/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

This shit literally does not matter at this point. I remember when I was 14 stuff like this would've been interesting but I think it's important that everybody, regardless of age, knows that it absolutely does not matter. Hell, even if the creators of a show gave me shit for drawing their character I would not care unless I was threatened with legal action or they were slandering me.

>>3191894
NANII?!
IS THIS AN ART BATTLE?!

>>3191896
Battle of the Ryans

>>3191894
Ryan is right you know.

>>3191894
Fan art is shit. But who cares?

>at least make it good
The drawing itself is fine, this guy is uber butthurt

>>3191894
Someone mad that someone else is drawing fan art?

Seriously? That's pretty pathetic

cory loftis in the comments tho

>>3191909
I have nothing against fanart but he sounded like a fag. "I'd consider pulling this post down" Who he thinks he is?

>>3191894
I don't get the banter in the second image. It's supposed to be Ryan Lang who is invisible and people only see the fanart he does? That doesn't make any sense though, Ryan Lang is a concept artist at Disney. He doesn't make a living off of fanart.

>>3191915
He's asshurt that Ryan Chingchong has more internet cred than him (possibly) because he posts fanart, while he himself is a nobody even though they both work at fucking Disney

>>3191919
Ryan's a white dude.

>>3191919
>even though they both work at fucking Disney

Well that's just fucking stupid, starting beef with one of your co-workers over fanart. Especially considering all your other co-workers draw fanart too and will obviously side with Ryan Lang over this.

>>3191919
Also Ryan blew up when Wreck It Ralph came out and Ryan Lang's paintings we're released. His fan art helped but people still credit him more for the work he did on Wreck It Ralph, Big Hero 6 and Moana then stuff like his Gargoyles fanart.

>>3191922
A lot of Disney artists draw fan art because if you sign up with Disney they will own any IP's you develop while your at the company. Doing fan art is just a safe way to continue to branch out.

Which Ryan Green should know about since he works there??

>>3191894
Ryan Lang is a cool dude, I've spoken to him a couple of times, he was always up to look at my portfolio, even though that must have been a hassle with all the other artists that wanted to show theirs too.

Very down to earth guy, and he's right, nothing wrong with fan art. His fan art of Marvel stuff got him a job drawing for Marvel movies so. Knows his shit.

My only qualms with fan art is when an artist does it so much they have to point out when they are doing original characters, then their fan art fixation is verging on crack addiction. I have no idea what the point either of these fags is trying to make though.

Is this the reason #fanartgotmepaid is trending in the online art community?

Kinda stupid when you realize it all started from a professional working at Disney. I can understand both sides desu

>>3191939
Yeah it's just everyone subtweeting Ryan Green.

>>3191894
>getting this upset when some one makes fun of your shitty capeshit fanart
based Ryan bringing the bants

>>3191905

it's really shit tho

>>3191919

Exactly. Instead of being a lesser human, he should spend his time more productively.

>>3191953
You must be pretty autistic to antagonize literally all your co-workers just to take a piss on fucking fanart of all things.

Isn't all art technically fanart though? I mean we're all drawing from life, taking knowledge from our experiences with depth, value and colour theories. These are not things we're born with, but things we acquire through visual study, be it unconscious or deliberate. Hell, you look at the old masters work it's all scenes from the Bible and shit, literal Bible fanart.

TL;DR - Ryan Green is a half-baked salty, jealous fag and his "art" hurts to look at.

Imagine if people got this butthurt over people singing a song they didn't make up themselves.

>>3191982
Yeah, exactly. Of course, it's important to do original stuff, to broaden your imagination, but fanart is as good as any art.

>>3191903
underrated

>>3191927
I still dont get how that works.
>things you develope in your own time at home
>Disney owns it

if green is saying people only like you as much as they do because of fanart then he's right. i like some art that's bad but it has a character i like making me like it alot more.

>>3191991
Capitalism.

>>3191894
there is literally nothing wrong with fan art

>>3192035
Who are you quoting

>>3192035
i don't think that was the point he was trying to make.

>>3192015
That clearly doesn't apply to Ryan Lang though. He usually does the Dave Rapoza thing where he takes IPs that are long past their peak popularity and makes them look cool again.

>>3192037
myself.

i just lurked mr ryan green's tumblr art page and i can't say im all that impressed, its all half baked character designs derivative of disney and a million of other american cartoonists that came before him. based off the drawings i've seen im not completely convinced he knows how to draw a background, this guy is a one trick pony and the epitome of a gesture fag

>>3192044
i don't think he was specifically talking about him just artist in general.

original character, pls don't steal

>>3192049
lmao Disney hired this guy? What is he, as apprentice storyboard artist? Fuck I'm still old enough to remember when working for Disney was like, a BIG thing, but if this is the quality of the artists they hire today....

>>3192052
OH GOD HE IS JUST A BASIC STORYBOARD ARTIST, AND NOT EVEN A GOOD ONE

O I AM LAFFIN

>>3192054
Literallly the doodles I make at my biophysics class

>>3192054
Show me some good storyboards then you knuckle dragging neanderthal

>>3191894
You're only ever supposed to draw your own ideas? Doesn't that mean you can't do studies?

>>3192052
>>3192054
You guys are trolls, right? You don't honestly think these things, right?

>>3192054
>>3192058
>>3192052
Now I don't agree with his opinion either but you are either being contrarian here or dunning krugers.

>>3192049
>>3192052
>>3192054
pls no buli

>>3192054
>>3192052
>>3192058
It's posts like this that make me wonder why I still come to this trash board. Jesus christ.

dunning krugers thinking they're any better lmao.

>>3192065
Here you go.

>>3192103
those aren't storyboards those are character design sketches. What kind of idiot are you that you don't even know what a storyboard is?

>>3192080
>"YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD AT SOMETHING IN ORDER TO CRITICISE SOMETHING WITHIN THE SAME MEDIUM"

So you're not allowed to critique bad food unless you're a chef, right?

>>3192117
No they're not, they're selected stills from the storyboards of The Black Cauldron, but okay, if you want good storyboarding just Google Glen Keane's work.

>>3192103
These are model sheets anon. They're created so the whole animation team is on board as to what the look of a character is. Storyboards are generally much cruder and they're needed to be as they change frequently with each story revision and updates. While Keane is amazing, the department would have probably brought him for bigger story moments. The individual story beats though would look more like what I've attached. I don't agree with what Ryan has said, but I think his storyboards are good. They are expressive and get the point across quickly, exactly what's needed in the storyboard environment.

>>3192103
The storyboards for The black cauldron looked more like this.

>Ryan Lang vs a literally who
I think we all know who wins this one. He should listen to Cory Loftis before he gets butt blasted into anal annihilation.

>>3192123
You're a fucking retard.

Here's a storyboard page from one of the best storyboard artists in Japan. Know what you're talking about before you talk shit like a fool.

Wow it's like the filthy liberals of art.

>>3192103
Not being storyboards aside, these are terrible models seeing as whoever made this has no understanding of how contrast works so everything is a dark blob. Any post-Walt Disney art is garbage really.

>>3192145
>hiroyuki imaishi
>one of the best

Fufufu.

>>3192054
I didn’t realize Ryan Green and Ryan Lang worked on the SAME movie. Why is Ryan Green shitting on people he eats next too?

>>3192192

>>3191991
its the same with SNL and comedy central. Any story, bit, and/or character you create will be owned by them. Its the trade off for the possibility of becoming the next great star or writer.

>>3192197
he is just jelly cause Lang is the superior Ryan

>>3192215
cant you just lie as say you did after you left them or before you joined them?

Ryan Lang is right

these threads are reportable btw

>>3192123
The point is storyboards aren't meant to be pretty and there is nothing wrong with the storyboards from that artist in the first place. Here are more storyboards from Glen Keane, which I assume must also look like what you doodle in your biophysics class.

>>3191906
I dont get it either...
That cant be the reason...
right?

>>3192311
Yeah. It is. He views fanart pretty much as piracy.

>>3192311
Yeah it is. He views it as piracy pretty much.

>>3192316
funny thing about this, is that his logic is flawed, "making fan art is a waste to make something original"?
when is fan art and when is original?
He will hate on everybody to making his own stuff, but later say "okay you are fine" if the thing hits public domain?

Granted, we live in a era where public domain will not exist ever again because companies will hug their stuff for centuries with no end, even if they know its garbage and will never use it again...

>>3192316
It's not technically or legally stealing, though. You've got to cross some major legal lines for fan art to enter the realm of theft.

>>3192215
That is a shit tradeoff at least to me. But I understand why people would agree and take the chance.

>>3191894
>Fanart controversy going on is starting to get wild.
Calm down, some retatard throwing a fit on his instagram is not a controversy.

>>3192326
It's Ryan Lang and Ryan Green. Big players.

>>3192316
>Plus, its technically stealing.

No it fucking isn't, theft implies something is lost. Even copyright infringement isn't theft.

>>3192247
>which I assume must also look like what you doodle in your biophysics class
Not me, genius.

>>3192324
So we all know selling fan art could get you sued, but drawing fan art to increase your presence/popularity? Isn't that potentially monetary gain using characters you don't own?
There are those parody laws and stuff, but how easy would it be for a company to slam down on you for simply drawing fan art and posting it to social media?

>>3192316
>it's stealing
Oh god it's one of those idiots.

>>3192329
It’s a lot of big players once you start going through the comments.

>>3191894
>t. the drawing

HAHAHAH SAVAGE

>>3191911
a coworker (loftis was one of the lead character designers on zootopia) who's worried one of his coworkers is passive aggressively attacking another coworker publically, aka like almost the very definition of unprofessional. dude's risking tanking his professional reputation cause he can't handle some dude who thinks fanart is good without publically shitting the bed.

when i first saw that second post there were a ton of others who also work at disney basically commenting "hey, if this is directed at someone we work with that's not okay" in the comments, but most of them deleted probably to avoid ending up as screenshots in the next cartoonbrew post

Let's put it really simple... Creating fanart is okay as long as : 1) you don't make money with it on the creator's back. (imagine yourself as the original creator. Would you like it?)
2) you don't claim it as your own thing and pay credit. (same thing : no one likes getting their art stolen. You might say that you don't care, but you still don't like it,even if you might think it's flattering at first)
3) you don't do 1:1 copies of the source material. (art theft once again)
4) you do fanart that doesn't the original brand too much (hello shadman).
5) you don't get entirely consumed by it and are still able to come up with Your Own ideas.
(you're an artist, you're supposed to be a creative person, right?)

It's THAT simple...

>>3191903
kek

>>3192443
>Here MY RULES!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dōjinshi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comiket

Sorry bud... but progressive part of humanity think that coexisting is... better choice. Fanartists gives free exposure for any projects

>>3192341
Who?

>>3191894
rule 34 of both of them when?

>>3192454

>>3192316
>>3191894

Fanart is (in my opinion) boring and a lot of people just do it to become popular, but trying to shame or even make it illegal is just out of pure resentment towards the artists who get a big following from making something comparatively bland. Pure jealousy masking behind good intentions. Let them be, they are not hurting your revenue, but your ego.

>Most of these people you're calling "whiny little babies" are professionals in the industry (some coworkers of this very artist) who have the maturity and experience to call out this pretentious unprofessional nonsense for what it is. As @sydweiler and others have said, copyright when it comes to fanart is a whole other complex topic, and if that's all he were addressing (and doing so appropriately), we wouldn't be having this argument. But once the argument spiraled into demeaning artists who do fanart, treating fanart as lazy and uninspired (when his own style is ironically obviously somewhat derivative in itself...his artist influences are pretty obvious so these claims of artistic purity & superiority are absurd), and publicly mocking fellow professionals, his argument lost any weight it could've had.

>>3191894
>Fanart
i like to call it promo art
it's just another way to showcase my skills to a larger audience through an already stablished franchise

>>3192341
>>3192316
Isn't drawing from live is piracy too? Who gives artist permission to draw people without their agreement?

>>3191894
Aside from potatofarmgirl I have no idea who any of those people are.

>>3192468
same here

>I miss when she wasn't an SJW and was just a gummy-smiled fujoshi who drew some of the cutest shit a nigga had ever seen

>>3191894
I will actually send complaint to Disney about this guy
>"my 11 years old daughter likes to draw fanart of her favorite Disney characters"
>"this guy just brought her to tears"

>>3192470
She was always an advocate for feminism rights but never came off as sjw to me

I can't believe no one here with all the storyboard arguing pulled up any really extra good boards. Keane's are good, though so I guess that counts.

But what about Meobius work for Dune? (The movie that never got made by Jodorosky)

Or any storyboards by Miyazaki. This is 4chan, you'd think that'd be the first thing someone would put up.

Either way, people are right. Storyboards don't have to be incredible, they just have to get the point across.

>>3192470
I dont think she is a sjw still.

>>3192465
only if you do fanart with the intention to get more exposure

I think that's what these kind of people don't get, they can't fathom a world where a person is a genuine fan of a thing and would like to draw stuff of that thing because they think it's a cool thing.
In their mind fanart is for the sole purpose of getting more followers and likes.

>>3192472
lol

>>3192485
Can't fault them for thinking that because that is a reality and some people solely do that, fanart simply gets more attention than original works regardless if the original work is good or not.

>>3191894
>99% fanartists are self-taught
>all self-taught artists are okay about fanart

>Ryangreenart
>has two degrees
>CCAD student
>literally born with golden spoon

>>3192490
I can fault them for thinking that's the only reality.

>>3192475
>>3192482
I don't know, I'm pretty sure she's talked about "whitewashing" and "privilege" and things like that before on her facebook. I'm afraid she's lost lads. That's okay though, I still like her art and that's what matters.

>>3192499
I draw fanart because I have no creative, good imagination and design sense.

>>3192506
fanart is a good starting point for building a visual library

>>3192065

>>3192528
He probably has more like that. Fucking hypocrite loser lmao.

>>3192528
To be honest that was four years ago. Opinions are allowed to change

>>3192528
LMAO
M
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>>3192247
they are not the finished storyboards for the film. these are glen keane's thumbnail sketches for the storyboard.
satoshi kon for example devoted a huge amount of time to draw and plan out the storyboard in great detail, very close to the final film. it's unusual, but it helped him envision and control the whole film, and let's be honest, he was one of the best animators/animation directors out there.
my point is, everyone works differently, if the schedule allows it, you might wanna flesh out the storyboards as much as possible.

>>3192528
My, how the tables have turned

>>3192461
I think thats probably a good assessment of this example. All in all I agree with his comic in that the artist mostly becomes invisible and I do consider that a shame. Its all case by case though as there will be those that do the odd piece of fanart as a fan, others do it to gain notoriety through association.
I can understand advocating for more individuality, which extends passed fanart for me in that a lot of artists are very limited and rarely explore past what you associate them with, it seems stifling.
From Hansel and Gretel > Akira > Cannon Fodder, Katsuhiro Otomo has explored a range of styles and themes, likewise with Moebius drawing Blueberry and moving on to his roles on various films. Then you have H.R. Giger who has produced fantastic albeit similarly themed works for decades. Theres definite value in exploring an aesthetic so extensively, same with Eyvind Earl however when dealing with people so visually nuanced it'd also be interesting to see how they'd approach other topics.
That said Giger also tackled furniture, sets and was much more than his alien women huffing metal cocks artwork. Variety for the sake of it isn't really what im advocating for either, it'd be nice to see it discussed without petty shitflinging on twitter though.

Green would probably have a point if he actually tried to make one instead of opting for a smug strawman. I don't think anybody would object to an actual discussion about fan art's place in an age where most artists have to fight to convert internet "exposure" into something that actually pays the bills.

>>3192054
He has a job.

He wins.

>>3192123
They're not selected stills, you dumb fucking dickhead. It's a fucking character sheet.

>>3192485
they can but let's be real here 90% of fan art isn't drawn by actual fans. example 2B she receive loads of fan art but i bet most of those artist that drew her was doing it because it was the trend of the month and will probably never draw her again unless they commissioned to do so or she gets a new game.

>>3192526
>Storyboard good if realistic and detailed
>Storyboard bad if simple and stylized

God, the idiocy of some posters on this board is always staggering.

>>3192819
what a bullshit thing to say, I'd probably wager the big majority of fanart is done by actual fans.

In 2Bs case you're probably right though since Nier is a really long game and I doubt most of the artists that has done fanart has actually completed it. But to be fair she does have a fun and easy design to draw, so I don't blame them either.

>>3193030
I duno man. When I go to fan artist gallery they only one "fan art"of an ip or character. If I was decent I'd be churning out loads of fan art of a single ip not just one picture while the ip is currently trending. i mean i guess it depend what counts as being fan for example, I Like Pokemon but not enough so to call my self a fan I've only played one game and a spin off. If simply liking something on any level means your a fan then I guess I'm a fan.

is this what i think it is?

>>3192492

Wtf? A degree in art means fuck all. You have to put in the hours regardless. The people who are succesful at art schools would have been succesful self taught aswell. Kys

>>3192316
Oh god, what the fuck is this retardation?

>>3193039
Interests come and go, I was a fan of overwatch for a while and drew a lot of overwatch characters, but my interest shifted and I started drawing more personal art.
I can't speak for everyone, but in my case I got an actual urge to draw these characters and I had fun doing it, but eventually my interests shifted and I stopped, but that doesn't mean I'm not a fan.

I do agree that more than ever now, there is a big incentive to draw fanart, especially now that patreon is a thing, so I don't doubt that there are a bunch of people doing fanart out of obligation rather than real interest, but at the same time I can tell from experience that drawing fanart of something you have no interest in is incredibly draining and boring, I'd be really surprised if 90% of all fanart is created like that.

>>3191894
Fanart is boring as shit. I'd much rather see people coming up with something of their own or nothing at all. Good luck with getting it any exposure though: unless you have a pre-established following nobody's gonna give a fuck, regardless of quality

>>3193047
Not true at all. There are lots of artists who got popular through their original work and did very little fanart.

>>3193047
>Fanart is boring as shit.
If you're a fan then no, it's not boring at all.
>unless you have a pre-established following nobody's gonna give a fuck, regardless of quality
Bullshit.

>>3193047
if you're making art exclusively for the admiration of others, you're doing it wrong. if your OC doesn't make a splash on its own its most likely unworthy of the respect you assume it deserves. in no way is original content inherently better than fan art because art is a skill based medium, its about what you can do, not who is the most imaginative (though imagination can play an important role in who you are as an artist). stop being so fucking jealous because some fan art shitter has more favorites on deviantart than you.

>>3193062
I actually have long stopped using DA, let alone caring about faves. If some fanart whore has more exposure than me I find it irrelevant: I only care about mine

>>3192316
If you make people *pay* for fanart then it is copyright infringement

>>3193042
implying art school connections to the industry don't exist

>>3193069
So how do commissions work then?

>>3193062
>DA
No one cares about da anymore.

>>3193074
People pay you for art

>>3193081
But what if they pay for fan art.

>>3193047
What a bullshit.

>>3193083
They pay you for your work, for the act of painting. They "hire" you to paint something for them.

It's different when you're selling a finished fan art. You're selling a copyrighted character in such case.

>>3193042
Are you retarded?
>Kys
you are

>>3191894
why the fuck would anyone care

>>3193087
Why Japan has no problems with copyright bullshit while west trying hard to suck corporation cock?

>>3193083
Then it is copyright infringement since that character belongs to somebody else

>>3193087
Yep, this

>>3193091
actually they do.

fan doujinshi are actually illegal in Japan. its just that most companies embrace it, probably to boost the IP's popularity and to find fledging good artists.

The only no go for doujinshi is and still will ever be is Disney, someone actually made a doujin game that featured mickey mouse and was beheaded, promptly making Disney go after him. The result was a 6 million fine.

http://hanakovn.web.fc2.com the website of the doujin creator

>>3193098
>fan doujinshi are actually illegal in Japan
Come on it was obvious.

>>3191894
Good goy good

>>3193098
>a 6 million fine.
based disney

>>3193078
Except for, you know, Sakimichan, Kron, Zeronis and all those other super popular fanartists in question. Maybe the reason why you aren't popular is not so much a lack of fanart but because you suck at marketing.

>>3193122
>Except for, you know, Sakimichan, Kron, Zeronis and all those other
>super popular fanartists in question
Lmao world not revolves around DA. Kron doesn't draw fanart for years. Zeronis is literally who. DA is old and busted. No one cares about DA except little kids. Hell even DA "top" is same for decade

>>3193131
I just told you that almost all of the popular fanartists are still posting on DA and all you can say is "nuh uh world not revolve around DA. DA bad!"

Of course the world does not revolve around DA, they all use social media as well, but DA is still where a huge chunk of their viewers and patrons come from you dimwit.

>>3193139
>huge chunk of their viewers and patrons come from you dimwit.
No. If it's true, why DA top is same for decade?

>>3193122
>Sakimichan
>Kron
Linking two very well documented plagiarists and tracers isn't exactly helping your cause here bud.

>>3193122
I say no one cares about it because every time I go there to check up on artist, there latest art work isn't on there but for some reason it's always on Twitter long before it reaches da

>>3193139
>almost all of the popular fanartists are still posting on DA
post 20 popular fanartists

>>3191894
That is one autistic argument but the guy on the left can't draw worth shit so I'm gonna have to side with the better artist.

>>3193141
>DA top is same for decade
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>3193146
I dunno, I don't follow many fanartists. Sakimi, Kron, Artgerm, Wlop, Nebezial, Kawacy, Guweiz... all I'm saying there are a whole bunch of very successful Patreon / fanartists who still post on DA. Why is that such a controversial statement?

>>3193143
I don't have a cause, you mongoloid, I was just stating a fact.

>>3193154
>What the fuck does that even mean?
That most popular artists on Da have been the same for a decade

>>3193174
Well yeah, why would most popular artists on any platform massively lose popularity unless they stop posting? Really not sure what your retarded argument is about.

>>3192035
based af Yusuke Murata.

>>3192443
the only true one on that list is 3. All the other ones are just you talking out of your ass. The second "rule" made me laugh though.
>draw a poster picture with Super Saiyan Trunks, Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, maybe Piccolo, etc
>"HEY THIS IS DRAGON BALL Z ARTWORK I DIDN'T MAKE THIS SHOW I JUST MADE THIS PICTURE ABOUT THIS SHOW IT'S FAN ART DON'T WORRY I DON'T TAKE CREDIT!"
Leave this thread for good.

I'm a fan of the real world. I draw real stuff because I'm a strong man. I guess I'm really strong fan artist who is interested in true
reality(tm) I'd beat booth Ryans in a street fight 1v2

1 strong man fanartist vs 2 Nerds fanartist

>>3193260
>Well yeah, why would most popular artists on any platform massively lose popularity unless they stop posting
Oh yeah. That's why pixiv top changing everyday?

The scariest thing about this all is that someone's going to face consequences over saying that drawing fanart is lame which is a pretty innocent statement to make

because Cory Loftis and some other big shot decided to tweet in response

AND

Meanwhile, people who vocally tweet "kill all white people" are given jobs in the industry

Social media is completely fucked

>>3191894

>>3192054
>>3192058
>they dont know

Uhhhh...........

>>3193324
talking shit on a non-intrusive thing like fanart is so stupid, I hate cunts who wants to police what people create.

>>3191894
>Artist makes the statement "remember artists, you're better than fanart"
>Some guy gets buttravaged for some reason and calls him pretentious
>Artist replies with with instead of insults
>OMG TAKE THAT DOWN
>SLANDER!
>ASSAULT! ASSAULT!
Fuck. The art. World.

>>3193343
its not policing though its just reiterating something that isnt said enough. fanart is gay

>>3193345
shaming people for drawing what they like is not policing?

>>3193343
>I hate cunts who wants to police what people create.
The guy expressed his opinion which is fair whether you agree or not, someone insulted him for it, then people got offended because he stood his ground. Now a witch hunt has probably already started because a few big names are participating

>>3193347
You know that shaming needs a target, right? He just made a statement. Shaming is what's happening to him.

>>3193349
He deserves it for being a whiny bitch, yeah people like to draw art of stuff they're fans of, no shit.

Are you gonna have an autistic fit everytime people sing karaoke and doesn't make up their own lyrics?

>>3193347
I think if you automatically equate what i said with 'shaming' and then use that to jump to 'policing,' it just shows you dont enjoy thinking.

>>3193344
Saying you're better than anything is pretty pretentious. It's implying fan art is a lower art form. You know for a fact if you let a bad apple rot, it'll get worse and infect other apples, so you must stop it before it gets any further.

ryan green did nothing wrong

>>3193349
Yeah the big take-away here (which everyone should be aware of in anno domini MMXVII) is to never voice your opinion about anything.

>>3193375
My daughter is crying >>3192472

>>3193359
>It's implying fan art is a lower art form.
Fanart exists almost exclusively for exposure so yeah.

Cory Loftis and the other Disney people should be spammed with Zootopia porn tbqh see if they change their minds

>>3191894
Who hurt this man? Seems like he has some kinda superiority complex despite having worse art skill than his co workers
>>3193383
Oh c'mon you can't really believe people draw fan art solely for exposure

>>3193383
>Old Masters draw Bible fanart
>this is lower art form now
WOAH

>>3193356
You can think that fanart is gay, but when you make that statement you're saying that everyone that draws fanart are gay and assuming those people don't want to be gay, you're trying to influence what content creators does or doesn't make.
>>3193383
You can really not fathom that people genuinely enjoys drawing art of characters they like?

>>3192936
That storyboard actually has notes for the camera moves, which is one of the most important parts.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Solomon
Nice fanart bitches

>>3193391
The statement I make and the effect it has on individuals are not related as I am certain they translate it to mean whatever they want it to mean. Basically, it's really not my problem. Seems like a personal thing.

I have no problem with fanart, fanart culture on the other hand...

>>3193403
>fanart culture
???

>>3193399
You don't make statements for no reason, you obviously didn't just think out loud.

Stop trying to hide your retarded agenda and just admit your ego gets hurt when you see fanart get attention.

>>3193403
You mean fandoms? Of course most of them are terrible, when fandoms get popular they attracts all types of degenerates

>>3193412
Like I said, people translate it to whatever they want it to mean.

Thanks for the example.

>>3192316
Ryan, nobody cares about your dumb OCs

>>3192535
Not when your opinions turn stupider.

>>3193475
>stupider
Dummber*

>>3193494
Fuck
Duumber*

>>3193494
>>3193495
Ignore these^^
Dumber*

>>3193332
this guy was not ready for the autistic backlash. Look at all those jealous shitters talking trash on an actual good artist because others are doing so. 10/10 anyone even taking the time to trash talk this guy is shit at art; the bigger names joining in are just doing it to virtue signal

Who cares? Draw what you want.

>>3193499
The man had a retarded opinion, but does he deserve to be bashed this hard by losers and potentially risk losing his job? Fucking sad.

>>3193501
/ic/ distracting themselves with self inflicted "rules" rather than actually drawing?
I've never heard of such a thing.

>>3193501
Osoi

>>3192819
I can't foresee an end to sexy ass robot for quite some time.

>>3193332
Jesus, I take back every time I've complained about /ic/ being full of bitter, snarky cunts. Twitter and instagram are worse.

>>3193505
It's pretty insane how the mob mentality pretends to go hand to hand with liberty
Complete lack of self-awareness

>>3193505
I agree, I don't like him from what I've seen so far but he's got the right to his own opinion and I don't think he should be fired for that
If he said some racist shit though then it'd be fair game for the company to fire him since it could reflect badly on them, bashing fan art is dickish but not fire worthy

>>3192192

That was storyboarded by Lesean Thomas.

>>3193499
>jealous shitters talking trash
I don't wanna jump into sides here, mostly because this is so fucking meaningless... but wasn't this the whole point of it? that fanart always gets more attention that OCs, thus people like him feel like they deserve more for being original? idk, maybe i'm taking the wrong perspective here, but i fell like there's a degree of jealousy on his original statement

>>3193324

Morality shifted to where we place heavy value in materials and ideals more than we do with people.

>>3193499
>>3193505
>>3193652
It probably wouldn't have been that bad if he didn't basically straight up shit on Ryan Lang with that 2nd caricature.

I only draw characters I want to fuck

>>3193587
You can't really blame mob mentality when you deliberately try to piss off as many people at once as you can.

>>3193706
He got a point but he made the mistake of expressing it in public while personally attacking a colleague of his, pissing the masses. Shouldave seen this coming really, there are just things that you can't say in public. Words have consequences, and he is being judged accordingly for it.

>>3193069
It's not. You can sell any and all fanart.

>>3192121
That's not what he's saying at all, though

>>3193934
Absolutely not, even making fanart is copyright infringement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBsTUjd910

>>3193921
So no opinions ever, no matter how unimportant, unless they're in line with current trends

>>3193959
Doesn't really matter in practice though because companies love fanart, it's free advertizement. That's why at comicon people have been selling fanart prints for as long as comicon has existed. But hey, you can be the first one to run up to Sakimichan's stand with hundreds of Disney princesses printed out for sale and start throwing a tantrum. Who do you think security is going to escort out, you or Sakimichan?

>>3193963
I understand but technically it's illegal so saying that you can is wrong

>>3193959
Artists don't understand copyright. Neither do juries, lawyers, or even some judges.

I used to play this hypothetical game with other artists where I'd ask what would happen if a company like Disney actually used their fan art without attribution or compensation. None of them could give a halfway decent answer. Few here could either.

>>3193970
They own the rights to the character, not the work of another human being. They'd never get away with that in court.

>>3193977
Of course they can.

What do you think a fan artist can claim, if the fan art itself is not copyright-able? And if a fan artist wants to sue Disney, he would have to reveal himself as the creator of an infringing artwork that he likely distributed illegally.

Disney has a *registered* copyright, which is necessary to sue for damages. Which fan artist actually registers their artwork?

>>3193970
What do you mean? Everyone knows if the company wants to be a dick about it, they can claim the work. Nintendo has been doing that with youtube lets plays for years.

>>3193961
>So no opinions ever
Where did they say that? He can hold whatever opinion he wants and he's absolutely free to share. The problem was with the way he presented his opinion. It only served to incite drama and was childish. He wanted people to pick a side. They did.

>>3192316
>It's stealing

>>3192535
its not tho. the 2 first are from september, second one is from 2016. He just went from fanart to copying characters and changing them a bit.

This is obviously that guy from scooby doo and russell from gorillaz

>>3194001
Is this a re purposed Navy Seals copy pasta? It reads like one

>>3193983
Yes, they can sue IF they can prove damages, but just because they own the right to the character doesn't mean they have the right to take and use the labor of another human being to benefit themselves.

If you make an item that is patented by another individual, they can sue you for infringing on a patent, but they can't come and take the item from you and sell it themselves.

>>3192316
>How to spot a sexual predator

>>3194697
Here's the thing about having registered copyright, they don't have to prove damages to sue for money.

So they can take it and use it without repercussion, because you would open yourself up to their lawsuits if you tried to claim rights over it. If you put it online, you've basically given them carte blanch to use it.

>>3191915
>>3191919
I thought the second image was implying that he was a vampire, leaching off of other people's work.

>>3194821

>they don't have to prove damages to sue for money.

They pretty much have to if they wish to get you more than just fined and your art taken off. Disney can't sue some random street artist bum for using one of their IPs in one of his works he sells. But they can get the police to fine him and tell him to stop selling that shit on the streets.

Thats the thing about intellectual property and copyright. It only really matters when actual money is somehow involved for purely practical reasons. Same reason why the police do not give a fuck if you burn a copy of some movie to your friend but do start giving a shit if you keep selling them in large quantities.

>>3194821
No, they cannot. YOU CANNOT TAKE SOMEBODY ELSE'S LABOR FOR YOURSELF. I don't understand how you're not getting this through your head. Yes, they can press charges for violation of IP, but they cannot sue you unless you were busy making money off their IP; at which point, the judge would have to decide how much you owe based off how much you reasonably made off the IP and damages done TO the IP. They would have to prove you somehow did damage to the IP to sue you for more money than you made off the IP. And in a strict case of you making money off the IP, the judge is unlikely to give the owner of the IP all the money you made because your labor is still involved - and that's not something the owner is entitled to without employment or contract.

Forcing somebody to hand over their labor for nothing is called slavery, and even today the justice system is pretty aggressive about anything remotely toeing the line to slavery.

>>3194879
You're completely missing the point of this theoretical exercise (which won't realistically happen).

I don't care that you want to define it as labor, it's irrelevant. It's duplicating a work, which is the purview of copyright. The same thing that gives an artist exclusive right to duplicate a work also covers the right to make derivative works. Fan art falls under this category.

If a fan artist sues, the most they can win is an injunction. If the copyright holding company sues, it's going to be for money, and they'd win. If you want to sue them to get them to stop using fan art, only to open yourself up to losing thousands, even millions in fines, you're an idiot.

>>3194837

No they don't. Registered copyright gives you the ability to sue for punitive damages, which is not linked to provable damages. They only need to prove that the work in infringing.

>>3194902
They have no rights to use your fanart for commercial purposes.

>>3194902
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

>>3195078
They have every right to, because you can't have a valid copyright on something that infringes on another copyrighted work. Posting such artwork online means it's no longer private, so you can't claim physical theft.

There is no realistic recourse in which you would gain more than you'd lose, and that margin is huge.

>>3195084
The vast majority of fan art does not qualify for fair use because they do not make significant academic contribution, nor do they make any meaningful critique of the original. They fall under derivative artwork.

>>3195089
>>3195087
>They fall under derivative artwork.
This will decided by judge, not by you. And don't forget this is only US law

>>3191894
is the fight over?
WHO WON?!
YOU DECIDE

>>3195107
>This will decided by judge, not by you.
What point are you trying to make? Are you a judge?

The fact you felt the need to screenshot a wikipedia summary tells me you probably had zero clue to the legal problems involved beforehand. Which is fine, I'm not judging you for it. All I was pointing out was how little fan artists actually understood copyright law, as evidenced by the string of responses here with incorrect assumptions about who can sue, who can sue for money, and what is even copyright-able.

>And don't forget this is only US law
No shit.

>>3195089
>The vast majority of fan art does not qualify for fair use because they do not make significant academic contribution, nor do they make any meaningful critique of the original
source: you

Seriously, your entire argument is just a made up theory because there do not exist any precedents. No fanartist has ever been sued in a court of law over copyright infringement.

>>3195122
>Seriously, your entire argument is just a made up theory because there do not exist any precedents.
Because the question was an exercise in understanding law. In reality there are plenty of reasons for companies not to sue fan artists or dick them around by using their art. It would be a complete asshole thing to do, but it wasn't a moral question.

I'm also not arguing against fan art. I myself love and draw plenty of it.

>No fanartist has ever been sued in a court of law over copyright infringement.
Wrong. Many have gone to court. They just settle when they realize they can't win.

A simple cease and desist letter should be enough to send fan artists quaking in their boots, and most sane lawyers would not suggest they fight it. The few who have tried in because they had the backing of a certain legal defense fund ended up wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, and still ended up settling and following the original C&D request. Look up Dwyer vs Starbucks if you're so inclined.

Funny thing is, fan artists actually have less to worry about with big companies like Disney, because they have no emotional attachment to their properties. It's the individual copyright owners who tend to sue fan works, and this happens in the literary realm more often because writers own their work. But I'll stop spoonfeeding here, you can find this stuff easily.

>>3195117
>>3195139
>The fact you felt the need to screenshot a wikipedia summary tells me you probably had zero clue to the legal problems involved beforehand.
You can't be even more pretentious

>>3195139
>Wrong. Many have gone to court.
>Many
Post names. All of them. And not some shit from Disney age

>>3194902

>No they don't. Registered copyright gives you the ability to sue for punitive damages, which is not linked to provable damages. They only need to prove that the work in infringing.

And 99,9% of the time you get almost nothing if you try to sue that street bum or some random kid who drew a Donald Duck and put it on a school wall. Even the US is not that ridiculous with its lawsuits.

>>3191894
desu I don't like fanart because I don't get to see original art from the artist.
I find it more interesting to look at characters I've never seen than to look at an icon plastered all over media.

>>3193970
>Artists don't understand copyright. Neither do juries, lawyers, or even some judges.

>>3192470
Nah, she is just fighting for people's rights. She a ok bud

>>3193042
>CCAC student
>Implying that's not the best school in this industry where you get everything on a silver platter

Of course, implying mommy and daddy can pay.

You know, lots of people would like to work at Disney but its stupid to think they can't because they are lazy. A lot of them can't because they are normal and can't pay for a higher education which is actually a one-way ticket to success as long as you have the money.

A lot of people at disney are spoiled little brats whose parents payed to have then be there paying for school, events and many more things you can probably only dream of.
Ryan is one of those priviledged rich kids and he doesn't see the world like a normal person because he never had the struggles normal people have so now he is just a millenial who whines about fanart on social media and nobody actually cares, even Cory loftis told him to shut the fuck up because he is being such a whiny faggot about it!

Cory loftis man.

*Also, there ARE normal people working at disney but believe me when I say their journey wasn't a one way ricket like this guy's and they are much more down to earth and don't care about trivial things like fanart. They are also much more humble

>>3195160
>And 99,9% of the time you get almost nothing if you try to sue that street bum or some random kid who drew a Donald Duck and put it on a school wall.
And if you claim you have a valid copyright on your fan art and try to enforce it, then you've given them a reason to come after you and garnish your wages for fucking life. You think you can get away with this by not having money at the time?

>>3195158
Post the names of fan artists who fought C&Ds and won. All of them.

>>3191894
I don't even get what the fucky is this fight about

Fanart, anyone should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with art. now when they try to sell it is BAD. But just sometimes


Unless they are making a parody or adding something personalized.

>"Hey you can't make your wedding cake a mario cake because you have to pay to nintendo desu"

>"You did your kid's birthday after a mickey theme???" " only if you payed disney first!!!"

>"You did. A T-hirt, with a joke with moana on it???!!" "Go to hell!!"


So, when big corporations have IP's that do not suffer economically from their products, I think it's fucking ok to sell them. They shouldn't care, they have almost monopoly of the entire animated movies market. they do not need pennies.

BUT if you are charging for fanart that has been made by indies or faggots who sold their house to be able to promote that character or product then it's fucking wrong. Get it?

Individuals or small group of creative artists do not have the power and money of big companies.


Where do you draw the line? Where does the law draw the line?

I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want with your wacom lad.
Now when selling it I think it's ok to sell fanart from big IPs as long as you bring something personalized fans won't be able to get from disney
With porn, I'm not so sure about that but If someone comissions me elsa fucking ana I'd do it but I wouldn't make it public,
I wouldn't sell fanart from indie games I like, but I'd do them to support them and make their projects work (something big companies like disney do not need)
And that's all, also I think the author (not the propietary) should have the rights to decide if it's ok to make fanart of their work.

That's my opinion and nobody should give a fuck because the only thing that matters at the end is the LAW

But yeah, don't forget to draw whatever the fuck you want.

>>3195189
>Post the names of fan artists who fought C&Ds and won. All of them.
Why? Burden of proof is on you.

>>3195139
>Look up Dwyer vs Starbucks if you're so inclined.

Okay, I just did. What the hell does that have to do with fanart? You are literally just making shit up as you go, pretending you know shit about law when you're just some random moron.

>>3193143
Kron used to, yeah. But what's this about Sakimichan tracing?

here's the thing:
do you want to make money with your drawing skills?

if yes then you do need people knowing you, knowing where to find your images and knowing what you draw good.

Are you retarded enough to think this happens over night?
If yes then be against fanart.
if you do not want to live on friends and families pitty commissions for their "great" flier ideas then you work on anything that gets paid, and most of the time that will be rule 34, and sometimes it will be fanart.
Once you are established, knock yourself out and tip your toes in unknown waters of trying to do you own stuff.

People here actually caring about being (((legitimate))) """artists""" when the academic art world is creatively and morally bankrupt. Holy shit.

Just draw whatever you want, how the fuck does it matter?

>>3191894
This is like saying if you're a musician you shouldn't play someone else's music. I know plenty of classical musicians who just aren't interested in writing their own music and just want to play other people's musical scores.
This man must despise orchestras.

>>3194902
Holy... Fuck... Punitive damages aren't used willy-nilly and are typically used for repeated antagonistic (or malicious) behavior. The court is also unlikely to award punitive damages to a multi-billion dollar company; instead, they're more likely to punish the artist by prosecuting them under copyright and trade laws. Punitive damages are rarely awarded to the plaintiff themselves and are taken by the government (because you don't get to profit off the punishment of another individual). You haven't taken even a basic course in law, have you?

Copyright laws are state and federal laws, therefore a private entity has to press charges to get the state to pursue the offender. Litigation, however, is private entity vs. private entity and is used to settle debts or recieve compensation. These are to ENTIRELY different fields of law.

You cannot sue somebody for more money than the court finds the value of the damage. In litigation cases, the plaintiff provides evidence of the value of damage against their property (or health) and the court debates and measures these damages based on circumstance and awards the plaintiff an amount (if any) deemed fair under the case. Law itself is somewhat irrelevant in litigation.

When pressing charges, you are telling the state to pursue arrest and trial of an individual for breaking a law or statute; at which point, you help provide evidence to the state to press these charges; however, the state can also press charges of its own accord if it finds ample evidence and reason to pursue.

A simple Google search would allow any IP holder to find any fan art and sue; they'd make some money if it were as easy as you say. But they don't because THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE YOU HARMED THEIR INCOME OR IP IN SOME WAY.

Law suits aren't some magical fucking free money ticket.

>>3191894
Is this nigger really that stupid. 75% if not more of art online is fanart of something that got big. There would be jack shit online in terms of drawings if everything created had to be "original" or self inspired. Most artists start drawing because they want to be like artists they admire.

>Fanart controversy going on is starting to get wild.
Haven't read much of this thread but this guy is irrelevant and by talking about it you're giving him attention he doesn't deserve.
I too could go on twitter or whatever social media and spout whatever bullshit that went through my mind. Let sad fucks stay sad.

>>3195665
Music has methods to pay writers for their music, if played by someone else. Most orchestral music these days is the oldy moldy stuff, because it's copyright free. New music is expensive to put on, with an orchestra. There are orchestras who play new music, for performance, but most of it's done now as soundtrack music.

Anyway, if you write a song, and someone else wants to play it, they have to pay ASCAP/BMI license fees to sell it or perform it, or the venue has to have a license for it. Then the artist gets paid for the performance. Art has no such system in place, because art is not created to be played multiple times in front of an artist or through some form of media. And, you can buy a license to use someone's art, if the artist or whoever holds the copyright allows it.

You can't compare music to art, it's two separate things, entirely.

>>3195726
>Copyright laws are state and federal laws

Wrong. Copyrights are Federal laws, no states have copyright laws. ALL jurisdiction in copyright law is in Federal courts.

>You cannot sue somebody for more money than the court finds the value of the damage.

Wrong. Damages and/or Profits: Copyright Act § 504 gives the copyright owner a choice of recovering: (1) their actual damages and any additional profits of the defendant; or (2) statutory damages.

Statutory damages can often be much higher than actual damages. Learn the difference. Telling someone to take law classes when you completely missed or ignored statutory relief is pure comedy, especially as it's very common.

>the state can also press charges of its own accord

Laughable, at best. The "state" doesn't prosecute, the Fed does. And they won't initiate a copyright case without some form of complaint by the copyright holder - the Fed cannot decide to sue for citizens. The Fed *could* step in, if the infringement involved other criminal activity, like wire fraud, or mail fraud.

>A simple Google search would allow any IP holder to find any fan art and sue; they'd make some money if it were as easy as you say. But they don't because THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE YOU HARMED THEIR INCOME OR IP IN SOME WAY.

No, what they do instead is sue for injunctive relief, which is the removal of the infringing work. This is the most common civil relief, I've used it myself suing people who used my work without license. Disney does it all the time, like the lawsuit they filed against a pre-school who'd painted Disney characters on the wall - they didn't sue for damages, they sued for the injunctive relief of them removing the paintings, which they did. Case closed.

Surely a lawyer such as yourself would know of injunctive relief. You must have missed that day in law school. Tsk.

>>3193501
>Dame, dame

>>3192049
This is the only good thing he's drawn though

>>3191982
Most art at some point dies reference stuff from history and, recently, popular culture. Though referencing popular does go onto the cringe line like e.g. artists born in the eighties providing eighties pop culture in 2017. Or a recent example, new DOOM game referecing Skyrim and Commander Keen. Putting pop culture references in art for the sake of not looking like a sheltered faggot or popularity varies in context.

>>3195189

>And if you claim you have a valid copyright on your fan art and try to enforce it, then you've given them a reason to come after you and garnish your wages for fucking life. You think you can get away with this by not having money at the time?

No, never said that, quit putting words in my mouth. For those same practical reasons the feds really only start paying attention when you try and redistribute something pirated in a larger scale or try to make money off it. Those are the two keywords that get you in trouble when it comes to most types of copyright.

Example my friends uncle who used pirated Photoshop and Indesign to make an art book and he released it on sale. Somehow Adobe actually got the wind of this and he was forced to pay 5000 euros as fines. Pretty much 99% of people posting here have a cracked version of some art program and no police is going to give a fuck until you actually try make money with them.

>>3196842
Cmd keen is a ID game which is why another ID game references it, plus the older doom games also did it. Skyrim references are gay though.

>>3191982

>Isn't all art technically fanart though?

No retard. Fanart is drawing stuff from someone else's IP. Stop being a colossal autistic faggot.

>>3191982
>Isn't all art technically fanart though?
Imagine being this kind of idiot.

>>3192316
Go away Ryan, your OC is not that good.

>>3195089
This is 100% true, same story with source code

>>3193963
Excusing the people who work at comicbook publishers conventions have actually been getting stricter about what can be sold in their artist alleys. Some require artists to have more than 60% original artwork for sale and another recent one is not being allowed to use logos or show/comic titles in their art.

>>3192318
>Granted, we live in a era where public domain will not exist ever again because companies will hug their stuff for centuries with no end, even if they know its garbage and will never use it again...

Dude, you're right. Considering the shit going down with EA and killing studios all the while taking their IPs and never use them again for example...that shit is frightening.

>>3191982
>Isn't all art technically fanart though?

If you believe in God, but as far as I know He doesn't sue to protect His IP.

>>3192443
>4) you do fanart that doesn't the original brand too much

>>3191911
>who he thinks he is
i'd kill to be able to do backgrounds like he can

>>3192466
I believe that falls under the same laws as taking someones photo in a public space.

What if craig mullins makes fan art

You are a bunch of gossiping old ladies. Oh, who I kid, I know you're all either tumblrinas or estrogen-ridden single-mommed "men".

Their particular skills, earnings or characters are of no importance here.
Instead of focusing on the argument about fanart x recognition, you had to turn this into a gossip thread about two nobodies in the big scheme of things.

Way to miss the point.

Unless they're making a tangible profit off of it, you can pretty much slap the 'artistic liberty/parody' label on it and no one of consequence will give a shit, besides Tumblerina's and drama queens.

>>3193970
There is such a thing as 'goodwill'
I would think Disney is usually good with dotting their 'I's and crossing their 'T's when it comes to maintaining their PR. Otherwise, they can more than easily shove a lump sum of cash and brush it underneath the table.

However, the real fun comes in with the contract, where either side can play the game.

Just recently with Fallout 4
>Bethseda buys the rights to use an old-ass song by a has-been artist
>However, they didn't clarify how they would use the song, the gist being they violated some sort of 'goodwill clause'
>Has-been artist isn't dumb--he waits until Fallout 4 proliferates the market
>Then plays dumb and says Bethseda breached their contract, requiring them to ante-up or remove any instance where they used their song

I don't know--people are assholes and greed is a bitch. I would be flattered if Disney used my Disney, and I'm sure white knights would be more than happy to the good fight in my name, but at the end of the day, fighting legal battles is a long and arduous process against large companies--where only the rich stay righ, and the poor are put through hell and back.

>>3202391
>craig mullins

I doubt mullins would waste his breath on this crap to busy making money and art

>>3191939
>#fanartgotmepaid

I just googled that and looked it up on twitter........99% GARBAGE POSTED ART with people who probably got shitty paying gigs because they don't know how to take risk and ask for more money on commissions, thus dumbing down the payment process of art once again.

>>3203243
He literraly made fan art of marathon a bungie video game its the image i posted

>>3192334
It's okay in fine arts. The dude on the right sold the piece for hundreds of thousands.

I draw fan art because I'm a sketch monkey, I can make pretty lines but can't design worth shit.

>>3192316
Is that you, Derek Savage?

So what's the consensus? Is it okay or not? Why can some people sell it as prints and pin ups and some people can't? Is it just because style?

>>3192537
you know what satoshi kon also was? a director

>>3193041
Thats Mumbasa and Simone.

>>3193047

Fanart is a necessary evil to gain popularity and exposure.
Once you achieve that level you can pursue original art or get money through a rabid fanbase.

It's the black-pill way for the savvy entrepreneurial artist.

Only a loser artist with "ethics" and "standards" will languish with no money and no exposure. Drawing original art (which is mediocre every time because brain energy is dedicated to original thoughts, instead of fundamental drawing where the idea is imagined already) is a path to failure in the BURGEONING days as an artist when you are ready for the world, after training in solitude.

>>3194418
Brush?

Where do yall find these nice brushes goddamn

>all these BUTTHURT weaboos and shitty cheap fanartists from Tumblr
ahahahaha

i mean i draw fanart sometimes. But i bet ALL OF YOU have shitty tumblr galleries filled with nothing hype trash like Undertale/Rick and Morty/whatever shit is popular now where you draw popular characters in stupid situations and do REQUESTS

not surprising you all got buttblasted when a man from industry who is older and more sucessful told you that fanartists are subhumans

I do draw fanart but i do hate that fanart is like a millenial-type of art.
Some artists never even challenge themselves to make anything original and feel offended when people talk about original art.

>>3191894
This shit still going on?

>>3192121
>I can express my feelings on the matter therefore my opinion is on the same level as the top professionals of this field nor can it be criticized by anyone else
Yep, the good ol' "You don't have to be a chef" argument.

>>3192121
That's exactly fucking right. Look at those armchair developers shitting on EA, they don't jack.

>>3204116

>>3194001
I hate this fucking guy and his """"art"""""

>>3192443
>don't sell fan art

Tell that to every artist at every comic/anime convention.

At New York Comic Con, there's three types of artists. 1 is popular because they're creating art of an existing IP in their unique style. ArtistAbe has a huge fanbase for drawing Disney/DC Comic crossovers and has a following from the general Disney nerd community. And of course, don't forget Sakimichan.
2. Well known established artists that worked for big comic companies or studios. Or created their own series. Like Mike Mignola, Frank Cho, Adam Hughes, Frank Miller, etc.
3. Independent artists that have a following for having their own iconic style or brand of work. Think DestinyBlue.

>fanart is bad

Meanwhile Jeff Koons sold his statue of Popeye for $24M

>>3191894
Fanart is totally fine. At a point.

If all you do is fanart, especially of shit you're not even a fan of, just to be popular you're a sell-out piece of shit. Your art is meaningless, you are meaningless, and you should kill yourself.

However, people usually end up being artists because of the things they like. I love Alien, HR Giger is still a massive inspiration for me so I will do the occasional Aliens fanart because it was a huge part of my artistic career. At that point it's not really fanart but an homage to the things that inspire me.

When it comes to selling fanart... it really depends on the progression of your career. If you're an amateur artist that's painting just for fun and people want to buy prints of your take on certain characters I really don't see any problems with that. These kind of artists aren't going to be selling enough prints to really matter affect the original creator's livelihood nor is it competing for the same market share as the original source. People buying fanart aren't usually going to say "Well, now that I have this fanart poster I'm not going to buy anything from the original creator".

But if you're the kind of artist that is making $60,000 a year you really shouldn't be relying on fanart to be your voice. Being the kind of artist that relies solely on fanart to live is just kinda sad. Not only is it morally bankrupt but that surely can't be all that rewarding.

(I made my fanart posters thinking I was a nobody, that no one really cared about my art or did I think it was worth anything. I had no idea I was some kind of fucking super celebrity artist guy. I have no idea what my art is worth but if what you people have been telling me it's gotta be worth more than I was selling it for, lolololol)

>>3191982
>I mean we're all drawing from life,
Oh fuck off. Not one person on this shitty planet is a fan of life.

>>3191984
It's more like release a cover album to sell to a large audience without first getting permission from the original creator.

Which is different than some girl plugging away on her guitar singing "When we were young." to post on youtube.

>>3204800
Fair use under parody and the like..

I don't know. That faggot is a hack and should feel bad.

>>3191894
So putting aside the whole 'real art/not real art' thing which lmao @ that you have to consider the kind of personality you'd have to have to unironically hold this kind of opinion

Looking for stupid arbitrary reasons to feel superior to people is a huge red flag on par with screaming at your waiter and hitting small animals with your car.

Like it doesn't matter what side of the debate you're on, really. What matters is what holding those opinions say about you as a person.

>>3192341
mr kim has drawn a fair amount of harry potter fanart incidentally. dunno if he's sold it

>>3192134
this is correct. storyboarders are supposed to work out composition, shots, visual storytelling. no use polishing something if clarity for the other crewmembers to build off is already there
https://youtu.be/jZyWuFsGcgg

I don't get the entire fanart issue.
Isn't fanart how majority of these artists even got their caricature abilities, finding their style. Seems like more pros than cons if you asked anyone.

>>3204116
this desu

>>3193047
>can't about your favs and comments

How to spot a true failure.

>>3193959
>11:16
>you can copyright STYLE

>>3204800
>Jeff Koons
>good

nice bait

>>3192458
i'd fuck it

>>3192528
I don't know why but I want to fucking murder everyone that put's their fucking pen/pencil/whatever in their fucking work.

WOW HOLY SHIT IT WAS DONE WITH TRADITIONAL MEDIA NEVER HAS THAT BEEN DONE BEFORE BETTER LET EVERYONE FUCKING KNOW

>>3204897
>Not one person on this shitty planet is a fan of life.
then explain why documentaries on animal life are so popular.