/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3170659
All of my relatives seem to think I'm going to power through uni like it's nothing but I really don't give a fuck about it, I just want to draw cartoons for a living even if they pay is shit (uni classes unrelated to art for reasons). But I'm still more /beg/ than anything, and I'll need at least this year to get an acceptable level to earn money.
I don't really know what I should do. I feel as though I'll regret it later if I don't get into such projects while I'm still young.
Heh, there's no point complaining. I should spend less time writing here.

I hate art critics and the art historian communities that are in my country. I hate socialising with them and it's affecting my art in a way that I just want to quit everything and do something else.

Their mentality is insufferable. I hate their progressive libtard views, hugbox and how they are forcing shit art just because it's by some lesbian with a hip hair style.

>>3170660
Depending what you are studying. If it's liberal arts bullshit, just finish it and focus on your art.
If it's anything with a better chance of getting a job, make your art secondary until you get a nice job and security.

Thank me later.

>>3170660
>But I'm still more /beg/ than anything, and I'll need at least this year to get an acceptable level to earn money.
>I don't really know what I should do.

Are you thinking of writing stories for your own comics? Then finish school and get a job, go have a life. You have to LIVE if you want something to write and draw about, and having a non-art job pays the bills and won't hurt. Then when you have enough savings and your art is good enough, you can go full time drawing.

Life is a bitch, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm cynically building a business making Etsy tier homeware and prints for cat ladies and bugmen, just to make money, but I feel bad for polluting the market with more worthless crap. At least mine will look nice and won't be full of egalitarian cancer, and will teach me about the market and improve my fundies.

>>3170663
Foreign languages. It's probably worse than a liberal arts degree. I just got into it because I didn't know what to do this year, and now the classes bore me to death.
>>3170666
How will get a job make me live more than I already do ? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I don't really understand that. My life is pretty eventful already.
Sigh. I guess I'll have to grit my teeth for a couple more years.

I made a post a while ago mentioning how I want to voice chat and draw with my friend but was too nervous. Well being the faggot that I am, I went on reddit and mentioned being scared to talk to my friend INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY TALKING TO MY FRIEND.

A casting director from LA saw my post and wanted to put me and my /ic/ friend on a TV show. Even though I was scared to voice chat with my friend, it never occured to me that it'd be scarier to actually meet eachother on a show. Me and friend was gonna get a $2500 stipend each, but the manager said that it's too expensive to bring my friend from a foreign country. Being sleep deprived and lacking judgement, I tried to convince them to bring my friend to 'Murica by sperging out his life story and offering to give up my stipend to make it easy on their budget. The casting director never replied back. Looks like I blew it and scared him off.

Sorry friend, I tried.

morale of story: be friends with eachother on /ic/, you never know what might happen

>>3170659
I went back home from abroad where I worked at meat factory because of art related job opportunity from a friend which turned out to be shit pay. I stick to it because it makes me draw and I have energy to study after work but parents despise me for my it and I have harder time living with them than before. I've had depression and other mental issues already, I wasn't sure what I want to do in my life because nothing made me happy, but thanks to friend I mentioned I decided to pursue art and take back the joy that parents took from me. I need to build up some confidence which will be really hard here and I'll look for other job and/or do commissions. There's more to it but I have no time to make full post

sorry for my English

I was severely depressed during my first two years of university (I study animation but I'm specialiising in 3D Character Art/Concept Art/Creatures etc) and I completely blew all of my peer relations/chance at having contacts. If someone tried to message me I usually barely had any energy to respond. One of my groups was so bad that I got forcibly removed from the project Facebook group for not being around for the last 2 months of the final semester. (I did the character models and concept art for the short, most of my work was scrapped, all of my ideas were dismissed. I removed my name from the credits as a result because I was pissed but they fucking put me back in) I don't blame them but one member in particular had it out for me and they've turned the whole class against me, I've been told people talk a lot of shit about me when I'm not there. I really thought university would be different from school but it isn't. I have no real friends. I had an anxiety attack trying to give a presentation once, so I just don't show up for them anymore. I barely even speak, I don't think I've ever been intentionally nasty to these people in any capacity. Additionally, prior to coming to this university I had just dropped out of my first year course at another university across the water. I'm a complete failure.

I had to take a year out while everyone else in my class goes off to do industry placements, currently working on my portfolio. I go back next September, Parents are letting me live with them. Going to apply for some internships but I don't have enough work done yet. I planned to kill myself last year, I didn't go through with it. I got on different medication and I feel a bit better lately but it's given me the clarity of mind to know how momentously I've screwed up.

Maybe it's a blessing I can now just spend the next 11 months getting good and helping my parents out and get my head clear. I just wish I wasn't such a useless retard.

>>3170732
... I don't even have my GED. I live at my parents. At least you're fucking trying anon. Stop being so hard on yourself. I know you can succeed. Make use of these 11 months!

>>3170667
Wow I feel this way too, didn't know anyone else did. I make tons of print designs for money but I feel really guilty for-exactly what you said- polluting the market with more crap. I console myself by saying at least people are getting things that they want instead of buying stuff their forced to that they'll eventually dislike and throw out.
I feel guilty from like a eco-friendly and anti-materialist standpoint (don't call me a library, it's retarded how much clothing the US produces and how people have lost their soul by buying things)

>>3170674
He may have never replied back because he's been talking to probably hundreds of other people all week, he may respond to you eventually and keep your story in the back of his mind.
I wouldn't be suprised if he was trying to scam you though, be careful.
So what is this sentimental story between you and a d/ic/k?? Like how could anyone be this way with another icer?

>>3170674
>posting on plebbit
Dis goy

>>3170762
Reddit is better than 4chan in almost every way. /ic/ is the only 'redeeming' board IMO, and even then - it's a sci-fi/fantasy/concept art & digital painting circle jerk.

>>3170759
The casting director responded to me from his personal reddit account, and he's been active on reddit after my message so I am sure he saw it. I'll shit my pants if the manager actually says "ok" to me giving up my stipend. Could've been a scam but I doubt it, he has an extensive reddit history and his IMBD lives up to his name (I google the fuck out of everyone).

>So what is this sentimental story between you and a d/ic/k?? Like how could anyone be this way with another icer?

Not gonna get specific because my friend might recognize me, but I told the director a bit of his background and how much respect I have for him for his wits and persistence. It's a casual platonic friendship and still green. But when he talks to me, something unlocks in my brain. I can draw again, and I look at myself and realize that I have come back to life. He makes me laugh. My friend is a bit of that bright, warm, and beautiful world I long for. Sometimes there are days when I draw just to show him something, it's good to have someone to look forward to and be accountable to. I am not about to bring feelings into it and muddy the water though, I value his friendship too much to pull any shenanigans. But it feels fucking awesome to be lovesick, better than being dead inside.

I bet some of you are wondering if it's you. ;)

>>3170795
Be careful there, you might just awaken the /pol/tards.

>>3170827
I bet it's Brian

>>3170732
Take care of yourself, you're okay the way you are. Just keep going.

>>3170732

i trace

I was molested multiple times from ages 15-18 by a female friend of mine. When I try to tell this to people or talk about it, people usually just think I'm doing some sort of "humble brag" (cause all teenagers want sex) but it was actually really messed up and I'm worried it screwed me up and how I view sexuallity. All I want to draw is the female figure and I'm so obsessed with masterbating and surrounding myself with females. My sexy image collection is huge and idunno, I just never get to talk about it and I need some help :(

>I'm a guy just fyi

>>3170877
Get help.

>>3170877
You need jesus

>>3170659
That feel when minority.

That feel when really good.

That feel when treated poorly by peers because they jelly as fuck.jpg.

>>3170892
post your work

I have a pretty successful freelance career - much of which is drawing figures. For the most part, I just pose figures in Design Doll and trace them. I also bought Design Doll (in part to support the single developer, and also to get the most updated, bug-free version).

I think fantasy/sci-fi/concept art is pretty lame, and I find that amateur artists obsessed with these industries are among the most uncreative and generic hacks in any art industry. How many space marines and wizard orcs can you possibly draw?

I bought Noah Bradleys freelance illustration guide, and I thought it was full of informative and reasonable insights. He deserves the success that he has gotten. Though "The Sin of Man" is unnecessary passion project and a waste of time that no one cares about.

Grinding the fundies is overrated.

I think style > skill. I'd much rather look at unique & creatively made artwork than generic, overly rendered try-hard crap.

Too many people here seem to think that digital painting is the end-all, be-all of the art world, and that if you don't do this type of work then you're not a legitimate artist.

I think artists who make porn artists patreons & commission sheets are among the saddest and most pathetic individuals here.

In regards to making a living as an artist, I think /ic/ erroneously values raw skill and the fundies far more than they should, and they should instead value & practice their business and promotional / marketing skills instead.

Anime artists who think they can make a living with their work are naive, immature and delusional. There is a virtually unlimited supply of artists who all draw the exact same bullshit, while there is very, VERY little actual commercial demand for it.

Instagram is the only worthwhile social media site.

>>3170659
Does anyone else experience a slight phobia of posting on social medias and getting praised by normies?

t. literally who that's been cooped up with crabs for five years and never really posted "out there"

>>3170907
you seem to enjoy looking down on other artists for a 3d model tracer

>>3170933
OH! That's another thing... Thanks for reminding me:

You are delusional and a moron if you think anyone gives the tiniest fuck about your process. All anyone cares about, and the only thing that really matters is the end result.

This goes especially true for people critical of photobashing. In the work environment where it's used, photobashing seems to be a time efficient way to deliver the results that clients need. To suggest that it's not the 'right' way to do the job is profoundly stupid.

>>3170849
Brian's in russia?

My confession oh father /ic/ is I want to be a tattoo artist. I think theyre fuckin cool and i want to sleep with tatted roasties. I know tattoos are divine heresy to some of you people but I dont care.

I want to make at least 1 manga, and have a large amount of ideas/skill necessary for it. I've drawn quite a few refs and I think about it almost every day. However I need money right now and I'm scared that my friends would judge my manga as being shit.

So instead, my friends all encourage me to do fan art and draw porn to hopefully start a patreon. I've been trying, but I feel so pathetic and unmotivated. I just don't know what to do.

>>3171016

There is nothing wrong with being a tattoo artist. In fact, there should be more tattoo artists who actually know how to draw. When I was a stripper gyrating and shaking ass, I met a lot of people, both female and male, with shittily done tattoos and that shit ain't something you can tear out of your sketchbook and throw away at whim.

>>3171025
A d/ic/k with some sense, I dont even care about making a lot of money at it but the work will be so much more fulfilling to me as opposed to my current situation. I know this a little from working with my buddy whos been in the industty for a while now. Im actually really grateful hes taking the time to teach me what he knows.

>>3170659
I don't reply to anime or anime related posts. i think anime is shit, and fucking dumb, and I don't have any interest in helping weeabos and autists to make jerk off material. I think anime is a blight on the art world, and has helped degenerate it as much as "modern art" has.

I also ignore bog boob posts. Childish man children like that kind of thing - don't have time for that kind of crap.

Most of you will never work professionally. You're going up against fewer jobs than any other time in the 20th century, and you're simply not good enough than someone who's been dedicated to art their whole lives, have talent, and went to school to develop that talent, and no books or YouTube channels are going to change that. Art is a great hobby though, so I encourage that.

4Chan is the worst environment possible to learn anything in.

Most of you have severe and deep mental and emotional issues that will keep you from being successful at anything. Get help. Most successful people aren't terminally depressed and don't have to force themselves to do anything.

And last but not least, most of the revered artists here that you beat off over, the Chinese, are hacks of the first order. It's all over processed, soulless shit, that relies on special effects and cliches too much.

PS - all furries must die in a gasoline fire.

>>3171034
>anime is a blight on the art world

I realize the point of this thread is to let out what you couldnt normally but to say people like hayao miyazaki and mamoru hasoda are hacks is pretty far out there as an opinion.

>>3170673
Anon, if you're reading this, drop out now. Cut your losses while you can. Student loans are a huge bitch and nothing is more stupid than going into college and just wasting it, time and money for something that will not even benefit you.

>>3171034
>and you're simply not good enough than someone who's been dedicated to art their whole lives, have talent, and went to school to develop that talent, and no books or YouTube channels are going to change that

I hate that this is true

I honestly kind of hate this place. I only come here because it is the only place where I can get semi-decent critique and also nice resources are posted some times

>>3170659
I'm both a teacher and a hentai artist and I'm proud of it.

Yet, I want to avoid those two worlds colliding so I use a diferent persona for each of my identities, I even act different.

>>3171101
What you teach?

>>3170877
This isn't the right place to ask for support

>>3171079

What does it matter that others accomplish more than you?

Why compare yourself to a person who are lucky. Lucky to be exposed to art at a younger age. Lucky to have someone who push them to pursue it. Lucky to have the support of the their family and the time to practice and polish their skills.

That's them, not you.

>>3171181
art probably

Art is the only reason why I'm typing this.

My life utter sucks ...you can't imagine how much.

I love this guy so much I just want to draw him but I know it won't be as good as the real thing
I'll get there one day eventually love u lui

>>3171181
Preschool, Elementary School and Middle School classes varying on the subject. Even high school.

I'm a 26 year old with carpal tunnel syndrome. I want to make my art a career so fucking much, but I can't. This shit won't go away. I've tried almost everything short of surgery, and I've been told not even that will permanently cure me of it. I wake up almost every morning lying on my hands, numb as fuck and I know any work I put into healing them the previous day was for nothing. No bed arrangement I do, no wrist or elbow brace helps me from tossing and turning like a dipshit and ruining my hands.

I've tried letting go and thinking of other jobs and what else I could like. Enigneering, Finance, Accounting, etc. but I just fucking hate it. I can't imagine doing any of that for the next 40 years. I will if I have to, but I'll just be a depressed and miserable man like my father, who works long hours at a shit job before hitting the bottle.

I want to create things. I want to paint an environment. I want to paint animals and characters and weapons and anything more esoteric than that. I want to work for the companies who's games and movies I fell in love with, who's universe I fell in love with. All I can do is put in 3 hours of practice in until my arms start killing me. It's not nearly enough to make it, especially for my age.

Fuck life.

>>3171434
Holy shit dude just figure out a way to stop laying on your damn hands when you sleep.
There has to be some kind of an answer.
Also don't kid yourself, I have carpal tunnel too but maybe not as bad. I have to admit that fucking around on my phone and typing causes a hell of a lot of damage, even more so than drawing. Keep tabs on yourself, are you playing vidya, using the keyboard, writing, playing guitar, having bad posture when you draw, and using your phone a lot?
Its probably the sleeping on the hands thing, just fucking figure it out. I know you can anon, I believe you. There really has to be some creative answer out there to help you learn not to do that when you sleep. Don't give up.

>>3171244
tell us why or we're gonna think you're just being a whiny baby.

I'm scatterbrained. One day I want to make music, the other day I want to draw. Everyday I go back from school, I have assignments to do (buisness student) and I'm unmotivated to do art. I also work during the weekends and Mondays at Wal-Mart and I end up always being discouraged by my lack of accomplishment. I can't commit to hobbies, I'm depressed and anxious all the time. My pipe dream is to either create an animated series or create a live action movie. I don't know, I feel in the core of my body and in full honesty that uni just isn't for me. I'm trying to force through and I'll at least try to get my Bachelor's but I feel dead inside all the time. I have no emotions or personality. I don't even recognize myself anymore and it's been that way since I was 11. I don't know what to do /ic/, you're my only hope.

I trace. I only use photos that I've taken (generally of myself, my garden, sometimes my friends) but it's still tracing nonetheless. You'd just never be able to find the source photo.

>>3171507

You're pretty much me. So here's my advice:

Finish Uni. You'll thank yourself for it. I know when it comes to me, listening to my feelings is usually a bad idea, and hindsight reminds me that a lot of decisions I passed up on in the past would have helped me out tremendously.

The only thing to do in your situation is to be as cold and rational as possible. Fight through it, my man.

>>3170834
AYAYAYA
AWAKEN MY /POL/TARDS

I noticed that in art circles people who draw or use smug anime/cartoon girls as icons will always start acting like those girls. It's really weird, and somewhat cringy. Especially when actual person is a male which the majority of them are. So now I avoid dealing with those people when it comes to work that require some level of professionalism.

>>3170962
>tracing 3d
>care about the end result
All your confessions scream that you're a lazy bum who likes to make excuse. Tracing 3D or photobash never gives good result compared to hand paint if you have any taste. They're shortcut that makes your art look artificial and stiff.

>>3170827
Platonic, sure

>>3171556
Legit.

>>3170659
I realized I don't like drawing that much, I only want to be well known for something I've drawn. It's a horrible feeling because *sometimes* it's fun to draw, but I mostly don't really enjoy it, and it's my only productive hobby. I think I finally realized I'm not going to achieve anything significant in my life. Fuck the media for painting the picture of glorious life for all of us. Reality isn't nearly that great if you don't work your ass off like crazy and back it up with talent.

>>3170659
I'm scared I' m not improving as fast for a beg as I should and my friends who know I'm trying to learn to draw will know I'm retarded when they see my progress

I'm absolutely fucked. Art is the only thing I give a shit about but my work ethic is so disgustingly bad that I'll never make it and I'll never be good. And I can't make it doing anything other than art because I couldn't give any less of a shit about anything or anyone else. There must be something wrong with me if I can't even put effort into the only thing I've ever truly given a shit about. I'm destined for failure.

I'm scared about the fact that people younger than me are getting better and better. 2 years ago seeing a 15 year old that drew well was rare for me. Now it's becoming the standard and many of them don't even see art as a legit career. It scares me.

>>3171785
If you managed to draw/paint something and finish it everyday for a 6 months you'll probably be good after that in fact you might find it hard to stop. Be warned though the first couple of months will fuck you up, and your personality will change, but if you pulled through, the question of making it will become a "when" instead of "if" Good luck. Also use a checklist app they help keep you on track

>>3171800
>draw/paint something and finish it everyday for a 6 months
I'll try that out. If it's just finishing one thing I guess I can manage that.

>>3170660
good luck with the multitasking it seems you might have to do. Also whats the anime of that image?
>>3171785
thats depressing. Please fix your work ethic. On a different thread, an anon looked up the hardest skills in life to master. Painting or drawing werent listing, but stuff like work ethic, organization , etc. Maybe focus on yourself for a week.

>>3171434
thats an awesome image, source?
I hope youre able to find some way to solve your carpal tunnel btw.

>>3171786
Anytime you feel that way, go on deviant art. Trust me, its still rare.

>>3171556
explain an example of them mimicking their behavior plz

>>3170877
desu most people 4chan wont be able to relate with you. Ive have a similar problem as you and I still hate the people involved. Therapy for the both of us?
also sauce?

>>3171800
So a complete drawing a day every day for 6 months? So 180 drawings?
Genuine question since I'm like anon. What's your reasoning behind this?

>>3171886
>What's your reasoning behind this?
First of all it will make drawing a daily habit for you, and that's a really important if you want to be a professional. Secondly, it's very intense thing to do for the first time, and once you're done you'll probably have changed your outlook on art or even life in general.

Again, it's easier said than done, so if you're doing it don't feel bad if you did a half assed a drawing in an hour what's important is you draw and finish something, and that's the real challenge. Also start an art blog and share your stuff it will keep you motivated. You don't need to do it immediately, do it the second or the third month if you feel that you aren't brave enough. But do it eventually.

>>3171937
Thanks. I like the idea.

May I ask for how long you've been drawing? What kind of stuff do you draw?

>>3171630
Ok? Not the guy you're replying to but if I could make a living like he is I would. Why should I give a fuck if some dude on IC thinks of HOW I do it?

Even though I am anon, I still post compliments and say nice things because I genuinely like doing that

I don't know if i want to draw anymore.
I did what >>3171937 suggested but after 2 months of daily drawing i find myself doing studies from ctrl paint courses daily (it doesnt bore me and i can go for long time) and i can see improvement but what now ... when i wanted to draw something for myself i ended up looking at blank page for hours trying to comeup with something that would intrest me and it was a fucking black void ... after all i guess i never wanted to draw in the first place but if thats the case then why would i come back to it so many times ... :(

>>3173014
bless you

I recently found my old art teacher's twitter.
He posted my drawings from the class multiple times as a subtle brag, its a nice feeling.

Seeing that recognition really makes drawing a lot easier again, I never realized how much I needed it.

>>3172744
When people are having arguments, don't fucking say "why should I care if X say Y?" because that shit contributes nothing to the point.

>>3173174
I have the exact opposite problem... I want to draw shit that's way out of my league and all the practice in the world seems just useless. A few years have passed since I started practicing but I feel like that flame is completely spent and it's more pain than joy to constantly face my ineptitude

>>3173403
Understandable but it does in this case. This argument based on your stance on something. Whether you think you should photobashing is bad or not. This person is making the claim that you should learn to draw over photobashing, which I understand, but if I could make a living off of photobashing that's what I'll do. He's trying to belittle someone because they photobash, which is something I probably won't care about if I'm making money from it and my customers enjoy it What I'm trying to say is that his opinion doesn't matter in the case of it being 'wrong' or 'cheating', because in the end the customers don't care and the person who does it gets their money.

You're definitely right about not doing that in arguments but in this case I feel it's kind of needed to show some perspective and show that not everyone gives a shit about being honorable.

The other day an anon was asking for advice on how to learn to draw. I could have answered his questions meanwhile my entire family was having an hour long argument over 76 cents I figured even if anon couldn't draw he has something I don't.

>>3173529
I'm not trying to make the point if photobashing and 3d tracing is honorable or not. I'm telling OP that if he does things like that then looking down on porn artists or people who wants to do concept art is hypocritical. And my second point is making shortcut wouldnt produce results as good as handpainting. Well I'm not gonna push this argument further. To each their own.

>wanted to draw this evening
>instead ended up fapping to interracial (bm/wf) porn for times
So this is the power...of being a worthless degenerate...

>>3173789

>I'm not trying to make the point if photobashing and 3d tracing is honorable or not. I'm telling OP that if he does things like that then looking down on porn artists or people who wants to do concept art is hypocritical

Ah, in that case I completely agree. Thanks for not calling me a retard. That's rare for people in this board.

there's this porn artist who's more or less the reason i started drawing and i drew some lewd fanart of one of his characters a while back and emailed it to him along with a few kinda embarrassing sentences vaguely telling him how much of an influence he's had on my life and he told me my drawing was good and asked if i posted anywhere. i don't really post much tho so i'm hoping that's mostly why he didn't actually follow me afterwards (tho he did respond about a month later thanking me for sharing my work with him) but maybe he's checking in once in a blue moon to see if i'm good enough yet. probably not but i still have an insane drive to improve just so i can hopefully impress him, i really hope one day i'm good enough.

i also sorta really, REALLY want him to tell me i'm cute. i want to be what he draws so badly. i'm sorta close almost, but i'd have to drop down to an unhealthy weight again but i might do it cause can't stop fantasizing about him choking me while fucking me with his fat cock. god my brain is fucking stupid.

>>3173888
Why do you like this guy so much?

I couldnt sell my fully rendered illustrations on Fiverr. Not worth $5...please dont tell anyone

>>3173891
his work heavily informed my perception of self and what i want to be, both physically and in terms of starting me down the path of making art, my brain desires his validation with a ravenous passion.

>>3173914
I hope you can be acknowledged by him some day. I'm rooting for you. And if you can't, then at least I hope you can get over him.

>>3171813
>whats the anime
Turning girls

>>3173914
Man you're pretty retarded lol.

>>3173923
thanks, tho it's honestly probably for the best that i never actually get anywhere actually close to him given how much my dumbo brain wants him to take advantage of me in like any way possible lol (not that he'd necessarily want to). hopefully one day i'll grow outta these immature desires but i've had them for years so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>3173942
that's a mean word you shouldn't use but also you're right. like imagining him choking me until i go stupid and only care about him fucking me, my dumb idiot brain wants it so bad.

>>3174178
You sound like a thirsty whore and if I were that artist I'd be creeped as all hell. I hope you're not a guy either

one of my main sources of income as an artist is taking advantage of niche furry fetishes, fat, pregnancy, blueberry, etc

all my clients are spastics and it's hard to not hate them, hate the references they give me, hate what they want, hate myself for doing what they want. but i always smile for them, i'm real kind.

before i started i was telling myself that i would kill the degenerates slowly by taking their money, but now im wondering if they're the ones killing me.

>>3174309
>if I were that artist I'd be creeped as all hell
oh of course, i mean thankfully i'm not that stupid lol, hence why i'm posting about it here and never actually letting that artist know and probably never interacting with him outside of enjoying his work. that and numerous other friends have warned me to be careful around that guy for reasons that i'm also thankfully smart enough to not post here, so don't worry you're pretty little head about it~

>>3174378
Same my dude.

Except that the reason I can't quit these degenerates is that I'm not creative enough to make my own content.

I realized way too late in the game that I can't visualize or invent new things. All I ever do is taking requests or commissions.

I would like to put up some erotic/nude art on my wall to brighten up my room but I'm worried about doing so because I'm a student and they might tell me off. Also when friends and roommates come around, I don't really want them to see it.

>>3174378
Weird. I have almost the exact opposite experience. The fetishists are my nicest and best customers, it's the normies and "i'm not a furry" guys who really fuck me up.

>>3170907
Hay anon, fellow artist with an easily recognisable style here. Although I kinda disagree on a few of your points, the one about digital painting being the be all end all. FUCKING RIGHT.

Part of me is torn wanting to learn to do it myself, (which mostly would entail just finding the right photoshop brushes and subscribing to the fucking thing) but the other part is like naw, i could explore my own style more and be even better at it by the time I get comparable with that digital paint style.

Hahahaha lmao you niggas

>>3170877
>All I want to draw is the female figure and I'm so obsessed with masterbating and surrounding myself with females. My sexy image collection is huge
Try to cut down on those things, very important don't suppress or go in with a negative attitude, just like a smoker weaning off try to cut down on it slow and steady.

Also try to find a female friend/with benefits/girlfriend that has a calm and understanding presence. Try to recondition your intimacy with women, now this can be with a female friend that is open and understanding enough. Learn to appreciate the female form from a purely aesthetic and non-sexual perspective. Find girls fiction or real that just doesn't do anything for you sexually but you still consider beautiful.

Keep drawing though.

>>3174769

Sounds like a bad idea dude. You don't want people to go around talking about that one guy with porn on his wall, which is exactly the way it'll be taken.

Furthest I'd go is a sexy pinup. No nudity or weird shit.

Whatever you do though, don't put some anime girl on your wall because you may as well just put a big sign up that says 'please remove me from your social life'. Unless the people coming into your room are also that type of person, in which case, do whatever you want.

I'd love to just have a bunch of sexy art on my walls, but you gotta consider how other people are going to react to it.

>>3175118
>"It's not porn- it's erotica!"

I see your point.

>anime
Nope never watched it. Hopefully never will.


I live with 9 other male roommates so I miss seeing girls around, figured if I put some art up it might be a good substitute.

Nothing too sexual but stuff like pic related.


Guess I'll just have to find some normal art to put up.

>>3170907
Thank you for sharing your insight; you pretty much shat on all of /ic/'s echo chamber although I bet most people who want to draw good do it for self satisfaction and getting paid professionally isn't their end game. Most concept art are quite static looking either way so gestures aren't as highly regarded, though gestures are still useful for animation/mangoes/storyboarding and drawing for fun, I think.

>>3170659
I like to pretend I'm other people and then make threads so /ic/ can shit on them and I can get a good laugh.

I am going crazy while freelancing though it's going ok, but I'm basically unemployable now. I did everything right and worked in-studio for 3 years but the gap is getting larger and I doubt even small studios will give me a chance anymore at this point.
There's no "growth" or "working my way up" left, I don't think I stand any chance unless I skip straight to senior-tier.

>>3174769
>>3175313
don't do it dude, don't be that creep where the only thing up on their wall is a naked person. like maybe if you already have a billion other things up and it fits aesthetically, otherwise you're just making people uncomfortable and even then, there's something weirdly creepy about the type of person who wants to put "artistic" nudes up on the wall

>>3170659
I'M so fucking lazy
PPl here talk about studies and 16 hours of drawing and warmups and shit

but I think i just gotta learn and then do it

i dont even know what good are 30 second drawings

>>3174378
>i'm real kind.
My ass.

>spend hours upon hours saving references and looking at tutorials
>barely ever actually draw
just

im scared im gonna give up on art because i cant enjoy the drilling of things i need to practice and its that inability that'll probably ruin every other pursuit in my life

There is this girl my friends know who is basically a clone of me. I watched a video of her someone sent me (shes trying to be internet famous) and it mindfucked me. Her mannerisms, speech, clothes, everything. It's so fucking creepy. She even likes to draw too and she's way more successful than me even though she isn't very good at drawing. Seeing her successful/happy made me realize all the opportunities I've fucked up because of my mental problems. Like some parallel life where I didn't ruin everything. I don't even feel like a unique person anymore. I feel like a crappy failed version of her. I was already depressed from losing my job but now I just feel lost. I haven't even been able to draw lately.

>spent the last FOUR hours edging to cuck porn instead of drawing
>have the biggest headache right now, plus my back hurting because I was slouched over all the time
I deserve all of it.

>>3170659
I want so badly to put 8hrs a day into drawing but I can never step out of my comfort zone, I never did for anything. It's literally all I think about, I like drawing and learn fast, but more often than not I just can't get started.

>>3176785
wtf u draw for 8 hours mane?

>>3171800
>>3171886
>>3171937

I have been doing this about two years now. I want to give my insight. Honestly i don't think that my life has changed so much, only that i have to plan my things little differently because of drawing. So it wasn't a big challenge.

But am i a good yet? I haven''t really focused on learning, i drew things that i wanted to draw. I guess some of my work could be in the "really good category", but i still don't have any kind of trust in myself to always make great art. Art still feels more like throwing a dice for me. I think that the best thing i have gotten out of this is that i stopped blaming myself about not drawing.

So still, you don't get really good with just drawing. You have to learn shit too. Shame that i am really slow and shit learner.

>>3176878
I think that's still awesome you forged a solid habit out of this. You may not realized and it may not always be obvious looking at your work but I'm pretty sure you're far ahead than your past self from 2 years ago right now.

Also if you know what's holding you back then I don't think you really have any problem in the end. Try to slip in some study time in there.

>Have fantasies for years of grandiose plans of becoming the internet's best r34 artist
>since I was a kid I wanted to draw porn
>save literal terabytes of cartoon porn
>actually write out a 50 or so page script of my dream project, porn animation, that i've finalized over a year or so
>go through periods of about four or five months where I try and finally learn to draw
>eyes are complete shit at breaking down images (really strong glasses and visual snow), minds eye is shot to hell (very difficult to hold a 3D image in my head) and my illegible handwriting translates to wobbly shit lines
>end up quitting after not making gains
>repeat several times

I just want to be the best at cartoon porn guys. I want to bring happiness to the community that has brought me so much happiness.

>>3177073
Do you have a site/mail?

>>3176759

>>3177081
I've never shared one image, they are clogginguppaheal-tier.

>>3177073
Your minds eye, lines, and ability to break down images will all improve with enough practice, learning and experimentation. Doesn't the fact that you've come back again several times show you how much you want this?
Next time just try not to quit for as long before coming back maybe. Have a coping or recharging strategy; like you push and study for a few hours till you're tired, then take a break for vidya or whatever, where you don't think about art at all and just relax. Then for a couple hours after that do some fun art, just doodle or draw as if you have the skills you want.
That helps me a lot, just pretending I can draw like my idols and filling a few pages with the things i would draw if i had those skills you know.

You keep coming back which is the key thing to notice. Set up your approach better so you don't have as far to come back each time, and have some fun, and you could do much better over time.

>>3177122
Appreciate the time anon, i'm gonna put the pencil to the paper and try again.

That's why I came to this fucking board anyway.

>>3171101
I want a TV show about your life.

I only like drawing men and I feel like it's going to mess me up in the long run.

I have a bachelor in art but have barely improved since uni (which is getting to be seven years ago).
I dont think I care about art anymore.

But then again, I dont care about anything anymore.
I'm not even sad, I'm just empty.

I hate santi.

>>3170659
I'll never be good enough to draw what I want, solely because I don't put more than an hour/week into art. I'm studyng graphic design because I don't have the skils for anything better art-related. I'm a piece of shit.

>>3178176
Nah. Draw what you like until you get good enough to learn to draw what you don't like. And even then you don't have to draw wimminz, but at least you will be able to.

>>3178216
Sounds like you just want to draw because you like the idea of it but not the actual drawing. Your graphic design course could actually be a good thing - you get to learn a bunch of transferable fundies and if you manage to work through it you'll learn how to do projects and then learn to set projects for yourself in drawing. Plus you'll have something that will make you money while you do that, provided you don't quit.

>>3178216
>I'm studyng graphic design because I don't have the skils for anything better art-related.
Just a headsup. Glory days of graphic designer who's only merit was a cracked version of photoshop is over. Study hard mate.

Also, if you have the head for it, tech art and vfx/motion graphics are super high demand plus pays well.

Yeah I think I need some help. I used to really love drawing but now I am not even sure if I like doing it. I keep erasing everything not really being sure what I want to do. I don't even know when to use sketch paper and when to start a project. I am overly frustrated and I end up never drawing for more than an hour. I wish I could do some fine art stuff and maybe sell something but I am generally lost

I tend to overanalyze and overthink whatever I'm drawing. More concerned with how forms fit together than making the drawing itself look good.

>>3175448
What do you mean by gap?

I am tired ;)

>>3175448
>did everything right
>talks about small studios
Kek, did you not make a single connection during your studio time?

>>3178744
>>3178791
I've moved over like, 3 different countries in as many years now. By the time paperwork and all the other shit got sorted it was time to move again. I'm now sort of settled in one I think, but applications have not been going anywhere despite having contacts. Feelsbadman.

I ONLY draw because of a manga called Keyman, no other reasons

I never draw but I download a bunch of books and videos. I never know where to start.

>>3170931
Yep.

>>3178174
I could draw a manga, it's cheaper

When I was 14, I thought drawing mechas was hard but instead of grinding it at it, I decided to focus on other things.

Ten years later, I realize that if I just started drawing a bit every day when I was 14, no matter how little, and even though it would've been shit at first, I would be in a way better place by now when it came to mechas.

>>3170659
3D modeling such as blender and autodesk maya seems funner to me than actual pencil and paper drawings.

>>3178865
This is me but with drawing in general. Starting back then would have been the best thing possible, but the second best thing possible is starting now instead of even further on

When it's daytime all I want to do is play video games when I have the ability to draw. When it's night, I only want to draw even though I have to go to bed.

I rented a book about perspective from the library about 7 months ago and only made it through the first 2 chapters and only did 3 exercises. I kept renewing it over the phone and not touching it for weeks.

I know that I need to work on figure drawing and drawing from life, and my mom has had the "Keys to Drawing" book since I was very young, but I only made it past the introduction before I went and drew more dumb anime bullshit.

How do I break this cycle? I know I can do so much better than my current level

>>3178999
Kek, just stop playing video games nigga. And it's totally okay to draw anime with keys to drawing. It's a book about how to most effectively copy.

>>3179000
the thing is though, I don't play video games. I don't really do anything with my spare time anymore. I wake up, eat, and basically count down the time until I have to go to work. I *want* to play video games, but I haven't actually done it in weeks. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me

i cant count the number of times ive told myself that im finally going to make drawing a daily thing and set myself on the path of become a decent artist, only to give up a few days in. every time i try to draw now all i feel is either boredom or mild disappointment something didn't come out right. at least when i was younger id feel something when drawing, even if it was mostly anger, but now its just nothing. i thought by now id have accepted that im ngmi but every so often ill come crawling back, like im stuck in a cycle that i cant break. i wish i could go back to when i still gave a damn about art.

this thread is shockingly honest and refreshing

i hate the majority of people who post on this board. everyone's a delusional, misguided egomaniac and even though i am someone with a reasonable amount of knowledge relating to art and enjoy discussing it and teaching people i find myself never actually making any posts here because it feels deeply futile.

it depresses me how much egomania is infused within this board. you're all hopeless and i'm probably going to kill myself one day. unrelated to my feelings regarding this board though

I want to draw daily but I just can't do it. Not because I don't want to, but because other shit in my life keeps cutting into my drawing time. People have told me that even shitty 15-minute doodles before sleep will be enough for 1 day but I know myself well enough to know that I'll want to keep going and make it a finished piece, and then I'll end up going to bed way too late and fuck up my sleep schedule, which will then fuck up my ability to do my shitty retail job correctly. How do you balance out your drawing & other responsibilities/hobbies correctly?

Doing an Engineer degree.
There's fuckall time to draw, and when there's like 30mins or something I get lazy and just leave it till the weekend.

>>3179280
if you want to do something you make time for it
i dont think your commute + work takes up 16hrs a day so you have the time you just dont want to spend it drawing

>>3171786
Same

I hate the fact that this board has such unreasonably high standard for art.

>>3179011
I had the same problem, but now i have client work to do so i spend all my time drawing, not actually doing what I'm supposed to be doing but yea.

>>3171786
I am the opposite. There's already enough young people with no skill, wasting their time and life on drugs and other shit. Art is better. It's exciting to see so many young people have so much skill and talent, with the internet and so many resources at their disposal. It wasn't like this when I was younger, what a time to be alive. I think it means we're doing something right. I see art skills like literacy, visual literacy, the more people have it the better. You should not be threatened by a literate population. I don't see them as competition, I see them as future teammates and employees.

>>3179415
Was trying to argue against this but eh you're probably right, I just need to stop wasting my time. (Posting on 4chan, for example.)

>>3179724
And, it's a completely made up standard, based on memes and neckbearding and crab bucketing. Some of the shit I see posted is flabbergasting and can only come from a warped mind, like from a severe autist or Asperger's case. Some of it is just made up, or made intentionally impossible by a crab who can't do as well.

This forum is a lunatic asylum during arts and crafts hour.

>my laptop of 3 years croaked
>too fucking poor to get a new one anytime soon
All my fucking drawings gone

>>3179840
That why you always work on your Dropbox folder

>>3170732
I want to talk about a related experience to this post, related via frustrating college experience

I have been going to a university for a couple years now, my major is graphic design, and I wanted to ask this of /ic/ to anyone with any input to share, regardless of if you are in college or not: Is it hard for anyone else to make friendships with other classmates in the art department, of friendships with other artists in general?

I had this thought that college would be this experience where i would make 2 or 3 good friendships by being in the art department, where I would meet other people like me, so to speak. My family have no interest in art, and pretty much all the people I have known in my life are not artists, which seems like the reason I dont really have friends at this point in my life

I thought that making friends with other artists would be easier for me than making friends with non-artist people, but it actually seems harder. i have tried to push my way into the "friendship groups" that seem to form from art students having the same classes with each other, but it feels awkward and they dont seem to reciprocate any interest back at me. Anyone else have a hard time making friends with other art people irl?

>>3179911
i've read your post and you know who i remembered all of a sudden? that shooter kid from UCLA. Elliot rodger. Sounds a lot like this bruh, he thinks his feelings are meant to be reciprocated in a way that's beneficial or easy for him. that's not how it works. take it easy. seek help if you can

Im always really supportive about everyone drawing, but when I feel down about my art I just go to this board and type "cringe" or go to deaviant art and laught at terrible artworks or artist that have made cero improving on their craft

I love it

>>3179911
The ability to make friends is on you, not your chosen field.

Seriously, see a therapist. If you're in college, your college will have free counselors you can see. Yes, art classes can be cliquey, like any group of people, but having no friends sounds like a problem with you, not your classes, job, or anything else. I went to college in the early 90's for art/design, and still have many friends from classes, and just hanging around in the dorms - many of whom are artists or designers. But, I've never had problems making friends, I'm a pretty social person, and I don't have any issues that keep me from it.

>go a few weeks without drawing
>finally muster the courage to draw something
>have a good time doing it
>"hey this isn't that bad!"
>look at it the next day
>it's shit
>realize how many years away I am from not being shit
>forsee myself not drawing for a few days

I'm in the worst rut in 5 years and I've never felt so low. My art is not nearly good enough to call myself a professional, I have a distinctive footprint but I just can't make spectacular drawings, let alone do most of what I want to pull off in a comic. Every time I start a script I end up thinking "damn, this effect is impossible for me to draw convincingly" and I have to revise, cut down, and it's spiraled into me drawing more and more of the same things. I can't get out of this vicious circle where I draw just sketches because I hate my art so much and vice versa. I used to be different, very eager to experiment poses and characters, and I had the guts to post my work around and make comics. Now I've deleted my social media accounts because I hate my work so much and I don't want it to be around anymore.
I'm in this limbo and I don't even know if I'm supposed to be here. Do actual pros ever even end up in situations like these? I'm starting to believe that this shit is getting in the way too much for me to be successful... I'd like so much to just produce produce produce but no matter how I force myself and make serious effort in willpower it becomes harder and harder, it's like my mind is so burned out I'm just giving up like this. I know that my life without art will be shit, I want art to be my livelihood and not just some hobby I dedicate one hour a day to if I'm not tired from working retail. I'm terrified, tired, I don't know if I should take a break maybe but I've stayed 'quit' for a month and it did nothing for me. I had a brief interval where I tried to open another tumblr / insta but I couldn't post a single thing and so yesterday I deleted everything again. Why does it have to be so fucking stressful, I just want to draw like I used to for 5 years. Fuck me.

>>3180186
Make blogs again with the most retarded nickname you can think of, like "PonyCumlol" or some shit and fucking draw without your ego linked to that shit. Experiment all these shits you said you had to cut down and get them out no matter what. If someone tells you it's shit tell them to eat horse cum and fuck a goat.

i have no confessions but i want to know why you """"""artists"""""" are all so weird and gay. i havent met a single artist online or irl that i didn't find to be weird or autistic.

>>3180200
I'm sure it's just about confirmation bias, artists who are obviously autistic will get more exposure. There are, I'm sure, many artists who are shy about their profession, or people like me who look outwardly normal and keep their decades of anguish safely bottled up.

>>3180203
You *think* you look outwardly normal but you'd be surprised how well people especially girls can see through that vs

>>3180200
You have to be weird and autistic to stay this much inside and work on your skills, instead of living life like a normal human being.

>>3179280
Set aside 1 hour a day to draw or even your day off (if possible), set a cooking timer or alarm. I'm sure you'll make something you're happy with (or some progress) in that time, but I can relate. I have projects (paintings mostly) that I'm forced to set aside for months because I get so zoned that nothing else seems important, although unfortunately, this isn't true. I feel so wrecked from having to deal with duties when my soul yearns only to be better at art.

>>3180186
I know it's a bitch to learn, but if you can master the fundamentals and always continue to learn, making the kind of art you want to make will come naturally. Artists before us (and currently) have left us with a tremendous wealth of information about this. You can always look to the great masters for that sense of childlike wonder, even knowing you're not capable of producing anything like them. They all once aspired to do exactly what you want to also and most likely faced all the same insecurities. There will always be greater artists we envy, but not in a hopeless and desperate way necessarily, not forever.

Wait until you're making work you hope the world will see.

I entered college in a animation course without knowing anything jack shit about art, I also used to be one of those what-the-fuck-is-special-about-art.jpg type of person before starting college.

By some miracle, I passed all my classes until my final two terms, learning how to draw with non stop life drawing classes. (I would literally sit-in 3 times a week from 8am to 9pm straight for an entire year) after doing all that, my art skills is at least mediocre. With only my thesis film in-between me and getting out of school is when I majorly fuck up.

I used to smoke pot really lightly when I was juggling my art studies but I ended up smoking a shit ton and getting into drinking benders again and again (not helping that my roommates was my skate buddies) not being able to do anything significant in art at all, all being content in my own bubble of lazing about.

What ended up being what was supposed to be two months became two years. I lost motivation in improving my skills and kinda auto piloted into getting sidetracked out of my responsibilities.

Another year, a few failed terms, a lot of rejected thesis proposals and a handful of acid trips. I started to get a grip on myself and became aware of my denial(s).

I moved out of the city and back into my hometown. I jump started my art path and my thesis, re-learning fundamentals that I ignored back then.

I honestly regret all the time, energy and resources I spent on drugs, easy fun, fake friends and dumb shit that I could have applied to art studies and building my professional career.
I wish I became more aware earlier of my fucking egotistical and narcissistic view of my work, my useless pride that brought me nowhere but to blind ruin. FUCK, I hate all the shit I've done, but now, I hope I might serve as a warning and a reminder to other artists to put your time and effort wisely, and to pick up your pen and never look back.

Sorry for the long post. I had this inside me for a long time.

>>3180354
I'm 30 and I had the same experience, I feel like I wasted my life and now it's too late for me to catch up 'cause I have too many responsibilities. I wish I didn't waste all the time I did.

>>3180375
I feel you man, but I never want to think that it's ever too late. I realized it's only too late if I stopped trying at all.

Right now I'm trying to give it my all, because I really hit rock bottom. When you're down there you really wanna reach up to the light.

>>3176704
Same but my drawings come out good though just with a little bit of time

how do I deal with tilt? Yesterday I was doing a gesture exercise and everytime I messed a proportion big time I got really stressed, to the point I started slamming my table. After a few of these I had a small cut at the side of my hand, but I wouldn't allow myself to stop out of fear of never overcoming this, and now my sketchbook has bloodstains over a few pages.

I simply feel like I shouldn't be making mistakes like these anymore, and I hate myself over it. I try to calm myself and think what exactly I'm doing wrong so I can promptly fix it but I can't focus and can only think of breaking things for a while. I can't take a break out of guilt and it's hard to have fun with other things because I don't draw enough.

Thought I was getting better quickly, different from everyone else. Even though I always thought I didnt matter at all and I'm nobody, and I have nothing to feel special about I let my guard down and thought that my art was good for a second, that I was getting better at it faster than everyone else.

Yesterday my friend wanted me to draw a face. I drew it, he looked dissatisfied, I was dumbfounded and asked why but he said its something else, then one of his friends came out. He laughed at it and said "wtf is that thats shit" and laughed a bit more. I felt so fucking bad.

It was a good reality check though, to be honest. I'm still in high school but I feel like I was late to start drawing and pursuing a professional career on art. I cant predict life, so I'll just try to live the day to the fullest and see how it works out. Fuck, I feel so bad when I start drawing now. I cant seem to get his expression and laughing out of my head.

>>3180593
Do you have the comfort to take a whole week off? If you have, do it. That kind of thing always happens, whatever career you are pursuing. You will hit a wall and think you never get better at it, but you are getting better, trust me. After a week or after getting fired up for some drawing sit down, and draw. You'll break through that wall with time, and your art will improve a lot.

Just calm down. Theres no reason to bang your head over the table...

>>3180598
your art is probably bad, but not super bad. You gotta realize that regular ppl can't differentiate levels of badness and they'll always use something very good (or dumb if they have shit taste) as a standard to compare, and unless you attain a certain level you'll always be laughed at.

That said, tying your motivation to praise is stupid, a crutch and something that will fuck you in the ass (in a non pleasurable way). Think of what you want to represent, the kind of art that makes you have non-sexual orgasms, and work towards it. That's way better motivation than pure peer recognition.

>>3180604
hand*, haha not quite insane yet. But thanks, I'll think about it. I actually have all the time in the world, and it actually puts more pressure on me to work all the time. I'll try to think of a healthy break and make sure I put extra effort when I come back (a big problem currently is waste a lot of time instead of fully focusing so I don't relax or really produce a lot).

>>3180605

Thanks for the tip. Especially your last 2 sentences, I feel like I realized something important. Thanks, again.

I think that perspective is one of the most neglected drawing skill in this current time because a lot of artists avoid perspective because of the "perspective is hard" meme, and so they don't make an effort to learn it. But in actuality it's a skill that they could've, and can develop at anytime.

>>3170659
I completely forgot how to draw after taking art class for years and thought you had to draw with your elbow straight.

>>3170907
>Too many people here seem to think that digital painting is the end-all, be-all of the art world, and that if you don't do this type of work then you're not a legitimate artist.
Question about this. Is there any chance of making money from art in traditional mediums besides selling "fine art"?

I've watched a David Choe interview where he said out of college he got a job in LA drawing movie posters; i guess a lot of media shit was actually hand drawn and then digitized.

But now with the spread/improvements of computer, software and drawing tablets i dont see that being true anymore. Not a bad thing imo, you can still do most of the stuff by hand then digitize and modify it a little....Just wondering if this is the norm now; seems like you basically have to learn how to use a tablet and PS/AI if you plan to make money with art

I want to be at a point where I can draw almost everything fairly well without constantly copying things from reference. I don't really expect drawing to be my job but still I want to be GUD at drawing my waifus and shiet.

Because of that I started to force myself to draw every day. I do it for 4 months now and I lost almost all joy from doing it. I can feel that I'm slowly starting to hate drawing. There are days where I just draw a couple of thots and some gestures for like 30 minutes and I leave it. Drawing starts to be a chore to me, I do it every day just to have it out of my way.

Reading Loomis and Scott Robertson's books or any other books like that was always interesting to me. Now it makes me want to vomit, I can't stand reading them. Whenever I see pdf's of these books on my desktop I want to take a pencil and stab myself a couple of times with it.

Drawing is the only thing in my life that I truly am passionate about and something that I want to work on improving. I always enjoyed doing it but now I'm starting to hate it. This breaks my heart.

WHAT SHOULD DO /IC/?

>>3180792
>WHAT SHOULD DO /IC/?
git gud

>>3180792
>I started to force myself to draw every day. I do it for 4 months now
Also keep doing the daily.

>>3180792
>Drawing is the only thing in my life that I truly am passionate about and something that I want to work on improving. I always enjoyed doing it but now I'm starting to hate it.
>I want to be at a point where I can draw almost everything fairly well without constantly copying things from reference.
Find something new to learn to draw then, faggot.

>>3180811
>>3180813
That's the plan, it's just the unbearable frustration that's making me want to an hero.

>>3180815
I don't know how my post made you think that I draw constantly the same things. Anon, are you possibly a DUMMY?

>>3180792
Draw something for fun for a change.

>>3180824
It's kind of funny that I actually have forgotten about doing something like that.
Thanks, I will do that.

>>3179840
Please save your laptop. One day you'll be richer and the art can be recovered.

>>3170795
Why are you even fucking here then?

I really wish i had the balls to draw in public, but im too shy and worried about what other people think about me

>>3180089
literally just draw every day nigger
theres a thread and site just for that on this board
the only way, the ONLY way to make it to being not shit, is by fucking up a lot and doing stacks and stacks of shit drawings

How many sketchbooks have you filled, while thinking about how to make each drawing a little better than the last, trying to learn from your mistakes? How big is an average room, like 10ft x 12ft? And 8-9ft tall?
Imagine getting a stack of just printer paper and filling the pages. Now try stack that pile of paper up to the ceiling. Now try fill the entire room with stacks of paper, clean stacks from floor to ceiling.
That's how you reach KJG tier levels. But just a stack or two from floor to ceiling will make you not shit.

>>3176759
Same ;_;

>>3179911
>I thought that making friends with other artists would be easier for me than making friends with non-artist people

Just because you share the same field doesn't mean you'll get along, and it also depends on the school because each school has its own culture and the type of people they attract. Even though I was treated like shit at the first art school I've been at (well, working there), I've gotten along well with people at small ateliers and at Art Center. If you find a place with artists genuinely focused on their craft, instead of some daycare in disguise for trust fund babies who don't know what to do with their lives, you'll make friends there. So, it may or may not be you.

Since you're already at your school, focus on your craft instead, and other hardworking and honest people will be drawn to you.

>>3180914
I don't know shit about computers but the internet says i can take out the hard drive and recover it with an external hard drive enclosure, god i hope it works

The only thing I know how to draw are cute anime girls.
But I hate anime, and I don't like girls.
I wish I could draw and paint landscapes and beautiful men instead.

Hey /ic/, I don't know if any of you are in the same situation, but I'm stuck.

How do I deal with the fact that I will never become a good artist? I dreamed to work in the industry one day doing cool projects but I think I'm just not fit for it. I'm trying to look away from that dream by working on other things I like, (studying biology) but nothing compares to my love for art and stories.

How the FUCK do I just get over with it? Depression is kicking hard because of this.

>>3181203
By telling that fact to go fuck itself and you then work super hard to become a good artist.

>>3181216
screenshoted

>>3181203
I'd go for studying the sciences so you can get a job to afford time for your hobbies. If you haven't been to university, you really underestimate the amount of spare time you have in between classes (as long as you're not doing engineering or something and that time is spent in study groups or doing homework.) In my first year, I had almost too much spare time and the amount of really shitty art I made was staggering.

If you want to make comics or something, find a group that thinks you and your ideas are cool and maybe makes comics themselves.

Only you can be the limitation for how good at art you can become. Even if you wanted to study art at a school, you're really limited by the amount of effort you're willing to input to learn concepts by yourself, which you'll mostly be doing. Professors aren't paid to teach but to preach. If you want to study without going to an art school, you have to also be really independent and determined and not faff about playing games all day.

If anything, going to school for something other than art will delay the amount of time you have to make this decision, and if in the four-ish years it takes you to graduate you become professional-level, then you can try to pursue something not related to your other degree. Additionally, if you'd like to take art classes, make sure your university has open enrollment to art classes that allow students outside of the arts colleges to take them; otherwise you're out of luck.

>>3181234
Yeah, I guess it seems more simple than I think it is. I have to go for a mastes tho, so where I live I will have to study 5 years starting from now. And I'm in uni but I don't have a lot of time for drawing, I'm considering dropping all social activities for it. Thanks for the reply.

>>3181216
you too

>>3181243
sorry I type like a retard here's another fox

>>3181170
>I wish I could draw and paint landscapes and beautiful men instead.

Go and do it then, what's stopping you? The reason why you're not good is because you didn't invest enough time drawing those. Easily fixable.

>>3180089
I always keep this image saved for when I see the one you posted. Do you want me to post some stuff that is a year apart of art grinding from me so you feel better?

>>3180792
give it a break for a month or two. You sound burned out, I think having passion and enjoying what you are doing is worth the hit to your skill from taking a little time off.

I get really worried when people comment on "my style" because I don't know what my style is.

Lately I've been thinking that I'm not "creative" in the sense that I don't have good ideas. I'm not even a terrible artist though what I want to convey is obviously limited due to lack of fundamental knowledge. I worry that even though I will get my fundies down I'll still be a boring uncreative person whose art nobody likes. I've been spending aftertoons thinking about or reminding myself why did I get into drawing in the first place. "Oh, you've been doing it since a kid blah blah" but what is it that I like? What is my style?

I would read anons comments on this site and people would say "I like your style" then I'd look back at what I do and I can't really see a style. People like the usual annoying namefags here have a style despite having terrible drawing skills. But their art gets tons of notes and my stuff goes almost unnoticed. I'm getting older and my tastes are changing. The artists I liked 5 years ago I don't like anymore. I was thinking maybe "style" is just interests and what one normally draws conveyed in a specific way. I need to work on that just as more as the fundamentals.

Sometimes I wish I was that random deviantart kid with 100 favorites on his shitty anime doodle and a bunch of people commenting on how "great it is xD". But the other half of me is saying "no, fuck that just get good first. Be the silent rogue that comes out of nowhere; don't worry about likes."

I was afraid of and obsessed with drawing. I saw it as magic, more or less.

Yesterday I finally admitted it wasnt anything like that. Ive finally drawn enough to get over my fear at least partially, and now I understand that it is just a technical skill. It could be because Im not a kid anymore and my mind is starting to gravitate around money. Or I could just be feeling disheartened but I dont think so.

My mental image of the act of drawing has definitely deflated. I just feel silly because I thought back to those days where I drew maybe one or two rushed sketches and became exhausted and nervous. What was going through my mind? That I was engaging in some monumental task?

A new branch grew, where I can now actually fathom the choice of saying that I dont like drawing. I wont say it, but this was extremely taboo before, so its new to even consider.

One important thing about drawing that Im finally accepting is that the viewer has just as much ownership over your art as you. Not legally lol but just that in every step of the creation process, the viewer must be considered. This is opposed to being self obsessed with your strokes, seeing genius in everything you do and all that b.s. Nobody lives and works alone. Take illastrat. He might be emboldened by his immediate community, but his art inspires hatred online. Not because of his race and not even his attitude, but people hate him because they see his paintings and know the strokes used were just placed as "good enough" by illastrat. And nobody likes being treated like an idiot that will eat up another artists "good enough."

You need to take a lot of care in your art for the viewer. That is how people love your shit. They see respect radiating from it. Give respect, get respect. If you just make drawings as totems to your own genius then youll draw in the most worthless fans if any at all.

And if youre a narcissist like me, that may take a while to swallow.

>>3170732
stop frogposting and make a library of anime reaction images instead. I guarantee you you'll feel better about your life in no time.

also what the other anons said, don't blame yourself too hard for your failures, analyze your problems and work on solutions for the future, implement them as well as you can. that's good enough.

>>3173836
I sometimes have times where I just waste days reading eroges when I want to be doing something productive. Shit sucks, but it goes away again after a while.

For the first time in 3 years I feel confortable fo not drawing in an entire day. I'm really worried and I think I got out of love from art in a way. I want to love drawing again and feel addicted to it. I haven't drawn this less since I started drawing seriously.
Kell mi

>>3181466
>>3181647
STYLES DO NOT HAVE NAMES

STYLE IS JUST HOW YOU DRAW, THAT’S FUCKING IT

>>3170659
90% of the time I want to do art I end up being too lazy and all my art dreams just sit there unstated.

>>3182195
>tfw been drawing almost every single day for a while now
>can actually not understand procrastination anymore
It's about the most absurd thing I can ever think of now.
>I do it only when I feel like it!
What is this craziness? I just don't understand it anymore. It's even crazier when you realize this is a meme in itself that a ton of people actually say like they're proud of it.
>I'm always procrastinating but when I want to get things done they get done
The hell is going on?

>>3182202
cringe, faggot

>itch to art digitally
>invidia murdered my desktop long ago
>laptop though
>no desk
>ottoman though
>hunching and limited workspace
>stretching for them keypresses
>this hurts
>everything hurts
>always
>have nothing to say anyway
>stare blankly at phone until death?

I'm improving fast but I'm not actually drawing that much. I only really notice gains after a night of drawing really drunk or having a lot of sex. That's how I leaned to draw the figure. My boyfriend's happy about it but I can't really share the experience with other artists.

>believe that the only way for a drawing to look perfect is if every single small detail is accurately constructed regardless of whether it looks good good or not
>spend the past 8 months not finishing anything due to stress and frustration from planning how every shape fits with one another
To put it another way, my way of thinking when drawing has been all kinds of messed up

>>3182459
Ngmi

>>3182650
I am currently in this state and I didn't know this was a problem. Don't you improve much faster if you do that instead of finishing turds?

When I really think about it, the reason why I do art is because being really good at it would be cool.

>>3182996
Same, I wanna bring life to the characters moving in my head

I was able to pee at a urinal with a chad and a geezer behind me I was thinking of peeing on a waifu I might draw waifu getting peed on now

I like drawing furries but not porn of furries. I've drawn maybe two or three somewhat saucy pictures ever but with no genetalia showing or sex scenes and yet those (along with the odd fan art) get more attention that the rest of my stuff. I'm sure if I did furry porn I would get online commissions out the ass but it just has zero appeal to me. I have however discovered some artists who do strictly clean work who make decent dosh though so I hope to someday get on their level.

I stopped drawing for a year after my dad died because I was depressed as fuck about everything but I started back up again a few months ago and draw every day. I am seeing some improvement but it's slow. I doubt myself a whole lot but I'm doing my best to power past it and draw every day even if it's for 10-20 minutes. I guess that's all.

>>3183284
me too, furries are just fun to draw but I can't see them as anything sexual. You'll at least find a couple clients even if you do nonsexual furry commissions.

Sorry about your dad. You already won half the battle by starting to draw again, now the other half is to keep going.

I'm scared of showing my drawings because I know I suck and I refuse to show something unworth of myself to others and the only person to who I show them is my psychologist because she doesn't have the right to talk about them outside
How do I get over it ? I've tried to git gud but it just keep deepening my feeling of being a worthless artist

>>3183777
Easy, just show it. See if anyone says anything, if you get bullied, go cry a bit then wipe your tears away and accept your skill level. After that, go back to studying because you won't suck forever unless you don't try.

I only want to draw because drawfags are the most liked on 4chan

This was really hard to swallow before. I assumed I wanted to make a life for myself.

>>3184338
So you don't want to make a life for yourself

>>3184353
I dont, not really. I think as I was, I only wanted replies. Them (You)s. My mind wasnt thinking beyond that, like specialization, portfolios, reels, whatever. I literally wanted to make quick content for this basket weaving forum so replies can show up on my posts.

I went thru some other thinking after that. Decided I have better ways to contribute to society and earn a living.

4chan can keep you down if you let it.

>>3184338
have you realized after coming here that drawfags are not the nicests?

I've been posting aggressively on /ic/ lately because of stress and it's unfair to other anons.

>>3171937
Fine. I’ll do it you piece of shit.

>>3170661
There's an old saying along the lines of 'Those who can't do, teach' it's like a stab at all the bad teachers who can't work in their field. It's a broad brush, but has truth. Art critics and art history majors are the worst form of that. I feel your pain, buddy. They only know how to deconstruct, but don't know that it is only the first part of the process. You then have to reassemble what you deconstructed. 'solve et coagula'
There are those that still pursue artistic endeavors for it's original, imo true, purposes. But, for the most part it seems that you have to make a choice on whether you want art as a commodity, for money, or art as an exploration of the divine creation, for self improvement. There may be a balance there, I have yet to find it. But I think that anything you feed into the 'art as a commodity' beast only causes it to grow.

I practice every day but sometimes, when I'm tired, I just whip out some reference pictures, place my paper over my monitor and make some markings so I don't have to worry about proportions, like one a human figure I mark down things like top of the head, belly button, crotch, elbows, and knees with a small dot.
It isn't tracing but it still feels like cheating, having a simple foundation just makes things so much easier.

Though I really try not to do this too often.

>>3174378
>>3174785
I do a lot of fetish work as well and there generally a kind lot, not that I haven't had a literal autistic spaz give me trouble but I can usually spot those now and just decline to work with those. sounds like your attitude is the problem here.

I've been drawing for 15+ years and when I draw heads I mess up sometimes even to this day...

>>3185256
It's okay Sakimichan does too

I have no idea how to come up with anything original and can not draw something unless it's right there in front of me and I can only copy it (I don't show anyone my "ART" because it's literally a copy of someone else's work) It's always been like this with me since I wanted to start drawing. I don't understand how someone can create an original character or work. It blows my mind. How do I get out of this hell?

>>3185329
It's easy. Just draw from memory.

>>3185331
I've been trying to figure that out for years and if I have learned anything it's that drawing from memory is one of the hardest things to do. When I try I find myself just not knowing how the thing in my memories looks. I started wanting to draw because of Adventure Time and thought that since I've seen PB 1,000 times I'd know how to draw her. And it's been downhill from there.

>>3185340
read/watch these:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEgCsWyOyCo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfIj5vb7oSY
>http://prrb.tumblr.com/post/30177790499/shrimp-method
>https://tamberella.deviantart.com/art/How-to-Draw-ANYTHING-594318716

>>3185329
>I don't understand how someone can create an original character or work. It blows my mind.
thanks for the indirect compliment anon

None of my followers retweet any of my pictures and I don't know why.

It's extra depressing when I see them retweet my retweets.

>>3185340
creativity is a skill to be practiced like any other. don't draw from memory, that ends up in sybmol drawing.

I feel like this place is one of the worst toxic shitholes that an artist can go into and even if they get good crit will most likely end up tilted and have a shit mindset going into drawing.

I also think that the most important thing is that you keep drawing. Fuck the rules, fuck this overrated grinding the fundies bullshit, just find what you love to draw and do that, fuck everything else.

>>3185500
Or you can just lurk and not post but learn from other's mistakes?... That's what I do anyway. It's cowardly but it works.

>>3185500
"Do your fundies" is the battle cry of the uneducated. They can't offer more, because they usually haven't progressed past that themselves. They shit on formal art education, but they fail to realize, "fundies" is usually covered in the first semester of art education, and students move past that and into the higher steps. That's why a formal art setting can take a student from beginner (although some experience is usually required/hoped for) to ready-to-work in 4 years, while the development of the "fundies" crowd often shows basically stagnation over that same time period. Art education is far more than "fundies', it's a path, and the teachers guide you down it. That's why there's no real wisdom or advice here for developing style, or using and improving creative skills. In that void, a bunch of know-it-all probable neckbeards have latched onto some piss poor versions of what they think art education is, and have perverted a critique, which is a discussion between a student/teacher or group, into a "grind your fundies" blow off by people who don't know more than that. Then throw in OCD types who think rigid schedules will unlock their "git gud" aims. It's all pretty laughable. This isn't art education, this is a refined echo chamber for shitposters, trolls, and neckbeards, on the most infamous site on the internet for shitposters, trolls, and neckbeards. Once in a while a real student comes along, and some of us try to help them, amid the "Grind fundies" and "ngmi" douchebags.

And yes, pick up the pencil. Use it. That alone is more than this place will ever offer.

>>3178332
UIX is the field right now. The industry is screaming for good UIX developers/designers. Mobile is also in extremely high demand. "Graphic Design" is a broad field - used to be print production oriented, but that's dying, it's switched to all HTML/CSS based design. If you can code/work with Javascript, even better. For long term employment, go for marketing and design for that - some print, some online, some UIX. There are more corporate gigs for that.

>>3178885
Then you're probably more cut out to be a #D artist, which is a growing and thriving field. Forget blender, learn Maya and Zbrush, and you're employable.

>>3185500
I only do grind fundies occasionally, and only when I feel like it. Which is like 5-10 days a month or something but I felt that doing things when I feel doing it makes my gains far better than forcing it down through my throat. We're fucking humans and fuck the slave mentality to fundamentals.

>>3185530
Thx for the advice, I was looking toward coding but I also enjoy seeing nice UIs so it's another path to look forward to.

>>3180740
Nope. People make money doing traditional forms of art. The kind of work that's popular here can be found in magazines like Juxtapoz, and can lead you to the galleries that show and sell that kind of art. There are literally millions of galleries around the world who sell traditional art. There are publishing companies who buy traditional art for posters. Hell, there's a German poster publisher that buys manga-style art, at http://butter-and-cream.eshop.t-online.de/.. A lot of conceptual artists in the game and movie industry still use traditional media. Book covers, album covers, product illustration, all of it still has traditional work being done.

Your problem is you don't know the extents of the fine art market. You're basing your premise on ignorance. Yes, a lot of commercial art is digital now, especially movie posters, but there are still some being done with paint. One I can think of off the top of my head is Jason kincaid, who did a Dr. Strange movie poster for Marvel.

I'm attempting to become a comic artist.

My work is above average, but not DC or Marvel tier.

I'm afraid I won't be good enough.

Young anon here, still living and dependant on my parents to make sure I don't die of no money. For months I've been hiding from them the fact that I stopped taking college classes and really don't plan to go back. Shame to admit but I only took 1 art class back in Spring, it was okay but I hated having to work on a huge drawing pad with only charcoal, I thought I should be focusing instead on drawing with my graphic pad and working on art subjects that would directly supplement my career choice instead of having to do giant still life studies every week. Realized since then most of the subjects taught I could learn in depth online instead so since then I've been self studying, took it up a bit more seriously back in August. I've read through dozen art books(Loomis, Bridgman, Hogarth, Scott McCloud, Ron Tiner, Michael Hampton), have binged dozens of online art video tutorials(Proko, CtrlPaint, Sycra,KJG's vids, moderndayjames, KNKL, BobbyChiu/Schoolism) and have been trying my best to start drawing daily and work through basic fundie exercises.
I definitely feel my visual library and intuition improving, as well as my art in general, but none the less I'm still uncertain of when I should ever approach my parents and tell them that I gave up on college and decided instead to try and become a comic book writer/artist. I already know they wouldn't support my choice(they already call my art studies a waste of time whenever they spot trying to focus on artwork) and probably would never change their mind until my art brought home a 4-5 figure paycheck, but since I'm still pretty /beg/(not to mention I decided to enter the comics industry of all things) I know it's gonna be a long time before I can make serious money through this. I don't know if any Anon out there can provide advice, just wanted this off my chest and onto here.

>>3185555
Maybe it's just cause I have a taste for Jap comics instead, but go to a comic book shop and go through everything on the shelf before you think "DC or Marvel tier" is something outside of anyone's grasp.
A ton of the art is laughable and mediocre at best, there's hundreds of published comics out there where you just have to scratch your head over the fact that some of the shit was actually published.

Honestly, just start studying your ass off with figure drawing, landscapes/backgrounds, and perspective if you need a place to start. Learn to manage your time and simulate that you have deadlines to meet. Whenever you're ready, start drawing comics, no better practice than drawing what you want to be making for a living. These days, comic book companies don't even want a portfolio or manuscript anymore, they want you to hand them a full comic to see if you're worth hiring. Work towards that and I'm sure your effort will pay off Anon.

>>3185562
>I don't know if any Anon out there can provide advice

We sure can! If you come clean or get caught, even if they don’t kick you out, they’re probably going to make you waste your time on some bullshit degree. So keep lying to your parents for as long as you can get away with it. If they really cared about you, anyway, they’d support your passion.

You’re gonna make it.

>>3185528
They always answer all your question with either the name "Vilppu" or "Loomis" like it's just that easy because they don't actually have good advice. And when you even suggest that those two names aren't enough they call you a troll or tell you, "you could be spending this time drawing right now." Vilppu and Loomis are cop-out answers.

>>3185578
Or, the best cop out, "post your work." When a troll posts that, I know then exactly what and who I'm dealing with.

>>3185581
>can’t post his work

>>3185581
I don't think it's unwarranted when you're the one giving crit and/or flinging shit

>>3185595
Only if you're butthurt and trying to attack my authority, and not the content of what I'm saying. It's a well known craven tactic by cowards. My work has no bearing in a critique if what I'm saying is valid. Someone can critique, and not be an artist, many art judges and critics and teachers are often not artists themselves.

The only way my work would be valid is if I were making claims about my talents and abilities. And, if this wasn't the most toxic playground on the internet, I'd feel more comfortable linking my private and published art here, but not in the context to "prove" anything - that's how children think, and I'm an adult.

>>3181017
I want to draw in public so bad but I’m so beta and I care so much about what people think that I never do

>>3185612
I want to draw and play guitar around people too but just can't. I'm already judging myself enough, even when someone is watching how I'm doing they are still judging it on sone level, though likely not maliciously. I already know I'm shit. No one else must know.

>>3185619
One day I’ll just not give a shit and do it. I just don’t want to feel like a fag going to a coffee shop and staring at people to draw then have them them comming to see and thinking I’m autistic because it looks like dog shit.

>>3181017
>>3185612
>>3185619
>>3185625
isnt one of the reasons KJG is so good is because he's been drawing with people around all his life? I suppose if you drew a ton in school then youd be used to it. Being afraid to draw in public means lost gains, no one will really care what youre doing t b h

I daydream about drawing and creating characters all day but when I get home I have no fucking motivation To draw at all. It's so fucking tiring and tedious thinking about how good I need to be to draw the shit I want

>>3171523
fuck off to reddit you faggot, enjoy your upvotes and username and retarded user friends. I spit on you cancer

My depressions caused by being lonely are literally killing me. I haven't picked up a pen in two weeks and I'm not sure what needs to happen for me to do something about it. Right now I wouldn't mind dropping dead.

>>3185562
Agree with the other anon, lie as long as possible. Make sure you're as good as possible. The better you are, the more power you hold. Although, do you mean a European comic book writer/artist? Or an American one?

>>3185619
That's why we have the internet. You can post your artwork and nobody will know who you are and they won't lie to you. Or the lies they tell you will either make you actually grow.

>>3185500
>Fuck the rules, fuck this overrated grinding the fundies bullshit

Waaaaah, I want big muscles but fuck eating big and fuck lifting weights!

I want to draw gyaku ryona and uncanny lolis but I don't want to lose my friends

>>3186007
why lonely? come join us on discord

>>3186388
Yeah def not the same, that's the same as just not drawing, silly

Here's some fucking advice. Make drawing/art your God. Submit to it, please this god.

>>3186389
Which one though

>>3185567
A-arigato...gaozaimasu

>>3170659
i just want to kill myself anon... i just don´t have the guts to do it.
>feelsbadman.jpg

>>3186049
I'm in America, although I don't really have an interest in become a slave for DC or Marvel and feed their hold on the industry(Tho I wouldn't mind writing a Superman or Batman graphic novel). Would much rather work for some of the independent publishers out there like Image or Dark Horse. Wouldn't mind trying the self publishing route through internet either but I'd also enjoy having an income.

I do plan on lying as long as possible, but at the same time I've got to get to grinding and pumping out finished work because by the time this upcoming Summer rolls around, that's more or less the time I should've been getting my AA; that'll definitely arise my parents suspicions and I'll have to come clean or like, fake documents saying I still have more credits to complete for my AA.

I worked as a communications engineer for 28 days on a gas production platform (not IT, cables and other shit) for 3 years since 2014. All these years I tried to draw as I could, the job did not bring any pleasure, and I kept dreaming about the work of the freelancer illustrator. All 2017 I did not draw, due to problems at work and in life - I found a girl and decided to quit my job finally (did it last august). I'm working to be a freelance illustrator, I don't want to be some hot top Artstation shit - 1000$/month will do for me at the start at least.
I have savings for about 1.5 years, I draw every day, but from time to time I am surrounded by panic attacks from what I have done with my life and that all this may not work and I will remain with nothing - I can not settle for such good stable work with such a break, I literally cut myself all the way and burned bridges. I also didn't tell my parents - renting an apartment in another city, I lie to them and they think they son is doing alright, they are happy.

Sometimes I have feelings really the opposite to panic attacks - joyful spirit of calmness while I draw.

When I just started make my firtst stick figures I gave critiques left and right, now I really ever post anything, and If I give a critique I do it always in cheerful way, because I think ingaging in others strive to go on is all that matters, even thou they art may not be good.

I envy catbib and love his art with all my heart. I regret I wasn't around to see his CA.org thread in the time.

>>3186591
You're going to make it. Good luck.

>>3186591
>for 28 days shifts
fix

>>3186571
>Not accepting you're already dead
>not accepting that with the fact you will die, you should just draw and git gud

Avoid all (((things))) that sap you
Porn, western arts, the media, junk food

These things make you shit, cutting this crap out, you'll find so much energy.

>>3186591
I'm literally going through a very similar situation, so know I'm out there rooting for you bud. We will make it.

>>3187328
Jesus christ, that room looks like a drunken carnival puked on it. How the hell can you focus when every fucking inch of the room is a total distraction? Just looking at it in a picture makes me jittery, like I chugged an entire pot of coffee.

>>3170659
I've been looking for something like this thread.

Can't draw anymore, don't know why. Don't have anything a really want to draw. Can't finish anything. Working on one picture a few sessions every week just to eventually get to a point where I don't understand what to do with it anymore or what I'm even doing with it now. My construction suck, but I don't even care for it and when I paint with colors (shich is kinda fun), I'm unable to turn it into a finished picture.

I would say I suck as an artist, but that wouldn't have been a problem if still had something that would have excited me in the process. The only things I can do is scribbling or making some concept out of vivid colors that goes nowhere.

Anyone has similar experience?

>>3187564
Right here, anon. Thinking about putting in a ton more effort this coming week to make something great.

>>3187568
Have you found any solutions?

>>3187328

that room looks very "lived in".

>>3187564
what a fine doggo

>>3187574
The final solution

What I do is deny myself something until I do it.

>>3187586
As in, I'll deny something easy and nice, watching some shit, eating something nice, yadda yadda only until I do the task needed.

You won't die if you do that. You will fail, you will fail so many times, but each time you fail you're removing a layer untill you get to the sweet spot.

I work in 3D arts professionally. I failed so many fucking times, I dunno why I never quit. Maybe because I saw the pros and I knew they went through the same thing. When you get paid for art or have people really praise it, you can't buy that feeling mang.

>>3187586
That's dumb. Instead of finding a solution you're just giving up.

>>3187591
I corrected my post here my man
>>3187590

I only realised what I said until I posted it.

>>3187593
>I corrected my post here my man
Ah. I thought you're talking about suicide. 4chan sometimes make you apply really weird filters to pretty innocent posts.

>>3170660
You need to get good in a year?most important rule is the following:draw every day,no matter if you do a 2 minutes shit scribble,as long as you never miss a day,ever

now that youre drawing every day,you need to separate the skill of drawing and the skill of observation,that a lot of people completely ignore,but it is necessary,since your ability to accurately perceive reality through your eyes is vital to an skilled artist,try to pay attention to your surroundings,try to visually capture as much information as you can.When you actually sit down and get to drawing,focus on thinking if what youre drawing looks 3D or 2D,think of drawing as sculpting in paper

ive been saying for the past year that i'm really content with life and how i draw but i think i reached a tipping point were i realized ive been lying about it.
i mean my stuff isnt bad or good but. sometimes i feel awful about it and myself. maybe im bipolar. i started crying at work for no reason the other day lmao.

working on a little project atm that hopefully will give me some purpose

>>3188282
It's just a hobby isn't it

>>3188290
hmm yeah,
something I do fairly ok. maybe I feel like I'm obligated to do it now

>>3170659
I was intern at a small video game studio for half a year or so, but the only thing that improved there was my speed and I started abusing photobashing...including cutting shit from other peoples art and transforming it to my needs.
I am trying to continue my traditional practice and eradicate this horrible habit but whenever I am under deadline I am compelled to do it again.
I think I am not confident enough in my art and top of that I don't practice nearly enough.

>>3188304
>tfw photobashing is the drugs of the art world
>once you've done it, you want to do it again because it's so fast

>>3170907
You are a complete materialist and sour because more than half of /ic/ has more raw skill than you.

>>3188305
The worst thing is that I have nothing against photobashing or it's use in the industry, I believe that it's sadly a necessity especially under the retarded crunches and horrible deadlines...but I WANT to be better myself, even if I will have to use bashing eventually I want to become God-like, and using photoshop tricks will make me good at that and not at painting or drawing.

So I've been in a really bad depressive episode lately, and drawing just isn't fun or entertaining anymore. The thought of picking up the pencil and moving it is almost disgusting. Even if I force myself I just stop after about 5 minutes because what I drew is complete garbage. The problem is, I had just started to start improving before I hit this depression. How am I supposed to keep up my skills if my brain just won't get into a drawing mood? The antidepressants I'm on don't work and I'm afraid that by the time I find some that maybe do, I'll have reverted back to drawing like a 4 year old.

>>3188459
>drawing just isn't fun or entertaining anymore
What was fun about art before for you?
>Even if I force myself I just stop after about 5 minutes because what I drew is complete garbage
>How am I supposed to keep up my skills if my brain just won't get into a drawing mood?
Draw your garbage and keep the expectation that nothing but garbage is going to come out for a while. Pick ONE simple and fun thing to work at improving. Do it over and over again until you get better at it or you'll have nothing but regrets.

>>3188573
It allowed me to express my feelings and fantasys on paper. I'll keep on keeping at it though, thanks.

>>3188282
>>3188295
Post something please, I'm curious. Doesn't have to be something where people can recognize you but something where we can at least see your skill.

The person that inspired me to draw completely abandoned me and I realized last year that they have no real interest in my actual art or seeing my improvement, just stroking theirs instead. Even asking for some art advice is a big annoyance to them. I don't think I wasted my time learning to draw, I just feel bummed out.

>>3188663
yknow I talk to a guy who goes on here and I don't really want him to see but fuck it

https://pre00.deviantart.net/acbf/th/pre/f/2017/290/a/5/we_stay_together_by_daethdrain-dbqv09s.png

honestly I don't think my drawings matter. they aren't the problem. I am

>>3188891
I had something similar happen to me this year. it's tricky to pick art friends and to navigating that friendship because in the long run a lot of them are more interested in the career part of it rather than the connection they can make with fellow artists.

don't worry anon you'll find some new great friends

>>3170659
once a year, i cut off communication with almost all of my friends for 6 months or so and all i do for that time is draw and play video games alone

>>3189148
>not doing this for years on end

>>3189149
yeah but

>>3171101
do you take inspiration from your workspace?

I hate anyone who says art is a hobby so they shouldn't have to improve. It's so tiring to hear this and to hear how nothing is original anymore.

>>3189152
I always hear the first one, but I actually don't hear the second one as much anymore. Or at least /ic/ doesn't mention it.

I think I've experienced not being depressed for about a month, during this time I've been able to draw everyday, actually put effort into it, had clear goals, didn't feel the need to fill the void with videogames or anything, I just did what I actually wanted to do: drawing. Now two days ago I woke up and was getting ready to go through the day like I was doing, draw and paint till I feel I've accomplished enough and then study a little, prepare for exams and such... but... I didn't, I just started feeling lethargic again, just really didn't feel like doing anything, like something in my head is missing, suddendly all I want to do is sleep or occupy my awake hours with mind numbing crap like videogames, youtube or whatever.
I don't even know anymore, I'm scared that this is inevitable, that I will never be able to draw consistently because my mental health doesn't allow me to.
Whatever, I just wanted to vent somewhere, wish me luck that I don't quit drawing for months like I've done countless times before.

>>3189137
I think there's a clear perspective problem in your drawing. Just my 2 cents. Hope you get to resolve your problems.

>>3189229
Make drawing that thing you do to feel good, although to do that you may have to draw in another style entirely

>>3186591
>>3187328
I can relate as well you aren't alone, keep going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAbmu30M2hk

>>3188459
>>3189229

just have fun bros

>>3189137

yeah it's in your head. you're actually doing fine.

>>3188891

You sure they abandoned you and that they're actually annoyed, or are you just imagining that? It could be that they're just busy with something in their life and may come back to you in the future. Friends come and go. I've had people even from /ic/ that I spoke to for years and the friendship just fizzes out, not because of any wrongdoing on either side, and months later we get back to talking again. Maybe you can start talking about non-art related things with this friend of yours, a good friendship is based on more than just having the same trade. Treat them as friends, not "art friends".

More people will come into your life. Think of all the future friends you'll meet.

OP please make a new thread when this one dies.

>>3185562
I was in the same boat as you only that I wasted 5 years fumbling around in an engineering degree (I'm a brainlet). What I did to get my family off my back while living at home is I drew porn in secret and racked up commissions. That way I have my own money and I can say that I'm going somewhere while I still hone my skills on the side, all the while never leaving the house. I just said that the money came from people wanting me to do portraits for them and I showed them my sketchbooks with studies if they get curious. I say I'm pretty decent (good enough for normies to throw me praise) so that convinces them in a way.

>>3189938
>>3185562
Oh and to add to your problem. I was also hiding the fact that I gave up hope with college. I just came clean with it one day. They are all disappointed for a while but they mellowed out and still let me live at home to work on my art. Still though, be prepared for the worst. If push comes to shove and you are kicked out, get a low income low skill job, rent a shitty apartment and draw in whatever free time you have left. It's gonna suck but it is an option.

I know no matter what I do, jealous faggots are going to give me shit about my paintings. Whether I did them with enough artistic merit or not... or if I can actually paint.

I want more apples.

>>3189926
Here >>3190653