/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Does this lighting look convincing?

>>3235843
Not bad anon

So prokos course on anatomy isn't on cgpeers is there something that you'd personally suggest?

>>3235868
That's good to know

>>3235892
Just watch his free videos or idk actually buy it.

Here's that Russian Academy book, no idea about it, the whole things in putin runes and I just look at the pictures. isbn 5699045082 I'll upload it somewhere later.

>>3235892
Rey Bustos

fucked up the left arm

>>3235829
Is Force Drawing a meme?
I didn't see it mentioned in the sticky.

Why do things look fine as we're drawing them, then stuffed up when you mirror it? I understand that the left circle's construction is wrong, but for some reason can't tell as I'm drawing it which makes it hard to improve on...

>>3235972
It's round enough, stop being autistic.

>>3235843
This was done on paper and then scanned and then cropped?

WHAT SHOULD I DRAW

FUCK

>>3235970
It's pure autism by a man who needs to be in the mental ward. He sees "force" in just about every little muscle to tendon.

>>3236015
You don't?

>>3235951
The left arm is the least of your worries anon

>>3236014
Go to the tower girl thread anon

>>3236017
is this a joke about communism or the rest of the drawing pls elaborate

>>3236021
Your anatomy is fucked, the head looks like it's coming out of the shoulder, use construction lines.

>>3235892
Bought the figure/portrait/anatomy bundle

I personally would say its worth it, but I have an easier time learning from videos than I do from muscle diagrams in books. I don't think theres anything he'll really teach you that you can't find digging in the books thread or elsewhere but it will all be handed right to you, in an order that makes sense, and explained well.

if that's out of your budget your best bet is the free vids and all the anatomy books in the books thread, figure drawing design & invention, loomis, etc

How do I make my pepes stand out /ic/?

>>3236035
Make em with love anon

>>3235989

What? Come on, the circle might have been a bad example but mirroring images to find construction flaws is a common practice and I'm just curious if there's any reason why things look fine one way and not the other.

>>3236040
When you draw you tend to lean on the hand you draw with, also it looks weird mirrored because your brain has become used to it and the only way to fix it is to mirror your art often whilst drawing.

longskel is long

>>3236056
Too much torso.

>>3236039
but I don't know no love

>>3236063
You will

>>3236061
looks like it's too much belly and thighs
I swear I'm not a thiccfag

>>3236052

Thank you!

>>3236010
Yes

>>3236010
Sorry, I forgot. I'm dough

When you say beginners need to measure more, how precise should I be? Just do it by eye or what?

>>3236100
You should be perfect. Best is by eye, but it doesn't really matter as long as you aren't tracing over an image.

>>3236121
So if my drawings are wonky, just grind until my eye's better?

>>3235829
Why does every "portrait" I make always look so sickly and just.. flat out gross.
How do i get something pretty irl to stay pretty on paper?

>>3236338
ref

>>3236338
sort your tones out, her hair for example should be much darker. Tones are easy on paper because if you go too dark you can lightly use an eraser to lighten them up a bit. There's other things; like how the darkness of her mouth makes it seem like she's missing teeth and how the measuring, particularly the eyes is kinda fucky but focus on the tones for now as they're the easiest part to fix.

>>3236353
Yeah I guess toning is the main issue right now.. but there's only so much I can do in terms of how dark i can go when all i have is some dumb number 2 pencil.
I never really tried anything else, mostly because I don't even know what I'm supposed to use, what type of pencile would you recommend for shading and stuff?

>>3236338
It's more about how you chose to present it tastefully as you develop it until it's a 1:1 replica. In your example, you haven't subordinated anything and have represented everything (even brush strokes that are usually tastefully eliminated like the lower eyelid) as if the first lines you put down are your final lines.

This wouldn't worked fine as a preliminary stage had you done more critical measuring. You should compare the size of the facial features more often, you don't have to be very specific in your measuring as that will obviously cause drawing fatigue much faster than you'd be able to get any meaningful information down but you'll retain the measurements at least a bit

A large part of it is eliminating your frustration with observational drawing. If you become too analytical at this stage and try for the complete accuracy of an academic professional you'll get frustrated - you should find many images that interest you and draw them at your own pace, but don't get too critical until you've finished

>>3236357
Just use whatever you have. It's not the tools but how you use them. Judging by your lines you're not using the overhand grip to shade which I think would help you a lot.

>>3236360
So.. basically I should just focus on making it "look good" even if it means I'm not getting all the smaller features down properly, did I get that right?

>>3236365
>you're not using the overhand grip
yeah I never tried that, I'll see if it helps with my next attempt. thanks for the advice

>>3236357

Shouldn't that be one of the first thing you should google yourself? I've been here a long time and I've see your post since the day when OP still provide ref on /beg/ thread.

>>3236338
All your proportions are off and using shitty blurry photos of lopsided slags will only yield so much. Also I don't know, look at how other people who can do portraits well approach representing the forms of the face.

just got done with this. i kinda like it, but i feel like something is wrong.
pls ignore the messy lines, that's the one thing i already know i need to work on

>>3235829
I just want some input. Is there anything immediately wrong that I should work on. I think I've got most of the proportions correct.

>>3236398
The perspective on the left arm elbow is a bit fucked.

>>3236408
Pretty good. I think the head is a bit too big and bulbous. It looks like a shonen manga head. Needs the sides shaved off like a real head.

>>3235970
Any other thoughts on this book. I was thinking of copping to help my gesture? Do you think it would help?

>>3236432
I'll work on that. Thanks, nib. Any thoughts on the arm? I'm trying to work of placing bones before muscle.

>>3236437
Ah as for the arm, the little circle you drew is too low and disconnected from the clavicle. The joint should hug the scapula and the clavicle.

Also her legs are a bit too long if you are going for honest proportions but it doesn't look bad at all. Anime proportions.

>>3236414
now that you pointed that out it seems super obvious, thanks! i'll get to work on fixing that

I'm doing the CtrlPaint Digital sketching thing.
Am i doing good? This is from reference.

Political cartoon on fair trade between thirld world and first world countries

>>3236498
Nice spider!

>>3236501
hilarious

>>3236499
I have no idea why you autists keep signing your shitty drawings. Are you not embarrassed? At least get good first.

>>3236499
It's clear you have no understanding of any fundamentals and you're just symbol drawing.

Go read the sticky, follow some basic art tutorials, git gud, and then start making terrible political cartoons for reddit.

>>3236536

I hate keys to drawing but it's recommended a lot. I want to like it but most of the exercises are annoying for me to complete. I don't think I have a portable mirror or a pepper or anything mechanical in my house and I'm certainly not leaving it because a book told me to.

>>3236562
Same for a lot of these books I keep trying to get started with, they all expect me to have like a full fucking studio setup or certain random objects and enough space on my desk for them AND my sketchbook, or to have a semi vertical pad setup or an easel or ten thousand kinds of charcoal and grades of weird pencils, like fuck

I need help with rendering this piece with either clip studio paint or photoshop since I'm pretty fucking bad at the whole shading affair. Can anyone give me some tips on which brushes I should use and general set up?

>>3236562
>>3236578
You just need to do it until you understand the concepts. Its observational drawing. You don't have to copy every exercise to the latter but you DO need a reference for what they want you to draw

I drawing a figure from a reference upside-down and then drawing the same figure normal-side-up a good way to practice?

>>3236626
Is drawing*

>>3236144
Yes sir

>>3236513
This might seem like a troll post, but (non sarcastic) here thanks for the advice. Will make sure I get to William Adolphe Bugeoreou level or Vladimir Volegov and then start signing my stuff. Have a great day anon

>>3236609
where are his legs, anon?

>>3236626
Do it with something like an animal upside down so you dont use symbol drawing.

How can I paint in my appartment without making a mess. I need my deposit back whenever I decide to move.

>>3236765
Literally just don't spill anything.

ok for some reason the proportions on the guitar look off, but i can't figure it out, plz help

>>3236796
i dont know shit about perspective, but when i hold a guitar, my strumming arm makes contact with the edge of the guitar just a little more than an inch above the elbow joint.

>>3236796
Looks like you went a bit extreme with perspective for the guitar. Is there a reference you're using?

>>3236838
yeah, but i'm not exactly copying down exactly

>>3236841
In the reference, you can see that his right shoulder/arm follow the perspective of the guitar. This is done through making the shoulder/arm larger as they'd be closer to the camera.

>>3236844
so more like this then?

went back to finishing that last autistic drawing.

>>3236864
also tried 2 make a qt grill, how'd it go?

>>3236862
try positioning yourself in the same pose as your ref or try holding a guitar and pay attention to how the spine and joints move

Help pls, oh benevolent /ic/

I've never drawn anything beyond stick figures. My drawing tablet arrived last week and i fell into the same rhythm.
Is there a cure?

>>3237076
At least you're drawing something which is better than nothing.

What do I do when I look at my work and feel an intense desire to kill myself?

>>3236558
not /beg. GTFO out of here

>>3236864
Nice improvement man. You don't live up to the name anymore but you should still keep it lol.

>>3236864
The sartorius overlaps all fagget

>>3237185
Just googled it and you're right. idk how I even got the idea to draw it like that.

>>3237183
tnx anon, I like the name to much2let it go.

>>3237091
you realize that what is done is done and crying over what already happened is stupid, then you motivate yurself to work harder because you cant possibly get any worse

Doing some studies, some shit some decent. Playing with overlays and textures as well so don't be fooled by the odd improvement on textures. Using overlays feels like cheating, but I just wanted to try it out and learn how to employ them since it seems not that strange for digital artists to employ them in order to speed up the process.

>>3236014
Literally me

>>3235829
There was a site where people posted movie screencaps for reference. Does anyone know it ? I've been searching but i can't find it. If i remember it was in the sticky but i can't seem to find it

>>3237294
https://movie-screencaps.com/

>>3237294
http://pastebin.com/A79b8Swc

>>3237299
>>3237301
danke bois!

At what level of artist are Bargue plates meant to be introduced? I'm an adult learner and was about to start one for the first time since I was a teenager that didn't know the actual method.

>>3237336
It's for beginners just like still life.

why am I doing this?? it is humiliating how bad at drawing I am :(

>>3236558

Good anon.

I spend 30 minutes doing this single page. I hope it’s normal and I’m not too slow.

can someone post a decent reference of people sprinting towards the camera? Need it for a commission but I have no idea how to draw legs like that. Really like the composition in my head so I'd rather not change it just because of the foreshortened legs. I'm looking all over but I'm not finding much.

>>3236519
Can some one explain to me what symbol drawing is?

>>3237377
symbol drawing is just that. Drawing symbols instead of drawing what you should be drawing. The best example I can give you is the human eye. When any newer artists start drawing actual people, they'll look at the reference and look at the eyes, and their brain says "oval!" so the person will try to draw an oval, slightly sharper at the ends. Sort of like One Punch Man's eyes. And it'll look like shit. When in reality, eyes have more of a leaf shape, but your brain tries to break it down into an easy form to recognize and jot down onto the paper, but it ends up being wrong and looking like ass.

>>3237377

>>3237385
I don't think the symbol drawing is a good example. Blocking in tricks people into thinking they're drawing things properly when they're still symbol drawing.

>>3237385
To get out of symbol drawing, we need to think about a series of planes. Planes separates lights and darks.
Construcción is a serie of planes.

Example
bargue

That is my conclusion.

I can see improvements with hands and arms, it’s not a awesome hand but you won’t believe how awful I was.

>>3237359
Are you in a hurry?

>>3237400
It's an example of symbol drawing, not an example of which is the superior way. At a certain point depending on your goals, you can get away with doing some symbol drawing since it's a part of stylization. Problems come up if you don't have a good understanding of the basics, so you're not going to get away from the fundies that easily.

>>3237438
No, exactly.
Let me explain you.
I go to work from 5 pm to 5 am Night shift as stacker. I wake up 12 pm I hace 4 hours to eat, to take a shower and to study. ಠ_ಠ

>>3235829
does this cube make sense in this space? I've been reading Scott Robertson, but I still don't understand how to draw an object that is crooked against the perspective grid.

>>3237344
how long have you been drawing for?

>>3236513
Adding to this, isn't this problem that should be mentioned on the sticky regarding signatures on artworks? Particularly when going beyond beginner-tier and start working on client work.

>>3237460
6 months daily

>>3237463
Do you think I should stop signing my stuff?
I don't do it because I'm proud of it. I do it because I want to show I'm working. Pic
>>3237359

I've been going through the CtrlPaint digital sketching series and i drew this.
How am i doing?
Posted this in the last thread but i had no responses.

>>3237482
More of what would consider a good signature. Considering what would be appropriate to apply a signature, size, positioning etc. Pic related from a quick search on DevianArt is a good example of bad signatures.

>>3237490
Ref?

>>3237515

>>3237497

I don’t have a good handwriting. Lol I would take more consideration to signatures.


>>3237416

>>3237450
the sections with translating curved lines over a centerline and mirroring a tilted plane

I drew Schwarzenegger without a reference from memory, how did I do?

>>3237544

How do I actually get good at drawing heads and expressions and all that?

>>3237582
by drawing heads and expressions and all that

>>3237583
Was looking for advice a bit more specific desu

>>3237582
look up head references and draw them
judging by the way u respond like a retard you can even search for anime expressions on gugle since you clearly just want to draw cute girls

wip

>>3237656
Is it standard to do figure drawings without the face?

>>3237658
well i am in the process of filling it in. i just like to put it off because it gives me trouble, bad habit, need to counteract that

>>3237482
nah, sign that shit up if you feel like it, just that a lot of people tend to regret doing so due to them seeing their past work and realising how flawed it was

>>3237231
i mean i guess man

>>3237676
You guess about what?

aight, I'm gonna need some critique on my profile skills. I haven't drawn profile in a while and i'm gonna need some advice.

>>3237344
the proportions are looking kinda ok don't be too critical about your art.that only drives you mad and is one of the worst attitude then you are an artist.because of that I one time didn't drew for a few months because I was so insecure about my art being shit despite being an amateur

>>3237582
>>3237582
By learning fundations of the head and using (not anime) references as a guide.

>>3237715
First of all change your brush it looks kinda dull and flat.
second change your resolution of the canvas because the face looks so pixelated and third I don't think you are using references so never draw on a blank canvas and put some references or something on your screen.Drawing on a blank canvas makes everything harder and more confusing and only relying on your incorrect vision makes your art are shittier

>>3237733
I work small, but I'll take your advice anyway

Do you guys have that tutorial for rendering soft and reflective latex clothing? it's a swimsuit i think

it's hard copying this person's sketches i just want to draw the girl on the bottom left.

>>3237776
Then just copy it

>>3237777
im trying to trips of sevens.

I'm a loser, I should just kill myself because I'll never be good at drawing.

>>3237787
this one is for you anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUGPXYWwZOU

im sorry but can i still draw even like this it

I don't know if this is the proper thread to ask but it is for beginners.

Anyway I saw that proko was recommended viewing material for beginners but I'm going to be without internet for some time so no youtube (poorfag). I was wondering if you guys could give me a list of artists whose video tutorials I could horde and watch offline.

>>3237822
You should just draw. Horde references.

>>3236338
Do we really need to answer this question?

>>3237826
Understood. That makes sense, just draw to learn. It's just that I was hoping I could have some videos to help gauge my improvement. Without internet, I'm not going to be able to post here for critique and advice. I'm a literal babbyface, I don't know shit. I just woke up today and decided that I was going to make a hobby of this.

i just tried drawing and it came out so bad i felt like hitting my head against the table. why do I have to be so fucking stupid?

>>3237850
you don't draw enough

>>3237852
I draw too much to still be this awful. my life is worthless

>>3237856
get back to drawing

how to go to fully rendered from lineart, uuuu.

Can someone crit this and tell me what i need to improve the most

>>3237858
I feel sick, looking at my bad drawings

>>3237913
lolz ur so cray cray

>>3237897
Be more mindful of how legs connect to feet at the ankle, something strange is going on with the feet of the bottom pic. The bottom right also has a boob for an asscheek. I think gesture is what you need to work on the most, then construction. When you draw digitally, flip the canvas horizontally and you'll see many mistakes come to light.

Can I get some help on this? I already have an idea of how I'm going to go about rendering the but its the face I'm having trouble on. Any tips?

>>3237954
I know how i'm going to render the body. its the face I'm having trouble on.

>>3237955
It's a skeleton cop?

>>3237894
What is your story?

>>3237957
Yup, Got the idea from one of the security guards from coco.

>>3237957
Whattaya mean?

>>3237958
Link me. Add some teeth and some colour to the eyes.

>>3237961

>>3237958
>idea
that's more than an idea, this is fanart.

>>3237969
Your right. I should have worded it differently.

>>3237960
I don't know exactly... You know what it's like when you see an account you think you could have made and forgotten about? It kind of reminds you of your friends, your brother, yourself, but it's kind of elusive and it could equally be a prank. Like smelling home cooking in Seoul -- it's familiar but not entirely reassuring.

I assume it's just a distant blood tie or something, are you Lithuanian?

>>3237544
Wrong place to start, draw from reference.
There is also not much sense in drawing a particular person "from memory" if you haven't drawn them from reference (many times) before.

>>3237114
>this is not beg
anon, I think you haven't drawn from reference yet

It feels like I'm only able to take drawing too seriously or too lightly, it's hard to get into a middle ground of relaxed focus. Going into a drawing my mindset is either "I want to do good on this, so I'll try my best (stressing out) to get this done" or "I don't care about the result, I'll just try drawing (sloppy)". Has anyone had this problem?

10-20 sec gestures that some lady wanted to frame.

honestly I feel like my gestures are way better than any complete drawing I have made.

How do I fix the composition without removing the right window?

>>3238002
My honest opinion is you are not doing right? How a beg like me know? Well I watch vilppu, proko, Hampton, Huston, gestures and they sponsored show the details you are drawing.

30 snits hard
I can’t see The longest axis plus on yours.
Keep working anon. I will upload my gestures too later.

should I bother trying to shade this or would it just be polishing a turd?

>>3237231
What lovely vaginas. You've buffed the buttocks on the right beautifully.

>>3237344
What an attitude!

Trying to shade this isn't going well. Should I keep trying on this or is it just turd polishing at this point?

>>3238087
ref

>>3238087
It's a great expression and you've captured the essentials. Add the wrinkle under her eye for a unique touch.

I'm transferring a portrait to Bristol atm. She's clothed, but the expression's tougher to place.

>>3238087
You might want to add depth to the lower lip and adjust the chin.

>>3238187
god this is old... i remember this back in 2013

>>3236338
Your drawing is basically all the same exact tone of grey. Take your darkest pencil (if you don't have any charcoal pencils I would suggest getting some) and draw a square of the darkest black you can. Now take your lightest pencil and draw the lightest square you can. Your drawing should be using a full range of values in between those, all the way from the lightest to the darkest.

Just look up any "how to draw realistic eyes" or "how to draw a realistic nose" video on youtube and you'll probably see instant improvement. You need to start thinking in terms of values instead of lines. Like, you just drew a line to outline her nose and made barely any attempt to show 3D form through varying light/dark values.

So who's the Loomis for Painting?? I need painting fundamentals so bad.

>>3238280
Ctrl Paint

experiment
hows this

>>3238394
Everything but the cross hatching looks good. Looks like you rushed that part or didn't put much thought into your lines.

what's the best hardware / software combo to mimic real oils / watercolor?

>>3238395
yeah i did, hatching doesnt suit those berries anyway. can you tell where the light is coming from? it reads well?

>>3238399
Yeah it's coming from the top left. I especially like the branch.

Tried to give this fella a painted metal look. Whaddya think?

>>3238436
How to get as good as you

>>3238437
wow t-thanks...

>>3238436
Looks a bit like cardboard, don't know if you were going for that look. Definitely should put more gold and redish hues even if it's weathered.

I think I will star a oil painting. This is my first sketch.
Do you like it?
Do you think is boring?
Is there something weird like wrong perspective, confuse anatomy, no enough design?
Composition?

Santa is not happy because 2017 was not a good year it all. Lol

>>3238470
I had an intention to represent something in between picrelated and a cardboard texture, but I abandoned it shortly after. Anyway, I'll try to go for more hues.

>>3238498
>Do you like it?
no
>Do you think is boring?
ye
>Is there something weird like wrong perspective, confuse anatomy, no enough design?
Far side eye.
>Composition?
What composition?

>>3237800
This post terrifies me

>>3238509
Will check the eyes.

It may be boring because the lack of design in the shapes. I will need to study more the planes and the anatomy to be available to play with these shapes on planes. Hope I have time before Christmas

I won’t go to paint it until the sketch satisfy my desires.

> What composition?

A portrait has composition. Maybe you mean I,m so bad that I don’t have any lol.

I will do better. Hehe next sketch.

finally bought a sketchbook and some pencils. this my first day and im trying to follow along to fun with a pencil

Second sketch. I can see improvements. Actually the drapery is better than my old drawings even if I had not study it yet.

Shapes are better and it looks more interesting I think.
His left eye ( right on the pic) looks weird. I think is not a problem of perspective. It is a problem of planes. I will need be aware about this.

I need to do the color studies before fun begins when painting with oils. Yei!

If you see something weird, or maybe a critic please tell meee!

I want to try more sculpting, outside of the few evening classes I've done. Now they had an advantage in that I had access to a kiln, but for home use is anyone familiar with air drying clay? Does it have any disadvantages compared to kiln dried material?
Since the classes also had a lifemodel, I'm curious to see what I can produce from a photograph or picture, if such a thing is possible.

>>3237233

The leg proportions still look a little stubby on both studies. Also, in the 3/4 angle of the female study the mons looks too high up, and is strangely very bulgy, along with the abdomen. Are you drawing off of real subjects?

Honestly diversity in body types is good practice, but you may want to practice conventional proportions first.

Keep up the good work!

Sand hlp

tear me apart dudes

Can somebody post the diagram of the geometry/polygons of the face?

>>3239018
here ya go champ

value study

>>3238918

I like the face.
the body not,

The guitar it looks too foreshortening
Your line weight is not dynamic, is boring.

Keep working anon. Don't give up.

>>3235829
Am I at least past the low end of beg tier?

>>3238783
it's no ref
>you may want to practice conventional proportions first
it's what I'm trying to do, but I have a hard time putting myself down in front of a reference or spending time on something

>>3237894
How about how do I get to your level of colors and lineart from /beg/ tier

>>3239053
have u tried new masters acadamy on youtube

>>3239058
I got a bunch of bookmarks but I don't really follow any
I'll check it out

at lesat the thumbnail is nice

How are my hands /beg/? Critique please

>>3239073
I like the brush strokes.

>>3239082
they seem a bit static and youve drawn each part individually. theyre good but keep working

>>3239036
are you asking for compliments? its not bad but dont get arrogant. thats when you stop improving. you probably think youre better than you are

>>3239087
I wasn't attempting to fish for compliments, I can see how you'd think that though.

I'm just really frustrated with the process of making art, posting it, and then going back to it a half hour later and realizing what I've done.

Question, when shading, is there a conscious way to go about the subject without getting caught up in unnecessary/inaccurate shading?. When I do it, first of I focus on trying to figure out where to place the lightsource and give the values based on that logic, but I generally go into autopilot with the color picking without considering how much that beam of light is affecting the surface and I wonder how accurate my values really are to the ones in real life. I know there's a shit ton of variables to consider and that'd go beyond /beg/ but is there a way to have a more technical understanding about the process? studying from reference over an over is an obvious answer, but I am more concered on "what I'm exactly looking for" in the shading process so it becomes more of a second nature rather than just a second guessing game where I end up relying too much in reference cause I don't understand what's going on.

See, I understand that you need a little bit of help as we are not human printers but I am concered of falling into making "polished turds", where you see really nice textures, design and rendering but a good eye can spot a shitload of mistakes regarding the accuracy of placement in values (even profesional artist have them).

Any books or links adressing this topic are appreciated.

I feel like I fucked the perspective up or something. Can you help me figure out what's wrong?

Any tips on getting better control over my pencil? I feel like I cant draw lines the way I want without it either becoming wobbly, over exaggeration of what i was trying to do or just wrong completely. Meaning instead of a circle its a circle with a tumor or instead of a straight horizontal line its a bumpy incline. This is a problem with just basic shapes let alone more complected lines that i try to be precise about.

fuck construction, it doesn't make sense to me and when I try it makes my drawings look worse

>>3239129

I'd suggest you try lighter strokes for blocking the form of the subject. Also don't be afraid to do a few gestures next to each other beforehand (could be the size of a thumbnail) until you feel you got a good pose to build your way up on.

As for critique on the figure itself, the neck seems a bit too 2d, you may want to try to simplify it by doing a cylindrical or round shape. t'd be more efficient for you to imagine through the visible form and try to draw the limbs in more basic shapes so it is easier for you to see what you are building. Here's Proko's vid on gesture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

He also has videos on building form, check his structure basics and mannequinization videos, pretty straight forward into what you need to learn.

Also be careful with the scratchy lines, the more fluid and confident your lines are, the less stiff your subject will look overall.

>>3239170
God damn your bodies are so flat.

I downloaded paint SAI and did this with a mouse.

I don't think I know what i'm doing.

I like cartoons and chinese cartoons.

can someone link me to the art thread for nsfw art? i cant find it but it was an art critique thread. this is one of the artists drawings i saved from the thread but reverse image search wont find it

>>3235972
Your eyes essentially get used to seeing them and start lying to you. Things will look okay unmirrored when in reality they are not the way they're supposed to be.
Mirroring the images is a really useful way to double check that certain aspects of your image aren't messed up. I use it mostly for faces.

Do you guys have any advice on how to make it look more realistic...I feel like It still doesn't read as a full 3d object but I cant tell why.
Made it in manga studio.

>>3239533
1. values bro, values.

2. dont use the term realistic. its very variable.

>>3239549
>dont use the term realistic. its very variable.

Alright, i need your help. I can copy a drawing relatively well, but i need ic's help in doing actual construction. Thus, is construction universal, or what, and what could i do better?

>>3239685
Copy better robins

Where should someone with no previous experience with drawing start? Everything here looks like a masterpiece compared to my childish scrawls.

>>3235829

>>3239776
There you go Sir

>>3237955
https://youtu.be/DtB0QnEW-mo

Spread the word

>Zin Lim is meme artist now
JUST

>>3239811
>memecoal

so i drew Axl Rose

>>3235892
Doesnt make him any less relevant? Tho?

>>3239827
Anon I suggest this method prescribed here
https://youtu.be/qcIvcY9dEDw

>>3239829
oh thank you i have more

>>3239170
https://youtu.be/QA-Ia3p6ftg
Should help

>>3239533
Hope this helps
https://youtu.be/vmJPcvt2H88

When does one stops being a beginner?

Please share your thoughts.

>>3239854
Did you follow the starter pack image?. After fully following that, in uncronological order it should all work out

>>3239854
You need God not Loomis

>>3239857

>>3239854
If all you ever do is begin and never finish, you will never leave being a beginner.

>>3239872
Can a drawing or painting ever truly be finished?

>>3236366
That's how you make it pretty, not accuracy necessarily

>>3239883
Yes!

Would someone recommend trying pic related to learn to draw furries? Or is it like with those "how to draw anime" books that are just shit?
I'm learning everything else with Loomis/Vilppu, I just want to get into furries but I don't know where to begin.

>>3239932
>I just want to get into furries

Trying to get better at perspective and lighting/values.

>>3239944
It's where the money is.

>>3239947
>In it for the money
Right.

>>3239950
If you're not going to say something of value, stop replying.

Is there anything I can read aboud street art? Dont want to buy books

>>3239947
Source?

>Ready to buy a pencil
Which hardness do I get?

>>3236491

>>3239170

No, understanding. No control. Once you get it down construction is a very powerful tool. But, up to you. The average traditional artist have no use for construction since they only copy photos or do life drawings.

Constructions is a tool for imagination drawing. You can use it for others but imagination is main focus.

So I was asked to Lern2Draw here. Basically this is the situation. I need to shit out 100s of pictures like this, and I was implored to make them slightly less shit. But because I have to draw literally 100s of them, and I am shit at drawing obviously, I can't just spend twice or ten times as long on such a slide.

So I'm asking for advice on "How to draw less shit without just spending more time on a slide or 12 years in art school"

Construction follows

>>3240076
kek, are you from wikihow?

>>3240076
So one of the things that wise anons would for example recommend, is that I probably should properly construct the hands if they're in a close up / this central, because what I had was basically a pancake (in red, like the foot) that I sketched some fingers around. But that occurs to me now.

I spent about 2 hours in construction (red skeleton, blue meat added), another 1.5 hours doing the actual line work and another 1.5 hours coloring and flat shading and touching things up.

Obviously I could do much more elaborate constructions that require much more time, or spend time trying to find references for each damn slide, but if anyone has suggestions on how to be less shit WITHOUT it costing additional time, I'd be thankful. Other than the hand construction thing, I'll try to remember that.

>>3240081
No, /weg/

The standard isn't too high and if I go 2D instead of the default (rendering goblins in DAZ3D) I can do some interesting things with it. I should probably get me a rendering program anyways just to get easy access to references.

Another problem is I'm running linux and I don't know of any poser that runs in linux. Oh, and this was drawn in Krita. Krita sucks.

>>3237385
It isn't really symbol drawing if the lines match up with what's actually there. This is kind of a shitty picture.

>>3238757
Right side of the head looks a little caved in.

>>3240082
When you lack fundamental knowledge of anatomy you can't simply will yourself to suddenly make better pictures.
It all comes with practice, and practice takes time. Possibly after drawing your 100s pics you will be better than when you started, but without trying, failing and learning, you won't get any farther.
But if you want to shit out faster a better quality pics right now, then I guess taking time looking for correct references is the way to go, to at least make less glaring anatomy/perspective mistakes.
Also, idk why someone apparently quite inexperienced as you, would take the request of making 100s of drawings. If the requester is saying to "make it less shit from what you're usually doing" then perhaps this job is not for you at the moment. Take your time to learn the basics, or just practice, and then go back to requests like that.

>>3240284
I think the best improvement speed & quality wise would be to use a poser for easy references & perspective, but I don't know one that's free & fast and works in linux

Body proportions are wrong. Arms stand out in particular.

>>3240321
How to proportion arms?

Is there a "trick" for shoulders or something? I feel like that's the one part I have a weirdly hard time imagining well and I'm not too sure why.

>>3239036
Don't get so caught up in your current skill level, get caught up in what's next.

>>3240334
My anatomy is weak. Probably the same as getting any other proportions right. Draw lots of references and keep in mind relative lengths. Maybe try using ovals for the construction of the limbs instead of just lines?

>>3240392
> Maybe try using ovals for the construction of the limbs instead of just lines?
Arms being too thin is something I frequently do, especially on girls, where I construct the shoulder balls rather small. Something easy would probably do the trick, some visual mnemonic.

>>3240093
Actually is the hood lol
I noticed 20 seconds after I uploaded. Thank you anyways. Im gonna fix it right now.

Over 3000 seconds learning construction.
Is this the power of Loomis?

>>3240502
300 seconds*

>>3240093
Fixed I think.

It’s ready. Ready to put it on canvas

Ok dudes, so I want to do Character concept art, I no longer symbol draw and would like book recommendations that would help me achieve this.
I'm disciplined enough to pick up a book and stick with it, I just need a sense of direction.

>>3240572

You need to show your work.

>>3240575
I haven't been drawing for long, tis' garbage

>>3238087

Polish it anon. Don't be afraid of fucking up. It's just practice. That's the whole fucking point. It's to learn from your mistake.

Hand...

Sigh...

>>3240606
Sir I just want to know though I dont approve of the picture, I LOVE THE DRAWING

>>3240635
Pretty neat, just get to finishing the rest od your drawing. But you seem to have a strong grasp of the basics though. Keep up the good work

Why is there porn in the beginner thread?

>>3240606
Nose is too blown out, you don't see that much of the other nostril.

>>3240551
You going to paint it, if so this might help you,
https://youtu.be/2BlpqCxxcEE
To place the drawing easily on canvas here is a trick, so underneath the paper rub the whole part with charcoal then place it on the canvas. Following that take a pen and press with the pen on the lines that you've already made while its on the canvas. Once done after you take the paper off, your picture should be there.

Hope this helps, oh wait dont forget this to make your painting look realistic http://www.penroseart.com/vermeer02.htm


>>3240551

>>3240502
I see potential, but try watch some Zin Lim video on drawing the head. It think that might help you more and be more on your speed

>>3240334
Read the first 20 Pages of G.E Hicks a guide to figure drawing, but if you're lazy look at your reference and draw the arm first with the use of straight lines, making two dots and connecting the dots with one solid line. Following this after you have made a solid shape of the arm with the use of straight lines, remember make sure that the shape is correct in order to maintain the proportion. Following this then you can use curved lines

>>3240502
https://youtu.be/9W80Lz0PNSI

Pros/Cons to Traditional vs Digital Workflow?
I am having a hard time deciding if I should buy a scanner or a Cintiq.
I'm not very good but I find traditional drawing a lot easier than using my Intuos Small in Photoshop.
What opinions do people have about scanning traditional work and doing linework/coloring in photoshop vs doing the entire process in photoshop?

>>3240653
>>3240664
Thanks. This is going to take some more practice.

>>3240713
>Cons to digital
I used a separate partition for home, but I forgot to leave enough memory for /usr/ and now I can't install Krita or Wacom support without moving /usr/ to a new partition.
/blog
TL;DR Technology is more likely to annoy you.

>>3240713
digital for professional work beyond thumbnailing and initial design phase or if you just want to render and paint something really well

>>3240713
It's fine. You don't have to spam this in every thread. A scanner or a Cintiq is not an either/or argument, you should have both, as they do two completely different things. A Canon LIDE 220 for $60 is all you need, as far as scanning goes, for scanning line art.

>>3240076
>I have to draw literally 100s of them, and I am shit at drawing
how does that happen

>>3240076
look it takes years to become competant at drawing figures from imagination. if you really have an obligation just trace over design doll.

>>3240572
The Skillful Huntsman

>>3240650
Thank you anon. so friendly.
Got it.

I was not available to get her expression.
I didn't measure well because I wanted to get the values lol.

Try to get the values of something with color is super hard.

I don't know why if I draw a face from imagination, I can't paint it! even with out color.! I guess is because I don't know the planes.

>>3240896
Omg I'm tired.

>>3240896
>I guess is because I don't know the planes
Most likely.

>>3240896
>Try to get the values of something with color is super hard.
don't do that, convert to b&w if you're gonna practice b&w.
grayscale conversion is not an exact science, there are still various methods of computing it. don't try to do that by yourself.

>>3240924
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>>3240924
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>>3240924
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>>3240661
> G.E Hicks a guide to figure drawing
Gief URI for PDF plz. I googled a bit but didn't find it

Also, I did this without references.

>>3240858
We all choose our own personal hell, anon.

>>3237715
i would be so embarrassed if I made this post

>>Tfw you draw like a literal autist


Glad I gave up on art

>>3236865
looks like boipussy right there senpai. learn how 2 grill

>>3240935
https://archive.org/download/aguidetofigured00hickgoog/aguidetofigured00hickgoog.pdf

>>3239029
If it's a value study, shouldn't the lightest value be the robe?
It seems clearly way brighter than the heads to me