/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3155712
The joke is that KJG doesn't draw a single straight line in the entire show.

Anyone else feel like kim is treated as more of a circus act than an artist at this point?

It’s like people don’t care about his work so much as watching him draw in the same way as they would watch a trained monkey draw.

>>3155721
>It’s like people don’t care about his work so much as watching him draw

he doesn't either according to that stream interview, he said once he is done drawing it he thinks its not his anymore and he doesn't care about it. he only cares while he is drawing it.

>>3155712
I mean, it would do him some good to draw from the shoulder. Might loosen up his claustrophobic compositions if there was a bit more room to breath in them.

>>3155721
yep. he's not getting any better either.

>>3155725
That’s every artist ever.

>>3155721
If he were an autistic savant, maybe. And people wouldn't be as interested in him. What makes him stand out is that he has this absurd visual vocabulary and there's no bullshit in what he does, no secret cheats or anything. It's just raw drawing from imagination and it's really spectacular to see unfold.
The art per se isn't worship worthy, yeah, but this is one of those cases where it's justified

>>3155734
i guess... seems like a lot to do about nothing, and most of his art is nothing.

>>3155735
I hesitate to ask you what art offers more substance as youre just being anonymously passive aggressive

>>3155737
anything with shading or color? his drawings are just outlines. that's like ignoring 99% of the work involved in art.

>>3155737
>>3155738
so it really doesn't take much to be better than a majority of his work. You too could become godly at the select few things KJG is if you ignore any and all rendering, shading, and color.

I mean he even said himself he would like fill up a crazy amount of sketchbooks a day. He didn't do that by fully rendering and shading pieces, he just filled pages with outlines of stuff.

He's probably perfectly okay at shading, I've seen some caricature pieces he's done that have color and shading, but it's just not that remarkable. He's dumped all his skillpoints into the performance of art rather than the measured execution of it.

>>3155738
His water color paintings are great. He's good at colors too.

>>3155738
he paints in watercolor, without a sketch ofc, and he's a beast at it

>>3155715
consistency is more important then straightness.
>>3155712
draw from shoulder was a technique that came from academic drawing on large 20x30 newsprint/canvas. Big quick strokes from the shoulder have the most gesture. It is outdated and unless you need a line from one side of your tablet to the other its completely useless.
>>3155738
drawing is the 99% bait-kun

>>3155744
> It is outdated and unless you need a line from one side of your tablet to the other its completely useless.

i have also heard that it can hurt your arms and shoulders if you do it all the time (i thing Feng or someone said that)

>>3155741
>>3155743
>>3155744
he's just not that good, i don't feel like arguing this. he's an okay artist with bad habits, but he's leaned into the bad habits so people think it's remarkable.

>>3155748
>>3155738
>>3155726
do everybody a favor and never teach art, ok?

>>3155763
Just because I'm good at art and subconsciously give misinformation because I'm a sociopath doesn't mean my opinions are any less valid

>>3155748
He's great, just doesn't work in your style senpai

>>3155712
>can't think for yourself
I feel bad for you.

>>3155726
>yep. he's not getting any better either
Hard to get better when you're the best anon.

>>3155831
you seriously think hes the best?

>>3155726
>>3155831
>>3155837
Only when you're starting off as an artist and the first 5 years roughly is when you make the massive and noticeable gains. As you become really good and even the kind thats admired by your own peers, adopting the title as "the artist's artist" your progress becomes much slower even there's even anything to progress TO in the first place.

>>3155843
So not only are you claiming that KJG is an "artist's artist", you are implying that /ic/ has any artists in the first place. Why should the glowing opinions from a bunch of beginners qualify someone like KJG as an "artist's artist"?

>>3155846
I wasn't referring to /ic/ as the artists. My statement comes from the fact that even the most well respected and skilled artists in the industry look up to this guy.

Now you're free to question these "well respected and skilled artists in the industry" but realize no one will take you seriously at that point.

>>3155849
>no one will take you seriously at that point.
no one will take me seriously on a board full of beginners, but i doubt there are any well respected art critics, critics of art in all it's forms, from sculpture to oil painting to installation, that would see KJG as anything other than a performance artist. People who are qualified to speak about art and that is what they do as a living, and they are renowned for their ability to critique art objectively, and they would all think KJG is shit, I guaren-fucking-tee it.

>>3155851
If there was a metacritic for artists, KJG would probably get like a 32 out of 100.

>>3155852
but there's people that think big bang theory is genuinely funny, so of COURSE there are people that think KJG is "an artist's artist"

>>3155851
Baseless conjecture.
>objectivity
Okay, we're done here.

>>3155854
then why does the art world as a whole, outside of a few run of the mill concept artists and amateur art boards, not give two shits about anything the guy does?

>>3155854
>art is whatever you want it to be maaaaan
whatever commie

>>3155856
The art world as a whole is multifaceted and over half of which doesn't entail drawing of any kind. I might as well be asking you why don't musicians or concept artists give two shits about Andrei Tarkovsky. Unless you're legendary (bound by the past) or becoming meme status, no one gives a shit about anyone outside of their own art world (music, film, painting, so on)

Of the arts that contain drawing and that type of skill, concept art has not only become the new heart and soul of it in these past few years but contains among the most required skill.

>>3155860
thats cute you think that i guess

>>3155860
so you're convinced that illustration needs to be judged by a different criteria than fine arts, and you think fine arts is bad, and you think illustration is good, but also that illustration shouldn't be judged like fine arts because that's not fair, but also illustration is better, but please be nice to illustrators, but their work stands on their own and is just as good as fine arts, but please don't judge them equally that's not fair they're totally different even if they use the same fundamental rules.

>>3155863
i think I'm starting to come around to >>3155860
's way of thinking.

If we don't judge KJG based on how good his art is based on art history then yeah! he is the greatest artist who's ever lived!

>>3155864
he definitely deserves special treatment for no reason, and is beyond reproach

>>3155851
So your rebuttal against calling KJG an artist's artist based on the fact that he's looked up to by numerous highly skilled artists is to invoke the authority of hypothetical renowned and objective art critics.

You're not really arguing against his status as an "artist's artist," you're arguing against his status as a "hypothetical renowned objective critic's artist," which nobody has claimed he has.

>>3155745
This is complete bullshit. I hope you're not trying to bait beginners into hurting their wrists.

>>3155931

It's called over use injury. Yes, it can happen. You need to lift to prevent this shit

>>3155846
Are you an idiot? Every pro in the fucking business creams themselves over KJG. Even veterans like Iain McQue, Iain McCaig, Bobby Chiu, Nathan Fowkes etc. KJG is the kind of artist your favorite artist asks for an autographed sketch.

>>3156040
Just the fact that Karl Kopinski and Scott Robertson look at him like some master says A FUCKING LOT

>>3155931
https://makingamark.blogspot.com/2016/04/artists-and-repetitive-strain-injury-rsi.html
As long as you aren't flicking your wrist or gorilla gripping your pen they will be fine.

>>3156040

you're dumb. artists are just like that about other artists. ask any artist about any of their contemporaries and all you're gonna hear is "oh they're so great I love them so talented blah blah blah." it's not an objective metric for determining skill level.

KJG is pretty good, but he's not THAT good. Major sameface syndrome (not just bc he draws so many Asians either). He's certainly not better than fucking Iain Mccaig.

>>3156060
>Iain McCaig
Show an equivalent example to compare. Meaning, absolute minimum amount of brush strokes for a portrait or any sort of design.

I have a feeling you're trying to compare what KJG is known for vs McCaigs far more rendered and longer (as far as time taken to finish) works.

>>3156049
This. I see people holding their pen/pencil super hard. That's so bad for your hand and your artwork

>>3156060
>it's not an objective metric for determining skill level.

The objective metric for determining KJGs skill level is called having fucking eyes and knowing even the first thing about art and draftmanship. Yet here you are arguing about some hypothetical art critics who wouldn't approve of him.

Also I didn't say he's better than Iain McCaig, both are great and it's mostly a matter of personal taste who you consider to be better. I'm saying Iain McCaig would call you an unbelievable retard if he heard your opinion about KJG.

>>3156060
Obviously there is a certain degree of over the top praise and ass-kissery among professional artists in general, but there are clearly some who are genuinely admired and respected among their fellow professionals and KJG happens to be a prime example of that.

>>3155712
It's not either or, you dumb shit. You use the technique that is more efficient for what you're trying to do. When drawing short lines, using the pivot of your wrist is more accurate and comfortable than the shoulder/elbow. When drawing long lines, the shoulder is more accurate and comfortable. Watch how KJG draws his long lines and you will see a steady wrist and shoulder movement.

You'd learn this stuff naturally if you actually drew.

>>3156082
>far more rendered and longer (as far as time taken to finish)
Not the other guy, but the argument is retarded.
The only thing that matters is the final result, otherwise we can just spout arbitrary restrictions of what we get to compare like retards.

>w-well I only took 10 seconds and 3 strokes, fuck your 80 translucent layers, pristine brushwork and otherworldly texture, I am the master of my craft

>>3156116
What? KJG stops when he feels like it's enough and moves on. That's the case with most of his drawings and its' mostly a style now. You can't compare an Iain render to a KJG single minute drawing. The only way to compare is for them to be similar.

Guys, I just got a call from the secret society of renowned and well-respected art critics who think KJG is shit.

They've used their powers of insight and objectivity to determine that NoseBro will develop into one of this generation's greats, second only to kodyboy.

>>3156126
>The only way to compare is for them to be similar
The point of comparison is to find differences in different things.

>>3155726
>yep. he's not getting any better either.

Except he is getting better.

>>3155712
do you guys think kjg is gonna be written about in art history books in a good 300 years time?

>>3156243
No? It's not like he's gerhard richter tier. He's an illustrator who doodles quickly and never does finished work. Wow. What a legend.

I'd say James Jean has a similar penchant for complex compositions and outlines but James Jean is actually good because he fucking paints his ideas instead of just sketching endlessly.

>>3156269
Is James Jean going to be remembered more fondly than KJG, if KJG is even remembered at all.

KJG reminds me of that guy with autism that draws cities after helicopter rides

>>3155725
Furthermore, he doesn't even particularly care about keeping his own work or particularly proud of a particular piece to want to display it for himself.

>>3155726
He is getting better. He's just at a high enough level that the progress will of course be slower than a beginner. If you compare what he is doing now to his 2007 or 2011 sketchbooks there is a noticeable difference.

That said, I do agree that he crams things too tight for his compositions and could do with some breathing room.

>>3156152
What you're asking for is a 20~ brush stroke drawing from KJG (what he's known for in a simple portrait) vs McCaig pseudo-render portrait. These are complete opposites of each other in terms of effort and time. It's tantamount to letting both artists start drawing the same subject at the same time and then stopping KJG a minute into the drawing and letting McCaig work on it for another 20 minutes. Gee, I fucking wonder whose will "look" better assuming more detail means better.
They need to be similar enough to then see just the true differences.

tl;dr: why are you so fucking stupid?

What kind of pen/brush is he using?

>>3156312
literally every artist ever

>>3156388
Except nobody’s imposing any restrictions on Kim, you’re the one demanding other artists be restricted to shitty doodles for you to allow them to be compared to Kim, you fucking imbecile.

>>3156440
I'm giving an example of what both artists are known for. Kim can do a 20 minute drawing of a single thing -- obviously. But that much rendering isn't the point of a lot of people's art. Simplicity is what artists aim to achieve which KJG has undeniably mastered in his own way with the few brush strokes. But can McCaig do the same? That's the question, you dumbie.

>>3156091
>I'm saying Iain McCaig would call you an unbelievable retard if he heard your opinion about KJG.

what opinion was that again?

>>3155725
>done drawing it he thinks its not his anymore
deep