/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Here's a reference today anons.

Should be good for gesture or a full figure drawing, go wild

absolute /beg/ here
any advice on how to get good at shading?

>>3253267
pick a light source. don't just shade around edges like it's a pillow. mmm... you can use the lasso tool to make soft gradiation that comes to a hard edge.

Is there a term for the way you which draw outlines of stuff in cartoons ? I am trying to research the different ways and thought process behind them. Like for example some have thick black out line with thinner line work inside the character, some have same thickness lines throughout, some do a darker color instead of black, some don't do any outlines at all just using all color, etc.

>>3253267
"shading" means nothing, as long as you understand value and light you can render anything properly

I tried to do this. >>3250258
1/2

>>3253298
I got bored. Hair seems a little thin to me. Was trying to get practice with values.

Since no one responded from last thread...
Is this place willing to do usueful drawabox reviews or should I pay for the drawabox critique or use the leddit community thing?

>>3253307
Just do exercises and see who responds?

Do I really need Loomis to draw anime?

>>3253315
You could probably just copy anime stills over and over again, but you'll eventually have to spend some time studying fundamentals.

>>3253289
>"shading" means nothing
I'm pretty sure shading means "the darkness or coloring of an image", which is basically the rendering of light and value.

>>3253307
i think you should just compare your stuff to the reddit threads they have where other people post their work and the dude crits it.

>>3253315
loomis is the only light in the dark chaos of drawing anime

the shading feels kinda off, especially on the gate area, but i've been staring at this for way too long so it's kinda hard for me to tell what exactly went wrong

can anyone please help and point it out?

I've just started and i really dont know bare basics where to start, what to study and the like, obviously there's loomis, but i still feel as though there is some semblance of skill needed to fully grasp its teachings. I've only been at it for 3 to 4 days so far and drawing is pleasurable I just feel like I'm lost in a sea of knowledge without any real goal to find and understand first to really make the plethora of teachings available really stick. What should I be looking at to actually gauge myself and proceed with the practice accordingly?

>>3253421
just seems a little flat

i want to die

>>3253428
I also want to know this, just seems intimidating for a total beginner.

>>3253439
Honestly same.

>>3253428
>>3253476
Loomis does cover every basic, if you read every single line and take it to heart, but forget that. First basic is to abandon lined paper. Then you go out and draw something and it can be anything as long as it's more complicated than a stickman. You draw it then you compare, does it look EXACTLY the same? If not, then you have to draw it until it is. If you see that you keep drawing something too big or too small, pick up Keys to Drawing and read a few chapters then go back to drawing. Don't do the exercises. You're here to draw.

>>3253439
Why anon?

>>3253428
>>3253476

there is some structured books and programs out there that will give you more concrete goals and stuff to progress to. I would just look around.

>>3253421

>>3253267
Understand the forms of the body and think about how they react to a lightsource

>>3253421
The colors

>>3253480
>>3253555
So go for broke and try imitation through imagination? I think i get it. And ill shop around abit as well, maybe there's something i can latch onto to really push myself to chase as a goal post. Thanks anons, ill post soon.

This is impossible; it's probably easier to pursue science and make anime real instead of learning how to draw an apple in front of me.

>>3253428
Draw what you like. For example faces. Find out you're shit then pick what you want to improve like getting proportions right how to draw a particular feature how to draw those features at different angles differences between age and genders.

Sweet. I'm on the OP. Dunno if that's good or bad but thanks!

does anyone know how to make these lips more manly?

colors so HARD MAN

>>3253661

PSA: Boobs are not the same size

>>3253661
>>3253662
>>3253661
>>3253662

Hmm
A lot of his likeness comes from his chin and mouth area, the part that gives him his youthful vibe.
His chin is more recessed, which in turn changes the appearance of the lips. You flattened his nose.

Everything below the eyes you decided to protrude, flatten, and or elongate.

I know it's a color study, but getting down the facial structure is kind of key for that. For example, you cut off his cheekbone in half for some reason, so only half the highlight and the texture shows on his face on your painting which changes the colors a lot. You also didn't capture the redness of his face (think of blood coming near the surface of his skin), but rather made him look more tanned. The model is probably wearing makeup.

Just keep fiddling with it, you'll get it eventually. The proportions can be a quick fix with the liquify tool so you can focus on your colors more.

need crit on my anatomy i feel that my lower half looks alright but i keep making the shoulders really square?

only practicing torso atm legs and arms someday

I wanna put a body on him, but I'm having trouble with that

This is something I drew for another thread. How are my lines here? I focused more on the shading than the lines but the lines are my weak point. I realised I can't anatomy very well recently and picked up loomis. Drawing from references makes everything a lot easier.

why does my photoshop ignore pressure sensitivity sometimes? like, randomly some strokes are super thicc and huge, i undo to remove it, and it's back to normal for some time
it's really fucking annoying

well, i thought it would be better than that, really tried my best with values (it's a bit better irl than on the pic), eyes are terrible though

>>3253758
here's the rough sketch, anyone see something wrong in the construction ?

>>3253758
and the original

>>3253302
So, nothing stands out and I should just keep practicing?

Please critique. I know there's lots wrong with this one. Thanks

>>3253834
i don't know what pose you were shooting for

i'll give you this handy link for a stylized type of anatomy that you're shooting for though.
https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131614

>>3253841
Yeah the pose, angle and body shading are fucked. Hatching isnt easy for me with the mouse either, one day ill get a tablet.

Thanks for the link too, i was certainly going for a capcom kinda style but that admittedly seems a tad too ambitious for me right now.

Thanks again

>>3253863
no prob, just look over that doc, study a little bit, and try again!

>>3253248

>>3253886
Kek

I've seen some artists first do a black and white version of a painting, and then sort of colorize that in order to get a final color illustration.

I think this methodology might help me because it will be probably easier to first learn to get only value right, and then change the saturation and hue on that, than try to get all 3 at the same time right.

I'm curious.
Are there any drawbacks to doing this? I'm guessing it might be more time consuming, but maybe it's not the case.
Are there any advantages, other than the one I mentioned about being able to get one of the three elements right and then being able to focus on the other two (if that even makes sense)?
Also, how is this method called, so that I can find specific tutorials on it?

>>3253931
this video explains it pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtwCG7BLSA

>>3253932
I'll watch that, thanks

>>3253758
The hair looks pretty flat in your drawing, but in the picture there's lots of variety.

>>3253672
Thanks.

>>3253932
God, why do I hate this guy so much? Doesn't help that it looks like he's now partnered up with Aldoori or whatever his name is.

>>3253672
Like literally or that they shouldn't be the same size when drawing them since different views affect sizes?

Please critique this study. I normally do mostly lineart.

>>3253973
Sorry, forgot to scale it down.

>>3253978
It's missing a head.

>>3253964
You're probably still just mad over him calling out Trump in his latest video.

I'd be mad too if I were BTFO like the drumpfries were.

>>3253979
Not quite sure what you mean. pls redline

>>3253964
i like his tutorials and his art, don't really know much about him.

>>3253980
I wish, then I'd actually have a reason to dislike him. This kind of hatred I have for him is irrational.

>>3253983
Here you go.

>>3253953
yeah can't draw hair for shit (and other things too) :/

>>3253979
>>3253983
>>3253986

>>3253986 Thanks Anon! I was wondering what seemed off about it the whole time.

>>3253985
Personally for me it's the way he talks. He sounds like he's constantly got a smile on his face and it's annoying. Like that faggot dog.

It's not a hatred though, I can still watch his videos.

>>3253991
>>3253985
what do you guys think about his art though?

>>3253987
I don't see why you can't draw the hair. You did so much better on the face and it's just the same technique. I tried to map out some of the shadows myself. I didn't do a great job, but you can see that the hair isn't flat.

>>3254000
I don't look at Youtuber's art because it always puts me off their advice.

Draw with Jazza is a good example, his cartoons are disgusting I wish he didn't shove them in your face all over his channel

Started reading Keys to Drawing today and did the first exercise. I have a long road ahead of me.

I’m going to try shoes next.

I got a lot more feedback than expecected yesterday so I spent far more time looking at the source and trying to get the shapes right.

I did an intial trace over it to get a base otuline, then constructions pieces trying to get the blocks in (Hampton's thing where you have the torso and hip shapes). Don't know if this is cheating but it really helped figure out parts I struggled with before.

I did the head seperately then copied it onto the body.

I think it came out a lot better

>>3253966
Boobs are uneven at any angle, some boy artists seem to overlook this because they do not have boobs.

>>3254074
Which is odd since you would think they would know because they see them so often.

>>3254073
Negative space all looks way better. Especially around the hair and her right arm and ass and her left arm.

>>3254078
>Which is odd since you would think they would know because they see them so often.

>>3254070
You're on the right track. Try to make your lines longer.

>>3254084
Okay! I’m also having a bit of trouble not looking back down at my paper when I draw, but I assume that’ll come with practice.

>>3254003
ah welp, call me an idiot, but didn't even think of drawing shapes for the shadows on hair...

>>3253287
vectors?

Been using 0.5mm mechanical pencil with HB lead. My brother got me a set of wooden pencils but I don't like how the tip shifts as I draw and I have to constantly resharpen.

Wondering if I should try some different leads for my mechanical or just get used to using wooden pencils? I feel like my tool isn't as important as continuing to practice, only been at this since November.

Does this look good?

>>3253287
line weight

>>3253751
search it on google, it happens to everyone i think with several possible solutions but no one really knows why it happens

>>3254195
you should learn perspective first because that pot would be very easy to knock over

>>3254195
You should just get used to it, constantly resharpening is a thing you just have to get used to it. It's like being bothered that you have to dip a brush back into paint when it runs dry.

>>3254195
start using the wooden ones, you can shade better with them

>>3254210
Yeah all my shit looks flat. Gonna grab one of the suggested books and get started today.
>>3254217
>>3254221
Probably gonna try a lead holder then, I hate the feel of wood pencils.

>>3254231
Lead holders are nice but remember that there’s nothing you can do with them that you can’t do with a regular pencil.

>>3254231
you seem to have something against wood, first you didnt like how the tip shifted now you dont like how it feels.

Use whatever the fuck you want then, why are you asking?

>>3254202
No.

>>3253248
that silicone?

>>3254467
No.

started today with the arrival of my tablet, intend to work on making chibi girls competently and then move on to greater things

>>3254481
Looks cute anon, I also started today but didn't save any of the sketches I made. What software did you go for?

>>3254483
Photoshop, I learned a bit of it over a decade ago because of a Web Design degree I got. Didn't really use it since, so it's almost like starting from scratch again.

>>3254481
clean your line/s

>>3254486
Cool, me too. I used it for some graphic design stuff years ago but nothing serious. I'm trying out Krita now because people say it's good but I find it pretty much the same for making sketches at least

Are you using references or just going wild?

>>3254481
Anon start with a rough sketch layer, then lower the opacity and make a new layer on top to do the final lines on afterwards.

Ctrlpaint would be a great resource for you I think.

>>3254487
>>3254544
Gave it a shot!

>>3254490
I heard good things about Krita's workflow.

I'm mostly just going wild, but trying to learn from imitating old stuff like PoPoLoCrois and Japanese artists on Twitter.

>>3254202
It reminds me of my old minecraft art from when I was 13, which is probably a bad sign

>>3254550
Who are your favorite artists on twitter

>>3254571
I'm really liking @NAO22CAT 's work, both in pixel art and chibi

>>3254578
>>3254550
also got more tips and decided to rework the top of the head, facial features and hair a little

>>3254584
Looking better already anon, keep at it

>>3253233
I'm trying a new style and expression, but it looks retarded,, is there any way I could fix it??

I'm not sure, but this thread seemed like the best place to ask. I recently began learning to draw and so far have only done some really basic exercises to work on and develop some fundamentals. The thing is, it's honestly kind of boring at this stage. My question is: would carrying around a sketchbook and trying to draw random things I see help improve my drawing or would it just reinforce poor technique?

>>3254613
>Would drawing be better than not drawing?
Yes.

>>3254613
I think your looking at it wrong, I draw like shit and have fun doing it so don't get to fixed on becoming pro to enjoy it.

Also this
>>3254615

>>3253248
here's my attempt. really need help on the hair.

>>3254619
You forgot part of the shin.

just got a new drawing tablet
what do I need to improve, critique please

>>3254682

>>3254073
huge improvement, what i would suggest you working on now is trying to identify what you see as blocks and forms, trying to see shapes in what you're drawing. esp with the hair, i see you trying to think of it as bigger shapes instead of strand by strand, and i think that's where you need to keep improving on.

>tfw nobody responds to your work, but people always respond to your shitposting
If only I could combine the two.

how can i take this further?

>>3251259
Yes but it's really easy to get what you want from calmly reading the settings. I use the David Revoy brushes as my base in Krita
https://www.davidrevoy.com/article319/krita-brushkit-v8

If you don't know how to render at a basic level, the best brushes in the world aren't going to help you.

>>3254689
@lushsux

is it a bad idea to find a bunch of refs like clouds, water, rocks, etc and paint a SHIT load of them? or is that too much effort for little gain?

>>3253686
>>3253686
Small head and arms.

Make neck a little longer and thicker, then portion the head. Also arms should reach about middle thigh (shoulder to tip of finger). And don’t hide an arm, looks unnatural if it’s a front view.

Also add actual knees and work on hands. You’re not drawing trump, make her hands bigger.

>>3254550
Hair doesn’t form spikes. Make it more curvy???

>>3254619
You need more help with your anatomy than your hair. The left arm (her right arm) looks weird, there’s another angle there that isn’t the elbow. Left thigh is too short and hips are way to big. Left boob needs to tapper off closer to the armpit. And what are knees you guys?????

>>3254879
>Is it bad to study?

>>3254682
Slow down, it looks like you just doodled all that stuff in a few minutes.

I want to see what happens when you take your time. Then I can tell you what you need to work on.

>>3253421
how is this beginner in any way you fucking faggot, god there's nothing more that I hate about this place than people who come to /beg/ fishing for compliments

>>3254898
Yes, studying is one of the worst things you can do as it can hamper your artistic vision.

Always draw from your imagination. When someone asks you to draw an animal you've never seen before - draw what you think it should look like.

>>3254927
design, perspective, comp are all pretty beginner.

>>3253421
This is beyond my own skill level, but I would think the wall on the outside of the doorway might be slightly lighter or at. Right now it kind looks like there isn't a wall there since its basically the same color. I'd say some blue somewhere over there would help it pop a lot more.

>>3253428
Well, good news is this thread is great for people starting from 0 because everybody wants to help people as long as they feel they are better than them.

Looks like you are having a lot of trouble drawing what you see, which is perfectly normal for people that haven't been drawing since gradeschool. If you're prepared for the grind, I suggest trying that same exercise again. Try it a few times for good measure and be sure to REALLY REALLY LOOK at the angles of each line and how they connect. Take an hour break or so between each attempt. Post results and never give up even when you think you've stagnated.

>>3253248
Here's my attempt. Any criticism would be very appreciated.

>>3254710
The robot could use more contrast, hard to see what's going on in the chest area.

>>3254928
"How To Suck At Art Lession 1"

The proper way to go about it is to study and learn extensively from references and then try to draw it from memory. This will allow your own artistic style to shine through, but you HAVE to have ground to stand on before building a house.

>>3254954
stop replying to bait

>>3254935
Proportions are pretty wonky (legs too big, head too small and flat) and you look like you're struggling with anatomy. Both things that will get better with more practice. Also flip your canvas horizontally every now and then, it will help you see mistakes when you think something looks off.

Draw a lot of still life to get better at seeing more accurately, then work your way up to people. You're making good progress, keep the ball rolling.

>>3254957
I can't, it's 3am and I'm a hungry fucking fish.

>>3254602
The hand is too small. There's also an eye missing

how does listening to music hurt my progress?

Can anyone say something about this picture? Good, bad, anything? Anatomy wise.

>>3255060
I like em hips

>>3255060
hmm, her left arm seems to be quite a bit longer than her right arm, and that's ignoring the fact that it already is risen by the shoulder
i like the lower half a lot though

>>3255060
Their entire upper half is looking left, whereas the lower half is facing forward, making it look weird. I can see what you're trying to go for though

>>3255050
It doesn't, and anyone who tells you differently has their head up their ass, or is trolling you. Every art studio and class I've been in and taken had music on, if the teacher wasn't talking. It was mandatory for figure drawing. I have music on of some sort while working. Usually classical or instrumental, and rarely metal.

>>3253287
It's called contour drawing, when you draw the outline.

>>3253421
Your shadows that close should be the darkest. You have them barely a couple of values darker than the midtones in the middleground, in the distance. In bright sun like that you'll have almost blown out highlights and deep, dark shadows, as the sun is directly overhead - the lighter values of the distance are from the atmosphere and glare.

This is where reference comes into play - it's not the scene you're drawing, but the conditions are the same. Not how the background values lighter than the shadows in the foreground.

>>3253744
They're too heavy. Work bigger, and use smaller lines. They're overwhelming the figure here.

>>3253566
what do you mean by that?

>>3255064
Thanks!

>>3255070
Ah, I can see it. I think I started the hand and then accidentally made it part of the arm.

>>3255072
Damn, you're right. This is such an annoying problem, it usually means you just have to redraw half the drawing.

Funnily enough my weak point is usually the legs, I can never tell the right length for them to be. Is this any better?

>>3253233
been grinding fundies for seven years now
amidoingitright?

>>3255098
you'd learn a lot more if you'd stop overpainting photos and using the color picker excessively.
scratching over a photo in your drawing program does nothing for you, it isn't an excercise. it's just self-pleasing procrastination waste of time. stop making it easy for you and you will make progress.

>>3255107
it's not from a photo

reminder: eating meat will decrease art gains

Anyone know any good tutorials to paint better like this?

>>3255111
Unironically Loomis.

Before painting a head you should learn how to draw /construct it.

>>3255108
you can't fool anyone
seen it a million times

>>3255119
I'll take that as a compliment

>>3255113
I'm still working through drawing head and hands, with this one I didnt draw construction cuz the video I watched didnt do that aswell :I

>>3255120
the colors have the typical cold range of a digital camera, you douchebag
lying to yourself to impress random anons on the web .... pathetic.

>>3255124
So, is the composition good or not?

>>3255125
the photo has made the composition for you
compliment goes to the photographer

>>3255129
can't tell if you're memeing or not

I just want to draw anime...

>>3253233
i could make some stupid ass twitter for submitting drawings. fuck deviantart.

How's this torso looking? I drew it after looking at a couple of refs that helped me some.

>>3255164
Neck needs repositioning i think

Keep going!

I love chicken scratch

>>3255131
Me too, but I hear learning realistic stuff will make your anime look and feel much better

>>3255172
Yeah I got the feeling. I just kind of threw the neck in there, worked more on the body. Thanks though!

i dont wanna read all this nerd shit

>>3255199
Why are you here?

>>3255274
to meme about loomis duh

>>3253827
of course things stand out, it looks nothing like the reference pic. your shadows are way to hard if you tried to copy the values from the pic and the proportions are off, like her head being longer in the reference
of course always keep practicing, no matter how good you are there are always things to improve

>start drawing
>tiny bullshit
>start drawing larger
>can never go back
I thought it was a meme, but no. 9x12 doesn't cut it anymore.

Any good resources for reference photos of old people faces? Aside from google image search, of course.

Here is a baby. I`m just glad to draw at least something today.

>>3255509
Bing™

do you like this? would u wear this on a black t shirt?

no? why?

>>3255516
pay closer attention to the angle of trajectory for the head. contruction seem to be your main problem.

>>3255104
bretty good, nice linework

some random old people off google

>yesterday
>draw my best
>today
>draw like absolute shite chicken scratch
gonna lob the round in the chamber

>>3255516
you got almost no angles right but neat rendering

>>3253931
Just search for grayscale painting and I'm sure you'll find what you need from that

If you want to draw a digital picture with vanishing points way far off outside of the picture, how do you do it?

>>3255774
Draw a rectangle on a big canvas, the rectangle is your picture plane, you can corp it when it's done.

If color has 3 main components: hue, saturation and value, you can "take away" the hue and saturation in programs like Photoshop by setting the saturation to 0, which lets you focus on value.

Is there a reverse of this? Taking away the value of a picture, so you only see hues and saturation.

>>3255631

Good!

>>3255826
No, that makes no sense. But it's called local colors.

Tried posting this in the alt style thread for critique but those guys were too busy arguing about waifus or something.

This is something I did a few days ago, I was hoping someone could give me a brutally honest critique so I could learn from my mistakes. The pose was from imagination and this was my first real attempt at painting with color.

>>3255833
That's too bad. May I ask why?

I tried to do it myself and I feel like I got close, but for some reason the yellows won't do it. It sort of works for most other colors.

Pic related:
1) Original image. Just some random photo.
2) 2 layers: on top, the original image set to color mode. On bottom, 50% brightness mid gray. It seems to translate most colors and hues rather well, except for yellows, which turn greenish.
3) 2 layers: on top, same as before. On bottom, original image set to 0% saturation. It looks sort of similar to the original image, but the lack of yellows really fucks it up.

If the color mode layer retained the yellow this would be possible. Is there any way to achieve it?

>>3255869
Forgot pic

Critique, trying to place a figure in perspective, any tips?

>>3255889
what in the holy fuck are you doing kneegur?
try simple boxes in perspective first.
>there; my yearly /beg help has been fulfilled. see you next december.

>>3255864
learn to paint in black and white first, learn value and for the actual drawing, its very mediocre, especially the face, try to learn the planes of the head with the asaro head (there is a 3d model on sketchfab) memorize at least the basic planes.

For the body, it lacks basic knowledge of anatomy, download the pdf of Michael Hampton and anatomy 4 sculptors, with that you will get your anatomy down in no time. Hope i helped

>>3255899
Don't be silly. You can help again in a few days.

>>3255864
Lighting on girl is decent. Bed is total ass. That right half of the bed is just a blob. Picture kind of looks like anime was copied onto background. They aren't really connected. Maybe you could let some of their shadows bleed together?

need some crit

I only draw casually, but I'd like to improve, even if it is just a little bit.

Would appreciate any critique/advice

I'm really new to drawing, so any feed back at all would be appreciated.

Based off of the following:
https://pin.it/2wyly4bmi42aem

>>3255992
>>3255994
>>3255998
Australians just woke up. I can tell.

>>3255998
The spires on the shell aren't that tall, the eyes are bent the wrong way, and water doesn't look like that.

What exactly am I doing that makes my men's faces look so fucking ugly? I'm trying to make them look like the picture on the right, from Jack Hamm's book, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are their faces too long? Are the proportions off? They all end up looking so weird and not human.

What exactly am I doing that makes my men's faces look so fucking ugly? I'm trying to make them look like the picture on the right, from Jack Hamm's book, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are their faces too long? Are the proportions off? They all end up looking so weird and not human.

this is still a work in progress, never really practiced drawing figures from imagination or doing shading or anything, just picked up the tablet and started to draw, how can i improve?

ULTIMATE BEGINNER GUIDE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ckgKZpmhKs

>>3256034
looks kinda like a mix of donald trump, boomhauer, and archer.

>>3256037
I didn't even mean to make him look like Donald Trump and it did. I was just looking at my book and my screen. How did this happen?

>>3256044
Do you live in America?

>>3256053
Nope, I don't even pay that much attention to politics either. And I haven't watched King of the Hill since I was a kid.

>>3256035
read the sticky,
you need to learn construction and anatomy

>>3256034
we got a bad case of lacking form and proportion. Study the asaro head from various angles and that may help alot, also i found that learning perspective b4 actually drawing organic shapes increases your skill 10 fold

>>3256063
Thanks, anon. Luckily I downloaded a few lessons from Watts Head classes the other day, and they seem to talk about the Asaro head a lot. Is the mannequin necessary, or can you just get by from pictures? I've heard of art students sketching busts of Greek sculptures and this seems pretty similar.

day 2 of having a tablet, started tutorials
drawing circles is frustrating so I made a DQ slime

>>3256081
He's a light blue, come on anon.

Sorry for dumb question, but I want to get into painting on wood canvases, and I know you have to prime the wood before painting. I want the wood grain and color to show through, are there clear primers? The artist ones I'm finding so far are all opaque. Or would stuff you find in the hardware stores (mostly made to protect wood from moisture) work?

>>3253428
>>3253476

would recommend lots of control exercises, straight lines, elipses, arcs, pattern squares, drawing circles from the shoulder, do that along with still lifes, contour line drawings, negative space drawings, mostly somewhat boring stuff

after that learn shading & perspective, learn how shadows and light work, different kinds of lighting (soft vs direct, soft & occlusion shadows)

eventually move into figure drawing and then anatomy, everything before this requires at least a basic understanding of the above, but you'll get better at the things above while learning how to do this stuff (passive practice)

probably color after that

The biggest step forward I had starting out was really learning to see, learn to measure with your pencil too, everything else kind of builds off those basic observation skills so I'd encourage you to really really train your eyes. Also if you dedicate some time to it, do it every day, you'll see yourself improve really fast

There's good resources in the artbook threads, would reccommend proko as well as ctrl paint, also there's lots of dicks on this board but sometimes you'll get a good critique. Gl anons

>>3256034
Let me tell you what, Hank.

>>3256035
This isn't cringe terrible. Try drawing references in the same or similar positions. You'll start to see how the body bends in that position.

>>3256071
on sketchfab there is a free 3d model of the head, so no need for buying it :), thats what i use to practice.

Had a work in progress I was very unhappy with, decided to scrap it, and got some critiques out of it too. I tried doing photo refs and I am hoping the anatomy looks better. I also did like a rough lighting test thing, does it look right at all? This is just a sketch before I do line art. Thank you to anyone that replies.

>>3255889
this should help, and if it doesnt then idk what to tell you lol

>>3256233
Really using that physics degree, ay Gordan?

Can't do better than this. I find kinda hard the
subtle value changes. Any advice will be helpful.

I'm working in a very low resolution. I don't know if this also impact my rendering.

>>3256205
Looks decent. Another beginner here but the foreshortening on the left arm, the shape/size of the ribcage compared to her waist and the tops of her hips look off. Personally I think it still looks good. Keep fighting the good fight!

>>3254710
i really like this one

>>3256301
Thank you for taking the time to do this Anon. Geez her arm looks pretty stupid.

>>3256290

Shit values.

When it comes to drawing the figure, how do you go about making sure everything is in proportion/you don't end up with tunnel vision where everything ends up out of whack/some areas are smaller than others/etc?

>>3256336
By taking your time and not giving up.

>>3253655
Just in general, go easy on the red. It will make the lips less feminine, and also the strong red area in the middle of his face makes him look sunburnt.

>>3256336
Work from large to small.

>>3253233
Not to sound gay, but does anyone else have any art-related New Years Resolutions?
I'm actually kind of excited to compare my current work to what I'll be making in a year

>>3256365
>>3254670

How do I construct a body.

Ahhhhh I'm so happy! I finally taught myself perspective and my environment drawings are looking 1000x better. Everything looks believable now! Thank you guys for helping!

Why does nobody ever comment on my work when I post on /ic? It's not like I'm literal shit.

>>3256460
simplify the ribcage and pelvis into boxes, add tilt to them add the scapula and hip bones(the bones that protrude out of the pelivis) use cylinders for limbs. For begginers use the h head model bay loomis. For more advanced artists you can modify the proportions to however you feel like, example: 6 heads(anime)

How much a decent freelance concept artist makes an hour? A month?

>>3256503
holyshit, usefull advise

yo senpai, I've been looking into getting one of his books, but idk which is best.

anyone know?

>>3256520
woopsie

the fuck I gotta do to draw cute lolis

>>3256521
the life drawing one, i think that's the first one, the rest are built on the same ideas, though i only have the pdfs of that one and the animal one

>>3256563
Other anons may disagree, but it's as philosophical as it is technical. It's a combination of cute(helpless) and sexual for the most part. Make a vision board of your favorite artists and identify aspects such as shape language, gesture, line, cartoonist's shorthand facial features and how exactly they are lies, proportion, angles v. curves, etc that support one of those aesthetic roots. You start to find patterns and discover what exactly you like.

What am I doing wrong?

Working in pencil because I'm sick in bed. Also been trying to nail certain poses. How'd I do so far?

>>3256753
It looks like the last few, change up the perspective or something.

>>3256733
Depends. How long did you spend on those? How much did you erase/undo? What are you TRYING to do?

>>3253233
New year resolution to re-take drawing, any help would be appreciated

>>3256805
Well that was fun.

>>3256823
reviewbrah is such a qt

>>3256830
At least you could tell it was reviewbrah so that´s good

>>3256820
3 to 5 minutes each, probably 0 erasing, getting good at drawing.

>>3256840
They do what they're supposed to well enough, do something with it.

>>3256843
What do I do? Am I advanced enough to start learning anatomy? Or should I start doing shading/coloring? Start drawing from imagination? Study perspective? Focus on line quality? Do everything simultaneously? There are so many directions I could go that I feel completely and entirely lost.

What skill level does it take in order to put together a portfolio good enough to get you into a school like The New School or Pratt? Is it possible for a beginner to put together a worthy portfolio of still-lifes, portraits, etc. within a years time? I have an affinity towards fashion design, but I’ve never moved past doodling whenever it comes to my formal art skill.

>>3253315
Art styles like anime (a lot of anime has their own unique art styles and methods)
all come from an understanding of the basics
you don't need specifically loomis, but you still need to work and understand the fundamentals of drawing, and how shapes work to form the body.
Loomis is just a really good tool to getting there

>>3256863
You presumably wanted to learn to draw things. Draw things. Learn what you need to when you hit the wall on something. Nothing but dry studies will kill you inside. The shota playing boxformers looks fun.

>Sticking too close to the reference is often called “being a slave to the reference” and can result in characters that look too stiff or posed.

This sucks

whats a good way to approach more comedic proportions like this? drawing a fat chow chow using an arcade stick, having trouble working out how long the arms and legs should be or where bends should happen in them. im a graphic designer not a traditional artist so this definitely is new to me.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how bad is it to mostly be learning to draw by just copying references? I'm still doing lessons with fundamentals, but most of my daily drawing consists of picking a picture and trying to replicate it. Am I learning anything from this, or should I just stick to fundamentals until I feel confident enough to start drawing my own works?

>>3256733
try making longer lines. your standing poses like the top left and bottom right are really stiff and lacking in dynamism. it seems like you're doing a lot more contour drawing than gesture.

as someone else said, doing raw studies will suck the enjoyment of drawing out of you. for me I couldn't grind one thing forever, you should come up with what you think you want to learn. then find the basics of those and practice/learn those. then you'll have more stuff to practice instead of whatever book studies you have currently. i think once you get more confident lines next you can go on to rendering value. perspective is important too and then anatomy. you don't have to do these in any order but as you learn parts you might realize that you need to be stronger in other areas before you learn what you want to learn.

>>3257020
It's actually recommended to copy from life.

how are my gestures? Am I feeling it yet?

Loomis been kicking my ass all day. to be fair I only started the draw for a week

How do I make a figure look realistic without shading? I see a ton of sketches/concept art where the figures look good/3D and have next to no shading. I don't think I see a lot of cross contour lines either.

>>3257060
The bare line does not exist in the real world.

Proportions and contour.

>>3257047
the one of the girl in the tub is good and has a sense of volume, the rest are totally nebulous and convey very little
draw both sides of the forms so you can see the volume of them
add landmarks like the corners of the rib cage and pelvis
do some longer studies (5 mins or more) and push yourself outside comfort zone
don't be afraid to slow down and construct
good luck random anon-kun

>>3256825
I'll say, yours looks really nice.

>>3257101
There's so much to gesture that I don't think this thread is the place to talk about it. Mostly because it's dealing with high level compositional shit that even skilled artists just draw and point and grunt to describe it. Hampton barely covers gesture and moves straight into posing a mannikin. It's about capturing the flow, forms and depth are optional.

>>3257101
I'm going through the actual class on CGMA; I'm not on volume week and therefore shouldn't be adding landmarks. What I did is exactly what the students are doing.

This is why I don't bother with /ic/.
>>3257110

>>3257051
What am I doing wrong why do I suck do I need a ruler?

>>3256893

Learn to draw. IF you want [how to's] go on youtube.

Seriously first day of the year and you come here ask to be spoon fed. If you ask how to practice to achieve it I would've gone out of my way to help...

Happy new year /beg/.

>>3257150
Thank you anon.

>tfw your favorite porn artist has his own CSP pencils and pens

>>3257122
you are not even drawing your base correctly and
Some of them have wrong perspective.
Train your arm to control the pencil man or take it slowly.

Day #2

saw a lots of mistakes and tried to fix them.
I will stop here on this.
The next exercise will be way more complicated.

>>3257135
i meant how should i approach it not give me proportions, the fuck is your problem. i literally said "hey i want to LEARN how to do this where do i start with less human proportion"

>>3257158
what is this? a course?

>>3257163
He wants to feel like a wise instructor by disciplining you. Don't mind him.

>>3257156
Dude, this guy is obviously a fucking beginner.

And instead of inspiring him to keep drawing and correcting himself you give harsh critique on his perspective? The guy most likely don't even know what that is.

This fucking place...

>>3257173
Even funnier still, the name of the book is "fun with a pencil" which Loomis must have written for beginners to not feel so much pressure, and then faggots like >>3257156 exist years later to fuck everything up.

>>3257173
It's people in here intentionally giving bad advice. Thank god I'm not a total beginner.

>>3257176
Lest we forget
>the only time I had fun with a pencil while reading that book was shoving it up my ass
>t. anon

>>3257167
My “personal training”anon. But many people do this... I think.

I paint something....after finishing, I work on something else,(warm ups, gesture drawings and bodies) next day I come back and realize the beg mistakes, I try to fix them. Then I jump to the next project.

This exercises are made step by step. What I mean is that I take it slowly. In my opinion this helps my accuracy, values, edges, brush work.

Is there something bad about the pic? Tell me anon, it will be be helpful.

>>3257178
The true journey towards becoming a beginner is to understand that /ic/ is just a place for plateaued artists to come and watch beginners crash & burn and to shitpost to people who don't share their views; which culminates into someone saying something like, "Post your work then faggot." and someone else responding to them with quality work. Where the first person quips back at the good artwork with, "Nice! It seems that you've spent a good amount of time being a human copying machine, buddy!"

>>3257169
>>3257173
>>3257178
>>3256893

so any real advice on how to start with this? should i begin with human proportion or learn like, dog muscle proportion to properly bend his limbs even though they're squished for effect.

>>3257185
It's your drawing, do whatever you want.

>>3257185
The problem with /beg/ is that it's mostly beginners in here.

>>3257185
I'm still a beginner, but I like to subscribe to the belief that you should understand all of the rules and then break them at your choosing.

Don't think about it too much, anon. People here will tell you to drop everything that you are trying to do and study drawing boxes over and over focusing on getting the perspective just right.

Just look up how to draw lifelike dogs and go off of the tutorial videos on youtube. The top viewed videos are more than likely the best quality you can get, as the guy doing to tutorial has probably read a good book or two on the subject and knows how to implement it well enough to teach you something.

This goes for everyone. Drop whatever book you're reading, find a guy who has good drawing tut videos on youtube, watch them, draw from life every day, ???, now that's paper.

>>3257173
>>3257176

I must apologize, I didn’t want to sound harsh.
When I came here everyone was posting to me, “ it’s shit” “kek,” no even “beg”
I thought I was giving good critic.

>>3257185
Dude, the best advice I can give you, don't come here for critique.

DRAW, DRAW MORE! YOU WILL MAKE MISTAKES.

Fucking martial arts instructors don't go correcting everything a beginner makes all the time, they let them train and show the correct form.

What you need right now is MILEAGE.

Get out of this place and draw more for fucks sake.

>>3257176
please forgive my shity drawing I am but the simple autist

>>3257176

No that book really is for people who want to draw loomis style characters. Yes you can adjust the construction but the real lesson is in "drawing head and hands" book.

Even the title "fun with pencil" is meant to hook normies to buy that shit. And beginners shouldn't even touch construction until they get good at observation drawing.

>>3257163
>i meant how should i approach it not give me proportions

listen moron that's exactly what I'm talking about. If you have question about your fundamentals practice I would try to give a fuck. You're asking HOW TO DO THIS instead of HOW DO I PRACTICE TO ACHIEVE THIS.

>>3257169
I don't see you giving him any help. So shut it.

>>3257190
>>3257194
>>3257198
>>3257215

All this is telling you is to learn how to fucking draw from the beginning. Not telling how to draw a fucking cartoon dog. Which is a legitimate advice.

Again go to youtube on how to draw a fucking cartoon dog.

This is the first thing I've done on the computer that I'm actually kinda proud of

I still need to learn how to draw lips and eyes better, mostly the positioning of the eye is difficult to imagine

>>3257237
nice.

>>3257240
here's something from a year ago that I put effort into

>>3257252
Now post your last painting.

>>3257246
Thank you anon.

Is there some kind of compilation, somewhere, of sketch/lineart to completed animations?

Not looking for hour-long streams, just condensed stuff.

what coloring tools should I use. I've been drawing with a black pencil till now. Most comfortable for me is to get some colored pencils. The problem with them is that they are usually low quality and the color is very pale. Are there pencils that give a good, saturated color. Pic related, because I am not sure I've gotten the terminology correctly

>>3257401
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>>3257401
>>3257401
>>3257401

>Reading through Vilppu's Manual
>Drawing alongside each page as I progress further
>Not continuing until I feel I understand how to use the tools introduced to my advantage
>Decide I know enough to attempt putting in extra detail and applying landmarks to my simplified forms
>This page and onward

What the fuck just happened? Am I an idiot? I am not familiar with the bone structures and muscle systems that he's referring to at all! Should I brush up on my anatomy and return to the book? Maybe find another teacher who has a similar approach to applying landmarks to simple shapes while teaching basic anatomy? Or should I go on my own confidently and learn to apply my own landmarks and brush up on basic anatomy as best as I am able? I feel like I hit a huge wall here and don't want to just continue blindly and not learn anything when I feel like I'm not prepared for this.

>>3257020
Drawing from reference is the only thing required to draw without reference. Everything else is secondary.

>>3257051
Make several copies of finished heads without following the construction method. Copy them as if they were references. You will learn from this.

>>3256893
Comedic proportions are just exaggerated proportions. Draw live dogs and cartoon dogs from reference and learn what the difference is.

>>3257224
>And beginners shouldn't even touch construction until they get good at observation drawing.
No fencer should so much as touch a sword until completing ten years of legwork.