/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Painted this girl today

>>3207323
Cool OP pic. Reminds me of Rapoza.
>>3207324
Neato Brian(?), some of it looks kinda funky though. That arm (not holding the pencil) in particular looks off, maybe too many sharp edges and corners? idk. It's kinda interesting the way you framed the eye between the two clumps of hair. The blue/green cold tones on the eye also look noice. Not a fan of how you did the rest of the hair though, looks almost wig-like. Solid piece for the most part mang.

>>3207324
>girl

gonna do a little more texture and then start on color

>>3207355

pose is awk especially when looking at the boots. maybe because the pants don't drape, neither does the shirt. hips are level too.

Composition came out kind of wonky but I think my colors are getting better

Gonna post the pieces I did this week along with my current WIP. What bad habits do I have?
1/3

>>3207499
2/3

>>3207500
and my current WIP. Trying to get out of that rule of thirds comfort zone.

>>3207502
your compositions and textures are so beautiful and atmospheric but I think there needs to be more of a well-defined focal point. The latest WIP is a step in the right direction

>>3207323
I like the Dave Rapoza feel of your piece, OP. Share your brushes.

>>3207504
Thanks. I'm only just beginning to understand photobashing - what a wonderful tool.

Just did this to practice for an upcoming project. Criticism appreciated.

Still looking for crit on this...

>>3207323
I want more tea.

Just so you people know, if you take me there to get clean I'm just going to come right back and do even more than before.

Just let me go.

>>3207502
Well I understand you want to get out of that rule, but atleast don't make it symmetric, that's way worse.

>>3207546
Looking good so far. If that's supposed to be a sweater then when you're in the touch-ups and render stage you might want to put in some texture in the midtones. Why does it look like she's wearing no bra and a thin shirt but she has no indication of nipples? That throws me off a bit.

>>3207534
You need foreshortening, hand should not be that big and the right arm needs better form

I need some (Yous), feed me /ic/

>>3207587
Really flat. Try drawing the face in planes, and then do your values based on that first.

>>3207587
You need to practice with values and colors a lot more. Also your process needs some serious work.

Make a clean sketch, put down a color for the background, base colors, then you block in shadows, smooth out the soft shadows and clean up your hard shadows, then render and detail.

Not much to be done about you until you learn the right process.

>>3207592
And this is how you apply a block-in and sketch to a human face.

is this still /beg/?

is this still /beg/?

>>3207592
Step one to step two reminds me of 'draw the rest of the fucking owl'

painted these ladies

>>3207864
yes

>>3207960
fuck
how close am i?

Sorry for shit photo quality

drawing with sanguine and a white wax crayon

>>3207864
depends how your rendering skills are. the sketch is good enough

>>3207935
really terrible.

>>3207964
good sketch.

>>3207592
nicley done

>>3207546
you're not kuvshinov stop trying to be something you're not

>>3207500
>>3207502
>>3207499
great thumbnails

>>3207433
stop trying to be moebius

>>3207355
proportions are off

>>3207324
bad. no other words.

>>3208027
stoping drawing from photos

still blocking this in, hope to have more to show in the next few days

>>3208050
But I want to be Moebius

>>3208065
I like the underpainting better. It would be cool if you could incorporate some of that organic texture into the final work, but I know that won't happen cause you only get that look working transparent over primer.

Props for being ambitious, that shit is huge!

drew this guy at the library, making him into a painting

>>3208338
you are making him into a rainbow, gayboy

>>3208340
ease up, lad. ease up.

>>3207961
learn how to use line to effectively describe the form. There's a bunch of random squiggles in your drawings. Cut the lines down to just the essentials.

You also keep drawing ugly old balding men

>>3208377
this is really helpful thanks. i can clearly see that yours is infinitely more appealing with only a few changes. is it possible to use all of these numerous rhythm lines to describe form, is it something im currently failing at or that i shouldnt be attempting at all?

>ugly old men
how not to?

on the topic of lineweight. i dont use it always (not here) but i do every now and then. would i be correct in saying that it would be good to have a 3 caliber system? as in 3 for the outline, 2 for the heavier detail and 1 for the lighter detail. this gives me a thicker outline and two levels of internal direction of form. correct?

once again thanks

>>3208456
Be critical in your use of line. If you want to experiment and put in a random line down for fun, analyze whether it actually adds to the drawing or not.

I think you should put your style to the side for a bit while you study some loomis heads. Out of all the meme instructors, he draws the most appealing faces.

Line variation isn't just about thickness btw. For a more subtle effect, just vary the opacity and softness of the linesa bit.
But yes, it would be good to have some sort of system for line weights. Three levels works great because you'll have the object outline, general outline, and details.

does this look autistic or does it have some line of intelligence in it? im curious to know what style this is.

>>3208494
>three levels
ok thanks i'll try it
>loomis
i quite consistently practice loomis heads >>3207709 should i practice them more often?
>style
i dont intend to stylise for now, if it looks stylised then its unintentional.

>>3208517

>>3207323

>>3208090
I believe in you Anon

>>3207433
I really like the colors, are u planning to do comics or something like that ?

>>3208688
>>3208738
Thanks guys!

Lately I've just been doing Inktober/Dinovember drawings every night. I'd like to make some comics eventually but it'd probably take quite a while. I'm an engineering student and sadly I only get about an hour or two to draw on any given day.

Took a pencil drawing my niece made and used it as reference, I-m very new so figuring out how to make the sand and the dunes actually took me some time

>>3207323
How do you guys draw: at the desk or at the easel?

>>3208795
on a computer?

>>3208795
If traditional?
Depends on size and medium used.
If I use pen or ink brush I usually prefer to draw at a tilted table. Drawing on a flat surface makes my back want to sudoku.
If I work larger than my table allows (>a2) and especially when using pencil or coal, I like to mount it on a wall. I rarely draw using an easel since I think they take up too much physical space.

>>3208809
Nice use of contrasts, shapes and colour.
But jesus christ that looks like the subject a 15 year old girl wearing a MCR tee would draw.

Are those lens flares too much?

>>3208823
looks pretty good to me, maybe add a little more light to the red zones

>>3208816
thanks...and yea, not the first time i heard that about my stuff.

>>3208799
in general

Crits?

Random.

>>3208854
Woops, wrong file. I need to know if this looks good or not lads

>>3208900

>>3208561
Yeah, do more loomis heads. Like actually copy some of his plates.
I think your observational skills need some work as well.

finished this

>>3208596
Nice work on colors and edges, but the head doesn't quite fit with the rest. Assuming you have the basic theory on portraits down, try doing a caricature before every painting. It helps.

>>3207868
It's a tutorial on workflow, not color theory.

>>3207961
About 1 flipped Stravinsky drawing, 30 hours of line practice+dynamic sketching and 20 hours of perspective away from getting good recognition in the /draw/ threads.
Put human anatomy away for a while, it doesn't do much beyond confusing the hell out of you.

>>3208952

I really, really hate how everything is outlined. I think this would be a million times better if you focused more on using color or values to define things instead of lines, it really holds this piece back.

I really like how the colors turned out. Crits?

>>3208986
i take care that the values and colors would stand on their own without an outline, but an absorbent ground and thinned blue outlines are important to my drawing process since the pencil barely shows up on the grey linen. I think the main problem is that I am making the outlines too thick, but I am in the process of thinning a lot of the elements of my work (something I'm surprised nobody has commented on yet), such as making eyes smaller, something that has really elevated my work beyond simple caricature because I'm not as concerned with having the likeness in the eyes, and putting the likeness in the outline and form instead.

Idk if you noticed in my previous work but I was making the eyes huge, which always made my work especially cartoonish.

s a n s

>>3208990
you need clearer edges.

>>3208990
you're over stylizing the eyes. They're over-rendered and waaaaay too big.

For the most part the only time you should ever make eyes big is when the model has freakishly large eyes, and then that is pivotal to the likeness (some people have big old bug eyes), but big eyes are usually for children. So don't be creepy and give all your attractive 20 something girls big eyes. It's degenerate and pedophilic.

Try to look at Picasso's Neoclassical art. You'll see when he used eyes of different sizes to create different aesthetics. It wasn't just all one size eye, despite what modern ideas of stylization might make you think (all eyes aren't big anime eyes, don't be ridiculous, you aren't autistic and can only draw one type of eye).

Big eyes like I said either make the face look small and they swim in the forms of the head making the entire drawing boring, or it's pedophilic anime stuff like Kronzprinz which we really don't need more of.

>>3209042
fantastic troll sir

>>3209042
also boy oh boy are the proportions on that head are nuts. You are blinded by your need to make eyes gigantic and detailed that you aren't noticing how awful the rest of the drawing is.

>>3209042
I love the fact that you went the extra mile with the paintover 8/8

So I made a drawing recently and something seems off about it lol. Criticize and all (don't hold back on the advice) I'm just trying to get better y'feel

>>3209056
is this thing a baby with a beard? see >>3209042

>>3209058
lmao that's a good point ty. So basically you're saying redo the eyes to make them less degen

>>3207355
This just strikes me as... very stiff, static and uninteresting. Bad and boring composition, character stands there awkwardly and stiffly. (besides the pose, one leg is clearly longer then the other) What's the point of this pic. What are you trying to show? Right now it doesn't really convey much.

The left image is pushed a bit further than the right, but there are some changes between the two I'm not sure I prefer (more exaggerated big toe, shadow on the head, definition of highlights) what do you guys think? Any of the elements from the version on the right I should reincorporate? Anything else I should change?

>>3207499
>>3207500
>>3207502
I like these, but as the other anons have mentioned, the focal point is a bit all over the place and everything is just a tad dark and muddy. First one is my personal favorite, tho. It just needs a bit more atmospheric perspective, some areas of light (where the sun shines though the caverns) and a bit more focus on the figure in the foreground, possibly a slight touch of rimlight to make him seem like a 3D object that catches light rather then a flat black cardboard cut-out.

>>3208027
Pretty nice values and technique, but his proportions are off. The arms and hands bother me the most.

>>3208065
Wow, this looks interesting! Keep us updated! Tho I completely agree with the other anon, you overpainted some great lighting and texture you had going on in the underpainting....

>>3208197
Dig these!

>>3209075
No, redo everything

>>3208596
Her legs seem a bit long compared to the upper body and the pose of the legs is weird and slightly contorted... But the colors and brushwork is quite appealing.

>>3207433
try using thinner lines
comp would work if you moved the tree and clouds out of the silhouette of the bird, it looks pretty cluttered right now

>>3208861
I feel her eye area is a bit out of angle compared to the rest of her face.

>>3207534
I like the look and feel of the piece one small bit of advice tho is that the way you have your piece framed it looks like his left wing should scrape against the leftmost wall. Maybe try adding folds or shading to make it look like it's interacting with the environment and not just 2D on the page

>>3209042
Jeezuzchist, anon... I hope you're a troll, cause this is the worst paint-over I've seen in a long-ass time!

I would like critique on my barbarian vs large Minotaur-like beast, it's going to be painted so it's not finished, like to get opinions so far

>>3209042
better?

>>3209144
the beast design looks pretty generic and bland, both of their stances are static and it really doesnt seem like theyre getting ready to fight one another
there's a couple of anatomy issues on the minotaur, most noticeably that his mid-section lacks mass, his horns look positioned wrong, as does his nose, his legs look very small too
composition-wise, I know it's harder to do since its traditional work but I'd suggest moving the minotaur back and making him larger (or making the barbarian smaller and moving him forward but he's not the one youll need to redraw so)

WIP. Just some characters inspired by a couple friends.

>>3209144
I get the feeling that you haven't done any thumbnail sketches and are just going with it.
As somebody else said a lower perspective would be better. Also, you need better staging. Right now the composition doesn't feel dynamic at all, the viewer doesn't buy into the threat of the minotaur and the barbarian looks as if he's a hiker reaching for a bottle of water in his backpack while admiring a scenery.

The fact that he's standing on a rock doesn't help the story: he would either trip and fall or need to backtrack to actually hit the thing as it is right now

I've attached a few shitty sketches to illustrate my point. Something as simple as moving the monster's arms and closing the fists could make the battle stance a bit more believable in my opinion.

>>3208901
I'm trying to do a redline on this, but just trying to understand the prespective or just what's going on is giving me a headache.
It makes no sense doesn't matter how i see it. I'd recomend you to get your prespective basics before doing such a difficult composition

Critique?

>>3209181
I just flipped this upside down and drew him on top

>>3209252
I understand my perspective although I kinda winged it on this one. I'm more worried about Spidey's pose than anything else so at least could you redline that

>>3208027

his hands are really small, anon.

>>3209120
Thank you that's very helpful. I definitely need to get a finer pen, I do all my inking with one right now and it's pretty thick

>>3209178
I did a rough start on doing some idea of where everything is and did some reworking the Minotaur creature, they are not suppose to be in a fight yet initially he was rounding a bend and as if he just saw him but now that's kind of lost so not sure how the story looks

painting the time after the crucifixion. figures are the virgin mary and mary magdalene. Still gonna ruminate on the colors I want to use so I'm not doing any more to it tonight

>>3208050

Go back to beg and stay there.

i thought this thread was for people who knew what they were doing

>>3209353
I no moar then you gaybou

>>3209181
Are you done with that redline dude? I really wanna see what you're talking about.

>>3207323

>>3209382
>what did he mean by this

Yahoo bing bing ~

>>3209384
not sure what you're implying

>>3209385

>>3208570
how did u think this was better

>>3207323

Character for a friend's sci-fi tabletop thing. Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong so I can do better next time, eh? Slowly but surely tryna git gud.

>>3207394
tried to fix the draping a tad, just a tad

>>3209096
was going more for a design for a written character, my main thing was designing the clothes desu but i ran away with the background because i wanted to visualize it a bit more. anyway the pose is fundamentally fucked so im not gonna spend any more time turd polishing, thanks!

>>3207323
Recently, I've been working on improving my handwriting. When drawing smaller objects where should my vision be focused at (i.e. should I be looking at the tip of the pencil, in the area that I plan to draw, etc...) and what should I thinking about (i.e. should I think consciously about the line that I'm currently drawing or should I just think about the figure as a whole)?

Quick sketch I really liked

>>3207323
I can't wait till I'm good enough to join the draw thread ;_;

>>3209506

Everyone is good enough to join the draw thread, friend. Give it a shot. We're all loving and supportive here.

>>3209504
Decrease the spacing on your brush? Cool sketch but thats really distracting

>>3208772
Your niece is way better at composition than you.

>>3209253
Scrap this idea. It is no good.

>>3207324
beg

>>3209522
So basically you weren't good enough to redline it.

>>3209468
The design is alright but the image as a whole doesn't read very well. There's a lot of high contrast in places that aren't very interesting or drawn with a lot of care and it's quite distracting. Good facial expression though.

>>3209460
Both the design and drawing are very nice. The intent of the picture is not clear enough though. The first thing I'm looking at is the pecs because it's centered, has high contrast and is highlighted by he blue stripe. Probably not what you were trying to show first. The face is too low contrast and not very expressive, feels like it's missing something. The pose is kinda symmetric and not too expressive either.
You clearly have the skills to make a picture with better storytelling and that would improve your work a lot. The design is nice regardless. I assume that was your primary goal anyway.

>>3208952
I don't mind the outline that much but as the other anon said you would learn a lot from painting with light and shapes. The image is way too muddy right now. It's a shame because it has a lot of qualities.

>>3209520
Well, she has been drawing longer than me, I just started, the only reason I'm changing the pic is that I want it to have a certain style, and the perspective was kind of fucked, pic related was the original-

Not sure about this. Is it too jumbled? Lacks focus? Having the head so centred is definitely a mistake but I'm not going to bother fixing that.

>>3208515
Bad. It needs some line weight and proper anatomy.

>>3209460
looks pretty good although that light in his hand doesn't seem to affect the lighting on his body at all.

This looked much better in my head...

>>3209714
no i feel it really adds depth to the image. i really love it. do you have a blog?

>>3209720
applicable

>>3209728
This is the story of my life, feelsbadman.

>>3209728
QFT.

>>3208834
Thanks! the adding light part ddint really work, made too much contrast in the area. I think its finished now

posting some of my latest shit

>>3209762

2nd

>>3209762
Shit indeed

is this lineart good enough? idk if i should do another pass before color.

>>3209460
try doing the shadows on a different layer, use the gradient effect on that layer from bottom to top, then do the other one you put, adjust opacity on both until it reads well.

>>3209768
the image is so god damn busy that it's fine

>>3209714
got a Tumblr?

>>3209768
The lines are blurry. It's kinda difficult to look at. The drawing is fun though.

>>3209768
i love this one its like a snapshot of someones brain

>>3209768
the spanish text doesn't seem right, did you use google translate or something? I'd change it to "Hay un mensaje que no puedo transmitir con palabras en ninguna parte" See in spanish we use double negative so you don't say "can't (...) anywhere" but "can't (...) nowhere", also the rest of it seems off, not the words you'd use to say that

I really like the lineart though, although I suspect when you add the colours you'll need more black

>>3210010
>Hay un mensaje que no puedo transmitir con palabras en ninguna parte
you just made yourself look a complete dumbass

>>3209764
I see the seeds of a really interesting style here. I have no advice other than to keep at it

I really don't know wich one looks better.
This

>>3210044
or this

>>3210044
>>3210048
the characters weight is asymmetrical so the framing feels awkward

Every FUCKING time I zoom in theres something wrong

>>3210056
Just move on to the next one, man

>>3209627
Kind of irritated you got me to waste time doing this. But look, spidey is following the perspective lines of the buildings, the opposite way. So If he is flipped it makes a little more sense. But at the angle you have him it looks like he is sitting. But It looks like you tried to put him in a crouching pose.

>>3210063
Based on what you've shown, this is how I would redline it very quickly. Basically an entirely new pose. youve chosen a perspective +pose that is extremely hard to draw without photo reference. I recommend that you pose a friend and take reference shots, I don't see how a beginner could create that from their mind.

>>3210065
its not hard. youre just shit, and your redline proves it.

From what I've gathered from the comments I'm gonna re do the lines with a smaller size and clear some of the cluster fuck in some areas.

>>3210010
El español es mi idioma natal, pero es posible haya formulado mal la oración, lo que quise decir es "Hay un mensaje (en este dibujo) que no puedo comunicar en palabras en algún lado (de este dibujo)".
Supongo que algo mas correcto seria "En algún lado (de este dibujo ) hay un mensaje que no puedo comunicar en palabras".

>>3210068
hes right tho

thoughts?

>>3209720
Hey bud.

So I put the dragon on a new layer, desaturated the background.
That was your first issue, the BG was more saturated than the creature, Also the background has the most contrast (the skyline, windows, and moon) Contrast and saturation draw the eye.

So I saturated your dragon on the new layer and painted over the buildings on the old layer.

Then I put a multiply layer over the dragon to give him a shadow. because the moon is behind him, the side facing us would be the shadow side.

Then I gave him rim lighting to properly light him and give the highest points of contrast. Then I erased some of the multiply layer to show some of the detail on his body, maybe the city lights are lighting him up.

Then I changed the colors with color balance of both the creature and the background to be a complimentary color scheme

>>3210085
looks worse.

>>3210056
You should try zooming in less and zooming out more. If you get the feeling there's something overwhelmingly wrong with your pic, its more likely to be an issue with value, proportion or messiness rather than subtle details or colour shifts. If you get in a bind, try moving shapes around, and flatten your values in to planes until it makes sense

>>3210068
>spend 5 minutes trying to help random kid on 4chan.
>Get called shit.
lets see your redline then, bud. Like I said, I would photograph a reference. But this is an uninteresting composition in the first place with a meme pose and a meme perspective. Thats why I said its bad, dont do it.

>>3210086
>>3210085
Just implementing basic principles. If you can't see past the rough paint over to learn what is being shown thats not my problem.

>>3210063
Something like this?

>>3210097
>>3210086
Pearls before swine, I swear

>>3210086
>>3210068
ngmi

>>3210098
I think that pose is a lot better, but look, youve got it upside down. If you flip the canvas is becomes very clear, so I just took your spidey and flipped him as well,vnow it makes a bit more sense

>>3210104
Ah, I see. Thanks, this was driving me insane. I really appreciate you guys for actually taking the time to redline this, there's no way I would've understood otherwise. I didn't expect this to become so complicated

>>3210106
Yeah dude, when I'm doubt, flip your canvas vertically and horizontally. The issues will stand out better. And make sure your buildings all follow the same 3rd point perspective. There's some in the background that look as if they are falling over. Also see if you can draw spideys pelvis/ crotch in there. It looks like he is a chest with legs, or he's sticking his ass out, which isn't a very spidey-like pose.

I did a brown underpainting test to see what's going on I'm still working things out, this is usually the part I decide if it's worth finishing, I still am not feeling it and not sure what to fix

>>3210088
Holy shit, thank you for taking the time to repaint.

I think youre right, ill keep this in mind

Just started with this, I did lineart first by tracing a reference (hid both layers to take the screenshot) and then started drawing with a chalk brush (using CSP and an Intuos). I know I should have finished "blocking" wwwith the chalk brush before blending but I really needed to get a feel of the colors and see if I could actually get the shape right before going forward

>>3210201
oops my bad posted the wrong image

>>3210026

thanks my man.

I did drawings with more refined lines (pic related) but it gets boring rather quickly.

I try to give it more rawness.

>>3209766

does pic related suit your taste more, friendo?

>>3210203
My biggest piece of advice is do not draw on a black background. 50% grey background is your best bet, that way you can see the values more accurately

>>3210210
I'll try changing the background layer then, thanks for the tip

>>3209719
>>3209771
Ah, yes. Lighting. My old enemy. Didn't even think about light cast from the orb because I'm an idjit. Thanks kindly.

>>3209646
And definitely thanks for this, that's very useful to hear. I'm on a character design kick right now, so that's exactly the type of stuff I'm trying to learn. Lighting/contrast, drawing focus to the right areas, and being more dynamic. Good stuff.

Sorry for posting furry crap here but you guys seem to know what you're doing.

I'm trying to learn painting, but I can't help but feel that something is off in this one. I know my values are wrong, but in what ways? I tried patching it up by lightening up areas that are directly illuminated but now it looks cheap.

>>3210251
Quick paint over to establish stronger value layering. dark on light etc. Take it for what it is. Also adjusted perspective on legs with distort and gave the boi a drop shadow. Also darkened eyes and mouth so that they draw focus, and cropped top of composition because I personally felt it was dead space

>>3210279
Aw snap dude, I can't thank you enough for this. I can definitely see where the errors lie now, and I'll try to learn from this as much as I can.

>>3210299
no problem dude. Just always think about your value relationships. if you want it to stand out, value contrast. if you want it to fall back, similar values. And theres no shame in drawing in greyscale to improve with your values, you can always add color with an overlay layer after the values are established

>>3209173
WIP
I just rememberd that I have to learn how to render, so I'm trying to give it a kind of realistic render. Maybe it's a bit uncanny with that drawing, but it's for the sake of practice.
Critique on the rendering very appreciated of course

>>3209173
>>3210324
your friends look like hipster faggots and I want to punch them in their faces
captcha: toilet entrance

is this correct?

>>3210320
Yeah, guess I got a little excited playing around with colors. I'll start looking into grayscale studies in the meantime.

>>3210085
Op here thank you for the critique, I will go over it later with your points in mind.
It certainly looks much better with the lighting and background changes.

>>3210251
this is why i don't post my work no /ic anymore. I cannot be associated with scum like this.

>>3210405
see you tomorrow

>>3210331
Yes. I'm on art school and this place is filled.

So, this sucks, but I'm not sure why. Slightly updated from last draw thread.

Rate my orc? How are my tones, specifically?

>>3210534
Better than Jazza/10

I think you need to clean up some of the splotches and ease them into cleaner gradations but it's pretty good in my opinion.

Started playing Transistor and I'm loving the art style, but I can't get the likeness right in terms of facial features. The lack of proper references is fucking me up, and I don't want to search through cutscenes for fear of spoilers.

I'm also faking the hair because it's always been a weakness, and I've been copying/flipping the legs to keep them consistent, which feels like cheating. Bad feels all around, lads: what can I do to improve this while it's still in the line stages? And yes, I realise the pose is extremely boring.

>>3210484
>Image > Adjustments > Replace color

Just played with the saturation and pushed your darks and lights to give more contrast.

I'm not sure if this is what you were going for, but maybe it will give you a jumping off point.

I imagined that the kitty would be shining a VERY bright light.

I like this drawing but the fingers are really out of proportion. Any advice on how to fix it?

>>3210562
sorry for multiple posts.

Anon I thought you deserved a better crack at this.

Again, Just my 2 cents

>>3210580
use yo hand for reference

>>3210580
redlined that for you

>>3207433
I'd like to see you do more complicated compositions with characters and stuff. These simple pictures are quaint and I don't feel like they're pushing you.

Idk if i should keep trying or not.

>>3209102
>>3208050
>>3207504
>>3207547
Thanks for the critique, guys.
Here's the WIP piece finished.

>>3210332
something like this, notice the line of the scapula

>>3210583
U rite, u rite, u rite. My value range is always too narrow, and people have been telling me to push my darks for waaaaaay too long. Appreciate the paintover, anon! This gives me a good idea of where to go.

Am I out of /beg/ yet?

>>3210852
No

>>3210854
Fuck, I didn't see that text when I lazily googled the image on my phone..

>>3207323
Is there anyway in CSP to adjust the blurness of the line? I can use the filter blur but the effect is a little too strong for my taste, i want to control the effect if possible.

>>3207332
>>3207505
Not OP but I'm the guy who drew the pic in the OP post. Here you go with all of my brushes.

https://mega.nz/#F!28wGmaIC!hDYOMxJV6Q_kl3Qs2j84qA

The brushes I used were from Orc tutorial brushes and G-Rutkowski brushes. They are both from the gumroad tutorials. The Rapoza Orc one and "Traditional look" in photoshop by Rutkowski and neither of those brush packs are avivable for free at least in the same form. Have fun.

(also included other brushes I have like all the Kyle T webster brushes)

My first ink drawing, any advice?

>>3210203
Starting to take shape, the eyes are fucking hard to do but I'll focus on them when the rest of the drawing is finished

>>3210918
Fucking forgot to post the image again

Fucked around with my tablet for 90 minutes

>>3210920>>3210920
Hey man, if you're serious about this - Google "planes of the head" and do paintings from that. It is what I included to the right of my paintover.

And when you use photo reference make sure it has a distinct light side and distinct dark side. Those shapes really define form. I am going to suppose that the lighting in your reference is ambient and illuminates the whole face evenly. This is a very difficult lighting situation for beginners because it gives you no clues at all as to the FORM of the head. I did a really quick paint on your drawing to show you what it would look like with some volume, created by a specific light source and a shadow side.

I hope this gives you a point of reference when looking for, .. references. As you can see your painting entirely in a small midtone value range.
>add darks
>add lights
>add darkest darks and highlights

>>3210952
wow dude thanks for the tips, I think I can make it much better now, I suspected I'd need to add more shadows and forget about the lighting of the original picture because it was just impossible to get it to actually look like a face without shadows, it does have, as you said, very flat ambient lighting (and a couple of filters)

>>3210952
>>3210969
If your practicing never draw heads from the front like that. It l;literally does nothing for you. The hard part of a head is making it work as a convincing 3d object where the features line up right and make sense in space and you don't have to think about any that when you put the features on mr potoato head style when the face is straight at you.

>>3210976
Yeah I actually have been practicing drawing with different perspectives but I wanted to make a drawing for each person in my group of friends and asked for a couple of photos from each to use as reference, so that's the reason I'm drawing it from the front, more of a one time thing than anything

>>3210982
I always insist upon taking my own reference images when I know the subject and have the chance to light them and take the photo myself.

Need your help /ic/, pic related.

I want to evoke a feeling of hope and looking forward, does the framing and composition make this work in the sketch? I was actually afraid of cutting the wings with the frame, or is it alright?

>>3211045
Sorta reminds me of this.

Anyway, It is never a good idea to have the subjects of your composition looking out of the frame, and if they are looking out of frame there should be some element to lead us back into the composition. Right now the top right corner is empty, the figures are looking to there. The birds' beak is pointing directly out of the comp. The viewer will follow their gaze and line of direction.

>>3211045
>>3211080


OK heres a visual of what I was talking about. I would mess around with abstract shapes in the background to create an effect like this. And You can have your bird looking up if you want but you really should not have areas of the composition open if the characters are looking in that direction

>>3210886
Duplicate the line layer, apply blur and adjust layer opacity. Merge down once you hit the sweet spot.

>>3210910
Thanks for sharing, I'll check it out.

>>3211045
It's pretty static, perfect for a concept design, but for an illustration, a more audacious perspective could work better.

Keep it coming, I love how simple you managed to make the silhouettes.

>>3211106
Whoops, looks like I got too excited and forgot about my own advice.
This should do it.

>>3210208
are you using refs?

My style is somewhat similar but lacks your depth and detail

>>3211124

yes this was done with a ref. Pic related.

The paper is 21 on 14 cm or something like this, so rather small.

>>3209762
>>3209764

these were done freehand.

Goddamn, you guys are so much better than the alt thread, I'm gonna visit here more often.

>>3209746
whyy does this one looks so boring??

>>3211191
I'd say not enough contrast maybe? Everything looks redish, the background is pretty much empty and there's nothing in the image that really catches the eye

Maybe if you could make the "road" more 'interesting' and add something at the end so that it leads your eyes from the front to something relevant in the background it'd be much cooler

i tried doing face plane studies
didnt work out
tried something else instead

I posted this yesterday and fixed up a few things. Anything else?

>>3211191

you think that's boring? post your art

>>3211217
I did both of them?

>>3211198
Thanks those are some good suggestions i'm going to play around with!

>>3211080
>>3211098
Ah, thanks for this. Yeah I was thinking to break up the composition in the top right with a flock of birds maybe but right now it wouldn't have worked out.

>>3211106
>>3211111
Fucking love your clear linework in the sketch and I like your approach on the perspective. Didn't think it would work out that way so I didn't bother trying. I will give it a few more sketches I guess and may return

>>3211191

this is really cool

painted this guy

>>3211191
cause you used 3d.

cause there is no message to the viewer

wtf is so cool about a bunch of cubes? can't get anymore creative than that..

these are legitimate answers to your question

>>3211191
default textures brush? or did you download it from deviantaart?

fucking lazy and shit.

>>3211348
trash. so now you're painting yourself 50 years from now? doing the same thing, browsing 4chan posting your shit paintings, trying to be some fucking god among fine art. pathetic.

>>3211374
ok

>>3211376

You literally and figuratively have nothing else to say. Fucking parasite.

>>3211385
>You literally and figuratively have nothing else to say
thats why i paint ;)

more of a study on hard brush technique than values. need to improve that shit

>>3211398
Go in with a small round brush with 100% hardness and add your blackest blacks and your lightest whites. that will really push this piece. Show the deep folds and the shiny highlight on the eyes and maybe the skin

>>3211348
anon, seems like you are working every day. Keep it up. I like your shapes

Something doesnt feel right, can anyone give a pointer?

>>3211406
im trying to decide what to commit my style to, this one was something of a transitional piece, hopefully. I still think I need to become less concerned with likenesses and make my artwork more arbitrary

>>3211402
gave it a shot, hard to find many spots of detail with high darks/lights from the ref

>>3211411
The shading on her right leg makes it seem as if she has both her knees bent, unbalancing her pose, which is also quite undynamic

>>3211429
Alright, thanks. Any suggestions for a more dynamic variant?

>>3211440
Well, it depends on your intention. Were you going for a concept piece or an illustration? In the former, a dynamic pose is secondary to showing off the design of the character so this one would do, while in the later I would make the character do something more interesting with those test tubes(?). As it is right now I have no idea what those things are used for. The lack of a background, which I assume is temporary, is also a bit bothersome, especially since the white messes up the value scheme of the image as a whole.
Could you tell us a bit more about what's supposed to be going on?

>>3211450
The idea is a team of OC star wars rpg characters, the one posted is a force using miraluka using Telekinesis to float sabers around.

>>3211425
Here's an example of how to take a painting further, just with details.
You said you are trying to improve using a hard brush, and adding details is a great time to use 100% opacity hard brush. The only pressure sensitive modifier I had active was size.

Because you had such a strong foundation of rendering on the piece, all I had to do was add arbitrary hard details. And just in a couple minutes he hippo looked more realistic. I know your reference cant lead you and further, but based on what you have you can make a lot of details up.

I think your rendering on this was great, and you are ready for the detail stage

>>3210671
You're very right, I'm too comfortable just doing tiny drawings of just a character/animal/object with the barest indication of any kind of background or scenery. I really need to work on that.

In my defense, my excuse for the last two months is I've been doing inktober/dinovember drawings every night and I only have about 2 hours max to work on them before I fall asleep. But once this month is over I'll make a note to work on more complex compositions.

Anyway, sorry for the blog post. Here's what I made today and yesterday, tried to make something a little more ambitious although idk how it turned out.

>>3211476
I didn't use 100% opacity but I tried to do some small details on this one, getting kind of tired though.
>he stretch

>>3211476

Please stop giving advice dude, that's a terrible paintover. You added noodly detail that actually flattened the impression of form rather than enhancing it. Please lay off giving advice for awhile before you improve.

>>3211425

you need to try and think more about shapes. heres a paint over i did. i find visual presentation is the greatest for helping others improve.

>>3210069

2nd pass

>>3211191
remove the minecraft steve statues

>>3209154
you fixed her face and eyes, but now the neck is too long

Did a drawing of that character no one likes.

>>3211934
Ehtá tó wapo chaval!!

>>3211800
wow youre so funny heres your (you)

>>3211934
This was inspired by you, but now that I see it side by side I'm ashamed of myself. Anway, eres miguel? In case you're not, blog?

>just turned off windows ink
i've been painting with that much lag ALL this FUCKING TIME?

>>3212259
When I turn off Ink I lose pressure sensitivity. Nani the fuck

>>3212333
Yeah same, but I googled and someone had a super easy fix for that.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2134092

this came about really fast as a subsurface scattering exercise, and i'm trying not to flup up the rendering because he is too cute

>>3212348
i love him, i wish i could give birth to something as cute as that

>>3212348
Is that is belly or the egg? I can't tell because it's so muddy.

>>3212365
learn what muddy means. this picture is not that, and you're embarrassing yourself with /ic/ keywords to sound like you know what you're talking about

the edge is somewhat unclear, but you could easily like, draw a line and remedy that. I like the idea of both belly/egg as a concept, so misinterpreting it isn't even that bad honestly

>>3212365
>>3212373
I was going to add ambient occlusion edges to define the grape and other areas, i'm having a small break right now though

>>3212378
stop using terms you dont know what they mean

>>3210686
This is pretty cool but from the thumbnail the proportions look way off

>>3212394
Ambient occlusion = areas that occlude ambient light because close surfaces are blocking it? Is that not right? Does it not apply to the edge of the grape touching the dragon?

>>3212411
I think the other guy's having a bad day

yes, you are right that you should put an occlusion shadow to separate the grape from the dragon.
I hope you plan on adding a stem to the grape to make it look more grapey.

>>3212373
i posted this
>>3212378
i didn't post this. stop parroting and making me look nitpicky you fuck
i want to make people feel good about their shit
they were using the word in the right context

>>3212443
whoops i mean
>>3212394
fuck this guy, not the artist of the dragon

Clouds came out much too flat but I like the rest

>>3212470
add more texture to the clouds AND the beach. add more clouds too, there's too much negative space in the air

>>3211385
because you said nothing of value

>>3212470
Yeah move the clouds, the creature really needs some space to breathe. Looks cool otherwise.

>>3212348
Love it. I think I've seen some of your paintings posted here before. You tend to overlook the background as an element of composition and the center of interest isn't in focus as much as it needs to be. It's a shame because you have such a good eye for rendering overall.

I know I suck but any and all help is appreciated

Some design sketches for a game project of mine you play as the spooky "sexy" grill

>>3212560
And a warm up just to get me loose before gettin stuff right.

>>3212560
Just wanna say that it sounds like a really cool concept. Sketches look great too.

>>3212514
Thanks, i'll try more in the future on the background, rather than the boring gradient.

Right now I'm not liking how this texturing is going on the dragon, too smooth, I mostly like the grape.

>>3212575
Yeah it works better as an image now. The background doesn't need to have a lot of detail anyway, it complements well with the green hues of the creature and you put more attention and contrast on the left side. It gives a place for the eye to rest. A few occlusion shadows under the feet and fruit to suggest a ground plane would help as well. I agree about the texture being too similar between the two. Some colder reflections on the wet surface of the fruit might do the trick.

>>3212560
I dig it. it gives me some Silent Hill vibes. Although it sounds difficult to make a good game protagonist you can't really relate to.

>>3212615
It's more just a test for another future project, I wanna do a giant monster game were you wreck shit for fun in 1930's Japan, though I'm taking small steps before taking leaps.

>>3212630
Don't think those desings would work very well for a cheesy kaiju game, they fit more of a Silent Hill vibe like that other guy said

>>3212575
I'd suggest making the hue/translucency/texture different on the monster, maybe a soft fur or smth.
I understand it finds its shelter on grapes, but in this pic it took me a while it's not his inflated belly. Uncanny stuff, I tell ya.

guys?

>>3212710
I kinda like the design. The biggest flaw is see is the overexposure. To many areas are almost white when you should have kept it for the lightsources only.
Drawing wise it's not perfectly symmetrical. You can make a flat design, duplicate it in symmetry and use photoshop's perspective tool. That way you gain some time and the result is more accurate.
The design is neat. There might be a bit too much space under the drawers, I'm not sure if those kind of proportions are used IRL.

>>3212715
thanks for tips. I sometimes do it flat and then extend the lines in perspective. But this time i didnt. Proportions are most likely not used irl as i pulled it from my ass.

>>3212498
>>3212514
Thanks for the crit guys, I will take note for next time

>>3212652
They're not for the kaiju game, it's just a practice for custom skeleton animation and modelling along with some unreal scripting. Though you are correct partly as they are for a silent hill sorta thing, but you play as the spooky grill and eat people/scare them/drive them mad, as it's something I want to implement. Imagine a script to where if an npc caught sight of you they'd do a certain action like kill their buddy or go on a suicidal rampage basically madness script. From my research this is quite doable within a month or two, following tutorial and watchign unreal workshops.

New to /ic . Here's a portrait sketch

>>3211425
That actually improved it greatly, reads a lot clearer now!

>>3212710
you have some good ideas here you just need to be aware of shape size, usually you want things in three's, with a variance of size. think large medium small for everything. also you have cool candles, use them for your light logic primarily and use a small secondary light source for volume. I felt the feet took away from the interesting part of the image which is the top, and don't get lazy with the fun details like handles or wood texture, that's the best part about prop design. I liked your design, especially the places where you stuff the scrolls.

>>3212575
This is very cool but consider adding some red hues

tried to mentally combine the features of a fox and a large cat. might paint

>>3212943
Hey, didn't see your post. I actually finished up with it today and did add some redder hue, based on suggestions here. Also made a slightly better background that i'm happier with.

did a portrait

>>3212915
omg youre so much better then me. thank you. I want to be a concept artist and tips like that realy helps.

>>3212915
It looks so cool

one of the recent shits I made

for the animated version:
https://imgur.com/a/gFG3X

>>3213051
How did you learn to do lighting on fur/feathers like that?

discovering therese larsson's art yesterday has really put a fire under my butt.

NEW THREAD

>>3213373
I know it's not really better. but i just wanted try to play with brushes to see if it could look a little bit more natural

hows this
ref https://sketchfab.com/models/80613cfe8a8a4affab36b3744ff53976

>>3213457
you lazy fuck, why don't you do it?

>>3213614
>>3213614
>>3213614
New thread

>>3213583
Ugh my dude, I really do love that. I've been so indecisive with which brushes and brush technique to use lately. I even downloaded the Kyle brushes but don't know which ones to use. I love that yours has more edge variation and texture.

>>3207499
>>3207500
reminds me of some kind of organic BLAME. very nice

I just started doing art a couple of months ago for the first time, I know it's shit but hey I'm tryin'

I'm playing with some new brushes, y actually never paint (or draw -_-)

>>3213051
looks great, but pretty cliche subject matter