/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Every artist friend I've talked to has just told me to draw things I like until I git gud.
I asked them about the sticky and the books and guides in there and they seemed to just blow them off, everywhere I look for advice on where to get started just contradicts and gets me confused.
I've been thinking of getting a tablet to start off, but everything's so intimidating.

Don't do as much drawing on my free-time as i would like to because I'm too lazy, but I'm taking my first art class (begginers freehand draw) as a senior in hs and figured i should start.

So I decided to do a little drawing of my Splatoon character. Pretty proud of how it turned out. This was also my first attempt at cross-hatching.

>>3172736
>op used my pic
does this mean I'm gonna make it?

>>3172766
It means you're the epitome of /beg/.

>>3172751
It seems you are following the contour, but the risk of doing this is that you can lose cohesion between parts of the drawing.

Try to interiorize the shapes AND the relationship between them, then start by sketching the volumes in. When you are satisfied with the placement you can start getting into more detail. Be prepared to move things around as you go.

As for the shading, my sugestion is to simplify the drawing into 3 or 4 values and block in full areas. Maybe crosshatching isnt the best technique for this.

But by all means, continue doing this and do it a lot! Experiment, get mileage, practice, draw different types of subjects, and dont be afraid to fail. Your are not off track.

>>3172747
Just get a pencil and a stack of paper or a sketchbook, you dont need to spend a lot of money to start learning.
As master Vilppu says: There are no rules, only tools. Ideally you will build your knowledge from multiple sources depending on what works for you.

My advice would be to take it easy and start from a single source until you have more experience. Just make sure you choose a good source, like "Keys to Drawing".

Have fun, enjoy drawing simple things. When you start becoming comfortable, expand but dont forget about the basics.

You will be building dexterity, patience and concentration like a bodybuilder builds muscle. After a while you will be having a blast!

>>3172776
Thanks a bunch, I'll give that one a look.
A friend recommended I start with a tablet because, their words "Ctrl+Z is more powerful a tool than anything traditional can offer you," so I was gonna buy a cheap one or steal my sister's who gave up drawing as one of her many teenage pursuits.
I'm downloading Keys to Drawing now, and will give it a thorough read once I've freed the time up, thanks again!

This is a rough sketch for a canvas I'm painting next to the canvas I'm starting to outline,Does it work?

>>3172844
leave /beg/

>>3172855

I am a beginner though, I just was drawing myself and I'm making a mythology inspired painting, then I took the pose from the mattisse music painting instead, I should probably change it a bit though. I've only been drawing 3 months I'm not good.

>>3172858
its a common meme referring to your lack of attepmt to adhere to the fundamentals. read the sticky then come back. also props for being inspired by mythology, we need more wagners in this world.

>>3172858
You are trying to do too many things at once, the brain can only consciously work with one new thing at a time

>>3172862

Oh ya i understand that, it's supposed to look primitive, I'm just honestly not that good yet to make a realistic rendering of a human that id want to put to canvas for a project so I went for something more stylized instead. I'm all for fundamentals but I know my limits and want to make this interesting atleast.

>>3172866
>it's supposed to look primitive
fucking dropped
you should grind fundies before you try and paint a finished piece btw

>>3172855
pas moi!

Crits! Drew from reference but pose and stuff from imagination.

>>3172736
how does one learn to draw cute grills?

>>3172871

Ya unfortunately none of my
Classes have covered Anatomy except one I took over summer, not that that is an excuse but I get discouraged at times doing it on my own. This painting is just for a color theory class, it could've been a few fruit instead but I wanted to do more.

>>3172970

>>3172970
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>>3172940
For starters, center their eye line on the middle of the total height of their head, otherwise they look like cavemen if its too high as you are doing. Maybe go a bit lower for more cuteness, just don't put it high or you go for ugly (ie tumblr style).

Have any of you ever tried re-colourizing old ink-art before? it's my first time, any tips please?

>>3173005
pretty cool man

>>3173005
any tips Guys!!

>>3173005
h-help, I need help!!

>>3173005
a-anyone? I'm really struggling here and I need help. pls.

>>3173016
>>3173012
I'm the guy trying to draw this, and these guys are not me, but thanks for bumping it

>>3173017
>taking credit for my work
you're not gonna make it

>>3173005
is that edirne?

>>3172972

>>3173043
yep, though it was called Adrianople when this was drawn. How did you deduce it?( or did you read it from the file name?)

>>3173044

I'm afraid I don't really understand how the right arm and leg must go.
Can you help me on this one, please?
It's still early sketching and I'm just throwing lines but I want to understand these poses from the start.

Charcoal ear, no good way to take photos except with webcam.

>>3173089
I dunno where i'm going with this

>>3173005
Just finished. any suggestions/critiques?

>>3173113
>tfw totally wrong pic attached

kill me pls

>>3173109

So, today I took the time to make a bunch of rendering tests and studies. Doing this, I wasn't concerned with anything else other than to get some brush work that felt nice, and I think I did, but I have a question:

How do artists make those super smooth transitions between colors, as in the picture on the bottom left? I've been trying for a while to get something along those lines, but I simply can't.

Are they just really good at blending things out, or is it just a case of using a big airbrush and masking and painting and masking and painting and masking...?

KEK, I just finished Project 1-B of "Keys to Drawing" which is: "Make a drawing of your own hand from the unusual end-view of the fingertips. That is, with the hand and fingers pointed directly towards your eyes".


The result it pic related. I just realized how bad I actually am at drawing, always thought I was average, damn...

drawing on a tablet doesnt FEEL good. do you jsut have to get used to it?

>>3173208
Yes. It'll n ever compare to drawing traditionally but it offers you much more freedom

>>3173005
LE EBIN PLS CRITS :DDDDD
HAHAHAHA I ASK FOR CRITS AGAIN
FUCKING LMAO XD

Can someone post that how to boob chart. I'm studying shoulder-chest proportions and I could probably use it (or any other resources y'all have).

>>3173208
Tape a piece of paper on top your tablet surface if you don't like the plastic feeling.

Drawing this one sheet took long as fuck. My biggest issue is the thumbs feel tiny. I've stopped measuring every single little thing and begun measuring more broadly. I don't think I'm ready for that transition though but I'd imagine measuring the hands in the same manner would leave me spending 30 minutes minimum on each one and I can't tolerate that.

>>3172970
I like the gesture in this drawing, but what the fuck happened to her butt? Butts don't just fall off towards the leg.

>>3173102
Looks cool man, I have personally always failed with charcoal, can't render with it for some reason, I get either a light gray or black and nothing in between. When done right charcoal is cool as hell.

>>3172940
It's the chin. All of those faces look like that of a horse

>>3173208

You can either spend more money to buy a screen tablet like cintiq or any other much cheaper chinese brand.

Or just adapt. Just grit your teeth and adapt.

>>3172940
You have such a distinct define style in terms of drawing faces that ever since your first post here I can recognize your drawings (when they have faces).

I feel that compared to a real human being, your face drawings have:

1- Eyes too large.
2- Specifically when drawn in profile (or somewhere between 3/4 and profile), you move the eyes too far away from the nose, the "ew not cute" one is a perfect exacmple. That eye is inside his/her temple, and it's something you do regularly.
3- Your foreheads and cranium in general (compared to the facial features) are too damn small. Notice how the girl on the bottom is fairly cute, and her eyes are almost in the middle of her face, meaning there is plenty of forehead above. Now contrast that with the ape looking mongoloid that's all the way to the right near the middle, the one you drew half her face. She has no forehead and her eye is giant.

Anyway, just some things I've noticed, I'm a beg too.

Am i good enough to leave beg yet?

>when you realize that /beg/ is just other beginners criticizing each other and getting nowhere in the process

This is a fucking trap

>>3172736
Not really a beginner, but I want to train into representing a character (preferably head to feet), under different perspectives, even very stretched one.
I just want to be able to make my character move in whatever pose I like or whatever camera angle I see fit.

What would be the best method of training for that goal?

>>3173208
i felt the same way. takes about a month to get used to it.

>>3173351
If you are not a /beg/ maybe asking /beg/s for advice is not the best idea. By simple logic I can tell you that if you are good enough at anatomy, perspective and foreshortening you can draw the human figure at any angle, but I guess you know that much.

>>3173349

okay crab.

i lose patience very quickly. bad habits

>>3173342
>hiding behind style
no

>>3173351
Draw a lot from imagination and play around until you draw something that looks right.

Occasionally inform yourself with pictures taken at extreme angles.

>>3173388
Capture the angle of the shoulders and the angle of the hips first.

Try to see flat shapes in the image and compare them to what you've drawn.

>>3173094
eric wants to draw anime?

>>3173388
ref?

>>3173409
>Try to see flat shapes
This is the exact opposite of what i am trying to do. I'm not practicing meticulous photocopying, I'm trying to capture the gesture so I can construct my own drawings.

>>3172736
Hello! Am firdt time on 4chan and I found this pleasing thread to ask a bit of your help
Trying to draw hands I did something veery wrong. How it could be fixed?

>>3173419
Well for starters get rid of all of that detail. It's fucking distracting and makes it hard to see the underlying construction.

>>3173423
Thanx]

>>3173419
its not awful but its very much crawling in my crawl

>>3173433
^^_^ That's the point...

>>3173419
You could use some going back to the basics. Anatomical work to begin with. It's not bad, but not good either, it's pretty ok. Also what that other anon said, skip the overdesign. Try simpler more robust designs. I think you could try getting some inspiration from real life objects, this "real" attribute seems to be missing from your drawing.

>>3172866
Sir with all due respect, i think what 4chan is trying to say is please do yourself a favour and go read one Andrew Loomis's book such as successful drawing by googling Andrew Loomis Pdf on the web. This will help you greatly as it is apparent that your skills are greatly lacking, however this can all be fixed with making use of the above mentioned Andrew Loomis book.

Kind Regards
4 chan beginner

>>3172963
With regards to anatomy there are plenty resources over the web, check

>>3172963
Check recommended 4 chan books they help greatly. And before you can learn colour, you should master your values.

Kind Regards
4 chan beginner

Just wasted 2 months on Loomis's figure drawing book. Haha.

>>3173517
Did you learn anything

>>3173522
I learned an easy way to keep the proportions in check and some anatomy. That's it. Stopped going further after the muscles bit, because I learned almost nothing from it despite spending 2 weeks on them.

Hampton's book so far is 100x better.

>>3173536
How is it better

>>3173538
Better more in-depth explanations and better drawn. Loomis seemed to just be "here you go, retard. Draw it." without showing much information.

>>3172972
fugg

>>3173546
But hampton doesn't even draw pretty girls.

>>3172789
It’s better to start out with traditional because it does not have CTRL Z. You have to put more thought into your lines when you can’t just undo them mindlessly.

>>3172982
tried it an ur right looks way cuter.

>>3173271
how do i fix them?

>>3173306
Tnx for the feedback, I'll try and keep these things in mind in the future.

>>3173418
Then what you're doing is wrong.
This is all a gesture drawing should be if that's all you want to study at the moment.
And you repeat this with different poses ad nauseum.
However, to get good gesture drawings you actually need cursory grasp on anatomy so that you're filling in the shapes with your mind and not the photo ref.

>>3173568
Here's pic

I hate this shit so much. I just want to practice drawing people but starting seems to be almost impossible. Should I just try and draw the head first

>>3173508

With kind regards literally mimicking

>>3173582
Jesus, how do you manage to be worse than that

>>3173598

Cause mattisse is one of the greats. I'm just trying to do it in a similar style.

>>3173360
He's right though. There is hardly ever any useful criticism shared in these threads.

>>3173604
>trying to copy a famous artist when you don't even have fundamentals down yet

>>3173575
I promise you that I am not memeing you. This book is just for fun and is a good way to get started.

>>3173604
legit looks like one of those bad art pieces that jews use to launder money and commit tax fraud

>>3173626

Don't disagree but I'm still doing it regardless.

>>3173636
Kek

>>3173648
>muh style lmao

Why are you here then?

>>3173651

Lol Im here to post my beginner work. I agree with everything said but it's a school project and I'm just mimicking styles to get the results I want for the painting.

If you have no interest in drawing realistic characters and just want to draw cute cartoon shit like pic related, what's the best way?

What "learn to draw" book should I start with? I'm a total beginner.

Does anyone have a good reference for drawing eyes at different angles as the head turns

>>3173651
He's not doing it to improve. I don't think he cares much.

>>3173712

Ya of course I don't care. Just like how I didn't really care when I was doing this last week.

>>3173719
Not too bad, just remember to model your forms in the round, bro.

>>3173701
fun with a pencil by loomis

>>3173553

Take his techniques and apply it to your shit. Is it that hard to understand?

>>3173701
You can start by buying a noose and fucking killing yourself faggot

Just started fun with a pencil last night, thoughts?

>>3173791
will his genuinely help or am i being baited? I don't know the memes of this board

>>3173811
rude, whats wrong with wanting to learn how to draw cute western cartoon styles?

>>3173817
Nothing to say, that portion is just to get into the spirit of drawing. You aren't drawing anything that can be critiqued.

After drawing what I saw and using measurements to ensure that lines were angled and correctly placed I noticed that I couldn't grasp perspective very well with my methods of just photo-copying what I saw. I kept fiddling around trying to figure out what it was I was doing wrong and noticed that all I was doing was checking the accuracy of the lines and not understanding the form and volume.

I've decided that the next best place to go is construction. After that I can move on to applying perspective.

>>3173851

it's not a meme fun with a pencil is exactly what you want. ideally you'd learn real actual figure drawing too and apply what you learned to a more stylized approach but fun with a pencil will teach you principles that will apply even if you go straight for cartoons

>>3173851
You're drawing cringe tumblr shit, if you want to learn cartoons find something actually good to study from

>>3173882
But I don't want to draw that I want to draw cute, stylized art. If I could draw like >>3173701 I would be so happy.

>>3173876
Thanks anon I really appreciate it.

>>3173887
Go bother >>>/reddit/ or the alt thread, this isn't the place to try that crap

>>3173889
I mean, I got the answer I was looking for from that other guy. No need to be so rude. I'm not "trying" anything. Why does it bother you that I primarily wish to draw unrealistic, cute cartoon characters?

>>3173892
Because it shows you're not a serious artist

ngmi

>>3173887
The thing you have to understand is that all forms of art benefit from fundamentals. That's why they are called fucking fundamentals.

If you don't want to be like the hundreds of thousands of mediocre artists out there you have to learn fundies before you try to stylize anything

>>3173894
>if you don't draw what I LIKE then you're not SERIOUS
nigga you think I give a fuck? I aint trying to be Picasso I want to draw cute fan art of western shows

Sorry if that bothers you that I aim to draw pic related or >>3173701 Mr. Autismo

>>3173900
I totally understand, thanks anon. I'm already reading that pdf you suggested.

>>3173882
Check out aaron blaise on youtube if anyone is interested in animation. He has great general art videos too.

>>3172972

Anyone here know anything about pixel art? I could use some tips on how to shade better using that checkerboarding technique some older works would usually have.

Rate my Abomination

>>3173116
look up aerial perspective. the furthest objects away should be lightest. so those trees way in the back, and houses, should not be the same values as the ones in front of them. you've kind of got it with the grass in the foreground compared to the grass in the midground.

>>3173208
yes, i personally find it harder to get into drawing on the tablet, doing 30 second gestures as a warm up should help.

>>3172940
i think you're having difficulty placing the features on the face. study proportions more, and try to be more meticulous when measuring your drawings.

>>3173388
your leftmost sketch is my favorite, you have some nice lines going on despite inaccuracies. measure out proportions before you start getting into your details. The fold above her belly button is just over halfway down her body. her legs account for just over a third of the whole figure.you keep shrinking them down to account for foreshortening. i probably dont have to tell you that foreshortening is hard to understand, so you're not going to nail it with guess work. make careful measurements.

>>3173568
Stop filling anon's head with lies. a gesture does not focus on anatomy, but rather on motion (GESTURE drawing dude). practicing gesture drawing will help you add life to your drawings by studing line of action, etc

>>3173961
stop trying to draw shapes you cant see. if you want to learn nude anatomy draw a nude model.

>>3173975
there is a thread with some good pixel art refs up right now, go look for it

>>3173978
push your values!

I'm new to this board and I have no previous experience drawing.
So I decided to learn how to draw and fell for the Loomis meme.


I started Loomis a few days ago, so far so good, since then I was just drawing heads and I also watched some tutorials on youtube, but I'm starting the body chapter now.

Should I spend more time training heads instead of going further?
please critique.

>>3174029
stop with loomis

if you're a complete beginner you should stick to keys to drawing and observational drawing

FUCK I didn't realize the anatomy was fucked until too late.

>>3174037
Sorry I didn't explain myself very well. I'm an engineer so I know basic technical drawing, I'm ok with geometric shapes, 3D parts, etc.

I've never draw humans faces and body nor anything beside geometric shapes.

>>3174046
>ok with geometric shapes, 3D parts, etc

are you sure? all your heads that are even slightly 3/4 are complete garbage. this video will get you started, you should still consider doing more life drawings though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

Copying Values is Wrong right?
Values can have variation depending on the composition that we are using right?

Composition value system is like a value scheme.

>>3174072
By the way I did not copy any values but I was trying to apply what I know and compare values with the others values around it.

This is just a study

I know the composition is off (I'll be switching to an angle parallel to the ground), but I'm moreso curious about improving the colour. Right now it just feels too high-contrast and that my colours are lacking a direction, and I'm looking for suggestions

Last drawing of the day, I need to rewind a bit and remind myself that I still can't eye-ball to within 10% so I still need to measure a bit more than I currently am. Didn't feel like inking or erasing so the construction looks messy.

>>3174080
Hello anon

Did you choose the colors randomly or you made a study before go for it.
Many professionals painters first they make a mini study of the colors that can work supporting the composition and story telling.
That may help.

When I study colors I avoid blending modes in the layers because that distract me. I use a normal layer or I do it with real media.

>>3174050
This video looks great! I'll keep trying to improve my heads.
Thanks mate.

>>3174091
Thanks for the suggestions. I had a rough idea of what I wanted (orange/yellow and greens/cyans), but I got distracted when a colour seemed to blend well.

Maybe I should step back and just make a swatch of the colour families I'd like to use first. And then create layers for each picked colour instead of being lazy and just overlaying them.

>>3173575

Fun With A Pencil will make you enjoy drawing for fun. Easy to fallow and easy to understand.

figure drawing attempts
what am i doing wrong?, be helpful if someone can get some red lines if its not too bad.
also hand in ass wasn't intentional

How do I go from thin to thicker lines in csp? Do I have to increase the brush size.

>>3174029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j39NqwL7s4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I_egPHop9A
Watch all three of these videos and post the drawings you made while watching them.

Then either get a cgpeers account on the 1st and 15th of every month or find the torrent somewhere else and download proko's Figure Drawing Fundamentals Course, specifically everything out of the gesture folder. Draw with him as he draws.

01 Gesture\Gesture_Quicksketch_26_Videos
https://www.cgpeers.to/torrents.php?id=33524&torrentid=33389#torrent33389

Just those three videos and having a loomis reference next to you is probably enough though. Then comes the grind, where you just have to keep repeatedly drawing to get good and rewatch videos or review good pose breakdowns (like the loomis ones) to make sure you don't lose your edge.

The rest of the videos probably aren't as important, unless you are really missing the art background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkfE2CJKHrA&index=13&list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws

>>3174169
shit, meant for >>3174156 not >>3174029

>>3173349

>>3173517

>>3174159
hold ctrl alt and move the cursor or adjust your pressure settings

how do you use watercolor? I'd really like to get better at it but I tend to use it like paint instead of letting the water do the work. Any good watercolor artists I should hunt down and observe? I just bought my set today on a whim but it's kinda neat and I think I can really see myself doing it long term if I could git kinda gud

>>3174209
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>>3174169
>https://www.cgpeers.to/torrents.php?id=33524&torrentid=33389#torrent33389

have you followed this method? And if so did you see any improvement?

>>3173128
>>3173109
>>3173089
>>3173044

HAHAHAHAHAH SO BADDD THIS IS THE WORST ART I'VE EVER SEEN ON THE /BEG/ THREAD

>>3174286
Which ones did you buy I wanted to try it too

>>3174292
Anon I'm extremely fucking lazy and don't put any effort into doing anything except for two studies I did the past month pic related (one is a study of HGJ iirc and the other is a statue study). I haven't watched videos except the three I mentioned and two from Proko's gesture practice set and then:
Wlop's videos (these plus wlop's psds are also on cgpeers)
Kawacy videos + patreon from people on /ic/ (check warosu)
Shilin's videos (free on twitch)
yuumei (yeah basically all free but yuumei uses a lot of vray and 3D which I don't know how to do)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrawPVjWNlU&index=2&list=PLUc3JG3VG60M2AYFXV6AVj6wnOkqOwOfx
Aznado, avacado or whatever that guy who was really good at painting.
I also got to watch this artist on /a/ draw one waifu: http://3fourdraws.tumblr.com/

(by the way there's also a tonne of random chinese videos like HGJ etc on youtube which I skimmed)

As for anatomy, gesture etc it's definitely my weak side. This is the (anime style I suppose) sketch for the latest piece of fanart I'm working on https://i.imgur.com/DkmOzeK.png referenced from designdoll

This is how I drew the first time I came into /ic/ from photo reference: (about three years ago I'm slow) https://i.warosu.org/data/ic/img/0020/82/1431344476571.png

This was my last batch of poses I actually put some effort into (a few weeks back you can tell it's quite messy - messiness is firstly because I am using wacom small, secondly because I'm lazy and thirdly because I put a plastic sheet over the tablet to avoid scratching the surface)
https://i.imgur.com/Iih9Lkb.png

But yeah, I definitely put Proko in one window and drew at least ten poses with him and occasionally rewatch how he does drawings, before mindlessly grinding quickposes on about 3 minutes each. In terms of how much improvement 1. master studies 2. observation drawings 3. videos from pros 4. shitty low effort fanart
Look at Conceptart sketchbooks, they draw a shitload to get good.

Beginner question here, I have tried the stravinsky exercise (pic related) multiple times but still looks horrible, should I continue to repeat it until it looks ok or just keep moving forward with the other exercises?

>>3174323
Just keep going but remember what it was trying to tell you.

>>3174323
No I fucking sucked at it too, don't even bother with it, just do more observational drawing etc.

>>3174326
>>3174327

thank you kind anons

>>3174331
As long as you work on crushing your symbol drawing and have mileage (lots and lots of drawings while doing studies of your favourite artists) you are guaranteed to improve.

Any tips when drawing from life? I don't want to become a proko xerox nigger.

>>3174343
>I don't want to become a proko xerox nigger.
You will. How much time have you spent drawing compared to the pros? Almost zero, so your visual library will be trash tier unless you have talent, I think that the only way to compensate for an inability to draw well from imagination due to the lack of mileage is to use 3D tools to compensate and collecting a good reference library unless you are willing to wait until you are nearly dead or spend more time grinding then enjoying what you are drawing.

>>3174347
I'm pretty sure none of those anime fanartists on pixiv are xerox niggers and they churn shit out of imagination way better than anyone here.

i am ambidextrous

>>3174349
Coming from a family of asians, apparently if I didn't get sent to art school at the age of five years old I was a failed ngmi artist. Do NOT underestimate the autism of asian work ethic and don't expect to draw as well of them but try as best you can... and don't be afraid to use references.

>>3174360
*as

>>3174349
it is called reference, dumbass.

>>3174362
With enough quickpose practice and eyeballing loomis I'm finding it easier to draw bland poses from imagination and finding that I am able to rotate the figure mentally better than before, but still generally shit;.

>>3174362
So what's the point of going outside and drawing from life when I can just use reference.

>>3174364
You can get actual people to strike a good pose for you and dress them up so they can act as your reference.

>>3174365
I can't even have a normal conversation with someone.

>>3174369
You'll be fine.

how is the perspective

>>3174041
omg those crab hands

>>3174475
I know that my scribbles are as lazy as a fuck 5 minute shit and inaccurate in places but perspective shit is all mathematical grid shit and it's easier with the pen tool. Wanna draw perspective? Use grids, use semicircles shape tool to build up the shape and delete the bits that you don't need to avoid making it all ragged

Genning VPs in PS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9PIUG2fjcQ
Also a lot of this sort of shit is probably better served in actual 3D software which is probably a pain to learn but I found some seriously cool shit on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83t1tXCqDY

>>3174475
i can literally tell its you by your terrible lines

>>3174578
lines dont matter

>>3173628
Just added to my Amazon cart. Thanks anon.

>>3174601
just read the pdf .....................

>>3174595
im pretty sure you keep your chest up and spear over your shoulder when youre running like that with the intent to throw

>>3174608
she hit the target anyway. all's well that ends well

I'm drawing alot and my wrist is really hursting for a few days now. what do?

I'll repost here.

I'm realizing that I have some real shit spatial intelligence because I started drawing pretty late and I can't intuitively turn angles in my head.

Like imagine a pole angled 45 degrees on the X plane, rotate the y axis 45 degrees towards you.

I had to bust out a calculator to find that the x axis length is 1/2^0.5 , around 0.707

What is the best way to train this skill? Should I just make a visual library of different angle combinations and memorize it?

>>3174618
Literally just searched for wrist exercises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPO-zST-7EE

Come the fuck on

>>3174623
exercise is for normies though. robotic wrist when?

>>3174622
1.ghost the line. and feel when its the same distance.
2.draw a circle with centre point axis of rotation.
3. pivot hand at rotation point

>>3174632
All you're saying is to just make the same length line but at a different angle.

>>3174622
Have you read scott roberston's book? He is very technical. You can calculate perspective with math and if you do it enough you'll start to internalize it.

You should be thinking about actual 3d shapes instead of 2d lines.

>try fun with a pencil
>can't do ANY of the exercises properly
>his cartoon insert keeps mocking me and telling me I should be able to do it by now

>>3174729
I think you are expecting to be as good as the things in the book, you are supposed to be worse for now. (I made the same mistake and only realized months-years later, not sure when)

>>3174729
I remember spending at least 1h on each page when I could barely draw a circle. Just did the best I could.
Fun with a pencil is fucking awful, honestly.
If I could start over, I would go from Keys to Drawing, then to draw a box.

Can someone that went through DAB help me with this particular exercise?

I've tried it a few times and it always turns out wrong. Gonna attempt again shortly
Any tips on how to approch it would be useful. I think my basic perspective knowledge is fine (I understand how to play with VP and draw boxes correctly) but somehow I get stumped when I try something like this

https://imgur.com/a/sfN8p
i only have webcam

trying marker

couldnt mix purple for the lips

colours have no black(?) couldnt make dark for hair

I'm trying to get into portraits
How did I do so far?

>>3174848
reference

drew a quick jojo

>>3173005
make your color layer 'multiply' and try again.

>>3174848
>>3174849

well?
should I change anything about it?
should I start over?

>>3174848
did I do well?

>>3174848
how good is this on a scale of 1- 10 ?

>>3174864
>>3174867
weird.. I don't remember making either of these posts

>>3174815
Because it is a flawed exercise. The kid has no business teaching art. Learn from masters like steve huston, glenn vilppu, loomis. scott robertson is great with technical perspective

>>3174902
FUCKING /IC/

>>3174902
you didnt get the bases of the cubes right.
what a dumb post to mislead beginners

>>3174912
I know you are upset that you wasted your time with drawabox, but it's not too late, you can still learn how to draw!

Moving around boxes in blender (free 3d software) and drawing them would be a much smarter way of learning than drawabox.

prompt was shadow prince, how did I do?

>>3174914
FUCKING /BEG/ THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT
THE TEACHER-STUDENT RELATIONSHIP IS SACRED TO IMPROVEMENT FUCK THIS SHITTY MEME

So I wanna get better at drawing hands, as right now they look like mangled claws whenever I attempt to draw them.
I spent a total of 80 minutes drawing two different hand poses, trying to get the proper shapes down etc. by first constructing them with simple shapes and then adding details and shading. Now the question is, is this the way to go (few poses, long studies) or should I do more hand poses and spend less time on each of them (many poses, short studies)?
What is most beneficial?

>>3174919
>prompt was shadow prince
prompt from where?

I've become pretty decent at drawing heads and even faces by this point. But the one thing that keeps kicking my fucking ass is hair. I'm not sure at what point in the process I should begin drawing it.

I've got a perfectly decent, albeit, bald head and face, and when I start drawing hair over it it just looks so messy at first and my own head explodes IRL.

I know I'm asking for incredibly vague advice here, but when generally should I start plotting for hair? It's the one thing in art that has continuously stumped me up until now. I just can't draw hair.

>>3174926
Both! So, do a little research on the anatomy of hands, try to get a feel for it at first even if it doesn't stick yet. Think about masses, ok?

Then you're going to just draw hands. Start with 30 seconds, try to get the gesture and proportions down. Then after about 10-20 of those do a set of 1-minute drawings. Keep the same process you got out of the 30 seconds (which should be getting hand/finger position down and trying to draw from big general shapes down to specific ones last). Block in what you can in the time you have, when time is up, just move on. From 1-minutes move up to 3 then 5, then 10, then 15, then 30. After that you could even do an hour if you feel up to it. The shorter the time limit the more poses you do, and the longer the time limit the less poses you'll do.

Doing your studies this way (and keeping everything loose in the beginning, draw from the shoulder and elbow and keep it loose, it's so important that you keep your process from your quick drawings even in the hour-long drawings).

Just try to draw what you see. Put down a loose light gesture/proportion drawing, then go into visual measuring with your pencil and make sure everything looks right. After that you can block in lines for where the shadows are falling and if you have time after that block in tones in chunks (kind of like looking at vector art or cell shading). After that point you can just go wild with rendering.

Something that could also help would be picking up an anatomy book during long studies if there is a bone protusion or form that confuses you. Also, in your 1 minute drawings you can try looking at the hand for 20-30 seconds and then drawing it for the last 20-30 seconds without looking at it. This can help solidify what you're learning since you have to use your brain to make it happen.

Good luck anon, let me know if you have any more questions about this stuff.

>>3174942
drawtober.

>>3174948
Cheers man, solid advice. I’ll save your post so I wont forget it. Do you know of any anatomy books in particular that may come in handy?

>>3174948
on visual measuring

>>3174957
So many! (I know for a fact you can find them all as PDFs if you look hard enough, check them out before you buy to see which one works with you personally). The first two have been the most useful to me in everyday situations, last two are more advanced

For just plain forms, check out
>George Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy.
Now to be fair this man seems to have been double-jointed so his hands look really fucked up from having a huge range of motion (Mine are the same way, I can make every hand pose he draws but god it is painful). However he's very into the dynamic gesture looking shit. You don't have to push it as far as he does, but do check out the way he explains the forms that make up hands and simple mechanics of anatomy.

>Anatomy for Sculptors: Understanding the Human Form by Sandis Kondrats and Uldis Zarins.
This one shows muscles/bones in different stages of motion, what they look like when resting and active, and even show you the different layers from bone to surface. It's for sculptors but it works just fine for an artist since both deal in forms first before detail.

>Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist by Stephen Rogers Peck
Another favorite of mine, this deals with the more advanced anatomy, had lots of diagrams from different angles, and talks about functions and names of muscles/tendons. Use this one if the others don't explain something for you.

>Human Anatomy for Artists: The Elements of Form by Eliot Goldfinger
If the previous book is still not doing it for you, and you have history with med school or just don't mind going into autistic levels of anatomy terminology, this works. It even shows cutaways of muscles on top of bones, and has a lot of great pictures. The walls of text and medical terminology can be off-putting, but it is still a solid book to have around. I'd recommend checking out a pdf of this first to see if you can handle it or using it for things that confuse the shit out of you that you can't find elsewhere.

i feel like her upper body is stretched but it might just be me..

>>3175043
Her torso is mostly fine. Look to the area around her shoulders and neck. Her heads a little too obviously far from the leftmost shoulder.

>>3175043

head on a stick...

going to post a drawing I did from reference

heres klonoa from reference

and two more

heres dexter and daxter

>>3174358
do you have parkinsons too

>>3174914
drawabox isn't about having a good teacher, he literally starts the thing by saying he is just trying to give as much as he remembers from a class he took.

Where I can find more books as the related where there is a clear 'path' to follow?
I found this one too leaning towards painting

>>3174919

I'm bored... Hope you don't mind me doodling on your stuff...

>>3174707
Thank you. I'll look into it.

I was doing some gesture drawing class on pixelovely and this was the last pose. I gave it a couple of attempts, but I couldn't figure out her orientation. The pink scribbles are my best guess. I'd really appreciate if someone could redline the orientation of her chest and pelvis.

>>3175314
Here's the original.

R8 my sneks boys

How in the fuck do I draw a cube they always come out as slight rectangle things

>>3175325
The one on the top is really good the line work could use work on the other two. You should watercolor these then post! This is my lawyer bird guy. I call this painting bird law. How is it y'all?

>>3175416
Oh and 2/2 just did this beetle :3 he's cute and I love insects

>>3175314
? Do you always draw the forms without gesture lines first? How does that work out for you? Anyway, I used to do it too but after reading Vilppu/Hampton he said to not do that first before mastering your gestures.

Anyway, I'm just a lowly fellow /beg/, take it with a grain of salt!

Focus on the ribcage form, which is more of an egg (smaller top, lower bottom) than an ovalish sphere.

Pelvis should be more akin of a isosceles trapeze prism than the thing you did.

When you did your 'redline' atop of the reference, they look more like 2d shapes than 3d shapes. Focus on 3D shapes, as it's the better habit!

>ctrl + f "loomis"
>over 13 results

every /beg/

so he's the real deal, huh?

>>3175438
Loomis draws the prettiest girls out of all the other meme'd names. He's practically anime

>>3175438
His books are super easy to obtain, but there are much better people to learn from if you know how to sneak past a pay wall.

>>3175436
Normally I throw down a gesture line and do "the bean" then add lines representing the appendages. That was my fourth or so attempt of the pose, but I was just trying to figure out the planes of her pelvis and ribcage in the pink mess, since I was being confused by her orientation in 3d space. I attached an example of how a five to ten min gesture usually looks like for me. I should stick to 3d shapes more, but I prefer a box to the trapezoid, though I should give the trapezoid more practice.

>>3174312
Previous anon here. Wasn't expecting you to go through your art journey but this is exactly the kind of in-depth response I was hoping for.

I don't want to waste my time doing things that won't help me improve so seeing someone else's progress combined with the resources they used to get to where they are really gives me a good idea of what grinding can potentially do for me art wise.

Thanks. I'll take a look at the resources you mentioned and see if I can apply it to what I'm trying to achieve.

Waifu art is the end goal but I have no issues being patient and drilling the fundamentals.

>>3175438
If the gooks trust him, who are you to argue?

>>3175242
dont mind at all, looks great.

kongou

>>3174358
wtf I thought Schulz died.

>>3172736

I drew a babby Hemingway somehow.

>>3175181
no schizophrenia

>>3175543
>Schulz

lmao

Am I supposed to mark out things like the top and bottom of the figure where the hip is and where the feet are first

>>3175635
You could if you're a complete beginner and you're measuring out heads to help with proportion.

The more you draw the more internalized shapes and sizes become and you can begin a drawing from any point of the body.

>>3175572
the non dominant hand linework in these is really interesting, are they all from reference? that one head looks like its from hamptons book

>>3173005
http://muddycolors.blogspot.co.za/2017/03/applying-transparent-color-in-photoshop.html?m=0

>>3173208
Learn to draw traditionally first, helps a ton regarding your problems with shapes try studying the Charles Bargue drawing course there's a youtube vid by the name of artedu101 bargue drawing to help you with the studying of the book

>>3173342
Try studying one of Loomis's books or the Charles Bargue drawing course there's a youtube video to help you with studying Bargue drawing by the name of ArtEdu101 bargue drawing. Also check out ZinLim on youtube he helped me a ton.

>>3173351
Learn perspective, in Loomis's books they mention of it

>>3173388
Love it, keep working and use only 3 values/colours to complete it darks blacks, midtones grey and highlights white. Try blurring your eyes a bit and place these colours onto your work and then refining your details

>>3173628
This man is right. Also try successful drawing by loomis I found that one more fun. Also Zin Lims videos on youtube.

>>3173661
Please take the advice given to you, for they are more experienced and are trying to help you. Providing an excuse for critique given is a way to halt your learning regarding art if you aim to become a better artist. And lastly do not hide under style, style will develop naturally the same way your handwriting does you have no control over it unless you try to mimick the style of others which is painful and frustrating.

>>3173626
Couldn't have said it better myself sir.

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>>3173863
Try studying the Charles Bargue Drawing course, and check a video on YouTube by the name of Artedu101 Bargue drawing. And lastly try checking the surgeons manual on drawing that teaches you the frank riley method and how to get the proportions right.

>>3174824
Sir that is amazing, why marker though not pencil. Keep up the good work.

>>3174832

Im learning to draw clothes. Feel free to give advice.

I hate pencil. i break it so i never have to use it again

It doesn't look right to me. Done with fountain pen.

>>3175742
lol?

Like who though ? Besides frank Riley

>>3175449
Examples?

What's the best way to learn faces? I guess I'll try to pick up Reilly again.

HOW DO I STOP CHICKEN SCRATCHING???

It's driving me crazy but I just can't help it please someone tell me how you broke out of it, all my drawings are a messy pile of shit

>>3175852
It's all about practice, I've been drawing for a few years now and I still fuck up sometimes

should I keep working on it or leave it?

>>3175852
Hey I like that head a lot, good stuff

>>3175455
I think it's mileage mostly. You can watch all the videos you want and it won't help if you don't grind. Do it for your waifu! Having an end goal is important.

I cant do anything other than low effort doodles its killing me im such a lazy fuck how do people work on a drawing for long times

>>3175438
He's the real og, if you read through his books which contain a large amount of text you should be good to go sir.

>>3175852
Sir you're spot on with that riley stuff, also check out the following youtube channels Zin Lim and Edizkan mini legends.

>>3176029
bottom right is a cute lass

check

>>3176058
Thanks man, good find on Zin Lim. I have't watched the other one yet but I've got high hopes.

>>3175454
dat ass

>>3175863
Maybe just think about each line first and then try to do it in one stroke

How to use brush pen

>>3175863

Practice. No secret technique. Just good old repetition.

>>3175852

Riley is great for facial details but to learn the entire construction as a beginner is hard. The good thing is, you can use riley's method pretty much on any head construction.

So learn a simple head construction and get comfortable at drawing it then use riley's face rhythm to supplement it.

you really have to warm up for drawings too?
you cant just do the drawing and voila?

what are the best basics to do when learning drawing?

hey gamers did you know painting one painting takes forever and you have to paint a ton to get good and it's cold in here

>>3176230
>gamers

If only I could put the thousands of hours I've wasted on vidya into drawing. Well, at least I might be alive for several thousand more.

My drawing feels so fucking aimless. Help

>>3172972
I tried being a bit more creative.
I feel like I fucked up but I don't know where.

help

>>3176242
keys to drawing

how are my grill coming along?

(I like 3 the best.)

>>3176238
Shoulder is too far back, kinda looks detached from socket, and the arm hidden behind the body is basically a floating hand. Head tilt looks a bit unnatural as well. Also now that I think about it the arm is really long if it was flat against the body it'd nearly reach her knee

>>3176238
why is my picture so popular?

>>3176265
>grill

>>3176268
because it's one of the only reference images in the thread

>>3176273
>>3176265
*grills

>>3176283
>plural
that makes it even worse

>>3176266
>the arm hidden behind the body is basically a floating hand
What do you mean?

How is keys to drawing from imagination?

>>3176325
tfw no /beg/ gf

>>3172972

fuck me this is hard...

>>3176238

I like it. Is there a tutorial for these type of construction?

>>3176331
I like the butt poking out even if it isn't a perfect display of structural anatomy

i have tendinitis in wrist what do?

KRISS Vector in perspective. Probably should have inked to make my intentions more clear but this was a long and tedious process.

>>3176350
How to make a vertical unit = to a horizontal unit?

>>3176350
Do you know how to do ellipses in perspective? I would recommend practicing, would make it look a lot better.

>>3176331
You can literally see him doing loomis in that post

Getting there...

So what's wrong with draw a box? Why do people hate it?

>>3176431
It's a watered down slower version of a course he stole without really understanding why some things were done so he scrapped what he didn't understand. Also he focuses primarily on what were intended to be warmups because I don't think he really has the skill to critique things much higher than that. I recommend just taking dynamic sketching.

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>>3176029
Try the Charles Bargue drawing course https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LugJ4DrjW9YXc1Q0VnVWVXdFk/view?usp=drivesdk and heres a quick guide on how to do so https://youtu.be/Pj5F2y2dXUU

>>3176098
Please attempt to read the heavily prescribed Loomis book as your proportions seem to be incorrect sir.

>>3176125
My pleasure sir, remember if one method doesn't work have no shame and try another one or another book that works for you

>>3176230
I really like your drawing, made me laugh good work

>>3176262
Loomis successful drawing or fun with the pencil though I heavily suggest successful drawing

>>3172736
Please critique the image will be sent into 2 parts

>>3176579

>>3176350
Appreciate your effort anon

>>3174945
Sir I suggest the youtube channel ZinLim https://youtu.be/c111ub8IE3k there's a video on hair. He helps quite a lot.

>>3173546
In depth explanations? You probably just skipped the text bit of his book and started trying to copy. That must of been your problem .

>>3174029
Check Zin Lim on youtube he'll help you a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/user/zinlimpresent also try the Bargue drawing course while still working on loomis it managed to help me greatly. This is a video guide to the bargue method https://youtu.be/Pj5F2y2dXUU and this one is a text one http://www.ingetang.com/praxis/bargue-gerome-drawing-course-preface-and-acknowledgements

>>3174072
What do you mean copying values is wrong, in the bargue drawing course values were copied all the time https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LugJ4DrjW9YXc1Q0VnVWVXdFk/view?usp=drivesdk

Here's a guide to the bargue drawing course
Video
https://youtu.be/Pj5F2y2dXUU

Text
http://www.ingetang.com/praxis/bargue-gerome-drawing-course-preface-and-acknowledgements

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>>3174327
Thanks for following the sticky

>>3174833
Pretty good so far, please provide reference, though your skills to be pretty decent. Keep up the good work anon

>>3174849
Add shades to it, convert the photo into grey scale and have it a parrelel to you and starr shading but the structure (drawing itself) seems pretty good. This might help you out check ZinLim on youtube pretty good artist that may help you greatly.

Random practice for today. All images are from imagination. next work i'll try and do it from reference. Oh the outfit is referenced from a photo tho.

I'm full well conscious that most of the arguments I'm going to come with are wrong or mangled, but I just need to vent so that I can get over myself.
If someone could tell me exactly what's wrong with my way of thinking (well, with my excuses), I'll have gotten what I came for.

I'm a writer, and it's messed with me for ages that what I take weeks to do even with 3000 words a day can be done in one single drawing by someone who has talent. Most of a novel can be condensed into a single spread page that reveals everything so much better than text, and on top of that it's more evocative, more accessible and more memorable.
Drawing can actually evoke characters and moods, unlike writing, which feels clumsy and pointless to use when you could just evoke all the details you wanted in one page instead of having to contrivedly dance back and forth describing the things you want.
It's also a fuck of a lot easier to get criticism on art, since the only thing you have to do is to ask someone for ten seconds of their time - and for writing, it's multiple days if you write anything of real substance. It captures emotion, movement, ambience and basically more or less everything more effectively than writing, which as I go on is starting to feel more and more like being a retard attempting to explain nuclear science - the medium seems crippled when it comes to fiction and fantasy, and the only thing I'd think I could do half as well as in a drawing would be humor (which no one will read anyway because you have to pad writing where you don't with drawings).

I want to fucking learn, but the advice I can find is infuriatingly vague, obnoxiously feel-good or demoralizingly honest (in that it out and says "you passed the 15, now give up").

>>3179330
I can infer perfectly well from here that "just draw and get better" doesn't work, because you won't learn even basic anatomy and will still draw what you see. I also hear a lot of "it's easy, everyone can learn", but every single fucking time that person goes silent as soon as they're asked how.
I don't want anything more than being able to draw anatomically correct human beings and backgrounds that correspond to the laws of physics. I'm not looking to become a master, just capable of making drawings that other people can earnestly enjoy.
That's why it's hard for me to believe the pretty stories about how literally everyone can learn how to draw if they try. I hear horror stories about people who practiced for years with the most commonly recommended techniques, but still didn't move beyond stick figures. I haven't met a single person in my life who couldn't draw in childhood but learned it later on - every one of them could draw from childhood.
Most of all, the advice I see people get always seems to be a way of pushing blame onto the person - "just draw more", "just use Loomis", "right, and then keep on drawing 4 hours a day for the next three years", while most people who come on here with questions do so because what they've been recommended hasn't helped at all.
It's not a fear of putting in effort - I can do that if I know that I'm not bashing my head against a wall that'll never collapse. All the evidence I see, though, points towards that sometimes you're just not meant for it and you only realize three-four years down the line when you've sunk thousands on tablets, books, courses, pens and paper.
If something has been done by that many people, surely there's some kind of program for it? Surely it's possible to create a list of exercises and materials that can be recommended to a newbie instead of telling them "just draw a quarter of your life away and we'll see in a few years".

>>3179331
I don't know. I just find it hard to believe that something that's ostensibly so easy and possible is still not codified, regularly criticized and has produced an infinitesimally small amount of artists. I start balking when I get led on a wild goose chase through six different manuals espousing wildly different approaches, have to sort through rumors and in the end have to rely on blind faith to be able to vault myself into something that's going to take a lot of time and money.
It would help the board's credibility massively, and get so many more people to start drawing, if there was both a centralized "/ic/ learning pack" (X rounds of some Loomis exercises, pages Y to Z of DotrsofB, supplement with some free sketching, the like) and an archive for new artists where they can post date started, materials used and recent examples of their art, so that others can see these people are actually making progress.
As it is, it feels like I'm in grade school again and someone's just winding up for another malicious prank. It feels like if I start practicing, I'll blow away a year of my life on nothing before someone who can actually draw looks at what I've done and laughs condescendingly.
I have no inborn talent for spatial perception, light or color, my manual dexterity is straight-up bad because of bad circulation (I know, I know, draw with your shoulder - most of the time) and I'm 22 fucking years old.
Someone please tell me to kill myself so I can get over the idea of learning how to draw. I didn't mean to, but I bought into the PC hugbox propaganda and actually got hopeful, and now I see that things are a lot different.