/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Here is another drawing I made, this time for my little brother. It's the 4th drawing I made, after really attempting drawing.

I traced, because placing lines is fucking frustrating and I wanted to finish it in a reasonable time and not try it more than 1 time.

I however learned something interesting:

I really don't need to "finish" drawings, for maximum learning effect; what is most important for me now, is probably to capture the general gesture and proportion by observation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this may be a good place to start, right?

I got myself "The Natural Way To Draw" by Kimon Nicolaides, do you recommend it?

holy fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKLqxaZ-9E

>>3166254
You'll be that good in a couple years if you work hard.

>>3166255
I find greyscale painting to be really cancerous and not my thing though (as well as only being able to paint that well if I am literally copying 1:1 that sort of shit in a master study).

>tfw okay at loomis heads now
>still can't apply to reference or draw heads from observation for shit
help me

>>3166252
>really attempted drawing.
>traced
>I really don't need to "finish" drawings, for maximum learning effect
Stop

>I got myself "The Natural Way To Draw" by Kimon Nicolaides, do you recommend it?
You already bought it, would you chuck it in the bin if we told you it's shit?

>>3166263
Well, I """got""" it, what do you reccomend alternatively?
(I traced as to not totally fuck up proportions, I think I'll try some outline drawings, or just follow a book, if you recommend one?)
Pic related with drawn only with a reference without tracing.

Man I appreciate fun with a pencil a lot but I wish those first few pages weren't the way they are. That first experience of being given a "draw a face on a sphere" exercise and sitting there like "yeah I literally can't do that andy if I could I wouldn't be reading your book" was so disheartening, then all of a sudden it's like okay baby-mode over now lets construct human heads and combine shapes and the amount of information there is absolutely wonderful.

I guess it's meant to ease you in like teaching a child "see? drawing is FUN!!!" but I found myself thinking oh god I can't even do the basic shit what the fuck.

ref image is from the first few images when you google search knights

How do I into values?

>>3166263
Come on, tell me what book you would recommend.
>>3166265
The nose-part is a little long, but otherwise I think I did okay, let's see if I can get better at line placement and proportions.
Any crits apart from the feathers, where I got impatient?

>>3166261
Keys to drawing

>>3166339
You're absolutely deluded

Read the sticky or lurk more or just give up.

>>3166261
It happens to me that I can either copy from reference or do the loomis head thing. If I try to apply the construction method to a reference I'm observing everything goes to shit.

>>3166394
Well, *coughs blood* thanks.
But what do you think about the book?
"The Natural Way To Draw" by Kimon Nicolaides, do you recommend it?
Btw, I know, I am a beginner, I know I am shit, it looks like raw scratches, but I am glad it is even easily recognizable as a weathercock.

>>3166405
Pretty much anyone that wrote an artbook is better than everyone in this board. Whatever exercises it gives you it will help you, I doubt it will develop any harmful habits in the way you draw, and any drawing is better than no drawing.

For absolute begs it is mostly /ic/ advised to start with Keys To Drawing.

>>3166403
>>3166405
Also, crab bucket XDDDDDD
>>3166408
Okay, thanks, will look into the book "Keys To Drawing", if it is a book that you mean. If you mean just studying fundamentals (which I am in dire need of), excuse me for my misunderstanding.
I guess you comment puts my search for the "good" book into perspective.
You are right, I'll just have a go at it, and see if the book I already have is fun, and if I improve.
Thank you for your post, have a nice day! :D

Didnt realize last thread was dead. Sumi ink second attempt hit me with crits

How can I get a good Brush work? Any suggestions please.

I just about practice or is there a method and theory about it?

>>3166457

cheetahs are weird. they're put together funny.

if they were dogs, i would say they were suffering from overangulation in the rear but it seems to work for them

>tfw no scanner

how does one get good at faces?

I have been drawing for 15 years and I still have no idea what the fuck I am doing, seems repeating endless tutorials, gesture drawing, etc, is multiplying y cero since I have no innate talent.

Here for example, the brown haired girl has her hips all fucked up, I know they look wrong, but I don't know how is it supposed to look like.

If your a beginner should you do Hampton or Loomis first?

>>3166604
Keys

>>3166593
despicable
that art style is complete degenerative trash, the subject matter is disgusting too, end this or youself

>>3166593
How are you so good st backgrounds?

>>3166593
Go to alt or draw thread

>>3166610

I just copied the best I could some screenshot, it's all I can do copy, since there is no way to copy the girl's hips I don't know what the hell am i supposed to do, I could have done this pic perfectly if they were clothed for example.

>>3166609

No, it is fucking impossible and makes my head hurt!

>>3166616

go here >>3166323 They can help you.

Anyone got some good feet references in weird gestures?

>>3166534

>>3166778
Can I give you a crit?

I can hardly see your lines, and certainly not well enough to make out what you've drawn. Maybe use a thicker brush, or a upload a higher resolution and break the image up so we can see the lines you do have more clearly?

>>3166588
i'm working up to people

>>3166780

>>3166872
Shit I gave him a stubby nose

I´m working on this one
Would appreciate some critique

>>3166917
things that are fucked : face , ears ,mouth, eyes, colors, facial symetry, and a big part of the neck

things that aren't:

>>3166922
lol

Welp, gave up trying to measure everything about a quarter of the way through. No I payed the price with trash.

>>3166825
good to know i remain as terrible at drawing humans as ever

guess i'll keep practicing

Do i have to master drawing circles before I can start constructing heads?

HNNG I FUCKING HATE CIRCLES.

>>3167050
could always go square so you have clearly defined planes

>>3166590
draw them over and over and over - check out some of the old pros. there's tons of info on face construction around. learn the basics then experiment and do fun stuff.

>>3166965
It's not trash. The eyes are off though. The edge of right eye is really big in comparison to the other eye. What's your reference for the suit? The lower part of it looks slim for armor.

I'm not sure the angle of the jaw is right unless that's the style. It's really pushed in. It's not bad though.
I like it though. I'm not the best judge. Sorry.

Is there something off?

I'm trying to put spherical forms on my gesture (using the vilppu drawing manual) and I know what I do is wrong but not really why.

Any advice?

im done man

Would highly appreciate feedback on what was made. Thanks.

>>3167235
is this katamari?

>>3167239
No, I downscaled many random images and combined 1 downscaled region per image into one image

>>3167095

>>3166245

Still a beginner, and i was wondering if anybody had any tips for how i could improve?

>>3167359
Find an artist you truly look up to and perform a master study on his works. Of course before you do any of that make sure you can do the fundamentals with roughly 10-20% margin of error.

>thing I'm trying to learn I can't figure it out no matter how hard I try
>get frustrated for a whole day, depressed, play vidya the rest of the day then sleep
>wake up and immediately attempt the thing I was trying to learn
>I easily understand it now

How does this happen? Why do our brains like to fuck with us?

>>3167377
They say the brain analyzes information during REM sleep.

Rem is truly best girl.

Rate my loomis

>>3167396
Looks like you got things correctly positioned for a standard 3/4 view, try different angles to practice the variations.

>>3167396
you're wasting more and more time the more you do these

>>3167389
Who?

>>3167435
I wonder who he could be talking about, probably the pic related is unrelated

>>3167400
Will do. I'm also pretty inconsistent so still grinding these ones out.

>>3167408
Why is that?

>>3167396
You've turned it into a symbol by now.

>>3166917
Here is what you should do:
close photoshop, get some paper and draw instead of painting

>>3166245

>>3166604
I tried both, loomis i couldn't sit through and read . go with hampton but dont just use one book. add stuff like reilly method and combine it all together and it really helps
>>3166917
the blue light is a bit oppressive I think (especially on the left cheek) but i'm just a filthy /beg/ so dont take that without a pinch of salt

>>3167097
I like the tiger but his torso feels wrong maybe too big. cant really say totheother thing as I dont know what it is. also resize for smaller
>>3167362
read books and do the excersises. use quickposes daily. learn perspective before anything else

>>3167435
>>3167436
rem is from the anime in the pic...you guys are uncultured

Fast sketch of a human haunter.

>>3167484
>>3167362

Thanks!

>>3167484
I like watering girl

pls help its the first time I have tried doing one of these types of drawings. How would i make it look more finished and realistic?

>>3167050
do circles from shoulder or elbow and ghost the motion. after a couple goes it becomes quite easy. or just use a compass
>>3167235
this isinteresting I like it
>>3166825
what resources did you use for animal drawing? I like them

>>3167604

>>3167508
nepu!!

>>3167604
Facial alignment is off, the eyes especially don't match. Don't be afraid to completely redo or erase something when it doesn't look right. These are studies after all and failure is expected.

>>3167610
its really wierd, I didn't notice that or the buttons being too big etc until I exported it but after doing so I instantly spotted it

>take a 2 month break from drawing
>come back to it
>somehow improved by not drawing

>>3167614
Thats good news, it means you need to work on observation skills too but were blind to it before. It's the essential skill to art. Just keep that in mid when you go about things.

Is a Surface Pro decent for drawing?

>>3167604

facial features are floating. Making it larger is a common mistakes but floating features need to be address ASAP. Learn the features placement. Learn construction. Don't stop until you it's fix.

>>3167135

Why stop here?

>>3167716
i should note that im not a painter, i intend to be a draughtsman but i am told i need to learn to paint in order to understand light/colour/tone

>>3167235
This is beautiful. You might like Peter Doig

>>3167723
wat

>>3167604
R-resources?

...

Uh.

1. Look at animal reference picture. Break animal into simpler shapes, paying close attention to large areas of muscle like shoulder or hind quarter and general shape of flank. Mark joint locations with little circles. Connect with straight lines to find correct leg/muscle/foot location.

2. Draw from enough references that you can break animal down into simplified shapes from any angle in any position, within reason.

3. Fun exercise that definitely helps to master an animal is to pull up an image of an animal on Google Images, study it for 1 minute, memorise it as best you can, close image, draw animal from memory. You do it by memorising the shapes in that particular composition and then filling in the easy to remember details like where there is more fur and where there is less.

4. Draw animal without references.

5. All animals are different, but there are similarities that you can rely on like rough leg conformation. Practice different paws and hooves and heads and animals, but probably start with one difficult animal like a deer or a horse or a lion to learn with first.

In other words, no resources. I, ah, may have never even followed any of the links that are posted in the sticky.

Just. Look at an animal. Break down the shapes. Sketch the shapes. Build detail onto the shapes.

>>3167604
i tried to do another one but in colour.......................
Why is this so hard? is it possible to do it black and white and then add colour over the top without worrying about the darkness / brightness?. Also, why does grey seem as green around the eyes? (green is what i was going for)

>>3167739
thanks. I was expecting you to have read some books on it but I will do what you reccommend
>>3167718
p-pine?

>>3167760
>pine?
who? no

>>3167716
you have a very good grasp on lighting, now you just need to fix up hands and feet and worry about details. your grey scaling is spot on, just replace that with the shades of her skin tone.

>>3167768
>very good grasp on lighting
really? i havent been doing it that long
>hands
easy, practice hands
>feet
easy, practice feet
>detail
anatomy is on my list
>shades of skin tone
completely lost me, where do i start on this?

Any groundbreaking revolutions in drawing books in the past 6 months or are we all still just using Loomis?

>>3167716
>>3167718

Post ref.

You lack contrast. Increase your value range. Learn about cast shadow, core shadows and ambient occlusion. The whole point is to accentuate the form. Personally I find it's easier to do using the dark rather than the light values.

i cant draw female eyes no matter how hard i try. its really the entire female head i just cant understand. i can draw a male head and eyes easily but for some fucking reason i cant draw female facial features. anyone else have this problem?

>>3167808
Hmm, do you happen to be a virgin?

>>3167813
how'd you guess?

It looks like 3 or 4 value system is the key to understand value.

Do you guys get a messy look when using opacity?

When I use opacity I can't make it look like natural media. Is it normal?

On a journey to making not awful feet

>>3167239
>>3167604
>>3167725
Thanks.
And you're right - I do quite like Doig! Had not heard of him ever, I'm not an art person.

Help me out giys, I've been trying to get this thing to look good for hours now, what do I keep doing wrong?

>>3167921
reference

>>3167921
My tip is to take care to measure angles and distance.

If you've been sitting for hours you've probably stared yourself blind and become super fussy over it. I would personally just scrap the drawing and do it again while measuring more carefully.

>>3167926
I always seem to fuck up my measurments even though I try really hard and take my sweet ass time to make good outlines at first to specifically avoid this problem.
and it only hits me that I screwed up when i'm already knee deep in shading or whatever.
Any advice?

>>3167932
I'm not good enough to give out super specific advice, I'm afraid. I'd just draw more and let measuring take as long as it needs to, I guess.

>>3167932

Use mirror to see the flipped image. That'll refresh your view and see all the mistakes.

>>3167934
it's so lame that there are no actual non-beginners or "experts" on the /beg/ threads, it really does feel like alot less of a thread meant for advice and improvement and more like a containment thread for the less skilled.

>>3167831

Is that from a ref? What is going on?

>>3167937
Noted, i'm burned out right now so I guess I'll just scrape it and try again tomorrow

>>3166593
KYS

>>3167945
fuck off reddit

>>3167938
Eh, every now and then I see skilled people doing red-lines, they stand out a lot, although it's definitely not often, and these past couple of threads have had almost no critique in general.

I do agree with the existence of a containtment board, at least we can motivate each other and stuff as beginners, if I ever git gud I wouldn't like to go to an alt-thread or comics thread and get comments from people who don't know the most fundamental basics of drawing.

I also would be embarassed to post my /beg/ work on draw threads.

>>3167938
You're only realizing that just now?

>>3166593
Who cares? Make a patreon and degenerates will throw $20k/month at you for that garbage.

>>3167760
Next.
am I gonna make it?

>>3168021

>>3168022
How long have you been drawing with the intent of getting better being your motivator?

>>3168024
since august's middle

>>3168027
Then you're doing fine and ask that question again next year

What's the proper technique to gesture drawing?
It's such a simple concept I can't wrap my head around for some reason.

>>3168033
Try to draw everything using as few C S and | lines as possible. That would be the best way to get it going.

>>3168035
Oh, forgot. Using only C S and | lines.

>>3168029
thanks
>>3168033
I was exactly the same till 2 days ago. read hamptom figure drawing chapter 1 and suddenly they looked 10 times better and took way less time. try to simplify it to capture just the essence of the pose in as few lines as possible (ignoring the edges seen in the picture) and exagerrate it also since its difficult to capture the subteties

What can I do to steady my hand?
I've been grinding the really basic fundamentals for months now but I feel like I'm just too jittery to draw anything half decent.

>>3168086
Keep doing the drawabox lesson 1 as warm-up do at least 10 minutes a day. Also, use pencil to sketch and be sloppy. Go over it quickly with a felt-tip pen.

If you look at other artists you'll see that when they do there initial lay-ins it's all jittery and messy and then they gloss it over with ink.

>>3166245
Does anyone have that loomis link?

>>3167617
Your eye has just gotten worse

Hands are disgusting. I'm gonna see if I go for a week drawing hands. I'm one page away from finishing my second 70 sheet sketchbook. Gonna move on to a 100 sheet.

Exciting.

>>3168151
ref

WIP. C&C welcome

>tfw only now realized how nice these perspective box things are

>>3168151
Yea the hands and feet are jacked up. The lip is a bit off too. I think in the reference photo is a bit challenging. Even if accurately conveyed the mouth and foot might look strange.

>>3168164
Now try using them when she's not standing straight

>>3166917
Stop. I see what you're trying to do, but try to learn to draw first before you get into painting. It's so easy with digital to get side tracked and unfocused, because of the endless possibilities. Focus on one thing, and right now it should be drawing.

>>3168171
Not sure if this stands up to much scrutiny but I felt like they helped even more.

What should I draw on the very last page of my sketchbook.

>>3168198
your moms dick

rate?

>>3167941
If you didn't understand a little of the painting is because my lack of skill but at least I got the theory.

A painting should be readable using 3 or 4 values. I just need to practice more.by the way the ref is a master painting of Jean Leon Gerome.

I didn't care about the measurements, just the values. Next goal is take both, 4 values system and measurements . If you know more about this please share knowledge dear anon. I will be glad.

>>3167921
>>3167945

Use a mirror.
Take breaks
Look the drawing from a long distance.
Simplify shadows to see more shapes and angles.
Study Block-in with the Bargue Course with natural media
Practice a lot.

All this is what some people say is the answer for accuarcy.

Sketch I'n working on, something feels off about the torso but feel free to pick anything else apart

>>3168338
I did a ghetto redline to check but I don't think it's quite right

>>3167617
>take a 2 month break from drawing
>come back to it
>somehow improved by not drawing
That happens to everyone. Just wait to the part where you seemingly get worse by drawing. It's also the reason why you should avoid drawing until you burn yourself out and try and keep up a steady pace of drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc8UhcPAIiI
This is for the people already only lurking and not drawing because it hurts and for the people who are stumbling into this trap of self hatred.
I haven't drawn myself for quite some time but I couldn't figure out why until I watched that video. I also think he is a great talker so i recommend you guys watch it, not for his art skills but for the message.
I am sure some of you can really use it. Don't stop drawing.

>>3168359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm7awfl6hYA

>>3168263
i like it brian!

>>3168022
another.
I think I'm getting better. is control paint applicable universally or is it just for photoshop (i have clipstudijo)

>>3168464

>>3168464
>>3168467
>I think
You are.

I need to stop drawing so fast

>>3168494
What's your social media

>>3167739
This is also known as the shrimp method. Look it up, it explains why what you're doing works.

i can't draw for shit

>>3167723
Did you do this in mspaint?

>>3168467
Great reference.

>>3168464
what brush did you use?

>>3168464
>draws for 3 months and is already almost as good as I am after 4 years

i just want to draw anime

how do i draw anime

Anyone got that link on loomis?
And does anyone have a book to help with painting super saturated landscapes?

>>3168590

>>3168599
Check out the book thread bud.

>>3168590
look at anime, draw anime, then draw anime from imagination, fail, look at anime again

>>3168608
no thats dumb ill read >>3168605 instead

>TFW NGMI
How do I get that Self Confidence meme people keep talking about?

>>3168625
Lobby to get laws passed making it illegal for people to tell you that your art is shit.

I recently turned 29, is it too late to learn to draw?

Disregard my previous question as I'll give it a try anyway, as I've always wanted to learn and I think it's beautiful.

My real question is how long should I be spending with beginner books? I have a tendency to rush lessons when I think I'm ready to move on, when I'm overestimating my abilities.

If I start with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Keys to Drawing realistically how much time should I spend on each book?

Thanks

>>3168634
it will be an steep uphill battle
also why are you asking /beg/

>>3168661
? I wasn't asking /beg/ anything. I was telling him how to build self confidence. After all, if everyone is legally required to shower you with praise then you'll have confidence even when you shouldn't.

>>3168661
meant for >>3168658

>>3168658
If you're in a hurry don't bother starting.

>>3168668
I'm not in a hurry, I'm afraid I'll be rushing unintentionally. That's why I was just asking for a piece of advice.

>>3168658
da Vinci didn't start painting until he was 47

tried drawing from imagination. I need to study anatomy before I try this again. also what is a good book on colour? I just added the furnace thingy to experiment with the light but I don't know how to make it work
>>3168580
the default transparent watercolour brush (clip studio)
>>3168633
holy micropenis

how do I get better at painting.

this is my second try at painting, and idk even where to start.

>>3168732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPz8Xyt3z-w

>>3168521
I had no idea there was a name for it or anything. I've been doing it on and off for ages, and first started some time before 2011, which is when I stopped doing any sort of drawing/painting/cgi up until very recently.

I'm trying to get back into the swing of drawing every day, but it's been a long time and I've been focused more on writing.

>>3168531

Slow down... Take your time. Think and analyse and always flip your image.

>>3168633
crits pls

>>3168766

Ref?

>>3168773
>>3166098

>>3168658
Unless you're dead or retarded, you can learn anything m8. You're not training for the fucking olympics here.

Been told to come here...
Anyways i cant really get into the hip and stomach area, I already changed it a few times but I'm never happy with it. Anyone got some good pointers?

>>3168841
Good enough. Draw some anime eyes on it and go make a patreon for free money.

>>3168625
>You merely adopted the darkness.
I got a real crit and am pretty pleased with it but I have no idea how to polish this further.

>>3168590
the old-school "How to Draw Manga" books, are decent.

>>3168633
Crits please

>>3166604
Keys to drawing

>>3168702
another values

>>3168934

>>3168186
Really nice desu

>>3168841
at least make it not loli

>>3168848
>not nipples
???

>>3169046
I just didnt add any tits yet because Im having a hard time drawing those okay?! I just wanted to post something because I never really finish anything and getting my tit skills up to par before posting the picture would take days.

>>3168163
get rid of the white specs also post elsewhere you might get better critique

>>3168841
How do we get as good as you?

>>3169047
>>3169049

>>3169051
Im not good, hence I was sent to the beginner thread, but look at lots of stuff, look at your own body for reference.
Otherwise something I would not recommend, I erase, a LOT but don't do that its a bad habit.

>>3168164
explain I don't understand them

>>3169063
stop

reconsider your life

>>3169063
more Contrast, ditch "muh style" and read loomis

>>3169079
>>3169074
pyw

>>3169081
>pyw
huh?

What am I suppose to learn from Loomis? I got the first book and am practicing what he does in the book but sometimes my drawings look off or just wrong. Is this just because I'm starting out or am I missing something important?

What thing's should I be studying to learn from the book?

>>3169092
The very first book is just some memes to get you into the groove and have fun. His more serious books on construction are quite clear they're focused more on proportions and perspective with construction.

>>3169092
go to the artbook thread, every book you will need is in the mega as a pdf

How to deal with tendinitis?

Work through the pain?
Draw left handed?
Quit?

>>3169114
It goes away after like a week or two, you can draw a bit, but taking a break is best.

>>3169097
Which one's would you recommend to learn from? I might get it to learn from
>>3169099
Thank you I'll look at that list

I just got my first set of copic markers. I'm thinking that I'm either missing a tool to get better gradients or I just don't have enough proficiency to get better blends. I also have the wrong paper and the ink just bleeds through. Welp, I learned a bit today.

>>3166436
Why do faggots constantly have to post their tools with their art like people give a shit?

>>3169114
these help too

>>3169125
Apparently you give a shit.

>>3169127
In the shoulder, not carpal tunnel

Does hampton or loomis go over breasts in their books? I haven't seen it yet.

>>3169131
it doesn't matter, those rubber things increase the diameter of your grip which eases tension throughout the rest of your arm and even shoulder

>>3169137
Literally just spheres

I love drawing women.

>>3169140
Give him some slack, hes probably never seen real ones before

>>3169145
Your drawing career is ogre

>>3169145
So are you going to or are you just going to keep drawing Shrek with a wig and tits?

>>3169148
Value study, nose too high, lips to low. I'm not fixing it because it's beside the point. Skimped on construction because my focus is just how the light fell around the SYMBOLS AND SHAPES of the parts of the body.

>>3169152
You should probably work on getting things to look right before values before you explore other methods.

>>3169159
Hmmmm, nah!
Now I'm going to draw a lemon under my lamp.

>>3169162
Why not an onion?

>>3169163
Little did you know button/upturned noses are my fetish.

>>3169165
Maybe you can learn how to correctly draw those after you're done with your onion under your lamp

Why can't I hold all these crabs?

>>3169168
Post your work.

>>3169145
I got tired of drawing "real" women and just downloaded cosplay sets. Only problem is the betters sets are typically gooks.

>>3169172

That's about as relevant as me posting my embroidery.

>>3169177
Post your work

>>3169182
Ok.

>>3169174
I don't like the varying confidence and weight of lines in the leaves.
Shadows are missing in some places they should be.
>I was supposed to just call it ugly.

>>3169192
Fair enough senpai

Anyone else using Sketchbook Pro? Seems rather comfy when switching between digital and traditional daily.

>>3169174
How the fuck do I get as good as you?

>>3169173
I wanted to draw a fatty specifically because I just did a bunch of studies on muscles and bones.
Thanks for the advice. Cosplay sets seem like a better idea than random porn shoots, they have decent poses and clothes are one of the most important parts of drawing people.
I'll check some sets out for the Overwatch drawings I plan on doing.

>>3169125
Why are you such a salty butthole homie?

>>3169198
Like flowers and plants and draw a ton on their own to build up a library in your mind of them.
Have an imagination.
Stylize these flowers and leaves like anime girls.
Make a limited workspace.
Try to fill this space with a doodle.
In that case it's a lifelike scene.

bone queen

Any thoughts on this?

Where do you usually start or what do you draw first when trying to draw from a picture.

>>3169265
The left arm, neck or head.

>>3169265
How is she so thick? Is it perspective tricks?

>>3169265
Who is this?

I have been trying to learn how to draw lately and whenever I am trying to follow an exercise where I have to copy another drawing I find myself to start blinking a lot and start to get a headache. What could be the cause of this? Am I to close to what I am sampling? Should I be further away?

>>3169295
I believe that's called ADHD, anon, you might want to get yourself checked. You've got concentration problems. Amazing that you haven't found out until now.

>>3169291
Found it

https://www.instagram.com/nikumikyo/?hl=en

>>3169304
What a gold mine
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BXJMdtYAUPl/?hl=en&taken-by=nikumikyo
kek

>>3169304
How do I see the full resolution of a picture on this shit

>>3169313
Inspect page and look for pic related

>>3169315
Why does Instagram does this dumb shit?

>>3169315
Oh herp, it's view page source.

It makes the users feel like there shit is secure. But it never will be.

>>3169321
You can also look for an instagram downloader, many exist. That rips images from instagram.

>>3169124
god I hate rich people

Does anyone have tips on how to paint eyelashes?

>>3169357
ref.
I just started drawing 2 months ago and I just bought a tablet, I feel like it looks kind of blobby, I think I need cleaner edges. Any crits?

>>3169124
>missing a tool
Lol
>don't have enough proficiency
This is it.
Crop the paper faggot.

>>3169357
resize

>>3169343
Only?
I hate everyone.
One thing I really hate is poor(er) artists with more motivation than me who achieve less with simpler tools.
Rich artists I hate for success, their motivation, and the better tools (which would be useless to me given I have no motivation to use them)

>>3169404
>Subdivide the mesh

I'm new no bully

How do i practice gestures without raging and throwing my pen across the room?

>>3169426
By working on your own personality because putting a pencil to a piece of paper should not illicit sudden bursts of anger and throwing things.

>>3169426
tape your pen to your hand.
you wont be able to throw your pen across the room

>>3169426
Realize that the anger is the manifestation of deep rooted inferiority complex, the truth is you hate yourself for not understanding the problem that you believe should be obvious. Perhaps you should realize you are not special nor inferior and that you will only get to where you want to get through patience and perseverance.

>>3169426
By remembering you're allowed to make fucking garbage and to take breaks, it's not life or death.

>>3169426
at least it's better to rage than to get depression and not draw for several days

I use mouse

>>3169114
>tendinitis
Almost every musculoskeletal condition is treated with:
Rest Ice (uptodate doesn't think that ice is important) Compression Elevation and surgery if it doesn't get fixed.

Uptodate says use more ergonomic shit, avoid heavy loads, stretching following activity, do stretches frequently and for at least 15-30 seconds each time.

If quite painful: NSAIDs are given (the term NSAIDS does not actually include paracetamol/acetaminophen but something like aspirin that can cause side effects like gastro effects).

>>3169131
Carpal tunnel and tendinitis is two different syndromes.

Carpal tunnel refers to the nerve irritation (due to compression of the nerve at the carpal tunnel).
Tendinitis refers to the inflammation of the tendons (where they insert in the bone).

>>/ic/thread/S3139440#p3139642
>>/ic/thread/S3076031#p3077008

You should be able to tell the difference between the two based on the location of where it hurts and how it hurts.

Carpal tunnel is thumb, second finger, third finger and half the fourth finger on the radial side but not on the palm or on the back of the hand (Classic Carpal Tunnel). If the palms are involved, it's Probable Carpal Tunnel. Patients complain of numbness, tingling and pain in that location and it can go up the arm and wake people up at night.

Guyon's canal is half the fourth finger on the ulnar side and the fifth finger.

Tendinitis is not going to have numbness/tingling.

>>3168633
Crits please

>>3168633
crits please

>>3168633
Crits please

>>3169523
>>3169527
Fucking Children. Couldn't handle seeing someone ask for crits without sperging out?

>>3169124
I've noticed that. its embarrasing

>>3169357
did you draw it backwards?

>>3169357
>Does anyone have tips on how to paint eyelashes?
try

>>3168633
crits pls

Hey guys I'm getting better at painting in photoshop, but I am awful at making drawings with pen and paper. It is as if I can only create form with values and not with line.

>>3169315
no. use ublock origin, block the element, open the pic. much faster.

>>3169045
Thanks dude

>>3169070
I don't think I can give a correct explanation, I just winged it after having read a bit of Norling and watched part 1 of those NMA perspective videos.

>>3168633
pls crit

>>3169584
You should try out drawabox. It'll teach you how to use line to convey form.

Critik pls

>>3169631
Decent! Make the front red more vibrant than the flames in the back, just something to bring it to the front. Try heavier lines in the closest focal parts
>Help
How do I start stylising? Also, how could I make this a better drawing?

>>3169639
Sorry, sideways
Part two:
I really struggle with hatching shading, what else can I do with a pen?

>>3169642
Part 3
Trying some colour, I don't use colour much.
>Critique all three please bros?
I haven't drawn in a very long time

>>3169639
I'd say stop relying on hatching and use stippling more, excessive hatching tends to clutter up edges without filling the body of work properly

out of curiosity, why ol' suicide boi as your subject?

>>3169646
>why Hitler
I admire him on a personal level, he has a lot in common with parts of /ic/, including kinda kitsch taste in art. You should actually read Mein Kampf if you think he was just an angry shortsighted idiot, whether or not you agree with him he is quite an interesting and widely read fellow who stumbled across some really deep parts of Europe we've since forgotten. Plus design and aesthetics of early Reich clothes and architecture were top tier for any regime ever
Also
>implying he killed himself

Thanks bud, can you reccomend any examples of good stippling I can check out? I'd like my drawings to be cleaner in execution before I move into digital. Stippling looks a little messy, hence why I'm hatching, but show me an example you like

>>3169616
No offence, but I don't want to learn from someone who can't even draw themselves.

>>3169653
here you go, it's not the best example but it's something I saw a few months ago that randomly popped into my head

it can be messy, but it adds a lot more to look at imo, in a good way, never been a big fan of 'clean' artwork that you see a lot in say, manga

I mean mein kampf is interesting, but for me probably not the same reasons as you

it's interesting to look at the views of the man who pretty promptly fucked up half of Europe for a good couple of decades

I don't think he was an /idiot/ (in the sense that he was incoherent or whatever), but obviously to me he was morally bankrupt

>>3169639
what pen do you use for lines ?

>>3168633
crits! where are my crits?!

>>3169661
Ah I like that man! Thanks, I'll try out the style and post it here in an hour or so. If it helps you to understand, I don't want to go anime tier cleanness, I like the messiness of the inked line of say, Aubrey Beardsley, who rarely even used shading, but it's clean and clear and very emotive, which mine isn't right now.

Also, yeah, Hitler wasn't great politically, even after you find out admoshing things like the 160,000 Jews in the wehrmacht and ss, but he was up against some foul people - the Soviets, the Bolsheviks, Winston Churchill (who said he would sacrifice every last Anglo Saxon, woman and child, before he surrendered or brokered peace with the Germans, what a cunt). Clearly, if it was a fight between honourable parties, WW2 wouldn't have even happened - General Oswald regretted it, famously saying "we fought the wrong enemy", as has been expressed by many clear and rational war generals. But the Reichsmark couldn't be independent from international finance, goy, just like Gadaffi or Sadam or Assad, so we'll pin the crimes of the NKVD and Red Army on the honour-and-virtue-obsessed volunteer Germans and outlaw any research into the validity of the accused crimes. Autism over, time to draw

>>3169668
The neat Pentel brush pen with the Japanese writing on the lid, had it a while so forgot the model. Used the one with speckly plastic for the Fuhrer drawing

>>3168633
crits pls

>>3168633
Stop autistically bumping. The left femur is too long, the foreshortening is inconsistent, trace the drawing and put it side by side with yours to see what I mean. Use more confident lines instead of scrubbing. Stop bumping with 10 million begs for a crit.

>>3169688
more crits ! need more!!1

>>3169690
No fuck off. Redraw it and stop wasting time on here. Draw another statue and add tonal values then come back.

>>3169692
MORE!!

>>3169411
>>3169404
what you talkin' bout willis

>>3168934
this one took too long

>>3169833

>>3168281
>bottom right
Sieg Heil

>>3168633
Is nobody going to crit me?

>>3168633
pls guys I'm asking nicely. you don't want to get on my bad side do you?

>>3169837
Did you mean left?

>>3169880
did you mean its good? my drawing is good right? pls tell me its good
>>3168633

Is this composition Pleasant?

If not, can you guys tell me what is not working?

>>3170042
a bit heavy handed but good for now

>>3170045
Thank you.
Heavy handed... got it.
Do you think is ready to paint and render dear anon?

I can't tell how I should distance my vanishing points. If they're close to the object, the perspective distortion gets much stronger, kinda like a high FOV camera

Anybody have a handy resource explaining vanishing point distances between each other?

>>3170053
I think you should crit this >>3168633 first before anything

>>3169253

Looks good.

>>3170059
Finally got it

so I guess the closer your vanishing points are, the greater the angle of the view "through" the paper, which naturally leads to more subjective perspective distortion if the visible angle on your paper is greater than what you're used to seeing

I'm trying to draw what I see but how do I stop making flat caveman drawings

>>3170084
perspective made easy / scott robertsons how to draw. basically just learn perspective and then learn the rest.
all of this comes after you crit my work of course >>3168633

>>3170069

Okay I can tell you what I think even if I'm beg.

The neck looks wrong for me.
It does not have a lot of gesture.
The waist is turning to the left but the genitals no.
The position of the right foot, I think is not possible.
Unnecessary lines in the hair, too simple "S" everywhere.

The right hand is to small and for a heroic figure it should be big.

>>3170095
I'm just shitposting by the way

>>3170082

You can control the distortion. if you are using one point perspective and you go out of the cone vision you get distortion but you can avoid the distortion moving the horizontals lines a little (forshortening) like two point perspective. and also when you use two point perspective if you go out of the cone vision you will need to foreshortening the verticals using 3 point perspective

Here is a exaggerated version of what I mean

>>3170097

>>3170098
Is that even still linear perspective

cause it looks curved to me

>>3170104
read scott robertson how to draw. It covers all of this in the first few chapters.

>>3170104
Well is a heavy 5 point perspective if you want to see one point perspective just look at the center of the drawing

My point is that if you go out of the cone of vision you will need to use another vanishing point. There are 5. If we don't do that it looks weird and the boxes look like diamonds and no like boxes.

>>3170109
>>3170114

Thanks guys, just ordered that book

>>3170116
you could just go to the artbook thread and there is a pdf

>>3170118
I prefer physical books

>>3169426

Hold the pencil in another way. An unusual way.
Avoid to hold it like when you write. That helps a lot.

>>3170122
print it out

>>3169124

Watch Scott Roberson videos. He use markers like a god.

>>3168633
its shit m8, consider killing yourself in the most painful way you know.

>>3168633
More Crits please

>>3170305
You are definitely making some big strides forward, but one thing that I noticed is that texture and detail is drawing your attention away from where it needs to be. You're caught up in getting those details right, and as a result focus less on the underlying construction of the object. This is entirely understandable, because animals tend to have a lot of complex detail to them, but it's very important that you look beyond that and focus on the structure.
On a related note, I also noticed that your underlying construction was drawn with a noticeably fainter line - a sign that you were attempting to keep the construction lines hidden. When we actively go to such lengths to hide linework, it makes it difficult at best of times to also draw those marks with the kind of confidence we need right now to keep the lines smooth and the ellipses evenly shaped. Without that, our forms end up less solid and fail to maintain the illusion of being three dimensional. From there, the construction falls apart, and the details placed on top end up being, to exaggerate, something like makeup on a pig.
Construction is everything. Don't let yourself forget that.

>>3168633
You're making decent progress. As far as construction goes, you're demonstrating a solid use of forms, and a good grasp of how they interact with one another when coming together to build up to these various animals. One thing I did notice though was that you definitely are a bit heavy with the contour lines - it's important to consider before drawing a mark, whether or not that line is going to contribute something meaningful to the drawing. When it comes to contour lines, consider whether or not those already present are already doing the job you expect of the one you're thinking of adding. Usually a couple contour lines across the length of a form is enough. Overdoing it has its downsides, in that it'll make your forms appear more stiff.

The biggest area where you can improve is with your observation skills. There are many examples where things have gone great, but there are others where what you've drawn is not quite the result of what you see, but rather what you remember seeing. Looking back at your reference frequently is imperative in order to avoid the pitfalls of our own faulty memory. It's generally a good idea to keep looking at your reference as a default, looking back to your drawing only long enough to put down a mark or two before turning back to the reference.

>>3169880
What's the difference?