/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3244706
How do I actually fucking draw anime hands?

>>3244706
>how do I actually fucking draw anime

What if I told you Loomis and only Loomis?

>>3244711

by drawing real hands desushi

>>3244716
Loomis is a meme

>>3244718
How to actually fucking draw real hands when there's so many wrinkles and lines?

Oh I almost forgot, the assignment.

Our first thread assignment ever and for the first couple of #s will be real basic. Today, please try you hand at this first lesson of drawing head.

https://www.palmie.jp/lessons/13

Lesson 13 will continue until depending on how fast this thread finishes so no rush.

>>3244716
WRONG
>>3244720
ALSO WRONG

>>3244725
Just draw the construction? Or the left too?

>>3244729
Up to you how far you want to take it.

>>3244733
Just like my old art classes would say.

>>3244724

I might upload some videos on hands. But I don't love you guys that much.

>>3244706
Holy shit, that neck is pencil thin.

sorry for off topic but why did the mods deleted the las thread? when there are multiple draw my oc , and a lot of shitposting threads?

>>3244706
>science and study
So I can geek out about the perfection proportions right? Like Aikatsu's and KyoAni's look in comparison to more general proportions like Blade Dance or Strike the Blood.

>>3244783

Your tastes matches mine, anon. Are we fraternal twins?

Is there some kind of trick to how anime hair is drawn?
Maybe it's cause I don't truly understand how real hair is done, but it seems to work differently.

>>3244799
There are all different kinds of "anime hair". If you could provide some examples of the type you mean, it would make it easier to help you.

>>3244725
i like that artstyle, did you draw that, anon? it looks kind of different from the website

>>3244801
I'm particularly thinking of something closer to KyoAni's style. Think Hyouka or Hibike.

Anime hands have practically no detail mine just look weird when I try it.

>>3244706
Here's some anime for you to draw.

I've been reading Devils and Realist but the art seems kind of clipped. The first few issues don't flow very well.

Is it ever justified to construct a figure with five heads instead of six?

>>3244847
You should probably just stick to one head per figure in most cases.

>>3244847
I know that smirk makes her look kind of ugly.

>>3244819
You know what that means when it happens, right? You need to go study real hands and anatomy until you can stylize it properly. Anime hands leave out some details and are pretty simplified, however they do keep implications of bone, tendon, muscle and fat. You're gonna have to learn about them to really understand how to replicate that style.

It's not too hard to learn, just keep at it, read some Hogarth's Dynamic aHnds and Anatomy for Sculptors by Uldis Zarin and Sandis Kondrats. There are pictures of hands all over the Internet that you can use for practice.

Good luck!

I draw myself in this JoJo's bizarre adventure style, even though I hate that artist.

>>3244864
>that jojo

lol

>>3244864
I always admired blind artists.
Stay strong, my friend.

Don't all post at once.

What's beautiful?

>>3244807
Look at the shapes rather than lines

amIdoingitright?

>>3244893
I like the flow of this comic.

Based off the 1980's miniseries The Cleopatra's.

>>3244893

Not bad. I forgot that jump thing was still going on.

>>3244893
How did you get this good?
>inb4 asian

>>3244952
He is black I think

>>3244847
>>3244876
>>3244880
>>3244911

You know, this is nice and all, but I'm not exactly sure it falls into the topic of the thread all that much. I know there's really stylized anime and manga, but I'm pretty sure the kind the thread's focusing on is a lot softer and more "moe." I mean I can't look at this and not see clearly western influences at a glance.

>>3244883
Yeah, I've been looking at it and I noticed a lot of it seems to basically just be very basic shapes that just kinda fall down and are drawn/rendered as though they are hair.
A lot simpler than I thought.

do you guys use this shit when drawing animu , i can't make it work with my uguu anime face

>>3244893
what is your secret? loomis?

>>3244912
Deadline is Jan 5th.

This is my 2nd one shot, I wanna get it done before the deadline so I can also have it in.

>>3244952
No lie.

8+ hours a day, every single day for the past 2 years. My first ever manga was this shitty Trump one called the Debattle that I made last year. You can really see the progress I made in just one year if you compare these two one shots to that, and then what I made when making Heavy is the Head.

>>3244968
Lol, I'm white. Spanish actually.

>>3245009
I always just draw a simple cube, or a very simplified cubic skull (comprised of two cubes, in the proportions of what I want, divide that horizontally and vertically, middle line and brow line, and just "sculpt it" from there.

I tend to be very expressive too, so typically, I don't even start with the skull till I have a caritcature/doodle of the sort of expression that I want.

>>3245042
While I would recommend everyone read Loomis, it's not what I would say helped me the most. If you can draw a cube in perspective, you can draw pretty much anything. Thus, I'd say Robertson. His book on perspective is 10/10, and truly the one art book I'd say everyone should grind again and again and again. Whereas Loomis and others you can go through them once, and grasp the concepts, or have been elaborated on better by other artists, Robertson's course on perspective is still uncontested, and more useful than anything else imo, because it helps you internalize "thinking in 3D." Combine than with Vilpuu for gesture to really push your dynamism, and most of the tools you need for making manga are kinda there.

Anatomy, while important, isn't worth obsessing over like perspective is, if your goal is manga. Especially for the faces, you're breaking anatomy so hard, it's really going to fuck you over more than anything if you go too deep into it, and don't learn to stylize properly.

cont...

>>3245096
>I'm white
>Spanish

>>3245096
cont... 2/2

This is why it's important to really zero in on WHAT you wanna do as an artist most of all. The fundies you need most depend on what your goals are. So you should zero in on what's most necessary, rather than wasting time on what you don't need, by trying to be good at everything.

That said, it still takes countless hours. I cannot understate the benefit of drawing A LOT. The only way you'll truly get better is by putting the hours in. 10,000 hours to mastery is no meme. In these two years, I must have put in a solid 5000 hours. But I wouldn't say it's 10,000 to mastery. It's more like a black belt in Martial Arts. It's 10,000 hours till you're pro, but there's still the upper "Dans" persay, that really set people apart.

However, it's not just putting in a lot of hours. Getting into a state of flow, where you just keep going up and up and up and up, only ever happens if you DON'T STOP drawing. Do it till it hurts, till you have headaches, build that work ethic and discipline to keep pushing no matter what. That's the only way to get good at this, there's no other way around it. Obviously, you can't start with 8 hours a day, but you should definitely work toward that. If this is what you wanna do for a living, getting to a level where you can get paid for doing this, and sustain yourself so you can dedicate more time to drawing by doing what I like to call "paid practice" should be priority number one.

More than anything, I'd say making actual manga is what really pushed me to even higher levels, because you're drawing so many panels in one page, and pushing them out very fast, you really start to sharpen your skills. Especially since manga will require you to draw stuff that's normally outside of your comfort zone, based on what shots and compositions you need, thus, you'll improve a lot faster than if you focus on doing one painting a day of stuff that you like cause you find it easy to do.

>>3245105
My attempt at manga, next time I'll draw my original manga

>>3244727
technically you probably could use only loomis (all of the books not just fwap) to get knowledgeable enough to draw anime. if you studied and really knew all of it and could draw it you could do anime. its just stylistic changes.

>>3244720
^he is a meme for a reason . because he is a good teacher.

>>3245105
>That said, it still takes countless hours. I cannot understate the benefit of drawing A LOT. The only way you'll truly get better is by putting the hours in.

Yeah but what do I draw.

>>3245167
Anything and everything.

>>3245170
How do I stop feeling like I'm drawing wrong.

>>3245096
>>3245105
>>>/a/166066810
How do you feel about blank backgrounds?

>>3245096

I always thought you were black. Image of dogboy ruined.

>>3245105
>clearly a girl
>had to see her crotch to tell it's a girl
>in that attire
Highly questionable

>>3244971
More More, okay I'll run with that. I'm a fan of Tezuka's Cleopatra: Queen of Sex but I wanted to read a manga that was more literate.

>>3245410
*Moe

Is Amerimanga banned here or something? What are the best examples of it?

>>3245412
Post to all style. This thread is strictly for eastern stylization. Always for both.

>>3245426
Post to alt style. Alt is for both. Dumb phone auto-correct.

>>3244725
that profile is horrible

>>3244893
>>3245096
>>3245105
Can I unironically follow you on your social networks?

>>3245105
You're always a nice presence on /ic/. Can't wait to see where this project goes.

Anyway, I feel like you need some more breathing room in your panelling. There's a lot going on with dialogue and emotions that it's hard for me to read pages like this >>3245096 cleanly. But that might be because I read slower paced manga and not really action geared like how you're setting your manga up to be.

>>3244893
>>3245105
God, seeing this shit really makes me feel like such a talentless hack

Does anyone have image of that 3D anime character where she looks okay, but when the camera changes and is placed in front of said character, the face looks completely fucked.

I've seen it get posted here often.

>>3245615
no , but you can use this

>>3245615

>>3245630
She doesn't even look okay to begin with.

>>3245630
I think he did that without perspective, so he distorted the picture to make it looks like it was in perspective.

>>3245229
I'm no expert, as I'm still learning the ins an outs of making manga. Both the anon that you quoted, and this anon >>>/a/166067946 are both half right.

Blank backgrounds do serve a purpose, which is to convey certain emotions like silence, or emptiness, calmness, etc... it depends. However, looking at the page most were criticizing <a href="/a/thread/166062101#p166066055" class="quotelink">>>>/a/166066055,</a> I'd say this particular page feels like it lacks backgrounds due to it being rushed, rather than the white spaces being intentionally blank. I find it funny that Bleach was brought up, as Bleach is an example of a manga in which blank backgrounds are used intentionally to make the fights more dynamic, and because it suited the thematic tone of the story (the afterlife and all that). By contrast BnHA is a hero story set in urban environments, thus, it'd make sense for it to make more abundant use of detailed backgrounds to give a more concrete sense of place to the story.

That all said, you don't wanna clutter your pages too much by adding a background into every panel. This can tire the reader's eye, and it diminishes the effect of big sprawling backgrounds in spreads. Thus, blank backgrounds can also be used to create contrast, not only between black ink and white paper to make things pop, but also the general impact of things. Still, that page has way too many just pure blank background, I feel he could have used more "emotional" background effects like hatching and such to add more to the mood.

>>3245360
Lol, what led you to believe I was black?

>>3245529
I go by ManlySpirit on social networks, though I haven't really been active in a while.

>>3245536
Thanks!

I get what you mean about the paneling, in fact, those pages took a long time to make due to how dense they were. Still they kinda need that fast beat, due to the comedy and the interaction. Back and forth banter doesn't work very well if you spread it too thin among many pages as it ruins the comedic timing. It kinda has to hit you like "BAM BAM BAM" you know what I mean?

Still, I try to offset it by making the pages where things take a break larger and giving them more breathing room.

I kinda see it like cuts in a comedy film they kinda have to hit you with the right timing so it works right.
Also, for the record, if I ever just not reply to people and stuff, it's cause I've been blacklisted as a bot on Google's captcha for posting on 4chan too much, so sometimes it just shuts me out, giving me the "ERROR: you mistyped the captcha" message again and again. It's super annoying, and eventually, I just give up and stop trying to post.

Bump

Has anyone an answer to why there's such clear difference between authentic animus vs western emulation? I can't even pin point what it is. Does it have something to do with having to learn & write bazillion different symbols since childhood and therefore have more confident hand at all kinds of tips and turns with pencil?

>>3245771
Westerners focus too much on realism and details. Easterners just want their picture to be able convey their message

>>3245778
That would make sense... I gotta try drawing with that perspective in mind. Thanks anon.

>>3245771
Besides what >>3245778 said, I think the East also tends to lean a bit more towards a heavier idealization. If they wanna see these big expressive eyes and pretty hair but not any kind of nostril, that's just kinda precisely what they do.

>>3245778
>tfw you're a westerner eastern and stuck in the middle

>>3245812
Post art pls sir

>>3245771
Because white pig is draw like shit.
Only japan can draw good anime.
West is only good for furry grabage made for white retard fat pig.

>>3245812
Wtf you mean? Your from india or some shit?

>>3245009
well, depending on the style you want to achieve you have to adjust the proportions. But this already works for most semi-realistic anime.

>>3245105
Are you a NEET? and if not, how do you manage to squeeze 8 hours of daily grind into your everyday life?

>>3245778
>>3245786
You guys are speaking from a very limited experience and have no idea of the history of cartoons in the west. It's not all Marvel and DC from the USA. Those easterners you are talking about have probably learned their tricks from the west from stuff like Disney or European comics.

>>3245930
Mind dedicating some of your time to educate the masses by expanding on all your points?

>>3245900
How do animators do it? Do they use that too? Or do they just keep general proportions all the time and make it work regardless?

>>3245931
/ic/ dies not represent the masses. Just look at the styles of Japanese cartoons and how they have changed. Then look at stuff like European comics from around that time. It's not like borders matter when it comes to inspiration and many japanese artists themselves mention foreign inspirations. It's just weebs who think that if a japanese did it then they invented it.

When it comes to modern animation and form language then disney pretty much set the standard with its first stuff. They treated it like an artform and went abstract in all sorts of ways. Hired famous artist at the time and schooled their animators in new ways.


A personal opinion is that marvel and DC is like a poison to the industry in the west.

these threads are literally the new /beg/

>>3245942
that would imply you visit both places. A pattern perhaps?

>>3245921
There are 168 hours in the week. Even with a full time job you have roughly 30 hours left. You can jump that up to 40 hours if you cut back on sleeping like a little bitch. 40 hours becomes a full time job hours commitment. If you commit to this, you're doing more work than 95% of /ic/ already.

>Lol, what led you to believe I was black?

Your posting style firstly and what you draw 2ndly. I also thought I saw you post that you were black in some race debate thread but then again that could be my memory faulting.

>>3245731
>Lol, what led you to believe I was black?
Your posting style firstly and what you draw 2ndly. I also thought I saw you post that you were black in some race debate thread on /ic/ but then again that could be my memory faulting.

Was practicing different hair style for a challenge. Decided to go eastern-like. How'd I do?

I would like to see your anime drawings

>>3246113
The first and 3rd one look ok. The others look bad.

How do you guys color your work? I'm a complete noob at all this shit, and I find coloring to be arguably the most time consuming and dreadful phase. There has to be a faster, easier way to do so. Here's my whole process:
>Sketch layer
>"Ink" lineart over Sketch layer
>Hide sketch layer, insert Coloring layer under lineart.
>Manually color everything in by hand and then shade on mask layers over the base colors base layers

Pic related is obviously not my work, but something like this would take me at least a couple of nights to finish, and the more polished stuff takes me around a week.

>>3246193
Following up my first post, something I'd like to figure out how to do is get rid of this kind of shit on my coloring and lines and make it more like the shit on the left sample. Those lines are all nice and crisp and solid, but mine, even though I'm working with full opacity and shit on my brush, still seem kind of "transparent" after coloring. See how the dark lines seem like there's color seeping in underneath?

>>3244911
Transferred to bristol with a Moe style adjustment. Did I take it too far or not far enough?

>>3246244
How do I axe these noses without losing character in the process?

>>3246246
By losing the nose, the chiseled features of the faces and the overall shape of he eyes, and well, the manliness of every character, you'd be getting closer to the "character" of anime characters. Take that as you will. See, the thing that I've noticed a lot about /ic/ and western artists is that, as another anon alluded to earlier, westerners are too fixated on details, and too fixated on bringing over what they know to eastern styles of art, which work with a more "less is more" mentality. At some point, I used to try and draw in the shape of the nose like you're doing on the top left corner one. And you know what I got told? "It looks like shit, get rid of it, it's too western." And they were right. Get rid of the nose entirely, and work with as little lines you can to make a shape that your brain will fill in as "nose" and then slowly work towards learning how to actually do noses more in the style. I know this is a bit of a meme example, and not even a good one for what I'm trying to elaborate on given Murata's versatile style with more western influences, but still compare.

>>3246251
I'll have to cut away at those jaws, chins and noses. Maybe the eyes can do the talking. I know I don't want to draw details in every panel... I'll have to exaggerate the headdress and think about fashion too. Good advice thanks!

>>3245009
I used loomis 4 this, i just make the eyes bigger and the nose smaller an less detailed and of course sharper chin thinner neck etc....

>>3245096
>>3245105
Your art's getting better and better but holy shit you can't write a story to save your life. Your earlier mangas were some of the most autistic things I've ever seen, and this current tripe looks like some of the most unimaginative takes on character designs I've ever seen. Take some writing prompt courses. Find out what makes a character tick. Good advice overall though.

>>3245096
>>3245731
>Debattle
>shitty
>a total hit
>MS
Holy shit it's you. You've gotten so much better, it's insane.

>>3245771

>>3246203
Just work at a higher resolution.

>>3246293
i hope you are joking

>>3245096
>Thus, I'd say Robertson. His book on perspective is 10/10
what's the actual name of this book, "robertson perspective" comes up with nothing

>>3246351
I assume he's talking about scott robertson's how to draw

>>3246346
what do you mean?

>>3246203
Vectors lines buddy. Look em up.

You gotta use vectors.

>>3246345
Will try that next.

>>3246422
Is that how shit like pic related is made? I'm currently using Krita since I'm poor as fuck, and the vector shit there seems like a hassle

>>3246461
Definitely not, you just need a higher resolution. Software is irrelevant here.

>>3246461
Yes. Any time you see clean linework in a digital picture it is vectors.

What does it even mean to study anime?

>>3244706
>How can I draw shit?

>>3246496
Not true you noob.

Why does this shit thread exist? don't you prepubescent/pedo/filthy casuals already have a leaking containment thread?

>>3246656
Your question will be answered when I'm done writing the FAQ. For now, please take a moment to figure out where you are.

>>3246659
The board doesn't need another anime or beg thread, post your shit cartoon scribbles in either one of those threads cunt

>>3246661

Just hide the thread, pest.

>>3246661
>shit cartoon scribbles
Why do people go out of their way to shit on anime but give Western comic shit a pass? That shit is absolutely disgusting. There's so much worse garbage on /ic/ than this thread.

>>3246662
said the cancer

>>3246674
>There's so much worse garbage on /ic/ than this thread.
Yea, the other 20 pedo ridden anime threads

>>3246682

What post ITT leads to paedophilia? You're the only one bringing it up because you're the only vocal pedo here.

>>3246682
Anime contributes more value to the world than whatever shit you work on. Fact. Sorry not sorry.

>>3245930
>>3245939
Doesn't matter who they took inspiration from or how they learned or who started it all

what's with /ic/'s beef with anime?

>>3246812
I dunno, but the fact that they don't have a similar beef with western comics makes me think they just have terrible taste.

When are you going to post your work OP?

>>3246812
They all want to be able to move to japan and be a super sugoii mangaka, but they can’t fucking draw, so they take it out on anime.

>>3246820
when did /ic/ turn into opwars

>>3246835
I just want to see where he's at skillwise since nobody else is posting anyway and the thread's not having much actual studying and working going on. Not trying to start anything, since I actually want to see this thread take off and hopefully be able to get something productive going.

Shut up and post the best anime noses.

>>3246750
When all you see is anime then of course nothing else matters to you. Or did you get distracted by the answer to your own derail?

>>3245630
>draw something
>looks ok
>flip it
>WTF, I DREW THIS?
>amazed when it happen in 3d too

>>3246849
top tier nose, bro

>>3246867
Not cutting it. I need some varied examples.

>>3246874

>>3246847

I'd rather remain anon when I post. I'm not going to don a tripcode or namefag/be identifiable. Hope you understand.

>>3246517
i copy and/or trace the basics forms.

>>3246517

Studying anything doesn't have a precise method. A study can be direct copying, it can be iterating on something, it can be drawing a new subject in the same style, it can be deconstructing something, etc.

>>3246695
>than whatever shit you work on. Fact.

You don't even know 'whatever shit he works on' you fucking jackass. Do you just slap 'fact' on all of your nonsense opinions?

>>3244706
>look at aesthetically pleasing anime
>draw aesthetically pleasing anime

Alternatively
>how do I do X ?
>think.exe
>passively reduce shit threads on 4chan by not posting stupid questions.

>>3246462
>you just need a higher resolution
Different anon, what resolution are we talking about more or less?

>>3246896
No. Fact. Get fucked, queer. :)

>>3244725
His neck bugs me. Like I know anime and cartoon necks tend to have longer and more slender necks but especially in the top left and center it's just two overlapping isosceles triangles.

>>3246958
Its bad, dont even use it as reference. Whoever made that, has no idea how anatomy works.

>>3246867
I want to kiss that nose

>>3246849
.

>>3247014
heh

>>3247014
This is arguably the best nose style

>>3247014
Moe nose is best nose

>>3247233
>>3247363
how can you all be so objectively wrong?

>>3247451
It's true though

>>3246654
yeah it could be traditionally inked lines on smooth paper.

>>3246909
Please respond.

>>3247524
Sorry, the higher the better. I'm talking wallpaper size. or bigger if you really must. Make sure your DPI is set to 300 as well.

posted last thread, wanted to do something more finished.

>>3245921
Nah, I make money off commissions and private tutoring.

Like I said, you can't just jump into 8hrs a day, especially if you have a full tine job. But you can certainly work up to it, till you get good enough to get enough clients to do this full time.
>>3246312
>>3246320

Here's the first one shot for the competition:

https://medibang.com/book/0o1712240724059010004309649

Should have the other one done by New Years.

>>3247671

Does she need to see the nurse because she can't speak proper english?

>>3246339
>I don't know about Koreans, but the chinise seem to be big into excess and intensity in general, kind like the americans
oh, the koreans are even much so, have you read a korean webcomic? noob characters just starting out in fighting stories look like lv max wow characters. But there is this one korean artist which I like very much, which while his designs are epic in nature, they are way more simple and aesthetic, and it blends with the story well to because the main characters are epic knights and liches

fuck, been trying to find those, but an online site I used to had all my bookmarks is down, and, color me surprised, those korean comics are complicated in name too

>>3247922
if soembody knows the webcomic, pls tell me the name, is about this nameless knight killing an lich king and saving the princess but loosing her and taking on the role of the lick king to gain the power to save her smile, but after he makes it, another knight saves the princess by killing him, only to take his place in the endless loop

it was a long name, something like, The story of a lich king, or something like that. The author made another zombie manga too, of this kid which returns as a zombie and tries to reunite with a childhood friend which became a famous singer

>>3247928
A Fairytale For The Demon Lord

>>3247931
>replace The with A
>replace Story with Fairytale
>replace A with The
>replace Lich King with Demon Lord
so close, yet to far, thx man, much appreciated, learned my lesson not to stream anymore

What's that Japanese word that means a concept art/reference sheet

>>3248095
can you ask in the djt on /jp/ ? i cant my inglish is too shit

>>3248095
settei?

>>3248108
You should do that if you want a bunch of jaded faggots to tell you to fuck off, he's better off just doing some Googling.

>>3244912
What jump thing?

>>3248263
the shounen jump contest everyone is entering

>>3248095
Settei 設定 or Settei siryou 設定資料

is this anime loomis?

>>3248330
If by Loomis you mean basic construction.

>>3248330
Guy looks good
Girls chin juts out way far

>>3247870
She needs nurse because she has no nose

>>3248364
Your non-japanese opinion is irrelevant.

>>3246682
Are you that lolcow bitch who just starts frothing at the mouth the instant you see anime girls?

i saw a thread about doing a lot of circles could improve your lines and less chicken scratch , but is this the better way? or should i just keep drawing and eventually i will get better

Just like one of my japanese mangos

>>3244830
doesnt even look like anime,thats how bad I am

Does anybody else struggle with drawing people facing right? i.e. a 3/4 view of someone facing to the right. Why the hell is this so hard?

>>3248364
>Both have literally the same, measurable chin jut
>This fucking cunt opens his mouth anyway
What did he mean by this?

>>3249263
same here

How how how how how how how

>>3249373
literally ingmi

>>3249373
I can draw different parts with that quality from memory, like the eyes, hands, a strand of hair, but I can't put everything together. The best I can do is drawing an anime head with hair and face but then I can't connect the neck to the head/body, it's like everything is a different object and they must have the right distance and angle to be create an illusion.

The best way to explain it is thinking like live2D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWnPWygJEyM, advance the video a little, see how everything is layered object that you can move around?

I have seen professional artists drawing manga just from memory, they start from the eyes with ink and just complete the whole face, hair, body and pose perfectly without any guide lines at all. So I think it's just memory, not symbol drawing but actual anime memory.

>>3244883
>look at the shapes rather lines
You realize that you can do that with everything, not just hair right? That's how you draw everything anyway, you draw in shapes and remember forms.

>>3249373
>>3249458
Are there high quality videos of people drawings like these? I'd love to see the method and process they go through.

>>3249461
Blog

>>3249476
It's not mine, just stuff I saw on pinterest

>>3249460
I have this
my.mixtape.moe/ucwckz.mp4

MY LIGHTING IS FUCKING WRONG

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

I think I may be gay

I need help.
I’m used to draw realistic, but when I tried anime I just had a hard time figuring out the cute anime style proportions or I don’t know. I just feel weird, I think I don’t now how to simplify the nose or the ears. Etc
I saw sometimes people draw a line for the noise but when I try damm it looks bad. Lol

>>3249555
And? You are free to do what you want. Feel free.

>>3249555
Enjoy your AIDS.

>>3249414
Yeah, like this.
しょこたん イラストテクニックを大公開 それなりに高画質 1/2 https://youtu.be/cdUC4lEXYI0
She looks at the reference but doesn't draw any rough sketch. Starts from eyes and draws all the rest perfectly. And she isn't even a professional artist. She is a singer. Many Japanese people grew up doodling manga since kids. It's like their second instinct.

>>3249557
Try using a dot or a vertical line instead of a horizontal one. Also if you look at art you'll notice that a lot of the time the lines for mouths are broken in half (the picture above yours for example).

>>3249566
What do you considered a pro?
Making a manga?
Producing a book illustrations?
Why is it even listed as one of her occupations?

>>3249461
This picture makes me want to practice my anatomy. Shame I need to focus on other things more first.

>>3249461
>tfw lines arranged in a certain order without any shading or color still makes your dick hard. Specifically the ass shot with the pig tails is super nice.

how much loomis and time will it take me to draw like this

>>3249840

>>3249656
nigga looks like he's about to activate "bite the dust"

>>3246203
Late reply but this is because of the anti-aliasing your program adds to the lines. You either work at a larger resolution so you cant see it or turn it off(which doesn't look as good).

Why is pencil neck syndrome so rampart in the anime/manga industry?

It really just looks retarded, I don't understand.

It would take the same amount of time to do a proper construction like this, and have the final result look 100x better.
>>3248330

>>3249915
Because slender features are attractive.
Don't bring your shit taste here

>>3249915
at this point its stylistic choice like no nose and side mouth, as long as the markers are consistent and not too distracting its negligible to the overall consideration of quality.

>>3249925
>that abomination
>slender features

Anon, I really hope you are joking.

For reference, here's an example of a slender figure with an actual neck instead of a pencil.

>>3249940
I mean that's the general idea. Wider necks look a bit odd desuyo

>>3249915
Because in most anime/manga stylization the head is bigger than in real life, and if you scale up the neck to match, it looks fucked just like in your redline.
The only way for it to not look fucked is if you scale the rest of the body as well but at that point your just dealing with realistic body to head proportions >>3249940
The whole point of making the head big is to look cute, because it makes the proportions more child-like, triggering our primal monkey-brain to feel protective (this is what the urban youth would call "moe").
And last I checked children have pretty pencilly necks.

>>3249915
Anime heads are just cartoon heads and are bigger than real heads. IRL neck widths barely contrast with IRL head sizes and are boring to draw, so necks are also made smaller despite the heads already being bigger. Also your blue line is retarded and not how necks look like.

>>3249963

>>3249915
That looks like shit

i did try some design but it a little bit too unoriginal in my taste
what do you think ?

>>3249940
>>3249915
it depend on the author's style but most of the time it to show the chillness
the pencil neck look good in >>3249955 for instance
two different type of neck in pic reated
but for your first example the drawing is shitty anyway

Looking at what you guys aim for explains the state of /ic/.

>>3250073
Love the absolute state meme.

>>3249503
D'you know what artist this is?

>>3250196
Yeah, it's kamiyama_aya on twitter.
Her older stuff like that video are gone, though. Dunno what happened, there was a lot more stuff on there

>>3250046
It looks ok at best in >>3249955 because the subject is an actual child but pencil necks simply do not work for anything beyond small children.

Well unless the author wanted to draw characters that look like they have downs syndrome or some shit.
(Which seems to be the case with a lot of recent releases.)

I don't know, maybe some authors who live off this simply stopped caring about producing anything worth a damn.

>>3249956
Having a well constructed neck does not make a character any less "moe" tho, pic related.

On the contrary, since necks are considered to be an erogenous zone of the body, they can serve to further reinforce a characters sex appeal.
It really is the worse when professionals squander this opportunity by being lazy hacks and drawing stupid sticks instead.

>>3250216
how do i draw as good as this?

>>3249956
Just look at how much better this looks with the same "moe" style, except with an actual neck.

>>3250249
took me a minute to realize that's not a giraffe

>>3250232
>pencil necks simply do not work for anything beyond small children
If you actually looked at any art or manga or something, you'd know that this false
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean anyone is squandering anything or a hack

>>3250236
How many times have we had this question asked now?
Just fucking draw

>>3250259
>Just fucking draw

I hate this meme.

>>3250263

>>3250263

>>3250263
Maybe you just hate drawing. Quit while you're ahead.

>>3250257
Tell me the right side of this image is more appealing to you...

I know shit taste exists, but I don't think anyone would prefer it over the left (unless they have the aesthetic sense of a pebble).

>>3250046
Murata's Fubuki is pure sex

It's literally my third drawing. What can I do to improve it? Im drawing on a smartphone.

Forgot where I found this picture, but how the heck do you draw like this.

>>3250347
Fuck, posted the wrong picture

>>3250236

>>3250347
>>3250351
Looks like a mix of graphite and ink.

>>3250277
I think a big problem with it is that the length is too long which exacerbates the thick/thinness

I might be wrong but as far I I understand, the neck should be long enough that if a person tilts their head down, their chin should touch their sternum.

>>3250277
>>3250417
>fix the neck but doesn't fix the face

>>3250417
>I might be wrong

yes you are because it's just a cartoon

>>3250366
invalid with that kind of shitty drawing, dropped.

>>3250449
That's fine, but never the less, I hope you find your next draw enjoyable as well.

>>3250445
if you arent gonna apply real world knowledge to your cartoons and hide behind "its muh style" you will never improve

>>3250263
Fuck off then

>>3249854
About what DPI should be good?

>>3249460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfidZenomQ4

>>3250792
There's no process in this. He's just drawing everything from his head

>>3250850
What are you expecting? A fucking ingredient book with step by step explanation for each and every line?

>>3249940
manga sauce plzz?

>>3245096
from someone also wanting to make manga, what fundies would you recommend i grind first.
Also that looks fucking good.

>>3250912
>>3250925
whats the point of dumping this shit

>>3250932
What's the point of anything on this board. It's art. It's anime. It's related.

>>3250850
And is this a bad thing? Please respond

>>3250933
no you retard , if you want to dump some random "art" just because this is ic go make a thread and do it , this thread is for the purpose of "studying anime" there's no point on dumping that shit just because "dude it's anime so it's okay" because it's not if it doesn't contribute nothing to the thread.

>>3251068
Do you think you can study anime without even looking at good pictures of anime?

>>3251071
Yes anon just grind Loomis until you can magically draw anime girls.

https://sketch.pixiv.net/@ukyo_rst/lives/8443970248754356130?from=pixiv

Any ideas on how to draw and paint like this with NO layers? I'm going crazy.

>>3251135
Literally impossible unless you have robot tier steady hands and carefulness

>>3251143
It's possible. That's how the artist paints.
https://twitter.com/ataruman

I agree with him that doing line lineart layers and splitting everything into layers is a waste of time.
I clocked myself and 40% of my time was spent on managing layers and making masks.

But whenever I try to do everything in 1 layer it ends up looking like a muddy mess.

Any books or tutorials?

>>3251148
Huh. Props to him, then.
>Polishing & sharpen, my process like a sculpting anime figure

Yours looks good, just needs more refinement. Try doing it carefully

>>3251148
Also, I think he meant that he doesn't find the layers useful, not that they take up too much time (if you're referring to that last tweet)

>>3251135
I think that would be just handicapping yourself.

The only exercise I can think is try drawing the whole thing in greyscale only, the first time with pencil, eraser and paper. The greyscale is so you don't waste too much time and focus studying the lighting, then you can try again stepping it up each time. For example try again using color pencils, then again but with paint, then the final time try to use effects. In my opinion if you're not using layers then just stick with traditional painting.

>>3251158
You can find some here, maybe there's more I just searched the word "tutorial".

https://e-hentai.org/?f_doujinshi=on&f_manga=on&f_artistcg=on&f_gamecg=on&f_western=on&f_non-h=on&f_imageset=on&f_cosplay=on&f_asianporn=on&f_misc=on&f_search=tutorial&f_apply=Apply+Filter

other search ideas:
"how to"
"sketch"
"artbook"
"Gundam artbook"

>>3251186
Wow thanks

>>3251148
I needed to see this holy shit. I've always struggled with lineart as someone who's much more familiar with blocking in. I don't know how I didn't think you could just paint cel shading in the first place.

>>3251204
Right? Blocking in and painting are so much easier when using a tablet, compared to drawing and fine lineart.

>>3251135
Why would you want to draw that with NO layers?

It's almost 2018, every single digital drawing application has some form of layer support now.

Drawing digitally without using layers is like doing watercolor without a brush.
It completely defeats the purpose of it.

>>3251290
Because layers increase the trouble exponentially when it comes to editing.

Suppose that I have a file with lineart on one layer, color in another, shadows in another, masks, folders etc.

But I decide that I want to erase a hand and do it differently. I'll have to find the lineart layer and erase that. Then find the color layer, then modify the masks, and god forbids if you have clipping masks using that hand because you'll have to change them too. As opposed to simply erasing it and drawing it again.

I can finish stuff 3 times as fast when I'm not worrying about layers. But I can't achieve such a clean result as this guy who doesn't uses them. Just how the hell does he do it?

>>3251308
Final result

>>3251135
Just the same with layers except you'll take longer because there's no tools to help you. Clipping masks is probably the one useful thing about layers, and it cuts time by at least half.

>>3251308
>Just how the hell does he do it
He probably doesn't care about speed like you do

>>3251331
This tells me the opposite

>>3251308
>Because layers increase the trouble exponentially when it comes to editing
literally said no one, faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_wT04VL11c

>>3251343
lol wtf. i dont know anything about digital, so please forgive me. but 500+ layers. wat.

>>3251343
That's different from anime layers. Cellshaded anime but me clean.

>>3251336
>not taking into account that he's not so good at english
If he really meant that, he'd write "takes too long/much time" or something. Usually when people don't use something because it's "a waste of time" it's because it's too much effort.
And looking at his work and how often he posts, it makes sense

>>3251308
>Because layers increase the trouble exponentially when it comes to editing.

lol wat...

You do know that csp, photoshop, krita ect all has shortcuts for selecting the layer under your cursor right?

All you have to do is press a key and click with the mouse on the part you want to edit and they will select the layer FOR YOU.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

>>3251068
Fuck off retard

>>3251068

Please don't dictate what my thread is about. You make it sound like you're me. If I had a piechart, and going by /ic/ being /ic/, it would be majority discussion and lesser on the side of posting studies. I can't hold a gun to peoples head to post studies.

>>3244706
shouldn't the face have some shadow on the underside? Or is it because she's looking down that you can't see the shadow? Shouldn't the arms have shadow on the underside too? The crotch as well. I'm not sure about the torso and legs.

How do you guys come up with poses? I like to draw and want to eventually make shit like pic related, but I am the most uncreative, unimaginative faggot I know who struggles with composing an interesting, natural or cool looking pose.

>>3251894
Figure out what's interesting, natural or cool looking about those poses. Copy them, understand them. Then try out mix and matching of different poses. Group composition possibilities are infinite, so go out and look at all the different kinds there are out there.

>>3251465
>>3251468
post the "glossy negroid skin" page, that one always gets me off

>>3246388
that looks like shit and not anime at all. looks like gumball at most.

>>3251901

>>3252369
aw yeah, that's the good stuff my nibba

>>3252369

>>3251310
anyone attempt at replicating this dude's process yet?

fluffy

>>3252369
That actually looks attractive.

>>3244711
Look around at different manga and anime and you will see in most cases they are just simplified versions of regular hands. Details are added if they are apart of the images focal point. Don't over think it

>>3252381
I think I just found my new fetish.
>t-thanks anon...

Are those anime style mannequins worth getting? I have such a hard time doing anything from imagination.

>>3253168
no

>>3253209
>no
But why not?

>>3253212
Just get a normal anatomy mannequin and exaggerate from there. Ref similar poses from artists you like and see how it relates to normal anatomy.

How come nobody did the exercise?

>>3253229
To clarify, I thought this thread was going to be people attempting to draw anime and having anons correct it and give tips.

>>3253229
>>3253231
Which exercise?

>>3251135
>>3251148
>>3251308
>>3251310
>>3251336
>>3252810
You guys got bamboozled, he does use layers.
twitch tv/videos/209772889

>>3253240
This >>3244725

>>3253259
Does it have to be a guy?

>>3253261
I don't know, according to OP or whoever posted it it can be just the construction lines or "as far as you want to take it".

>>3253264
I'm on it then

>>3253249
>7 hours
what the fuck. I feel like I could color to that level in 1 hour

>>3253249
I think this one better demonstrates his process.
twitch tv/videos/212248437

>>3253259
Would probably work better as the OP

>>3253329
I agree but as you can see in the post OP forgot to include it.

>>3244725

>>3244725
It's really hard trying to keep the character "on model" for all the different angles.

>>3253462
I feel if you fix the eyes, the rest might look better.

>>3253492
What do you mean by "fix" them? What's wrong with them?

>>3253494
Too western. Everything else already looks that way, but like I said, the eyes alone will improve it.

>>3253498
Hm, I guess I was a bit conservative with stylization. Thanks for the feedback, anon.

>>3253462
>>3253492
>too western
They're fine honestly.
Not every "anime eyes" have to be huge things that take up most of the face
Yours have a "nobuteru yuki" feel to it

>>3244706
Have some of /a/ tuts

http://imgur.com/a/2G7kk

New thread when?

>>3253906
let it fall below the board there is no rush

>>3253636
Thank you anon. Honestly I like more dramatic anime that trends towards more realistic art, like Cowboy Bebop, Death Note, or the newer Ghost in the Shell. I didn't want to go for the more cartoony shonen/shojo kind of thing. But I probably could've pushed it a little more in general.

>>3246461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YigbVY9s6gU#t=1m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hv3yRUof-c#t=32s

If you're using Krita on Windows or Linux you can use G'mic to color your work, then you can split layers easily after cleanup.

The shape fill brush is also really good and a method you'd use in photoshop too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXyUsjjAdg#t=12m27s

How do I draw anime heads?

>>3254569
>>3244725

Is clip studio paint better than all the freeware

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP2RDxDUApg

Im a complete beginner, got a tablet two days ago. Is it alright to start with anime or would something else be better to build up skills?

>>3255255
It's totally ok to start with anime. For a beginner, what's important is to draw many times and compete. I recommend tracing at least 100 poses in a month. Pick up some of them to copy and memorize. After you get used to drawing bodies, go on to some figure drawing art book like Loomis and continue on tracing and study. Even if you do this everyday, it will take at least 1 or 2 years before you are able to draw with reference. If you are patient and passionate enough, in 3 to 10 years, you will be able to draw from imagination. Good luck.

new thread >>3255217

>>3255285
Thanks, ill start with some tracing then

>>3255293
It was deleted for a strange reason. I'll wait a couple hours before making a new thread now.

>>3255398
Why don't you create a discord study group for anime/manga? I'd be up for that. Just ban the retards with too much time on their hands that go there only to troll.

We could go through the books on that cgpeers torrent, its all in 日本語 but I think its pretty much self explanatory.

>>3255398
I'd really like a thread on the discord too with some exercise suggestions, so that when you don't know what to draw you just pick an exercise and do it.

>>3255404
>>3255406

I will consider it, but I see discord as a gaming app and using it for social creates cliques and I don't want that. Threads are more accessible for everyone.

>>3255417
There are tons of art discords and its very easy to post your art there, also there is no anonimity so you can control retards more easily.

But alright...

>>3255417
I'm against discord. It always ruins everything, people get too comfortable there and just dick around and everything gets ruined. Especially since these threads are just barely starting to pick up steam, I think it'd be very counterproductive to embrace that sort of cancer. Why not post more exercises here in the meantime?

>>3255427

It's an okay suggestion if done right. Aldoori is pretty popular and this thread is just out of womb.
>>3255428
I agree with you.

this lesson https://www.palmie.jp/lessons/17 will still be for next thread. I will get and share the premium stuff. That will take a while to get a middleman for payments.

>>3255441
Why not come up with our own exercises? I personally struggle with heads and faces the most and it seems a lot of others do too. This thread's exercise wasn't so bad as a place to start.

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