/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

hows dextar and daxter?, drawn from reference

Anyone know a good rendering/color video tutorial?

ref

meh

from last thread

>>3154873
Did that ham-beast tattoo TACO on its fingers

Previous thread

I'm terrible (like, beg teenagers are doing better than me with 10 times less struggle) but I feel like my digital brush/pencil sketches are better than my inked versions. What happens inbetween? I believe I heard many artsits say they prefer rough versions of drawings too. What's the deal? And can I implement the lieveliness of my skecthes in my final drawings? (I'm tryiong to do comics and I wouldn't care about an alternative rough style but right now I'm trying to do something for the medibang/jump contest so it's probably better if it's clean

>>3154874
fixed... somewhat

Some ok stuff, some really messed up stuff mostly your forshortened ones (6,13 starting from top left) I'd say and also the ones were the fingers are really spread out (14,19)

>>3154882
Was meant for >>3154877

Well guys, here's my unforgivable lump of raw sewage of the day.

How good is Keys to Drawing for a complete beginner?

>>3154886
it is the only good beginner book

>>3154887
But isn't Drawing With The Right Side of the Brain just as good if not better?

>>3154890
It has a lot of pseudo science which people find off putting. Any book that gets you drawing is good. Mileage is 95% of getting good.

>>3154892
>Mileage is 95% of getting good.
^

tfw you have such a hard time getting started drawing, but when you're done it doesn't feel right to stop.

>>3154878
post your work

>>3154884
Thanks again. The reference I used had some weird poses(the really messed up ones you pointed out) so this was good practice for me

>>3154900
I'm sorry but I can't, everything's so wrong in it you would be embarassed to even say something about it. Guess I'll just keep beating myself until I make something presentable

>>3154906
Nobody cares that you're shit, get off of your high horse. It's an embarrassing position to take - news flash, you're not special.

>>3154906
this is an anonymous image board you fucking loser
i shit post and ruin threads all the time

>>3154877
How do I draw hands

>>3154906
There's nothing wrong with being bad. Take pride in your bad art, because one day you'll be able to look back and say "Wow, I've gotten so much better."

This is my first digital drawing ever. What do you think?

>>3154864
enjoyed doing this.

feedback welcomed.

>>3154914
>>3154909
>>3154907
Thanks. It's ok, I was just complaining like a retard, there's a gap between what I know and what I draw so it makes me mad. I know what looks good so I suppose I just need more work instead of complaining.

From previous thread

>>3154932
Line weight pls

>>3154890
Why is she so ureshikatta

>>3154940
now i know why pedophilia is so popular in japan, their women are very childlike in the firstplace

what is the best way to approach 30 second gesture drawings? I'd be lucky if any of my lines somewhat resembled whatever pose I was trying to capture.

Holy shit lmao, i dont have too much of an idea of what i'm doing, trying to take the james paick cgma videos step by step. first by using the rule of thirds with value (dark foreground, midtone focal points, light backgruond)

>>3154962
Mileage, start off with 5 minutes making sure you achieve all the goals that are required for a 30 second drawing. Write down notes saying what you missed, now do it again in 5 minutes until you no longer make mistakes. Next drop the time to 4 minutes, rinse and repeat till you're at 30 seconds.

>>3154967
Doesn't look half-bad.

>>3154962
Just draw a stick figure, what's so hard about that?

First thing I've drawn in 10 years, first time with a tablet. Faces and perspective are terrible. Can't really fix the perspective without scrapping the whole thing. I tried to fix the faces for hours, but my preliminaries always come out uncanny, regardless if I try a cartoony or realistic style. I'll just have to try some more I guess.

>>3154968
never thought about working backwards like that. Also, what things would I miss? Do I make sure to indicate ribs, pelvis, spine, arms, and legs? Things like that?

>>3154978
just use a reference for the face.
I use sketchfab for anime or cartoony face references when I get stuck or I'm struggling
https://sketchfab.com/DreadKnight/collections/hot

>>3154980
Looking it up rn. Thanks anon.

>>3154979
Well it depends on the interval. For 30 seconds you might want to do all of the things you said, but with a certain level of detail, perhaps you would just use an ellipse to represent the tilt of the ribs and not a cuboid. It mostly depends on what you want to get out of it at the end of the day, make sure you understand why you're doing gestures within a certain time limit.

is it better to grind things I hate drawing but know will improve my drawing skill, or just draw things I enjoy drawing that are probably beyond my skill level

>>3154991
The latter, you'll forever be happy if you really mean 'enjoy'. There's no reason to torture yourself with the former.

>>3154991
Why not do both?

>>3154991
What
>>3154993
said.

Doesn't have to be a grind, maybe dedicate a small percentage of time you spend drawing on trying to get the things you haven't learned down. If you can spare the time anyway. Won't be as fast of a process, but maybe the techniques you'll learn will become useful when it comes to drawing the things you enjoy.

>>3154991
You will improve doing either, but one will help you improve much faster. Balance in all things

>>3154885
>lump of raw sewage
not much to add here, but the only unforgivable things is that its not 10 pieces of garbage a day
step up your game if you want to see improvements faster

little things to up your pictures:
erase a clean outline around the figure, what you are doing is fucking lazy
if you are going for a toned background own up to it, either white or a noticeable grey / colour (try a bg thats darker than your figure), this is too close to white and irritates the eye
props for not cutting off the feet, keep drawing them even if its just simple indication as you are doing (though "indicate" them more detailed whith every new picture)
maybe focus on the drawing part only, jumping into values too early can be overwhelming and demotivating (do maybe only one picture a day / a week or so to the full extend of your skills to see where you are, when exercising focus on one thing at a time for the time being

Decided to skip trying to learn just one of the muscles at a time and try to learn them all at once, at least then I can connect them to where they belong. Minus the limbs.

>>3155019
Keep in mind proportions.

>>3154967
that flag is nearly the size of the ship

>>3155032
Did you post in the beginner thread so you can receive praise?

>>3155033
style thread just yells at me.. :'(

>>3155034
they make me feel like a beginner, with the things they say

>>3155035
What? Your work was featured on the styl thread, how does that make you feel like a beginner? You're clearly a intermediate level artist, so fuck off the /beg/ thread

>>3155038
they still ridiculed it tho

>>3155034
I don't think it is because of your lack of skill, but because of your lack of effort. It is good etiquette to spend 30-60 minutes on a drawing before posting it in one of the real threads.

>>3155032
The neck area seems to be really weak in all these sketches. You only really need to memorize the attachment point of the traps and the big sternocleidomastoids.

>>3155041
perhaps that's it. I'll delete, and post there

>>3155038
Not the guy you are talking to
Do you ever wonder why there is almost no good critique going on here? Part of that is little snowflakes like you chase away anyone who might have skill that amounts to more than just
>picked up drawing after 6 years, how is that
>posts symbol drawing

And there is no real "intermediate" thread, there is /beg/ and /porn/ and /style/, so you have to go where you are yelled at the least

Now fuck off of my /ic/

>>3155019
lmao

>>3155019
what on earth is this

please go read ktd and actually do studies

>>3154920
inking done

>>3155040
Umm hello, this is 4chan, they ridicule anything

>>3155048
Yes, but there is a /beg/ thread and their work is clearly above that so fuck off. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells would know that those threads you mentioned are for intermediate-pro level artists.

Week into tablet use. Whew lads..

>>3155092
You're not learning much by doing studies like these since (from what I can tell) you're focusing on the outlines of the body rather than the actual form.
The lines you've made to show the spine, shoulders, hips, don't actually do much in terms of learning.
Try using a method of construction that uses 3d shapes.

>One of my work is used for the OP
>AGAIN

>>3155107
>>3155107
bad

>>3155107
>>3155108
bad

>listen to music while watching drawing lesson videos at 1.5x speed

Am I even allowed to improve this fast?

>>3155117
You likely aren't actually learning anything.
I plateaued for a few months and pretty much all I was doing was watching vilppu videos at 3x in between classes. Looking back it was honestly a waste of time, but at that point I don't think I was even ready to learn what I wanted to learn. After months of failure and frustration I finally had the patience to watch an entire hour of vilppu slowly draw and talk without even looking at the time.

>>3155112
>>3155108
Isn't this a critique thread?

>>3155107
Its eyes are weird asf and it has a cabbage for a head. Redo it

>>3155117
watching videos will not get you better at drawing, drawing will.

>>3155112
>>3155108
I came here recognizing that it clearly isn't done well but if you could take the time to speak an actual sentence that would give me a better understanding of everything that makes this bad. And if you could point out a specific tutorial or two that might help I would appreciate that as well.

>>3155128
If you're expecting any form of dialogue you've come to the wrong place. This is a shithole where the best you'll get might be a repeat of vague advice you've been told a thousand times. Worst yet you'll be getting this advice from people who are most likely just as bad as you, if not worse.

If you want to improve go read a book and stick to the book, go to a more serious place for critique and advice such as a forum dedicated towards those pursuits. Once you're no longer a beginner you might be able to scrounge up a modicum of discussion in the regular draw threads on this or any other board. But still, it'll be worse than just sticking to books and forums.

To old2delete in last thread ;-;

>>3155128
Judging from your picture there isnt any one specific i can help you with.
Answers like that usually indicate that you havent put in enoguh work on your own at first to warrant someone giving you critique / helping you.

For starters read the sticky.
I personally started with "drawing on the right side of the brain" (disregard the pseude-science inside, but do the exercises) look at
b-ok dot org

Youll want to get rid of symbol drawing and practice being able to copy from reference on point this should take you a few days.
Then Decide what you want to draw, say its figures.
Take reference pictures or look at real people and draw them.
Pay attention to what makes or brakes a figure drawing.
Once you have some basic practice you can go to constructing basic figures with 3d forms, boxes cylinders etc.
Then comes anatomy, and throw gesture practice somewhere in there.

At your stage just drawing more will get you the knowledge (not the skill) to analyze whats wrong and know what and how you can study it.

>>3155128
>take the time to speak an actual sentence that would give me a better understanding of everything that makes this bad

It literally is everything that makes it bad. People are dumping on you because you clearly haven't gone through the basic boot camp that everyone puts themselves through. Someone who has read through fun with a pencil, drawing form the right side of the brain, or keys to drawing would not post that image and ask "whats wrong lol?". If you want anonymous strangers to put honest effort into a critique YOU need to put honest effort in your learning and into your drawings. If you don't feel like reading any of the books I mentioned you can look for resources in the sticky or find countless youtube channels dedicated to learning how to draw.

>>3155100
It is actually a pretty good gesture drawing m8. Head is too small and the left arm is kind of stiff and fucked but very nice natural flow and contrapposto. proportions are pretty on point too. You can see from the skeleton he understands the importance of maping out shoulder and hip angles when building a pose.

Post work my man.

>>3155135
>At your stage just drawing more will get you the knowledge (not the skill)
As in, your eyes will improve faster than your hands so to speak, this will be frustrating.

>>3155130
>This is a shithole where the best you'll get might be a repeat of vague advice you've been told a thousand times
Thats because all beginners start at square one, and its pretty much all said about the first steps you take to get out of that.

>Worst yet you'll be getting this advice from people who are most likely just as bad as you, if not worse
>"post your work" equivalent
Please go troll on /b/

>>3155019
My man, before you get into the nitty gritty of the muscles, just get the basic geometric shapes of the basic forms down first. Cylinders and spheroids around a basic gesture of a skeleton.

>>3155132
I really think you have a lot of potential man. For now just stop doing completed works with detail and stuff and just drill anatomy.

I'm just starting in this new digital drawing/pinting style... this is the first time i post and i just wanna some advices and stuff to improve; i'll be glad to read your opinions

>>3155141
>just believe anyone who sounds like they know what they're talking about

No, this is one of the other reasons I recommended the forums over >>>/ic/. At least on forums there is a form of identity that lends credence to their statements.

Anonymous imageboards are not optimized for advice and critiques

>>3155148
If thats from imagination its actually pretty decent.
Obviosly anatomy is lacking but that might just be that you cant quite paint what you already know about it yet.

One should have some good understanding of anatomy and posing and drawing in general before painting, but if you want to go for painting now try taking very basic things and painting them. Very few exercises will teach you so much in how to approach something more believable.

Here are some of mine. Folded them out of paper and placed them before me when painting them. For me at least it feels like simpler things lend themselves better to learn.

If you want to improve your painting try picking a midtone and "carve" out more and more details to push it to the limits of your skill. You indicated the face very efficiently, not well, but with very few strokes that make it somewhat believable as a thumbnail. Aim to make your pictures believable when zoomed out, then when you dont know what to paint anymore, zoom in and place smaller strokes, then zoom in again and so on.

>>3155135
Thank you, I have been reading from it, but I want to critique my artwork as I read it harshly enough so I can improve more. I think it's important to understand it from another point of view as I might get too used to seeing my own and end up thinking it's good enough when I can improve more. I understand what you're saying and I'll make sure to practice with more references and to draw more 3 dimensionally. My mother still owns textbooks on muscles and massage therapy so I can probably learn more about that from her. Thank you a lot for responding to my post :D

>>3155139
Ah I didn't realize it was a gesture.
In any case my point still stands about drawing edges. By focusing on the contours you dilute the natural rhythm of the body and make things stiff.

You're not wrong about it being decent, mapping out the shoulders and hips is certainly important and the anatomy's alright. Was just pointing out how they could learn more from their studies.

>>3155147
yeah, your probs right.

just got that loomist book on anatomy, so there's that.

>>3155148
Beginner painter here, but fairly decent draftsman.

First off good idea starting in grayscale. I'm at that stage myself.

I suggest you get a picture you want to reference, desaturate it, then paint it. After that, color pick and pull lines from the values on the ref to your painting. You'll notice that your value range is squished.

I'm overcoming that with this method. You just need to understand that you're not seeing properly. I'm also avoiding working with lights at all currently, and just trying to get shadows right, so the midtone is a white.

I'm not sure if this is "right", but I went from complete trash, worse than your painting, to pic related in a week or so.

Pic is my work, but I didn't color pick.

>>3155188
paint in at least one or two base tones for your background so you can more accurately judge values correctly. i wanna say that if you did that it would fix your mistakes but you painted an ear completely white anyway.

>>3155192
You're right about judging values, but I want to see if I can get the shadows down without a real midtone. As we both know, values appear different next to other values.

Also, I'm a fucking idiot and posted full res. Here is a downscale of the above, and also a color pick.

how am I doing
too stiff or what

>>3154864

>>3155198
Her hair probably isn't hiding an enormously bloated skull, anon. But maybe it is, in which case GJ

>>3155199
Hey do you midn posting the ref? I am only now getting into landscapes and that looks like a good thing to study brushstrokes with.

>>3155211
holy shit how did I not notice

>>3155214
I used to do that alot actually.
I bet you drew the head first and then forgot about it.

>>3155217
I did, but I think I tunnel-visioned really hard and stopped paying attention to it

Should I learn to draw anyways even if I'm terrified I'll learn the wrong way?

>>3155230
if you have that attitude in the first place, then no

Today's sketches.

>>3155270
Did another

I know that one guy advised me to stop doing complete works but wanted to finish this one first.

head is pretty f'd up.

why are men easier to draw but women I have to take my sweet time?

>>3155409
Women are delicate flowers. Men are rough bricks.

>>3155339
If you learn basic anatomy you stuff will look a lot better

>>3155303
Do you take screenshots every hour or something? How do you get your progress captured like that?

Some of my first figures of the day. Is there anything specific that's consistently wrong with my anatomy that I should focus on improving?

goddamn chinese painters

>>3155513
Just how do they do it?

>>3154864
bois im literally wanted to learn to draw all my life(27yo) and finally i got the thing started
read the sticky, took a look at suggested books
but the main question i have is:
do i need to start from pen and paper or i can start with the tablet? if the later than which one should i buy? im a totally new to this, but i really like what digital can do for you.
what should i start with?

>>3155527
Go ahead buy a tablet, but prepare for disappointed, it is not a magic bullet.

Only ever owned a medium wacom intous pro, it's okay, can't imagine the larger being more useful, think I could have lived if I had bought the small version instead.

>>3155548
Small tablets are usually too small, medium is the right size.

>>3155527
You gotta do both

I'm trying to practice some faces from a reference thread. Really not used to tone paper, bought this sketchbook on a whim

>>3155555
nice but check my 3

>>3155339
Unless she's a dwarf, the only thing wrong with this is the proportions. Do some anatomy study and it'll help loads.

>>3155513
well, in the ref, just like in trad paint, the strokes follow the forms and help define it. Your strokes are scribbly in places like the hair, the front of the neck, the lips, the eye lid. The ref also has more saturated colors in the highlight areas and this helps them pop. I wouldn't be surprised if some post processing filter was added to help the effect. Yours is a good study, btw.

>>3155555
Five 5's of universal truth

I just bought my first tablet
one of my first digital drawings

How do I shade in csp

>>3155603
what are you shading? I use default smooth watercolor, it blends well and you can make hard edge with pen pressure. Also default airbrush is good as well as gradients.

How am I doing?

I feel like the shoulders are off. I've redrawn the arms and shoulders a few times. Must be because I can't copy the perspective in my ref image.

>>3155527

If you can draw. Understand the process of drawing and are able to draw from observation.

Get a tablet and start learning digital.

As for tablet size, small is ok. Not impossible to get use to but a bit uncomfortable. Sit nicely on a desk with limited space. Works great with laptop because of the screen size and it's cheap.

Medium is the best if you got the space and money for it. Don't get anything larger unless you have a specific need for it. Like A HUGE monitor.

If you have a lot of cash to waste g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶ get a cintiq.

>>3155303

Stop wasting time doing this. Just practice.

i need to learn the basics anon-kuns.


help me make this frame look better.

>>does it need; more shaping?
>>a vanishing point?
>>better posture?
>>easy fix? strongly critique it...

>>3155629
Research gesture.

Looking for criticisms

Gestures

>>3154872

>turd polish

Crit ?

>>3155565
I love seeing drawings on toned paper - keep posting!

Any suggestions? please.

>>3155653
You're like a worse Nile, you should get advice from him.

>>3155565
What kind of pencils are you using?

>>3155629
practice gesture and anatomy

>>3155339
I'm impressed that you don't seem to see the flaws.

>>3155199
I like this one quite a bit

how to get neat work?

draw slower

ok thank

>>3155798
seriously though I can't put my finger on what makes this so messy-looking, can anyone help?

>>3155198
why even try when you cant draw a hand?

>>3155464
I regularly merge all my layers and need to revert mistakes through masking so I just ctrl+shift+alt+e them and store them in a folder and mass resize all the images to make 'progress'. There are also a bunch of scripts which will auto take screenshots.

I like to paint all on one layer.

figs from ref
lighting added later from imagination
crits on both pls

>>3155799
Be more confident with your lines and follow contours.
Might wanna be using a softer pencil as well.

>>3155660
Thanks:) I definitely will.
>>3155703
I'm using a kurutoga 05 mechanical pencil, a random 4b and a white charcoal pencil. :)

Hey guys, I'm taking a few art classes right now because its my minor but feel as if I should pursue my own studies

>figure drawing class
>another draw-from-life class
>obligatory graphic design class

What should I supplement this with? I aim to study and finish one textbook per week from now on.

>>3155861
How good are you?

>>3155819
imo this pencil's too soft; I press pretty hard to match values

Doing a drawing on Paint Tool Sai, and then I see that White dot. As the image shows, it makes the color in that area lighter than outside of it. I discovered that the White Circle is part of the linework layer. I try to use the eraser but it doesn´t erase. How I remove it?

What are some good video tutorials to use to continue my learning?

>>3154864
Should I start over with better construction or is there somthing useful I can learn from polishing this turd further?

>>3155871
Probably beyond the beginner's book level (i.e., Fun with a Pencil), though still need to work on fundamentals. Aka, not very good.

I'm a classic "have been drawing for fun my entire life but never FROM life" case. Great at technique and style, but not much else. Sure, I can just do more life drawings, just like I do in my classes, but I want something more...regimented? I want to improve as quickly as I can.

>>3155645
I'm a beg bro, but I like the idea and the creepy atmosphere. You may like Zdzislaw Beksinski Art.

>>3155966
Im familiar with him

>>3155782
I see plenty.

how do i anime? (srs)

>>3155912
You answered your own question. It would be helpful to get out of the habit of polishing before correcting construction errors. You're not too far off, I mainly just notice arm on the right is a bit sloppy and the ribcage is spaced out too much.

What should I grind when I can't draw a reference without warping parts of it?

>>3156017
Do more pictures from reference. What the hell do you think you're practicing when you do pictures with observation?

>>3155993
study anime

what is the best way to indicate calf muscles when doing gesture? I always lapse back into symbol drawing when trying to draw them

>>3156020
but how, whats the construction, whats the method, whats the form?

>>3155700
Hey now
>>3155653
I suggest you do a 50-100 hour master study of someone you love the rendering of, Ruan Jia, HGJ are the one's I've done a few studies of and they can teach you more than you might think.
Also go and read up on cast shadows and ambient occlusion

>>3156024
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=61829502
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=58797892

what makes lips look fuller?
what makes lips look thinner?

>>3156029
Why is someone as mediocre as you giving art advice?

How do I stop myself from spending five hours on my first primaries barely modifying anything cause I always fell like "the proportion on X compared to Y is one pixel off" and shit.

Shit sucks

>>3156053
that was actually really helpful thanks but what im really after is what do i do with that situation on the right here >>3155993

>>3156056
Woah there buddy let's not get ahead of ourselves, I'm not even mediocre yet but I'm happy you think so highly of me

>>3156054
Philtrum positioning, darker top lip vs bottom lip, shadow under bottom lip.

Also, the eyelashes on the eye on the left would fan out to the left, not forward.

>>3155653
>https://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

don't overblend. Keep shadows defined. Simplify the form into planes.

>>3156065
So what just a 1/3 angle? The bridge of the nose hides part of the eye(but remains unseen) on the far side of the face and the cheek bone sticks out from the jaw on that side as well. The closer side jaw goes back to the base of the skull, but it isn't cute so you cover it with hair.

These are all obvious just from looking at anime after you understand the actual subject, so basically L O O M I S.

Whats your usual habit for how you start a drawing session for the day /beg/? I notice that I've been being really retarded in regards to that recently.

>>3156144
Retarded how?

>>3156144
warm up with drawabox fundie training for ten minutes

>>3156144
Roll my wrists, draw a few circles/spirals from the shoulder, get drawing and if I'm not feeling it I'll do 30 second gestures.

>>3156155
Either starting by jumping right into whatever it is I plan to practice for the day and getting frustrated as hell, or attempting to warm up with >>3156158
and accidentally wasting way more than ten minutes

Loomis faces getting better slowly

Could someone redline this? I'm not a art person myself. this is my friend's art and wanted to see /beg/ 's pov on the anatomy/ perspective. I know he wouldn't mind me posting it on here.

Can anyone do quick redline if smth wrong plz?

Some photoshop artwork when i've used most of photoshop tool i know.

Is it okay to learn how to draw on a tablet? The main reason I started drawing was becase I wanted to d digital art.

I wanna get back into drawing but I feel kinda overwhelmed and don't know where to start. I've been drawing for most of my life up until high school and solely fell out of it after I graduated a decade ago.

I get so discouraged looking at my art and realizing how much time I wasted when so many I've followed had improved leaps & bounds.

It doesn't help i'm so easily distracted since I sit at my computer all day when i'm not at work.

Any advice? I wanna get back into drawing my own shit, i'm so fucking tired of commissioning other artists, especially since even that hasn't gone very well.

>>3156299
Have you already bought one?

>>3156305
Yes. Wacom inutos med

I can't draw for shit

How do I get better at digital painting? All of my attempts end up looking something like this except usually a bit uglier.

>>3156323
I would personally just look up youtube videos and follow along. Pick something you want to improve like hair and watch a bunch of videos on that and practice

>>3156316
Go study how real people look for Christ’s sake

thanks IC ive been giving drawing gestures a shot, and it seems to imrpove my structures and shit


my gestures still suck so ill continue to work at it....

>>3156299
It's just a medium, anon. It's like saying can you learn a different language by a computer program or should it be by a teacher. Old fashion folks would say through pencil and paper, but as long as you learn and improve then it shouldn't matter
>>3156302
Can you post some of your work? Don't compare your work to others. It's hard not to but you gotta focus on your own work. Understand that your art is bad and good. bad because you're still learning and it's not going to look the way you want it to and Good because you'll improve each time until you do see it the way you want it to
>>3156316
Focus on drawing fundamentals. Then color when you can draw.

>>3156345
>>3156333
I'm studying loomis btw
I just can't connect that information to my hand ffs

>>3156415
Draw simple shapes from real life. Like an egg or bottle or can, then draw more complex shapes like your hand. You will learn NOTHING from loomis until your brain has learned these shapes.

I don't like the loomis method for the whole figure, but I find villpu difficult to follow, how did I do?

(Did the gesture, then mix of soft/hard forms over that)

>>3156451
And one more

>>3155700
ok...

>>3156029
I will give it a go. Thanks.

>>3156068
Really useful stuff. Thank you for this.

am i missing something fundamentally?
my faces always looks so bad despite only being a little bit off

>>3156549
took another crack at it

first time inking

hows this

>>3155808
crits pls

>>3156568
Maybe work on your anatomy first... It looks like he's got spaghetti legs. The one on the right looks like it's not even attached at all.
Did you use reference for this?

>>3156577
wtf i just noticed that line on his left leg xD and yes

I'm a beginner and I'm overwhelmed with the amount of material given. I read the sticky and am slowly working around Keys to Drawing, but I don't feel like I'm really improving from the exercises. It feels like I'm just moving on from them. Does anybody have a suggestion of how they approach self-studying

A doodle

>>3156585
I feel the same way

I don't know how the smudge tool is supposed to be used but this shit seems like black magic or something

>>3156585
>>3156605
The way I'm handling it, I just sort of go to the resources I think will help me learn what I specifically want to learn. Trying to get through everything all at once is just too much.
Although it was probably a bit easier for me since I took art in high school, so I can't possibly know what concepts you aren't at least familiar with.
Eh, basically if you want to learn anatomy, study anatomy books. If you want to study faces, start with loomis and then explore other options (it's never a good idea to stick to only one source).
If you struggle with basic shapes, just make sure you're practicing those alongside your focus.

It can also help if you plot a course for yourself. Like for example, before I started, I decided I wanted to, in 1 year, get good at anatomy, figures, and value. In the second year, I want to learn environments and color. And so on.

>>3156623
This is super helpful. Thanks!

>>3156415

Loomis is construction. Don't start construction until you can copy by observing/breaking things down into simple shapes.

Focus on drawing from observation and your construction practice will be smoother. Jumping straight into construction is torture with the fundamental skills. Don't be like those people who draw for 7 years and not progress, then they blame it on "talent".

So I am new(<2 weeks) and I suck a lot, as is tradition. I have been on a fucking struggle bus to practice for the last week. Everything I do is just disappointing. I know it is hard and I have to get my abortions out of the way but most people tell me that I just need to enjoy the process. "Drawing is fun and if you don't like the act itself, it isn't for you. The end product is irrelevant."
Is that just bullshit? What does it feel like to have fun during the drawing? I usually zone out or am too focused on random shit to take note if I am enjoying it or not. At the end of a drawing I feel bad so starting the next one is harder. Once it is started I either get in the zone or talk myself out of finishing it because I know what the final product is. I feel like I never "experience" the drawing part.
Probably related but I also don't feel I am learning anything. I know I am being really autistic right now but how does it feel to learn how to draw? Do you consciously think of every single thing you were told or do you just throw shit at the wall the book instructed and see if it stuck? I am working through Keys to Drawing and the concepts I have gathered are simply stated but hard as fuck to do. How do you note progress?
This is honestly the first thing in life I haven't had pretty easy. I was pretty good at stem and math so I never really studied or put effort into school. Job is deadnuts easy, money was never an issue. I really like art, particularly clean line/ink artists. I envy how much work they put in to get there and products they can make as a result. This shit is just demoralizing and I feel like I am missing something fundamental to the process to make it manageable. Sorry for the gay-ass post, I just don't really know who to talk to about this shit.

How do I draw someone looking sideways without looking like their neck was in a catastrophic accident?

Trying to get serious about this shit.
Critiques greatly welcome. I want to be better.

sorry guys, I feel stupid for having made an another thread so...you can blow me.

>>3156702
It has a lot to do with shading with the head and the muscles in the neck.. check out YouTube video's they help greatly

>>3156705
You are doing great... the trick is to keep drawing and keep you old work to look back on.. as you get better you will see the mistakes you made in your earlier work.. that will show that your eyes for your worj is getting better..

>>3156705

>>3156736
>signed

lol

you're focusing too much on lines, pick better refs and think of drawing with values

Alright I can do a circle and an ellipse and a perspective box on paper but god damn I can't even do a short straight line digitally. Will this get any better or should I just use stabilizers.

I feel like everything boils down to simplify simplify simplify
when does this not apply

I'm a complete newfag to photoshop. As far as taking sketches I've drawn on paper and using Photoshop and other programs to add detail and color where exactly is a good place to start? Because I'm pretty sure so far I've been doing everything as inefficiently as possible.

>>3156755
Watch streams from your favourite artists.

>>3156767
observe the tilt of the pelvis and the twist of the figure

Beginners tend to want to draw figures that are straight up and down and facing the front.

>>3156700
You're overthinking it. You're used to STEM and math which is a different type of learning where you absorb information and use/apply it as necessary. With arts, while knowing what to do is important, it's less than half the learning process. Art is also building up muscle memory and intuition - this is what you're doing when practicing your fundamentals. Improvement will come with leaps forward and slide back as you first learn and practice the correct methods, then slip into bad habits and shortcuts. It's not a process with measurable results.

Keep drawing, anon. It's the drawing itself that matters

Would it be worth it to get an iPad Pro for Pro Create alone?I found a reasonably cheap one for sale (9.7 model, $300. Refurbished from Apple it would cost me ~$480 and I could use the extra $100 for the Apple pen)

How hard is it to get digital work printed off of an iPad? Is it complicated? Should I just save up a little more and go with a touchscreen art tablet like a Huion or something? The Huion would be bigger and the tech wouldn't get wasted since it's purely for artwork and my computer does everything else I need it to do. But the portability of an iPad is really appealing. Can I get some opinions on this?

Time to do some hand studies

>>3156316
>>3156333
>Go study how real people look for Christ’s sake
I think he was trying to draw a potato

>>3156839
iPad's are shit tier compared to wacoms, I've used both and would definitely recommend a wacom, a medium one if you can get it.

Hey everyone. I'm hoping one of you can tell me the names of these muscles.

first time trying figures from imagination

mostly first time drawing clothes/anime

First time posting.
Oil on canvas

It's a portrait of a girl I'm currently dating. Feedback pls

>>3156929

>>3156929
"first time posting" yeah but you been around the fucking block more than once. Stay far away from /ic/

the eyes look slightly uneven but it's probably because 1 I've never tried to draw an Asian and 2 the pic is sideways and I'm too lazy to correct it and look at it

>>3156922
>>3156923
>First Time
Then stop posting and keep drawing?

>>3154873

>>3156725
Looks like shit because you haven't drawn faces enough but Iike the idea a lot.

>>3156947
typically you increment it up until you start making drastic mistakes. are there any drastic mistakes here? can you point out some of the lesser mistakes? thanks in advance

>>3156746
muscle memory & depending on your tablet, Intuos 4 has that touch ring you can use to rotate the canvas to an angle that you are more comfortable at. Another method is zooming out and then erasing what you don't need, don't forget to make a new layer for that. Guides help, but your line weights will suffer. In the end depends on what you are drawing. But in time you do get used to the tablet.

>>3155808
crits pls

>>3156932
>>3156938
whta the fuck

>>3155808
the shapes and perspectives are good. You could work on your penmanship for cleaner lines before you go to the next step with the figures. You can think in 3D and that's a good sign, but your lines are hesitant and scratchy. Like your lines, your subject matter jumps around a lot. Unless this is page you sketched on at different days. You could use the page real estate a lot more efficiently. It looks digital so don't be shy.
From what I can tell the values on the simple forms are decent and that may be a result of your 3D aptitude. I think you will be able to get gud in time, keep at it.

>>3156963
>subject matter
what do you mean?
>scratchy lines
i think they will be this way for some time, i have to ability to clean up in a new layer its just when finding the right places i cant really do it without the messy lines.
>different days
its over about two days i think, one for the observation, the next for the light.

what would you say i should practice next?
and thanks for the crits. also i have this post if i could trouble you with it >>3156922

Critique please

>>3156997
Would make a good book cover or wallpaper but it's so symbol in terms of style that there is nothing to critique except for the fact that there should be more of it which isn't just in that corner.

>>3156997
woah, idk what it is but I love it

>>3156778
>>3156767
Don't study asian bodies unless you're making a realistic asian character. Asians typically have long torsos with short legs. On the flip side latinos have short torsos with long legs. This particular woman you used looks like shes barely above 4 feet tall so this is no good unless your making short-stacks or something.

probs the edgies thing I'll ever make.

>>3157119
>>3156776
I really appreciate the advice, senpaitachi.

>>3156929
The hair could be better

>>3156923
Good body proportions. Head looks weird

How is this political cartoon guys? I know the hand look bad.

trying learn how to paint + drawing faces

>>3157162

>>3156997
You might obtain a superior result by varying line thickness, eg thicker outer lines, smaller details and medium main lines.

>>3157162
learn to construct a face before jumping right into coloring/shading

>>3157135
resize-erino.

>>3156997
why the yellow? did you try other colors?

>>3157180
oh shit, the warbros #1 mistake remained in the Name.

I need ref for this pose and can't find a decent one. Should have done something easier to find.

>>3156966
>subject matter
>what do you mean?
You have perspective studies next to head construction next to form/gesture. I'm just saying stick to one topic per session. It'll help your concentration later when you work on longer, finished pieces.

You should be able to find the line you want with time and practise. But, there is also a danger of developing a bad habit of always drawing scratchy lines so be mindful. The Scott Robertson 'how to Draw' book linked in the books thread still helps keep me honest.

Your gesture and line of action is there on the figures. I would say draw finished looking figures using only those simplified forms for a few pages. What you have currently are good starting points for a sketch. Take some to the next step and really get 3D with the forms you can stick to lines for this and lightly show the back lines too. Especially if you are drawing poses from imagination, you should really work out the construction in detail. You have the advantage of infinite layers in digital art. I personally like Burne Hogarth's anatomy books because he does one of the best geometric breakdowns of human anatomy.
I break my studies into weekly cycles. For example, I'm concentrating on feet this week. First few days I copy construction and form from my favorite anatomy book. Then I do some muscle and bone studies, then I draw only the forms from reference images, then I top the week off with value studies combining everything from the previous days. I try to break it down into the drawing process, first the line of action/basic volumes, next more refined volumes/forms, then musculature covered by the skin. That final step could be done with linework, value rendering or a combination of both. Before this week I did two weeks of hands because I was having more trouble with it.

>>3157200
That's pretty unique pose. Did you try lookng for ref of the different parts? There's probably ref of legs/hips like that and some other ref of a torso/head like that.

>>3157142
I'm rather partial to this. I'm not interested in the message though

>>3157188
Checked.
Would probably look more ominous if the robed figures were too tall instead of too small. Compare them to the guy in the center.

Also look at robe reference. The hood should sag more into the face.

>>3156604
This is pretty nice. Does she have ears, though?

Underrated waifu (her right arm is fucked rip)

>>3157239
How does her torso work?

How do you go about designing characters? The best I can do is mix and match existing characters so until I get something original.

Is it okay to feel more comfortable using charcoal pencils as a beginner? I feel like with charcoal pencils compared to graphite pencils, I don't feel as "constrained" with my sketching.

It's more fun drawing with the charcoals right now.

>>3157253
Totally.

>>3157207
Yeah, but the hips ref are fucking hard to find.

can someone give me a tip how learn drawing heads? should i use some tutorials from yt and draw the same head over and over again or take some ref and try to copy structure using basic shapes?

heres a ref for you guys

HOW DO I GET GOOD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I doodled this alien plant thing cause I'm in a painting class and I'm supposed to paint something flowery I'm thinking of painting this...

Does anyone have a good tip to avoid this kind of "muddiness"?
At Photoshop my paintings look very different but when saving and opening them normally, the colours and lights goes always messy.
Sorry if the image doesn't show properly...newfag posting.

>>3157340

check your color mode in PS. Make sure it's in RGB.

>>3157342
RGB Checked. I save my paintings in PNG is that ok?

>>3157306
By pulling the trigger

>>3157340
You don't have a good value range in that image. When you squint and look at it, the old value checking trick, it gets almost completely lost. You have a lot of dark darks and some light highlights. There is almost no midrange so the mid and darks are blending into eachother. You can avoid the muddiness by painting a good range of values and not having a muddy painting to start with.

One way I check is to have a layer set to "hue" and filled black on top of my work. It turns everything to gray scale and makes it easy to check your value range. If you don't know what that means read up in the Scott Robertson "How to Render" pdf in the books thread.

>>3157343
No, you should use JPG for paintings, also be sure to convert color to SRGB profile in the export options

>>3157353
That's true. Thank you for very good advice!

>>3157355
Okay, how does that help and what does the SRGB do?

>>3157239
That whole picture is fucked mate

>>3157188
>>3157233
yeah right, kinda wish I sketched that one out in pencile first.

>>3154864

can I get a redline/help with perspective?

>>3157369
SRGB is the default color space, so don't embed any color profile during export and tick the convert to srgb option.
JPEG is a lossy format, so it can take less space, adjust the quality until the size/ratio is decent (90-80% quality usually)

>>3157398
tried 2 shell shade him, but it really fucked up(a already f'd up) face.

So I'm doing this "drawing on the right side of the brain", and as far as I can tell, what it's asking of me is fucking impossible.

First, I do a complicated hand pose while holding up a piece of clear plastic and looking at it from a specific angle and not moving my hand, the plastic, or my head/eye. Okay, whatever. It's going to move a bit because it's just not possible to balance plastic on a precarious hand-pose whilst drawing on said plastic balanced on said hand-pose and also not move any of it.
So it's literally impossible, but I'll get as close as I can.


The REAL shit comes in when, now, it wants me to transpose that outline onto paper- easy enough- and then re-do and further detail that by posing my hand in the same way in front of my face. WHAT THE FUCK, BOOK? You go out of your way to tell me to not change the angle or the position even slightly, and now I'm supposed to just hold it up? How am I supposed to remember the exact fucking angle and pose I had not only my hand in, but my head as well? I'm trying to contort my fingers to be kind of like the outline, but it will never look just like that.
So what the fuck!? how can I trust the details of my hand to work when transposed onto this outline, when it's very clearly a different hand position and/or angle of my head? Even if I got the detail of a wrinkle right, it wouldn't be the same for the thing I'm fucking basing it on.

Even if I COULD perfectly replicate the hand and angle I had made for that outline, I could never hold it for the requested time for the exercise anyway, a full hour.

>>3157239
how can you make a character look so ugly. shes not even in the manga btw

>>3157239
anon dont feel sad, /beg/ is always harsh, but U see what everyone is saying right? anatomically it looks odd, and the face is looks slightly weird.

I like the pupils thought, and the boat is pretty nice.

How do I git gud at drawing scenes? I can draw faces and bodies pretty decently when they're just floating in space but when I have to put them in a certain spot and I have to make them interact with the environment or other characters then things just kinda fall apart. I noticed this happen to Proko too when he tried drawing a figure sitting on a chair and it looked kinda off.

Well, this was supposed to be my attempt at Inktober.
Spent WAY too much time on it. Then looked in the thread, realized most of the stuff there was probably put out in a good hour or so, while still looking way better than mine by lightyears. So fuck it. I'll just post here instead.
Being shit at drawing is suffering.

>>3157456
Very bad

But you'll get better unless you're a huge pusy

Should I just quit and try again next year, when I'm more experienced as an artist?

>>3157462
the whole point of inktober and drawtober is self-improvement and creating good habits. so just go for it!

>>3157458
Thank you
but what is a pusy?

>so many things to pick to git gud at
>pick none of them

>>3157452
lookin fun. Feet should be more extended.

>>3157452
Yep, that's about my feelings on the matter too.

Working on learning how to construct using Loomis' Fun With A Pencil and I'm stuck. Am I just filling different lines in compared to him or is something fundamentally wrong with how I'm constructing?

>>3157495
your under drawing, the construction shapes, are scratchy and tentatively drawn. Then you went ahead with a poor foundation. Take your time to match his loose construction version first. That centerline and eyeline on the head sphere is there as a guide or a landmark. Use that to properly place all the other construction forms in the correct proportions. You won't get it on your first try so fill a page with that one head if that's what you need to match it.

>>3157562
>>3157562
>>3157562

>>3157562
>>3157562
>>3157562

>>3157562
>>3157562
>>3157562

>>3157474
men legs don't just go out instantly with the hips

they have a dent where it goes from sides to leg.

he has very sexy lady legs.

>>3157411
Okay. Thanks for advice!

i havent drawn anything in years. this is my first drawing on a surface pro 3. Any advice/tips? please and thanks

>>3155782
I'm impressed that you felt the need to say this although this person didn't claim that he didn't see any flaws.

There always has to be a condescending prick in every thread, otherwise it wouldn't be /ic/