/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

which would be the best way to study leg anatomy? Hampton doesn't really go in depth with it.

Also are the Force books good?

>>3258446
Do i really need to learn all the muscle shit? it seems to be useless unless you're drawing naked people.

>>3258490
You'd need it when you draw legs, or arms, or are you just going to cover up your characters in robes?

>>3258490
I used to think the same as you

>do i really need to learn all of this bullshit? i just want to draw cute anime girls!

That was me about a 2 years ago, i thought that if i kept drawing everyday ill get better eventually, but that was not the case, eventually i was like "fuck all of this shit, im studying anatomy"

So first i picked up the loomis figure drawing book, i learnt the basics of construction and very basic anatomy(ribcage, pelvis, bones of the limbs and pectorals) in about a month my art gains skyrocketed. I was amazed that knowing the internal structure of the figure could help so much (looking back it should of been pretty obvious)

in that year i pretty much surpassed my own expectations, from your typical teenager who drew for fun to getting freelance offers weekly.

Since you seem like a /beg/, try out michael hampton, he shows you how to simplify the figure with boxes(not a meme for god sake) and use loomis figure drawing for proportions(the rest of the info there is very good as well)

Good luck anon!

>pic related shows the importance of anatomy even in anime

>>3258526
Are we talking real jobs or commissions from nobodies.

>>3258526
That's interesting. Can you post an example of your work?

what muscles is Hampton grouping together under the iliac crest? is it a good way of simplifing?

>>3258596

No.

>>3258601
why not?

How do I get this good at anatomy?

Why don't you fucks just draw.

>>3258596

That's the gluteus medius and the femur cut off at the neck.

made these muscle-y sketches for a weekly goal thing. im struggling with hips and how everything connects to them.

wich is a recommended book for a /beg/?

>>3258772
None, best thing a /beg/ should do is draw from life.

>>3258772
hampton

>>3258764
what helps me alot is knowing the insertions of the muscles, use biodigital

>>3258660
with that advice, we'll end up as chrischan, we can't just aimessly draw

>>3258772
most books aside from observation ones (keys to drawing, right side) are useless for /beg/

go draw from life for like three months

>>3258772
you would want to get some miliage down first, get combortable with your tools, try to place what you see on paper

are those drawn from memory or using a ref

>>3258814
>>3258764

>>3258814
>>3258815
top left is referenced, rest are from imagination.

>>3258802
i know the insertions well enough (biodigital and human anatomy atlas are godsends), its just when the hip tilts and turns that i lose sight of where everything goes. probably need to study simplified hips from all angles to get comfortable with it.

>>3258764
You are really good, could you show how do you make the initial gesture for the poses? The roughest draft?

>>3258772
valerie winslow classic human anatomy

>>3258660
have you heard of the concept of deliberate practice? if you just draw you will eventually plateau. if you want to improve you have to be able to honestly look at your work, see what you suck at and needs improving (anatomy, composition, values, drapery, expressions, color.....), then study that.
just like most people that pick up the piano or tennis stop getting better after about 20 hours,because they "just play".
read the book PEAK by Ericsson

>>3258764
what books do you study from

>>3258850
>have you heard of the concept of deliberate practice? if you just draw you will eventually plateau. if you want to improve you have to be able to honestly look at your work, see what you suck at and needs improving (anatomy, composition, values, drapery, expressions, color.....), then study that.
People already do that normally if they draw. It's the faggots who don't draw that don't even understand the process.

>>3258851
from my experience a great many people actually don't do that - especially if they are from the sightsize camp

>>3258616
Just study bodybuilders hardcore. Not to discredit this dude but the proportions are realistic (meaning easy reference material to study from) and the angle isn't very dynamic

>>3258851
In all fields not just art people don't use deloberate practice. That's why most people aren't good at anything. Take league of legends most people are silver elo because they just play however even the amallest bit of discipline and deloberate practice will get you gold elo top 20% of players

>>3258850
>what books do you study from
hampton was a huge eye-opener. aside from his lectures, a lot of varied sources. nowadays i just look at and copy from reference images.

>>3258831
top figure is from imagination. bottom is from ref. i just put in volumes and shapes that match the forms i want as quickly as possible so i can start fleshing out forms and make corrections (i make a ton of proportion errors). lots of use of the undo button in those early stages.

>>3258850
That bit on deliberate practice resonates with me, good advice

>>3258526
Construction like this always confuses me. It looks so different to how Hampton and Vilppu etc do it. Is the green part right below the purple supposed to be a slightly exaggerated, wide hip bone or is it the external obliques? Maybe it even says it in that very image in japanese.

Pic related is another example where I can't tell where the obliques in relation to the pelvis are supposed to be. It's just one shape.

>>3258909
Obviously, it's the "hip bone". The obliques are also with the other abs since there's hardly any reason to separate them. You do know where the obliques ends/connects right? It's like where the illiac crests are, which is why they all cut off there.

>>3258909

This figure is drawn like a action figure/mannequin. I think the intention is to suggest a way to visualize the interlocking volumes rather than to be a anatomical dissection. The green part is like a swimsuit from the back, cutting in to the buttocks. It doesn't correspond to any anatomical landmarks obviously.

>>3258764
>>3258885
Nice stuff, do you have a blog?

>>3258909
SIMON!!!

>>3258930
wtf are you smoking, that's namajake not simon. they look nothing alike

>>3258912
>You do know where the obliques ends/connects right?

Well, I thought I did. But that's why those japanese figure constructions confuse me so much. Most western anatomy teachers show the external obliques as a fairly pronounced shape that kind of bulges out to the side and then connects to the illiac crest, especially in a pinched pose, similar to that anime girl it's usually very visible. But if you look at >>3258526, the bulging shape is all the green area. So is this a stylistic choice the artists make, where the hip bone is just really large and starts very high up (green area) and the obliques are very small (part of the purple area)? Or is the green bulging shape a simplification of both the obliques and the pelvis? I don't see how it's as obvious as you say it is.

>>3258932
合体だ!!!

>>3258940
It's a shape simplification.
Remember that the oblique have two sections. The top arc-like border of that green area marks the top end of the bottom section.

The left green dotted line is the pelvis

>>3258928
https://basnip-sfw.tumblr.com/ not much there. hoping to be more active this year though.

>>3258944
>>3258912

So which one of these is it? Sorry if I'm being a bit autistic here, but the way some artists construct the lower body just confuses the shit out of me. I can't tell what's a stylistic choice, what's just natural differences between people with different sized hip bones and what's the actual anatomical landmarks.

>>3258964
Anymore like this?

>>3258964
>>3258940
There's this thing called fat, it smooths everything out, especially on women.
Those jap diagrams aren't concerned with individual muscles and bones, they just explain the surface forms.

It's common among popular artists, they don't go too in depth on anatomy and jump sooner into rendering, design, and start producing finished work. They overcome problems as they approach them, eg. draw a thing, this area looks off, study the area, finish the thing.
/ic/ is more like - study the thing, study it some more to be able to draw it sometime in the distant future, rinse and repeat.

>>3258964
You nailed it in the leftmost one. The middle one can work if you want to stylize and design it that way, but it's not what the original picture is saying. The right one is just incorrect

>>3258850
You can't deliberately practice if you don't practice at all. Also...
>>3258851
This guy is not me.

Alright lads, I need some help over here. Started drawing this mostly from imagination (basic contrapposto), I want to draw a pose where the subject is holding a rifle (hence the arm position), however I am stumped when it comes to the legs, I even took pictures of my own legs in the position, and can't seem to get the feel right, can someone help me out here? Preferably redline it, I would be eternally grateful.

Sorry for the huge filesize, on very slow machine, can't scale right now.

>>3259060
Serves me right,scaled it, and rotated it (hopefully)

>>3259066
ill redline when i get back home

>>3259060
>>3259066
Not thinking in 3d

>>3258446
When should I start getting into anatomy? What are the prerequisites? I want to get decent at it as soon as I can, maybe draw some porn for some quick cash, when I'll reach that point I'll start working on other shit to become an all around better artist, but my first objective is anatomy.

I think that construction requires some good knowledge of basic shapes, in fact it's whay I'm grinding right now, but when I'll understand that I'm ready and done with them? What's the objective when it comes to said basic shapes?

>>3259430
Thanks.
>>3259453
Actually, that's what I've figured but can't seem to fix it.

>>3259456
keep drawing & gain more knowledge
think in light and shade rather than lines

takes a little bit of time, but youll get there eventually

>>3259454
I recommend doing perspective before anatomy. Erik Olson has a nice course on perspective

>>3259458
Before kind Anon redlines, I made an attempt with the legs, I think they're half decent. Also filed in some spaces with lines to figure out the shape of the muscles, mainly to drill it into my head.

Thoughts?

>>3259517
Isn't that too advanced? I asked around /ic/ and some people told me that they never used more than 2 points perspective.

>>3259545
most of ic is /beg/, look at the perspective drawings done by krenz

>>3259545
If your noob start with Perspective Made Easy or Marshall Vandruff Perspective series

>>3258616
this shit has to be traced.
it's impossible to move all those muscles at the same time.

>>3259545
If you do episodes 1-10 of his course, as is recommended in Aguri's guide, that is only one and two point. I don't know, it's up to you, but in my opinion going into depth with perspective from the start really helped. Erik Olson's course gave me real confidence in using 3D space in my drawings, rather than just teaching me a few easy tips on using perspective like most quicker courses.

>>3259537
I think the hips are slightly too narrow, or rather that it seems like he's missing portions of his hip.

>>3259537
got home man, working on the redline

>>3259653
>>3259537

forgot to mention that after mastering the basics of perspective use loomis for head,proportions and simplification of the ribs,pelvis and spine, then pick up hampton and anatomy4sculptors to expand further in anatomy

Im starting my year from the basics because my attempts at dynamic character poses are unsatisfactory. So here's the human figure in a couple basic poses. Are they okay?

>>3259698
Your redline is all sorts of wrong. Also

To the other guy, you don't need to watch a 900 hour perspective series before learning anatomy. A basic college course should suffice for complete understanding. Or read PME in the meantime.

>>3259720
well i still do consider myself a /beg/, mind telling me what can i improve on judging by my redline?

btw are there any good sources for leg anatomy?, hampton doesn't cover it in detail

>>3259713
the muscles that you have drawn are all symmetrical, especially the legs, pick up hampton's book, he explained the asymmetry muscles

>>3259723
You're mistaken; Hampton covers it in great detail. I can only tell you to either actually go through it or pick another source.

>learn not to draw templates
>go back to drawing templates again with construction and anatomy

>>3259729
in any case, do you know another great source for legs? I find them much harder to draw then arms.

>>3259594
Good catch, I fixed the right side of the hips where the femur joins the pelvis, the line was too sharp and made it look wonky.
>>3259698
Thanks for the effort, however, I can see you misinterpreted parts of my drawing, the hand on the left (trigger hand) in your redline is foreshortened (towards the viewer), although I didn't use a ref per se, I did strike the pose in the mirror a couple of times and drew it as I saw it (it being more vertical), same goes for the opposite hand, your hand is at almost a 90 degree angle (as if its holding something heavy), whereas in actuality, when viewed from the side, this hand is also much more vertical.

I also don't see how perspective is really an issue, sure some muscles might not be inserted as best they can be, but I think there isn't anything particularly jarring.

This drawing is meant to be practice so I can understand the forms, I will completely redraw it for the final work (mostly above the hips, due to compositional issues) on a bigger worksheet.

Finally, I "redlined" it myself, drew the underlying skeleton (which I had in mind when I started the drawing), to see if something got skewed along the way. To my eyes it is "generally" okay, but that might be due to my brain fixing some errors without me noticing. So anyone willing can critique this last pic, again, bear in mind that this isn't a hard study, just pre-work for another piece.

>>3259753
Forgot the picture, of course.

Showed this in the /Beg/ thread. They told me to go study my anatomy more. I've been studying anatomy more, but I can't find out what I need to do. What am I doing wrong?

>>3259757
torso too long
arms too short

>>3259757
read all the other posts on this thread, pretty much sums up what you have to do

>>3259769
Got it. Thanks.

>>3259698
his penis is friccen cute and distracting

Since my place here doesn't have any ateliers or even the community ones (as expected from agriculture/oil-driven economy), so I take suggestion from book and anons here to study from life. I'm thinking of going to a local gym (and will pay for membership of course) for the studies. Will it be weird if I asked their consent to be my model or just be myself, an autist that lacks of social skill, sit at the corner and "draw from life" without those gym rats knowing/consent? If that's socially unacceptable, how much do you pay for a model on average? If I'm paying for prostitutes to be the naked model, will it do the trick?
>please add this to the sticky

>>3260075
i go to the gym, everyone there is very egocentric, there always thinking about themselves and trying to look good to others, i'm sure there not even going to be aware of you if you were there

>>3258885
Blockish gestures, contrary to everything I've been thought yours develop into surprisingly dynamic poses. Where did you learn gesture drawing? I've only read Hampton and and watched Proko, and both promote a very constant bean-esque figure.

>>3260155
>>3260155
>Where did you learn gesture drawing?
hard to pin it down, really. i tried different methods but this just feels natural to me. its all basically what steve huston does in this clip ( https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg?t=4542 ), but applied to whole figures drawn from imagination. i do it really sloppily because i can't visualize the pose very clearly in my head, so getting it down on paper quickly becomes a priority -- that way i can see if the pose is working in like a minute or two.

>>3260135
>implying that egocentric people aren't always checking to see how many eyes are on them

I just want to learn to draw people, not become a medical anatomy expert, what do I need to learn in that case?

>>3260355
the superficial muscles, which is every "anatomy for the artist" book

Anyone know where I can access some of the Hampton lectures? Much thanks.

>>3260355
honestly, just learn how the joints work, then the surface muscles that affect how the body look as it moves. Other than that you need to practice forms. Forms are the major problem and they rarely get covered in books.

>>3260348
Interesting approach, I'll give it a go, you can tell it pays off, thanks for replying, anon.

I'm new here, where can I download a pack of pictures of nude models so I can practice offline?

Ekh.. some day, soon enough.

>>3260826
Artbook thread.

What's the consensus on posemaniacs?

>>3260984
i used to use it, but i find that using yt videos and pausing is much better, search for karate fights and stuff and you get some pretty dynamic posing.

>>3260984
After some research I've found a lot of people complaining that it's highly inaccurate and results in stiff figures. If anyone knows of a better 3D anatomy website or program, it would be greatly appreciated

>>3261044
This looks really efficient in studying. Do you try to trace with just your memory of anatomy and relying on the visual information, or do you also look at anatomy diagrams while tracing over?

>>3261044
sauce on ref pics?

>>3258940
There's a book about anatomy that shows a lot of this kind of drawings, simple boxes and tubes, etc that later develop a detailed body, what book it is?

>>3260818
no problem. keep in mind that this kind of construction builds on a lot of figure study experience. i did a ton of simplified anatomy stuff like pic related to get a sense of the forms involved. if youre having a hard time with the construction method, it might be best to discard it and try again after you've gotten more experienced with anatomy.

>>3258446
Do you always need dynamic poses? A stiff pose isn't a wrong pose anyways is it?

I have been studying and copying the hampton book. But the chapter on arms is kinda bad. There isn't enough info on changes in muscles for supination/pronation etc. Anyone have some good anatomy info for arms?

>>3260712
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Sy8m04uF8

The channel has the rest of videos.

>>3261964
did you only learn the surface muscles?

>>3261763
99% of the time I use my memory of anatomy and try to call back the information I learned. I honestly don't enjoy bringing up references when doing this kind of practice and do exactly as you described, looking for visual cues or indicators. If I'm unsure about an area I'll draw it how I imagine it and when I'm finished I'll compare it to a diagram and see where I went wrong and make another drawing correcting it. That's just me

>>3261769
> mega.nz
> /#F!J3wHRY7b!oAiA7x9_ecPkCVCkCZW4ag

The images are from Scott Eatons Anatomy Course. I highly recommend it.
It's on cg peers. Should be named: Scott Eaton Artistic Anatomy for Digital Artists 2013

>>3262229
mostly. ive studied the skeleton as well but nowhere near as much. i looked at some of the underlying muscles of the back, but those have never really been useful to me when drawing.

I'm just beginning to study anatomy seriously from Bammes' book. how is it? what can I improve and understand the human skull?

>>3258526
studying anatomy so you can then ruin it with weeb animu bullshit

>>3262342
crab lul

Im starting to learn the anatomy from the legs, critique? Im not really confident with the forms ive drawn

>>3262369
some more anatomy traces

how can i find the greater trochanter in a reference?

>>3262369
placement looks good. it looks like you're not accounting for the fat in her legs, which i think is messing with your sense of proportion and shape for the muscle groups. try using athletes.

>>3262448
it's level with the groin, so just draw a straight line from there if it's visible.

>>3258446
What's the point of drawing all of those muscles ? You're all drawing titans ?

>>3262496
do you think Murata just invents the muscles?

heres some more anatomy traces, i used a street fighter model since the muscles are so well defined.

>>3262476
thanks for the advice anon

What's the best anatomy book in your opinion?

>>3262532

Scott Eaton course

>>3262532
Strength Training Anatomy 2nd Edition

>>3262532
hampton

>>3262554
Unironically this

>>3262592
lol no

>>3262532
goldfinger

>>3262599
That book looked like a meme last time I checked tbqph

>>3262592
ts not an anatomy book

critique? am i placing the muscles correctly?

What are some good teachers on construction? I have tried Hampton but there are downsides to his method. Vilppu annoys me to no end. Huston is behind a paywall of $600. Everyone else on nma teach in a way where they expect you to know something advanced beforehand. I just fucking want to draw figures in any perspective I want and have full control of everything like krenz. My only other option is to pay some chink cunt how to draw like them despite language barrier. But if that's what I have to do then so be It.

>>3262933
Hampton and Vilppu are the best of the best, if they can't help you. You're helpless. I think you should just pay a chinese man to help you.

>>3262938
I will do just that.

Guys. Was Proko wrong when he identified the whole part as the teres major in his premium clip?

>>3263060
A quick google search tells me that it isn't. You can just message him about it anyways.

>After a decade of drawing, just learned that spines are curved
I mean, a lot of that time wasn't spent drawing, but still. I feel fucking retarded.

>>3263087
To be fair, if you draw a stickman with a curved spine, it would look pretty retarded.

>>3261971
Yes because energy is always flowing. A stiff pose is basically a type of energy.

Should I read Hampton's D&I again? I've tried other books but not one seems to click with me as well as him.

>>3263371
That is a stupid question and I'm not going to tell you why.

Ive been looking for ways to simplify complex muscle groups like the ones on your external oblique and abdomen. If anyone is an expert on this stuff shoot.

>>3262522
Look by yourself on google, there are a lot of video of him working, you can see that he knows his muscles but he never does a thing geometric titan you're trying to learn. Pretty sure that he learnt anatomy with real models

>>3263376
Just a rando passing through but the lats wrap around teres major and lats are relatively lower than teres major too. The lats' endpoint is closer/more medial to the body while the teres major is a free spirit reaching for the stars

>Think of the teres major as trying to reach their goals in life and the lats are the chains of reality keeping it from escaping

>>3263376
>>3263545

>>3262330
what can I improve and understand the human skull?
Try studying skulls. It works.

>>3262330
>what can I improve and understand the human skull?
Try studying skulls. It works.

>>3262522
>those abs
Yes, I do

Going through Loomis' figure drawing. What are some good exercise to apply and memorize the theory found there? What are generally some good exercises to start getting into figure drawing?

>>3265384
Construct from references.

>>3265386
Ok thanks, another dumb question: what's the best way to do it? Best manikin for the form and gesture and best way to finish it?

Duh

>>3259757
needs a beard

>>3262622
sf games use stylized proportions -- not ideal for study, especially when you're learning the basics. placement looks okay to me

>>3258667
aka great trochanter

Holy fuck, backs confuse the hell out of me

>>3270131
same, i've taken anatomy and a figure drawing class but fuckin hell. i need to more properly memorize the muscles. like i know the general shape but i need to actually memorize these muscles.

>>3270438
wtf am i doing with those arms, holy shit brb fixing this

>>3270443
i need sleep. please lemme know how i'm doin. i don't feel like i'm exactly /beg/ level but i do need work.

>>3270448
I would get that overall form and gesture correct before you start diving in with the anatomy.

I've been doing an ecorche sculpture recently, which has helped me understand the layering of the muscles. And what you have to understand about the back is how much layering there is.

The trapezoid and the latissimus are both large, sweeping muscles, but they tend to blanket other muscles which give them their shape. Pay attention to the Rhomboid, the muscles of the Erector Spinae and the Serratus Posterior Inferior.

Why does it look so super wrong?

i just can put my finger on it.

>>3270862
Assuming this is the same anon,

Key problems?

- Form is off. Looks like you pieced it together as opposed to drawing the whole thing first and then figuring out the anatomy.

- Is very 2D feeling, large in-part due to the lack of dynamic line weight. (Thin lines where the light should be hitting her body, and thicc lines where there's suppose to be shadow)

- Proportions feel out of whack as well. The in the legs especially.

- Center of gravity feels off, like if you gently pushed her, she'd fall over.

Would help if you posted the reference though, fampai

Kinesiology is the shit

>>3270131
There are many layers of muscle

>>3270862
>>3270885
lol forgot to post the image

I am not that anon, sorry. But im sure he appreciate this details crit :)

(feels like I kinda fixed the f'd up anatomy i wanted 2 post the first time around

>>3270903
Ah, well for YOU then, look at pic related and before you read on, tell me what you think the problem is.

From what I can see, you don't have a solid enough understanding of anatomy. Which really shows when you draw big ol' muscle men, because there's no pleasant curves, for fatty deposits to hide your lack of knawledge behind.

For example, it looks like you drew the bicep as one big ellipse, it's not, even if it sort of looks that way. It's two meaty strips of muscle sitting on top of the Brachialis, which is helping push the the biceps out.

On top of that, it again comes down to stiffness, and lack of life and flow in his posing. If it's from your head, push the pose more, have him lean into his propped up leg or something.

>>3270936
Oh also, pay attention to the squash and stretch of the muscles. They aren't all bulging all the time. If he's flexing the biceps, those muscles will contract. The the triceps underneath well stretch out, and no be utilized.

Keep at it, look at figure artists you admire and keep asking yourself what's making yours NOT look like theirs.

>>3270936
>>3270946
holy shit tnx anon, thats some serious advise.

idk any figure artist, but im sure they wont be that hard to find.

seriously tnx for these crits anon, I will try to aply them all. bless u.

>>3270448
youre pretty much beg tier

is this correct?, im pretty much rotating the leg as a cylinder shape around the box which would be the pelvis like an action figure

>>3259755
your characters right thighs back is not connecting to the glutes but his crotch. which makes the thigh look fucked up and way too narrow, despite the bones being correct

anyone have a good resource/image specifically for drawing legs?

>>3260949
the construction is completely wrong. Try to think of the body as boxes, and then put more detail in the limbs.

>>3271008
Not much to critique, nothing seems egregiously wrong. But, this is also a construction study, so there aren't that many things in play for me to critique.

I will say that your form looks good and the lines show a degree of confidence.

>>3270131
Yeah me too, back is hard as fuck because of the way the muscles are layered I guess. practicing it on zbrush helps a lot tho.

>>3274111
>wasting time drawing muscle every muscle striation and fiber
Fucking why lad

>>3274125
good question, I don't know.

>>3274125
To feel the form

>>3274125
you're right, instead he could be shitposting on /ic/

Studyingfuck

I don't even know where to begin, I've been watching Proko vids, etc. I don't know exactly HOW to practice, how much to practice at a time, etc.

I don't know if I should focus on one limb at a time or what.

Any suggestions?

Should I do hampton's videos or his book first?
I'm on video 2 and he says the ovals for the torso and pelvis should be "kissing". pic related
but when I try to construct this way everything feels off. Also I dont like using ovals. Also I might be too noob for hampton.

>>3276710
>Also I might be too noob for hampton.

Post your attempt so I can better help you.

When he says it should be "kissing" it's because the distance from the ribcage to pelvis is 2' to 3' inches give or take. Obviously the ribcage and pelvis don't touch but it's drawn that way so that when you add the box forms later you draw them at the correct distance.

I'm in need of some clarification. What is this mass that overlays the thoracic arch and the ribs here (left and above the squiggly line? Is this a portion of the external oblique? If yes then why isn't the portion underneath similarly pronounced? Or maybe it's the abdominal head of the pectoralis muscle but it seems way too low for that? Or is it the upper portion of the rectus abdominis that just happens to be wider at the top here?

>>3258446
>OP didn't include Anatomy for Sculptors by Uldis Zarins

faggot

>>3276783
That's her ribcage, dude. Ever looked at your own?

>>3276808
That's clearly a muscular mass and not a rib. It slightly corresponds to "abdominal head of pectoralis major muscle" in this image, but this region is rarely described in greater detail anywhere.

>>3274321
This is mine. I don't approach drawing people/bodies by doing the stuff you guys do... only ovals I sketch are heads, other lines just end up where my brain and hand want them. Should I start building these forms from the inside-out? Or am I getting away with the undisciplined style?

>>3275642
focus on the ribcage and pelvis first, thats essentially the base of the figure.

>>3276783

I'm fairly sure it's one of the fingers of the external oblique

im planning on buying a posable street fighter figurine, it's specifically the character Cammy.

I want to use it to study the forms of the limbs since the anatomy of the sculpt is quite accurate even though its stylized and also the movment of the joints.

thoughts? are the movement and rotation of the legs even accurate?

>>3279797
this is the one

>>3279797
>>3279797
>I want to use it to study the forms of the limbs
significant portions of the limbs are covered though.

>>3262522
>>3265348
He invents muscles, but that is for dramatic purposes. he clearly knows the location of the originals.

>>3258446
Which one of these books is the best to start with?

I honestly have no idea what am doing, I need some advice on how to improve this thing, never have drawn before

>>3263545
>>3263547
>>3262554
God bless that anon that found these books and decided to share them with us. Never knew about those before.

>>3262554
>Strength Training Anatomy
anyone have a download link?

Is it worth developing landmarks this far every time?

>>3285854

It pretty much is the base where you will stick everything on when constructing so yeah, i'd say yes.

>>3282125
Ask yourself this first, what are you doing?

>>3259720
>>3259723
>>3259729
>Your redline is all sorts of wrong
>well i still do consider myself a /beg/, mind telling me what can i improve on judging by my redline?
>No

Never change, /ic/

>>3259723
doesn't look like a /beg/ to me
unless you define /beg/ as all non-professionals

>>3286161
I still consider myself a beginner since i haven't mastered the *basics* of perspective and anatomy, I also have little to no knowledge of value and color.

Still have a lot to learn.

Just wanted to share this. Might be interesting to everybody interested in positioning pelvis, spine and thorax.

https://www.jeffreyburch.com/resources/structural-integration/lordosis-assessment-care/

>>3285909
Trying to draw a male body, but I don't feel I can't get the proportions right, arms and torso are the things I think are the worst part

>>3286676
read loomis figure drawing for proportions.

>>3287256
I'll try it, thanks

>>3287458
Also do gesture drawings for 30 mins to an hour everyday, I found this to help me out with getting correct proportions among many other improvements from doing gesture drawing on a regular basis.

>>3282125
>draws on lined paper way too small body

>>3258526
Im really happy i came across this post, I went and took a look at Loomis' book and it made basic anatomy and proportions 100x easier to understand. Thank you for posting this.

>>3258446
answer me without sugarcoating it, Am I retarded If I draw with balls and lines?

>>3288864
Whatever works for you, d00d.

>pyw

>>3259574
Yeah looks like most of his drawings are at least heavily referenced (pic related is the same artist)

How do I into hips? There are so many bumps and shit I always struggle to simplify the pelvis, especially using a fucking cube. Even more with female models, every time I study from reference I fuck up, I find the line that connects the ends of the iliac crests and the crotch, then I'm completely lost.

What should I do? Best video/book chapter that makes me really understand the hips?

>>3258824
*teleports behind u*

>>3289086

>Dick pic in gallery

I didn't ask for this

None of the lines in this image look like an "s" to me.

I know that if the cervical vertebrae would move in real life as much as I animated them, it would actually break the neck. and the spinous processes are excessive.
still, I tried to animate the sternocleidomastoid muscles in action. it's all a mess, but it was still fun.

>>3289462
The hips generally have two main bumps, that being the top of the pelvic bone and the edge of the femur. But it's best to just draw the hips has getting wider from the basis of the middle torso, and then heading in a new direction based on where the thighs are going.

Personally, I learnt to draw hips from the furry artist Twinkle-sez, because his hips are amazing.

2min gestures. Am I focusing on the right details?

>>3294430

Depends on what exactly you're trying to capture.

Is it movement? Is it the emotion in a static pose? Is it both plus a specific facial expression?

Depends entirely. I'd say all of those are pretty solid. They read very well for 2 minute gestures. Do you erase?

>>3258764
WTF
>struggling

fuck off nigga you're pro already

>>3279797
>I want to use it to study the forms of the limbs

Bruh, I know, you know, both, we know that you only gonna use it to jack off and filled her with your semen.

>>3289086
this is like the cutest phone case ever

Any recomendations on books or youtube channels?

>>3296115
hot

I bought artistic anatomy because I saw it on Proko’s Book page, any idea how to work through it? It’s very text heavy.

>>3296288
Thanks

>>3260949
>some day, soon enough
Buddy, you're gonna need to grind your fundies for a while. You're trying to run before you can walk.

>>3296115
blog?

>>3260949
>some day, soon enough
Buddy, you're gonna need to grind your fundies for a while. You're trying to run before you can walk.
>>3282125
Same for you buddy. Both of you should start by just doing gesture drawings everyday. Overtime you'll begin to understand basic anatomy, planes and volume/form especially if you're using resources like Hampton/Vilppu.

anyhelpisappreciated

>>3297765
I don't have a tumblr as of yet only a rather lewd furaffinty.
Thought I will try to get one going soon.

>>3297788
I never laughed so much in my life.

>>3290210
These kinds of images always seemed like they want to force some kind of "flow" even when it might not be there. It's the normie way of thinking where they believe they can "feel out" a pose. I can draw arbitrary curved lines everywhere but that doesn't mean they carry any meaning.

Nobody likes the harsh truth of:
>Just draw the fucking body correctly and then it will look good

rate pls

Can I ask where is the best place to get started on light/shadow/shading/rendering? I can do lines pretty well.

>>3299217
more contrast I can't see shit

>>3263545
>>3263547
>>3282241
does anyone know the name of this book? tried rev image search but only things in spanish and little tiny pics came up :/

>>3299357
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=7FB58950EB2038271FD1F6F4235FF02E

Been kind of rusty on anatomy, trying to brush up on Hampton and Loomis and some Vilppu, any critique would help. Maybe somebody could recommend me an exercise to improve.

>>3258446
How bad is it?

>>3299606
Did you use any references? Line quality is sketchy, looks like you barely tried desu. How long have you been drawing?

>>3299609
No and 1-2 years

>>3299641
Go look up some Michael Hampton for some exercises and Andrew Loomis for Proportions. Spend your time drawing from life and referencing off photographs of models.

>>3258446
How is this?

Here is the reference I used

>>3299705
that model isn't taking into account the effect raised arms have on the position of scapulae, nor does it stretch and compress muscles correctly. the musculature looks all wrong as a result.

>>3299724
Do you have a better reference?

>>3299731
google "bodybuilder posing"; im sure you'll get decent results of actual humans making similar poses.

>>3258909
The text says that since the hips move and twist around in relationship to the torso, you can instead logically think of them as part of the legs, connected by the green area illustrated in the top right.

Help, I'm a total /beg/ and just started learning. Can someone redline what went wrong?

Did some random studies

>>3299777
the head is large and out of proportion relative to the rest of the body. But for a beginner you did a good job with drawing the body.

when starting, the overall shape of the head is usually oval and this can vary (long, wide, or short) depending on the model's head. Once the head is drawn, take a measurement of it using your pencil or pen and count at least 7 head length proportions of this until you reach the feet. It could be 6.5 or 7.5 head lengths depending on the height of the model. That should establish overall proportion.

>>3299465
that's pretty decent imho. You definitely have the gist of getting the gesture and initial fleshing out the form.

I'd go out in the real world and just practice from life.

how do I improve this? Details will be textured most likely but apart from the arms being shit I feel like the proportions meet the general guidelines don't they?

>>3260155
go out and draw people crossing in a stoplight

>>3301012
I would if my car wasn't in the shoppe, but when I get it back, I might as well hang out at a Starbucks and get drawing in my sketchbook.

Did some other Sketches with pen and Loomies

>every pose imaginable has one muscle of the body shown in an unaesthetic way
The hairy ball theorem works in drawing and its my fucking nightmare

>>3301687
also i drew that from imagination (explains why its shit), my problem is that its hard to find reference worth drawing for me (sounds edgy but true, i struggle to find things i would want to draw, maybe i dont really like drawing at all)

I wanna help kill this thread.

Hand gestures

>>3302570
try doing a finished hand

>>3302658
You mean like a completely shaded hand with lighting and details?

>>3302672
sure or just not rough

>>3289086
and whats wrong with heavy reference?

IS REFERENCE FUCKING WRONG OR NOT!? I'M TIRED OF THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Anything I can do to loosen it up a bit. The figure looks surprised but I'm not entirely sold on it.

>>3259713
terrible. But nice to see you are practicing.

>>3302758

Reference is necessary but you best not be too reliant on it, otherwise you won't be able to draw things from a slightly different perspective and you're a slave to copying the exact shapes in the reference. You have to understand form, gesture and anatomy to use reference intelligently. Assuming you want to be able to draw anything and not just be a human xerox machine.

>>3302758
>>3303495
I will differ here, use reference as long as you want or need, pros do it, and almost everyone does it. If you want to practice visual memory go for it then, but if you haven't, go for reference.

The only way (maybe) to draw without reference accurately is if you understand deeply how every muscle affects each other and a very good understanding of anatomy, and well, that takes tame.

So long story short, go for it always you want to.

Some Loomis practice. The head is smaller than i though compared to rest of the body, like, very small.

>>3302758
it's only bad when you make it obvious. In reality it is a non-issue. It's like one of those curt and nasty things you can say casually about an artist to instantly drop their worth. But yeah it's not a real issue or talking point.

>>3302758
Why does it matter?

The guy make art and he's very productive.

Nobody really cares what a bunch of anonymous artists say on the internet. And even if they did, it'd just be drama (cancer).

If you're a beginner artist trying to avoid pitfalls, don't. You have no idea what to avoid. Just keep drawing. Try every method under the sun. Reference, Heavy reference, Photobash, straight up trace. And see what's up with all of that.

I know art is personal and baring yourself is hard which makes the faint hearted susceptible to focusing on cleaning the act before putting the pencil down, but in the end, it's those people who are afraid that are the loudest on /ic/, picking apart artists. And those fearful anons want people like them to join in on the fun and validate their fears, their worries, their wallowing in failures.

Don't do that, learn to filter, anger on an art board can usually be ignored safely.

Am I doing this right? I shat out a lot of gesture drawings and now I'm going through Hampton's book, I read some and practiced boxing in the ribcage and pelvis with some landmarks. I'm stupid as hell, is this how you study from the book or art books in general?

How to I use Hampton's Dynamic Figure Drawing? Do I read the entire book and then try to apply what I read or am I supposed to just figure out how the images in the book were constructed?
sorry for being a brainlet

How am I doing lads?

>>3258446
Is it just me or is it really hard to find an exploded-view drawing of every simplified muscle in the human body?

>>3276783
I feel like you could get away with not drawing the obliques like this if you were using a reference.
It would stand out a little too much and distract from the main idea to be put in a finished drawing.

Crit

>>3306469

What are the numbers and color coded lines supposed to represent?

>>3306794
Me trying out a technique to try to remember the forms better. the numbers are stroke order. The blue lines are straight lines, red curved. I doubt it is doing much. I want to somehow maximize my grinding time but I am starting to think it really is just a matter.of hours put in....

>>3258490
Well, you don't HAVE to - you can get pretty far with learning form and gesture, especially if your primary aim is environments or vehicles instead of figures (eg. concept artist rather than porn artist). Pic related admits to never have studied individual muscles, just form and appealing shapes.

That being said if you want character art to be your primary focus, studying anatomy is the least difficult and time consuming task, you might as well give it a couple weeks if you're gonna benefit from it for the rest of your life.

If I'm starting to learn anatomy for drawing how deep into anatomy should I go? Should I go as far as learning about the fibers of muscles and tendons of joints?

>>3306788
appealing. how are you learning anatomy?

does anybody know anything about this guy?

>>3307994
0033

>>3306447
Need an answer for this too

>>3307569
Thx, just doing studies from photos as well as from other artists. Right now looking for some in depth figure/anotomy course on cgpeers or somewhere else

>>3306483
I don't think an exploded view would be very helpful. But I think you'd want Eliot Goldfinger's book. It shows every individual muscle separately and how it inserts and originates.

>>3310231
I'm currently going through the Scott Eaton course which has been very informative. It's pretty straight skeletal and muscular anatomy with some exercises and examples of bad art in each chapter. I've learned a lot so far, the other anatomy thing I would point to is the Watts videos. I've done the head so far and doing Eaton first before I move on to some others. Watts does some more simple abstractions at the start and then moves on to more detailed anatomy.

>>3306447
I meant *Hogarth's Dynamic Figure Drawing

>>3259757
They meant for more than 3 minutes

>>3263592
This, Cambodia's a good place to start looking for references