/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3284624
I'm curious about this too

>>3284624
Those are literally just generic anime bodies. Just copy and observe lots of anime. Also just experiment and see what looks good.

what happened to that anime general

>>3284696
this, just draw. copy. trace. reference. experiment. rinse repeat.

>>3284699
it gets banned like it should :)

>>3284699

The mods don't know themselves. Apparently the /ic/ janitor has been given so much power he intentionally can do whatever the fuck he wants, including shitpost to his hearts content. So the thread is not allowed, because he wont allow it.

>>3284624

Going to give a long and serious answer, in case you really want to know.

I think there are two kinds of simplicity. One comes from exclusion: you draw a smiley face. If you say that's a simplified face, you're right.

I don't think that kind of simplicity is what you mean though, that's easy and you already know how to do that: just draw something less complicated than the real thing, and call it simpler.

I suspect that you instead want simplicity in the sense of "elegance of design". This simplicity is more like that of a well-oiled machine where no piece could be stripped out without breaking it; this is art only as complicated as it needs to be to do its job.

Loomis does teach you how to do this. I think his book "Drawing the Head and Hands" gets at this best.

The big idea of the book, separate from its name, is that by building a combination of artistic fundamentals, and afterwards understanding details, you will ultimately be able to simplify your art, draw substantially faster, and still do better work.

The book starts you off grinding construction, perspective, and proportion, and he slowly walks you through a full study of facial structure, anatomy and shading.

The idea you ought to care about is that, if you want to simplify, the details you're leaving out are important to know, because otherwise your choice to change or remove them is meaningless.

For example, memorizing the structure of the bones and muscles in the face lends credibility to drawn emotions.

This remains true in both complex work, AND in simple work, because your drawings will ultimately be more likely to be physically true-to-life, EVEN WHEN you aren't drawing any of the muscles or details surrounding them.

Awareness of detail, plus practice, is enough to emphasize or minimize elements in a way that get at the simplicity you want.

>>3284871
THANK YOU, anon. You could not explain it any better.

>>3284699
I thought another guy responded to this post. I'm freaking out

>>3284624
>>3284871

>>3284624

Nope, nothing magical about this drawing style that Loomis and Vilppu doesn't cover. Nothing particulary eastern about it either. One tip I can give you is that it can be easier to simplify if you draw with a relatively thick line before you have the confidence in your shape language there. Try drawing figures with a felt tip pen and you'll find that you will automatically simplify more.

>>3284624
I wondered the same thing when I was new. Like how anime girls legs seem to just be straight lines? It's pretty simple. It's just a style. The answer is simply practice.

>>3284624
>>3284696
>>3284871
This is simply a good understanding of form and shape. The artist understands anatomy and form to the point where he can suggest the volume of muscle with just an outline. Probably can't get to that point by just following Loomis only, but once you get there you have the tools to simplify.

>>3284696
>Just copy and observe lots of anime.
>Just
Nah, this is the worst advice anyone can follow.
Just copying stylized stuff won't get you anywhere. You need to UNDERSTAND how stuff works. You can achieve that only by understanding the fundamentals of art.

>look at the way how the body is simplified and stylised

are you high? those bodies are definitely detailed and not simplified in the slightest

>>3286186
>lmao

lmao

>>3286190
Other than the animu head

>>3285717
this. i can draw similarly to this and i just did a shitload of life drawing with some anatomy study on the side.

>>3284624
sauce please I can't find it

>>3286186
>>3286257

you simplify a form with contours, in other words with "lines". Exactly what OP's pic is depicting. It can be simplified and exaggerated on different levels, more details etc. but it is still a huge simplification in contrast to a fully rendered realistic body.

I hope now you understand what simplifying means

>>3286186
Anon, have you never seen a real life body? Serious question.

>>3286313
Post work

>>3287136
So OP is asking how to draw? Because literally every non-rendered drawing is "simplified" by your dumb ass definition.

>>3287299
Not that guy, but have you? The body of the average young, in shape woman usually doesn't have any more surface detail than those anime drawings have. I feel like sometimes the people who pride themselves the most on their anatomy knowledge are the least capable of actually drawing believable female figures, because they keep drawing the anatomical surface detail and muscle definition they THINK should be there instead of drawing what is actually visible.

>>3284624
Visual read is context based.
A fully rendered drawing has all the context for the viewer to read the picture.
So it's a matter of finding out how to draw something with less context while still having it read as whatever you intended.
With less context means the context that is left have to be more accurate for it to read well and be aesthetically pleasing.
You can actually trace over photos with just the lines you think give the right context for the viewer to read it correctly, then apply anything you learn to your drawings.

>>3284701
>trace

>>3284624
Just draw people from real life, or from photographs. The bodies in the picture look like figure studies. That's the "trick". That's how you learn how to draw like that. Being able to simplify it comes with lots of practice and good taste. There is no trick, there is no guide, how many times must /ic/ repeat this? Practice, practice, practice! Don't doodle, don't mindlessly copy shit, study stuff man. THINK while you draw, talk to yourself while you draw, pay attention to what you are doing, ask yourself "how can I improve, where do I suck, WHY do I suck, what can I do to not suck? what do I have to practice???"

>>3284624
>Not talking about the anime styled face in particular but look at the way how the body is simplified and stylised. It's like if you stripped away everything but the bare essentials to communicate a form/body part. Sort of like minimalism?

That's literally what anime-style is.

>>3287330
By definition, non-rendered drawings are simpler than fully rendered pieces.

>>3287363
yes but clearly this isn't the definition of "simplified" what OP meant otherwise he would have asked "how do I do non-rendered drawings?" and wouldn't have specified these drawings in particular.

>>3287346

I learned more about the human body tracing in hours than you will learn in your entire life, Crabby. Better and more experienced artists than you have lauded tracing as an educational tool and with good reason. If you want to hold yourself back because you're too mentally stunted to discern the difference between a toddler tracing something for fun and an adult tracing something to foster a deeper understanding of it in a fast effective way you're more than welcome to stay in the beginner thread where you belong.

>>3287367
woah calm down dude

>>3284624
Draw tube limbs then look at reference to get the idea of how to subtly shape the contours (don't fucking copy poses, just use it to understand the musculature), do this enough that you can do it from memory. They call it, "drawing from imagination". Go further with detail and you'll become a Renaissance master, it's the same goddamn thing.

There isn't really anything stylised about these bodies. When practicing and sketching make a conscious effort to use as few lines as possible. Use pen if you can too. This will help you with making elegant lines.

>>3284624
Youre gonna hate to hear this OP but its really just loomis and perspective

>>3284624
FUCK those lines are nice. you just know this is nearly effortless for the artist. mirin.

>>3284701
>>3287346
has anyone actually incorporated some tracing into their studies and gained something? because I remember doing quite a lot of it in school when I was 6 or 7 and my drawing skill exploded around that time, and from then on I was the best artist in my school. i wonder if i was going to develop art skills regardless of the tracing. but looking back i think it helped with the muscle memory and mark making massively.