/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3163551
worked on this a bit more

See, at this point I'm completely confused.

What the fuck does all this mean

this is getting me mad. I feel like there's something wrong with her arms but i really can't get how to make them work.
Also how the fuck do i hands

>>3164084
What's the book?

How are these planes?

>>3164152
I'm assuming you're on Drawabox? The difficult part comes later as you're told to fill in the boxes with circles. You can do it!

first time trying a bargue plate
r8

>>3164197
FIx your lines, man.

Guys the face is giving problems, and also i feel like my coloring is really flat. Any tips?

>>3164258
Your shadows have no hard edges, you blurred all of it therefore making it ultimately blurry and flat. Also try not to use straight shadows at random, use them to describe the form. Lastly, decide where the light is coming from.

>>3164258
Your shadows have no hard edges, you blurred all of it therefore making it ultimately blurry and flat. Also try not to use straight shadows at random, use them to describe the form. Lastly, decide where the light is coming from.

>>3164266
Should i keep those soft highlights and just put in hard shadows over them?

Fuck me. I can never get this right. How do I go about drawing landscapes? What could I do to improve this image?

>>3164297
Darker values, shade along forms, clear separations.

hi friends, im reposting this in the new /beg/ because i didn't get any responses last time. critique these hampton faces please!

>>3164038
you made her bone structure hard and sharp like a males face.

she may have very prominent cheekbones but trust me they're not sharp like that.
also that neck is too thick and the ear is too high

but the most important thing, you're working with the wrong perspective which is setting yourself up for failure in the long run because then you won't be able to visually see whats wrong with it if you were to just simply compare it with the image.

>>3164297
you aren't taking your time with construction. post the reference if you have one, if you don't then draw from reference for a while until you understand what things actually look like

how do i git better at line art in general?

>>3164258
I did a weird exercise, I tried to fix what I saw as incorrect in your drawing using what I know. Of course I am a filthy /beg/ so I'm not really trying to give serious critique, it's just an experiment. I'd like some kind anon to tell me stuff that's still wrong. (I know about the hands but I had no idea how to do those, I only did the body)

Another ball. I think I made the shadow too bright. I tried an oil brush as opposed to a strong airbrush, seems much harder to get smooth value transitions.

>>3164320
Yes thank you. But I never intended to draw it in the same perspective, I just used the photo as a reference.

>>3164326

>>3164298
What do you mean by clear separations?
>>3164323
Ref. I don't really know how to use structure on things that aren't animals or people. I feel like I might have made a mistake in choosing what was already a pretty dark scene to begin with.

I tried doing some gestures from imagination to see if I can at least get the anatomy to be somewhat correct.

>>3164369
Nice, what game?

>>3164373
Morrowind, with the graphics overhaul

>>3164297
Low contrast and only drawing with the side of the pencil turns it into porridge.

Make the darks DARK and vice versa, make hard edges HARD. Discard your own thoughts and draw what is actually there.

>>3164372
Aren`t you too cool for this thread?

I've been working on body anatomy for about a month an a half.
>I threw a shit face on to show expression while I draw
>Also I'm working on perspective and for shortening more
I feel I have the hang of it and should start to stylize it to my liking

What do you think I should focus on?

>>3164417
What?

>>3164372
cleaner lines dawg.

Why am I so shit at blocking in colours? How do I get better? I don't know why but I'm just so shit at it. I'm a lot better at actually painting them probably from the get go.

>>3164098
Not him but looks like hampton figure drawing . I'm on chapter 1 so im not sure though

>>3164320

Obviously he/she is just loosely using the ref.

2

>>3164439
You don't know how light and shadow works likely. It's just planes.

>>3164339
I find it hard to remove the linework when im coloring cause i feel like when i get rid of it it looks worse. I like what youve done though. Do you think its better to just be laying in more hard shadows and just have a small amount of those soft highlights?

>>3164453
Finaly? that's a lot of improvement, good job

Read keys to drawing what the fuck do I even start on now.

>>3164484
stop reading and draw

>>3164485
Draw what

>>3164484
>>3164486
Each chapter has a set of specific exercises. It literally tells you what to draw, how to draw it and how much time it should take you.

>>3164486
What's your favorite plant
What's your favorite food
Draw something that interests you. Or you could draw a box

>>3164486
idk, your shoe? I drew my shoe a bunch of times

>>3164491
Those were too boring. I did try the shoe drawing though.

>>3164494
>too boring

NEVER going to make it.

>>3164507
There goes my last chance of becoming anything

>>3164537
It's your own shitty attitude about what it takes to move forward. But if you enjoy drawing deviantart-tier work for the rest of your life then who's to tell you otherwise?

>>3164524
How do I become a master of hair like you senpai?

>>3164266
>>3164258
>>3164339
Better than before?

>>3164538
But I can't draw anything

>>3164546
you are proving (and probably missing) my point with every post you make

bless you

>>3164422
Yeah I know my lines need work but other than that is there anything bad about the poses/anatomy?

>>3164084
What he's saying has less to do with those muscles specifically, and more to do with a train of thought he uses to generally understand anatomy. Asymmetry is very common in muscles, so he uses this idea to to illustrate how these muscles connect and interlock with each other. In this example, he draws an arrow through the groups of muscles of the scapula, and this "gesture" sort of interlocks asymmetrically with the gesture of the arm. In this case, it's a little contrived imo, but it's a useful idea to keep in mind and he even encourages you to come up with your own way of understanding it.

>>3164546
>>3164538
>>3164537
I literally hate you.

>>3164524
I really love this. I don't know exactly what about it, it's just cool, did you use reference? The pot is quite ugly tho.

>>3164565
Thanks so much! No reference, but that's actually supposed to be a watering can kek

>>3164600
Yeah, twas just my bad english, I like that it's there, it makes it feel as though she was working and then sat down to take a rest and wipe sweat from her fore-head. It looks as though she's in the process of crossing her legs, which makes it feel dynamic..
That kettle thing maybe I'd use a ruler.

>>3164372
I'm so fucking jealous.

I am so fucking ngmi

>>3164635
No, you just keep forgetting that artists who draw without references have been drawing for much longer than you have.

>people who put WIP on their pics
>people who write little notes about what is wrong on their studies

>>3164635
Tfw can't even do either.

Where is a good jumping off point? I really don't want to do Loomis because I don't want to learn how to draw those goofty looking 50s faces, I want to learn to draw porn.

>>3164710
Easiest thing to do is draw because we all know you don't draw. Draw anything but make sure it's right.

>>3164711
Thanks for the great advice, faggot.

>>3164704
>little notes about what is wrong on their studies
What's wrong with that?

If I read Loomis, but I really really like another artist's art style, will reading Loomis potentially alienate me from mimicing that style or overall make it easier?

>>3164710
Nope, you need Loomis (particularly for construction), Vilppu (loosening up your lines, dynamic poses), and Perspective Made Easy (perspective is absolutely important in porn if you want those crazy good camera perspectives to work) at the bare minimum. If you have absolutely no idea how to study those books then start with Keys to Drawing.

>>3164737
So Loomis won't lock me into knowing only one style, but will just act as a tool to teach me the fundamental building blocks of drawing? I just want to make sure I'm getting the right message.

>>3164741
Yes, I don't think you'll ever get locked in any one style, specially while you're in the process of learning the basics. You're studying the method and not the style, after all.

>>3164372
Mad jelly about these poses, aside from practice, what resources did you take to get good at gesture and figure?

sai broke so I'm using paint until CSP goes on sale again.

>>3164838
ghostfuckers?
>>3164726
did you just take a red ballpoint pen and redlIne your own drawing on your sketchbook? Why not just erase and redraw?
>>3164719
absolutely nothing. no one makes>>3164704 face when people add notes on their studies.
>>3164635
okay

>>3164890
>ghostfuckers
Idea for a t-shirt design.

A shitty doodle I did while waiting a game install. I only drew the orientation lines of the face and drew the rest of the body freehand. I know it looks shitty but I'm kinda happy with it because it's the first time in a long time I drew something with character/personality. Usually I'm grinding and I don't allow myself to have fun.

My point is; my fellow beginners, you should draw something for yourself ever once in a while. Even if you aren't in the level you want to be. It helps to keep your love for art alive.

>>3164890
The redlines are errors I made, I wanted to remind myself I made those errors so they wouldn't happen again (hoping).

So I guess I’ll post a work I did recently, not really much of a beginner in the fashion of when I began to draw, but it’s only been in the last few weeks that I felt I was any good at it, so I guess I’m a beginner that way!

So what's a recommendation for an absolute beginner?

>>3164911
this video is great if you wanne improve fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

>>3164759
Aside from practice, the only other resources I used were mainly sycras videos and that one website that had those figure exercises(line of action or something like that). Other than that I practiced alot on using the basic construction of the figure to try to picture it in a certain pose if that makes any sense.

>>3164911
Don't listen to >>3164917 . You can watch the video as an insight to the way people learn things but it's a pretty terrible way of going about things (as is evident as this namefag's work since he wanna namefag). There is a reason Syrca is memed on lmao.

The problem with that "method" is that you'd be stuck to focusing on a single aspect (and even worse, view) of what you're drawing and that if you want to change things up, you'd have to start all the way over.

This video should clear up any misunderstandings you have with my post. It should start to click in your head at around the 3:30 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNhFLcsgh8

tl;dw the process of UNDERSTANDING a subject will help you out so much more in the long run and in general since you're asking more in-depth questions about what you're drawing and will be internalized better.

If you're a beginner, just fuck off and read keys to drawing and work on your observational skills for now because that's all you need to work on. Of course do fun stuff on the side but fundamentals are what gets you better, not fluff. Or you can do Syrca's method and wonder why you haven't improved after a year.

>>3164933
But yev does iterative drawing and he's better than most of /ic/.

>>3164917
literally never listen to this name

>>3164937
Who, Sycra or big heads t-rex arms guy?

>>3164939
both

>>3164939
both but more so bhtrag

>>3164939
>>3164940
I think Sycra has some merit. But the way he presents things is actually dogshit especially considering that youtube "teaching" has been his thing.

>>3164917
what a dickhead xD

how to git gud at perspective architecture drawing, do i need rulers or everything is with pulse??

>>3164967
Ruler for all architectural drawings. We had one of these for all architectural and perspective drawings, slightly elevated to make everything easier:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Drafting_board_with_T_Square.jpg/1200px-Drafting_board_with_T_Square.jpg

>>3164969
excellent, thanks mate

First time playing with glow in the dark paint

Sup /beg/ I am actually not a drawfag but I want to find one, I need recommendations on how to find one and how to set rules that benefit both of us.

Tell me what stupid questions not to ask and the best way to provide feedback.

>>3164987
love and care your drawfag, water them every day and give them lots of headpats

>>3164989
KEK

I was being serious, I know there are stupid questions that trigger every expert in a given field I want to avoid those.

Some of todays loomis

Onto working on the dreaded hands.

>>3165036
Dude, NO.
Open this
http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/loomis-planes.jpg
Trace the image and compare it to your drawn image. Now draw the image free hand.

Now open up this
Rotate this head in a viewer and draw it, rotate it, draw it, rotate it, draw it etc!
https://sketchfab.com/models/aa6109c909594b0188b1e0b06a22c74a
Forget about construction for the moment. If you get it wrong, trace it. Compare and draw it freehand. Once you figure out how to draw that head then try some construction but seriously, I wouldn't even do any construction at all, I'd just keep drawing actual heads since as you can see here, there are a shitton of 3D rotateable heads in existence and learning how to construct heads from scratch is likely to be worthless skill compared to figuring out how to construct bodies from scratch.

Currently there is no o.bj ripper script for ripping non downloadable shit (all the userscripts on github are fucked I double checked since about a month or two ago)

But for downloadable sketchfab items you can open it in blender and control the orientation/rotation very precisely. Press 5 to toggle it to perspective and shift+z to preview a render
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Navigation_in_3D

3D models exist of fucking everything, from /co/shit like Rick and Morty to 3D game model rips from Pokemon. The shit that you MUST learn construction for is hands and bodies because this shit is fucking difficult to model Designdoll, CSP and Daz3D but making a v. accurate model can take a very long time).

If you are still symbol drawing, rotate your paper as you rotate the image to spot mistakes. Digital artists can assign shortcut keys in SAI and photoshop for rotation and can additionally get these pressed using wacom express keys. Just a warning, if you want to be the Ruan Jia or some shit, you'll need references anyway because construction won't give you flawless lighting even if you are a god.

>>3165051
Was this written by a woman? It reads as though it was.

>>3165064
It definitely was you fucking faggot.

is doing these helping?

>>3165072
mfw my intial reaction was to disregard it upon hearing this
im too far in

>>3165051
Wait, am I reading your advice correct here, are you saying not to bother learning how to draw the face and instead just copy 3d models every time you want to draw a head?
that sounds fucking stupid dude

>>3165090
Kind of. But portraits would be more challenging and teach you more. The lips are all very flat. Try to break the planes like you did on some of the noses. Also avoid outlining and keep the black lines for the darker areas like inside the nostrills and between the lips.

>>3164635
The stucture has to be much stronger in both cases that's why.

>>3164524
It's lacking perspective and all bu the hair is kinda cool, I'll give you that. The composition is pretty cool too.

>>3164453
Those top portraits are lovely, very nice use of the mediums, pretty expressive too. Keep at it.

>>3164419
Scan it properly and resize. The construction doesn't look bad.

>>3164340
That's the spirit but yeah, the green ball should blend with the environment with that kind of lighting. Also try blending those brushstrokes unless that ball is made of clay.

>>3164315
The eyes and lips are flat like the other Anon. Brake the planes. Work much bigger if you have to.

>>3164152
Most of them are slightly curved. Whatever, keep praticing, maybe on a more fun exercice if you can.

>>3164084
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Hampton is very helpful but his semantics are all over the place. He often uses the word gesture for rhythm which is kind of far fetched and confusing IMO. And timing doesn't make too much sense either.

Will I ever make it?

>>3165153

>>3165153
>>3165156
Not if you can't figure out how to flip your images upright you won't.

>>3165153
stop trying to make clean drawings, let yourself be messy even with pen but focus on the reference more

>>3165160
Posted from my phone. My bad.

aight guys, fuck me up

how do people do portraits with the nice fance shading and stuff. I just cant wrap my head around it.

>>3165275
start grey

>>3164704
They'd look at me like that for turning up at the party alone

>>3165279
better or should I use darker darks?

>>3165291
you fucking inbred

>>3165293
in case you were wondering i called you an inbred because of the sheer magnitude of the hubris you had in thinking that what i meant was just apply a grey layer to the thing you already made.and that that would solve the problem.

start with grey then paint in light and dark

>>3165294
what the fuck does start grey even mean?

>>3165294
I redid it, this time with a grey background. the results just turned out looking the same.

thats why I asked the question about having to shade it darker or something.

How long did you draw for when you just started out?

I feel like I draw organic boxes or gestures for an hour and I've had enough. It's horrible.

>>3165314
As long as I felt like, but I drew everyday and still do.

>>3165314
>organic boxes
What are these

>just 4 months away from my first year of drawing
>I think I'm a little bit worse at rendering than I was 4 months ago, about equal in anatomy, and just a little bit better on figure drawing

fug my soul hurts

>>3165318
but it's so hard and torturous

how did you do it?

>>3165327
How do you get anything done?

>>3165335
I don't.

I'm a NEET of 5 years. Need to get out of this hell.

>>3165340

>>3165342
too weak to live

??

>>3165304
you start with a base, mid tone. Then you can push with darks and pull with lights. Never put a full white on it unless you use it as a super highlight. This image might help

>>3165374
Don't use black outlines when you're painting

>>3164704

Adding notes is actually a good way to learn.

>>3165386
everytime I try to do it with no outlines I cant seem to get the eyes right.

>>3165391
You need to copy from ref a lot. Pick a black and white photo and try to do it without outlines. Keep in mind values and sharp vs soft edges.

When will this pain end.

I find it weird that most beginners posting here usually post invented subject, when I think they should show their exercises, full sheets of paper, so they can ask if they're doing them well and what should be changed. Most of them probably don't even draw every day and if yes they definitely don't draw for at least 3 hours. Doing one exercise and calling it a day won't get you anywhere.

>>3165406

When you start learning properly.

>>3165483
What is the proper way to learn because you fags just keep telling me to just draw.

how did I do

>>3165484
>he fell for the "just draw" meme

>>3165498
Looks pretty nice for a beginner.

>>3165501
Which meme should I fall for then?

>>3165498
Looks like a poor attempt at tracing with a wanttobeanime head slapped on top of it.

>>3165505
The "stop being a sheep" meme.

>>3165508
The fuck does that even mean

>>3165507
where did I fuck up

>>3165510
wake up sheeple!

>>3165510
good goy

>>3165510
read the sticky

>>3165512
Big fuckup on the head, jaw, tits, hand, knees and feet. But that's to be expected and your construction overall is still promising so keep at it.

>>3165537
I already did.

How does it look to you?

>>3165541
now follow it

>>3165312

>>3165551
that is a massive dongle

Alright time for some feet and perspective

>>3165560
Forget pic

Do I have "the spark" /ic/?

>>3165565
Yes, now make it.

>>3165040
I realy liked it mate.
sorry if i cant do any critics because i'm a beginner

>>3165565
yes

whatever happened to putting refs at the beginning of /beg/ threads?

>>3165571

>>3165571
OP got lazy.

>>3165572

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>>3165584
here you go /beg/, study some or all of these

pls kritik

I know this is probably one of those questions thats asked 10 million times every day but something I find an issue with is knowing when I should be moving forward?

Like when I started with fun with a pencil and he was drawing faces I had a massive issue because I understood what he was trying to put across about thinking in 3d but I still couldn't just draw a nose out of nowhere. Left me sitting for a while thinking do I just...stay here on the first set of exercises and keep going till my faces look as good as his? Is it good enough to understand the concepts and then move on and keep practicing as I go? etc.

I got past that (thank god because it's literally the baby mode starting point) but i'm just curious how other people determine whether they've done good enough to turn the page or not.

>>3165598
It's good enough to understand the concepts and then move on and keep practicing as you go.

>>3165567
Would tattoo artist be makin it? Or is that degenerate for this board?

>>3165596
Use a reference, read about dynamics but most of all... pick up an anatomy lesson or two.

>>3165596
it's kinda shit
square one type of stuff.
Sticky

>>3165598
Don't overthink that. Don't try to get it perfect before moving on but do try to nail down the essential concepts.You should also be doing exercises from previous sections at the beginning of a study session, so you'll polish your skills on earlier concepts as you go.

>>3165596
Before any further critiques, this one requires a red line but no one is ballsy enough to do it.

>>3165609
it's really a waste of time to redline here, OP is lacking in real basic shit and wouldn't benefit from a redline as much as they would from moving on, studying, and leaving that drawing in the past

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>>3165614
ty i didnt understand most of that so ill read the sticky i guess

how do draw?

>>3165626
By not painting.

>>3165609

If it's that bad it's pointless to redline.

>>3165609
> Asks correction by redlining a total mess
Are you shortsighted? Cus that's a red flag.

>>3165586
just ignore the fact that my paper is fucked

Has anyone ever tried painting with their dick? Do you think I could sell art by smashing my cock against a canvas

>>3165680
Surprisingly neat for someone who's paper is fucked.

>>3165695
There was actually a guy who did that, I forgot his name though but I'm sure if you google painting with dick, you'll find him.

>>3165573
eat my shorts. theyre all from quickposes anyway

>>3164541
Not really.

I'd ditch this drawing and start a new one with a reference for the pose and lighting. This one... is not working.

>>3165561
Cool hands, awful feet.

>>3165596
god save us all

>>3165695
I don't know. Don't have a dick. I can only imagine it would be like finger painting but with less finesse and a higher chance of getting paint up your urethra.

From a medical standpoint, I probably wouldn't recommend it.

I've painted with human blood before, taken out of a vein. It's a bit like doing a monochrome watercolor that will end up in sepia tones even though you're painting in red/brown.

>>3165680
really good, I think the perspective is a bit fucky on the cube but I might be wrong

How do I draw eyes evenly. Every time I have to draw the other eye left or right it comes out retarded.

>>3165754
Just keep trying. Erase, measure if you have to.

Wow this thread keeps getting sadder and sadder. The "artists" here only get worse. No one offers good advice and you all lie to each other about your skill levels. Pathetic.

>>3165758
Post your work

>>3165757
How do I measure digitally

>>3165761
With lines obviously.

>>3165760
Nah I've decided that I'm not going to draw anymore until I'm good at it.

I really don't know where to go from here.

>>3165784
Determine light source. Add shadows and high lights.

>>3165784
Here's the original

>>3165784
This is from 1 year ago tomorrow (pure coincidence that I decide to pick up painting again today). This was from eyedropper tool, though, and it took a few sessions to get that far (and it's still incomplete).

>>3165784
>>3165788

not the best ref if you wanna learn how to paint anon.

Try again with something that has bold highlights and shadows. Some thing B&W might be good too

>>3165791
Something like this? I remember citizen kane having good shadows and highlights.

Are my leg studies going ok? They're all from photos and it took about 30 minutes. I know I should be doing more than 1 sheet but I have a fever and I don't feel too well

>>3165795
close but no, here's an example of what I mean.

Painting frames from movies might not be the best idea most times.

I have a problem I never end a drawing. Is this worth spending a few hours on rendering and drawing the face? Any pointers?

>>3165802
And just stick with monochrome, right? I feel like I should restart back from step one.

>>3165804
not worth it, focus more on practicing instead of polishing what are still turds. The hand is too big and the figure overall lacks structure

Was gonna render this but the pose and design ended up kinda lame so I'll just post the lineart.
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>>3165808
the hand does look awful big in the picture itself, so I think it's more of a fore-shortening issue

"focus more on practicing"
but if I never practice finishing pieces am I not gonna be an eternal doodler?

>>3165810
That picture is awful for practicing, it's blurry and it looks weird. The internet is full of high resolution photos, use those.
And by practicing what I mean is doing things that'll make you improve quicker than polishing everything. To say it bluntly, to improve you have to draw a lot. If you spend time polishing, you're not drawing, and most times when you're beg you polish without really paying attention to the forms. So you should improve your critical eye before doing finished pieces, or you'll develop bad habits. Copy from real life too, and check out ctrlpaint and drawabox so you have a guide on what to do next.

>>3165806
yeah value is more important than color. Color theory is its own beast, to be tackled not only by copying photographs but also by deliberate study of how light interacts with colored surfaces.

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>>3165544
I love this place

>>3165818
I'm actually taking a color theory class now.

>>3165823
The sticky is a meme.

>>3165824
What are you learning? What's the schedule for the rest of the class?

I seem to have plateaued recently, and it's been getting harder and harder to make myself actually draw on any given day. Before I was drawing close to 6 hours every day, and now it seems like every time I draw all that practice has gone to waste, because my skill level has kind of dropped off a bit.
I don't want to not draw, I enjoy doing art, so I guess if nothing else this is just one of those big walls I have to get past. But it's such a challenge that I'm having a hard time rekindling my drive.
How do you guys get yourself to work through your slumps? Is this one of those times when it's the most important that I draw every day, or should I give it a break and pick up again in like a week or so?

>>3165835
Try to experiment. Think of something you've never drawn before and draw it. Try a new medium. If all of this fails, taking a break might be beneficial, but keep yourself in it mentally by analyzing mentally and watching speedpaints and stuff. Mental practice is underappreciated.

i really want to do a web comic

>>3165856
Just do it now

>>3165862
I'm currently doing story boarding....but I'm not so sure of where to post this or even if anyone will read it.

>>3165868
if you post it here I'll give critique and post mine eventually

storyboarding is more interesting than drawing anyway, I'm just learning to draw so my storyboards don't look like shit and I can write comics faster

no matter what kids say here, /ic/ is an art board, not drawing board, so comics included

>>3165878
thanks and can/will do.

>>3165888

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>>3165888
Are the back of heels supposed to be loose like this?

Hello anons.

The main goal of this painting was to study brush work.
How do can I make it look like natural media?

Is it normal have problems painting with custom brushes?

>>3165893
Considering the character she is based off of, no.

>TFW U remember ur NGMI
Going to bed now. :(

>>3165939
>tfw a NGMI-er is better than you

At what moment did you realize you were NGMI and that dreams are just dreams? I feel it every time I take a picture of one of my abominations.

>>3165948
Took me 4 years

>>3165948
Better than me

>>3165948
Literally the first month of hardcore fundamentals and /ic/ standards. Then I said fuck that and now I'm mediocre.

>>3165948
When your parents and everyone at school says you're not gonna make it as an artist and will just starve. Imagine if you got the reverse and was actually supported. Probably would have made it.

>>3165955
>hardcore fundamentals and /ic/ standards
>/ic/ standards
there's your problem

>>3165948
Depends on what it means on NGMI.

>will I ever become a Grand Master

No, I started in my 20's, if I wanted to be a master I'd have to have started in my teens at worst.

>will I make 120k a month like Sakim

Probably not nothing I draw I see other people enjoying, furthermore my tastes aren't mainstream. I am not clairvoyant so I don't know but I doubt it. Luckily I have a great STEM job so I don't care

>will I get to where I want to be

Here's hoping, I'll keep working towards it till I drop dead because I enjoy it so far.

>>3165948
>me in 2 years

>>3165963
Striving for perfection is pretty good, gets you improving quick. Only those who are weak willed won't.

>>3165973
define perfection?

>>3165983
kjg

>>3165951
I wonder if I can suffer for so long.
>>3165953
Don't worry, there's no making it where we are going, small difference in skill is irrelevant.
>>3165961
Fuck the police.
>>3165966
I just wanna draw comics but I don't want them to look like shit and I wanna have very expressive characters and a good visual library and to be able to draw dynamic poses and well composed frames. Just that seems too difficult.
>>3165969
Hopefully not.

>>3165994
Stop being so melodramatic anon, go look at progress threads or portfolio of great artists to remind yourself that change occurs over several years. If you think it is too difficult then you clearly don't want it badly enough.

Keys to drawing, Right side of the brain, Drawabox, Youtube... There's so many resources but I don't know what to focus on. Is it normal to feel a bit overwhelmed?

Can I learn to draw and not do portraits

>>3166009

>>3166004
just venting senpai

>>3166007
Yeah, but the first thing to do is actually quite easy. It's just to be able to draw what's in front of you.

>>3165374
The eye is flat.

>>3166042
How do you do it

>>3166047
all rick and morty fans just have massive IQ.

>>3166047
What I did was draw a few poses with Proko. Then draw and draw and draw and draw from quickposes.com/en (until I hopefully fix my anatomy), draw from references posted in this thread and try and copy Loomis' linework.

For shading + colours I watch videos + do master studies. You just have to grind forever.

>>3166051
I've been trying the quickposes thing but feel retarded when I do it. Like I'm just copying the outlines of what I'm seeing and not the shapes/forms.

>>3166052
I spent a long time - probably more like half an hour - to try and get the poses right. You have to really try and focus and flip the canvas every few minutes (copy and paste the photo onto the canvas) when starting out and the instant you see yourself fucking up - you might even need to delete it all. Earlier this year, it took me a few tries to even start doing the pose for every single sketch, but now it's taking fewer tries/sometimes it doesn't take more than 1 try to get it vaguely right.

If you find yourself taking more than 3 attempts, I overlay the image and trace it (I did this a few times earlier this year and now I no onger really need to do it) in order to figure out where I'm fucking up - then move onto the next one and try and get that right within 3 attempts to eyeball it.

Assign a shortcut key to flip the canvas if you can it will make it a lot easier. Over time, you'll probably need to do it less often as you symbol draw less, but if you want to be accurate you'll spam it.

Still not sure how those people draw gestures in 60 seconds on quickposes (although I do seem to be getting a bit better, but 99% of the time I don't even finish the image). If I want to grind quick poses, I usually set it to 3 minutes and 80% of the time I'll end up with something that looks human.

>>3166052
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Also, it can help to open these images:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/06/59/3d065938c0abc36f1a6c0fe028a518e4.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/39/ff/d739ff90fae2dc389a367b3ee7bda663.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Nmgrti6.png
(and whichever one was the pose for female) because he tends to try and break down the shapes which can help prevent you drawing only the outline.

>>3166057
They just look like outlines to me

>>3166059
It kind of is. I'm trying to bruteforce some construction lines. It's wrong to say that I'm only using Loomis because I also use 3D models (eg if your base body is a girl and are not sure how the perspective works you can find a torso model and rotate it in order how to figure out how to loomis it) and other people's (construction?) lines to inform my own use of them.

Krenz's depiction of muscles (you can torrent his patreon but I didn't watch it)
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NrPNJ

0033 (it's a very good break down of anime anatomy)
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=12752243

After a while at staring at both loomis AND the pose in question I think that I get a sense that the pose is 3D. I really struggled with seeing anything except the outline a few years ago but after seeing the work of good anons like Firez and Krenz, Loomis etc it comes more naturally. I just open it a few times and try and figure out where the muscles are to break the form down into blocks from observation and examining loomis etc to see where it should be. I don't think it's the most scientific approach but I just try and do it anyway.

>>3166059
It's also easier to draw in SAI than it is in PS (I'm using SAI v2 2017.08.16 at the moment) for the initial sketch, but PS has better texture brushes.

>>3166068
I'm using csp and just one of the pencil brushes

And Pixiv finally got their shit together.

>>3166070
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https://www.pixiv.net/howto

>>3166069
CSP also has good stabiliser control yeah.

>>3166071
Do you use the stabilizers? I've just had them at zero and I feel fucked.

>>3166073
For all my sketching shit like >>3166042 I set SAI stabiliser to 6 and density to about 70%. Any time I use SAI I have stabiliser set to 6 or 5.

Any time I use Photoshop CC I obviously can't use a stabiliser and decided that Lazy Nezumi was fucking shit: but in my opinion, my motor skills tend to transfer anyway https://i.imgur.com/DC2MZZS.png

I'm not the best artist in existence, but I believe in using and abusing everything you can possibly get your hands on.

>>3165118
>I wouldn't worry too much about that. Hampton is very helpful but his semantics are all over the place.
seems like a bad idea to just ignore stuf he says tho

>>3166042
Where do you get your model poses from? Those are really good.

>>3166079
Used: hyperangle, googling hyperangle
Other sauces: this thread, /ic/ Bodies in Motion, quickposes, leddit's quickposes http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/, there are also those shitty posebooks on cgpeers, pinterest, google, zerochan's pose page, pixiv's pose page and those shitty pose stock pages on deviantart.

DIY pose creation software: designdoll, CSP, daz3d.

hyperangle: >>3164527

How the fuck do i do hatching without messing with texture?

How many gesture drawings should I strive to do daily? To start out I'm doing 10 1 minute ones followed by 10 2 minute ones and I already feel pretty out of it by the end of that

>>3166108
6 hours of gestures obviously like Villpu makes his students do.

Should I even bother getting a degree in art? I want to take some classes when I go back to school but I hear getting a degree in art is career suicide unless you're good and know people

>>3164933
everyone learns differently and some people dont understand or learn through fundamentals they just draw instinctively.

>>3166108
The most important thing is not to get burned out. You're going to be drawing for years and I think that past a certain number of drawings per day you'll probably get diminishing returns.

>>3166044

Anyone have advice on how to enjoy drawing again? I used to love it and draw every day but I stopped because my mind got pre-occupied by someone that consumed my every thought.

It's now more than five years later and each time I try to draw it feels like a chore. Nothing seems to come out right, and I can feel a distinct disconnect between what I want to draw in my head and what my hand actually puts on the paper. I then get discouraged and quit, then feel bad about quitting. Repeat.

Does forcing yourself work? Or will it just make me resent art altogether?

>>3166163
Get a new hobby.

>>3166170
But I want to draw. It was the only thing I was ever good at.

>>3166172
I'm sorry for your loss.

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>>3166175
This is a bucket crab. don't let them get to you

Where do I start with drawing landscapes?
I've been doing nothing but figure drawing the past months and I'm completely lost on how to do landscapes/

>>3166176
snibeti snab

>>3166163
Draw fanart of your favourite character(s)

>>3166197
And prepare yourself for disappointment.

>>3166199

Coolorus 2.5.9.469
https://www.sendspace.com/file/8p0tt9
Enjoy your colour wheel you fags.

>>3166177
basics of perspective + james paick environment design on cgpeers

>>3166163
focus on getting good

>>3166115
If it's not entertainment design, there is mostly no point.

>>3166115
Well be realistic, how many people do you think get jobs in art based on a degree and how many do you think get jobs based on a portfolio of work.

However, the motivation and amount of knowledge you'd get from a degree would be extremely high. Like I personally struggle to learn on my own sometimes because I get demotivated, but if I had projects and deadlines and all that structure i'd do a lot better, so it depends if that's worth it to you.

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>>3165565
Help my buddy gave me some sumi ink but im havin trouble keepin it together

>>3165374
you should stop drawing from imagination for a while

>>3166450
Idk how to draw from ref.