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thdark needs to get into making games. his art style is perfect for it. he would make bank on patreon if he made a porn game and lots of art for it.

>>3166387

Not a case of failure, like >>3166395 said, it has to do with what is marketable and what they're doing. While his art is fine, it's more something you'de expect in a game, a patreon just for his art seems fruitless as ultimately the subject matter is kinda aimless.

>Patreon is the sole defining factor of whether an artist is a success or not
>this is what OP actually believes

It could be worse: he could be (You)

Would it be a mistake to start a Patreon without a huge following? (I have around 2.5k on tumblr, 1.2K on dA)

My plan at long term is to freelance in order to quit my day job

>>3166416

Never can really be a mistake, however if you make one once your bigger and create some sort of demand from people like, "woh I really love your stuff I would totally want to see more?" or just ask you'll more than likely get backers. If you go in without the initial want of something from you specifically, well...

>>3166395
Artists just can't see personal projects through. Just look at Zedig and Salt n Pepper. They had a fairly successful Patreon that was consistently growing, Zedig did tons of concept art and beautiful character design work and then suddenly the project is dead and the Patreon is gone. Probably not a single line of code was ever written for that game.

Meanwhile a programmer with terrible artwork will see his shitty game idea through to the end and make tens of thousands of $ a month because he delivers a finished product.

>>3166410
He needs to at least tag his fanart properly if he's going to take the time to do it, for one thing.

It's like he'll only remember to use a hashtag for fanart of something like Mischief Makers, a game that probably sold 40 copies in the U.S. that nobody cared about then and nobody cares about now (even if they should) and disregard it for art of anything that would actually get him some attention. Making that mistake consistently is a surefire way to languish in obscurity for years to come.

Even if things look bad now though, his situation could reverse very quickly because he's pretty fuckin' good. OP on the other hand is just another petty, obese /ic/ bucket crab who's definitely not gonna make it.

>>3166387

No artist working in a professional environment would ever link anything having to do with themselves to /ic/ let alone 4chan. This is why you never see a "pro" posting on here, we're all in disguise. This is half the reason why "post ur work" is a meme, because the troll using the phrase knows damn well that even if the poster is a good artist, he/she is not going to have their work recognized on a "please fire me immediately" website.

Artist Patreons are not indicative of success, in fact having one is more of a sign that you're a failure of an artist who couldn't market themselves the proper way. That's why you see porn/fan/furry artists using them all the time. They cannot ever compete or work in a environment that requires them to produce something on someone elses's terms, because they don't want to bother doing the work/aren't' that good/don't give a fuck. They would rather beg stupid millennials who don't know how to save their money on a site that charges a fee.
I would bet $50,000 that if darkgem didn't have a patron and had to work in a studio environment, they would fire him in less than a week due to incompetence. He went to a decent art college to draw furry pornography for a living, it's not gonna last lol.
I would bet you another $50,000 that Doxy is eating nothing but bland top ramen in Japan and will be as broke as they day he/she (don't know) was born. He/She is currently dreaming of living the lifestyle of the meme 120 hour work week manga artist and drawing pornography of copyrighted material, whatever it takes but if you ask me that's a failure.

These are the people that should motivate you. They wasted their time and effort on shit that only influences degenerates. They could have been really successful and well known artists, and they could of made more money had they chosen a different route.

>>3166387

I like his art, he obviously has decent fundies too

>>3166453

>>3166387

Like this guys art. Instead of applying to an indie gaming company or freelance illustration for books, he's begging people to pay him for the privilege of existing and creating art. Don't make a living doing this.

>>3166453
>This is why you never see a "pro" posting on here, we're all in disguise
>we're
kek. Yes anon, I'm sure there are lots of "pros" like you who are obsessed with "degenerates" and their porn patreons.

>>3166455
>he's begging people to pay him for the privilege of existing and creating art.

His problem is exactly that he's NOT doing anything of the sort, you retard. He has an inactive, dead patreon that he never even bothered to advertize anywhere. Also, a Patreon isn't supposed to be your main source of income you dunce, it's meant as additional easy income alongside doing real work. Even Craig Mullins has a Patreon and he's like a 50 years old veteran, so what excuse do you have for being completely retarded when it comes to making use of new opportunities to monetize your art?

>>3166387
What failures? All I've seen here are winners and those who never really tried in the first place. I hardly count the latter, though they do make up 95% of /ic/.

>>3166453
>Artist Patreons are not indicative of success, in fact having one is more of a sign that you're a failure of an artist who couldn't market themselves the proper way. That's why you see porn/fan/furry artists using them all the time. They cannot ever compete or work in a environment that requires them to produce something on someone elses's terms

>making money drawing what you like is a sign of failure unlike real artists who are wagecucks who only can draw what their art director tells them to

wew lad

>>3166460
> All I've seen here are winners and those who never really tried in the first place

>>3166454
he has too much fundies. too much to the point his art is unappealing its almost too boring to look at.
so generic
youd expect kids with illustration degrees that work on adventure time to draw stuff like that.

>>3166387
>2 fucking dollars
holy shit... This why i dont make my patreon. My style and skill is around his level but i mostly work as freelancer and put out some non fanart drawings randomly so nobody cares.

Ive seen really shitty artists (not in my opinion. Shitty by most of known standarts) getting at least 300-400 a month.

Tadark is the same dude as me. Very closed in mind. Visiting 4chinner boards for autisms instead of being active and friendly on a well known social media. Not trying to draw fanart just for a little understandable attention.

Like for example D'va Mek from Overwatch in his style would be great and give hims some likes. + it will be fun to draw to him too.
I do the same mistake.

If you are an artist and not getting money - you are a lazy ass and your own fault of this.

>>3166453
What this one said.

>>3166456

Oh my god it's like I've looked into getting a paetron or something until I realized it's meant for people like this:

https://www.patreon.com/kateleth

>>3166459

I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I'm saying that it's exactly as you described, easy income for lazy people who can't be bothered to set up their own website

>>3166462
>wagecuck

Don't you have some Indian scam digital currency to invest in?

>>3166470
>tadark
wow you didnt even got his name right.

>>3166473
>>3166459

*or supplemental income like you said (gibe monies pls)

>>3166387
>$2
you actually literally can make more begging on the streets for half an hour even in 3rd world shitholes.

>>3166387
>this is my patreon
>I made it so I can fulfill MY dreams with YOUR money
>pay me and you'll get to see all the shit I would've done without your spare change anyway (lol)
Well golly, I sure do wanna give you fifty bucks just for existing! Not, you fucking cunt.
This isn't /ic/'s failure; /ic/'s great for learning art. What it doesn't teach you is how to sell the art you've made, which this entitled prick sorely needs to learn.

/ic/ is not a collective, that guy posting shitty art online and not making money is not an "/ic/ failure"

>>3166488
hes more active on /ic/ than in his artblogs

Patreon isn't everything. I've personally commissioned thdark quite a few times over the past year. He's polite, fairly punctual and I'm sure as sh*t he didn't do anything to deserve this vicious, unsolicited bullying he's received as of late out of nowhere from you OP-especially when I almost never see him post here himself. What the fr*ckin' heck is your problem?

LEAVE HIM ALONE!

>>3166387
if I make a patreon will you guys give me your money?

>Brian Comforti is making memes and podcasts

>>3166503
hell no

>>3166469
>he has too much fundies
>so generic

I don't think you understand what either of those things means, anon.

>>3166503
>Brian Comforti is making memes and podcasts

and you wonder why you're not successful

>>3166499
hes here alright. theres this one time in a random thread a guy was shitting on him and he pops out in seconds defending himself.

>>3166515
>he's here

No. I just lurk this board constantly because I can browse at work, where I'm at for about 11 hours a day. I get paid to shitpost, what's your excuse?

Just Me Gabe Newell

>>3166522
How did you make it thdark

>>3166522
wow you got suck
what happened

>>3166525
What about him?

>>3166539
>>3166540
Very funny (if you think that's bad you should see my art from a couple years ago)! I might not be good but at least I'm working at it. Hopefully you can say the same. This kind of feckless bullying is mean-spirited, and un-american!

We should be trying to lift each other up, not tear each other down.

R-...right!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U27NR3BdZI

>>3166555
Fuck off baiter
I want to talk to the real thdark

>>3166416
Here's what thdark's patreon is doing wrong. There are no higher donation tiers and the rewards aren't that good. The niceguy approach to patreon won't get you much even with a large audience since the incentive isn't there. Paywall some exclusive content for a higher pledge-fee and offer some rewards that make people want to part with their money.

>>3166566
>people don't like you selling out
>you have to sell out to be successful
Just what the fuck did they mean by this?

>>3166387
3 patrons..
2 dollars..
the smallest donation is 1 dollar..
what?

>>3166581
2 per month per patron you idiot

>>3166585
that's not how patreon works, dummy. The number there on the left is your total amount you get each month, not the amount each patron gives you.

>>3166569
>people don't like you selling out

People are liars.

>>3166569
It's not seen as selling out but as you providing something in return for the money. No one wants to give money to some dude who only draws art for himself without giving anything in return. You gotta provide SOMETHING. That's why patreons of youtubers and video game devs are often times so much more successful than artist patreons, they all provide a concrete product additionally to their reward tiers.

>>3166560
>baiter

I've never attempted to imitate him tho.

Things are pretty bad if the thought of someone defending someone else from some unwarranted negative attention is so inconceivable that it's immediately assumed it could only be that person astroturfing on their own behalf.

As far as I know the guy has largely kept to himself so I don't understand why all these bad vibes are being sent his way all of the sudden. It almost seems like there's a meta community on /ic/ of some sort that arbitrarily chooses an artist to bully from the self-promotion thread once every month or something. Pretty pathetic t.b.h.

>>3166387
>3 total patrons
>4 of his 3 patrons are pledging at least $1
>For a total of $2

Something doesn't add up here.

>>3166444
Sounds to me that He ripped some money p good. Also his designs are ugly af.His renderring was what drew people in. I mean having a highschool chick with hairy fucking legs is SJW crynge.
Not to be offtopic, but whomever thinks that you can make a living of a patreon ,you're delusional.What you see is maybe 2-3 percent of the industry of freelance artists.The one that make a living off crowd support.Most do actual freelance work for actual studios/companies etc. Does nobody on here ever do their research at all ?

>>3166682
Too much misinformation

>>3166682
Are you an idiot? Patreon is to supplement your income. Just like Gumroad. Just because you have a patreon doesn't mean you suddenly can't do any other client work anymore.

>>3166682
Zedig's rendering is basic as fuck and often even non-existent in his Salt n Pepper work. It's all design and his little story illustrations that drew people in. Why do you keep talking without thinking? Aren't you embarassed to always be wrong about everything?

>>3166603

Yep, this. If you take Sakimichan for instance (regardless if you think her work is shit) she does provide a very consistent product. You know exactly what you sign up for on her Patreon. It's like a subscription of socks almost.

>>3166416
that's what I have on DA, and just by looking at my most active followers, i would probably get something like 20 patrons if i did one. so yes, wait a bit until you have at least 5,000 followers.

Would you consider this guy a failure?

>>3166693
>Patreon is to supplement your income.
thats for losers who don't have the following to make it a full time job

Bump

>>3166470
Post your work fgt

>>3166387
porn addicts ruined art as a whole

Who's more annoying?

The fedoramen that equate a patreon account to welfare and use terms like "degenerate" who don't draw

or

The neckbeards that nitpick anyone remotely successful on patreon, ultimately deem them "unworthy" of their success and who also don't draw

>>3167062

They should be forced to fight each other to the death.

>>3166617
>>3166581
Patreon takes around 10% due to fees and commission. Number rounds down to the dollar.

>>3167218
That's what I thought too, but according to that one infographic floating around it's displaying the "gross income" of the artist.

>>3166453
Are you getting those 50Ks through art? And how long do you think smut artist will last on patreon. what the heck is that guy doing Japan?

>>3166387
The problem is he's bad at marketing.
Doubt he even had an instagram or twitter followers
building your fanbase is essential.
Even if you sell the best cupcakes not a single one who knows not of it will buy them.

>>3167250
You don't need "marketing", you just need to post your work regularly and be good. Thdark is good but posts his work like once every 3 months on tumblr.

>>3167258
Dunning?
No. SEO exist for that reason. No matter how good your website is if the search engine that only indexes 1% of the web doesn't even know you're website you'll never get any traffic at all.
>regularly and be good
I've seen plenty of artists who are good. I don't even know where they are right now and I don't care.
I don't have to saucenao or iqdb his shit. Poor marketing makes you poor.

>>3167258
>Thdark is good but posts his work like once every 3 months on tumblr.
this happened to n4dar. I know he can produce videos despite claims of tracing, so he would have been very successful in patreon, but he only posts about 5 times a year so got nothing when he tried making one.

>>3166453
>a "please fire me immediately" website
I wish this was still true, this site is a household name by now.

>>3167287
but his stuff is garbage?

>>3167297
yet he has 1mil views on artstation and pro artists favoriting his work there

>>3167276
Are you fucking stupid? The only search engine anyone uses is google and if you don't show up on the first page with "your name / nickname + art" then you're doing something seriously wrong. or you chose a really stupid nickname. Also who the fuck still uses their own websites? No one gets traffic for that anymore, no matter how famous they are.

>>3167300
so that makes it ok to not be garbage, yeah nice logic

>>3166453
>look at all these furries drawing what they want and making 100k+ a year just by uploading their work files on patreon.
I don't know, sounds like a good deal to me, even if I hate furries.

>>3166453
Dishing out the cold hard truth

>>3166453
>because the troll using the phrase knows damn well that even if the poster is a good artist, he/she is not going to have their work recognized on a "please fire me immediately" website.
What a bullshit fucking excuse.
If you are any good you are bound to have hundreds of drawings you haven't posted anywhere and nobody knows are yours.

>>3167457
Beat me by a few seconds.
Also you can tell >>3166453 is obviously by his wordchoices.

>>3167462
obivously a shitposter*

>>3167248

I am working on my own graphic novel and do art as a secondary income. Smut art will last as long as patreon gets a paycheck and Disney doesn't sue them for supporting artists who draw copyrighted material. What is Doxy doing in Japan? Where else will a pervert who draws alt-porn all day make the best living other than a world closest to the mouse universe experiments? America sure, but you're talking about a weeb here.

>>3167341

>100,000k

You'll get 20,000 if you're well recognized and pump out 5-10 pictures a month. Not worth the work or dealing with the clients. They are cheap and want a cheap get off and you'll find it hard to charge more that $75 for something that's worth $150. So if you want to do twice the work for twice as less then be my guest. You'll also have to deal with the worst of the worst.
>>3167457
>>3167291

Yes, posts on a well recognized and established as "hateful" website have never gotten anyone fired. Ever.

>>3167488
>Yes, posts on a well recognized and established as "hateful" website have never gotten anyone fired. Ever.

That was not the point of >>3167457 , a good artist would have unpublished work that he can post to prove his skill without being traced back from 4chan. You would think a "pro" would at least have basic reading comprehension

>>3167494
This. "post your work/flash me" and even "gesture battle" all work, both as a funny meme and a perfectly viable request, especially when directed towards someone who purports to be speaking from the position of authority rather than just giving a flippant opinion or making a simple critical observation. The great majority if not ALL of the people on this board that have this bitter, often holier-than-thou attitude don't draw, or certainly don't draw well, and they fuckin' know it. So they make threads like this or posts like this >>3166453 role playing like they're some kind of hot shit insider. Pathetic, pedantic and certainly overweight virgins who should consider picking up a stylus and drawing instead of shitting on the few people on this board that do.

I post my work all the time and so do people across the entire spectrum of ability because that's exactly what this board is for. Saying that you're afraid of being persecuted for posting on 4chan after making a wild, self-aggrandizing claim is not an excuse.

>>3167607

post your work.

>>3167613
flash me

>>3166503

I unironically would

>>3167613
here you go stupid nigger

>>3166453
>No artist working in a professional environment would ever link anything having to do with themselves to /ic/ let alone 4chan. This is why you never see a "pro" posting on here, we're all in disguise. This is half the reason why "post ur work" is a meme, because the troll using the phrase knows damn well that even if the poster is a good artist, he/she is not going to have their work recognized on a "please fire me immediately" website.
Craig Mullins here, can confirm.

>>3167634
Nope (I already posted my work in this thread btw)

>>3167634
cute

>>3166682
The muscular girls were straight up pandering and in bad taste, ugh

>>3166893
Obviously. This lacks everything, its utter and distasteful shit.

>>3167607
But doesn't he get all his money through patreon, ye japan is the home of smut but they have to censor they work, so it seems kinda backwards for a smut artist to go there.

>>3167634
Cute, but it just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about in >>3167607
You're making a lot of assumptions without having any experience to back it up, however almost any pro worth their salt usually stops posting their own art on this board after a while.
Even those who originated in the threads here no longer post, but they still check in. Do you honestly believe within that circle of people who often know each other offline and may have even worked together people wouldn't be able to spot someone's mark or style on their own work?
I've only ever seen the post art meme work on beginners/hobbyists.

I've been working hard on my drawings for 2 years now and I cannoto wait to make a Patreon and get some money out of it just because I need the money really bad.
As far as I know comissions wont net you all the money those guys get so theres no other option.

>>3167258

That is marketing dumbass

>>3167607

>>3167613

>>3167615
10/10 so far

>>3167634
11/10

My day has been made.

>>3167805
>Do you honestly believe within that circle of people who often know each other offline and may have even worked together people wouldn't be able to spot someone's mark or style on their own work?

Not him, but yes, there’s no reason why someone who can actually do pro-level work would not be able to draw or paint something that doesn’t look like everything else they do. There’s no reason why they wouldn’t already HAVE drawings or paintings that don’t look like everything else they do.

>>3166453
Working on someone else's terms is barely better than working on popularity dollars. I'd rather aim for working on my own terms.

>>3166453
So Rebecca Sugar can draw Ed Edd n Eddy yaoi without anyone giving a fuck but the suits will scream bloody murder if they find one of my loomis head sketches in the art critique board of an anime meme site? Either you're completely full of shit, which you are, or the industry is truly on its last legs and young artists would do best to stay independent

>>3167843
>Ed Edd n Eddy yaoi
the fuck is wrong with her

>>3167843
thats because she stays away from crab bucket art communities like ic for example

>>3167881
The only bucket crab here is that larper trying to scare anons away from self improvement and promotion

>>3167805
That wasn't me, that was someone posting Maldraw's work. I've already posted work in this thread a couple times. Whether it's good or not is immaterial being that nothing I'd said was art-related in the slightest to begin with, though.

'Post your work' may mean several things, but it doesn't mean: "You're not on Ruan Jia's level so you could say the sky is blue and still be wrong", you goof.

>however almost any pro worth their salt usually stops posting their own art on this board after a while.

Nobody cares about the hacker known as 4chan anymore.

Peter Mohrbacher did an AMA here like 5 months ago for one thing. Think about it this way: highly respected industry artists are drawing gay softcore porn of the underage characters from Ed, Edd and Eddy or Oedipus complex fetish stuff starring an anthropomorphised cat and his busty mom on their tumblr. The great Bruce Timm animated a .gif of what I believe was Zatanna fingering the shit out of herself that was shared by Shane Glines on his facebook.

Its impossible to make it. Gave up everything, what little friends I have, all hobbies, video games, tv shows. Just to practice fundies after work grinding away.

I think it genetics. Some people have the sparks and some don't.

Worst I tried to draw the skull yesterday and I could not remember the details yet I studied it for four weeks.

Who ever made this scam image. Thanks for wasting two years of my life.

I lost some weight now that I'm not doing art 24/7. Might take up poker or programming.

>>3167896
Post your final work.

>>3167896
>two years
>giving up because it's "impossible"
What a joke

>>3166387
I'm better than the 99%, so of course they motivate me.

>>3167893
>Peter Mohrbacher did an AMA here like 5 months ago

can you link me to it?

>>3167896

you're clearly retarded. you'll fail at everything. go get an idiot proof normie job and live a simple unambitious life.

>>3167898
lmoa

>>3167910
You could try googling it, I can't remember if he even announced it was him in the thread or if he used one of his aliases-he did substantiate it with a blog post though so at the very least I imagine you could search "/ic/" on his blog

Ok nevermind I did it, but it appears it was just over a year ago-not five months like I'd said. Whoops.

https://twitter.com/search?q=bugmeyer%20%2Fic%2F&src=typd

>>3167896
Fuck. Thats depressing - you sure this image didnt help you at all???? It does kinda look like a scam since they call it the fastest way to improve, yet put fucking 10 years of books ya face.

>>3166453

Reading this was like a kick in the jimmies.
Will probably still post here like a retard though.

>>3167953
its bullshit.

>>3167881
Yes, I'm sure there are no other factors that account for her success.

>>3167954

No it's not. I know because the more successful kids I knew in art school would reflect the post's line of reasoning, more or less. For me it's just a reminder, nothing new.

After being here for a LONG time you also notice that people (usually) stop posting here after they've reached a certain level of skill and industry experience, for some 'mysterious' reason.

>>3167978
They obviously made friends that aren't just /ic/

>>3167978
Because they're too busy working to be toiling with bucket crabs?

>>3167971
Of all sad words of tounge and pen

>>3167978
I-I WILL STILL POST HERE AFTER I GET GOOD. I SWEAR

>>3167896
Every single one of those books is infinitely useful to an artist. You're never gonna make it because you've already given up and blamed others for your failure to achieve. I've been working my ass off really larning how to draw for 5+ years now and barely have jack shit to show for it, but I'm not gonna give up because I enjoy the process and the pursuit of my own creativity.

You're looking for a career that can somehow get you rich quickly, but without having to put in the work to get there. You wanted to be a paid professional in two years? Fuck you. Hey, you wanna try game development? I hear they're always looking for people who make posts about how they're never gonna be able to make a game, and how it's all somebody else's fault.

Get bent.

>>3168012
learning*

>>3167993

> Because they're too busy working to be toiling with bucket crabs?

I somehow doubt that, given how little effort it takes to post something in a draw thread.

>>3167982

No. It was out of serious concern for having their reputations ruined by posting here. When you put all that time, effort and money into getting a career you're going to put extra care into what and where you post, for the most part. /ic/ is no guarantee that you'll get turned down for work but it's not a risk a lot of people want to take.

At the very minimum if these people post here it'll be once in a blue moon, so infrequently that it's hard to really associate them with /ic/. I've seen a few of these posts in my lifetime, but they are quite rare. Fucking amazing when you see them but relatively easy to id the artist if they're popular.

>>3167971
>people are succesful because of muh jews

>>3167896
>Might take up poker or programming.

Don't bother, you'll just fail again. As you said, it is indeed genetics. You need to have an IQ of at least 80 to get good at art and most other activities that have any degree of complexity Someone like you getting good at poker or programming? Lmfao. Stay with video games and tv shows.

>want to make a patreon
>literally no idea what to do with it

>>3167896
just take up vidya making
plenty of people are making 15k++++ on patreon p month for games alone