/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3250180
crits please

>>3250200
Are those pokeballs?

>>3250210
Squint.

>>3250210
You said you were studying value, right? This photo have at least 3 point lights in it, it can throw things off a little bit, on top of that, its a color image. You are dealing with hue and saturation on top of the value, it can be tough to take into account if you are just starting out. Maybe consider turning this into gray scale image for your first study and deal with hue and sat later?

Also you are cropping that face off that leaves out some land marks for some reason, why not draw whole head?

>>3250233
i dont actually know how why i didnt draw the whole head, i guess i just thought it was unnecessary.

i knew i wanted to do a speed drawing and then a drawing from imagination after the first drawing so i didnt want any extra details but if the landmarks of the head are important ill draw the whole head next time

also where can i find better face references?

How can I learn the Yoh Yoshinari process at drawing, there's no videos of him drawing..

>>3250243
"vintage black and white photo portrait" probably a good place to start. Although if you know a little bit about photography composition and how photo exposure works might also help. Not all of the way some of these photo are lights are very easy to study but if you know what's happening in them it can really help.

>>3250258
thanks!

>>3250252
I'm pretty sure the making of little witch academia documentary has him drawing a little bit. It's subbed on YouTube

Anyone use photoshop here?
Just installed it a few days ago and can't seem to figure out some basic things.

Is there any way to select pixels of a layer without having to go off the canvas to right click on that thumbnail thing on the layers panel?

I know the move tool has an auto select feature, but it doesn''t restrict my brush to whats already drawn on the layer and having to constantly leave the canvas for this is really fucking annoying.


Or maybe there's another way to only paint over pixels that are already painted in a layer?


Bonus internet points if someone can also tell me how to quickly flip only the view horizontally without actually flipping the image.

it's hard.

>>3250303
look up clipping masks, or hold ctrl and click the layer (or maybe it's alt I don't use ps anymore)

>>3250140
>>3250140
>>3250140
>>3250140
Help please I've been waiting ages I haven't practiced yet today because of this shite

>>3250357
canvas size not image resolution ya fuckin dolt

Drawing was shite but I was more focused on shading.

>>3250357
Change canvas size, not image size

>>3250343
Ctrl + left click basically does the same thing as the auto-select option of the move tool. It picks the layer that the cursors pointing to on the layers menu (no marching ants).

But I found a pretty good workaround I think.
Select the layer then press the / key.

It locks that selected layers transparency so new brush strokes will not register on pixels that have no opacity.
Looks like it gives the same result as the brush-over feature in other apps.

Now if I could only figure out how to flip only the view horizontally :(

Recently decided to start using an even lighter brush so I could have cleaner lines while sketching fast and loosely. Are these gestures legible enough? I put them out real fast and hoping they're recognizable enough. The ones in the center is when I dedicate more time to them.

>>3250460
the first gestures... Your are no showing the longest axis. Maybe because you did it fast.
I think these drawings are more about rough construction than gesture drawing.
Are this from imagination or with reference?

my work below.

>>3250460
For gesture sketching it doesn't really matter.

Just do your gestures with 100% and your pen pressure set to modulate opacity.
Then once you're done and it looks good, change the entire layer to like 20% or something and draw on top of it on a new layer for your line work.

That's what I do anyway.

>>3250465
Only 3 of them were from reference. The rest were from imagination. I feel like my figures were too stiff so l I started working on gestures on the left and simplifying structures on the right, albeit messily.

Im not familiar with a longitudinal axis, but I've read of Loomis' method for balance. My gesture lines are fairly centered from the neck, to spine, and ect, though. I extend them as I need to after they're placed.

>>3250460
How do I learn to draw gestures that well? I feel like I need to learn anatomy and perspective better before I practice more with quick gestures because at this point, I feel like I'm just symbol drawing ;_;

Should I just keep gesture drawing anyway? I was using it at least as a warm up before I started doing my other drawings.

>>3250476
I knew nothing of gestures getting into it but Vilppu's Manual has really taught me much. Any knowledge on perspective I have is from the basic books /ic/ generally recommends, I could stand to refresh myself. I've just reached the point where he starts to apply detailed anatomy to figures.

First time doing 60 second poses

>>3250484
Sorry posted from mobile so its not oriented correctly

>>3250476
It just takes practice.

Try doing exercises that bypass your brains symbol-drawing system.

You have to train yourself to see an arm not as an "arm" but a 3d lump of flesh in it's current shape and orientation connected to an even bigger lump of flesh (the torso).

Deconstructing the figure into very basic 3d shapes, cylinders, cubes, ect, work wonders in this regard.

>>3250484
Don't do quick poses at your lvl, take your time and study every poses more carefully.


How am i going with this one? I know hands and feets are bad.

>>3250515
Im so hard right now.

Second try.
I learned a lot on this exercise.
If you notice something weird, tell me anon.
Any suggestion, advice, critic, destructive critic, shitpost will be apreciate. lol

If I keep losing interest does it mean that I don't actually want to do this? I'm pretty sure I went through the same shit years ago but now I feel the itch again, but I know that if I keep going I'll lose interest like last time.

>>3250233
Hey Anon, I do traditional art and I really like the way you communicated the values on that drawing. Are there any books/videos you could suggest that teach how to get a better understanding of how light affects a drawing and how to properly "hatch" it ?

Is this how I'm supposed to be doing gesture?

60 seconds again am I doing this right?

First time trying to draw seriously. How can i improve faces and general advice? Also drawing in phone is such a pain in the ass.

>>3250558
Top kek

>>3250560

>>3250558
If this is not a shot post and you are actually asking for sure

I will suggest you, to avoid digital drawing until you get out of symbol drawing. Seriously.

>>3250566
>>3250567
>If this is not a shot post
>Drawing in a phone
Seriously, Anon ?
1 + 1

>>3250556
If this was supposed to be gesture drawing, I’m afraid to tell you “nooooooo”

>>3250550
Does making progress excite you? I can't relate to dwindling passion for the craft because all my thoughts and decisions are due to art, I'm obsessed.

>>3250571
you forgot to add the crit part of your post on artwork/critique

>>3250552
It's a good start. I think the idea is to get down the motion of the figure and illustrate that to viewers. I have rough ideas of what the poses are and that's a good thing, just keep at it and develop yourself further. What are you reading to grasp gestures?

>>3250567
>>3250569
What do you two are trying to say? I draw it on Autedesk Sketch since i am to poor to get a tablet.

>>3250569
Lol
is my retardation time.
True words. Anon
But we now there is people seriously lost here.

I just try to help...

>>3250581
You're too poor to get a tablet, that I can understand. But you surely have enough money for pencils since you have a phone. I am trying to say ( 2nd Anon ) that I don't think drawing on a phone is a good idea and you have another alternative that would work wonders in your situation.. Traditional art. Also, you could buy a pen to draw on your phone if that helps you save money..
Last (you) from me

>>3250582
Life is hard out here, Anon...

>>3250581
I’m trying to help you anon,
You said

> First time trying to draw seriously.

It’s better practice fundamentals on paper and canvas because you can avoid disturbing, unnecessary stuff. You will have too many tools without know how to use them.

>>3250584
>>3250585
Kek i know the problem here but i don't want people to find things i draw so i stick to digital only... MS Paint.

>>3250200
studying my acoustic guitar
I started off with two triangles forming a hard-edged hourglasss figure than worked from that with various circles until I had something that looked right. I think the neck on the bigger one gets wider on the left near the headstock.

>>3250579
My apologize, you are right.

I can not critic it well enough because I don’t know what your goal is.
As I said if this is gesture drawing , you forgot, longest axis, wrapping lines, avoid contours, confident lines, lines with character (your style), line weight....

>>3250580
I've been watching Proko's gesture videos. Any recommendations? I browsed through Hampton's gesture book but I didn't really like it.

>>3250586
Boil or shred your paper.

>>3250590
I don't know many myself. I was actually going to try Proko's videos after touching up on anatomy.

>>3250613
You can find the longer versions on cgpeers. He made like twenty videos of different poses and his process of drawing it in 30 seconds, 60 seconds, 2 minutes, etc. I thought they were helpful, I liked being able to see how it's done.

>>3250590
The croquis cafe channel on youtube!
https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo/videos

Can go through a video every once in a while. It has 5 (1) minute gestures, 4 (2) minute gestures and 1 (5) minute gesture per videos

and they have a LOT of videos so you can choose the model your models

Just starting digitally drawing after a few years (a few years ago all i drew was anime and tumblr type shit, drawing traditionally changed my style drastically) and I've made this sketch in krita. Now I don't know where to go from here or the process to turn this into a decent piece of art.

>>3250651
Can you post a bit more recent pieces? Some stuff that's pretty varied?

>>3250674
Yeah, here's something I just did a few days ago

>>3250694
I like it. Wouldn't hurt to try and brush up on anatomy and construction, if you want to be more efficient. Maybe try perspective studies to do some crazy angles?

how do you train yourself to pick colors?
Does practicing the color guessing game with photos work because people usually say you only learn about color from mizing physical paints and making those color charts

>>3250699
Thanks! I suck at perspective so i'm gonna try learning something on it or at least attempting while I'm on break. Maybe i'll post something itt later tonight

>>3250694
holy shit what did you do to get to that level

how do I come up with a 2 character pose.

>>3250711
Idk if you're serious or not but what I do is just draw all the time and draw faces of different people and of my friends. The thing is though it's important to draw what you don't like to draw and i really never realized that, so it basically means I'm good at drawing these faces but it's challenging for me to draw them in perspective or in funky lighting. Always use reference but also add your own element of style and if your style sucks copy a bunch of other people's styles until they all merge and you find your own. the most important thing though is to just draw and draw a lot, but stop when you start to get frustrated because that fucks you up

>>3250604
You dare to defy her!?

>>3250200
Okay how do you actually draw from imagination? The sticky and Proko's video on imagination says to use construction, but that makes no sense. How can you construct something you haven't seen before or drawn before? Construction is a means of simplification of the complex forms of reality, but what about the imaginary? You can't simplify what doesn't even exist yet because you can't even begin to comprehend the complexity. How did artists of the past draw from imagination? Did they even draw from imagination? It shows they use reference a lot, so it's more like copy and pasting than imagination which is something new. Imagination must be a new and recent thing then like cartoons and anime, those don't exist in life. How did they come up with those? Not construction, so how?

>>3250735
you concieve of an object or being in your head
then you do the basic shapes construction
the way you draw something from your imagination is by imagining it first.
It is absolutely true that you can't drw that which you have never before seen, but if you haven't seen it you haven't imagined it either, the moment your brain comes up with an object or creature, the moment it has visualisation of what it might look like is the moment you have seen it.

>>3250200
tried adding color and painting sketch

>>3250750
initial sketch

>>3250750
How are you so good at rendering skin?

>>3250759
are you being sarcastic? i appreciate it if your not lol

>>3250200
When I'm done reading (and doing some of the exercises) with the "perspective made easy" book, do you think that I'll be ready to tackle the loomis "figure drawing for all it's worth" book?

It's just been sitting alone in my closet.
BTW does anyone else prefer to study with the physical versions of art books?

>>3250076
crits pls

>>3250772
No, you need to be a lot better at copying before you can move on to figures.

>>3250784
v clean indeed

i want to die

>>3250823
Honestly same

>>3250823
>>3250826
Replace it with drawing and you'll be on your way to becoming a /beg/.

Is this a good composition?

>>3250313
>>3250314
>>3250546
post reference

>>3250841
Tell me what's bad composition.

>>3250844
something I don't want to look at for more than 10 seconds

>>3250845
replace "I" with "you"

A lazy portrait during a lazy holiday!

>>3250853
Ah fuck I forgot to resize

>>3250854
Nvm the screenshot is even bigger than the actual image for some reason

>>3250854
Is that you or do you got a ref?

>>3250860
I'll post it tomorrow when I wake up. I think it was from a YouTube video on portrait from the last thread.

>>3250860
Actually here, it wasn't too far down in my YouTube history

https://youtu.be/QR8nAnxF5Tc
I should probably say right now I didn't actually watch the video lmao. I just wanted to draw the ref and then see how the guy draws it differently after.

Another Pracitce sketch, how did I do today?

>>3250959
Source

i dont even play this terrible game

>>3250200

>>3250959
it looks like you had trouble repositioning the arm. hogarth's dynamic figure drawing has a page early on in the book that shows you how the torso and arm changes when its raised vs lowered. might help you out.

>>3250962
i don't know if this is fotr a comission ubut it looks like the ribcage and pelvis are at different angles, which is fine, but the connnectiong part in between the two doesn't twist enough to reglect that. i think that fix and maybe making the right legf of mcree bend at 2 different angles ) and then ( at tje knee might look more dynamic.

sorry if you cant understand me im kinda drunk.

>>3250959
Your contour lines don't convey any information.

How do I stop making arms or legs too long when I draw

Since people are posting porn.

1.- I think her arms are at the wrong angle, but I am not sure.

2.- I think pussy should not be visible at this angle but I am not shure

3.- I think her head should look bigger but I am not sure

4.-I think her collarbone should not be visible but I am not sure.

Since people are posting porn.

1.- I think her arms are at the wrong angle, but I am not sure.

2.- I think pussy should not be visible at this angle but I am not shure

3.- I think her head should look bigger but I am not sure

4.-I think her collarbone should not be visible but I am not sure.

Tried a banana. It`s harder than apple because of less contrast.

>>3250842
Reference

>>3250313

>>3251032
I mean the picture

>>3251032

Pona me tu hog banana nino!, pona me tu lugol banana een ta pad!

>>3251000

sure*

I still have no fucking idea what I'm doing and I lapse straight back into symbol drawing without lines
why isn't there a loomis for painting?

>>3251070
at least I could tell you were trying to draw tyrion lannister. good job, keep at it

>>3251070
It's the same process, construct the base, make planes, except you lay down value to make the plane. It's basically what you do with hatching in academic drawing, only you're really drunk and mistakes are easy to fix. Just construct first, make them planes flat and them noses mostly perpendicular.

>>3251075
Basically this, but good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnp6WE7Ql-s

Are weebs allowed? Please review my cat girl and help.

>>3251095
Eyes are off the horizontal center line, plane of the face is at the wrong angle throwing off the whole thing, chin should usually line up with the center line running down the face. I'm a furfag so the placement of the ears offends me, but nothing you can do about that.

>>3251101
Oh, and the neck is always behind the chin in moeshit., she looks like fucking quagmire giggity. Could go wider with the neck as well as long as it starts behind the chin, that's what makes it look thick for the most part. Also could be shorter or at least be set into some shoulders.

>>3251101
>>3251103
Thanks anon

>>3251101
>>3251103
Can you save the pic and draw me some red guidelines over it for proper placement of things? I would love you.

>>3251119
This is how I'm reading it with the foreshortening of the eye on the left. It could just as easily go the other way if you got rid of the foreshortening.

>>3251140
Thank you again

>>3251146
This specific HTDM series is probably more useful. I think it's this volume specifically, I don't know, it's been a decade since I looked at it.

I decided to practice gesture by making screenshots of one video. Is it obvious what's happening in my image?

>>3250971
Do you mind me asking what you use for reference?

How do I figure out what Loomis means by "the last line (ear line) goes completely around the ball, throughout the axis at each end, and cuts the eyeline just halfway round on each side of the middle line." I am having a hard time picturing it, can anyone explain in dummy speak?

>>3251149
Can I find it for free somewhere?

>>3251160
Turns out it was the other one about pretty girls. Good stuff on not making girls look fat and how to draw jawlines. It was in the artbook thread at one time.

>>3250962
How do I get as good as you? I love how "dynamic" and "free-flowing" your drawing feels.

>>3251164
Thank you. I'll try to find it.

So, I just got some watercolors recently and drew this banana.
What do you guys think of it? How can I improve?

>>3251157
please respond

>>3251168
Edge control, use brushstrokes to follow the form, control your washes to make planes as well as texture. Throw in some drybrush.

>>3251157
Middle line.

>>3251174
>Middle line.
like I can't picture where to make the ellipse/cut in the sphere for the ear, like when I try to divide in evenly the ear is always too close

>>3251176

>>3251182
explain to me, using this picture, how I determine where to draw the ellipse for the ear line

>>3251185
Are we looking at the same book? He shows you right here. The ear starts under the brow and behind the TMJ

>>3251191
I am talking about the EAR LINE not the ear, the line that intercepts the line that grows through the brow line

>>3251194
also my picture is from fun with a pencil, this is the only picture he shows that I am aware of that is talking about what I am talking about. He doesn't explain it, he just says to "do it"

a painting i'm working on of clint eastwood. how the hell do you make lips look more manly?

>>3251199
forgot pic

>>3251196
The only fun I had with a pencil while reading that book was sticking it up my ass.

I started the drawabox lessons a year ago and managed to get through the first two lessons plus the 150 box thing but then stalled out on the third due to uni starting back up and the artist going pateron reviews only. Due to my art slowly going downhill from neglect, I'm thinking of diving into the third lesson again, but don't want to pay into the pateron due to being a cheap fuck. Are you fucks willing to critique it, or should I try the reddit drawabox community critique thing?

Do any other Krita users hate the default brushes in Krita? I love the program and the hard work the devs put into making it, but the default brushes really leave a lot to be desired. That other open source program "Mypaint" has better default brushes to me.

The wet brushes would be great if they didn't have such an annoyingly intense blend/smudge setting with them.

Also does anyone else hate how complicated Krita's brush settings page is? I wish they would put an "simple" and "advance" option in the brush menu.

>>3251259
What kind of brushes did you use back in Mypaint? I personally loved Krita since it has that rectangular brush that I use 90% of the time, which I couldn't get working with PTSai, but I know different people prefer different brushes.

>>3251259

>>3251174
Thanks! Really appreciate the criticism

>>3251277
I tried to find a better example but there aren't any so you're stuck with this.

>>3251261
Here's some examples of the brushes in mypaint. I find a lot of them are perfect once you increase the opacity of them. These brushes still have a blend function with them but not overly aggressive like with the default Krita wet brushes in >>3251259

The Krita brushes just make it look super smugly.

>>3251264
I still find it a little too confusing to edit existing brushes. That dialog seems more like if you want to create new brushes.

Unrelated but I think I'm starting to understand how people use construction to draw from imagination. The drawing in pic related in a piece of shit but now things are starting to "click" more.

I feel like If I keep studying perspective + do daily gesture drawings + study the Vilppu drawing manual + study the loomis figure drawing book + life drawing, I'll really improve by the end of the year.

>>3251298
but we only have like 4 days until the year ends, anon...

>>3251307
>*end of next year ;_;

>>3251298
the thing is that what's called "brush" in Krita is slightly different than in PS : in PS it usually means just the shape that is being stamped on each stroke, but in Krita it's the whole brush with all its settings, including default size and opacity, and the shape setting is what I posted.
the Krita documentation is pretty good, you can check it out :
http://docs.krita.org/Introduction_to_Krita_coming_from_Photoshop#What_Krita_Has_Over_Photoshop
http://docs.krita.org/Loading_and_Saving_Brushes

>>3251070

it's a fucking unfinished sketch. Everyone draws symbol at this stage.

>>3251185

You can't. It's a fucking side view. It needs to be at an angle for you to see the ellipses. Otherwise it's a straight line.

>>3251340
that circle is not at an angle?

>>3251376

I'm talking about this image >>3251182

>>3251013
If u dont paint on the same color background as your ref your values will be fucked up.

>>3250984
YEah man I understand what you mean. I was too caught up in tummy (tumMei) drawing that it slipped me, thanks for the catch.

I found difficult “to gesture draw” while using just pen.
I’m using HI-TEC-C pen by PILOT
The goal on this is same, gesture drawing but with pen.

Your opinion on this can be helpful

>>3251399
Waterbrush. It doesn't work with the g-tec pens though.

>>3250586
Jesus, how can someone be this autistic?

If you don't have money for a tablet then just use a pencil and paper.

Nobody is going to give two shits about what you draw anyway until you get good.

>>3250200
how are these?

not rly fan of the right one but I like the left one.

Do you use HSB or RBG for color picking? Does anyone use Lab? I'm using HSB but I wan't to try switching to RBG to see if it helps me understand color better. I only learned about Lab today, apparently people use it for correcting with curves, but I on't know if anyone paints with it.

>>3251417
got potential, but the drawings are ugly, make the shadows warmer on the left

Can’t recover my proko login hehe
:$ nooooooo

>>3251428
Like this?

Idk how to saturate the shadows more without also doing it to the light, guess I shoudn't do them on the same layer :I

How do I make character sketches look more 3D without shading/a fuckton of cross contour lines?

I've seen forms being built by using less line/ only slight line indications to show the form, but I am not very good at really applying that. I tend to draw more line than I should be. I'm not really sure how to make character sketches look more 3D without shading/a ton of cross contours.

>>3251441
Try drawing in two tones, one for light and one for shadow. If you are using toned paper you can use a white pencil crayon for highlights.

When it comes to keeping everything in proportion, how can I go about keeping something like a figure drawing in proportion, so I don't get tunnel vision? I know I can put an "envelop" around the area to start, but that won't keep me from inadvertently drawing things smaller in certain areas it seems.

>>3250572
Eh. I feel a bit better knowing that sometimes the sketches aren't as shit as last time. But I feel as though I put way too much effort in for so little quality.

I'm somewhat better at painting and color than line drawing, but oil painting is such a hassle and my line drawing sucks donkey dicks. It also seriously held me back.

I wanted to start drawing fabrics. How is this so far?

Is it possible to do textures with a hard round brush? By that I mean manually.

>>3251497
Yes. You could individually pick the color of each pixel if you wanted to.

>>3251095
Please for the love of god don't learn all the unnecessary dumb shit manga style has to offer. Center your mouth, don't do side mouths and cover your eyes and eyebrows in this case behind the hair.

>>3251498
That is technically not a wrong answer...

I made a comic recently, any advice in comic making would be really nice.

2nd page

>>3251511
its cute.

3rd page

>>3251516
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!

4th page

5th page

6th page

7th page

8th page

9th page

10 page

11th page, sorry for the spam any advice would be great.

why does this look all fucked up and wrong to me? I can't tell why it's so off :/

>>3251537

the ear is wrong

>>3251540
she wanted an elf ear. besides that? lol

>>3251528
this was very cute + amusing, nice job anon

>>3251537
Do an overlay of the drawing over the photo, it's all lined up, up to the chin, then it all leans left above that. Pay more attention to measurements, and proportions.

Is painting with sai even worth it?

>>3251549
SAI is cheap so yeah.

>>3251549
If you want to be like all the cool Nips, you have to use SAI.

I prefer photoshop now but I remember enjoying SAI when I used to use it.

>>3251551
I try having a acryl look on my paintings and I'm switching all the time between photoshop and sai.Photoshop runs bad on my pc and all the brushes are feeling kinda weird in sai so I try right now krita.

>>3251537
Placements and stuff looks fine. You should shade or add depth to make it look less flat since that's why it might look a bit weird.

>>3251528
Nice comic. I really liked it. made me laugh a bit.

I don't really have any advice to give you other than suggesting looking at comics you like and see what they do and challenge yourself to make harder scenes that can be even cooler to look at.

Improving marksmanship is always a great thing to be doing. So keep making fun little comics like this one.

>>3251550
>paying for sai
kek

Which bridgeman book am I supposed to read first

>>3251646
None.

I'm serious.

>>3251648
What do I do then

>>3251537

Neck is too far back. Study how the head connect to the neck. Just google some anatomy photo. Other than that it's a pretty good base to start shading.

>>3251548
thanks, i'll be more careful about that next time.

>>3251601
does this look better?

>>3248401

Tried to fix it... I guess this is my limit. For now...

>>3251528
this was great! i dont think you'll be able to get much constructive crit in this thread though.

>>3251662

shit wrong file...

I finished Loomis but it's so fucking hard touching Edwards book. Is this a big meme by /ic/? I cannot fucking deal with her bullshit blabbering anymore.

>>3251663
blog?

>>3251671
https://gs95.tumblr.com/

>>3251661
blog?

I don't really know how to oil paint but I tried

>>3250200
>tfw you're featured in /beg/ OP
should I be honored or does it mean I'm ngmi

>>3251719
B featured in the /beg/ thread is like winning the retarded olympics. Sure, you're better than all the other retards who entered but you're still retarded.

>>3251463

anyone?

>>3251719

>>3251719
Who even makes the /beg/ threads in the first place?

I'm going through Perspective Made Easy, but there's something I don't quite understand. I get how to determine the position of the vanishing points, but not the.. I guess the direction of them? He talks about the spacing between two vanishing points but once I place one the lines I draw from it can go in any direction really, right? I tried making a simple example. When drawing the lines from a vanishing point how do I know to do his given example instead of the red lines on the right?

I feel like I should draw her smoking a cigarette and making fun of me.

>>3251742
Someone who really shouldn't

I feel like I should draw her smoking a cigarette and making fun of me.

>>3251751
chin is off centre and mouth is a tad too low, otherwise this looks pretty decent to continue and detail or whatever else you wanna do

>>3251755
Thanks, anon! Do you think it's weird that the eyebrows don't match? I had a hard time trying to fix the right one.

>>3251745
Draw a straight line vertically. Connect both points of the vertical line to the first and second VP. Mark down two more vertical lines to the left and right of the original vertical line. Connect the top points of the newly created left and right vertical line to the vanishing points.

Can I get some redlines or suggestions? I'm still not really sure how this looks. I tried posing like it and it seemed possible if not just difficult.

>>3251528
Best manga.

>>3251528
This is hilarious! DESU I thought old man tassle was going to violate him, but the ending was awesome. Watch your grammar, page 3 should say "and they're off", where you used their. Page 8 should read loses, not "looses"

>>3251742
me

>>3251748
im doing a good thing by not letting these people make their own threads

>>3251756
it's not as big of an deal as the other two imo. as long as they both start and end at about the same lengths/heights it should be fine.

>>3251527
Blog?

need advice on a couple of things im new to /ic/ and havent really ever studied loomis or anything else mentioned here besides looking ul some general tutorials on human body
im bad at perspective and need to git gud at backgrounds so i can make cartoons im gonna post a few pics plz critique
1/3
this one i wasnt sure where to put the leg

tried to use my room corner as the focal point and the doorway shows my hallway idk if u can tell

some other stuff like i said i tried to study form before

Is my use of perspective good

How do I practice drawing cylinders and shit in perspective

How many fucking bricks does this guy think I have?!

• im no pro but the right arm feels off

>>3251817
Like this
just draw them with extra lines like they're a collection of rings that make up a cylinder
i do it to draw arms in perspective

>>3251812
You may find this helpful.

That being said, you have the right idea, but your sense of anatomy isn't at the point where you can make extreme poses like this. Notice how the body/head aren't skewed the same way as the arm, as if they exist in their own perspective.

>try really hard for 2 weeks
>demoralized and stop
>few months later limp back here
>repeat for the rest of my life
How do I stop being retarded

>>3251842
Accept that you're bad and you will make bad artworks early on. From mistakes come progress, and over time you will make less and less mistakes. As long as you enjoy the process of drawing and don't emotionally invest too much in the outcomes, you should be good to go.

>>3251842
beer i do everything better and with a smile when i am of drinking
might be an alcoholic tho

>>3251842
You can't, but you can keep drawing.

>>3251842
a basically these guys keep doodling dont take things too seriously and remember have fun with it! remember why you wanted to learn in the first place for me its animation and /co/
>>3251844
>>3251847

>>3250200
Why am i so fucking pathetic, I can't even start a simple god damned drawing, even when it's for someone else for a specific date. I just procrastinate and procrastinate, then when it comes time to crunch my mind draws complete blanks.
How do i stop this?

>>3251844
>>3251850
I try. It just feels like my hand gets heavier and heavier as I go till I just can't. I know I have improved and learned things yet it still doesn't help. Do you guys genuinely not have anxiety about it? Or is it just a stop bitching and do it anyway sort of thing?
>>3251845
Green chip unfortunately

>>3251863
ADHD?

>>3251865
For you, I think you should just stop bitching and do it.

>>3251866
Was tested for it as a kid and was told no.

How do I practice drawing shapes when I don't have any

>>3251865
i think i know what you mean your drawing with a heavy hand
it cause you need to keep things loose and keep things light
drawing studies repitiously sux i get the same way
draw what you want to it and youll be out of sight it doesnt have to be excellent just as long as its practice, Doodle! its not gonna bark or bite
>>3251863
nigga just site down and start doodling if not then you really are forcing yourself and are not enjoying it enough to actually want to draw
>>3251870
the internet is full of reference if your you're too stupid to remember what a rectangle or pyramid look like and draw or picture a light source

I must try to do my quick gestures before I go to bed....

>>3251821
I remember doing that assignment for my drawing 1 class last semester.

>>3250200
What do you do if you can't find an exact reference of a pose you're trying to draw? Just take similar enough ones and make an educated guess?

>>3251528
11/10

Is there a trick to doing the gesture of lying, sitting and hanging figures?

>>3252005
Gravity

Physics

Vectors

>>3251156
literally pornhub.com

>>3250252
Study his drawings and break them down into construction.

Still getting used to drawing on a tablet. Here's some stuffs.

>>3252081

>>3252081
Last one.

>>3252082
hogarth?

Tried drawing like an artist I like and had a bunch of their art up to see what parts about their faces I liked. For the first time ever I actually liked how my art came out. How can I convert this into drawing from life so i can do more pictures of cute girls. Whenever I try drawing from reference it's a monster af. But for the moment having a ton of art from the artist you admire really helped me a ton. Why hadn't I heard this before on ic...

>>3251000

It is way to stylized to know for sure.

>>3251000
You still do this type of art? I think i was in an artblog with you. Did you do art of some like family with orange-y hair with a buff dad or something like that. That was years ago but ya still into beyond loli levels of child?

>>3250551
Are you familiar with figure drawing by Anthony Ryder? A lot of what I doing draws inspiration from the way him renders. The thing is that, it is not an entirely unconscious process. Even though typically when people think about hatching they think about fast sketches, but often times, you'll need to consider the direction of the form and density of the marks in order for it to look "coherent" if that make sense.

Pencil is more forgiving than pen in terms of cross hatching, but if you want to practice just hatch marks then sometimes you have to force yourself to do it with pen.

>>3252157
who's the artist you studied?

>>3252157
very pretty,I love her lips and eyes. but the emphasis of the shading on the nose and its intensity that isn't present anywhere else is confusing...

>>3251164
Found it, but it's in Japanese...

How do I transfer something I see into something smaller or bigger on paper. My proportions are always fucked

How did I do today? I had a hard time rotating the body and waist as well as making the tits look 3d.

>>3252602
not bad, body looks a little too long, not sure if that's what you were going for or not since the face also looks long

>>3252602
I don't think these tiny lines are helping you
try painting instead

>>3252618
I haven't started learning how to paint yet. Still got to revist both body and face construction. As well as drawing clothes.

>>3252614
I messed up the proportions, I think I'm about half a head too long if we go up to her crotch which I should be around 3 heads down.

https://youtu.be/e1XNhQ8f4BQ

>>3252602

>>3252602
something that always helps me is to look at the negative space around the figure, it's a lot easier to check those little shapes and they make a big difference. by negative space i mean, for example seeing if the shape made in between the arm and torso looks the same, or the shape made by the left elbow and the contour of the breast, as well as looking for things that are parallel to each other that could be used for reference, such as the top of the phone meeting the middle of the eye.

good job practicing so much though!!!

>>3252227

I no longer have blogs or anything, I am to scared.

>>3252449
Korean artist called akcho. He did the art for some nexon games

>>3252451
Ahh can see how that's jarring. It had more shading before around face but made it more uniformly lighter as I worked on it.

Goal: To study the torso and waist relationship.

I underestimated the been
The first beans I drew were totally garbage so I didn’t upload them.
On this page I tried to really understand tilt and twist of the models using a pillow. I can’t see anything wrong with them. Maybe line quality (using a pen); I’m tired from my arm because my job.

>>3252701
bro you are retarded af. if you are gonna redline at least make it correct. did you even see the ref they posted. the rotation in the hips. did you even see that??? wtf

>>3252855

You can always redline his redline.

>>3252512
Just learn Japanese. Or just copy the illustrations and figure it out on your own.

>>3252855
crab lol, im sure you draw like 2 year old

>>3253006
you give me too much credit. I draw at best like a 1 year old.

>>3252602
I don't know how i'd redline yours. But here have this its p much showing you what you shouldn't do. Cause i'm a shit artist but at least i'll post work.

some more of those silly loomis faces. They're pretty good for practicing construction, but I dunno when I can safely move on to other stuff in the book

How can I improve my construction?

>>3253035
go look at stuff you like. see what proportions they use. what relationships you can find and apply it to your work. start with head length and how it relates to other parts of the body. Also fix your fucking chicken scratching. looks so fucking bad.

>>3253025
what the fuck does this accomplish besides drawing ugly ass derp faces. I don't get it to be honest.

>>3253041
they're pretty helpful for practicing construction

>>3253025
Why not skip that shitty book and go to the Loomis book about drawing the head and hands

>>3253025

Start with loomis after you can copy from life or photo ref. At least until you have decent accuracy with your observation drawings.

>>3251528
I love this. Put a smile on my face. That's what art is really about.

How do I capture the gesture of figures that more or less standing straight? All my attempts so far seem to suck.

>>3253025
Faces are rounder than last thread. Placement is still off. Try copying some completed Loomis heads verbatim line by line. That is, find a finished head in the book, copy a line of it, and then copy another line, and keep going until the drawing has been copied completely.

>>3253041
>what the fuck does this accomplish besides drawing ugly ass derp faces. I don't get it to be honest.
Gives you the means to draw people. Drawings will mostly be fucked, but you'll have something to build from. If you want more realistic heads, hands, anime tiddies, etc. you can just do studies of those and build your knowledge on top of shitty Fun With a Pencil construction. Pic related.

my acoustic guitar study

>>3253088
Joints
Tendons
Muscles
Bones

>>3252602
Consider measure the angle of outer contour of the figure's silhouette, and then use that to figure out the relative proportion of rest of the figure when you draw them.
Consider doing gesture as well, try to get a basic jest of the entire figure in 1-2 minute per pass.

>>3253088
Maybe you're oversimplifying? Compare the left arm of the girl with the left arm of your pictures. When I look at her arm, I see it go straight down and curve out, but in your picture the left arm juts out from the shoulder and homes in on the axe. Look at the distance between her arm and the knee. Compare it to yours. There's quite a bit going on in that picture.

>>3253091
Good work. Now draw it from a weird angle. You'll learn more and your picture will be far more interesting to look at. The symmetry on the head (The part where you adjust the wires is the head, right?) should fade away if you try to copy it accurately.

>>3253106
yh, the bit where you adjust the wires (actually called strings) is called the head-stock.

>>3253088
Try practicing some anatomy first.

Yes it's very technical and you'll need to spend a lot of time for drawing these detailed bones, but ultimately it will help your brain understand the position and rotation of bones and joints.

Which in turn will help your gestures tremendously.

Fuck, how do you keep your proportions straight? I thought this drawing was looking alright, but I just realized her feet are bigger than her goddamn head.

anyone else struggling with anatomy? finding it hard to get things to just effing look right. I spent all day yesterday drawing a fucking knee and i feel like i didn't learn anything. today i was working on legs and i got tired, didnt really learn how to draw them well either. any tips?

>>3253093
>>3253103
>>3253145

Thanks guys, I'll look at at anatomy. I downloaded Bridgeman's anatomy book so I'll have a look at that. Picture is unrelated, just a frame from a comic I copied.

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>>3250841
If you rush through am exercise you learn nothing

>>3250587
Okay, now do it at an angle.

>>3251259
Yes but it's really easy to get what you want from calmly reading the settings. I use the David Revoy brushes as my base in Krita
https://www.davidrevoy.com/article319/krita-brushkit-v8

If you don't know how to render at a basic level, the best brushes in the world aren't going to help you.