/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

hows it looking

>>3269995
proportions are way off.

I posted this in another thread but haven't got feedback and was hoping for some.

I'm working on the design for the protagonist of a game I'm working on, but can't decide on what to make for the torso. Most of the settings will be in temperate to cold areas so I want something that is covering, but still sexy. I was thinking maybe some sort of half-tunic that ends just below the bust with a close-fitting shirt underneath it that covers the midriff, and then duplicating the puffed clothing and wrapping combo on the legs for the shoulders and arms.

I'd appreciate a redline with any ideas you all may have.

>>3270038
cold weather clothes just aren't sexy

you shouldn't focus on that.

>>3270049
insulating tight form-fitting clothing
thicker materials where you want to emphasize the figure/silhouette of the body
doesn't have to be revealing to be sexy

>>3270038
you could always go to the website of department stores and look at their women winter coats, find something that fits your universe. Those pants makes her look like a ninja tho, and those shoes don't seem fit for snow covered terrain, but I don't know how much traveling she'll be doing in the game. I'd def recommend some fur around the collar and even the gauntlets and boots. nothing says winter weather like fur.

first face sketch ever, this is overwhelming and it's hard to get things right, also how 2 draw frontal noses

>>3270038
>covering, but still sexy
look at lara croft winter gear

>>3270065
Needs more Loomis

>>3270065
Dr. Suess?

>>3270084
Mother of God, what the what?

>>3270061
This is fantasy and there isn't much in the way of clothing technology past hides and furs and basic linens. I think I'll take your advice and add some fur tufts around the ankles to show that the footwear is insulated and padded. Not every area was going to be snow on the ground. Evergreen forests and large plains similar to the Russian Steppe as well as rural areas.

I eventually want to add different outfits and hairstyles so I'll probably do one with a fur neck too.

>>3270067
These aren't bad. I'll just have to knock them back 700 years or so for some of the outfits. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>3270038
>temperate to cold
i live in canada and you still get pretty fuckng hot in the sun even when its snowing outside if you are running around doing any activity an adventurer would be doing. it wouldnt be crazy to be a little bit uncovered.

>>3270065

I'm clearly missing some fundamental lesson. The torso especially I just don't really get. Also the hands I draw looks like they're always facing away from the viewer.

i've noticed loomis wasn't as good at drawing non-whites

R8

>>3270182
10

>>3270147
You're drawing outlines without understanding the form beneath it. Try to draw real people more (assuming those aren't reference). Of course knowing a bit of anatomy helps.

What the hell does construction mean

Working through Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing and I'm at the part where I have to copy a master drawing. The retarded issue I'm having is fitting everything from the original onto the same page. I think I'm on my third attempt now of trying to consciously fit everything onto the page without it looking like an abortion.

So basically any pointers for how to outline or plan a copy of a master drawing?

Quickposes hurts. It's been forever since I've done timed figure drawing. The poses are 1 minute, hands are 2 minutes.

Trying to get back into drawing/painting after a long hiatus, a few studies in an im struggling. Having a huge brain/hand disconnect.

>>3270273
Your study looks fine you stupid bitch. good job keep it up, cunt.

>>3270234
The act of building.

>>3270247
shapes
https://youtu.be/3YXTlF4hzaE

Crits?

>>3270301
Head's small, neck's too long, torso's short, left thigh's larger than the other, lack of butt fangs, and that face.

>>3270301
shoulders are wider than hips.

>>3270301
this is the reference for the body btw, I think I threw the perspective off somewhere along the line

how can I make these colors and shadows less happy, chieldish, and more serious and mature?

Started this back in February of last year, eventually lost motivation and just picked it up again last week. I'm nowhere close to finished I personally just reached a point of satisfaction with the wings and just wanna step back and see where I should go next as I'm not too confident with continuing.

>>3270381
Redraw it better

>>3270422
talking about the colors, mate

>>3270426
Colors aren't going to save it.

>>3270427
it's not about saving it, it's about applying good colors despite the lineart quality
are you mental or what?

>>3270381
Work on your pose first. The man's ass is not touching the ground at all.

>>3270430
What is turd polishing.

>>3270273
look at the thumbnail of what you posted. your head it too far rolled forward. the highlight near the pubic area is a bit out of place.

rest looks aight. maybe lower the knee.

have people been putting that big artmodels360 download to use?

>>3270464
link?

>>3270467
unfortunately i didn't bookmark it

Tried my hand at some expressive dadaist trash in the vein of guys like Burri and Kiefer. You can tell me it sucks and yes, I would've used iron in the top corner, but I only had aluminum.

>>3270493
very good. technical sound

>>3270493
post a better pic, looks interesting

>>3270520
Best I can do with the lighting and my shitty phone cam, sadly.

>>3270493
nice experiment, although Kiefer isn't dadaist at all, just saying.

>>3270497
/beg/ has the best memes

>>3270291
Building what

>>3270431
i don't really care for the drawing at all, this is just a sketch so I can experiment some color stuff
any tips on making the color scheme more serious?

I don't find art enjoyable.

>>3269976
Crits encouraged

>>3270493
Jesus Christ

Just burn it

>>3270493

>>3270392
How long have you spent on that? There’s a ton of symbol drawing in it, and it looks flat.

WIP I guess. Every fucking time I try to draw something it becomes this cartoon style I do unconsciously for some reason. I thought I was done with symbol drawing as well, but nope.

>>3270830
Ref

one of my first experiments in digital coloring, not satisfied with any part of it so if someone has specific suggestions I'd like to hear em.
don't bully me cause it's anime

>>3270834
one more. you'll notice I cut it off at the legs because I need to practice anatomy but whatever

>>3270834
KEK

>>3270813
I said crits encouraged

I’m trying hard
Next exercise I will try harder.
The goal is to see form, I’m not studying anatomy thou

Someone has a discord group to study? I would like to have art mates to discuss about art.
I don’t have anyone haha.

>>3270851
discord is cancer on generals anon

>>3270854
Oh, I do t mind.
I’m just trying to find people like me.
A group or something. To share knowledge and study art.

Around me everyone does not appreciate, love art like I do.

>>3270839
Nothing stands out as "too wrong" so just go ahead and clean it up and finish/ink it atleast.

>>3270381
cooler colors instead of warmer ones.
like more blue, but not baby blue.

I was taking screenshots of the pics I took from my studies.
I apologize because the screenshots are heavy. 2.5 MB each pic
I didn’t realize about it until now.
Example

>>3270851

>>3270535
I didn't say Kiefer was dadaist, I said that my project was.
>>3270816
I already did. The burn marks should be quite noticeable.

>>3270879
I just wrote 3270879

something looks rly wierd about the anatomy but idk what it is.

cant delete in old thread cuz its to old :I

The best I can do right now and yes I'm practicing Loomis for head construction.

>>3270147
Right figure: The perspective of the upper half is at basically eye level but the legs area is sort of looking down. Loomis talks about this in Figure Drawing for All Its Worth. I'm still struggling with the legs too tbqh

>>3270999
hmm
look at the negative spaces, that will help a lot.
also do some blind contours.

you're drawing what you think you see rather than what you're actually seeing

>>3270933
His left foot is too small and a bit messed up, can't feel the form.

Also feels a bit unbalanced, maybe partially because of the foot. The right leg looks like it's coming slightly forward, that would put the center of gravity behind the figure.

Also, draw in perspective, don't do that lazy straight on view. At the very least think about where the horizon line is.

Are there any artists who do stuff in a style similar to pic related? I find that my favorite works of my own so far are all in this micron pen, very clean lines, clean shading kind of style but i don't know where to look for more inspo or for artists

i know of Katsuya Terada, but otherwise are there any other names who tend to 'specialize' in this stuff?

>>3269976
Yay my garbage charcoal "master study" is in the OP. That makes me want to draw another one again soon. One day, I'll actually become good at perception drawing ;_;

Maybe I should try a still life instead of copying a charcoal drawing this time?

>>3271082
You figure that out just now?

>>3270999

>>3271068
I like how minor axis of the ellipse just changes in the second pic.
Fucking idiots.

>>3270999

You're not ready for loomis. Start with keys to drawing.

>>3271153
>keys to drawing
Can you stop with these shitty toxic advises in the every thread?
>just spend 2 years scribble everything you see before you start constructing lmao
This is so fucking retarded.
It's much easier and better to start with construction first and then, after you get a solid grasp on the fundamental rules, move to the perception drawing.

>>3271162
You're missing the point. It's meant to help you draw what you actually see instead of what you think you're seeing. Construction doesn't mean anything when you're symbol drawing.

Please stop saying shit that will mislead beginners. A lot of people here tend to latch on to what people say as absolute fact and people like you will only fuck them up even more than they already are.

>>3271162
Not him, but you're missing the point. It's meant to help you draw what you actually see instead of what you think you're seeing. Construction doesn't mean anything when you're symbol drawing.

Please stop saying shit that will mislead beginners. A lot of people here tend to latch on to what people say as absolute fact and people like you will only fuck them up even more than they already are.

>>3271166
>>3271168
First of all, if you are symbol drawing, you are not constructing, you fucking cretin.
If you want to become good in the reasonable time frame, you have to start with constructing.
Constructing allows you to draw literally anything from your imagination.
Perception drawing just makes you a shitty copying machine.

>>3271162
>>3271175
This guy is an idiot

>>3269976
I know there is a sticky but I thought id ask some basic questions here while im reading it.

I want to learn how to both paint and draw. Should I start with painting first or should I start with drawing? I would prefer to start painting asap

Which books/resources should I get to help me out with painting? I am an absolute beginner so my skill level is pretty much zero

What is a good way to track my progress?

And finally, is what stuff should I pick up for a painting?

>>3271175
The idea of copying well is that when you do studies from life, you're drawing it as accurately as you can as to internalize what you're drawing correctly. You then apply that knowledge to your imaginative works. I don't think you can find me a high-level artist who draws from imagination like a god but symbol draws his studies. I do understand where you're coming from in the sense that too many people put too heavy of an importance on observation practice and then in a couple months wonder why they can't draw things out of their head yet.

When I see misinformed things in this thread I usually let it go but this really bothered me for some reason.

>>3271207
Drawing but if you want to paint then paint. YouTube any questions you have about painting. Keep your artworks to keep track of progress, never throw away anything. Brushes and paint.

>>3271205
Sick arguments, NGMI.
As expected from perception-drawing-first brainlet.
You sure showed me.

>>3271210
His problem is symbol drawing, not construction. Because he is not constructing in first place.
And you say "it's too soon for you to construct, do perception drawing ", when the correct advice would be "start fucking constructing correctly".

>>3271214
This is probably a dumb question but what paint would you say I should use, oil or acrylic?

>>3269995
the eye needs to come way forward, and the back part of the skull? needs to be elongated

>>3271221
>doesn't even know what symbol drawing is
>acuses someone of it and tells them to learn construction instead of working on their observation

>>3270830
look at what you're referencing... take more time on your proportions and make sure your angles are right

>>3271227
It's only possible to symbol draw when you are perception drawing, you fucking monkey.
Who are you quoting btw?

Some 30 second poses. What can I do to improve?

Is it better to call it quits on a piece I realize is going south and start again, or should I go and try to finish first and then try again? I find myself scrapping a lot of practices but I'm not sure if its the way to go.

>>3270834
her shoulders are kinda big. makes her look like a boy

>>3271266
Finish first then try again because you already admitted you scrap too much.

>>3271275
You're right I should just accept my mistakes and learn from them. Thanks friend!

what do i set csp resolution and dpi to

Please, any tips?

Can osmeone redline the pelvis in this photo for me? where is the trochanter and what would just be fat pads vs muscle

where get reference?

>>3271475
youre doing good. Keep grinding both simple and complex poses. I suggest adding hatching/value to exercise your sense of form.

>>3271475
It needs more curves. Have another look at those pixiv hands and krenz hands and notice how the curves are slightly exaggerated to make it look less stiff.

Hold your own hand out straight and carefully note that although your hand is straight the curves are still present. Curves for muscles. Curves from where the bones can influence the shape of the hand. Hence, you know where to improve by continuously referring back to your two references of the krenz studies and those pixiv hands you got from google as well as real life.

>>3271255

Are you really learning anything by doing this? I would say you need to develop them beyond that to really gain anything.

So I'm a complete /beg/ at painting in Photoshop and I'm trying to figure out if I'm missing something. I've seen a lot of examples on youtube of, when people want to start laying down shadows (or some other kind of gradient), they just pick a basic brush and set opacity to be controlled by pen pressure and then just start drawing. They just draw over an area a few times and get a pretty smooth gradient from the start. But whenever I try to do this, I always get a ton of visible edges in my shadow, no matter how gradually I try to increase the pen pressure (pic related). I can have a single straight line vary smoothly from light to dark, but I can't mold it into any sort of shape without having it come out like a random-looking mess. Is it just practice or am I missing something?

So far I've found that controlling flow is much more reliable than trying to control opacity. I've been turning flow down to 1-4% while keeping opacity constant and then slowly building up color where I want it. But this takes a long time and it seems like other people achieve the same effects much faster.

criticize

>>3271650
Please disregard, I am an idiot, I just tried the soft round brush instead of the hard round brush and it's much easier to get a smoother effect.

I'm still interested in how often people typically work with varying flow vs opacity vs both.

>>3271133
yeah that one gets kind of wonky, my b. i should be better than that by now

>>3271637

Yeah I'm not sure if I'm getting much out of it.

Here are some 1 minute sketches

>>3271678

Some slower studies

>>3271656
When I'm blending, I have opacity set to pen pressure, and vary flow manually. Flow and opacity are different things, but the difference is subtle. Both have their uses. Flow is building up paint with every stroke, even if you don't let go of the pressure, so if you go over the same point during one stroke, the color will build. Opacity controls how much is applied during the stroke, if you have it set to 50%, you will never apply more than 50%, even if the stroke overlaps itself.
There are different times each effect is desired. When i'm blending, I want more control over how much color I'm laying down, so opacity is more important - when building foundational layers or working more impressionistic, flow is more important.

>>3271634
Alright thanks, I appreciate it

>>3271728
Right I know the difference. I find that just using a low flow gives me much more control. With opacity set to pen pressure I find that it's extremely easy to just randomly get a darker or lighter patch of color somewhere, just because my hand happened to push softer or lighter there. Maybe I just need to practice more.

>>3271056
Tnx for the advise anon, ill try fix.

what is the horizon line, is that a gesture term? never heard it before.

>>3271773
The horizon line is just the horizon. You know, where the sky meets the ground. You should read a book on perspective.

>>3271773
you're either a foreigner or underage b&
or you managed to completely skip the 3rd grade

>>3271732
You're nearly there anyway.

>>3271789
Oh, thank you anon, that's so encouraging.

>>3270826
Well I started it February last year i think i lost interest in march and only picked it back up again last week. The symbols where for getting an idea on what it should look like.

>>3271723
I like the others more.

Help. Does this body look correct to your eyes? I know there's something wrong with perspective. Maybe my eye level is ambiguous. So the upper body and the lower body doesn't match. It's like one of those women by Picasso. Horizontal line is supposed to be around waist line.

>>3271843
dont know how to draw but the ass looks odd

>>3271843
Torso seems a bit long and the spine is bent at an awkward angle

>>3270234
It's sketching out the simplification of forms and shapes of the object you're drawing

>>3271848
>>3271852
Thanks. That's it. I'm going to correct it.

>doing keys to drawing
>recommends to use a pencil
>asks to shade for detail for most of the exercises
>tfw only been using pen to draw contours because of Peter Han exercises
There's so much more detail you can do with a pencil holy shit.

>>3271864
>falling for the "keys to drawing" meme

>>3271866
>>3271866
I saw that debate on construction vs. perception drawing earlier in the thread. What resource did you personally use to learn construction?

In the big sticky I saw a link to Proko's free videos and drawabox.

>inb4 replying to bait

>>3271870
You are replying to bait.

>>3270301
>no hands drawn
>no feet drawn

every time

>>3271870
Start with "Perspective made easy" and "How to draw".
Then move on to loomis' "Figure drawing".

>>3271843
I redrew it. Green line is the new version. Does it look correct now?

>>3271510
read Bridgeman

>>3271914
*George B. Bridgman
Constructive Anatomy

is it okay to start from ctrlpaint or am i just gonna waste time there?
don't know a lick of how to even hold a pencil, just got a tablet from a friend as a present.

should i start with some books and traditional stuff first?

>>3270493
In what way is this dadaist

>>3271947
starting with digital is a mistake

use a pencil and a paper/sketchbook for a couple months to learn fundamentals, it's objectively easier on traditional media

read the fucking sticky for god's sake

>>3270830
>>3270831
your perspectives and angles are quite off, have you tried drawing it upside down, so you get a proper idea of drawing what you see rather than what you think you see.

>>3271651
Did you reference a photo of from your own head?

Halfway through dynamic sketching week 4, here are warm-ups first as usual.

>>3271783
yeah I should.

>>3271785
english is not my first language ^^

Halfway through dynamic sketching week 4, warm-ups first as usual.

>>3272116
And the actual exercise of week 4 with the added object drawing I decided to do. I can say, free handing perspective is tough shit.

>>3272116
>>3272117
Lookin' good famb

brown pill me

>>3272160
forgot to 1000x1000 here's the low res one

>>3272161
very good. technically sound

>>3272186
anon the goal isn't to make me blush its to make me feel bad.
Tell me what's wrong with it!

>>3272190
Nothing. You're ready to go pro

>>3272190
Not that anon, but the anatomy in general is messed up. I think it's pretty obvious tho — the kind of thing you could have figured out by yourself. Self criticism is important when drawing.

>>3271230
Will do. Sometimes I rush for no reason. I'll pay more attention to that.

>>3272037
Only did that with the Stravinsky portrait. Should try doing it again I suppose.

>>3272161
blog?

>>3272201
Oh you were being sarcastic lol

>>3272203
I get that, this has been through a lot of revisions, i dont really post here unless i can't seem to fix what's wrong with it

>>3272205
I don't have one, won't get one until i get better either because it would be embarrassing to look at.

help, just fucking wreck me if you need to because i need help
also how do you practice perspective on human figures, cuz that's kinda what i really wanna learn and some practices, activities or fundamentals revision that i could do could be real helpful. here's basically a current summary of my skill, i think: https://i.imgur.com/MVvIv98.png

https://youtu.be/4Gc1zAMxKwc

yes i did
for absolute beginner who never drawn in life
i'm not even trolling

>>3272224
Okay.

>>3272218
Just to be clear. What do you mean by "perspective on human figures"?

>>3272238
my dumb ass forgot the word foreshortening

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWLaDSNBAI

This might be of help? Foresgortening with the coil method.

>>3272258
>foresgortening

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWLaDSNBAI

>>3272118
Thanks bruh.

>>3270084
That's hot

>>3270260
I don't know what you mean. It looks good. Especially those hands

Can I go from zero to being able to draw basic anime styled porn in 1 month practicing about 2 hours a day?

>>3270836
>>3270834
These have a very nice style. Keep going!

>>3272311
>can i get good after 60 hours?
No.
You are stupid enough to ask such retarded questions, so you will need at least 600 hours, most likely more.

>>3272311
Find it out

Is there a book path I can follow starting at a zero point towards mastery? My long-term goal is to achieve pic related. I understand that the fundamentals must be mastered before I even attempt to achieve the goal. I just wanted to ask for a bit of guidance to make sure I'm headed in the right direction.

>>3272342
The board sticky is a starting point.

drawings hands.. still cant get the look, kinda looks off, but im slowly getting there... need more milage

>>3269976
I did a thing.

>>3271914
HNNNNGGG....

>>3271896
ya but the old perspective was more interesting.

>>3272366
How to get from this to >>3272218 or >>3271475

>>3272391
i think you need to draw 100's of hands, im slowly getting better myself, dont use reference and just draw from your mind. after session review your drawings.
Its kinda sad i need like 40mins to draw 4hands that looks like shit, but some other guy can whip out 10hands in 2mins, that looks organic and completely good.

>>3272366
Have in mind that fingers don't look like squishy sausages. Add some curves.

>>3272407
damn they do look like sausages.ty

Something is wrong with my eyes... Its almost infuriating how easy it is to spot mistakes once the images are put together.

Crit/Redline anyone?

>>3272436
try adding shading, that might be the reason eyes look off

>>3272436
Too much focus on her bottom eyelid for the left one, in fact. You basically did the opposite for each eye. The bottom eyelid is more visible on the right side while the left one is less visible. Also your nose, mouth, the whole bottom right side of her face is extending a bit outwards. It needs to be more flat starting from the cheek bone. Her lips need to be rotated a bit too. Chin needs to be more rounded on the right side. Her eye needs to be pulled up above her eye level and about to her eyebrow level. Her pupils are off from the reference too.

>>3272439
Lel, sorry, I meant my eyes are wrong, as in I'm seeing things weird, not the eyes of the drawing. As far as the drawing, thanks, I will definitely do that, but I doubt it'll fix it, so many things are wrong now that I see them side by side.

im still a /beg/gar but ive been doing muh gestures for some time now. however, they're still less than perfect. with this being said, im out of paper to do it with. am i able to "practice" them with a mouse for the time being until i can buy some more?

>>3271162

Can you stop derailing /beg/'s? Do you even know what Key's all about?

Complaining about shit but don't even try to actually read the damn book. You're the kind of fuckass the goes on some thread and see some anon said "it's a meme" and immediately thinks it's wrong.

Try it first otherwise you're just spouting nonsense. If there's something in that book or the book in it's entirety is pointless. Come here and point it out. I'll gladly spend some time to answer your question.

>>3272450
Wont do you any good, but go ahead knock yourself out.
I guess you could do them on a whiteboard, fridge or a window if you have a spare marker lying around.

>>3272463
thanks friend; i'll give them a shot next time; but this time with a much longer session

>>3272436
I know it's shitty (ms paint is the only resource I have rn), but look at the lines. Angles, distance between them etc. Look at where the ear starts and ends, at the angles of the mouth and eyes...

There's more mistakes, but those are the ones that are more apparent for me.

Critpls

>>3272507
Well it's a body of some sorts alright, I'd say keep doing what you're doing, and when you're bored of your shit looking fucking tame start drawing actual people.

Drew a cat's eye, tips and critiques please.

>>3272499
stop fucking measuring like that and draw. draw until you get it right. you people need to stop trearing drawing as if it was a math excercise. it's fucking art, not juggling with measurements.

>>3272499
stop fucking measuring like that and draw. draw until you get it right. you people need to stop treating drawing as if it was a math excercise. it's fucking art, not juggling with measurements.

>>3272534
>>3272536
What did he mean by this?

>>3272532
Looks like a horse anus.

How is my painting. Any crit?

>>3272549
How is my painting.. any crit?

>>3272549
>How is my painting. Any crit?
first of all, don't fucking call it YOUR painting. it's a copy of that Frazetta painting.

second, tilt your fucking photos the right way before you upload

>>3272552
It’s a copy so what don’t get your panties in a twist

>>3272553
than state clearly that it's a fucking copy, you /beg/tier little cunt. and it sucks balls as a copy, you've fucked up the proportions and details.

>>3272554
Eat shit bitch

>>3272554
what a smarmy little shit, fuck off and go post your shitty crab scribbles in your ego inflation thread.

>>3272559
>>3272563
if there's anything i hate, it's fucking ngmi "creative" people who don't give credit to the reference.

>>3272566
Don't have to be such a rude shit about it. Christ.

>>3272541
How do you know? Do you fuck horses?

>>3272578
i reverse searched it and images of your mother on a bestiality site came up

>>3272453
Don't be mad that i exposed your ebin trolling scheme. It was too obvious in first place.
Better luck next time.

>>3272534
Oh. But anon, his (or her) goal was to make the drawing resemble the photo. If angles and distances aren't right, the drawing isn't right. I just drew the lines so he could see the mistakes easily and try to "get it right" the next time.

>>3272586
Lol I see, fuck off tho.

>>3272318
I don't need good, I only need good enough to half draw shit for a /weg/

>>3272329
I guess it's a fair enough answer

>>3272603
>I don't need good.
Then it will be 0 hours. You are good to go.
There are already enough half assed wegs with shitty art, you will be right at home.

alright guys, could you help me out here? I need some advice on the fingers and forearm, the forearm is supposed to be cylindrical.

>>3272737
Kinda hard to tell what's going on here, mind posting the full image? Without the UI getting in the way, of course.

>>3272742
>>3272737
Okay. Here's a clean view of everything...

>>3272747
All you really need to do is make the fingers larger. Like at least 1.5x as big.

>>3272754
Thanks. Like this?

>>3271884
There are no feet in the reference picture, but I kept ruining the hand so I got rid of it. My hand mannequin came in the mail today so It'll help me practice

>>3272397
>>3272391
>>3272366
Drew these hands recently https://i.imgur.com/BjdMnuX.png
Not 100% but way better than these hands from 31/08/2017 https://i.imgur.com/rS8jnqR.jpg
I've said this a couple of times but I:
1. Copied out the right page of https://www.artsartreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Andrew-Loomis-Drawing-the-Head-and-Hands-123-1024x726.png (Loomis hands)
If you copy it out and it doesn't look anything like it, trace the hands until you get it right and then do it by eye flipping/rotating
2. Drew about 20 hands off some photos
3. Drew a fuckload more hands off some photos from pinterest
4. Realise that Krenz and that pixiv guy did some great hands and then every time I want to draw a hand I open those hands up and reference them applying that STYLE of hand drawing to the photo study → add more curves in the lines
5. Draw my hands in the airport very shittily for about 2 hours and try to draw people within a few seconds in a public place
6. Croquis cafe hands on a timer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxG-J8GSqqE
7. More fanart drawn using animu hand references from https://twitter.com/jennygin2 in the meantime for those four months/plus general gesture grinding while copying vilppu's looseness. Also some hands referenced from those hyperangle poses

I got an H420 randomly for Christmas and I downloaded Krita and I did this while looking at a picture. Thoughts?

>>3272588

>Obvious troll

Speak for yourself.

>>3272773
Yep, much better.

>>3272536
I go back and forth on this. Being anal about measuring can show you just how much you're missing when you observe things. But probably the most important thing when you're /beg/ is just moving your pencil, regardless of what and how you're drawing.

>>3272747
Everything about this is cancer. I would recommend you just drop everything and only copy from models/reference pictures for a good couple of months. You need to get better taste and you need to apply more exacting standards to your own work.

>>3272588
> not actually describing why keys is bad because you realize they were right

Sorry for only posting weaboo-tier lewds but that's the only thing I get the motivation to really try to finish
Can't afford lessons, got a bunch of pencils, but have no clue how to use each one so I just stick to a 0.5 criterium, eraser and decent grade paper.

Currently reading the big sticky, do you guys have a clue about what to check first when you only want to draw figures and really basic backgrounds ?

Also, am I doomed and I'd better stop and make something better with my time like gardenning ? I'm reaaaally slow to draw so time is a bit of a concern

Pic related, is my latest stuff, only top left is still WIP (even if I'd like to try using screentones for a bit)

>>3272987
what the fuck. never post here again.

>>3272987
Better than most people here. Try drawing more full bodies.

>>3272992
Will do to get my proportions right after a bit of reading on it !

>>3272989
Why so angery anon ?

>>3269976

>>3273072
Thoughts?

>>3273072
she's a thot

>>3273072
>>3273078
her boobs look too close together/too small, which sounds funny but they look like they come out from the front of her chest

look at this pic and see how the breast connects almost on the side of the body and it flows up to the shoulder? try that

>>3272532
not sure what this style is but im not sure if i like it. the overall eye is too round, and so it ends up looking like an animal's anus. point the inside and outside of the eye *juuuust* a touch

can someone give advice on daily routines? For context, I've been trying to work through hampton's figure drawing book; as one step in this, i've tried to crank out 100 iterations of his head construction, which seems like it should have been fucking easy but took me like almost 3 months because between wageslavery and all my other drawing dailies (straight line exercises, ellipses, copying anime girls, copying 3d shit) it was just extremely hard to find the time and energy. I'm realizing that I have some deficiencies in my fluency with perspective, so want to pick up some additional exercises on that front, and also want to start dabbling with color, which means more daily exercises, but my daily routine is already pushing me way past reasonable bedtimes. Any advice please? Do I just accept that I won't be thinking about color for another 12 months?

>>3273130
those are b-cups? holy fuck

>>3273130
Here's a tip I learned from Anatomy for Artists, a class I took in college:

Female breasts are around 90 degrees (can vary a lot) from each other, on the centerline, looking from above, centered on the spine. If you see one nipple straight on, the other one will always be in profile. Weight, and breast size can influence that, but when young, a woman's breasts will sit like that on her chest. Laying flat will change that, as the breasts will fall to the sides of the ribcage, but standing up, they will be at angles to each other.

Too many of you use porn actresses with implants, or draw women with push up bras, and don't get how real breasts work.

>>3273148
They're on the larger end of the b cup scale. I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience with boobs in real life, once you've been around some you can gauge size better.

She's also really young, so they're a lot firmer, which can influence how they look. A b cup of a 18 year old is a completely different thing from the b cup of a 40 year old.

All women's breasts can change size during the month, too, my last serious gf had A/B cups, B when she was on or near her period, A the rest of the time.

>>3273165
See, I asked that because I was pretty concerned that I was drawing specific characters with bigger breasts than their intended size. Give a round of applause for America's shitty sex education.

>>3273130
Thanks you!

>>3273158
Thanks!

What the pic says.

How do I make something look 3 dimensional without compulsively laying down lines of shading to indicate verticality or curvature, etc?

Always had trouble colouring stuff.
They always look so bland and unnatural

>>3271678
maybe try limiting the amount of lines you create when feeling out the form? these gestures feel generally messy.
>>3271723
the gesture to the right has chicken legs, probably because you're focused on the outline and not the flow of the gesture

I can't even do it with a grid and a line tool in one. In my defense, it's super hard to tell which lines are going to which vanishing point at some places. Or maybe I'm just a dumb fuck and I wont make it.

>>3273285
Practice makes perfect anon.
Don't expect it to be perfect, or even decent, on your first try.
It's a complex subject, it's going to take a lot of practice and time to really get it down.
Be patient, you'll get it in time.

>>3273285
If only there were an EASY way to learn perspective.

>>3273300
>>3273296
I may have been overdramatic, I apologize. I have studied in very vaguely, then did the stupid thing and tried to just skip ahead to drawing porn (because that's what I started for.) So some part of my brain wants to tell me I should be already good at this, though I know better in reality. Still, it feels like hitting a wall. The concepts seem so easy when observing and learning from videos, etc., but then actually trying to practice and employ them at first is a kick in the face.

I'm gonna keep working at it though.

>>3273301
>So some part of my brain wants to tell me I should be already good at this, though I know better in reality.
That's fairly normal. Happens to me as well.
Sometimes you just need someone to remind you to be patient and keep practising.

h-how am I doing?

>>3273314
symbol drawing galore

>>3273314
You tell me anon.

>>3273334
Practice proportions!

I'm an absolute beginner. Can someone explain to me what Symbol drawing actually means?

>>3273363

read >>3271100

I didn't know what symbol drawing was either and google search didn't help because all I got was how to draw symbols. The quoted picture explains it well however.

>>3273363
When you draw what you think you see instead of what is actually there

>>3273365
Thanks friend the picture made me understand it a lot better

I feel that I'm regressing anons how do I stop it?

>>3273393
Lay off the anime

>>3273365
so this person said >>3273330 "symbol drawing galore"
Is the symbol negative or bad?

>>3273393
Get out of your comfort zone.

>>3272499
>>3272444
This is the last revision, thanks for the help everyone. I know that it isn't measured all that well, I hardly did any measuring, I was hoping I'd find out why the heck I distort drawings so much, it almost looks like its drawn from a more vertical angle than the reference shows, but it is what it is. I'll post the ref in the following post if anyone wants to give it a go.

>>3273256
Line weight can imply depth, lines at the bottom (or ones that are closer to you) are always darkest, soft angles are always thin and light. Just practice and eventually you will internalize the drawing of form and depth and it will stop being a problem. You have to think though, not just blind repetition.

>>3273397
Not him, but symbol drawing is bad, everyone does it at one point and to a certain extent. It relates to shortcuts your mind imposes on forms, especially ones that have to do with faces. Your brain is amazingly sensitive to facial features, to a point where it recognizes them in clouds/patterns etc. This means that the brain is tuned to quickly make things that resemble facial features ACTUALLY look like them to your mind. That's why when you are drawing and you've made mistakes (like I did in my drawing) the image can still "look good" to you, your mind fills in the gaps and discrepancies, essentially frustrating attempts to improve it. That's why /ic/ parrots "grinding fundies" so much. Understanding the underlying anatomy of the face/body will make it easier for you to recognize this and fix it.

>>3273409
The ref.

>>3273409
My mum loves autistically measuring, she drew those detailed sculpt things like the bargue plates during her stint as a pretty pro artist and apparently they spent weeks shading em.

Source on OP pic reference?

Absolutely hated how this came out

>>3273447
ayy lmao

>>3273447
cool nose breh

>>3273447
You dont need to judge your drawings, and even less when starting out.
Why dont you switch subjects for a while? Try out some still life and then come back and do another head. I was the first one to skimp on drawing still life, and now Im sure it is pivotal to gitting gud.

>>3273130
I tried sending this picture to a friend over facebook messenger and I literally couldn't, the picture would pop up for a few seconds and then get deleted every time.

>>3272040
from head

>>3273498
He's a big guy

>>3273501
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>>3273510
Are you fishing for asspats?

Should I give up painting

>>3272507
honestly i could almost fap to that, its not bad

My eyes are fucked.

I'm trying to develop my own art style and eyes are the worst part for me.

>>3273300
Where is Perspective Made Hard?

>>3273529

>I'm trying to develop my own art style

Stop it. It's the last thing you should be worrying about right now, and any "style" you develop as a beginner will be a bad one anyway.

>>3273529
>Chasing style.

>>3273534
>>3273535

Alright. Maybe I should clarify. I'm tired of the lazy "Tumblr art style" and I'm not looking to draw manga or realistic stuff. Personally, would just like to draw a person that I think up at any given time.

Now, eyes?

>>3272551
sir all i can suggest is that keep on working, until your painting looks very similar or has the same likeness as your reference but currently I really like your style no jokes. Keep up the good work

>>3273539
>would just like to draw a person that I think up at any given time.
Sounds like some lame ass oc shit to me.

>>3273514
no, keep going. watch some draw mix paint on youtube.

>>3273525
some of the constructions are looking good of the animals, but some are really stiff. the calf walking towards us has a lot of issues with the front legs and head being face-on.

i feel that a lot of your constructions makes the figures too static. you could use some more gesture and looseness under the figures to explore the lines of action. the other issue is inconsistency of line weights. if you keep going over the same place you might have gotten one good curve but it's completely lost among all the others, and you're not using the weight to accentuate anything

>>3273534
>/ic/ actually believes that people should draw muh realism on every occasion before drawing stupid anime pictures
This is why I don't come here.

>>3273510

>>3273562
thanks, better go about gesture then

made this from memory https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Sculpture_Wotangruppe_Lower_Saxony_State_Museum_Planckstrasse_Mitte_Hannover_Germany_01.jpg

>>3273583
anon, that right arm. try doing that yourself and see how it feels/what happens. not even comparing it to the actual statue.

How is my stretch? I feel like I made the head a little too big.

>>3273553
Thank you sir :) ;) will keep trying

>>3269976
Im new. First digital art, whatcha think?

>>3273573

how is this? this is my first time trying out something like this where theres no black lines or anything.

I'm reading the how to draw with the right side of the noggin and just got to the perspective part.
Are there any other resources about perspective I can check out cause it sure is giving me some trouble.

>>3273697
perspective drawing made easy, robertson's how to draw, loomis

Acoustic guitar study, where did I go wrong on perspective? I was using an isometric grid for the basis
1/2

>>3273713

>>3273713
>perspective
>isometric
Pick one.

>>3273721
what?

>>3273713
the most obvious thing to me is the fact that there's uneven negative space on either side of the hole in the center which makes it look off-kilter

>>3273724
yh, when I expanded the sides, the curve for the bigger bottom section became more like an oval on the left side, there's clearly something really wrong with how I've approached this

>>3273714
Proportions of the sides are fucked up. You didn't multiply width correctly.

I'm 23, no job and no education and no friends. I have nothing that makes me want to wake up in the morning so i just lie in my bed trying to sleep, i know this is not healthy. I try to draw, and really want to learn the skill but i am way below /beg/ and cant get past symbol drawing and it makes me so sad that it fills me with despair every time i pick up the pencil.
I used to be heavy into maths and science, but that seems like an empty life for me now, I want to learn to see and appreciate the beauty around me and be able to put it down on paper. I think the reason i get so sad when drawing is because i've put it up on some kind of pedestal where its the only goal in life worth pursuing, and when i feel like i'll never learn it it just gets so depressing.

I quit porn and fapping, threw out my home internet, no tv, no junk food, i go for a jog every day since i read all of this should help depression, but it just seems like i'll never get out of it.

I feel like a child who cant read, who just keeps looking in books trying to figure out what all these letters mean. I wish i had the same mental strength that most of you have to keep drawing and learning despite the failures.

how do I learn to draw from my shoulder?

I've always used my wrist and wanted2learn how to gesture draw, then I found out I need to draw from my shoulder.

but I just can keep doing it, I always go back to using my wrist. anyone got any tips?

I feel retarded and super frustrated :(

>>3273734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM39qhXle4g

>>3273734
Nice blog.

But if i have to answer seriously, i would recommend you to start reading books. If you were heavy into math and science, it shouldn't be hard for you to start with construction. Because it's essentially math.
Don't even bother with perception drawing and other shitty memes.
Read "Perception Made Easy" to get a basic sense of things.
After that read roberston's "How to Draw". Practice techniques from the book, it's very important. Just understanding things is not enough, you should be able to execute them too. Precisely controlling lines is not easy, but don't give up.
After you finish these two books, you are ready for Loomis. Start with his "Figure Drawing".

>>3273741
>Perception Made Easy
I'd read that.

I made a shaded version too, but I feel this flat colored one looks better.

critique if you must.

>>3273742
Then proceed to "how to draw".
PME aged quite a bit, so don't focus on it too much. It's there just to give you a basic sense. Just understanding every chapter is enough.

>>3273734
sounds rough, I don't know if this will help you but whenever I lose motivation, I draw and fap to my own art exclusively
if you can only fap to your own art, your sex drive and your will to practice are one and the same

>>3273734
You need to do cbt

>>3273746
The hands don't appear as palms, but instead as backhands. Make your thumbs stick out more and stop slacking on fingers. They are not all the same length.
Breasts are too high up.
Bellybutton should be a single short line instead of two, it makes it look more like someone pushed in a rubber ball.
Vivian doesn't look alive with her lack of expression and apparent gaze towards nothing.
And I don't care how much you love Vivian porn, nobody's thighs should ever be that shiny.

It would be better if you redrew the whole thing instead of applying fixes for the existing piece, you'll need to draw in a much smaller canvas for the sake of convenience.

>>3273746
I forgot one thing:
Shorten her neck.

>>3273788
Thanks for the critique. I should add however that the hands were supposed to be drawn as backhands. I should also provide the ref I used to help me draw this, since it's how I sketched out the breasts/bellybutton.

>>3273843
In that case, the hand is inverted and thus she possesses two left hands.

>>3273884
>>3273884
>>3273884

>>3273884
>>3273884
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>>3273884
>>3273884
>>3273884

Awkward

I took a break of two days
but I’m back
Trying tu push the form I will try again. It looks awkward

This exercise is from villpu videos

So after studying Keys to Drawing, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Fun with a Pencil I wanted to try out Figure Drawing by Loomis.

I'm having a bit of a hard time figuring out where to start with the book. It first introduces some basic stuff like how many heads fit into a human's body, then it suddenly jumps into perspective without explanation and after several of those pages there's the part titled: WE BEGIN TO DRAW: FIRST THE MANIKIN FRAME. So is that where I'm supposed to start? What about all the previous stuff? Will it be referenced later?

>>3273722
isometric and perspective projections are two entirely different things. if youre drawing something in isometric there will be no perspective. ie stop using isometric grids

>>3272987
I just love how the one in the bottom right corner is like: WTF am I looking at?