/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

I'll dump some refs.

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Thanks, I'm saving them for later when I get home

>>3223668
No prob anon.

>>3223642
can someone do redlining on this, please? I know it has a lot of problems and know generally what I have to work on, but would like to see how this exact piece could be improved

Some of my recent study

>>3223675
for one thing, the elbows should be in line with the navel. don't you read Loomis?

Studying a little porcelain angel figure thing I have. How do I into +3 hour studies.

>>3223689
I guess I should learn modeling tone and values on the Vilppu book

>>3223690
Attempting anatomy. Also first time attempting to draw a portrait of someone since doing skull studies. Done under 5 minutes, roughly idk.

Cute?

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These are all pretty good. You have a natural flair for this, keep at it

>>3223709
looks really stiff

>>3223709
kinda

>>3223709
This haircut on a woman? Never. Disgusting

Horus. Ball Point Pen on paper wip. Still needs a lot of work, what do you think of it so far?

>>3223655
Thanks for explaining and for the helpful image. I most definitely need to pay attention more to the background tones.

>>3223713
How do I get better at drawing less stiff things?

Shadingbro here again — completely abandoned last thread because I realized my first 'serious' attempt was complete shit. Pic here is an earlier hand at shading.
How do I go about the basics? Do I crosshatch? Just use softer brushes?

Need help with, can you give me a crit

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>>3223815
breddy gud fampai.
Way above beginner level, you shouldn't even be posting in this thread

>>3223855
The point of the beginner thread is not for a thread exclusive for beginners, but instead a thread dedicated to skill improvement.

>>3223815
As for the picture, the nose is at the wrong angle and shading in general is pretty unattractive. Are you using a stump?

I'm looking for a portable art stand that can possibly reach 90 degrees/is adjustable. Something I can possibly take on the go/just use on my desk really. Any suggestions?

>>3223863
>thread dedicated to skill improvement.

It's a containment thread desu

As a beginner, what's a reasonable trajectory of time I should expect to spend on a Bargue plate as I progress? I'm still very unskilled with rendering but need to start eventually. I've seen some people show lapses or progress where they spent anywhere from 40 to 100+ hours on it and I barely want to "finish" something normally. I assume I'll eventually hit a natural ending but just wanted to see what others had experience with. The tens of hours seemed to be atelier study.

>>3223736
I don't know why they said it was stiff when your piece was mainly just a head (stiff and dynamic refers to poses rather than portraits) but the way you get into drawing less stiff drawings is by using the "line of action".

Also, really try to figure out the mood or the piece that you're going for. (Is the character sassy, timid, haughty, happy, etc) That can also add more to it.

>>3223774
I feel that you can use whatever method suits you as long as the volume and shapes read well.

I've been trying to use some watercolor brushes since the result looks pretty nice, but I still don't have a good eye for that (currently reading Color and Light). Any tips?

>>3223969
bigger brushes or smaller canvas if they make your program lag

>>3223933
tnx for that amazing tutorial, still dont really know hot to apply it to my portait.

but your tip is really handy for that. so tnx :)

gave her some cloths and background.

>>3223978
Thanks! It doesn't lag that much, but annoys me a bit when it does. What minimum size is ok for posting on instagram or tumblr, for example?

Just fuck my shit up senpai

>>3224001
>bigger tits and ass
a true artist

>>3224001
Learn how to measure if you want precision, and simplify lines.

>>3223995
highest quality displayed images on tumblr are gonna be around 1280px wide and 1920px, dashboard will resize them to 540px wide on the dashboard regardless, see here: https://unwrapping.tumblr.com/post/75873529443/dashboard-image-sizes

save as a high quality jpeg because they'll convert it to a jpeg anyway, but if they convert it themselves they'll reduce quality

instagram will display 1080x1080 now, but you can have a portrait/landscape with one 1080 dimension (maybe not from the app upload but computer? not sure)

>>3224019
Got it, thanks a lot for the reply.

Didn't know about the conversion thing with tumblr, working with 1080 seems good enough also.

bit off more than I can chew, looking for feedback

>>3223815
the angle on the nose is wrong, it's looking at us, while in the picture it's pointing on another direction
>>3223855
I've seen a lot better here.. it's good but it's not out of place or anything

>>3224058
You were off on only a couple things.
Convey your light/shadows on to your brackground planes.
One of the best things about digital is the ability to clean up your lines/shapes. Do it.

Been working on this and I've noticed my tone is pretty off, can you please help with other shit I'm not noticing

>>3224098

Where you get your ref anon? Mind sharing?

I,m not sure if I’m using enough wrapping lines.

What I’m trying to do if see how to give a different felling to the gesture.

>>3224166
well its a picture from the back of the bargue course. he has a few human blockout sketches there. there is a dl link to the bargue course somewhere in an artbook thread link

also fuck hands and feet. so many details in such small forms, drives me crazy, even if i try to simplify them

>>3224107
added shadow and tried to make the bottom less flat looking, how's it lookin?

>sigh

not gonna give up today

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does gif related look right

also if anyone has any tips on jawlines that would be sweet. i seem to really struggle with it

>>3224181
aye aye captain, but you'll have to wait a few hours, I gotta' do some stuff

what are you guys listening to

>>3224191
watching bob ross marathon on twitch. relaxes me seeing/hearing someone else work while i do too

>>3224200
sorry but that nigga aint workin 'know im sayin

>>3224178
oh no i forgot to resize it im so sorry no ban plz

>>3223863
>not for a thread exclusive for beginners

lol

I want to die

is it 2 late? 18 no natural talent

Wow, everybody is doing really good this time around. Good job you guys!

>>3224182
I think the oval is too small and the axis are wrong.

>>3224001
Are you trying to learn how to copy fallow >>3224012

If you are trying to learn the human body its no about copy its about transfer. It does not matter if is exactly the same just understand.

>>3224218
Literal autism (the Mozart kind) is the closest thing to natural talent that exists. Otherwise, that isn't real. What you call natural talent, everybody else calls starting earlier.

Stick around and post stuff if you want. I've been here for two weeks and people are usually really helpful.

>>3223863

I'm agree.

"quality, quantity" remember guys.

>>3223642
hi you beginners. i'm pretty good at anatomy already. i got some great ideas flowing everyday and i've drawn a picture every day in november (it was inktober in germany).

how do you like my art? i'm pretty good already, i know that.

>>3224250
forgot to attach the artwork. it is my fanfiction of the clown in "IT"
and he is killing himself in the end

>>3224250
The op pic is yours? lol

Keep working anon, don't give up!

>>3224252
no no no! OP sucks
this is me: >>3224251

>>3224213
As artists we will always be trying to get perfection. I will call myself always beg.

>>3224177
Damn id drink out of that bottle good job anon

>>3224258
i'd drink u baby

>>3224250
wow Self confidence is great, but keep your goals higher so you will release, an artist will never be satisfied.

>>3224254
Everyone here is trying to better themselves. If you come in here thinking you're amazing, you aren't going to be improving much. I suggest you stay awhile and take a good hard look at your art before insulting other people's work.

>>3224267
i am very good already, but i want to imrpove.
sorry OP

Why do my gesture drawings turn out so weird? I've been watching Proko's gesture videos, pausing before he starts drawing, and then trying to do a gesture drawing of the model. Then I watch how he does it, and it looks so much more fluid and nice.

>>3224237
wow yeah

thanks for the reference

>>3224278
Can you see how proko strokes have flow and beauty? do you know why?
his hand doesn't shake. The way he is using the pencil with his arm gives confidence and character to his lines, I'm trying too learn that too.

take a look at my work, I'm trying to get that feeling but I don't have a long sharped charcoal pencil. >>3224168

>>3224287
I like your work a lot better than mine, anon. How long have you been practicing?
>his hand doesn't shake
Fuck, I've had people comment on how much my hands shake in real life, when I'm doing stuff unrelated to drawing.

So I've spent years sculpting and now because of finances and a broken oven combined with no marketplace for clay sculpting, I want to draw. I thought I'd be good at drawing from imagination because I understand form but it's a lot different to draw form out when I can just have a block in front of me and carve out how the form feels, and with clay that's even easier. So here's some hand studies and pose, used my niece for reference. Any advice to help put 3D forms onto a flat fucking surface? Or am I doomed since it's obvious my skills are hands on and not visual (as I'm starting to feel).

>>3224291
Gesture two weeks, not every day.thou

Okay see pic, take a look at his hand and the pencil strokes. He combines both to get a beautiful gesture line. You will need a long sharped pencil. I don't have one so my lines are not that good.

I saw this method adds dynamic to the lines.

>>3224306
Instead of doing linear art like in your picture, try using a large brush and "sculpting" using your eraser and brush to darken and lighten areas.
Feels very similar to working the form with your hands

>>3224309
oh yeah that's not a bad idea. I already know I'm going to have to learn proper lighting and shading though because again sculpting never required that knowledge and I can take one look at that pic you posted and tell you I'd botch it because of lighting.

>>3224308
Proko has a video on how to sharpen a charcoal pencil like that. I didn't realize it made that big of a difference, I think I'll try it. Thanks, anon.

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>>3224287

His hand doesn't shake because he knows what he's doing. And he's been doing it for a very long time. That's mileage.

Medical condition aside. People usually have shaky hands when they're not sure. Like chicken scratching.

If you do have medical condition, it's okay. Proko way is one way to do it. There are other techniques out there.

Look at other artist sketches (preferably those that are better than proko). Some have scribbles that barely resemble anything but the end result is amazing.

>>3224317
I had take beta blockers during one of my (not art related) internships because people kept commenting on it so much. This makes me feel better.

>>3224317

Yeah, Indeed, some one who knows what is doing can break rules. I didn't use only proko to sutdy line quality, I just give him proko example because he was using that resource. I use vilppu, hampton, huston, proko, watts, and more.

By the way can you tell me the artist name? of the pic, I like how clean the sketch is.

>>3223774
at least you did better than my godawful attempt, mang

>>3224309
I think I like this, just did a quick apple as I usually sculpt that when I have blockage. Def think this method looks better than the line art. thanks again, I'm going to practice more with this.

>>3223659
Gave this a shot

>>3224346
posting from mobile is shit

How is this head?

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Justin Sweet

>>3224342
Its pretty obvious you understand form but like you said drawing is different and requires more than just form knowledge. You need to start studying a lot more but I will say that's the first apple I've seen on /beg that I could squint at and tell the shape.

>>3224355
thanks for the compliment. I'll keep at it.

>>3224352
You're placing construction lines but don't really understand it. Use only spheres and boxes and try to construct a head like that.

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>>3224181
made the shapes more clear, it's definitely less noisy
>>3224258
thanks, I actually drank out of it a few times (it's a still life)

>>3224275
Well if you're so good then why don't you graduate to the draw thread? Surely us 'beginners' could never critique art that is as good as yours. You're better off among those of your skill level, like Ruan Jia or Wei Feng.

Jesus Christ you sound like that kid in high school that though he was the shit and showed everyone his shitty drawings. You're bad at art.
Either accept that and learn or deny it and never improve.

>>3224352
Try drawing the eye sockets on a reference to get a better sense on eye shape

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Just fuck my shit up. I finished "Drawing on the Right side of the Brain" Then I had to take a break from drawing for a bit to prep for a job interview and now I'm back working on "Keys to Drawing". This is the copying exercise. Everytime I try to draw blind, I fuck up. What do I do?

>>3223815
Proportions of the facial features are not bad. The face is somehow too wide. Nose is too wide and it lacks structure. Draw with more straight lines, otherwise it will look artificial (the eyes, for example, look like fish). When drawing heads draw also the neck and part of the body, never cut the drawing like that. Values are wrong. Study the planes of the head. The reflected light in the shadow area is almost always darker that the dark mid tone. Rendering is sloppy. Sharpen your pencil, study cross hatching. Good luck.

>>3224407
a-anon am I being memed right now?

>>3224426
I don't think blind contour drawings are meant to look good. It's just to get your brain, eyes and hand working together. Also, have you tried the Picasso exercise?

>>3224439
No Anon, assuming you didn't fuck up with the pixel size you should be able to bring it to realism levels of detail. If you do that, then you will learn more about digital rendering.

>>3224439
example: the label isn't perfectly on the bottle. No wrinkles on the label, no serrations on the cap

>>3224441
The upside down Stravinsky one? Yes, but I did so before I did the "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" book. Should I revisit that exercise until I get it right?

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>>3224444
shit you guys are right. I could be doing so much more. I'll get back to it tmrw and hopefully do a better job.

>>3224451
If you're having a lot of trouble drawing what you see, yes. If you were looking at your drawing as you were going, I would say you need to work on your visual measuring and proportion. Don't feel bad, I'm working on the same thing.

Ctrl+Paint has a few videos on that in the Traditional Drawing category. Also, you can use any pencil or high contrast b&w picture to practice. Here's a picture I used when I first started. Just flip upside-down and get to work.

>>3224475
I'll go ahead and do just that. Thanks.

>>3224519
all this shit from imagination it's ok?

>>3224519
Based on the fact that the two feminine figures look pretty good I would guess that you're used to drawing anime girl type stuff? This other one on the left tells me you aren't used to drawing people from different angles and more dynamic positions. The proportion on this one is all messed up and it's honestly hard to tell what it's supposed to be doing.

I would suggest trying to break the human body down into simple forms to get a better feel for them in 3d space. Maybe try working specifically on masculine body types for awhile as well.

>>3223933
ok i am a brainlet

>>3224426
Well first of all you completely missed the fucking point of that exercise. You're supposed to draw as if you're the artist you chose. Do you see scritchy scratchy, slow/wobbly lines in the drawing you were referencing?

>>3224561
Yeah I haven't draw males, complex hands and other kind of faces

>>3223671
feck i've fecked this one up too

i think the horse is okay maybe

Character i working on right now, im pretty happy with results. Should i consider changing/working on something?

>>3224588
My best word of advice would be to learn how to draw realistic humans first. I know, it sucks, but it will make your understanding of the anime style significantly better. Anime is a prime example of the whole "learn the rules before breaking them" adage.

Once you get comfortable with the complex forms of a realistic person, you will find it much easier to simplify that to a more stylized (anime) form.

How do you draw the jaw/neck? There's so much going on in that fold

>>3224659
>WHERE IS MY SUPER SUIT?

Technically, what's wrong with my drawing?

>>3224676
handle, connection of todger to body, face lacks outline variation, butt is wrong but more importantly its all generally a bit shit and lazy. more importantly get in the fucking gas chamber.

>>3224677
>lazy
actually it was rushed because I don't want my roomate to see t-this lewd drawing.
what about the last point?

this was one of the first drawings i deemed good before i stopped drawing for many years
i don't know why im posting it here

>>3224679
i drew this a few days ago.
I want to keep trying again.

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>>3224680
always learn realism before animes.

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>>3224688
what if i wanna be shadman?

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>>3224691
always.

Old drawing. I really enjoy drawing dinosaurs.

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>>3224693
I like these anon, can see the improvement from the first to the next ones, nice looser flow.

I use a combination of pencil & pen. I'm sure the proportions are off.

Last one before I start to spam like an autist.

If you guys could point out my mistakes and give me a few pointers on how to improve i'd appreciate it. It's just a sketch so it's not like it took days to make. Thanks in advance!

>>3224278
gesture isn't drawing the contour. proko tells you thins but i'm not a huge fan of how proko teaches it because he leaves a lot of gaps in his decision making without explanation. start more with the general action lines of figures. after enough of that you will be able to incorporate energy into your drawings and then you can slowly start adding "details" to your gesture drawings by landmark.

pay attention to where the head is facing, the front of the neck, the collarbones, shoulders, center line, pelvis, then legs. then you can add the ribcage or bean (i don't care much for the bean) and refine the details. nailing those will help you how the form is defined in 3d space so you can get a better idea of capturing the essence of the lines you will place. i found this series a lot more useful to watch and then you can consult with proko or other methods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bw3BW4Q6VM&index=2&list=PLXkHosWORUv6bxfPGz31WESqw_87adQ5r

>>3224306
This might be helpful for you, along with some specific ctrl paint lessons that can help with blending color because you have to be able to blend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3OxonJcXQ

The drawing bit is a journey for all of us but having a good understanding of 3d form goes a long way in making your pictures better. Some people get too locked in to the 2d image and don't think about what is actually happening in the space inside the image.

lol

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>>3224914
I feel like you do way too many studies of images where you're drawing what you think you see. It ends up being distorted and not what's happening in the photo. The image frame is above her looking down, and you've compressed the depth of the image massively. You should be studying more perspective and measurements than trying to copy a new image every day. Do more still lifes instead of copying pictures from online.

is smudging ok or looked down upon

I'm doing Loomis. As I construct more of these heads, I feel like my basic shape and perspective knowledge is holding me back. Are there any good resources for drawing basic shapes at complex angles? Drawing one cube is easy, but making it curve around a face and appear symmetric with something on the opposite side of the ball is tough for me.

>>3225075
Post heads.

This is a compilation of the stuff I've done the past two days. I've been trying to learn values and how to shade with a side of gaining confidence.

The first two were from Saturday, just some simple forms and a bottle tree around my house. The other two are from Sunday, a little halfling man I drew for fun and a bottle I thought would be challenging to punish myself for having fun.

>>3225101
Also, sorry about the file size, I wanted to keep most of the resolution and I didn't want to spam the thread with image after image.

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>>3225075
Loomis recommends the readers a book on perspective to read later on in fun with a pencil ircc.

>>3225106
dude why are you drawing the circle with help, do it freehand. how are you supposed to get the hang of drawing anything freehand if you cut out that much practise?

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>>3225140
Only two of those heads used help and I've done a lot more, all freehand. I just used a coin for the balls without faces to more accurately play with some angles. Can anyone suggest beginner exercises to get better at drawing shapes around tight curves? Is it just a matter of practice until it feels right and wait to improve it conceptually once I move on to other books, like >>3225125 said?

damn, this models hair is not making it easy for me by obscuring visible landmarks. still pretty reliant on that, even with an initial construction before. stopping and thinking of her bald headed before starting would have made things a lot easier ...

Okay guys I have a begginer question.

If you want to study landscapes, how do I start? I mean I know I need perspective, composition and color but even if I’m available to draw a face I can’t draw or paint a landscape. I just don’t know how to approach it. Can’t get something good from my mind.

Is there a master teaching this?

>>3225253
Not a big landscape guy but typically if you want to learn something specific, you find works that you like and try to imitate them.

If you're just starting out, you should probably learn to draw from life. Go outside and paint what you see. Post it here and then /ic/ can tell you what you need to work on specifically.

I'm trying to draw a large group of characters indoors but this is the first time I'll draw people in a setting like this and it's hard to visualise the room. What perspective should I use, 1 or 2 point?

man this pose got the noggin joggin. stupid hair obstructing view on muh landmarks. really need to visualize the model without hair in that case. also hands and facial features drive me insane with how small shapes they become. feels just no fun to draw them in because they are so small comparatively. maybe if i was working digital and could zoom in, but with my pencil it feels impossible sometimes to catch all the little shapes. tho i guess a big part of that is also being overwhelmed by the whole structure of them.. should really do some sole head/hand studies this weekend

>>3225253
unironically bob ross to get your feet wet

Absolute beginner, picked up a pencil to draw earlier for the first time since I was a kid and drew this sphere.

I know it's incredibly shitty and very basic, but what could I do to improve it?

>>3225386
make the darks darker

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>>3225390
A few minutes later

This any better?

Hey guys, how i use loomis' figure from fun with pencil to draw realistic? i wanna use loomis figure from fun with a pecil to draw realistic not cartoony figures.

>>3225403
You've got a nasty case of scratchy lines. Take your time man. If you take it slow and I promise you, not only will your drawings look better and cleaner, but you'll get faster at it with practice.

what is the meaning of life

>>3225436
accidentally creasing the paper when you try to erase something

>tfw i can copy loomis using hampton method
hahaha. should i grind loomis using hampton?

>>3224914

I think you need to learn measuring. Just autistically measure everything. Once you draw something decent using measuring techniques that will change the way you look at things.

I bet if you use measurement for 100 drawings the next time you draw just by observation it will improve.

good luck

>>3224588
I'm not exactly an anatomy master myself and I'm on my phone so this is really hard to draw with just a finger, but here are some corrections.

I'm not indicating that you should draw more realistically with this, and I'm not going to tell you to stop drawing manga style, but everybody benefits when they draw humans with human musculature and skeletal structures in mind. In this you had her lower half twisting back to front, and breast tissues are shaped like a teardrop, not a ball. It's always easier if you sketch out the teardrop shape first and then erase the relevant lines. This always applies except in the case of large breasts, which is more like balls (of fat) attached to teardrop-shaped muscles. Also fabric doesn't stick to skin like that when it's pulled taut, unless it's being physically glued to the skin.

>>3225253
go outside and draw/paint landscapes. No photo is going to be better than the real thing

>>3225533
>tfw cant see proper landscapes due to severe shortsightedness

At what point could one consider to be above beginner level? I don't think I'm there yet, but I think it'd be nice to have a tangible goal.

>>3224903
this was a super helpful response, the whole cutting and smoothing resonates well and really clicks with me. I'm just using gimp2 (poorfag) but I'll try and find a good brush for blending because I feel like his technique is more reliant upon his dry brush which is something I don't think gimp offers me.

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rate these in order

Not feeling too good about the left's proportions, nor do I feel like shading cause I know it'll be a disaster

i'm trying to learn anatomy but I think I keep making the same mistakes. I don't want to but I'm not sure what they are? Can anyone give advice on how to make it look more real, or more 3d? I am not good at rendering. My focus is on the torso right now.

>>3225436
Reproduction

>>3224903
maybe I should start off greyscale and do this, but I tried to do just a face and started off like I do with sculpting, a big chunk of paint and then trying to make the paint look like grooves for shapes like I'm carving it.. for 2 hours of work it's shit. but I'll keep going.

>>3225730
trying to draw has really showed me my lack of knowledge on perspective, lighting, shading, and color. which are all things you really don't need to know to sculpt.

>>3225714
some of these are passable, just not #3. I would definitely recommend learning the bean and robo bean from proko, it looks like you have the jist of it but I can't tell if you've done that or not.
I looks like you are drawing boxes for the perspective and planes but not really sticking to them. Some shading would make them look a little more 3d or believable.
also maybe take a closer look at the way the pecs connect to the sternum,clavicle,and humerus and really get that down

>>3225742

Yeah I'm using the robo bean, I guess i need more practice. What do you mean the planes arent sticking to them?

I will review the origin and insertion points of the pectorals. I drew more since I posted that, pic related

>>3225742

Here is the robo bean part.

What do you guys think of this ? How can I improve. I know the relations kinda suck but is the style overall okay ?

>>3225786
very good. technically sound.

>>3225801
Thank you

I need some help with pointing out some mistakes. Please tell me what I need to improve in first place.

>>3225820

I'm sorry to break it to you but anon is pulling your leg.

>>3225821
Some more

>>3225825
Can you criticize it then and tell me ?

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>>3225827
Your proportions are shit. In the first for example the head is too small. In the second the legs are too big.

>>3225835
Thank you. I'll try to work more on that. Is it only a proportions problem? Couse I think my biggest problem is anatomy (specifically face)

>>3225839
The face does vaguely remind me of symbol drawing but at the same time it looks too cartoony for me to care. If you fixed the proportions I'd probably assume you meant to draw the face like that and not pay it much mind. The left ear in the first probably wouldn't be as visible as it is though from that angle.

>>3225842
Thanks, you've helped me a lot :з

>>3225039
If it makes that forty four-head smaller

How do I make cheeks/jaw look less flat?

>>3225886
Just use some referenses. Try to add some highlights.

>>3225891
oh my god he's so good looking
life isn't fair, i want to die

>>3224962
This is pathetic. I shouldn't be drawing. :(

Hey all, would appreciate some thought on the torsos.

Female. The top right one I made a conscious attempt at exaggerating, the other ones I tried to keep to realistic proportions.

And men. I like how the right one turned out, but the middle one, the hips look messed up. I think I am better at women.

>>3225663
>I'm just using gimp2
krita is miles ahead of gimp and has become my photoshop replacement, i highly recommend you make the switch (it's available on windows, mac, and linux)
https://krita.org/en/

The david revoy brush pack is really good too, and he has a brief tutorial on getting up and running with krita along with a youtube channel that has some demos of useful features like the g'mic plugin
http://www.davidrevoy.com/article319/krita-brushkit-v8
http://www.davidrevoy.com/article185/tutorial-getting-started-with-krita-1-3-bw-portrait
GDquest on youtube also has some good Krita resources on more specifics

Krita has some mix brushes and dry brushes that allow you to do that but color in general is really difficult at first in digital. You can get by with the eye dropper.

>>3225730
I can only really point you to some more resources but it takes a lot of practice and painting in value can result in really muddy and ugly colors. It seems like you don't know much about color locality or relativity which is why you think the picture looks bad. Blonde hair isn't actually yellow so depending on the main colors of your piece or palette you're going with you'll actually want to pick something closer to a brown that will appear yellow. Colors look like what they are based on the colors around them.

Brush blending practice and using an eraser
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/digital-painting-101/blending-paint
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/brush-technique-blending
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/brush-control-pt-1

What I consider to be important lessons and you'll probably want to watch them at like 2x speed but slow down and rewatch the important parts a few times because it's too much to learn at once. You're not going to copy them but they're a few approaches to base your colors off of the next time you paint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQllLy_X4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh12RA3ha0U#t=1m21s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQOFPraUNoQ

>>3225907
at oblique angles your boxes don't match up with what you drew. it looks like you tried to draw in the blocks after drawing the bodies

>>3225923
Thanks for the comment. Definitely drew boxes first. I tend to use them as a guideline to anchor my eye. Guess maybe not everything matches up perfect. Are there any glaring anatomy issues? I think the hips look wrong somehow on the middle male figure but besides that nothing is jumping out. I tend to use the boxes as a guideline.

Care to redline?

>>3225930
love me some pussy but the head looks detached from the rest of the body

which classical sculpture is this?

which classical sculpture is this?

>>3225894
I think it's not that bad. It's just a start. Adding shading and highlights should help. Also appreciate you using toned paper.

value study i working on, critique pls.

>>3225972
my ref

>>3225969
I'd guess the Renommee des Sciences statue if it had wings

>>3225908
I think the problem is with shoulders. They are too small for men. Also the men's chest is wider than pelvis(cause yours has too much fat, like girls one)

>>3225972
Only thing I can see wrong is that the ear looks like it's curving in on itself

>>3225972
There are some anatomy mistakes. But if you do the value study, the face is too light(lighter than on ref). And I think you should add sharp adge between closing and skin. Thats all.

I wanna git gud at drawing anime grills. Left was last month. Right was today. Been practicing mostly body. Suck at feet hands face etc but I wanna work on that next.

>>3226029
So you're drawing a mangled "anime" figure once a month? I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but at this rate you will never be able to do your waifu justice.

I’m new to drawing and I just sketched this. Looking for improvement tips. What did I do well and what could I improve on?

>>3226049
very good. technically sound.

>>3226057
it never stops being funny

Trying something new for the hair, can't get the eyes to look decent

tips?

How are my proportions on the drawing?

Really new to painting and rendering. Any tips welcome.

>>3226049
What did you do well? Nothing.

At your state i recommend not drawing form imagination. Get some paper and draw some fruits for example.

>>3226068
Thumb and the thumb muscle part of the palm looks oddly baloony in the painted version.

What are some places to go to get feedback from a consistent group of people?

>>3225577
Ehat the fuck are glasses retard

>>3226083
facebook.

>>3226049
Just start from copies first. If you don't want to, try to use references for each drawing (start from poses). And for me, i firstly drew a fan arts. It's easier, cause you don't need to use your imagination so much. Hope it helps you. Keep on drawing. Good luck ^^

Stop making anime.

>>3226095
Thanks mate, this is pretty helpful

>>3226066
Study some photo's of real eyes and practice drawing eyes over and over. The shape is all off. Also, eyes generally are symmetrical to each other (apart from small variations). You can't really go wrong if you practice drawing real eyes.

>>3226043
Is that art director hounding Miyazaki or is it the other way round? That IS Miyazaki, right?

>>3224382
From the thumbnail, it looks like a picture, not a drawing. If that's what you were going for, good job!

>>3226124
That's the thing, I traced the eyes over the reference picture, which is why I can't understand why the hell they look so awful

Thanks for the tip anyway, I'll keep doing eyes until I don't need a reference

how do i get good

>>3226191
Start by drawing a lot.

>>3226196
i try
i find it really hard to get clean lines on a tablet

>>3226210
You could reduce the "rough" drawings layer opacity make a new layer and draw on top.

>>3226210
don't draw from photographs and draw from life. Oh, and pic related

>>3226215
>draw from life

alright ill get my sister to do some poses when she gets home

>>3226221
kinky

Here's day 6 of Watts stuff.

>>3226238
And finally day 7. I still struggle with these, but I think I'm fine to move on to Phase 2 of fundamentals series. I think I will drop this exercise to warm up status now, like do 1 form after the ovals and line warm up

Definitely a big jump between day 1 and day 7.

>>3226246
Man I hate the grain in the paper showing or what ever is causing that.

How do I draw round objects with depth?

>>3225670
don't rate mine i fecked it up

>>3226257
ellipses. draw lines to contain the form then indicate where the center is

>>3226248
Might just be my pencil handling or maybe I bought shitty paper again.

Drawing from journal while at work.

can anyone tell me what the glaring issues are

>>3226286
Glaring issue is that you are putting down lines without knowing what they are, what the reason for it and how to deduce where to place it.

Like the first line across the top of the sphere, what is that line suppose to indicate.

What I assume is your eye level guide and center line isn't even drawn correctly let alone the side plane.

It takes more than 5 minutes to glance over a book before you "get it" so just try to understand more what exactly it is you are drawing and take it slowly.

>>3225970
Thanks, I tried again. Feels off, I don't know how to fix it.

>>3226210

You can draw from photo. There's nothing wrong with it. But always keep in mind that your subject is a 3D shape in 3D space.

Drawing from life does help but you can learn by keeping it in mind while drawing from photo ref.

People who say don't do this, do that without any explanation. Probably just repeating shit they see around here. They don't even know what it means. Especially in /beg/.

wip so far

>>3226286
Align these lines parallel to each other. Eyebrow line is in the middle of the circle and the horizontal line in the middle of your face curves until that line, then goes straight down.

Practice simple Loomis head first and then check Hampton for head reference.

>>3225982
Thanks for the comment. You might be right. I'll look at the reference again.


>>3226210
>i find it really hard to get clean lines on a tablet

What stabilization level are you using? Beyond that you need to get out of the habit of fuzzy lining / chicken scratching in general which is thoroughly entrenched habit in most beginners. To use a simple example, when most beginners are freehanding an elipse, they just keep going around in a circle until it looks more even, the correct lines are buried under the incorrect ones and you can't learn from that.

Think about the line and ghost it if you need to and remember especially that digital art is very forgiving. Just ctrl+z.

Here's mine to compare. I'm a beginner too and these aren't perfect so sorry if I am coming off as too pedagogical, but I am starting to get satisfied with my line work.

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>>3226068
Thumb is too big, otherwise looks pretty good.

>>3226340
>What stabilization level are you using?
I use photoshop, there isnt any.

gonna stop here for today and continue tomorrow

>>3226357
also that leg is seriously long, why didnt i notice that before

>>3226314
I think the stem looks a tad long. Without proper foreshortening there we lose a bit of depth.
To me, the main problem is lack of contrast in the values. The banana is close to a cylinder and consistently yellow but you've got that edge which should separate it into two primary planes instead of a cylinder. Make the plane in shadow darker, especially near that edge. Give it some reflected light just above the occlusion shadow where it meets the ground. Then you should be cookin

Help me, /beg/. How I memorize stuff? I managed to do a good study but I'm afraid it won't stick in my mind!

posted this in the last thread, but nobody replied

>>3226266
It still looks really weird

>>3224407
Stopping here for today, I'll be honest, I don't even know what's going on in the bottom of the bottle. Too much light going on. It's getting difficult to manage. Let's say though, that I do get all the colors blocked in correctly, what's the next step after that? Blending?

>>3224442
I did 800x800 pixel size, did I fuck it up?

>>3226378
>>3226314
Actually, I was looking at this on my phone with the brightness down all the way and I misjudged the reference. I still think lack of contrast is your problem but it's more like three planes instead of two. The two in shadow are pretty similar in value. Also, really look closely for the difference in shape and value by the base and the side by the stem. By the base, those edges are shape. By the stem it's softer and more cylindrical and the light wraps around it more. You've captured that in contour but not value.

>>3226401
Yeah. Typically you'll want to multiply your final product dimensions by 3 for the psd. For example, a 1000 x 2000 character portrait would be 3000 x 6000. But this picture looks a million times better than your first. Keep working on it until you can't get it any better, and then keep it in a place that you see often to remind yourself of the fruits of hard labor

Hey /ic/, this is my first time here. I'd really like to start getting into art, mostly sketching and panting. This is the first thing I have legitimately tried to draw in about 15 years. What can I improve upon? I'm not too happy with the nose but I have no idea how to approach them from a front view. Lips are the fucking worst to do and I am only just barely satisfied with the eyes. I attempted a bit of shading on the left side where her hair covers her face and I'm generally satisfied with it, but I want to know how better to shade in order to bring out some more detail and contours.

What's your take, /ic/?

>>3226409
For context here is the pic I referenced.

>>3226296
I think you really pegged me down. Thanks for this

>>3226409
Loomis

i've been experimenting/looking for my style a bit lately. any critique would be apreciated

some stickers for starters

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>>3226420
some attempts at character design

>>3226413
What?

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>>3226425
marker experiment

>>3226426
marker experiment 2

oh jeez, can anyone help me? I've gotten rid of gimp and downloaded both krita and firealpaca. alpaca blends really easily but krita has such a big selection on brushes I really want to use it but omg the lag. also it does this thing where I'll pick out a brush I like then paint with it and for a while it will look as I want it to, then after a while the lines will bolden and look different. any one know what it is I'm dealing with?

I feel like a special needs child.

>>3226429
>any one know what it is I'm dealing with?
free software

>>3226432
The fruit is darker than the shadows.

>>3226409

>>3226435
When I look at the photo, it's obvious. But looking at it in front of me, the middle shadow looks darker. Do I have bad eyes?

>>3226444
Copying 2d shapes is a total noob trap btw. You'll never get to vilppu level unless you learn to visualize and feel form.

>>3226449
Take your hand like your about to fap and look through the hole. Matching value irl is hard as fuck. Local color is freaky. It's the contrast with the white paper that's doing it.

Trying to just draw as loose as I can, but still in control. It's pretty fun.

>>3226454
Also worth noting the dark side of the cylinder is darker than the labeled squares.

>>3226432
I'm screaming internally

>>3226257
>>3226384
feel the form anon.
memes aside, use contour lines if you are having trouble imagining it. Try to imagine how it would feel if you literally drew a line across the object in 3D. Now do that on the piece of paper. Also, use printer paper instead of ruled paper.

>>3226472
I actually drew it a little while ago, but I'm going to redraw it tommorow qnd try making the lines peter out at the top like your image. Also, if I draw on printer paper I'll just lose it. I want to buy a legit drawing notebook in a month or so.

>>3224348
I like it but don't rely on a thick black outline to define your shapes

New to /ic/, not sure if this is the right thread to ask, sorry if not.

Where do genitals and anus go?

My guess:
>green: clit/superior part of the vulva, penis
>blue: inferior part of the vulva, testes
>red: anus

I'm just no sure men and women actually share exact location like that. The penis seems to come out of a different location than the clit does... and the scrotum couldn't possibly take as much space as the whole inferior part of the vulva.

>>3226487
Why don't you look up a fucking diagram dummy?

>>3226238
>>3226246
heck yeah, nice improvement! keep working towards cleaning up the forms and values. your shading is much better than the beginning.

the paper grain thing isn't a big deal (I like how it looks, personally), though if the paper is low quality it will have less tooth, meaning that eventually it just won't take any more pigment aka you can't shade it more. if you want a smoother surface, look for heavier/thicker sheets, which will be listed as higher weight (pounds or grams) and will have different surfaces. bristol is usually pretty smooth, see if you can find some of that.

>>3226472
Can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by "feel the form"?

Should I consider becoming an hero? I have barely even started on both hair and anatomy and I have been practicing for three weeks trying to perfect the head

>>3226487
the vaginal entrance is incredibly close to the asshole, jsyk. the whole thing is a lot lower than you think. go look at actual diagrams though

can i get a critique pls. Im still trying to understand the forms of the face; The cheekbones and the side area between the eyes and ears give me a lot of trouble. Im starting to grasp the skull a little better, but dont know much about the muscels of the face; any good resources for that?

Also any general resources for showing emotion?


>>3226498
>>3226472
>use contour lines if you are having trouble imagining it
Contour lines have helped me a lot when trying to understand form. You have to experiment a lot with it tho; im still in the early stages of it but its pretty fun. Basically how the lines would wrap around the form.

>>3226428
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>>3226417
Pretty cool anon. Something im trying to improve on/keep in mind is varying the weight of the line in my drawings; you do it in some of them but not in all of them. But i dig them.

>>3226383
Looks good to me. What specifically did you want advice on?

>>3226451
But in order to do that you must first be able to manage the proportions of 2d shapes in your mind.

>>3226505
Learn proportion before learning construction. Also start copying skulls from reference. You'll start to see real progress.
>>3226510
If you want to learn to visualize form, study the base that face is built off of skulls and muscles will help your art as well.

>>3226451
How will you do form studies accurately and efficiently if you can't line up angles yet? Steps.

>>3226519
>>3226519
>If you want to learn to visualize form, study the base that face is built off of skulls and muscles will help your art as well.
Yea, drawing the skull has def helped; i actually own one and still do drawings from time to time. but what resource do i use for muscles of the face?

>>3226432
Why do you cry in every single one of these threads

>>3226498
When you draw on a piece of paper, you are creating the illusion of three dimensions in two dimensions. Imagine if you were drawing a line on a sphere. If you were drawing on an actual sphere in real life, like maybe a tennis ball, it wouldn't actually be a straight line floating in space. It would wrap around the sphere. Pic related was a 5 second attempt at explaining this.

So to begin with, gouache on A4 sheet. Tell me your though. C&C are welcome

>>3226510
>What specifically did you want advice on?

there's nothing specific I could think of, just wanted to know if there were any mistakes I made or if there was something I could improve on. I guess I should post some actually finished work next time.

>>3226505
if you wanna make your figures not look like they have a gun to their head don't draw the whole pupil. look at your own eyes and compare (this tricks works for a lot of things)

>>3226505
Proportions.
Also ease up on your pressure with your lines. It's a sketch, so you don't have to push down hard, nor do you have to make it one perfect line. If you try to draw a perfect line on sketching, you're going to drive yourself crazy. Use short, light strokes for sketches.

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>>3226662

Thank you anon for the kind words, I will keep it up. Watts wanted you to use cheap smooth paper (he used news print, but I cannot get it in my country) so I just tried to find cheap smooth paper that can handle charcoal. The current one I am using has a very slight tooth, like maybe just a degree rougher than the other paper I have used for example here : >>3226238

>>3226662
If your trying to move towards more realistic drawings , you should watch some tutorials on face proportions (cause they look really off to me).
If it's your style, than it's ok. But you should go further and start drawing not only headshots.

>>3226691
Aaaaand forgot to reply

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>>3226691
you might be able to find butcher paper instead of newsprint, it's a bit thicker than newsprint but you can get a huge roll of it

as long as you're learning the concepts you're fine. if you get to a point where you want to push your works to be more refined, you will have to get higher quality paper for that. watts himself doesn't push his work that far in the videos, but in the atelier itself they make people render the work more, I think

>>3226737
I will look into butcher paper, thank you for the tip my man. Yeah, I personally believe I understand the concepts, just executing them well is still hard. But I feel that is normal, this is the first week I ever used char coal or really worked with purely values, so I takes repetition and just plain old hard work to be able to pull these concepts off to a higher degree and maybe even better materials like you say.

>>3226383
you completely missed on a ton of things so much so i'm not sure how you don't realize. feet, thigh, lower leg, breasts, FACE

>>3226476
Draw with your eye not your brain. Look at the curves and shapes in the image and see if they actually match what you're drawing.

Soooo, I'm shit as you can see, and a huge beginner, and yes I do need to read the sticky a few more times. But right now theres something I cant shake off, and its how shitty and without confidence my lines are, I chicken scratch a fuckton. How do I make this stop, /ic/ ? Also any instructions other than reading the sticky are appreciated, I have 0 grasp on anything.

>>3227304
first off read the sticky

secondly most new people do this and once you start to get more confident it will usually fade away

>>3224339
I like your face better than mine, anon.

I usually never post here but I started doing art this pass summer and it's been really fun.
If anyone has any books in particular they feel would help me pls feel free.
This is my most recent drawing, I haven't even touched paint yet

>>3228673
gah i posted an unfinished version

Help.

>>3226382
do it over and over again and then try it again without looking at a reference. see where you fucked up and then practice that with reference some more