicate it coming from the top left but if that's the case there are a bunch of softer shadows missing

>>3304571
it's good
Personally I prefer it with less erasing, just make a new layer and set the sketchy one to low opacity

>>3304378
>>3304385
I'd advise you to go with just line art for a bit, no rendering. Make sure to construct the heads, think in 3D, loomis loomis loomis.

>>3304373
I'd lower the contrast and/or brightness on the background light. That is if you want the focus to be on the light in his hand.

>>3304030
Looks nice
Can't really tell what the ground is supposed to be, not sure if intentional.
You could also up the contrast a bit, excuse the shitty edit.

>>3304709
You have talented my dude. Give me the full head and ill try a red.

>>3304000
keep it up

>>3303997
>>3303991
>>3303973
>>3303752
>>3303660
>>3303579
You have to construct and think in 3D shapes. loomis, sticky, etc. At least that's the approach if you want to improve.

>>3303373
Looks fine to me
There are a few anatomy mistakes. The lower part of the upper arm shouldn't get so thin toward the elbow. The trapezius is a bit too large

Maybe I'm just stupid, but how do I divide a line in 7 equal parts?

>>3304820
With no ruler, btw

>>3304819
post yer work retard

>circles always come out as ovals

Guess I should just quit...

>>3304114
messed around with it some more.

My Wacom Intuos is doing something weird. When I click the side button on the pen it right clicks, even though I have disabled both buttons on the pen. I guess there's some setting in windows too that I need to disable, but I can't find it. Anyone have any hints?

>>3304858
Hit the Windows key
Search for pen settings
Disable the problem

>>3304861
Everything under "Pen shortcuts" is set to "Nothing".

Are any tablets actually decent for drawing? I've heard that the Surface Pro isn't too bad, but it's kind of pricey. I'd like something that I could carry around and digitally draw on anywhere. It doesn't have to be capable of amazing production quality work or anything.

>>3304927

Save your money. If you're /beg/ tier, buying a $1500 tablet to get yourself to draw more would be a waste. Just find a ball point pen that you really like or some pencils and buy a $6-$12 sketchpad.

I know I fucked the mouth up. I was told that I should be a lot more loose when I start instead of trying to go straight to the finished product. Criticize me, /beg/.

>>3304962
this
>>3304927
if you really want a tablet buy a cheap wacom or other brand for like 50 bucks, don't start with an expensive tablet.

>>3304967
hair is real fucky, looks like you're drawing what you think it should look like rather than what's actually in the reference. try drawing with the reference upside down to stop your brain from automatically saying "this is how I think it should look"

>>3304971
>if you really want a tablet buy a cheap wacom or other brand for like 50 bucks, don't start with an expensive tablet.

That's a completely different kind of tablet from what he's talking about.

>>3304978
yeah and it's a waste to buy a fancy portable cintiq or surface pro if he's a beginner. there's literally no point when he can just carry around a sketch book and get the same result like the other anon said

>>3304984
And that has what to do with me pointing out that a drawing tablet for a PC is a completely separate concept from a mobile tablet? No need to get so frustrated just because you have a poor grasp of english.

>>3304986
either way it's a waste of money, idgaf what kind of tablet he means. a beginner spending $500+ on any kind of art supplies is a waste and i'm always going to advise against it, even if it means recommending a different product.

>>3304595
Thick outlines around everything look very amateurish. Also misplaced features, loomis can help you

>>3304971
I haven't gotten around to trying to study hair. I'm a third of the way into Keys to Drawing. It's everything else (lips excluded) alright or is it still a symbol drawing?

>>3304778
>>3305009
we was doing this upside down, with a limited amount of time to work with, most of all we had to do this portrait the way my teacher WANTED us to do it. I wouldn't have been able to draw a peoper frame and loomis head as most people usually would do (or perhaps i didn't size things up visually correctly). I do practice loomis actually, i fact I'm currently rereading figure drawing for all its worth.

its a shame my drawing course is ending next week, i wanted to learn my charcoal from my professor

>>3305038
forget, heres the pic we had to copy it from upside down while drawing a 4 squares on it. i thought you guys would recognize the Courbet picture

I went back to this and fix more issues, after some figure drawing I realize about how messy it was and tried to be clear. Strokes that matter.
I will need to use some references
Mis still studying the planes of the face. Is curious how I forgot some stuff.
Can’t find references for the face thou
I will upload more figure drawings in a minute.
Any suggestion will be appreciated

>>3305061
proportions, anon. the navel to the crouch is one head unit. her shoulder/deltoid is a bit small too.

>>3305061
Here we go

I notice the face proportions are a little wrong
I think is because I didn’t make the sketch first. Indirectly painted. This is distractions. Just pros can paint and control everything are suppose.
My bad

Here I have more figures, I can see improvements but still don’t like it it all. I will make two values simplification on shadows later.

total beginner to digital art, how should i be approaching colors? im using preset palettes atm. furthermore, are standard brushes ok?

>>3305071
Hahah you are right when painting everything just goes wrong.
Forgive sensei villpu

>>3305071
It’s curious you know? I had the feeling of that but I’m like afraid to push the proportions, like I don’t know.

what is the best book or online course specifically for drawing faces? it simply cannot be done

>>3305085
What are you trying to do?

Copy him exactly? You can practice block in.

Reference? You just keep practicing loomis, beside each loomis draw a box with the angle of the face, this helps to keep the perspective.

>>3303597
Give it a try

>>3305072
Looking good, just keep studying. You're on the right track.

Tried to study water and sketch the eyes of people around me.

I drew the Picasso Stravinsky guy on the ic tutorial. Just started my practice today. How's it look?

>>3305167
Anon, did you make sure to not flip the page right side-up when you were working on it?

>>3305169
Yeah i did, I just took a picture of it like that, my bad.

But I did work on it upside down

Everyone says my drawings are bad

>>3305173
It looks like you are missing a lot of lines and details. Maybe you should try again, but pay more attention to the lines this time - no need to rush, and do try to make the lines look accurate. Make sure it's upside-down again. If you don't want to work on it again, try another black-and-white picture with only lineart, and flip it upside-down and try to make it as accurate as possible. Keep it up!

>>3305179
Coolio, thanks for the tips anon.

>>3305183
No problem. Don't give up, that's the most important part of learning a new skill.

>>3305174
You suffer from unaesthetic symbol drawing. Read "Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain" until you feel that you have rid yourself from it and move on to other books, like Loomis's Fun With a Pencil and Keys to Drawing.

I've been trying my hand at watercolor but halfway through this one accidentally mucked it up bad, gonna try again some other time.

>>3305191
i think you mucked up before you laid any color down

>>3305203
It was still fun :)

>>3305203
how about i muck up your mom

What is unaesthetic symbol drawing???? Someone please tell me?

>>3305211
You know how when you finally know and understand the rules of drawing, you can break them?
Anime and other artworks use "aesthetic symbol drawing", meaning it's symbol drawing that makes sense and looks good.
That anon has symbol drawing that does not show any regard for making it look good, and thus it is unaesthetic.
You could've just (You)d me.

>>3305211
shut the fuck up retard holy shit

>>3305211
>doesn't know what that is
ngmi

>>3302850

Not sure if trolling or legit. You are essentially symbol drawing. Drawing what your mind perceives the image to be in simple, quick, efficient shapes and forms rather than seeing or understanding the image and it's finer details. Firstly, the fur, your image is just a rough symbolic outline of the actual figure. Secondly, internal figure details, the eye, nose, ear fluff, paws, mouth, the internal fluff/fur. Thirdly, the background which is rough and jaded with pits and various other lines and heavily textured and detailed. Try redrawing it and reposting it if you want, or move onto grinding irl "still lifes" as that would be your best for learning, understanding and focusing on details.

>>3303103

>The "special" founding fathers of America and their true story revealed.

>>3303660

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fRuoMIfpw

I am so sorry.

>>3305167
Here again. How's this?

>>3305269
You are rushing too much. Take your time and draw every single line and detail as accurately as you can.

>>3305273
Thank you.

Thinking of picking up a cheap drafting table since I don't really have any good surfaces to draw on. Are they worth it for drawing? I hate hunching over my desk when I draw, so the inclining surface seems like it'd be nice.

>>3305277
I recommend you try Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and/or Keys to Drawing. If you will use the first one, don't mind the materials too much, just use your power of observation to draw without using symbols.

>>3304373
This is the finished version. The goal was to force myself to start thinking about lighting and it's effects on color as well as trying to learn to render.

This is also the first time I've painted without an underlying sketch or anything. I saw a lot of artists kinda discovering the painting as they go and always found the concept interesting.

>>3305329
Great job. I'm a complete beginner though, so this may not mean much, but I really like the coloring and the setting. I don't see any glaring issues either.
What did you use to start drawing? I'm struggling with how to start learning the fundamentals with so many books.

>Learning the fundies and not just drawing /cutedragons/
That's why you plebs are stuck in /beg/.

>>3305334
Well, when I really started taking art seriously about 2 or 3 years ago, I started with loose leaf paper and sketchbooks. I've always "attempted" digital art though. Only recently did it start looking decent.

My best advice is to draw for fun as much as possible but try to implement the concepts you learn from the books. It's not about the exercises themselves, it's how you apply them to your drawings that helps you learn.

Also, be a sponge. Any time you're not sure about how to do something or how something works, google it, ask around, anything really. Stick with the books but do not be afraid to watch a shit ton of art youtubers as well.

>>3305350
That's a pretty dope dragon mate. Is this one here cute enough to make it? He's a bit rough around the edges.

It kind of seems like it's easier to paint than to draw. At least, drawing with pen. It's like, it can be difficult to convey form using nothing but lines or something. It's a lot easier to just manipulate value directly when painting.

>>3305354
You've gotta make the eyes unrealistically proportioned, almost like they're bulging right out of their head. And your dragon isn't even smiling. Are you even trying, man?!

I drew a mans profile at Wendy’s today

how many years do i need to practice before i can draw my own manga

>>3305379
15

>>3305380
wat

ill be dead by then

>>3305379
Just 1.
But you have to practice really, really hard, and you have to do it everyday.
I believe in you.

>>3305382
Should've started when you were 5 like the rest of us, old man

always feel bad posting in a thread that about 2 die ;-;

>>3304751
tnx for the advise dawg, probs gonna need to do alot more studies on hand to git gut.

>>3304813
bls.

still need to learn how to do hair and costume, ect.

Did my first color study here, also used digital for the first time as well.
I wasnt too worried about proportion as I said it was a color study.
Anyone know why it looks so blurry or is that just the nature of watercolor.
Any Critiques very welcome and appreciated.

>>3305403
>pic related is the reference

>>3305403
You did this in digital... Why would you lie about that?

Also you arent even ready for digital, you cant even draw a sphere without literally symbol drawing it (See: red, blue, yellow, green, and purple balls)
The colors and value also suck literally nothing is the same color as the reference.

Please, please start working in greyscale on a traditional medium...

>>3305410
kys crab

One of my recent works. My character is a non human creature (obviously) but I would really appreciate some constructive criticism. Thanks.

exercises to become less scribbly? I feel like the more I learn about construction/anatomy the more backwards I go. I drew way way better stuff when I was ignorant.

I'm thinking more finished pieces? Pencil and paper?

Am I doing this right? I shat out a lot of gesture drawings and now I'm going through Hampton's book, I read some and practiced boxing in the ribcage and pelvis with some landmarks. I'm stupid as hell, is this how you study from the book or art books in general?

>>3305466
i started out learning with gestures before learning construction and stuff. imo reading a lot of fig drawing books, attempting to draw from imagination with each method, studying muscly dudes, and how other artists construct eventually gives you a weird and cobbled together method that works for you.

by the way, gesture spines can pretty much be any curve or whatever, but real spines DON'T curve that much and the hips don't twist as much as you think either. for some reason everyone tells me they already knew that, but i only recently found out that you can't even make a 45 deg angle with the curve of the spine!

>>3305473
Yeah I'm just super confused, I used Proko for gesture and it clicked, and I moved to Hampton because I like the whole idea of construction and out of curiosity, and I'm struggling on how to digest this book.

>>3305487
i wanted to draw cute anime girls too so i studied 0033 and krenz's stuff.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NrPNJ
his way of using a box to construct is super weird for me but i've been using it for recent figure studies and i feel like i learned something? i dunno, but maybe this helps you.

>>3305164
Sketching people around you is a bad idea for detailed things like eyes, at least at your level. How are you possibly close enough to have it be feasible? Added to the fact that the people are going to move around. That problem is probably partly why all these eyes are symbol drawn. Draw from a close up picture or better yet just a picture of an eye. The eye does not look like an almond.

The heads are haphazard and nonsensical. You're drawing egg heads with lines without really understanding what the lines are. For heads, look at Loomis' method.

If you want to get a basic rundown of the eye, watch Proko's video on it.

Good luck.

>>3305432
The head and face aren't bad, but that body.... Look at his right shoulder and arm. In addition to just improper anatomy, the perspective is completely wrong. It's essentially front view while the rest of him is going for 3/4. Look at the little dip in his neckline as reference. Left of that is front view, right of that is 3/4.

>>3305403
Jonathan hardesty course? Well go back and get values and proportions right before you start on color. Rookie mistake

>>3305506
You're right, thanks for the tips. I just scribbled those "heads" without thinking and realized they looked wrong, but I just left them in to compare to when I actually start getting serious.
I'm going to try out Proko, thanks.

>>3305508
not that guy but i suggest trying to study what you dont normally draw vs what you're in the process of studying when just sketching random people from life. esp for stuff like clothing folds or something, just doing a quick doodle of someone's shirt might get you to learn something you wouldn't expect.

>>3305511
Yeah, it's why I tried to study water.
I'll keep this in mind, thank you.

>>3305512
also personally i feel like i don't have the time to capture stuff "correctly" on a subway or something, so i just use whatever tools without caring much. one thing i noticed with a brush pen is that you can just put the point onto the page and leave your hand, the bus or subway or whatever will just give you a texture to work with without you doing much.

>>3305519
>>3305519
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>>3305519
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>>3305521
I don't really have a tablet, so I'm stuck with pen and paper for now. But I'll think of that when I do get one.

>>3305506
Thanks man

>>3305259
but I broke the form down into simple shapes and constructed from there
as for the bg, that wasn't something I was gonna draw as it is.
You keep commenting on the fur but looking at other cartoon animals you don't see that shit there either so idk.

Trying to get better at art read the sticky and draw the chair guy I was hoping to know where to to start from here and what I need work on the most based off this drawing

woo not bad i reckon. going to 3 hours of life drawing this afternoon, forgotten what other exercise i can try during except for gesture and the one where you fill the form from the inside out

>>3303309
>>3302669
>>3302668
Like you work,want to see moar.