/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3287518
>>3286851

I made my first digital art thing. Eager to make something requested maybe?

Well, I'm as beginner as it gets. I just want to show some progress on where I started and where I am now. Also, am I the only one who celebrate their original character's birthday? Is that normal?

I'm trying to figure out a good style I can use. How does this look?

I drew for years by hand, never made the switch

anyway I created this in photoshop did I get the proportions right, is it passable. Looking 4 feedback on the proportions mainly, not on the shading or anything

>>3291346
whats up with the neck and arms lol

>>3291392
didnt work on the neck yet
the arms Im thinking about making them longer because they seem to short, I get that the triangular shape might be a bit odd too but thats supposed to be part of the clothing

is Clip Studio Pro a good way to make artwork like the concept art for Dragon's Crown? Not the manga, the actual game. Like in the game's gallery. That's the kind of shit I wanna draw like. Will Clip let me do this or should I just break down and get photoshop like everybody else?

>>3291344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDyk4dy7kc
try thinking about the planes of the face a bit more.

>>3291412
Is this better? I'm not trying to go super detailed, I just want a simple style I can consistently use.

>>3291417
style comes from a cohesive understanding of the fundamentals (of which there's a way to go)

A while ago I shared this on the Tower Girls thread and someone told me to post it in /beg./

So, what do ya think? I wanna know how to draw better cuties.

>>3291417
that the exact same pic dawg.

i think atleast.

>>3291426
I dont agree with that. You can browse pixiv and see tons of different styles in amateur artists. Some even make mistakes but already have a defined style.

It all depends on the type of drawing you do of course and quality but a style is also your tendencies such as small mistakes you tend to make or things you value over others.

>>3291426
I've been doing fundamental studies for months. I can keep doing them while I work on style. I don't want to end up like Proko.

>>3291430
I fixed the nose a bit.

>>3291438
oh excuse me, I didn't see.

just draw alot and you'll see what you like. trying to find a personal style this early isn't the best idea.

>>3291438
You don’t work on style though. You work on fundamentals. Style will rise from your studies.

>>3291438
just draw what ever the fuck you like mate

look at
>shad

man cant draw for shit and yet he is succesful as an artist
Dont hate the guy or anything but his drawings arent exactly good

>>3291444
sure it will, friend. I believe you.

>>3291438
>I've been doing fundamental studies for months.
I don't recall ever having seen you post any fundamental studies.

>>3291438
Don't misinterpret lack of fundamentals for style. You should know why the nose looks the way it does/form and then you can exaggerate or de-emphasize that part how you like, creating your style. Meaning you should understand why the kawaii xoxo anime gurls only have 2 slits for their nose and why that works. Don't just put 2 slits for a nose and call it quits cause then it'll never look right or you'll force yourself in to a form of drawing that's always copying because you don't understand it enough to draw it yourself. Style isn't magic it's knowing how to emphasize the forms you want and diminish the forms you don't.

>>3291177
This is a tattoo design im doiing for me, as uou can see i have shit all skill any way i can improve colour blending? Or any where i can send the image to and have a proper artist fix it?

>>3291597
you can commission an artist who's art you really like.

Where should I look to learn digital painting?

ctrl+paint anygood?

>>3291617
>tumblr nose

>>3291629
feels more like a sinix nose to me.

I think i have a problem with overall shading and outlining.
Crits highly appreciated!

>>3291428
It's clearly not /beg/.
Do you jump in a well if a bully tells you to?

just a shot at basic proportions

Can someone give me a fresh eyes on this. I know the left eye is too big but I'm spo far still lost where to correct.

Hey. I'm halfway through Drawing on the right side of the brain. What book should I study once I finish it? Is there any recommended book that could complement what learning from it?

I'm thinking Keys to Drawing, but I've seen recommendations about Fun With a Pencil and other Loomis' books too. Dunno.

ahhh...

>>3291687
You a problem with overall shading.

I'm working my way through the drawabox lessons and I feel like I'm doing fairly well so far, but I'm struggling a bit with the lessons on drawing texture. I find it especially hard to sort of tone down the busier textures.

>>3291738
Posting some of my drawings for feedback.
2/4

>>3291740
Sorry about the shitty camera quality.

>>3291741
Another attempt at the mossy brick wall from the second pic, wasn't very pleased with the result but hopefully it might at least give a clear indication of what I'm doing wrong.

>>3291617
Anyone know where to find good procreate brushes?

>>3291735
I was just about to redline this and refer you to the sticky, but then I remember that I actually drew this a while back.

If you want to make fanart for me, do it in the server so I can mock you properly Don't be a pussy just post some shitty imitation on /beg/, crying to yourself, and hoping that I don't see it.

I
AM
EVERYWHERE

>>3292001
>how dare you steal my generic looking lesbian!

>>3291617
tony soprano?

>>3291738

You just need to do more. But don't stay in DaB too long. Finish the lesson once you understand it and get to the end ASAP.

You need to start studying from photo/life/your favorite artist and start training imaginative drawing.

You can always go back to a specific lesson when you're stuck.

>>3291454

Using that meme...

NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
gmi...

I used the mannequin references in Loomis' fun with a pencil, I feel like I'm slowly improving, but I could really use some constructive criticisms

Just finished this, wanted to use a blender model i made and paint over it to see if It would help me paint, im going to not use blender for the next painting because it made this piece too stiff and artificial. what went wrong and what could i have done better.

Don't know if I belong in /beg/ but I'm new to painting, would like someone else's perspective

>>3291177

I was making this for a draw-thread request and I am really having trouble with it. Just before I go to clean up the line-art, I begin redrawing the problem areas and it's really bugging me. Any tips or suggestions, I can't seem to move fast enough or even to the next stage of finishing the image without changing something or noticing some glaring mistakes right before I move onto the next process. I assume that I need to study more on figures and gestures. Though I am just fried from working on this, but I would like to at least finish it hopefully.

I need a new approach to life drawing. I'm finding it difficult to process all of the visual information presented to me

>>3292161
fuck that looks horrible. But I guess that's why you're here?

>>3292171
yea, and I would like life drawing tips so that I can improve my imagination drawings like the one I posted

>>3292161
Start with a basic underlayer made of simple blocks. No details. Blocks. In correct proportion. Then go from there.

Stop trying to draw the nuances of the mouth before you've even sized the chest cavity.

>>3292157
Just finish it. It will probably be a failure in certain parts. Oh well, do it again. Then do something else. There is no point dwelling on one iteration of a piece.

>>3292142
The form is good. The nose ring needs some shading, a highlight and an undertone, because currently it just looks like a line pained over the piece. Also the coloring of the darkest part of the scarf looks a bit off, go for a warmer color to contrast the blue. But the blue looks so nice.

>>3292191
>The form is good.

When /beg/ tries to critique...

>>3292194
What aspect of the form isn't good? The proportions are all there, as opposed to 80% of the stuff posted.

>>3291177
Im guessing i need to render basic shapes before I dabble with rendering anything

>>3292185
Thanks. I appreciate the advice, I'll try it

>>3292191
thanks so much for the advice!

I could do with some help drawing my knight.
I'm struggling with the armor angles, i usually draw from reference and couldn't find anything in this position. Halp pls!

>>3291691
Nah, but I was wondering if he had a point about something because he didn't elaborate. I guess now I'm just looking for a legit critique lol

>>3292255

Checked, and the secret to all of this is, if it looks good nuff', it's good nuff' as is. As is your pic., sure there are things that could be improved, but I assume as most ppl here are just hobbyists or somewhere around that spectrum and just looking to improve.

sad girls sad girls

He gonna claim Brazil

>>3292294
not with those chromosomes hes isn't

>>3292295
He looks very autistic I know. Quick sketch.
I tried using my own face as reference but hard without camera or mirror.
>Implying I have a down syndrome face.
Advice on how to make less autistic.

>>3292294
>4500x4500
>[pic related]

Anão, don't do this. Also read the sticky.

>>3292297
im not really good at critiques so ill just make a list:
the eye is really large and not in perspective
the mustache looks like it's his mouth, probably because the actual mouth is really small and i think too high, also because the lines you used for the mouth are really light compared to the mustache
the ear is a really strange shape, it curves forward on the back instead of being rounded outwards
the whole face looks like its too far forward, kind of like its just sticking off of the front of the neck
the nose and forehead look really weird, like they're too flat
the hair looks really wiry, you might want to try drawing it in clumps instead of individual strands, especially with that brush and if you aren't going to really render it much
the neck seems to short and thick as well
i would say that you should try doing some skull studies, that will probably help with the general placement of features and the jaw

if you want to you should also check out this steve huston video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg&list=PLVeysOZ-P5tsvzfxWg_OG7mPeLSa56Ovw&index=1

Hello anons
After practice some ink
I decided to just to make some drawing on digital.
This is what I got
I didn't sketch before paint. it is what it came from my mind. I learned a lot doing this.
any critic it will be appreciate

>>3292312
Thanks m8

>>3292142

>>3292333
i think the scarf looked better before, it had more texture

>>3292333
Nose ring looks a lot better, maybe other anon is right about scarf but at least the coloring is better. Nice work.

>>3292338
Eh, it was a quick 10 min pass with basic brushes. I do agree with the texture part though. It's a shame that I'm a scrub at dual brushes because I'm certain I could do some Krenz Cushart type shit with the colors that the guy originally put down.
>>3292316
This is is looking nice! Good use of that chalk brush (if it isn't the chalk brush plz tell me what it is)

>>3292316

Not /beg/

>>3292341
what is dual brushes?

Went through psychosis and forgot how to draw, Im having problems keeping motivated, used to be quite good at drawing, now I can't into anatomy or shading. Anything wouöd be helpful
1/2 from photo

>>3292352
2/2 left from photo right from imagination

>>3292352
>>3292353
Hey man, it's great that you're getting back into drawing. I got 3 tips for you:
1: Draw from life more instead of photos. If you don't have access to nude life drawing sessions then pose naked in your room, I don't care. Trust me on this, the quickest way to memorize the human form. Photos are great supplementary material but can't replace the real thing.
2. Try sketching in pen for a little while and think about the motion of every line you make to improve your draughtsmanship.
3.Don't spend too much time on /ic/ or Discords like Putsu's. As long as you draw in shapes and visualize forms, it doesn't matter what technique you use, unfortunately, /ic/ is extremely autistic and thinks that there is a formula for everything when it really is just deliberate practice. Also, the Discords seem like they have "good" artists but they're all just arrogant pieces of shit that think they're better than everyone just because they know the basics.

>>3292359
I'm already drawing in pen, and I try not to spend too much time here, unfortunately i won't really have a way to study from life but at least I'll be able to learn quite a bit from photos as proof of my old drawings. I'm trying to draw from imagination right now paired with photos. I guess I could draw my house mate at least. Or my mother.

>>3292294

>>3292142

Post ref.

>>3292362
Good, the most important thing is that you do it every day consistently and with a desire to learn every day. You're not too far off, keep grinding.
>>3292364
I would like ref as well. I tried to guess the edges but I know I took a couple liberties.

>>3292363
God damn this is good.
That smile makes it more enjoyable.

Hey /beg/, I have a question. Usually when I'm drawing, I don't stop when the exercise is "finished" (because I currently lack the skill to draw it correctly), I stop when I'm overpowered with shame. I know it looks wrong-- I don't know how to fix it, but I can tell it's off, and the longer I work at it the worse I feel. I know the solution is to power through the feeling and keep drawing, but how? Has anyone else gone through this?

>>3291177
Pretty proud of this desu.

>>3292367

Thanks, here's a little something extra I added to it.

>>3292386
That face I made is that of the devil.

>>3292383
Now do it again

>>3292377
Don't power through a shitty mistake, fix it, if you don't know how to fix it look at it in a different angle, take a pic of it or look at it in the Mirror and fix that shit. Powering through it just makes the mistake stand out. Every beg has gone through this

R8 my Croquis Cafe Session

>>3292377
I go through the same thing and I've found that it really is good to write down some real failings (for my most recent session it's line economy, and proportions) and some things you're pleased with (visualing form and quickly capturing the figure)

Then take a break. And I don't mean do somthing else, I mean make a concious effort to enjoy yourself, even if that means just a nap or sitting somewhere other than your work station for a bit. take as long as you need.

>>3291178
>http://ctrlpaint.com
Picked up the $99 Wacom
Should I be able to achieve the left's results or am I stuck with 100% opacity and 25% flow?

need critique, trying to learn values and cloth fold/wrinkles

>>3292294

>>3292448
use your finger more

>>3292435
are you not pressing lightly to hard to vary the pen pressure? you dont even have it enabled on your menu

>>3292461
wat

>>3292467
>you dont even have it enabled on your menu
wtf how come nobody told me to press this button before
thanks buddy

thanks m8s

>>3292426
I guess I should've been clearer. I do try to fix mistakes when I can identify them, but I'm still at the point where even when I fix every mistake that I know how to fix, my work still looks shitty and amateurish (because I am a shitty amateur). I know practicing more is the solution and that I'll eventually learn how to identify what my mistakes are to fix them on my own, but it's still demoralizing to try so hard just to end up with a polished turd.

>>3292430
i r8 it 8/8. Really digging the flow/movement in your gestures.

That's a good idea. I'll try that, thank you.

>>3292468
charcoal, right?
i can easily see the figure you've established
i can easily see the lighting you've established
you can acquire far more detail when you start smoothing the charcoal with a crumpled up paper towel or your fingertip, or adopt crosshatching and accentuate the folds (which will be difficult given the size of your drawing)

>>3292480
i used 2HB pencil and some 9B

is this fucking normal?

>be practicing portrait from imagination for a while
>make decent progress
>go back to studies for a bit so soak up more details
>regress a fuckton at copies from reference

and i mean like a BIG regression. i had to draw a few of these twice and these still had a lot of flaws

>>3292473
wip. currently 1 hour into redoing an old painting for fun.
will go back to grinding boxes and muscle loomis men tommorrow, i will stop polishing turds i swear

>>3292529
Not a beginner.

>>3292529
read the sticky

>>3292543
already did. faggot.

How do I cure my cerebral palsy and draw straight lines?

>>3292580
What have you tried?

>>3292587
drawing lines

>>3292592
Lurk more.

ugh

>>3292580
Do not use your wrist. Use your whole arm, in one motion. It will take a lot of practice to get it going in the right direction, but it will be much straighter.

Wrist is fucking useless.

>>3292613
try pushing the values and color contrasts some more, see how it ends up

>>3292613
i'd desaturate some of the greens

>>3292629
>>3292649
thank u bros. only did greyscale before this so trying to understand colors

How do I study anatomy in a way that will help me when drawing from imagination? Right now I just choose a major muscle group (arms, legs, torso, neck...) and draw it but I have trouble remembering how exactly they connect when drawing from my head. Any tips or resources would be much appreciated

Are conte pencils worth the price or should I stick to my generic charcoal 2b pencils? 11 dollars for a single pencil on amazon seems pretty steep.

>>3292665
Post sample.

>>3292678
No.

>>3292678
drawing is one of those things where the materials and quality of it matter very very little same for painting (except the paint itself)

>>3292580
are rulers not options for digital?

Hey.

Would you consider this as a Beginners Art?

I edit Photos for about 12 Years. I learned Photoshop 2 Years ago.

Have a Creative Mind but am very lazy to learn something new.

I am open for Critique

>>3292687
its not bad but the 2 styles conflict.
the top is all fantasy/drawn/painted
and the bottom is hyper realistic because its a photo

that clashes

>>3292687
>>>/gd/

>>3292689

Thank you! :)

>>3292693
First i thought i should ask on /p/

>>3292680
Some arms.
2 on left were done with reference, 3 on right were done without.

>>3292704
>>3292665
Personally, skeletons from life have been the most help. In my opinion if you only buy one art related thing in your life, it should be a high quality reference figure. That being said, real life is always better.

So I've been working out of Fun with a Pencil for sometime now and I feel confident in using Loomis' method for heads, but I am having trouble building his mannequin; even from the front. Any tips?

Finished, but it still looks odd.
idk what it is.

>>3292812
This bugs me a lot and I can't tell you why.

>>3292812
>>3292820
I think it's because the front of the head is shaped like a crescent moon rather than a straight line.

>>3292812
What would happen if you removed the nose?

>>3292826
do you mean the front of his face is to rounded?

>>3292831
idk, maybe I should try to chance the shape. Also now that I look at the eye might be to low.

>>3291417
Eyes are a little too close

>>3292215
MMM FEET! Draw more FEET!

rip me a new asshole please

>>3292812
forehead doesnt work like that

>>3292835
I think I mean that the forehead (and maybe the chin) jut too far forward.

>>3292849
>>3292846
better?

>>3292845
Hairy lines.

How shit am I?

>>3292868
3/4 torso comfortzone/10

>>3292862
Yeah, I think it looks better.

trying to do gesture like vilppu, going through the form, then around the form, and then containing it, but i feel like all my gesture drawings are really tube-y. like funnel people. any tips for improvement?

>>3292871
Is that a thing? If so how do I get out of it?

Alright how the fuck do I get better? Post ways for beginners to practice.

>>3292880

>>3292880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFfSl-EBfI

>>3292878
Draw full bodies?

I messed up in some parts like her belly area.

>>3292142
>>3292364

>>3292333
woah cool, i really like the hair!

>>3292862
The mouth looks way off in my opinion.
Here's my two cents

>>3292871
Why is only drawing that bit bad? I usually only do that part cause it's a neat place to cut it off and still look ok

>>3292928
its a problem if you do it because you're not comfortable drawing legs

if you can draw legs perfectly then yeah sure you can make the decision to cut off wherever you want if you think it looks good

>>3292949
I don't think my legs are perfect but I'm not scared of drawing them. I just really love drawing heads and torsos. Honestly I think I might do it to avoid having to find a place to put the arms

>>3292876

Honestly it looks fine, just keep at it, you are grasping the figures, their weight, movement and flow, keep up the good work, my faves are the bottom middle one with the woman with outstretched arms and the far right where the woman is resting on a box with arm extended, I would say try to go a bit quicker, especially with regards to the head and feet, other than that, keep up the nice work.

>>3292845
I don't think this is that bad if I'm being honest? The only problem I see is that the lines are very shaky and messy, but that is probably just down to unconfidence with lining so I'm sure you can get better.all the other 'problems' that could be discussed are all style choices which in the end is up to you, I mean I would say the proportions are off, but you won't learn without trying so just keep drawing and testing new things.

>>3293015
i wasn't sure what you wanted to do with the hands desu so i didn't bother messing around with them.

>>3292923
I appreciate it dawg

the pic is pretty unclear but I think I get what you mean.

how do i learn to draw like this?

>>3293075
It's important you really stick to this training regiment. You have to keep doing it, no matter how difficult it gets:
100 gesture drawing
100 studies from reference
100 value studies
10 completed works
Do it every single day.

>>3293094
Legend has it that this is Kim Jung Gi's daily schedule.

>>3292197
>>3292142

Proportion are not form. You can have wonky ass proportion and some good forms and it'll still look somewhat interesting.

Everything but the nose and light area on the cheek has form. If you think that's "good" means you have no business giving advice to anyone. You don't even point out the mistakes.

>>3292876
>>3293006
thanks but I feel like the reason they look very funnel/tube-like is because i'm not really differentiating between the upper and lower parts of the torso very well.

does anyone have any tips on how to do this?

I can't wrap my head around this. How is this even useful? If my drawing IS a picture plane then how am I supposed to construct something outside of it? How am I supposed to find these two parallel lines in the first place without the top view from a diagram before that? And all this work just to draw a fucking box?

>>3292142
>>3292922

There are a lot of subtle value shifts in this image. Really hard to see. I'm still struggling with this myself.

< Quick paintover.

>>3293150
this book is a meme like loomis dont fall for it
just learn as you go, if you need to draw bodies learn basic anatomy, if you need to draw scenes and buildings learn perspective etc

>>3293164
>the book that is the foundation of fzd and artcenter's perspective classes is a meme

FZD actually is a meme in general but those guys know perspective really well.

Is drawabox a meme, my lines are pretty bad, I wanna fix it

>>3293191

Just because some crab made it a meme doesn't mean it's wrong.

>>3293162
yeah super subtle. should i pick better reference pictures? or would a quick fix be to up the contrast in the reference? super new to this so i have no idea

thanks for the paintover! looks great

>>3291177
John William Godward study

any guide to not be shit at coloring

>>3293248
Don't be afraid to use darker tones.

>>3293150
>>3293164
Don't listen to him, this book is actually incredibly useful, although it helps to have a solid grasp on perspective first. don't get discouraged if you cant get something right off the bat, I'm doing this book too and I'm a few pages ahead where you mirror curves on rotated planes. I'll admit sometimes things just aren't explained all that well but if you keep trying to figure it out for a bit a little lightbulb appears and you'll get it.

How is this possible? without color the grayscale is wayy down in the middle, though with color its at the very top.

>>3293262
hue and value are related, you can't change hue without also changing the value

So can someone tell me why draw-a-box is controversial?

Just started doing it. Should I start with something else?

>>3293310
the first few exercises are fine, but there are better ways to learn & gain mileage than drawing the same exact thing over & over plus the guy who created drawabox has not been drawing all that long, there are better people to learn from

>>3293310
also you should be pulling your lines directly to the vp, thats how those work

>>3293228

I would increase the contrast but keep it on a separate layer and just turn it on when I need to see better. Still practicing on a higher contrast and higher quality images is good practice.

You can also do some still life. Get some random objects and a light (flashlight/table light) make sure the area around it is dark and point the light at the objects. There are tutorials on youtube if you search "how to set up still life".

Is it worth me getting a Wacom tablet? I can't really draw on paper, and would like to learn but don't know if tablets are any good for that sort of thing. I mess around on photoshop a lot, and have just started trying to draw on paint and photoshop but I don't know if getting a tablet will really help me draw freehand or just be a waste of time. Pic related is a paint replica that I did of a youtube tutorial (only made it half way through the tutorial, had to go out).

tried sketching a skull, how bad is it?

>>3293370
CUTE

>>3293342
did you honestly try like
at all

>>3293370
the perspective of the eyes and nose seem fine
the depth of the teeth is not being captured (can barely make the difference between front and sideward-facing teeth)
rest is just not complete and is just line art

>>3293370
You're literally symbol drawing the main facial features. What's the point of outlining the shapes if you don't get anything meaningful out of it? It's a good start, but do more with it.

I did this last saturday.
Right picture the sketch that I did in traditional way. Left picture the traced version that I did using a painting program.
So this is basically how artists do it?

>>3293375
I did. The more I look at it now, the more mistakes I see that I could fix up.
But you still have not answered my question.

>>3292529
Not OR, but would you mind draw something with this other elf girl https://i.imgur.com/hyvKXq3.jpg instead?

How am I supposed to shade cross hatching if the area (or the whole drawing) is large? It just looks messy when I try to do it.

Also I'm this guy
>>3291720
>No answers.
Plox.

>>3293403
sure, she looks cute! what show is she from? also depends one what your specific request is. if it's something complicated i might have to ask for money

>>3293388
>So this is basically how artists do it?
Do you really honestly think this is how artists do it or...

>>3293410
Well, I don't know, how about she as a 5-years old version(only wearing shorts and a t-shirt) taking a nap after eat cookies and milk and sucking her thumb and hugging a teddy bear? I don't know, I am a bit dry of ideas right now, I just was a bit curious to see her on that hiper realistic art style.

She is from an italian cartoon called Scuola di Vampiri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THzAD4vb-8U

>>3292543
Considering that he did that in an hour and it's still a work in progress I don't think he needs to read the sticky. Try harder to critique lad.

>>3293423
If they do it using table, they basically draw the sketch first and then just trace over that to get the final line art? rigth?

Also:
can I here share the full sketch? she is naked.

>>3293262
The software may or may not also be making automatic adjustments like "preserve luminosity" which may be able to be turned off.

>>3293426
post your work

>>3293427
Maybe some people do that, but 99% of digital art is all done with a tablet, including the sketch.

>>3293424
holy shit, i knew japan had some good shit but i didn't know that europe based when it comes to sexy cartoons. joel jurion, milo manara wtf

When all you can do is faces...

>>3292529
>>3292531
>that tiny fucking forearm
>ears that aren't even attached to the head
>eyes flat and tilted
>/fa/-length neck
>waist is immediately under her chest
>Not a beginner.

>>3293191
Everything's a meme. Draw what you like. If something about how you draw bothers you, change it in a way that makes sense.

Do you think drawbox's exercises will improve your linework? Do they look like something that would benefit you if you committed to them, or do you think you would just get bored by repeated exercises?

>>3293444
>when you can't draw anything

how do i draw digitally? trying to use a tablet for the first time :/

>>3293447
They may have some anatomy issues, but that level of rendering takes practice.

But yeah, I have no problems with them being here. if to work on their rudimentary anatomy.

>>3293442
Yes, she is a qt.

>>3293455
i'm just going down ctrlpaint's shit

>>3293454
is this shoped

>>3293467
no it is real

>>3291715
imo values around the eye sockets need to be darker because its giving this illusion that they're protruding instead of retruding.

/ic/, right side of the brain or keys to drawing?

>>3293496
Both.
I'd start with Right Side. Pseudo science or not, the exercises it provides are good to building key fundamentals.

>>3291597
Dog, respect your tattoo artist show them your thing and they’ll draw it how a tattoo should look, lest you end up with a muddy mess in a few years.

Correction/redline please.

>>3293570
looks more like blue to me

What is the difference between tracing a hand drawn sketch and tracing a reference photo, to get the final line art? technically you gonna get the same result.

>>3293584
fundamentally different because the sketch is the ideas you want to convey and the photo is... its own?

it's such a weird question tbqh. i feel like you asked me whats the difference between taking a shit and sneaking in a log of brown play doh into the toilet.

Crits?

>>3293594
>the photo is... its own?

You can edit a photo all you want using photoshop to get your "sketch" that you will use as "reference" to draw your line art.

trying to get good at drawing from imagination. here are my attempts. please give me criticism, how can i improve these? what are the flaws?
also can you tell which one of these isnt from imagination?

>>3293594
>i feel like you asked me whats the difference between taking a shit and sneaking in a log of brown play doh into the toilet.

holy shit anon, that's a perfect analogy.

>>3293370

Thoughts? She is supposed to be in a garden, holding on a table arranging flowers.

>>3293636
This hurts my brain to look at.

>>3293681
please elaborate further and/or give critque

>>3293682
I can't.

>>3293688
fucking scum

Any blatant mistakes? I am currently working through Scott Robertson's book and have only been drawing straight lines so far, so I thought I'd see what it had amounted to and drew this.

Any critique would be appreciated. I am currently working through Scott Robertson's book and have only been drawing straight lines so far, so I thought I'd see what it had amounted to and drew this.

>>3293636
crits pls

>>3293810
Pretty good. Without knowing the ins and outs of perspective, stuff standing on the horizon line looks odd to me, but it's probably just me.
Keep it up.

crit anatomy pls
doesnt look right but im not sure what

the sheer lack of crits on this general is shameful.

>>3293876
No one is making you stay.

>>3293882
my /beg/hood is what keeps me here

How do I know if an image is a good image to paint/study?

>>3293886
you'll learn

Can I get some crits. This is my first drawing pretty much ever and it's still a work in progress (it's going to end up as a Manga girl hopefully).

Also can I get some advice on how to draw Manga hair? Whenever I try and draw the bangs they always come out heaps sharp and jagged.

>>3293904
Learn how to draw heads.
Practice this and apply it to your anime girls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

>>3293904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Oc303iTqQ

>>3293907
Thanks. I just picked the anime thing because they looked kinda simple, a circle and a triangle for the face. I am keen to try and draw other things considering how well this has turned out (I used to draw stick people so this is a big step up for me).
>>3293908
Thanks man. Learnt a lot from Manga martin.

>>3293904
very good, technically sound

>>3292812
Flip the canvas, then look at your eyes.

This was fun. Pretty difficult though.

>>3293910
>I just picked the anime thing because they looked kinda simple

Uh oh...

are there more perspectives I should learn beyond 1, 2 and 3 point perspective? or is that all I need?

>>3293935
Poor phrasing. However I did try to choose something that I'm interested in and I thought didn't look all that difficult after I was watching tutorials that broke it down into simple steps and made it very easy to follow along (breaking a face down into a circle and triangle).

>>3293829
Weren’t you the guy who traced?

>realising just how utterly shit I am at measuring

fuck me, how do i do this?

is overusing brush tool legitimate technique or am i on a one way trip to bad habit?

also is there a tool in any program to darken entire image overall? could really use one.

>>3293948
Measure more in order to get better at measuring.

>>3293954
Start drawing on a grey canvas m8. That way you work towards both the lightest and darkest tones.

I'm not sure how to project the light coming from this windows any help? I attempted using the perspective grid I already had laid out for convenience but obviously that's wrong or so it seems.

this proko guy seems alright.

>>3294017
Shadows dont work like that. When a shadow reaches a uneven surface it will distort.

Every time I draw no matter what it is, be it traditional or digital I feel that I am lacking. I somewhat understand figure drawing and don't trace/use bases or even references but it still feels stale and flat, I am pretty sure it is my perspective being shit. I just never have any inspiration as my bland pieces get buried by inferior artists in the group that I post to; never to get any responses, critique, or anything really. I don't even really understand what I am doing wrong or if it is just straight up pessimism that usually leads me to only draw once or twice a month.
TL;DR is it even worth my trying to keep drawing?

>>3294017

>>3293829
Since you want to get crits on anatomy, is safe to assume that you wanted your drawing to be anatomically correct?
Because if that's the case, it's pretty messed up. I haven't had an approach to anatomy yet, but what pops out the most for me are: thin neck, those fingers, the gravity defying boobs and those monstrous thighs.

>>3293886
See if the image has angles, values, positions, anything that you would find challenging/would get you out of the comfort zone.

>>3293904
Not related to hair, but the eyes should be at the middle of the head. Don't chop the skull.

Idk where I went wrong but this feels rly messy.
how do I fix it?

>>3294068
post ur stuff in another smaller group if you feel like you should get more attention. There are tons of places where you can find discord, art buddies.

>>3294068
the pose of the character is flat and stiff. its like you are drawing your character from the front to make sure all limbs are visible and its not difficult. try different pose with some foreshortening. it needs to be more live. including expression, your character has none.
also more contrasts. it looks bland and uninteresting with 50 shades of blue all over the place.

>>3294068
Figure out what makes a drawing look solid, as in like you feel like you could touch it, if it weren't for the fact that it's on a flat canvas.
Read books, widen your horizon of art concepts.

As a very early beginner, does it help to draw the same models pose over and over again for gesture drawings?

>>3294114
>the same models pose over and over again
no, draw lots of different ones

>>3294114
Try. Tell us how it went.

>>3294114
I think what helps the most is spending different intervals of time on each pose. So for example you can do
>10 30sec poses
>5 2 min poses
>3 5 minutes poses
> 1 10 minute poses
> Then just spend however long it takes to finish the las pose as a completed drawing; even if it means drawing it a few times.

trying to render a sphere on some sort of plane in the desaturated and high contrast style using methods outlined by shawn martinbrough in his book on how to draw noir comics.

Noted though, I'm not using ink, just a b pencil for rough lines and a 6b for drawing the black in

>>3294068
It seems like you don't really don't understand the fundamentals of drawing. Your drawing is ridden with symbol drawing most noticably in the face, hair and hands. The body seems like you drew contours first and then traced over it on a different layer. Not using references doesn't make you better if you don't undetstand what you're doing anatomy and perspective wise. Also you seem oddly pessimistic about your art considering you consider it superior to others in your group. Swallow your pride and grind fundies. Actually read the sticky. All of it.

Is blending colors together super time consuming, or am I just retarded?

>>3294174
use a bigger brush.

Do you guys feel that drawing gestures/figures from imagination helps when tackling gesture/figures from reference or life?

I think getting used to drawing stuff in proportion is good practice to train the hands/eyes...Not sure how much time to spend on it in comparison to reference though

>>3294058
Oh yeah I get that, I just left the plain shadow like that because what I'm most worried about was the projection. I reworked the shadows and I'm unsure about something.

Would the light that hits the stairs be 'higher'? Like should I move that section a little to the right to take into account the elevation of the stairs?

>>3294077
I gave it a try but the windows I'm working on are a bit more complex than your example, is this right?

>>3294058
>>3294077
>>3294210

>>3294080
I feel like the cap belongs to a different art style because of the thick outline it has. I don't know if that was actually your objective, but I think it would look better if you try to make it look like the rest of the drawing. More cohesive, if that makes any sense.

>>3294212
yeah, I'm trying to paint over some drawing I made last week. Its still kinda a wip, I was planning on painting over the cap next, but now I think its probably better to just start doing grey scale stuff, since my values are so messed up.

In the Loomis method is there a good rule of thumb when cutting off the sides of cricle to get the head. Like how much do I cut off each side for drawing women?

>>3294207
as a beginner DO NOT bother with drawing from imagination. reference everything especially human body to get all the important details and proportions. once you can copy random photo of someone to the point of boredom then start to use your imagination.

>>3294220
Don't use the Loomis method, circles are for fags https://youtu.be/QBv5z0Y2odE

>>3293947
nope but thx

>>3294078
ok thx ill try to work my hands and put some grav on those tits

...b-but the monster thighs stay

>>3294226
t. guy who cant draw a circle

>>3291177
thanks for using my dragon pic.
I also drew this do you guys like?

>>3294226
my nigga!

>>3294226
this. Angles>curves.

Is 4 hours of gesture, figure and anatomy studies every day going to make me a good porn artist?

>>3294247
you want to draw in color or not? if not then yes, you will become good, doujin quality maybe. if in color you better watch ctrl+pain and many other tutorials, shits hard as balls. just figuring out the program will take time.

>>3294252
yeah, I'm wanting to do black and white doujins. How do you learn to shade? Is it just a matter of drawing what you see from reference? Right now I basically can't shade at all.

Not exactly a beginner, but my art teacher from HS was so shit I had to kind of unlearn the bad things she taught me and start from scratch.

Anyway, here's a sketch I did in mechanical pencil. It's supposed to be a reimagining of sorts of the big bad wolf. crits plz

>>3294256
read sticky, loomis, etc

>>3294226
I don't mind the Loomis method. I come from a maths background so measuring out the proportions feels more natural to me.

Just get back from 7 tears of drawing from my highschool.

Should i post my new atempts to make anime girls here or you guys only accept intermediare o high level?

>>3294256
go over it in pen in more details think more about the larger shapes.
Think of the fur as clumps and don't draw in every hair also think of the direction you want the fur to move.

>>3294255
that depends. in doujins some use lines, some tones, some have more advanced techniques from 20+ years of experience. pick your favourite artists whose way of drawing you find most appealing and based on that look for a tutorial/guide.

if what your are asking is the very basic. how to shade at all. you basically separate where light hits the body and where shadow is created. start by simply outlining then fill them. after that you have to adjust where shadows are darkest and where lightest. in doujins you dont need to smooth things with brush like you would on some realistic painting.

pic related. pure black over eyes. grey for hair. white where there is none. its very elementary.

So does anyone know how any good tutorials for Clip Paint Studio outside of the official websites and shit? Also how do I seperate a photo reference from the canvas so I can use it as a reference instead of tracing practice.

>>3294272
thank you, I appreciate it

how do you draw action poses from imagination? i can copy from a reference just fine but when it comes down to making a new pose its just a blank for me and even if i try it looks like complete shit

do you think these brushstrokes work?

>>3294292
exaggerate and use creative angles instead of drawing a figurine. speed lines can help to make the pose dynamic.

>>3294292
Make a line of action. Just take a page and draw a line with a bit of curve to it. Maybe draw another line across it. Then try to align the spine and leg curves with it and draw in the torso. The pose will usually end up looking aerial. Then try drawing a line of action where one foot or both are anchored on the ground. The line of action should be pressing into the ground in some way.

Also, an easy way to add a lot of motion to a pose is bend one leg and straighten the other.

>>3294274
Window > Sub View

Any guide to draw kh helms?

After some ink work I decided to make this sketch to ink it like frank frazetta,
I will use bib pen, normal pen, brushes,.
Wish me luck. I’m exited

>>3294307
I love the rest of it but that is one very sideways boob.

>>3294309
I’m gonna fixed I didn’t noticed it.
It’s a copy to study by the way.

>>3294312
I just looked at myself in the mirror of that pose the top line of the boob should be more slanted downwards and you only see a very slight impression of the nipple.

>>3294315
L O N D O N

>>3294222
Completely disagree. You can teach yourself proportion and other fundamentals and explore them w/o relying on reference.

Then when it comes to accurately depicting a figure/portrait from reference you have a base of understanding on the placement and proportion of everything.
This is especially helpful when tackling difficult poses or trying to capture the likeness of a portrait; Both of those can be difficult for a beginner and having a base understanding of the fundementals by practicing those things can be better than tackling hard references straight on and not knowing why you're sucking.

>>3294315
This is the original
With this you can point better what I did wrong.
If you found it tell me
I will table a look later because I need to go to work now.
Thank you anon

>>3294319
boob too high draw it lower.

>>3294319
aw its just a xerox
i thought i was witnessing a great artist

>>3294220
The amount you cut off is insignificant long as it isn't too much or little. What looks right in most cases is, that being said slight variation is had from person to person or different races.
>>3294245
Angles are found in the loomis method too, as are curves in the sheet method. Loomis uses curves as a base for detail while the sheet method has one sculpting from nothing. Beginners will benifit more from guidelines they can internalize and memorize rather than guessing angles until it works.

>>3294144
>desaturated and high contrast
fucking nailed it anon, did you use this pic as reference?

>>3291178
oooo

I was blind but now /ic/

>>3293952
plz help

>>3293410
OR again here

You can draw her doing anything you want, I am just a bit curious to see her in a realistic way like this other elf girl >>3292529

Also:
Where did you learn that art style?

I've resolved to making my own drawing instead of moping when I see a piece that I'm envious of.

how come there isn't PBR for digitally colored drawings?

this thread is for shit artist beginners so why the fuck would you want to ask shitty beginner artists your questions? you get shit advice lmfao stay fucking dreadful if you stay in here

>>3294536
Where can I go for actual feedback?

>>3294351
What do you mean anon?
I’m studying Frank frazetta.
Do you mean it’s a shame I copied the sketch to study? I have original pics If that is what are you looking for.

>>3291617
If you're going to elongate the face, use smaller features. Especially the eyes. It is too much caricature without much contrast, so everything feels like it's geared towards one side.

>>3292897
I've seen you post this twice. Anon, if you know there are issues with this, please redo your drawing on another paper. I'm not fucking around, you will actually benefit from redrawing the pose until it looks right.

>>3292383
>Cross eyed nipples

They're not that centered either, put them in the right place.

>>3294210
>>3294211
Advice, anyone?

>>3293952
ACADEMICS PLEASE RESPOND!

>>3294386
ah, yes, I'm still rendering out basic shaped due to me being such a novice. I eventually want to start learning figures and faces, may go through loomis again but I swear i'm sick of drawing blooks

>>3292862
Is there a reason you're focusing on balding men? Just curious

>>3295096
Training my self portrait, for that dark day that will once come...

also think its just not confident enough in hair.

>>3294077
Does anyone know where this pic is from?

>>3295148
found it:
http://www.architecturerevived.com/shadow-in-perspective-drawing-art-technique/

some of this stuff is complex, tilted objects ect. geez

How do I make my lines not suck DICK

Any tips for building mannequins? I'm having trouble doing it.

>>3295408
Have you heard of this cool book called Andrew Loomis's Figure Drawing for All It's Worth? I hear it's really popular 'round here. No seriously, if you copy some of the more fleshed out mannikins (pic related) and actually read the damn thing with intent you will improve (so long as you also do life drawing of course).
I'd recommend avoiding all of the simpler mannikins as they tend to end up looking too stiff and fake. Just copy each one of his plates like a madman until you get it too look his drawings and then try applying the shapes you memorized to real people.

Best tutorial videos for someone who hasn't drawn at all?

>>3292922
damn you shouldn't reference homos

>>3295677
Glenn Vilppu's videos for teaching you how to learn anatomy and figure drawing through observation techniques, Marshall Vandruff's perspective series, and for learning how to render and have good shape design try Kienan Lafferty's videos (also has good figure drawing stuff for beginners as well).