/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

blessed dis thread

When sketching I scribble a lot. It helps me "feel the form", but it looks disgusting. If I take something beyond a sketch I clean it up obviously.

A comish for a bud o' mine

Tell me why its shit plz

>>3288377
>flip canvas
>literally everything is leaning in one direction

Why
Why does this happen every time, digital or traditional

>>3288451

>>3288437
The eyes don't really look like they match the style of the rest of the body, but maybe because its not colored. The rest of the body looks more finessed and detailed, the eyes look like they're from that Danny Phantom cartoon. I would change them. but meh maybe its a 'ur style'

Unfinished

>>3288453
Yeah I was going for a more anime body pillow feel...since that's what it's gonna be printed on heh

Idk dyou think I made the body too detailed?

Thx for the critique m8

help me

>>3288524
Help yourself, you seem to be doing just fine.

Also: Blog?

>>3288546
>>3288524
i like these

>>3288437
bellybutton looks odd. if that thing underneath is meant to be an outline of a pucker on a flat stomach, move it closer to the hole. see pic

check proportions. righht knee is too low

despite being a body pillow, she doesn't look much like she's lying down except her legs.

judging by the angle of that magic wand thing, her left leg is flat? why

Any tips on how to draw more accurate portraits? I have this reoccurring problem of always drawing faces skewed to one side, or drawing one side of a face but not the other.

Dumped too much time, over a year on and off, into this but it's almost finished (first time trying to digital-paint something like this). Need someone from outside of my family to tell me how it looks. I think at the end, it looks a bit confusing. What do you think?

Currently learning anatomy and figure drawing, it's a tough grind but slowly pays off. Goal is to draw characters well enough for a graphic novel or so.

Hey guise. I'm thinking of applying to some of the mobile game companies in my country because I'm fucking broke. I don't normally do cartoony shit so doing shit like this feels kind of cynical. I haven't started working on the BG yet and I think I need to clean him up some more. I think I'm gonna use a lot of pen/lasso+gradients. Gimme sum feedback.

>>3288751
The rem light on the top half looks more like a contour line

>>3288590
a year for this, and it looks like shit.

>>3288772

You're right. I need to be more selective with that stuff. I'm probably going to let the BG dictate where I put my rim lights instead of how they'd fall on my character if he were a 3D-model to get some light against dark contrast. Need to figure out that background first though.

>>3288590

I think you need to darken the shadows on the left to match the values on the right. Also you need to push the buildings in the back away to add more dimension. Maybe with some fog, softening the lines or lighter/cooler colours.

I like the style of the clouds in the background. Would be cool if you incorporated that style more in the foreground. I can see the potential in it.

>>3288524
the only thing "wrong" is the pinky placement and the arm looking a little bit too long, but they don't really take away from the piece at all

Mucha's one of my fav artists. First time doing one of these.

>>3288751
really good rendering overall, the rim light is believable on the skin but not on the armor. you should treat them as totally different surfaces. skin has subsurface scattering which gives it a strong rim light when backlit
design wise his chest is the weakest point. its just a big sphere with a belt across it. either give him more unique anatomy or add some extra clothing for interest.
also if he's leaning forward i would put his whole chest further back in shadow

>>3288835

Really great points! I haven't really started working on the armor. I'd imagine it would catch some super harsh and sexy whites from the strong light and blues from the environment. I'm probably going to do the SSS last. Obviously the ears are where we're going to see most of it.

>either give him more unique anatomy or add some extra clothing for interest.

Since this is just a cynical: "Hey, I can make generic mobile game art. Please give me money"- type of thing I think I'm probably going to go with the extra clothing suggeestion because it's going to take me less time. Maybe I'll give him some sort of medieval vest? Hadn't thought of that so thanks for pointing it out.

Here's my progress since the last post. Haven't been able to work on him a lot though. Just some minute details and shit.

So?

So

Old

Expose me.

>>3288877

God awful

>>3288883

y tho?

>>3288377
making this shit, but the head and legs don't convince me

Do I have what it takes to surpass Illastrat and Brian?

In all seriousness, I got carried away and forgot to follow the forms of the original sketch. CC appreciated.

wip

>>3288914
You're already better than them in that at least your stuff is bearable to look at.
You're just as bad as them in that you're constantly ready to be defensive towards any critique you're given and your lack of humility and openness is and will continue to hold you back.

my dungeon

Posted this on the sketchbook thread but I really want feedback

>>3289005
Are you using Hampton's methods for head construction or an amalgamation of multiple methods?

>>3288524
looks cool m8. Only things - pinky is fucked jusy hold your hand on the mirror at that angle and I'm unsure what's going on inside the mouth/lower left jaw. looks fuly sik tho fella

>>3289026
Thanks man, but I'm not sure what you mean by pinky, I never drew a hand?

>>3289037
bwahh? I see a hand in your drawing. it's like, one of the main parts.

>>3289037
what the fuk's that thing holding the glass then ya bloody clown?

I'm a little worried about the legs.

>>3288799
Thanks. I already tried to push back the further away buildings by blue-shifting those parts but will try to force it a little bit more. It's a bit late to change the style of some parts, maybe for the next one. Definitely will use what I've learned from doing this.

>>3288773
>a year for this
yeah, I guess that's what I get for wanting to detail absolutely everything, which by now I know I probably shouldn't.

Can someone explain to me the different practical applications of blending layers?
>Multiply
>Colour/linear burn
>Overlay
>Screen
like, how would you use these when rendering something?

i've drawn a Pepe. excuse me

My most recent one, I need to practise a lot more but I feel too lazy today hu
If you also have any advice to help me to improve o/

>>3289005
I think it looks really good, even the one who's screaming it's very dynamic !

>>3288828
The profile looks a bit weird, but for the rest it's good I think

>>3289130

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsukMXtEYFQ

Watch this. How you use them is up to you to figure out.

>>3288828
if it's the pixar character, there's not a lot of resemblence, even in a more realistic style

crit please. i'm can't facial proportions.

>>3288546
these are nice, what type of fish is it?

>>3288828

You should have focused more on getting her side profile right. All the nice decoration in the world won't make your image look god if her face is busted...

>>3289572

>god

Meant to say *dog obviously.

>>3289511

Doesn't look like you're going for realistic facial proportions. Are you working from reference? Is this supposed to be cartoony or what?

>>3288953
I know this is bait but proof?

Here my stuff.
Made it by the traditional way (pencil and paper)
The color is digital.

>>3289578
A good start! Good construction and a subtle but clear line of action is present. Would love to see you clean it up more... by inking it digitally perhaps?

Something I would suggest is that since I'm personally not a fan of the whole solid shine dot skin thing, try using a different color than white for highlights on the skin. (actually, looking closer it's not WHITE white, but maybe a color that's not so jarringly different value contrast with the skin...) Color pick the skin and just pick a slightly more subtle value change. I'd suggest one with a slight leaning in the warmer range since light is often warm.

Also, just a suggestion for you to try, since your overall palette is warm--try shading with some cool color tones instead of warm to build that nice color contrast. That color theory yanno.

Can anyone help me with this? This is a rough sketch based on a previous one I did from imagination, I used a ref for the legs with this one. I want to know if someone can point out anatomical issues with it, something that looks wonky, not so much proportions (although these are welcomed) but things not being logical, anatomically impossible etc... If nothing else, tell me if I got the breasts okay, they are supposed to be a little squished by the gun, don't have a lot of practice with these kinds of stuff.

I know the rifle is shit, its just a placeholder, the full piece will get more attention to detail.

Thanks.

>>3289682
an overall nice illustration regarding rendering and contrast. i would suggest to push this further by adding more visual storytelling elements... Like, you've captured my interest enough that it's a cool-creepy drawing and it kinda makes me wanna know more context, but it lacks to provide any. Like did he just kill something? Is he looking for something? Is he threatening the viewer? I'm not really getting any answers to these other than it's a creepy goblin dude standing in a cave(?)

That is, if you WANT to bother doing more with this drawing lol but other than that it's cool. something to consider for future illustrations at least

>>3289574
It's not bait. I've given you advice and seen others give you advice and you're defensive every time. Yesterday you asked for advice on perspective on your bear or dog guy or whatever grabbing his junk. Someone told you it was off and you said you didn't know how it could be off since you were using a reference. One glance in the beginner thread should tell anybody that having a reference doesn't mean your drawing won't be flawed. It takes time and training to look at it more objectively and translate it accurately.
It would benefit you to absorb critique and reflect on its merits without feeling a need to defend every drawing. Coddling each piece you work on will keep you from accepting and correcting your weaknesses. Mileage is everything in drawing, a certain detachment and ability to redraw or move on is good for it, and feeling less pressured generally leads to better pieces.

>>3289699
kind of hard to critique art at this stage, anon. I can tell you that the shoulders are a bit too hunched up for her pose though. bring em down and relax em a little. goes without saying as you bring down the shoulders, adjust the arm positions as needed too.

>>3289713
Alright, if we're referring to that post, I don't see how this is considered a valid critique. I mentioned how I didn't understand how the perspective could be off (outside the head) because I didn't betray much from the ref in that aspect. No, I'm not rejecting the idea that the overall perspective was flawed, but that anon honestly did not point me in any direction. I also don't understand why people don't think I take critique. I actually started saving the critiques I get starting last week since I greatly value them. Why else would I post on this god forsaken site?

Also see here >>3276275

>inb4 lmao sperg much?

>>3288751
The belt is bothering me, it looks like if it was "painted" on his skin, not sure if you get what i mean, it just doesn't look like if it was really a belt there.
I think the perspective on the belt's buckle might be off too.
Other than that i really really like it

>>3289573
it's one of my first paintings that's not a photostudy, so no reference. i guess cartoony? something that looks good at least.

>>3289699
maybe make the torso shorter? her waist looks tense despite her relaxed cross leg pose

>>3289732
Took your advice and lowered them (slightly) and I think its better, thanks.
>>3289744
It's not really supposed to be that relaxed (torso), I imagined her back a little stretched (she's leaning back a bit and extending her spine) to look at the rifle, I was trying to give the pose an inquisitive feel, if that makes sense.

Thanks lads.

>>3289744

Okay... If you're not going to use photos as reference I think you should look at some artists who do this kind of work (stylized realistic females). Look at art from people like Samuel Youn, Artgerm, or even Sinix/Sycra. Shit like this isn't my specialty so I bet somebody could give you some better examples.

Even if you're doing a stylized thing I think you should be comparing your thing to something. Doesn't mean you have to copy their styles or anything but look at the kinds of proportions they use in their work and try to figure out what pleases your eye and what you want to use.

I'm >>3288859 and I'm completely out of my element here (I don't do cartoony stuff) and I can't even look at actual, straight reference here so I pulled up a bunch of Blizzard/Clash of Clans style shit and I'm vaguely basing my thing around that aesthetic.

I can't say much about your facial proportoins at this stage except that they're kind of flawed but your brush work looks nice. You'd need to give her a proper nose and a more defined mouth so we could really start to analyze her proportions. The round eyes are an appealing idea and you could incorporate those into your final piece.

>>3289739
As I said, reflect on the merits of a critique without responding defensively. Whether you think it's a good critique or a bad one, say "thanks I'll keep that in mind" and decide whether or not you'll use it. If you think they're just trolling don't reply at all.
The trend I see with you now is that you have some idea you're trying to do but don't know how to so you come to ask for advice, but when given advice you argue with the critiquer because what they say doesn't match your understanding, even though that's to be expected - if it matched what you knew then you'd already know what they're telling you to fix and you wouldn't have made the mistake in the first place.
Anyway I've explained the reasoning behind my assessment, why I think people have the impression you don't accept critique and what I think you should do about it, and that's as much as I'll invest in it. It's up to you to implement it, or not.

>>3289778
That's more than fair.

>>3289778

This! It's nice to see there are someone who gets it.

Another thing that grinds my gears is people who don't say anything about what they're trying to do with a piece.

It's really hard to crit a piece if it's just a random scrible of a naked chick with wings and the message attached to is:

"Plz crit my art. Am I gonna make it?"

Who fucking knows! Are you trying to become an illustrator or a concept artist for example? Is it a study? Is it from reference? Do you want me to crit it as a character design or an anatomy study? Are you going to get rid of the line work? What the are your goals with this piece? If the answer to this question is "Idunno lol" you need to re-evaluate what you're doing and why you're doing it.

>>3289706
thanks for the feedback!

>>3289857

I think you should either push the anatomy a little more or make the head a bit smaller. Now it just looks like a normal person with a huge troll costume head on. I'd recommend on doing both since the head is absolutely too large. Maybe have his hands be bigger too.

first time ever using photoshop
portrait
what do you think?

>>3289876
a good start! nice color choices so far. Using a photo ref im assuming? not much to comment on though because it's not finished. Finish it and we'll see! Do your best!

>>3289889
i don't know ho far in the details to push it, i tried to add some but i fucked up great time and hat to serch my history in order to recover a decent version

>>3289901
For a first time photoshop attempt, you're at a decent scale of details. I would suggest solidfying and cleaning up your edges since they're a bit fuzzy, especially finessing the details around and on the nose. Add/block in the hair/bust if you can just so it doesnt seem too unusual lol

When you tried to add more details, what didn't you like about it/what do you think wasn't working for your drawing?

>>3289907
i didn't like how the lines stood up, i tried bluring and smudging and ended up with some sorta of wiki how illustration

>>3289911
are you saying you were you trying to add lineart? I think lineless would personally benefit this drawing instead. Here's a method: try taking a hard edged brush, pick an "outside" color (in this case, the blue of the BG), and "shave away" at the edges of the drawing of the face to clean it so it doesnt look so fuzzy. I'm assuming you're "painting" this on a single layer.

>>3289922
this could also apply to the inner details of the face too. basically lots of color picking and cleaning up around the edges of features

>>3289922
nah multilayer, it's my first time with photoshop but i use illustrator almost every day, i didn't meant line art, i meant hard edges and light spots

>>3289927
i think, stylistically, it could pass off to be fine so far. I dont know what else to tell you because it's not finished. most details I'd reccomend are more for final touches, but I can't really say because i don't know for sure until it's done.

Also, just to consider, remember to balance out your work when you're doing an illustration--you wouldn't want a well rendered face and then "unfinished" hair/bust (unless that's your artistic choice, but that's another conversation for later lol)

>>3289774
ahh, thank you. i wanted to see if i could make something up out of my head, but discounting ref entirely was probably silly.

also appreciate that you said things you liked, felt nice desu

also have you seen sam nielsen's blog? it has a lot of that cartoony stuff in it, might be worth a look
artsammich . blogspot co uk

How are my values looking so far

>>3289949
no problem, that's what constructive critique is all about lol you say what works but also what doesn't. Good luck on finishing the rest, bud.

Also, thanks for the recommendation, pretty neat stuff! Lemme share one you might like to make it even, haha. https://www.instagram.com/nicholaskole/ Fun, dynamic artwork with beautiful colors.

>>3289974
it's getting there. I'm having a hard time discerning where the light source is unless I really look for it. You need to place your highlights and darkest darks, do it sparingly though so it's not too jarring though, of course.

>>3289949

I haven't seen this but man this blog is a great resource for the kind of shit I'm trying to do now. Thanks!

I've been looking at some of Peter Stapleton's (pic related) YouTube tutorials and he's another bloke who seems to have a great grasp on painting 3D-looking forms on cartoony characters. Doing cartoony stuff always felt kind of dirty to me but I'm slowly getting over it. I don't think I'm ever going to like looking at pieces made in this style though. It's just not my cup of tea but I need to get some work so... Yeah.

It's fucking killing me that every time I learn a new trick there are 10 new styles or techniques I want to learn and 10 000 people who can do that shit better than me. Painting iz hard bro.

>>3289974

Not terribly bad. His whole head is too narrow and the nose is too small though. You might want to go in with some lines to fix that stuff before thinking about the values. Look at some real people for reference.

portrait guy at it again, just started but i think im getting somewhere
pls rate

>>3289974

Here's my 10 minute over painting. Your image has more expression and more unique facial features but that's not what I'm trying to fix here. I think the cheek bones are overly emphasized in your image. They don't look like that in real life even if you're skinny. His head is too narrow and long which fucks with the ear placement. You don't need to have that moustache stubble yet. Just focus on the anatomy. Your nose was all kinds of fucked up and too small so I tried to fix that. There's also an unrealistically long gap between his nose and mouth.

I think you could save time by doing some proper line art before even going into values. When you actually do go in with values you might want to show some more range even at the start. Your values are stuck between 40-80. It's a good idea if you're working in traditional but you're working digitally so you can tweak that shit later!

I don't know if he was supposed to be super stylized in your original images. If that's the case, you should have said so. If he's super evil you might want to make the eyes smaller.

Anyways. This looks nice and you seem to know your shit. I hope I don't sound too harsh...

drawing at work

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>>3290027
Thanks for all the help guys. Yeah the thing I was trying to do was getting a better hand at painting values with what I had learnt so far and ended up squashing his head and didnt notice. The character I had used was actually one from a game (League of legends reworked swain) which is probably why he looked so stylized and not like an actual person from real life.
But all in all I really appreciate the feedback.

>>3289876

Thumbnail looks nice but the image is kind of fuzzy expanded on my screen. Nice first attempt anyway so GG! Try using large hard brushes for as long as possible and staying zoomed out. Zoom in and move to smaller brushes when you can't put in any more detail otherwise. Only use soft brushes when you feel like you can't blend stuff anymore. I'm only saying this because you said this was your first time using Photoshop. It's not universal or anything. Good start brahh.

>>3290027
seeing posts like this in /ic/ fills me with joy, great work anon

>>3289740
Tried to give the belt more of a drop shadow. Hope it looks a little bit better now.

>>3288859
>>3288751


Yeah, so I think I'm just about done with this shit. I'm still going to sleep on it and look at it tomorrow morning and realize that everything is completely fucked and work on it for another ~4h. If you guys see something I could fix without starting over I'd be extremely thankful.

>>3290077

Mant to say it'd be.

>>3290061

I really like the rendering on this dude. Looks like you did this really quick(?) Would maybe like to see some more edge control. Reminds me of Ruan Jia in a good way...

>>3290075

Aww. Thanks. I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about 95% of the time though.

>>3290079
What do you recommend for pushing the edges? I did introduce a little bit of edge variety. What would you like to see?

>>3290090

Well it kind of looks like you went in with a single cloudy brush and painted all of it with that which is a challenge in and of itself. It's really up to you. I'd probably sharpen the things closest to us. The edges around the nose and the eye closest to us and possibly the bottom left part of his chin and lips.

Did you notice that he looks a little bit cross eyed? It's not a big deal but I just noticed it when I opened the image and looked at it again.

>>3290061
the ear is too low and the rendering on it seems too refined imo and it is kind of distracting, also the eyes seem a bit crossed mate

>>3290107
The rendering is too defined?

I one time got a critique on Conceptart.org that stated that my painting had depicted too much "depth" and "three-dimensionality" and that I needed to flatten the forms and un-define them.

I thank you for trying, but the ear and the crossed eyes can both be reasoned by A: ears usually aren't that important, and the exact placement of them varies from person to person enough that the placement being off by a bit a little bit usually isn't so grave a mistake that it's distracting. And B: the crossed eyes look more to me like focused eyes, as focused eyes do tend to cross like that depending on how close the object they're focusing on is.

The rendering is rather on the loose side as far as realistic rendering can go. It kind of sounds like you're trying to give me a critique that will shift my art more towards what you like, rather than what you think will help me do a better job of being true to my own personal expression, style and tastes as an artist.

>>3290090
>>3290103

Well I guess it's better to show than tell. I don't have the skill/time to emulate your rendering style but I did the best I could.

I think any of these eyes styles would be better. The first one is your original thing but fixed so that he's not cross eyed. Second one is lizard king mode and the third one is watching at the camera.

I added a smidge of red to his nose and cheek and I used some different brushes to make them look a little sharper than the other parts of the image. I liked the white part you had in the corner of his eye but I think it's positioned wrong.

>>3290118

Shit. I got the order of the image wrong since I flipped it at the end. Well anyways. You probably get what I'm saying.

>>3290107

Oha and yeah. I think he's just talking about the rendering of the ear compared to other parts of the image. I'm not sure I agree though. You could probably do with rendering the eyes and other stuff a little more and then we won't ever look at the ear...

>>3290121
>>3290107
OH! Indeed, I read that wrong, my bad. Thank you for pointing it out!

Whatever vision I originally had for this is gone.

>>3290161
Fucking forgot to resize it.

Critique me hard plz.

>>3290185
Not enough mid and light values, looks to soft edged for the scary shit you're trying to do. If something is supposed to be scary, use hard edges and angularity more than round curves, he looks too cherub faced.

>>3290187
god darn it, i'm always told the same damn shit.
"too soft" how do I change that?

>>3290188
Use sharper brushes for the majority of it, focusing on exaggerating the angles. Here's a quick edit I did of your work (without your permission so apologies in advance) to show you what I was referring to.

>>3290193
Woah! Thanks, Now I see it clearly.
You made it look more like a demon too!

>>3290197
No problem, you can use it as a guideline if you want. I love demons.

>>3288590
would have been better if the light source was opposite

>>3288828
If I was you I'd add eyelashes and chance the profile.

>>3289507
Yeah I know she has crazy kinda curly/spikey hair =\ I didn't want to copy the pixar stuff.

>>3289481
Yeah I tend to struggle with proportions for faces. =\ Thanks for comment.

>>3289572
Any tips for that? I tend to struggle with face proportions. Thanks for comment.

Drew my dwarf character and his clan's emblem today. Haven't drawn anything for a long time so it was nice to have some inspiration.

>>3288914
no you should throw away your computer and get some therapy and stop being a fucking gross furry

>>3290451
Can you be more specific? I'm kind of ass when it comes to proportions for that stuff... Any tips appreciated. Thanks.

>>3288377

Just putting the values and composition down.

Not sure what I wanna do with the background and the lower part. I'm also thinking about putting a figure in there somewhere.

Any ideas?

>>3290876
It's all kinds of fucked mate
Use a ref
But the biggest errors are
Nose too small
Lips too forward
Chin too big
Eyes too high

Even with all those errors I still like it, so imagine how dope it'll be when you fix that

>>3290904
Looks really nice already lol.

Fuck I'm a scrub

>>3288377
First time drawing in a long time.

>>3289974
Alright round 2.

>>3290869
mucha drew many wavy haired women, you don't have to make it straight. idk why you're worried about individuality if it's fanart anyway

either way, i actually meant her face. merida in the movie has a short round face, pale thick eyebrows etc. you might want to reference the actress amy manson, who played her in once upon a time.

>>3290914
What I want you to do:

1. Set that sketch layer to 50% opacity.
2. With a thicker brush, draw over the sketch with long & confident lines. The longer, the better. It doesn't necessarily have to 100% follow the lines on the sketch layer.
3. Once you've finished, clear the layer and repeat ad infinitum.

This is to work on line confidence and pen control. While you know what the shape looks like, you're using extremely small strokes that actually hamper the end product.

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LOOMIS !!!!!!!!

>>3290908
Gotcha, thanks for the tips. I do appreciate it.

>>3290953
I know I've needed to use longer lines, but this might help with the fact that I've never been able to ink properly.

Thanks bro.

>>3290957
Fuck off with that spam

>>3290999
Just report and hide it

First time putting a head on a body, that wasn't a gesture study.

>>3291037
okay I'll bite, what's the story?

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>>3291044
Sincerely don't know what you mean. Sorry, lol. All I was saying was that was the drawin' I've done attempting to put more body parts together. So, I decided share it.

>>3290904
I fucked around a bit with different ideas, but wasn't really content with any of it. I want it to be somewhere between alien (sci-fi) and fantasy.

Anyway, I think I've settled with a sort of geothermal environment (for now). It will give me some opportunity to try out some fun color palettes later on. Might do some sketches of plants too.

I'm still open to feedback, or any ideas in general.

>>3289182
Fisher pls

Fuck, I don't know what to do with the coloring outside of the hard light.

First time using krita on my new tablet (Chose it for the linux support). been experimenting with brushes and whatnot. I rendered with an opaque brush before using a blender and now I'm redefining areas that got overblended. I normally use goauche and ink irl so im just using one layer and basically using the same process of blend, refine, blend, refine, blend, refine until satisfied.

Very anxious today so it's been a good waste of time at least. Didn't use reference, I haven't drawn in a few months so i kind of just wanted to see if i could still fart something out. This thread inspired me to continue, thanks guise.

messy but is this comp ok?

>>3290873
looks more gobliny, give him less of a neanderthal head

>>3290061
i know you like your textured brushes but you really gotta learn when to /not/ use them

>>3291400
Thanks for the feedback but I really like him the way he is. He's a very grimy character.

>>3291399

Nothing in particular to guide the eye amd no focal point. Make more use of perspective, everything is flat.

>>3291399
maybe you could include the whole horse/unicorn
kind of reminds me of this portrait actually

also that person looks too small even if it's a draft horseicorn

>>3290061
Im crazy interested in your brushes. Are they your own or a download care to share? I for one really enjoy the texture you've created.

>tfw fell for the 'values before colors first' meme

>>3288751
What do you normally do if not cartoony stuff?

i dont know

>>3291189
When doing research for an art project, do any of you get lost in it sometimes?

I found it very enthralling to read about the Devonian and Carboniferous eras and their plant life in general.

Here's a few concepts I came up with for fungal flora, and a fern (I love ferns). The larger fungal plants are supposed to be 1 or 2 meters tall. The design is overtly phallic on purpose, and I wanna come up with some yonic designs too.

close to being done with this one

Я EБУ COБAК

>>3289699 here, I drew the final piece, how's it look in general? I know there are some anatomic inconsistencies, especially the eyes, I fixed them after the pic was taken.

I want to ask mostly what your opinions are on the drawing in general, specifically linework and shading, I always feel like I'm going to mess it up shading.

Thanks.

>>3291937
BCEГДA ГOTOB!

>>3291940
TPAХHУTЬ CPAЗУ

>>3291926
Chunky! I like it!

Why so much empty canvas tho?

>>3291941
HECКOЛЬКO КOTOB!

>>3291939

Ted Kaczynski was right... ffs

>>3291944
ДA, Я ЗOOФИЛ - HE ГOBOPИИИИ!

>>3291948
ЛУЧШ MHE COБAЧК ПAДAPИИ!

>>3291942
Thanks! Not really sure about the composition. I had been doing a lot of tightly cropped portraits and wanted some breathing room I think.

Just finished this last night. I've been trying to learn how to paint and this is probably the best thing I've ever made. Any thoughts, hints, and/or tips?

>>3291948
>Я ЗOOФИЛ
Get out!

>>3291955
GET SPIN ME RIGHT OUT, BABY RIGHT OUT

traditional shit for homework that I feel comfortable with sharing

>>3290896
go back to beg.

>>3291952
The legs seem wrong but I'm not good enough to redline them

>>3291971
Yeah, the legs were a bit wonky from the initial sketch. I tried to save it towards the end but I still don't understand the shapes enough.

this is a study of Nurzhan Bekkaliyev

>>3291995
Why did you just skip the form shadows?
It's like the best thing with his art.

I wonder if it's the simplicity of MSpaint that gives it the distinct style when used to draw with.

>>3291751
The fuzzy lines makes it look jarring, you should learn a more subtler way of hatching

>>3292000
Thsnks for saying.

Oclussion shadows are there but where lost due the final adjustments.

Better on this pic?

>>3292015
Well now, you've fudged up the cast shadows..

Finally got around to finish this, I'm exhausted.

>>3291009

>>3292045
Lovely colors and composition as always

>>3291952
Challenge yourself on focusing to create more iconic designs. Work on the silhouette of the character, and the details within.

Why does he wear THAT shirt? Why that armor? Is he part of an army or organization? Sometimes it's more fun to see the different iconography on a character. Remember, this image should be all a person needs in order to understand this character.
Is he married? Does he wear jewelry? Does he have scars? What about his past does he carry with him? Are there patterns on his shirt or pants? Does he come from a rich or poor family? How do people treat dragonpeople? Are they seen as lowly people or highly regarded? Is he in battle a lot, or is he more of a handyman? Why those boots? Does he travel alot? Why does he have sparse armor pieces? Did he pick it off of some dude he killed? Then maybe he keeps more trinkets and stuff from his victims as "trophies."
How do those pants fit him when he has a tail? Perhaps there's extra seamwork that might hint to that. The straps on his bicep armor seem flimsy, really put some solid, tight belts on that. It's a lot of information, but it may be a good idea to write way before you even start drawing of who exactly this guy is.

Technical skill wise, it's not horrible. Definitely mediocre but capable and shows room for improvement. My main concern is that you're not thinking in Graphic Shapes. Establish clear, understandable value/color shapes before adding soft transitions. Having these hard graphic shapes will keep the painting from feeling less muddled and grey.

>>3292045
Saved dude, this is great

Study from life
1 hour and a half
>>3292045
Obviously this is great but I think the pink bird in the foreground is too bright and too saturated and draws the eye when it's not supposed to

Some quick color studies. I really don't like top left, but whatever. And obviously I was more conccerned about getting the right colors, so the proportions might not be perfect

>>3289578
I'm just going to give you a non-constructive compliment.

Shit looks tight.

>>3289578
Feels kinda wibbly wobbly
Would definitely benefit from having a few straight lines to indicate bone structures

taking a break from zbrush to do some anatomy studies. sucks that i forget how much I enjoy drawing even tho I suck and it infuriates me, sorry for the blog.

>>3291413
It's not like I don't tone the texture down in certain places. Your overpaint appears to be roughly as textured as mine, just with a different brush. I'm not sure what you're trying to learn me.

>>3291559
They're my own. I don't mind uploading them to my dA, but I only have like 5 right now, and they're made in Photoshop cc 2018, so they won't work with anything else, I believe.

Я пoкaкaл

>>3292286
Im gonna do studies with these images, they clarify a ton for me.

Have some confidence in your work. What were you sculpting in brush tho.

>>3292234
Very nice. I need to do this kind of thing too.
Mind sharing where you get pictures to study or how you picked those?

Чёт жoпa чeшeтcя

>>3292350
that's exactly my point. textured brushes are fine you just have to learn a balance. i didn't overpaint it i just blurred it and fixed the edges and colours that were out of whack so cool your jets jfc

heres some words to go along with the edit i guess

>textured edges on the face makes it look like his skin is peeling off
>eyes looked flat, i saturated them a bit and smoothed them out. again, i doubt you want them to look like blocks of rough stone as opposed to jelly-like eyeballs. i did try to keep them in your style though
>corrected the muddyness with saturation around the areas w most bloodflow
>softened lips because, again, with your brush they appear chapped
>i saw you were trying to make the shadows more magenta so i thought i'd show you what it would look like with that

i know you've denied it vehemently before but it is clear you're trying a wei feng/ruan style with extreme sharpness and texture. if you want to emulate that, props to you. but study them more and learn how to balance such extreme noise in your image. notice that theirs don't look flaky- just detailed

>>3291530
hey thanks for the input!
the story is that a poor child horsenapped a knight's horse w magic or w/e, so the child would be about 6. he's wearing a pot on his head

I think i will take your advice

>>3291475
gotcha. was gonna have the horses head tilted a little, and maybe one of the spectators in 3/4 view. possibly more buildings too, hopefully that will give it depth

>>3292376
Thanks anon, tho it's better if you just use anatomy for sculptors for your studies.

>>3292427

I'm a different anon but that's pretty nice and your 2D-study was pretty well done as well! I'm currently learning ZBrush too. It's crazy how much doing ZBrush stuff helps with your 2D work. One small tip tho. Even when you're presenting view port renders like this have your perspective on! The 3/4 view of the skull looks extremely weird in orthographic mode.

>>3292427
I use anatomy for sculptors its is a real noice book. Great breakdowns in that book. Nice sculpt you got going on here too

>>3292409
Well, that was pretty informative, actually. Thank you.

>>it is clear you're trying a wei feng/ruan style
It's not that I deny looking I guess vaguely reminiscent of them. It's that I don't have to think at all for my work to turn out just like it does. The style aspect is auto-pilot.

If you practice drawing faces like a particular manga artist for long enough, you eventually get to a point where it's more natural than what you were doing before.

>>3292409
thing is the guy doesnt even know that weifeng uses 1 brush to render and same for ruan, you can literally see it in their high res images and in his vids he paints with this triangular brush and occassionally changes to a soft brush. and then you have this retard trying to draw shitty portraits with god awful skin tones and rendering with shitty brushes he made himself lol

>>3292475
I know what brush RJ uses majority of the time. It's a standard chalk brush(the size 36 one) with the sea sponge texture overlaid in the dual brush settings. He builds up his texture with the sea sponge texture set to multiply, or color dodge/burn. He sets his opacity to pressure sensitivity, and lowers his flow on the top bar to really low levels. That is how he builds up texture and color.

>>3292495
there is one textured one i've seen them use called 'magic pen' in chinese ahah i have it

i will try and find the link

>>3292419
started on the kid, sorry if looks creepy i haven't really drawn a child before from imagination... getting out of my comfort zone i guess

>>3292514
oh ffs

I hate my existence

that is not how be builds texture, yea he does use the chalk brush on some of his, but thats because he knows what hes doing. you are blending and making these shitty strokes its like you believe its all about the brush and ignore everything els. RJ softly glazes over areas and then uses other basic flat/round brushes to render the details, and occasionally will render with a dual brush. some are fully rendered with a dual brush but theyre rare. just look at pic realted, very few strokes softly glazed with texture and not over rendered like some retards believe the shitty 500 hours on each painting. you are making tiny strokes, he does not.
>>3292511
rj doesnt use that never has. only guangjian huang has. i have RJ latest brushset, and no you cant have it.

>>3292532
>>3292495

>>3292532
>>3292511

his latest

>>3292532
I'm not a cunt, can i have it instead?

Working on the shapes and pose, thoughts?

>>3292561
edgy

>>3289025
Amalgamation of multiple methods, Hampton and Loomis included

>>3292532
i have it lmao and it has that brush in it. you crazy

experimenting with a new style

>>3292577
no it doesnt you retard >>3292534

Ecли жoпa чeшeтcя - тo эт к дoждю

>>3292589
Ктo o чём, a p*ccкий o жoпe.

>>3292597
>пyк

any tips? working on color and values

>>3292646
squint your eyes to see the big shapes. check out nathan fowkes classes on landscape painting in watercolour and gouache (i know you prob want to do digital and maybe not landscapes, but imo it's an essential for learning value and colour) and his colour and light class is the gold standard too. they're floating around on the internet if you know where to look

Hey guys how do I fix the disconnect between the foreground and background? Should I blue-shift everything or redraw It?

>>3292670
thanks, i'll look for it!

>>3288451
learning to draw is fighting with your brains natural way of thinking, which is why its so hard

>>3289182
THIS IS A WOJACK BOARD LEAVE ME ALONG SMUG PEPE

>>3288960
cool

>>3291288
unironically blog?
There are only few artists like you who draw women like this instead of average weeb-anime-tiddie-waifus, so I really appreciate that kind of work.

Proportions seem right, her breasts and her armpit are too high. There should be quite some "broadness" between the top of the shoulder and where the armpit starts, keep that in mind.

>>3292578
The nose looks like something rebecca sugar would draw
Other than that, neat/20

Just a small and rough doodle really but I like how it ended up looking

>>3293198
Blog?

>>3293199
Don’t have one rn

>>3292075
Pls answer
Here's today's study, also from life, 1hour 10minutes

>>3291288
jenny saville/10
thumb looks too long and mostly hidden arm looks flat

from today's life drawing session. tried to hold back with the rendering and focus more on planning, composition and construction.

>>3293261
till it was already to late

>>3288377

>>3293308
traced/10

Very quick sketch. Trying to get a hang of tablet drawing again

>>3293422
I'm retarded

>>3293308
if you blur the hair you should also see less brush strokes. Try doing it with a big brush instead of a photoshop blur, I think it would look better.

>>3293261
these are nice, I have the same problem as you hehe
>>3293198
cute
>>3292782
yes you should add more blues to soften the transition.

>>3292561
cool. the left arm (holding sword) looks really
small and makes figure look unbalanced. Continue refining the shapes. Right now the eye is drawn to his right shoulder because of all the lines and noise going on there. Make sure to bring back focus to the face.

>>3288949
another1

>>3292532
I like how you think I don't know how RJ paints, or how he achieves his signature look.

The brush doesn't matter. It's how you use it. RJ builds up texture by rendering while zoomed out. The result is a scribbly mess that looks tacky while zoomed in, but produces texture when zoomed out and downscaled. That's brush abstraction. I already know a lot about Ruan Jia's workflow. I studied him pretty intensely for a while.

>>3293217
yeah, you know, its aight. I preffer hatching that describes the shape more. I think his forearm might be too short, hard to tell with it being flipped like that


wip, I know, photo sucks

Doodled with Bic Cristal Pen

>>3291189
Decided to extend the canvas to the left.
Any thoughts?

>>3288949
>>3293591
looks strangely familiar
you got a vk page by any chance?
I like the designs, tho I'd add a bit more accesories.

Hi

>>3294125
wanted to add; tried digital art due to lack of good lighting in my apartment. Not sure if its for me tho..

>>3294125
Hey, I have this pic saved as a reference!
I think you should use a sharper brush setting and also use longer, more sure strokes. It will make the piece more appealing and confident.

Hi guys, sorry I posted this earlier but I have to turn it in for a commission (its just a poster for some wildlife thing)
Does this look really unsymmetrical or anything?

>>3294165
I think it looks great, anon

>>3294165
>>3294170
lol Im such a dumbass.

here is the file

>>3294070
Looks great but I can't tell if the thing in the foreground is pond or a hole. Maybe give it a bit of reflection if it's a pond

done. thoughts?

>>3294181
Thanks mate!
Well, it's both. It's a geothermal pool. I havn't decided on what's gonna be reflected in it yet, but reflections will be added in due time.

Currently thinking about putting in a research vehicle and a figure or two...

>>3293541
thanks

>>3294070
nice

>>3294070
>>3291767
>>3294191

I've decided to put the vehicle and figures in. Did a lil vehicle sketch. I'm going for something that feels practical, and not so "vidya", if that makes any sense.

Does this design seem sensible?

>>3294206
Oh, thank you!

>>3293678
1: brush abstraction is not a thing.
2: its called painting at a high res, big canvas, its not a digital thing. look at high res images of oil paintings
3: u still dont know how he paints, considering pic related is yours.
4: he doesnt paint zoomed out all the time, look at his videos.
5: youre a novice.

>>3294275

Looks nice. Maybe you could have a little shape in the middle bottom part to make it look just a little bit less boxy? Where are you going to place it?

BTW thanks for the geothermal pool thing! Those things look alien as fuck and I'll be sure to use them in something later on.

I did a little study of Edwin Lord Weeks today. Just attacked it with large blotches of color I thought I saw in the original. Didn't try to go for accurate proportions as it wasn't the focus of the study. Rendered some parts I found interesting like the metal thingy on the elephants head. I really want to learn how to indicate materials and these 1800's travelling artists were fucking amazing at it!

Please tell me if you know of any similar artists. Guys I found:

John Frederick Lewis
Rudolf Ernst
ludwig deutsch

>>3294275
Looks good. Do you have a blog? I'm curious as to how the finished drawing is gonna turn out

>>3294286
Yes.

>>3294285
Thanks!
I was going for something that looked a little clunky and boxy. Something out of Alien (from 1979) sort of. I might add some details to the siding though, like rust or bolts etc...

Not sure about the placement yet. It will be facing the viewer at an angle so depending on placement It will have either a light or a dark value, and be pretty dominant, or at least eye catching with it's (artificially) straight lines and all. So, I need to be mindful of value grouping and composition.

That study of yours looks great though! Gonna go further with it?

You might already know about this, but in case not: You seem to bee looking for "orientalist art". Just google that, and you'll find many more painters like the ones you've mentioned. I think both Zorn and Sargent had a little oriental phase, so that might be worth check out too.

>>3294286
I'm ridiculously slow, but I've taken this project on to see it through. You're very welcome to hit me up at
>https://iggytheautoreiv.tumblr.com
or
>https://www.instagram.com/iggytheautoreiv

>>3294300
How do you follow so many people???

>>3294326
They are either people who's art I like, or anons I've followed back to chat with or follow development. I'm also pretty bad at unfollowing, like when someone follows you, and they are kinda good but you're interested, so you follow back, and a few days later they unfollow you... (hate that)

something cute?

does this have any redeeming features?

Why do I always get ignored

>>3294390
It's a finished piece, which is more than I can achieve. It looks kind of good from the thumbnail so I'd say you're in the right track style-wise

>>3294300

Yeah. I bet a boxy car like that would work great juxtaposed against an organic mushroomy BG.

Not gonna go further with my study. I don't put that shit in my portfolio or anything. Basically got what I needed out of it!

Thanks for the "orientalist art"- tip! Found a ton of interesting stuff. I wish we had more art from precolonial South America. Oh well.
Made a quick dino sketch with my new iPad Pro/Procreate. Started with a random mess of shapes and ended up here. I've had a lot of problems 'painting' with this thing. The line work always seems to go great but I'm so used to painting with Photoshop it's really hard to get shit done here. Might revine this thing with my beloved Photoshop for another hour or something. Ehh...

>>3294434
>Yeah. I bet a boxy car like that would work great juxtaposed against an organic mushroomy BG.
We'll see... I'm having trouble getting it right. I'll post "progress" on it tomorrow.

Hey, that looks great! Do you have a blog/handle I can follow?

~.~

>>3294441

Aye! Can't wait. Some of the stuff on your website is pretty fucking awesome. I also see you're a fan of Winston Chemielinski! He's a fucking beast <3.

Don't have a blog yet. I'm obviously on ArtStation etc. but I need to make another anonymous blog for my /ic/-bullshit.

>>3290077

I made that stupid lizard thing though! Need to get dem mobile gaming jobs...

gomenasorry for no feet and hands

Screwing around with celshading techniques. Think I need to adjust line weight.

>>3294408
Which one's your's, bud?

>>3294408

Yeah. Which one is yours? I'll say something if you tell us.

>>3288576
Thank u for the ref friendo, lighting's real cool.

>>3294454
>celshading techniques
LOL

>>3294175
gud job

>>3294469

don't laugh at them you dingus, there are plenty of different ways to go about cel shading :/

>>3294175
Compositionally it's just a little weak.
Lacks any sort of punch to grab your attention.

>>3294434
my friend this is good proportion/colour wise but i think you should practice brushstroke integrity and stuff like maybe study Sargent a bit?? deliberate placements of strokes is good to have but it looks good esp as a thumb senpai

>>3294455
>>3294458
I already lost motivation to continue it several days ago anyway.

>>3294486

I totally agree with you. I've actually studied Sargent a couple of years ago (pic related). You're still right though. I'm also struggling with my new oeypad.

I don't think that stroke economy comes from studying though. I think it mostly has to do with how much you've painted in general. You'll make more confident strokes when you know what you're doing (which I don't really 90% of the time)-

>>3294488
So are you not gonna post it or...?

>>3294493
nah it defs comes from studying shape language, but muscle memory does help u right

>>3294501
I already posted it but no point pointing it out now. I just wish that didn't always happen. It's been like that in all the years I've posted here.

>>3294527
And so, you'll never know why...

still sloowly working on this, usually for about a half hour a day.

So I've got a question, I boight some Loomis, and his lessons have been helpful, but at a certain point there's a hump where it's hard to progress past. How did ya'll get past lessons that you didn't want to do, or it's stuff you already know how to do, just a different method. Cuz I don't want to move on to more advanced stuff until I get through them.

>>3294527
If you'd post we could probably tell you why you aren't getting responses. Often times it comes down to the kind of reply necessary to convey the problem your work has or how to fix it. A picture with a simple issue that can be resolved with little effort on the part of the commenter will likely get more replies than one that has lots of issues that may or may not require a paintover.

>>3294576
Really cool anon. it kinda reminds me of luncheon on the grass which I've always found a little unnerving.

>>3291926
A suggestion for the composition in the future since you pretty much can't change it now, I think a longer reaching shadow would help pull the weight from the bottom of the canvas and to the top. maybe moving the head a bit to the left and making the shadow diagonal.

nick onb woodd

>>3294580
>>3294531
OK fine it's >>3289116

>>3294621
are you ok anon?

>>3294629
Well it's just as I thought.

None of this is outright bad, it's just amateur. It shows a general understanding of everything you put into it such as the folds of her clothes, her anatomy etc. So it's not easy to critique in a concise fashion which is why it doesn't draw much response.

It falls into the category I described where a little more nuance is necessary to critique it, which most people don't care to spend their time on, or, to describe my reaction, it's just a "blah" drawing there's not much to get in a fuss over technically or creatively.

But if I were to re draw this character for you, the lines would be tighter, her pose would be less stiff, and her face would look a little less weird... but I'd need a tablet to do that soooo...

>>3294189
awespme

from previous thread

>>3294634
I see. I think I understand why it happens then. I'm still not going to continue that one but thank you anyway for critiquing it and explaining the issue.

pls no bully

>>3294576
shit nibba this is ace
>>3294709
also forgot to mention i will color him

>>3289116
it's actually better than you think my guy. the eye and ear just throw off this solid piece

>>3294621
hey it is really good

>>3294469
>doesn't understand what celshading is

>>3294454
the tit is well drawnm as well as face. i would tweak point hand/arm, elbow looks like it's gone in front of the torso for some reason

>>3294801
Oh shit yeah, looks like I missed that line when I was lining over the draft. Thanks for pointing it out.

>>3294709
it looks so fucked up as a thumb but oh well

>>3294709
*pushes you*

Haha stupid what are you going to do? Your values are too similar you stupid greyface!

could someone please give me a painting crit for this?

>>3294656
Thanks mate!

New thread

>>3294851
>>3294851
>>3294851