/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

A lot of pixiv artists aren't really good at drawing but they color their shit anyways. Should I do the same

>>3157569
Well, as long as you're trying to learn from it. I.E looking into color theory and putting an objective to it. Alternatively if you find it the fun part of drawing, then do it for the sake of enjoying yourself for that sweet mileage.

I need to push more the values right?

The main goal of this was to learn a new way of rendering.

I did this a few months back. I've been messing around with SAI for a bit, but i've never been able to replicate this look. I have no idea how i did this, fuck me. This is very, very close to how i would like all of my art to look. I like the partially unfinished aesthetic.Anyone have any resource or chart i might of used? I was kind of out of my skull when i did this.

>>3157603
I don't really consider this beginner, it'd look great in a fully drawn out street or something

>>3157615
Thank you, I'm very critic on my drawings that is why I consider myself a Beginner. It's funny because I can see what is wrong but I don't have the skill to improve it. Here sometimes there is very experienced anons they easily will call my drawings shit and I like that lol. it push me more to improve.

Is it detrimental for my learning to use multiply and color dodge layers in my art? Should I get good at color picking the shadow color instead of adding a multiply layer over the local color?

>>3157636
I'm not a pro anon but I think is common sense to avoid tools that you don't need when you are learning.

For example If I want to make Loomis studies I don't do it in the computer because adding the computer it will be another obstacle for my main goal. so I do it traditional. Same for colors, if I want to study colors I avoid the layers modes, and sometimes I do it traditional.

Are the muscles in the purple circle part of the deltoid or trapezius?

>>3157603
The placement of the hat is a bit awkward.

>>3157645
Latissimus dorsi I think

>>3157645

>>3157658 Bingo

Those are the lats as the come from the the lower back, around the rib cage and attaching into the humerus

>>3157657
got it.. thank you

>>3157645
It's latissimus dorsi 100%, I had an anat lab last friday and we were going over a dissection.

If you're ever confused about which muscle is which, grab a copy of Rohen's Photographic study of the human body and Netter's Atlas from gen.lib.rus.ec

I know this is bad but I'm a beginner. Any critiques?

>>3157736
leave /beg/

>>3157736
How are you so good?

>>3157736
I encourage you to continue with your art skills. Good job buddy

thoughts?
it looks creepy to me
I would post the reference but at some point I stopped trying to copy it and just used it for lighting reference so now it looks nothing like it
I feel like I overused the smudge tool or I'm just not using it correctly

Thoughts? My first time trying to draw with photoshop...

Is this bird complete garbage?

Used a loomis man face profile for this one

Will figure drawing really help me draw from imagination?

this probs belongs in /retarded/ but I have no clue where to go with studies once i get to this point

like my brain just doesn't understand the next step, or even what the end goal here is

>>3157736
Not bad but as many would suggest, just go back to the fundamentals.

And it's alright to draw what you want in the middle of your studies, don't feel like you have to force yourself to do the fundamentals 24/7.

Art is mostly self discovery.

>>3157820
>Not bad
>back to fundamentals
implying he was ever there in the first place
>its alright
implying anythings alright
>art is mostly self discovery
art is discovery of the empirical standards of quality you fucking pleb

>>3157818
You have nice lines but you literally can not measure for shit. Actually read Keys to Drawing or go to dorien-iten/accuracy (it is free). In a couple of weeks your symbol drawing will be a little less embarrassing.

>>3157816
if u have to ask this there's probably no hope left honestly

>>3157840
ty, anon... i will become stronger!! for you!

>>3157842
yes or no you double nigger not a complicated question.

>>3157795
The shape looks fine, not very dynamic but it's not a very dynamic pose so that's fine. On a side note I really like the suspicion in the birds little seedy eyes.

>>3157852
haha, thanks, Im trying to follow inktober this month so ill go over the drawing with some ink

>>3157847
Now I want to ask you a question: What is the general point of people doing figure studies aside from accuracy practice? I am not trying to throw you for a loop or anything now.

>>3157864
I legitimately have no clue, I know drawing primitive shapes helps to internalize them and draw things like boxes and cylinders from memory but the human body just seems too complicated for any amount of that to help. The only reason I know is that people are told to do it.

>>3157867
You are right in thinking that it's done to internalize parts of the body in certain positions, but you need to understand that things need to be broken down into manageable chunks. So when you say it;s "complicated" that's because it is. You will not get it right in the first week or month or year, but what matters is that you should keep going. Take each bit at a time and just remember to internalize what you're drawing and learn from it so that one day you can draw a full body correctly without any reference at all.

>>3157562

>>3157867
>human body just seems too complicated
the point is that the human body and all its parts can be simplified into very simple, easy to understand AND REMEMBER shapes, like boxes/cylinders/spheres

>>3157880
How long does each take you to do? Also do you erase?

>>3157880

>>3157882
Like 1-3 min

>>3157883
Do you mentor?

>>3157881
>>3157877
Alright, that makes sense.

>>3157886
Loool. Nice baito. I'm still /beg/

>>3157891
Discipline me anyways senpai

>>3157645
As what everyone said, that is the lats. If you're ever confused, just keep in mind that the deltoid is a pretty lonely little muscle. All it really does is hangs out with the clavicle and the humerus. The lats and the pecks are both attention whores - always wanting to do all the work of the upper body - always getting all up in everyone's business. Always trying to look intimidating.

What are some textbooks/resources that're good for people that want a lot of regimented exercises and instructions on how to develop self-critique as a soft-skill?

I've seen this formula too often
>one exercise every few pages, tends to be fairly short

I'm aiming to study and finish a textbook every week and a half so....yeah, it'll all go to shit if things are too abstract.

Well it's been 3 months since I started drawing and here's my first digital painting. I only realized how fucked everything looks after I saw it on my phone though. Need to get a new monitor so I can actually see values.

This is basically the first time I drew on a tablet, feels worse than paper, but whatever.
What do you people think?
Too flat?
Not enough effort in the reflection?

>>3157991
I think thats breddy gud for 3 months, isnt it?

>>3157992
You haven't even begun your drawing and you come here asking for crits ?

Critique

Is loomis a meme? I'm planning on going to go through the loomis book on heads and hands so i can draw portraits. I sjimmed through not a lot of balding old men, the pictires look ok just a little dated.

>>3157562
Oh shit , thank you for using my work as thread pic

>been doing a series of sketches depicting far right personalities
>they keep getting favourited by LGBT and furry pages
Is this how people get big on DA? Just liking everything so that people visit your page?

>>3158113
>edgy

wip

reminds me of that fucking lolwut meme from 2004

>>3158056
Well fuck, what am I missing here, not enough content to be crit on?

>>3158152
Yes.

>draw
miserable
>don't draw
miserable

>>3158239
I'm on a similar boat, well. We gotta keep on tugging, at least when we draw we're working towards potential happiness. Better than the alternative.

Requesting criticism on the infographic's overall looks and design. Would be glad to receive tips on how to improve my work.

Doing this one for a project.

>t. /beg/ anon

>>3158251
Unoffensive, the goal is information and it does that well enough, personally I'm a fan of a double border with the inner border being thinner but that isn't for everyone, maybe tone down the blue a little? A bit too saturated imo.

>>3158251
Resized image

Uh what am I supposed to start with? Studies? Boxes? Still lifes? Anatomy? Gestures? Perspective?

>>3158253
Understood. Thanks for the critique!

>Will do a darker background

>>3158025
More compliments please

>>3158264
>>reddit

>>3158258
Not darker, less saturated. Here's a chart.

Im doing draw-a-box, but i cant for the life of me draw straight or confident lines with my shoulder, only my elbow. I dont rest anything but a little part of my hand on the table for stabilisation, but i always pivot from my elbow.
When i try to use my shoulder i have 0 accuracy, and the lines are super slow and wobbly.

Any tips on overcoming this?

>>3158277
keep practicing with your shoulder and with the exercises via dynamic sketching w/ peter han https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

how long did it take you to finish drawing on the right side of the brain?

>>3158276
It looks better than before. Thanks for the tips!

>>3157562
hi guys i'd love to get into cartoon especially the 1930s rubber hose style of animating however i cannot find anywhere online that will teach me this

maybe you guys know?

Whats the best way to construct a figure before adding the details and stuff onto it? I used to do the stick figure method, but I saw some people use the box and cylinder method so I tried those. But now I've forgotten how I usually construct my figures. Not that I was any at them, but I'm worried I may have to start learning from scratch.

>>3158298
>>3131297

>>3158299
Whatever works for you.

>>3157563
>Your local life drawing class
>Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career
Can someone explain what that is? Is it like drawing something you see while out in public or what?

I am very much a beginner, so I suppose this is best place to ask this. Before I get invested in this, is learning to draw well a rewarding experience, or does it just feel empty? Is drawing a rewarding experience or is it just another thing to keep you busy until you die?

>>3158345
Don't bother. It's not worth your time.

>>3158351
Thanks for your input. My time is worthless anyways, but if there is something fulfilling, whether it's emotional or spiritual or something else, to be gained from drawing then I would like to try.

>>3158345
Don't listen to this nigger >>3158351
See, the proper mindset is drawing as you would like you are a kid.Many anons here look at the best artworks out there, start drawing, then get depressed why they are so shit. You should study, yes, but don't think it's all non stop studying and grinding til you die. If you feel like drawing cactus wearing a tie, draw a cactus wearing a tie. Of course, you need to be hard on yourself if you're aiming to become pro but you sound like you just want to be a hobbyist and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>3158361
>but you sound like you just want to be a hobbyist
Yes, I'm just looking for something rewarding to become good at. I'm not particularly good at anything, so I'm looking for something to start and improve on. My first thought was drawing

>>3158364
Tell you what, read the first few pages of fun with a pencil by andrew loomis (it's in the sticky). That book is more tailored for people who have never even touched a pencil in their life.Try to follow through for the first few lessons and see if drawing stupid looking heads is fun for you. I think that's a good litmus test.

>>3158371
Will do, thanks.

2spooky4me

>>3158377
nice

>>3158377
Dude thats warhammer as fuck, amazing shit dog.

>>3158390
>>3158378
:)

>>3158398
Got anymore art?.Also why did you start drawing.

>>3158401
I got my sycra sketchbook!
(idk if I can post it here, but here it goes: http://forum.sycra.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99281 )
and idk about the drawing thing, just mostly been doodling in my note book at school, I guess.

>>3158073
Chin too round, face too wide.

>>3157562
Who are some famous self taught artists?

>>3158151
Lolwut

I just decided to get into learning art but every time I hold the pencil and look at things like exercises in Drawing on the right side of the brain or Keys to drawing I get so anxious and overwhelmed without even starting

I used to doodle "animu faces XD" in every paper I get my hand on when I was in school but my dipshit of an art teacher told me that I shouldn't waste my time learning how to draw because only talented people can draw and I believed him (yes I regret listening to him)

drawing is the only thing I want to learn and master in my pathetic life and idek what to do

Okay, I learned a lot on this painting. I just want to share it with you guys.

>>3158571
first you need to cultivate some love. draw your dumb anime shit if you wish for a while, at some point you're going to realize you're wasting time and will have to do keys to drawing and other boring shit.

it's hard anon, we're all in the same boat.

>>3158337
Anything that's actually in front of you. Drawing from 2-D reference requires you to translate things to 3-D before retranslating back into 2-D on your paper. This is hard for beginners.

>>3158595
I actually no longer like the whole anime thing and I'm here to learn some actual art

I will give your advice a shot
tyvm

>>3157603

Wrap around the form. It's still flat in some parts.

I don't think I'm skilled enough to take this further.

Every time I try putting eyes on a loomis head they look too small or too big

>>3158692

Post your work so others can help.

>>3158697
Maybe later but I'm starting to think it's because I don't know how to draw eyes either.

This art isn't even done by a nip how do I get this good.

>>3158702
its mostly just good shapes and composition. no one part of that image is really impressive, even the figure can be done at a decent skill level.

>>3158681
Learn textures. Everything looks like it's made out of the same type of clay.

If you were going to draw this where would you start, I'm used to starting on the head but what is the correct decision when the head is obstructed to such an extent and is the furthest point away from the viewer

>>3158345
drawing is a journey that never ends. some people realize this as soon as they start, and decide to end their journey early, others agonize over the speed that others are moving and try to pull everyone down. some others decide to take on the journey without even learning how to walk first, so they crawl the whole way very slowly and barely move. if you're looking at drawing as a reason to live then give up now. it's tough, requires discipline, and there will always be someone better than you.

>>3158730
loosely put down some general landmarks. Examples the top of the hip, the top of the hsoulder, and the relation of the head. Very loose. Another thing is it is such an extreme foreshortening that you can divide it into layers of detail starting at the feet, then the hips/thighs then the arm then the head. But to start, just loosely find the general forms, start with one and use it as a landmark to find the rest. I'd start with the left hip/thigh

>>3158730
>>3158746
One thing I forgot to mention, is usually you'd do a center/gesture line then build around it, but this is at such an extreme angle that would not help

Do you need to know gesture drawing to do anatomy, or anatomy to do gesture drawing?

Or both?! It's difficult to start gesture drawing without an understanding of anatomy as well.

i havent drawn anything in years, and this is my first attempt on a drawing tablet. i need all the advice i can get

I feel like I'm not learning anything from gesture drawings.

>>3158754
post your gestures

>>3158755
Nah they're complete shit. That's why I feel like this.

>>3158751
unless you are studying to only do medical illustrations then, they kind of happen together. You do gestures for action, balance, and as a roughing in for more detailed passes. That second more detailed phase is when your anatomy comes into play.

>>3158759
you won't get better if you don't want input. I come into this thread eery few day and try ti give constructive criticism when I can. I'm here now.

>>3158752
I'm glad you're getting back into art! here are few tips from me:
work on smoothing out those lines
try to clean things up more next time
to help make the face more symmetrical, flip the canvas and look at it that way, you can see a lot of flaws that you may not have otherwise if you do that
keep practicing

>>3158759
if you post them, we can point out specific areas that you need to work on. this is the /beg/ thread, no one is expecting them to be good

>>3158752
Cute Link.

How do you guys feel about Hampton?

hey wtf am I doing wrong?

>>3158784
Try adding contour lines, also try adding plumbing lines. Lastly just put the images on top of each other with some opacity to see where you went wrong. It'll serve you better to be able to correct yourself in the long wrong.

>>3158761
Thank you for answering my question

How does this look so far. How do I even draw hair. I'm so embarrassed by my shit drawings.

attempting to draw more strange postures (cartoony style still)

Welp, I went ahead and the one on the left which I did more on a whim ended up being more accurate than the one on the right, at least as far as width goes. I didn't do the thickness of the booty justice and drew everything flat, width wise.

Gesture is different than creating an actual "mannequin", is this correct?
Am I supposed to be capturing proportions when I lay out the gesture of a pose?
It takes me like 10-15 seconds to draw out a gesture that I feel like captures the pose correctly but then it takes me forever (like 3-4 minutes) to actually lay out the body parts at proper size using my gesture

>>3158813
Bad proportions and perspective.

I'll be good at this thing one day.

>>3158770

He's good but if we're referring to his videos he can only cover so much in his videos. I'm glad to have taken his live class else I would be repeating the same mistakes over and over never improving.

>>3158862
really fun even if it isn't perfect

I dog the color choices

>>3158851
you got it. The gesture is like a line of action with some loose form for balance. 10-15 secs is fine

How do yo draw limbs that look like there connected to something?

Random question but what does the i in /ic/ stand for?

>>3158913
artist/ic/ d/ic/k

>>3158573
looks groovy

>>3158615
>I actually no longer like the whole anime thing and I'm here to learn some actual art
Disgusting

>>3158730
Here you go man. Draw boxes and shit

>>3159013
Warm up 1

>>3159081

>>3157840
genuinely want to try drawing realism now because of this, when it used to be my most hated thing to draw after machinery. I'm impressed. Thank you, anon.

Since there's no question thread and I'm still a beginner, I'll ask here. Is there a program with layers that have similiar brushes to mspaint's marker and pencil brush? I really like how they feel.

>>3159115
Pic related, I did it with these two brushes.

so, /beg/, what's the current social website to share your garbage and discover new artists you may like
pls dont let it still be deviantart I have repressed memory of that place

>>3159130
artstation and sycra.

>>3159130
>social
kys

>>3159145
4chan is a social website, fggt

>>3159146
im speaking to a hypothetical anonymous entity, not to people

>>3159147
How solipsistic of u.

When did this place become so friendly, I don't like it

>>3157562


How the heck do I draw hair?

Thanks loomis

I know this might be hard to answer but how much "should" I be drawing a day? I feel like I'm not doing enough but when I try to do more I start to blank on what to do. Even if you just say how much you personally do a day it would be helpful.

Is it okay to learn to draw with a mechanical pencil or would I be better off with a wooden one?

>>3159212
You'll horse shoe into being a really bad artist if you practice too much

>>3159215
Depends.

>>3159222
Nice 3 2
I just prefer writing in pen and mechanical to wood, but I imagine wood is better for shading and the like. Guess I'll go buy a pencil sharpener.

>>3158832
went back and attempted coloring/shading

any suggests for improvement/general style mistakes?

faces, how do they work.

le edgy sketch, I feel like I've improved a bit over the last couple of days, going to keep on it for a bit longer though before I try something different

>>3159172
Some hair guides:
https://imgur.com/a/FpALo

Library of drawings and paintings of hair at different levels (gestural, detailed, stylized):
https://imgur.com/a/VkAk2

Breaking bones, making up anatomy, and trying to think more 3d.

>>3159251
very nice dude

>>3159320
nice my dude. I think her armpit should sit lower.

>>3159244
>faces, how do they work.
Do research and show us the results of your investigation.

>>3159336
Ye.

>>3159115
>>3159116
Anyone?

>>3159354
As default brushes? Probably not. but you can always play around with the brush engine and try to get something similar in whatever program you'll end up using.

>tfw constant narcissism
i get slightly good and all of a sudden im a god
anyone else afflicted?

>>3159425
>tfw constant depression
all of my momentum is gone and now i'm drawing like shit.
I actually feel like i regressed

>>3159430
we're both gonna make it

>>3159251
Another for tonight

Inktober from yesterday, fucked proportions sadly

c'mon plz

>>3157562
How do you deal with posture problems if your neck always has to be looking down to draw?

Can't all those beginner books just fuck off with the pseudo science?

>>3159498
I bet you believe in "talent" too

>>3159495
Don't draw on a horizontal surface.

>>3159495
By using a drawing board.

how is light formed?
i thought i could do this but i cant

>>3159522
Do it from reference. Define Shadow and light side more clearly.

Is it ok to practice drawing cartoony or anime stuff while getting better at basic conctruction and anatomy? I know its probably better to do it afterwards. But I have all these ideas for webcomics I want to practice drawing. And I want to give myself a break from trying to draw stuff like anatomy and muscles super perfect.

Here is my attempt at art stuff; any critique, I know the legs are fucked XD

>>3157910
whered you get this imaage from anon?

>>3159116
I like it, what brushes you use?

>>3159522
Watch sycra's videos on light and shadow

>>3159538
Anon mentions that he used the mspaint brushes

>>3159536
Oh, it's from a manga called Dungeon Food. I don't really recommend it and I found the image long before the manga, but I do enjoy it. I'm into cooking and comics so, yeah, that's probably why.

>>3159545
I'll check it out cause somethings not clicking

>>3159566
And it was just a random 4chan meme floating around.

made this for the drawtober prompt:

double double, toil trouble.

sup, never shared my artwork online, what do you think ?
I know hand and legs are lame.
On left is full traditional piece and on right i tried add digital rendering, feel more 3d i think ?

>>3159604
kinda did it anon, but I am confused on what going with these 2 spots.

care to explain?

Man, I'm so in love with Kyle brushes... So in love I even drew a romanceable orc.

Now back to fundamentals.

>>3159484

Too much details
Too busy

>>3159613
thx! wow i completly lost that blank space around feet, and 2nd spot i dont know what to say, i can add neck

Are my man backs fat?

been on and off with drawing. don't care to get gud, i just want to enjoy it but having the basics down is still something i desire.

and college classes are boring AF

what are some things i can practise just about anywhere, watching tv at home. in class.

>>3159705
The best basic skill to learn is to be able tondraw anything and everything with your eyes accurately.

can someone critique my imagination drawing?

What do you think of these? The top two looks pretty bad, I'm not sure why. Picked a mid light side, made the shadow half way to black, then added a touch of reflected light and a high light.

I read the big sticky and wanted to know if that's good enough

I read the big sticky and wanted to know if that's good or not
sorry for my shit camera quality

>>3159705
you can learn to knit while watching tv, i'm able to do it while watching subbed anime

Currently doing an artist study to try to learn values. Enjoying it alot but I am not sure if the values are right.

could anyone tellme what (traditional) materials would be best to paint something like the buildings in these photos. It's very, very important I can replicate it as close as possible to looking realistic (specifically the atmosphere/mist ) and not stylised so want to know which paints to get as I can only afford one set

>>3159805

>>3159807
(building in the background)

>>3159799
It's okay to color pick and see if you're right anon. There's no shame. Although it's weird to see this image desaturated, it looks completely different.

>>3159742
holy fucking kek that is one of the funniest faces to come out of this exercise

>>3159726
looks like her torso was sewn on to another body. remember that hips width = shoulder width for girls

>>3159237
what happened to her butt?

any critique on this?

>>3159811
Yeah its pretty cool. So far the only thing I know about color and values was from one or two things I had read and sycra. I figured this study would be a neat way of learning.

How does construction really work? Is it supposed to help draw what I'm picturing in my mind without enough information or do I still need to see a reference in a photo or real life.

>>3159841
Construction is to help you simplify complex objects into simple forms. That's all there is to it.

>>3159799
Her left eye is getting far from where it should, try flipping both your image and your reference

<- Tried to do something from memory

>>3159805
pls someone answer I go sleep very soon and am getting it tomorrow and won't have time to check the thread

What are some resources I can study if I want to start creating really detailed background like what you see in some of these idolm@ster pictures?

how could i improve my human drawing skills

and also some tips on clothes?

>>3159862
But just how good are you to be able to execute realistic paintings without knowing about color? If you knew your stuff, you would know that it doesn't really matter since color is relative as stated by Gurney, so you could in theory get whatever and it would still work.

>>3159822
If you're going to shade then you also have to shade the cranium.
It looks almost entirely flat. The sides should be extremely dark like how the sides of the mandible are.

>>3159863
Detail is nothing but time to be honest desu. Design itself is a different matter that you learn by looking at many designs and either creating your own or combining references. Background is simple as it looks that a kid could do it. They draw a chair, table, a person. That's it. And it really is that simple. Only difference is applying the fundamentals of light, perspective, color and composition make everything a million times better. Unironically study from life/references. Go to furniture stores, develop taste, etc.

>>3159484
For some reason my eyes are being drawn to the center instead of the face

>>3159874
I forgot where you learn it, but basically any time there's eyes in a drawing, your brain is inclined to focus there especially if they're staring at you.

>>3159841

The construction technique makes it easier to visualize by building simple forms and shapes. It's doesn't add information. That is the job of your brain pulling stuff from your visual library.

You use reference when you don't have that information in your visual library. Nothing wrong with it and it's not going to make you less as an artist. You'll be just like any other artist. Not everyone can recall things perfectly or have innate sense to memorize and recall things easily.

>>3159865
some1 help pls
crit or something, how could i improve the most effectively

>>3159866
pls don't be vague and mysterious! I just need something to get which can produce the effect of buildings / mist / bright lights / darkness , not 100 percent photorealistic just good enough to produce the effect. It's very important that I get something where this can be done well on A4 size paper, I just don't know what would be best as I havent tried every material yet . and I have months to perfect the technique but just need to know what to buy so i don't make mistake as I am poor poor poor

>>3159865
Draw from reference.

>>3159881

Reading the sticky is a good start. Not the best. If you want a more effective way to learn, find a class. Learning from a good teacher is very effective.

>>3159881
this looks like a quick doodle , spend more time on it and it will look better no matter what

>>3159866
>color is relative as stated by Gurney

what book is this ?

>>3159873
Thanks. That picture was the best I could find and wasn't the best example of what I'm talking about, but you seem to get what I'm saying better than I can explain it. Anyone can draw a chair and a window, but I meant the shading and lighting, plus making it look colorful. The idolm@ster pictures I'm talking about always look so alive, and my backgrounds always look boring and dead by comparison

>>3157782

The way you've split the face up into thirds is well done, the proportions are about correct. The eyes and brows however seem to be at a different angle to the rest of the face (almost front on when the face is turned to a slight angle and the shape of the eyes and angle of the brow are wrong)

I'd also argue that you should be using a greater range of values in your colours. Everything looks flat like it has no mass.

Start collecting references and drawing faces from observation next.

>>3157789
It's shit
:^)

>>3159863
Honestly I have been struggling with this for months now and there isn't a single good resource book or tutorial on how to do it. The only thing you can actually study is perspective but then that gives you no info on how to decorate a room or draw furtniture or design a city. Theres no loomis equivalent to drawing backgrounds, I guess you just build a visual library and use that to fill out a room.

I have just started to trace/copy backgrounds in hope that it just clicks and makes sense at some point. If you find something that actually teaches this shit let me know, all that exists is shallow how to paint a tree tutorials.

>>3159898
Yeah seems like the best way, as the other anon said, is to just do bunch of life drawing shit and hopefully it will click eventually.

I want to convey the feeling that the characters actually exist in the world they're drawn in, that they actually belong in the background they were drawn in.

>>3159885
please please please someone tell me what paints to get I need to go sleep

>>3159902
I think the best chance would be to look up information and books for illustration in general. Illustration art is usually most focused on the character and the backgrounds are used to emphasize that.

If you look up background art you just get concept art or shit like noah bradley or bob ross painting trees. They are totally different types of backgrounds. pic related is my best background

How much are you allowed to just draw your own stuff when not just grinding practice?

>>3159920
grind/practice on weekdays, draw my own thing for fun on weekends

>>3159920
As much as you want. The biggest problem people have is not drawing in the first place because of their fear of inadequacy.

I'm doing this study off a photo and I'm struggling with the rocks at the bottom, you see the issues they have but I really don't know what to do to fix them.

>>3159933
The photo I'm studying off

>>3159933
See how they look with lighting and shading before you make any drastic changes. Render

>>3159933
Boring suggestion, but maybe try just drawing rocks. Like, JUST rocks, nothing else, for practice.

Should I be using construction when drawing from life and how do I avoid becoming a human copy machine like proko I just want to draw anime girls from my mind.

I'm about to get started with Dynamic Sketching and I have a question since there are two of them. Should I do the first one first then the second one? Are they connected? Or does the second one is like the first one but updated?

>>3159958
You first need to become a human copy machine before you can draw anime girls from your mind.

>>3159958
Yes, use construction for everything. The only people that don't have internalized everything over years of practice and can construct in their mind.

Also practice imagination without reference if you don't want to fall into the trap. Just fill up pages with whatever you want.

>>3159963
>>3159964
How do I balance drawing from life and wasting time with bad imagination drawings

>>3159958
It's a bit complicated. You have to draw from observation only, but you also have to do it with construction.
My advice is just to get good at doing pure observation drawing, then applying construction -to- your observation drawings. Once you've practiced that enough, hopefully you'll have internalized the procedure enough to draw your own anime girls.

>>3159965
You'll just know by the time you're good.

Whats a good way to practice environments/landscapes bois? I've been practicing figures and portraits but never dived into actually positioning them in good places

Do you think the ears are to far away from the chin? Maybe the jaw is to long?

>>3160011
By drawing them.

>steal values directly from reference
>my value still look bad

hmmm

>>3158113
maybe they think your drawings are so bad you are insulting them

>>3160045
Because obviously there's more to it if you actually studied like you're supposed to.

>>3158377
I like the lines, even the scribbly ones, but the look on the man's face is that of a complaint, he doesn't look like he is either desperate or agonizing. If it didn't have any text I'd think he was saying "when is this fatass gonna stop eating?".

>>3158730
There are no rules as to where to start.. I'm a beg also but what helps me with these kind of poses is doing a circle-is for the hips, another one for the shoulders and another one for the head. Then you draw a shape for each feet, measuring a bit carefully, then I'd draw a circle for the left knee and elbow. Basically all the joints I can see and shoulders and hips and then I connect them with lines and compare. It's pretty chill that way less stress.

>>3159215
I used wooden pencils for a while, now recently I bought a mechanical pencil and I'm very happy. It's helping me improve line quality since lines are thin and visible, and it also allows me to practice cross-hatching that is what I wanna do (in ink) in the future, so personally I'll just stick with mechanical.

>>3159691
one on the bottom is too flat/small, the one of the top seems to have a nice width but the torso is really fucking small, arms shouldn't so casually almost reach the knees.

The 2016 drawing is 1 year old, took me about 40~50 minutes, and i used the eraser a lot (mostly at the hoofs).
The second one, was a sketch that took me 10~15 minutes, i almost didn't use the eraser.

But instead of improving, i think i got worse. I try to do new things, but i always fail. The 2017 version i did a pose and handplaying that i normally don't do.
I want some criticism about my style and how i should improve. I don't draw because i enjoy it, i draw because i want to show what i imagine, but it's very frustrating because all i can do is these boring, uninspired women with the same position.
I don't put my signature on them because most of my drawings give me shame. If i used reference for positions and such, would i improve?

>>3159892
I'd bet tons of references are used. Who the fuck just imagines entire rooms like that.. unless you're an interior designer or you really care about furniture and stuff I don't think it's gonna be easy to do that shit from imagination.

>>3160100
You underestimate pros, anon.

>>3160101
I mean, it's definitely possible.. but you really have to be into that kind of stuff. If you just kinda "wanna make your backgrounds more lively", would you spend hundreds or thousands of hours studying and drawing interior design and landscapes just to compliment your drawings? Pros are usually just pretty decent at everything and really good at one thing, do you agree? For example Yusuke Murata, he doesn't ever draws a background for anything, so he's probably not good at that stuff, while the pictures anon was posting were probably made by someone who loves drawing backgrounds and interior design and that is a big focus on their art.

>>3160094
What do you mean by flat/small? But you're right about the other one, I literally just stood up to see where my hands go in comparison to my thighs.

>>3160110
Its still difficult even with an infinite amount of reference. Unless its literally traced over a photo.

They have to lay out the perspective, design a compasition with multiple characters, place the referenced items in the composition. Have the skill to render out the lighting of the room and all the referenced elements. I mean just look at the floor, it even has reflections from the light source as well. All of the referenced items need to be stylized in a way that fits the figures and thats what I just cant figure out. Its like my anime girls end up in a jarring realistic world with inaccurate perspective.

>>3160138
The trick is to not over render everything and have the anime girl stand out.

>>3159799
Her left eye seems mislaigned, flip both your reference and the study

i think i am starting to get the hang of this

>>3160128
I meant small, narrow. Shoulder/upper back area is kinda wider than that, or maybe it's those big ass arms that are making them look small. Anyway, use reference and compare.

>>3160160
Now i just need to learn how colours work.

Shifting it slightly into saturation makes it looks so much more pleasing than straight black and white

>>3160166

>>3159940
So what process should I follow?

>>3159941
What do you mean? Drawing them individually?

>>3160138
Well, yeah, drawing is always difficult to make it look good, referenced or not, and tracing/photobashing is always easier. Light and reflection is the hardest thing, so it's what you should be copying the most from reference. I'd bet no one draws completely accurate reflections, they are infinitely complex, you just kinda wing it til it looks good.
Pic kind of related, reflection of one foe in two surfaces by my fav artist. I've seen many of his streams and this guy just wings everything and of course is insanely talented and draws a lot.

>>3160172
Murata does not wing everything, it's pretty obvious the guy has studied reflections a ton as evident by the water reflection he did. And reflections are just a perspective thing, they're not as complex as you seem to make them out to be. It's fairly simple actually.

>>3160176
Senpai you can literally see him draw 10 second sketches and erasing over and over again until it looks good then he inks on top of it. Of course he studied a lot and has a good understanding of light, shadows and reflections, but if you're trying to tell me someone can draw an eye or a bottle from imagination and pin-point the EXACT places where high-lights would be explicitly from imagination then you are simply retarded.

Let's fucking try it senpai. I'll take a picture of my guitar, a picture of my room, where I'm gonna put the guitar and where the light-bulb is. Then draw the guitar with photo-precise reflection of the bulb. Of course it's impossible, same way that how the DSK would look on Mumen's helmet exactly has SO many variables that is infinitely complex and anyone drawing it is just making an artistic approximation, or in other words, WINGING it. That's what I meant when I used that word, that's what that word is used for.

>>3160169
>What do you mean? Drawing them individually?
Yes. But not just pictures of rocks, go outside, grab a couple, and do a still of the resultant pile.

>>3159263

Thanks mate

>>3160124
This is some really good line work you got going on. I think I have good ideas but I could use your linewoek and construction lol I call this bird law

>>3160246
Thats not linework, the correct term would be brush-strokes

Is it worth it to draw as many hand bones as I can or just the absolute necessary ones?

>>3160261
How do I get as good as you?

>>3160267
You faff around for a year shitdoodling and then try getting back into drawing the last week

>>3160252
Oh thanks! Well how are my brushstrokes looking so far? How can I improve my paintings?

>>3160056
you think thats a bad face, look at this one I made x)

>>3159244

>>3160286
Also me

>that anon that told me he'd redraw my art is nowhere to be found
>they told me to wait like a few months ago
Should I just give up on my hopes of seeing my redrawn monstrosity /ic/?

>>3160383
Where's your original pic? Never heard about this.

Any crits? The background was based off of the morality compass in Warframe, which in turn is presumably based off Japanese art of a similar style. I feel I did really good on it, but not in actually capturing the style itself, but rather making it fit with the piece.

But I really want crits on the face, this is both the biggest face I've done and the most realistic I've attempted. I'm not too good at noses.

>>3160393
flat and lifeless

but it seems like you're drawing for fun so that's what matters

I have probably grinded 1000-2000 loomis heads so far but I wish I could improve faster

>>3160423
Don't tell me you've done nothing but 3/4 loomis head from imagination for 4 weeks.

>>3160425
It may have been mostly imagination
Also more like 5-6 weeks

On the bright side, only like 60% of them were 3/4 view

>let's try non-basic perspective
>let's go for down-looking-up view
>oh wait you just end up with the same girl but with fucked up proportions
everytiem

>>3160447
if anyone remembers me, im loomhead anon. i used to do the same thing as you. its fucking retarded, stop. use reference and understand if what you are doing isnt working you need to do something else. you should be able to draw the head with messed up and uncanny proportions but with features in the right place just by adhering to loomis/hampton. after this you need to use ref in order to internalise reality.

>>3160475
I know this feel

>>3160495
I always stop using ref and just draw random loomis heads as I guess its my comofrt zone. Mainly because whenever i try to draw from ref, I find it really hard to apply loomis construction and still get any kind of likeness

>>3160498
>i stopped because im bad at it
you will unironically not make it with that attitude
practice

>>3160475
i did a fast draw example with mouse but i guess it is understandable

when you do perspective things get smaller the farest the object gets

in your drawing, from torso to head is a flat frontal perspective and in legs its just a weird try of forcing perspecive by inflating the legs

try to imagine objects in a kind of grid like in example and it gets easy

>>3157991
What were the exact stepa you used to reach this point from nothing.

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