/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3212355
i drew this, i was looking at some davinci sketbooks and this catched my eye.

Drawing Fundies Phase 1 - http://www.mediafire.com/file/xg4gn24k3372rpg/0_-_Drawing_Fundamentals_Phase_I.zip

Drawing Fundies Phase 2 - http://www.mediafire.com/file/ya9b60emo7xvp91/Drawing_Fundamentals_Phase_II.zip

Figure Phase 1- http://www.mediafire.com/file/nyrcccjwf4cyar8/Figure_Phase_I.zip

Figure Phase 2 - https://www.mediafire.com/file/ah6cc03q9q3v74d/Figure%20Phase%20II.zip

>go to sticky
>you must suffer from symbol drawing!
>draw this picture upside down to cure it!

What the fuck? Fuck you. I dont suffer from that its that I literally fundamentally do not know how to draw . I cant even draw that thing upside down in any recognizable way

Fuck you and I dont like your tone

>>3212422
ur missing the point of the exercise

>>3212425
well i've just ripped up a bunch of paper (10 pages) all of which look nothing (not even vaguely) like that upside down fucking picture and im pissed and havent improved in any of those fucking things! then the sticky jumps right into drawing people and shit, i want to do landscapes and flowers and maybe animals but the sticky basically says you're on your own, go look at this stuff but im going ot devote the next 50 steps to drawing people

>>3212390
All of his shit is on CGPeers. Open for registration 1st and 15th of every month. You're welcome.

>>3212428
no shit sherlock

>>3212364
very good. technically sound.

>>3212449
Forgive me for my ignorance but what that hell technically sound means? Anon?

*gets memed on*

How the fuck do I make body parts into simple shapes better, or just draw more accurately to images?
I just want to be able to draw men freehand

>>3212488
Use cartoons like Young Justice,Scooby Doo or AtLA as reference.

Hi, how did I do?

>>3212537
I feel like the head is too long forwards-wise.

>>3212355
I'm working on a piece for a DND campaign. Can someone tell how badly i'm fucking up?

>>3212547
Read the sticky.

just did this

>>3212505
oh here's the reference

did i do another same face?

>>3212604
I reckon it's very good. technically sound.

>>3212604
i wish i had the willpower of this man to keep going in hard times. i would probably be in a better life position

>>3212607
just dont be a pussy
>>3212605
thanks. should i try to render it into a grayscale drawing?

getting mroe comfortable with blending with this brush

>>3212617
Are you asian

>>3212478
actually cool and stylish whish I didn't hate doing rooms and backgrounds

>>3212626
what gave it away MAN

>>3212628
Wait, so I got it right?
Cool render by the way

>>3212634
yeah, still don't see what drew that conclusion. also thanks!

>>3212505
>>3212600
Please respond

>>3212636
>>3212636
>>3212636
Well, the facial structure of your render was more akin to a mongoloid. (even accounting for the original’s bony cheeks)
The cheek bones are positioned a little bit downwards at a low angle and has little distance with the wide jaw. The distance between the lips and the nostrils are also shorter. But it’s still a very believable portrait study.

Racial features often show up unconscious in people’s drawings. Same with mine. I’m not sure can even fix this stubborn mental condition.

>>3212600
Are you caucasian

>>3212639
Interesting! I find that odd considering that when I draw/paint eyes way too big initially and have to shrink them :^)

>>3212643
Haha, it’s just a pseudo theory I thought of. Keep working hard dude

Damn, there's a world of difference drawing with the wrist and drawing with the shoulder.

>>3212355
ooh I like this, very good. Technically accurate.

>>3212505
I like it a lot, anon. Only suggestion would be to play around with the lighting. :)

>>3212617
clean up your edges, this is very important

>>3212644
>Haha,

I'm trying to make an extension of this cd cover but I am having trouble with perspective, does this seem like an alright angle to start with or should I readjust it again?

don't wanna flood the thread
http://imgur.com/a/gDeXv
pls comment

>>3212805
Good effort, keep it up.

Haven't drawn in years really, right is yesterday, left is today. It's starting to come back to me.
How do I learn to properly shade? Terrified of dark greysm

>>3212805
proportions my dude. arms, legs, they are not okay. work on then. give it shadow so it haves volume

>>3212454

Ignore it anon...

thighs ended up just a bit too short, shit

>>3212505

It's better to use photos that really shows form for practice.

Is /ic/ the right board for sculpting (with polymer clay)?

>>3212605
>>3212672
>>3212811

I'm back!!

>>3212703
Edges you mean on the outside of the face or the soft edge/hard edge transitions? I thought I did okay with that.

>>3212617

His jaw is digging into the neck skin. There's an obvious occlusion shadow.

Eye shape is different. Just lower the upper eyelid a little and make the iris slightly smaller.

His chin is wider. You made him look more feminine by shrinking it.

There are slightly darker value on the side plane of the nose. Even if there isn't just put it there to push the form.

some sketches of a terrible chinese mango

>>3212984

Learn about foreshortening.

>>3213003
another one bites the dust, also why does this rotation keep happening

>>3213008

You need to crop the height a little. Otherwise it'll auto rotate. For some reasons some phone portrait size doesn't work well with desktop and website.

Download an app if you don't have a built in editor. Also you can set the size in the camera settings or reduce the image size with an editor.

>>3213003
Try using a small sketchpad first.

Works better for beginner artists, large drawings are way more difficult for beginners (unless you position and sketch like you were a painter but very rarely do we have one of those)

Plus they are cheaper.

Or just bend white pages in 4 and use those spaces.

>>3213011
ah, I see, I should realistically get a scanner so I don't have to use a phone camera, but for now i'll stick to cropping it, thanks!
>>3213012
I always wondered if size mattered, my s/o gave me a big 9" by 11" sketchpad so i'll try folding the pages for a smaller size until I can get a small one, it would be nice to have something portable too

I'm tackling Scott Robertson's materials right now.

But I'm having a hard time drawing "new" forms.

As in, when I tackle the exercises, I often find myself just repeating the examples. Mostly because I can't imagine forms and adding/subtracting usually leads to forms that are rigid and not really found in subjects.

Any easy or important methods to find good forms to observe/replicate instead of having to come up with your own?

Any resources with good forms to observe, do the exercises on would be helpful!

Started drawing again for the first time in years maybe. How do I not fear dark greys and all around shade/tone better?

>>3212984
The big issue is that the legs are too short. Make sure to build your landmarks.

>>3213061
I am also a /beg/ but I'll try to give some decent feedback.

Fur is hard, I def wouldn't start there for if you're just getting back in the game. But you should first block out your subject with simple geometries. Use the geometries to decide if the plane of that geometry is facing the light and how dark or light it should be.

Right now it feels like you're on the right track but it's lacking contrast and comes off flat. Also, even the paper in your photo is really far from pure white so that isn't helping.


How are my gesture sketches coming?

>>3213110
Not gestures

>>3213121

Did I go past gesture? What are they? Also, some less semantic feedback would be nice.

>>3213108
Yeah i know, i couldn't be arsed to make the canvas longer

>>3213124
All you did was follow contour. What you're supposed to do in gesture is quickly get the essence of the pose in fluid strokes. Your drawings are too stiff and detailed, if your intention was to get accurare proportions then maybe you got something going but that's not gesture.

just stole my sisters cth 470 tablet, will i be able to draw now

>>3213143
is the first one of the black guy a little closer?

>>3213145

No.

>>3213108

Really? Not the face? The first thing I see is the face. Fucked up the first thing that people see and they wouldn't bother looking at anything else.

First attempt at learning values. Looking for hints, tips, and brutal criticism if necessary.

From the nose up I think it looks passable but the rest is in the uncanny valley

>>3213170
How long have you been drawing?

>>3213170
i say it's very good and technically sound.

>>3213173
I got a bad feeling about answering this but...I've been drawing since middle school, but it was only two years or so ago that I started trying to get serious.

Guys Please help me!!!!

I want to download pics of master artworks collections but can’t find anything. Just Rembrandt collection
I want William-Adolphe Bouguereau collection of masterpieces but can’t find it.
I don’t want to download one by one, I just one a full pack with the 533 artworks.
Where can I find it.

>>3213178
Then that makes me feel better I thought you were going to say you had only been drawing a couple of weeks or something. It looks really good Anon I hope I am as good as you are after only 2 years.

grinding

>>3213177

Thank you. Now fuck off.

>>3213170
This is just me but I would paint the background values in loosely first so that your value relations w the canvas are the same as those in the reference.

>>3213185
nice
now think about varying the way you draw lines (fast vs. slow and deliberate) to convey different amounts of energy and movement.

>>3213177
I'm not this asshole>>3213189

Thank you very much!

>>3213172
Here's a few pointers. Question, did you jump immediately from observing the ref to painting the full pic--that is, did you not draw out the locations of her eyes/lips/nose before you started painting?

>>3212428
>watts atlier full online program - 295.6GB

oh my god.

i thought erik olson's 40gb of perspective was bad. it would be a full time job to even watch all those videos

>>3213194
I feel like Vilppu seems to get the line action and lineweight across more than Loomis

>>3213193
I really wasnt sure what to do with the background. I'll try to do that with the next one, thanks.

>>3213194
And thanks ^^

>>3213204
Animators always will be the best at figure drawing. Loomis is just a 1950s comic book artist, vilppu is a grand master.

>>3213199
Not them but damn you're good at this.

>>3213218
tryin oils out also

If people don't reply to a post, does that mean they can't find anything significantly wrong with the drawing, or is it so bad it's not worth anyone's time?

>>3213225
if you post a lazy 10 minute drawing, no one is going to take the time to critique

>>3213199
Oh man thank you so much for this! Yeah I just went to painting without drawing anything out. I really appreciate the help

>>3213199
i honestly thought you left this godforsaken place

how do you learn from an artbook the best way? copying the pictures you see?

>>3212537

>>3213275
I also want to know this, I've been reading most of the recommended beginner books but I'm not sure I am absorbing all the lessons properly

christ im bad, im just too much of a brainlet to draw right

>>3213361
Learn some perspective.

>>3213361
Remember what the Saviour said about taking his name in vain.

If you guys were to order the fundamentals of art by importance, what would it be?

I'm trying to create a streamlined sort of curriculum for me to go through because my learning process at the moment is a clusterfuck.

>>3213368
Give us a list of what you think the fundamentals are.

I got to the last page of my first sketchbook and decided to finish it with a drawing of my hand since that was one of the first things I drew in it.

It's not great but I think I've made a little progress. I slacked off for a lot of the year so it isn't a realistic time frame.

>>3213364
ok i learned perspective, guess i just trace this now and call it a day

>>3213378
>sketchbook
>block of lined paper
Yeah. You've made very little progress.

>>3213383
I sketch in it, it's a sketchbook, retard. I have a proper one sitting beside me anyway.

>>3213389
very good. technically sound.

>>3213381
Not him but, how did you build that?

Second attempt at learning values. This time I tried an image that I thought had a lot more subtle values and strong contrast.

>>3213395
source sdk, using the hammer editor

>>3213402
Thankyou anon.

>>3213368
proportions and perspective trump all imo. even if you chickenscratch like a motherfucker, if you manage to scratch out a proportionate form like a body it will still look okayisch or at least better than a well drawn disproportionate ugly figure

>>3212478
Getting there. Try to describe form when you're hatching lines instead of just adding them at any point of shadow. Trace the contour of the shapes, for instance on the stool at the foreground, you can describe the shape of the side better by tracing contour with crosshatching instead of just zigzags at an arbitrary direction. A good inspo pic would be something like pic related.

i feel like i am getting back into that swing of just doing studies because i don't have any inspiration for creative things.

>>3213439
Thanks, I've been looking for something like this, I get a lot of criticism directed towards my crosshatching

>>3212355
Is digital (mouse and tablet with some program like krita) the best way of doing things? What advantage do I get from using a pencil, a pen, or oil painting instead, other than oil painting having the possibility for lots of thick paint for texture?

>>3213441
A strong study habit trumps just painting when you're inspired. So good on you. Keep studying as best you can, just be mindful you're not pushing into burnout territory. Inspiration will come.

Far as this piece, think you could stand to have a little more light hitting the chin. Would also add a touch more contrast to the left portion of the neck to keep from looking like a bullfrog (or worse,George Lucas).

I'd go so far as to say you're likely a grade too high for beg. I personally don't care. Post it where ever people are actually giving proper critiques.

>>3213441
What an alpha male

want to get good at hatching

>>3213690

top kek

>>3213700

>>3213275

taking the concepts and applying them in your own drawings, photo reference, whatever. copying diagrams is only really good to get a feel for proportions

>>3213690
>>3213693
Look at, and learn from art you like.
This fishing net shit looks bad especially the white parts.

YOU. YES YOU.

How long have you been drawing, anon?
Post your latest piece.

>>3213693
you have to hatch denser, there's still no real value in this

perhaps just start off with single hatching before using cross hatching

>>3213381
tablet just looks so artificial and fake
fuck this im going back to paper

>>3213399
Posted this rather late last night. Anything I need to work on specifically?

>>3213399

Need more skull at the back and spend more time on the eyes. EYES ARE VERY IMPORTANT!

Your eyes looks flat. Inaccuracy is okay and understandable. It's to get it accurate without measuring like an autist to the point that you might as well trace it.

But half assed job on the eyes is NO GOOD!

Go look at any portraits anon. The part of the image you look at first is the part you need to work on the most. This is what we call a focal point. The center of interest.

I was watching the Gary Meyer perspective video and it was great so far and made me aware of a lot of stuff but once it hit the 3 point perspective technical stuff I completely lost the plot

I don't know if I'm just too stupid for this or if my experience is normal

>>3212390
what's on this zip?

>>3213702
Looks like a very cool star trek alien.
The drawing is good too.

>>3213970
Crap I forgot to resize

Did this with a fine sharpie I found, just started drawing without using a pencil. Wanna get better with the pen.

>>3213854
The first 4 phases of the Watts Atelier drawing course. It's beg stuff that slowly progresses. http://www.wattsatelier.com/course-previews/drawing/

And yes you can get the whole thing on cgpeers but not everybody is able to make an account there and I just wanna help anons.

Practicing fundamentals of drawing approach #2

I must say can’t approach the feet and the hands, can’t do them yet, hands and feet will be my next study.

I can’t make lighter tones, I have just 2b and 4b pencils.

>>3214022
Practicing fundamentals of drawing approach #2

I must say can’t approach the feet and the hands, can’t do them yet, hands and feet will be my next study.

I can’t make lighter tones, I have just 2b and 4b pencils.

>>3213185
Oh cool, you used all the same references as me. This is really helpful to see someone more skilled do the same drawings.

Is studying golden ratios a good way to learn composition?

>>3214027
RIP references at the start of the thread. That's how I used to get the most practice, plus seeing the pros do it in the study threads

>>3213199
>tumblr nose

joking aside this is pretty helpful not just for OR, thanks for sharing

I just want a baby tier run sheet of tasks to complete. I don't seem very good at setting myself tasks

>>3214085
Then you won't make it. An important part of art is self-reliance. You can get all the critique in the world but if you don't put it on yourself to put it to use and self-direct yourself in your studies without needing your hand held for every little thing then how will you do things when you're alone? And doing it now as a beginner will set up good habits later on.

>>3213970
>>3213973
could you post the reference for a proper critique

>>3213199
you have very pretty handwriting wtf

>>321422

>>3214226
I’m agree with you, he does.

>>3214231
you don't manually type in the post number right

>>3214226
>>3214072
>>3213208
thank you guys <3

>>3213249
mostly lurk nowadays. first time i've posted in a while.

>>3213241
no prob, and best of luck in learning to paint :)

>>3213441
fukken kek
are you the guy that drew tyler a couple of days ago as a hammerhead shark?

>>3214289
the one i used as op? that was in fact not me

>>3214294
yeah that one. surprised to see tyler posted here out of all places

did one before i schleep

>>3214268
Anon I really like the pic. Author? You?

Can someone get a bush work like this using digital software? If you know a artist please tell me.

>>3213441
I like the wet looking. How do you get that effect?

>>3214298
A few things:
the nose is way to small
face to thiccc
and the moth is to small.

I'm starting to get sick of doing Draw-a-Box. Only on lesson 2 but I want to begin some other studies if that's what you even call them.

From what I understand, Hampton's book teaches a method of construction right? Is the learning process of drawing people something like:
>gesture
>construction
>anatomy

>>3214298
Everything is too light including the background.

how'd I do?

>>3214042
While it's an actual thing that can help you out it's not as important as many people make it out to be. You can as well use rule of thirds.

Just check out Gurney's posts about the golden ratio on his blog.

>>3214309
Don't do one thing only. Mix it up with other studies and draw some personal stuff in between.

You have to grind but you don't have to exclusively grind 1 thing.

>>3214304
wet looking...? not sure what you mean. probably just the texture of the brush. I only use one too for the whole thing.

Must I draw really accurate lines to makes things look right when I do gesture drawing? I've been practicing for a week, but I feel like I'm not improving.

>>3214471
Download vilppu's manual and flick through the way he draws poses, the amount of detail there is the amount of detail you need. I don't read books, I just try and copy the linework of artists and I feel that vilppu has the right amount of looseness, Proko's are pretty stiff.

I'm really struggling when it comes to getting proportions right when I'm drawing something I have zero reference for (video game character taking a train...)

https://youtu.be/0YOPsr9Yumc

>>3214485
very good. technically sound.

>>3214485
Yah man it's just the proportions, everything else looks stunning. Really like this concept ;)

>>3214490
this

>>3214504
>>3214490
>>3214505
thanks for the confirmation I was under the impression that my beginner thread work was flawless and got the boost i need to give up my job and go into art

>>3214509
good luck anon

>>3214485
The trick with proportions is to visually measure things against other things.

Use mnemonics to help you remember, like if you can't remember that the fingertips when the arm is straight down is usually one hand length above the knees, then think that I can still reach my dick and fap with arm slightly bent.

If you use this and measure her arms to see if she can even reach her crotch, you can see that her arms are too short... plus the right hand would have a thumb facing the viewer.

>>3214524
useful tip thanks.

So I have a doubt, I'm currently starting DrawABox, and will also do Loomis (guess both can be done at the same time, being basics and stuff)
What else do I do? "just draw"?

>>3212978
super quick edit to show you how it would look like if you would work more cleanly

>>3214552
Draw everyday till you do it by automation. So yeah, just draw.

>>3212984
>>3212703

I drawing characters without ref a bad idea when ur a beg? I after doing studies for a few hours I just feel super bored.

Studying legs and waist separately will help me improve? I feel like my ability to draw the lower body is worse than the upper body.

Also, how's the anatomy in general?

>>3214567
Anything goes, right?
Thank you anon.

>>3214597
Anything goes.

>>3214614

>>3214593
Thats a fantastic idea. Heres how your practice should look ideally.
>draw from imagination
>draw from life/reference/practice fundies
>draw from imagination using what you learned

>>3214624
why not do that, and reproduce the same drawing. It's fun to see the differences

>>3214624
>>3214593
yeah that sounds alot nicer than just grinding fundies 24/7.

>>3213728
30 Minutes!

trying to get back into it after 6 months, can't even remember loomis construction for face damn

original

>>3214715
plan our your drawing, you have good drawing skills, but proportions are all over the place
And try to figure out a more appealing way to draw air/mouth

>beg for crits
>get a bunch from different anon
>ignored it and keep posting the same shit

This is why the good artist here don't even bother...

>>3214824
Who are you talking about exactly?

>>3214715
you're symbol drawing

Old masters studies

I'm checking those Watts videos but he says that among the materials you should use Conte 1710B pencils but I don't think I can find any place that sells them here in Mexico or at least not online.

Are there any similar products I can use?

At age 25 and not even able to keep up with Loomis Fun With A Pencil I'm losing hope that I'll ever learn to draw or even if I did it wouldn't be until I'm a 35-year-old NEET failure... I just want to become a nice porn artist and make people happy and horny and give me money some day..

Is this kind of progress even real, or was it a bullshit image thrown around to demoralize?

>>3214938
The secret to great art is that you've got to practice EVERY SINGLE DAY (and not just the fun stuff).

Practice anatomy and drawing skeletons, practice drawing proportions, practice perspective, practice blending colors, practice lighting and shadows, practice practice practice and EVENTUALLY you'll become someone good.

That's all there is to it.

>>3214938
What the other anon said. Also. Do studies and have a purpose for them, apply them. Don't study random things that mean nothing to you. Ex: Don't study birds and then go draw a knight later.

>>3213854
>I don't know if I'm just too stupid for this or if my experience is normal
It's very easy to get confused while working in 3 point. I even remember Meyer drawing lines to the wrong measuring point every now and then. Just pay attention to the points you made.

>>3214938

Fun with pencil is not the place to start if you're an absolute beginner.

>>3214981
I'll probably give it a watch again later but yeah I even saw Meyer getting a little confused with all the letters so I felt really intimidated.

>>3214938
They have been drawing ever since they were kids. You are starting to put pencil to paper now at 25. Take that into consideration. There's close to no way that you can compare yourself. Just buckle down and study hard.

>>3214938
I mean images like that are pretty real, there's an artist I follow and one of his tanks shows an insane amount of improvement from first to last chapter in a span of roughly 3 years (although it was already pretty good to start with)

>>3214716

Using this ref. Thanks anon.

I took a break for few days and it felt like everything gone away.

https://www.dickblick.com/items/00855-1249

Is this a good deal? I'm too poor for copic rn.

>>3213185
>>
>female rick
WHY

>>3215091
>tfw a guy comes out looking girly when you use girl references
https://i.imgur.com/rJMg7Eo.png
https://i.imgur.com/M0gg2nt.png
https://i.imgur.com/N2XqHGg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZVstZGA.jpg

weird question, but what's a good brand I should be looking at as far as mechanical pencils go?

>>3214490
very good meme. technically sound.

>>3213693
>>3213690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIIpEuLxsiI

this guy has alot of good videos about crosshatching.

I'm trying to practice inking. I dont really know what im doing. Same thing for adding values. Any tips on that? Going for manga style.

Other critiques appreciated too.

>>3215223
>>3215223
>>3215223

forgot image

>people always sucking Loomis dick left and right
>"FUN WITH A PENCIL! START THERE! DO IT NOW!"
>it's nothing but weird obnoxious 1920's ass fat balding cartoon man faces with bloated cheeks

I really don't think I'm learning anything at all

Did this one from imagination instead of a photo, tried paying more attention to giving texture with the shading. Looking at it now I should've done something different with the columns

>>3215256
I don't read artbooks, the only time I open them it's to try and copy their linework style in my own art or have a quick skim about how they approach shit.

>>3215288
Post work.

Is there any good way to overcome beginner burnout other than just 'keep doing it' because I'm still at can't-do-an-ellipse-right stages but it feels like even though I've been making myself put pencil to paper at least once every day for about 3 months now, the diligence and discipline of practice isn't there since I can't keep my fat ass working for more than a short while before burning out for the day. the fact I've been a jobless NEET for years probably doesn't help because it demolished my work ethic considering I can only manage to make myself focus for about 20 minutes of failing to get basic forms right before I lose momentum

>>3215302
Draw what you want to draw.

>>3215290
Is it supposed to be stretched?

>>3214918
So you are from Mexico amigo?

>>3212953
>>3214593
>>3214681
eyes 2 big?

>>3215383
Eyes too low, forehead too short

>>3215399
so the eyes need to be higher AND the forehead needs to be bigger?

>>3215383
Cranium looks too small to me.

>>3214918
any B or 2B pencil/charcoal would probably work fine, the main advantage of the conte is that you can make a variety of values from light to dark without applying too much pressure, and with the way it's sharpened you can make thin/thick lines/shading

other people who use the contes also use wolff's carbon 6b or primo 59b

you should be able to find them online easily, not sure about shipping to mexico though. dick blick, amazon, ebay, etc all carry them

>>3215220
that video is good but it didnt teach me anything new. he basically just said you can mix directional hatching and to follow form. thats it.

I've been working on an app recently but have no idea how to begin making the images, any recommendations?

>>3215471
>>>/gd/

hand and feet HOW

>>3215504
studies

>>3215474
Thanks

Is copying art upside down as bad as tracing?

>>3215401

There are a lot of construction technique that will help you with the placement and size.

i'm so fucking tired

Critique my 2 minute gestures, please.

>>3215651
Are you just copying him? What the hell are you learning by doing that?

>>3215699
post your work

Crit appreciated . I tried to make one of those thumbnail things

>>3215701

That technique is for you to make multiple thumbnails. Just put down anything you could think off then compare and choose what you think is the best.

>>3215646
What is the logic behind this?

howbadly I fucked up?

I hope I am doing this right its my first post here anyway, what do you think about this?

>>3215717
You're no BEGINNER, geddafuck out of here and go to the Big Boy threads before you make me feel even worse about my lack of talent

>>3215718
wait they told me to go post here so where do I even post. I am not super new at drawing but I draw like once a few months and apart from some friends who will say nice to everything I just wanted to know how I do.

>>3215711
the body looks too stiff.
You didn't finish the rendering
It looks like you didn't design the clothing enough.
I like the sword.

But know what you are getting there. keep working anon.

>>3215723
Man, post here if you want, I'm just jealous of you and your decent level of skill, jerk. I'm over here still fucking up ellipses and failing at basic Loomis.

>>3215717
>>3215723

Yes you are a definitely a beginner. Ignore that faggot.

Need advise pl0x

>>3215734
just how HIGH do you even have to be to do something like that

>>3215736
why? is it this bad?
Its my third drawing ever...

>>3215274
Nice the ink looks a little rough thought.

>>3215738
heh. aight, a lot of people just bait on here, so i was giving you a hard time.
might want to get away from anime for a bit to learn form and stuff like that.
draw a lot, read the books by andrew loomis since they teach basic anatomy and stuff like that and you should be good to go. have fun!

>>3215734
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>>3215741
Well my friends said good, but anyway i see many mistakes a few hours after ending the drawing, so i neede another opinion.
I watch a lot of anime so its my only reference.
I never tried out anything else.

>andrew loomis
Thank you :3
i will try it an contribute another time.
Anyway its just a hobby, beside my time as a soldier.

>>3215747
There is a thread for anime genrell?
Well, will post pic in another thread again.
Thanks for hint.

>>3215747
look at that thing

he's gonna get redirected back here and be stuck in a loop

Anyone else get a security warning on this site? I've been using it ages but only just got the warning. Is it safe to use?

https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>3215751

Andrew Loomis is about construction. Which is an advance topic for a beginner.

If you can't or don't understand drawing from observation (by eye) you're going to have hard time understanding it.

I'll just suggest keys to drawing as a start. Spend a month or two on just training your eye and observation drawing. Then jump into Loomis.

I don't know if you're going to listen or are you going to be another whiny thread starter. Take it or leave it.

>>3215757
Safe to use.

The warning is due to their "security certificate" lapsing which is usually purchased through a third party, to verify that the "secure connection" is actually secure in laymen terms.

Basically its like the warning lights on your car saying that it's due for maintenance. Could still probably break down and kill you but can still be used.

Tell me everything i did wrong with this image.

>>3215711
I did the rendering from memory just for fun, maybe you can get something from it, but its not entirely correct.
Always keep muscles/skeleton in mind. And change colors if the look dull/muddy. Imagine yourself as the viewer.

>>3215860
>>3215711
oh and think of basic forms (box, cylinder, tube etc)

>>3215815
looks good desu senpai. Now try rendering more difficult things, such as fabric and glass

Faces are hard.

>>3215881
Almost no brushwork, lay don't that airbrush and put something with a harder edge on top.

>>3215881
think about the 3d form of the head

>>3215950
darker values are planes facing away from the lightsource

still want to get good at hatching

>>3215458
maybe you should try watching his master classes.

>>3215979
what youre trying to do is advanced perspective stuff bro.
My example is isometric, so its even harder in realistic perspective.
Maybe draw the grid onto a sheet of paper, then build some forms and take a photograph of the form and study how the lines behave on the photograph.

WHY DO I KEEP FUCKING UP FACIAL PROPORTIONS
EYES TOO WIDE APART
NOSE WAY TOO LONG
LOOMIS PLEASE HELP ME

>>3216005
>>3215979

or try it like this, straight hatchlines

>>3216006
just keep drawing senpai

>>3216009
When does the suffering end?

>>3216012
it doesn't

>>3216005
this looks kind of tricky and i cant tell whether im doing it wrong or not.
is it all wrong or only partly wrong in mine above? can you circle the areas that are good or bad for me?
thanks in advance

>>3215293
Obviously there are thousands of people more professional than me.

Hi, In the sticky, it talks about "photobashing" -- I'm not sure exactly what this is, I guess it is using a photo as a base layer and painting over it? Is that what photobashing is?

>>3216015
you're doing it very wrong (the crosshatching part)

you're trying to project a grid with 90° angles onto a 3d surface in your mind = hard and wrong

I googled "how to crosshatch":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdou9wG89k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzeX84I-7OE

the goal is to make form visible, not to always cross lines at 90° or whatever advance shit you pulled on your drawing.

Try again with the same drawing after youtubing/googling and try to make form visible.

>>3216021
all im saying is:
hatching is like painting normally, the difference being that you paint lighter values with less lines and darker ones with more lines that cross each other.

you can follow the 3d form, but always think about the values

and make it easier by just using straight lines as you still lack the 3d understanding.

>draw a grid onto a sheet of paper, then build some forms (tube, cube etc) and take a photograph of the form and study how the lines behave on the photograph.

my best advice for understanding 3d i think

>>3216016
the face in your painting is too wide, needs more chin and the eyes and eyebrows are too big and close

obviously you need to dig into more art books my guy

>>3216018
us using parts of photographs and modifying (by changing proportions or colors) them to speed up your work. like using mounds of dirt to make mountains or shit like that and yeah ultimately you paint over them at least a little.

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>>3216027
my problem is i cant see my error very well, i understand its "somehow off" but no specifics. i cant really see the difference between that pen and ink video and mine.

could you do me a huge favour and take a small section of mine that is wrong and show a better version? i think that would really help me see it. and once again thanks in advance

how many times do I have to do each Bargue? I end up doing them wrong so most I draw 2 or 3 times being conscious of my mistakes but still not as precise as I want them to be

also related to that I've seen very different approaches like accurately meassuring everything to make it exact but also some people doing the sight-sizing which i don't quite get and the book itself says it's also better to practice measuring by eye so

which one is it? it's driving me bananas.

The recommended reading is kinda trash. It's just page after page of text followed by an incredible detailed illustration I could never hope to reproduce with my current skills and I'm supposed to learn something from this? At least fun with a pencil has iterative exercises and illustrations that build up to a more complex work. I'm sure these books are good if you already know how to draw but what's the point of that.

>>3216033
can you see how i gave your image much more form?
i was only concerned about value mostly, bending the lines where i thought i needed to show additional form.
Ideally you take your time and make clean lines, i just did it in a few seconds here.
Maybe pick up hatching a bit later, when you know more about painting vanilla style.

>>3216048
hatching is a
complex topic, much knowledge needed.

would you give painting your image in a normal style a try?
I think most of the issues will surface in a much more obvius way that way

>>3216012

when you get good at your preliminary mark making before going full autist on details

What should I do with fun with a pencil? I've been copying some of the things that Andrew has been doing but I don't feel like I'm learning anything, what should I be looking at or studying?

>>3216067
keys to drawing and a bunch of perspective.

at least freehanding some perspective is relaxing to me

>>3216032
How's this?

>>3216068
>keys to drawing
Maybe I'm dumb but this didn't actually teach anything. Just a bunch of detailed pictures and text.

>>3216100
You're either dumb or definitely not a beginner (the book's target audience)

>>3216112
well a lot of things in it seem obvious but if you really get conscious about the stuff in it you'll catch yourself bnot doing them at all. you'll end up not looking at what you're drawing or symbol drawing (drawing what you think it looks like) instead of actually drawing what's in front of you.

and if you don't fall on these mistakes then, as >>3216112 said, you're not a beginner so stop reading that.

>>3216095
the forehead is a little shorter and the jawline is a little off (too pointy) but it's pretty good keep it up

>>3212355
ok so i gave up and said fuck this i want to learn. i started learning from Andrew Loomis, downloaded all his book and i am studying "AL drawing heads and hands".

any advice or tips also how am i progressing and what should i learn to get better with heads.

>>3216037
please someone save my soul

>>3216173
loomis is a bit too advanced, especially that book. I'd go with keys to drawing or bargue.

>>3216122
Thankyou anon, your comments really help (and motivate me to get my shit together.)

>>3216196
Everyone is different, is your problem with preciseness one of hand/eye control or your sizing by hand?

>>3216196
It's a meme dude, someone has been pushing this shit hard lately.

>>3216204
It's all but I can kinda see your point I'll try both ways I guess? I don't really care too much about precision but if I gotta have it I'll have it.

>>3216206
what's a meme, bargue or sight-sizing

>>3216197
for real?
i have keys to drawing and tried to draw but saw no progress. maybe i was doing something wrong. anything i should watch out for on that book and thanks

>>3216047
It's a big problem that I've found too. The books make some large jumps even if you've been doing every exercise. I understand that they can't teach things that you have to learn from practice but there are leaps in expectations of what they put on the paper and what you're capable of drawing. Eventually settled on the Vilppu manual and had a much better time. Keys To Drawing and Vilppu ended up being the best for me. I really didn't care for Loomis at all, and some parts of Keys to Drawing didn't sit well. I went through Scott Robertson's How to Draw but didn't get much from it since I knew a lot of the perspective already and what I did learn was mostly tricks for things I don't intend to draw often.

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>>3212355
thoughts?

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>>3212355
Ancient-ass drawing photographed with shitty phone camera.