/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

My first portrait, I like how it came out. I need to study ears and pay more attention to centering the mouth. These are just the most glaring things to my eyes, everything would benefit from improvement of course.

>>3149414
subject

First attempt at drawing. Faces look like shit. Do i have future in this?

How important is drawing someone from real life? Are pictures a good substitute. I'm thinking of going to this gesture drawing thing with a nude model but I'm a huge fag so I'd rather not.

>>3149427
That's like looking at a baby and determining their future career.
If you can draw for hours at a time in a consistent schedule, you can become an artist.

Also those boxes don't teach you anything unless you put them into perspective.

>>3149431
Drawing from life is pretty much the best way to improve, with a picture you already kind of have the object laid out for you in 2d so an aspect is removed, but it is still good practice anyway

>>3149434
I was actually practicing lines with that boxes, also used to draw better in the past but stoped for a very long time. So what should i study first? thanks for the response.

>>3149438
read the sticky

>>3149438
Read stickies and do the infamous 'drawabox'.
Learn how to draw 2 point perspective of all the major 3-D shapes (cube, cylinder, sphere/ellipse), and start learning to see the world in these shapes to the point where you can break down any photo/drawing into them.

>>3149240
anything helps.

took some anons advice to avoid quick drawings. spent a couple hours on this one

>>3149453
reference

>>3149449
Read the sticky and go to drawabox.
Don't do outlines before you learn proper construction with 3-D shapes.

What's the best source on learning construction.

>>3149455
I've been drawing for a long time, and apparently I need tutorials in order to get this done. So, whats the point of drawing by yourself? Is it impossible to draw well without instruction, or is it practice by itself never enough?

>>3149460
You first need to get instructional material, to learn how to draw what you are drawing. Then. you practice in order to refine that knowledge, which becomes skill. You must consume learning material AND apply that in your drawings. That is how all skills work. You read up on how to draw anatomy, then practice from the book, then practice on your own.

>>3149463
that's the basic gist of a normal path to art, but is it possible to work it with just practice alone?

>>3149457
Loomis' books are fantastic for learning construction, as well as the site drawabox. Loomis focuses more on people, while drawabox focuses on objects

>>3149464
>>3149460
Of course it isn't when you have no idea what the path to improve looks like.

Drawing smiley faces for 10 years isn't going to let you draw photo realistic portraits.

You get a goal, look at a tutorial to do that goal. Practice, fix mistakes, repeat until you can do it without making mistakes. Repeat with new goal until you reach your ideal.

>>3149467
I see, to the sticky then.

>>3149464
I'd say you'd at least need to draw from life. The best way to learn art is to learn the "rules", so when you break away from them you can do so and still make your drawings good. Though when I say learning material, references are counted in that.

>>3149427
Drawings a skill, and all skills can be learned. Your future in an art career isnt determined by your art skill right now. It is determined by your willingness to practice drawing everyday and building your ability to practice it everyday. Nice motorcycle btw

>>3149457
All the books that the sticky tells you to read. Almost every single one of them teaches you construction because it's that important to know.

how do i get my fingers to stop sweating?

how am I doing

>>3149479
also please tell me how to fix the rear arm in particular

>>3149479
>)
Dunno how to fix the arm but it obviously shouldn't be a little stub. Google baseball batters and look at their arms and copy that.

Finish it, I want to see what it looks like and how long did it take for you to reach this point?

>>3149488
I started this yesterday and work in like short periods or something, so maybe I've spent like 3 hours total or something up to this point? Alot of it was staring at and trying to understand reference pictures instead of actually drawing

Okay, so I just realized that the the edge of the eye furthest from the nose extends further back than the one closest. I think this was what was preventing me from drawing good eyes in the past, and I'm feeling kind of like an idiot for not realizing it before.

>>3149539
Draw and show us what you mean, anon.

I drew Xena, please give me some constructive criticism.

>>3149553

ref

>>3149553
keys 2 drawing

>>3149540
Yeah, I didn't really explain what I mean that well.

You see how in this pic, the white of the eye seems to be more exposed on the left side than the right?

this question is dumb as fuck but

if I'm still a beginner how thick of a tool should I be using? like, so far I have been trying to force myself to use relatively thin lines for precision but obviously I have an easier time using larger lines. Is using thick lines like that going to bite me in the ass later? I don't want to develop dumb habits

>think I'm good enough to leave /beg/
>sign up for classes at local Uni to get degree in fine arts
>professor says I am doing well and constantly compliments me
>getting the stinkeye from classmates is normal
>someone hires me $100 to do a book cover, 1 week for concept sketches on what my vision is, then 1 week to do their vision after reading synopsis
>they dislike the vision sketch and say its not what they had in mind
Okay I'm back. How the fuck do you "draw happiness". Literally what the fuck. He never told me what he had in mind either. Has yet to provide synopsis.

>>3149627

Mate, artists are cunts, doesn't matter if they're painters, actors or writers. Don't be discouraged if you can't live up tp the standards of one spastic novelist.

>>3149627
just some wanky insecure underman
just ask for something exact to draw or move on

>>3149627
Just do some research. What genre does he write in. What kind of covers do his other novels have. What kind of covers do recent popular novels written in that genre have.

Then steal those ideas and put your own spin on them.

>>3149584
I've been drawing for a while and still still plagues me. Some days I would draw with a brush that allows me to get thick lines and some days I will draw with a brush that gives me thin lines. It's like a mood swing. I've been finding maybe thicker lines for when I'm trying a new process and when I'm confident on the subject at hand I can revert back to a brush with a thinner line.

So I'm having a problem with contrasts. Basically the main criticism I get is that my drawings are too light and I'm not using the full range from white to black. Even if I spent additional hours trying to darken a drawing I still get told that it's too light. I especially have this problem when I'm drawing someone in daylight. To me the shadows on someone's body usually just come off as really subtle, so I draw them that way.

Anyone got some tips for this? Maybe some book? I did go through all the beginner's books like drawing on the right side of the brain, fun with a pencil etc. I don't really have a problem with construction or proportions. Just shading.

>>3149715
You're either using a tool that's too light or not taking pictures of your work properly. And even in daylight the shadows can be pretty dark in some places.

>>3149722
I'm using a 4b pencil. Is that not enough?

>>3149732
Yeah 4b should be just enough if you're not using paper that's too cheap.

Working through Keys to Drawing. How do I know when to go to the next lesson/exercise? Should I be repeating lessons if they look like shit? I started a few days ago and am at the emulation but I am struggling to see "it" and coordinate my hand with that. Do you just press on and let things catch up?
Pic related was my mechanical drawing exercise (I know I didn't finish it and sorry for potato). I feel like it looks like shit and doesn't capture the shapes well. Should I have kept doing mechanical drawings until I felt they looked good? I feel like this book assumes you aren't retarded with a pencil but I could be missing the point.

>>3149734
ref for the pic if it matters at all

>>3149733
I thought so, so I don't think that's the problem. I'm just afraid of losing the subtleties if I go too dark.

My first value study. Any notes?

>>3149734
The primary lesson in Keys to Drawing is to learn how to draw 'what you see' without letting your brains get in your way. I think the book's most helpful for drawing portraits and to extent, figures, with proper measuring.

Treat the exercises as brain exercises. Go through them once, reflect what you learned and move on. Spend some more time line drawing portraits and figures (line-of-action.com is good for that) until the faces and bodies start to look accurate.

When drawing mechanical things like typewriters, especially in perspective, it's more beneficial to use construction techniques which you should learn after Keys to Drawing.

>>3149758
Is there any book for practicing shading? I'm having the most problem with achieving high contrasts.

>>3149762
I searched some books today but they weren't to my liking. Scott Robertson's rendering book looks the most promising but it's gonna take a lot of effort to go through.

The study I did was from ctrlpaint.com/videos/form-value-and-light and I think the guy's explaining things pretty well.

>>3149414
Shave off the chin a bit and it'll look good. The face area looks great (though not 100% accurate)

>>3149449
Looking good

>>3149479
I like the twists in the body. I recommend reading Vilppu and Hampton to push the gesture more and reduce jankiness.

>>3149821
'Looking good' meant for this post:
>>3149453

How do you paint shadows in csp. Like going from dark to light

>>3149834
Using CSP I went with 'Emphasizing texture' brush and focused on drawing darkest spots first. I used the same dark brush color thorough the process. I erased the dark spots in mid tone areas with similarly textured soft eraser. Then I did the opposite with white color: going from whitest spots to less white spots.

t. >>3149758

>>3149849
I'm retarded and still don't understand. Whst do you mean by textured eraser

So I'm trying to get into calligraphy and while I'm relatively understanding of it, I am having one major issue. I am a left handed writer and I am having a lot of trouble finding left handed scripts. I was first working with a script and being that it is right hand oriented I have trouble with some letters. Pic related

>>3149851
It's ok. I chose soft eraser, clicked the wrench bottom right to open the tool menu, went to 'textures' and tagged the two top options to be visible. Then I chose 'rough texture' and added some 'texture density' to make the texture effect stronger.

Play around with the settings and see which looks the best (pic related worked for me)

What would be a good way to practice getting my proportions right?
Also, how do I sketch less sloppily?

why is shading a sphere so difficult

>>3149877
Because you haven't done it enough yet.

>>3149875
Did you practice traditional before doing digital? Drawing in only pen does wonders for line confidence.

>>3149875
It looks like you're working from an incorrect diagram, the torso is too long compared to the legs. I guess the best way to practice would be to do a hundred of these then post it so we can tell you what parts aren't correctly proportionned. Your shapes aren't too bad though.

Thoughts on my attempt at Riven. Trying to get good at line art so I can then learn how to paint digitally.

How do i make the palms not too wide and not too narrow so the fingers can fit nicely?

>>3149904
Your palms go too far up where the pinky and ring is. Look at your own hands and notice the separation between your fingers and palm, it's staggered, not a flat line.

>>3149904
>natural talent hands man walks through thread
FUCKING TALENTFAGS GET OFF MY /BEG/

>>3149490
I think >>3149488
meant how long it took to get to your level. how long overall have you drawn ?

>>3149897
Lips and nose look good. It's good that you use whole paper.

Eyes are bit too far up. They should be in the middle of the head.

You're using symbol drawing which is most apparent in the eyes. I recommend learning construction by reading Preston Blair or Loomis.

>all this hardcore perspective before you can even move on to rendering
Are you supposed to do them together or what? It'll be like a year before you get to rendering.

>>3149962
Do whatever you want. There's no reason to ONLY do practice. If you want to try rendering, try rendering. Include it in your perspective drawings if you want.

>>3149915
you'll realize how silly this sounds in about a year or so

How many hours a day?

>>3149983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Al7QAS89s&t=865s

I'm a beginner, is this an OK reference to use for a study? this type of subject is what I want to draw a lot of down the line

>>3149983
16, sometimes more.

>>3149994
Ask yourself if you feel comfortable attempting to draw this. Is the answer yes? Then absolutely, go for it. Is the answer no? Fuck it, try it anyway.

>>3149983
1 then 2 then more

I tried

>>3149332
Is it possible to make it without going to art school? Who are some recent examples of people who have?

>>3150078
see >>3149986

>>3150068

You turned into a transvestite...

>>3150078
im pretty sure out of all the stupidest questions on ic this is the stupidest

>>3150068
really good but as the other guy says, the masculine/feminine facial characteristics are not something you have learned yet.

>>3150078

Yes. You either make it by getting really good or by having a lot of connections. If you're good and have a decent personality then you don't really need to kiss other people asses.

>>3150084
>>3150088
Let's just go all the way then.

It's a few years old now, but I haven't had time to come back to digital drawing properly yet. Do you like it?

>>3150165
How do I get as good as you?

>>3149996
Last time I drew something with a similar subject I was told it made people feel uncomfortable

>>3150170
Keep drawing pal. This was done purely from imagination, experience gained only through drawing while at last row throughout all of my education and sometimes, but rarely, at home, for fun. I'm not bragging, since you could think I do. Is this unusual? I have nobody to ask, since I'm friend with people who I know had no experience in drawing so their opinion will never be objective, thus can't be trusted, Sorry for a blog, but for the question above this was all the context that I had to include.

>>3150175
Why do you care about what other people think about the references you use? Are they clients? Who are you learning to draw for.

>>3150175
Who gives a fuck dude? draw your bears as much as you like. In fact I'd love seeing you improve because I like drawing hairy men too.

>>3150170

By not shitposting in /beg/

Is there anything inherently wrong with this construction method that you guys can see?

It's extremely appealing to me and it's probably what I'm going to use for stylized drawings.

>>3150220
How the fuck are your lines so slick and clean?

>>3150224
I wish.
This is from a tutorial on hips that I'm practicing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXNmBiNkcUQ&t=1s

>>3150220
Dude, how do I get as good as you?

Why do you warm up your shadows? Shouldn't they be cooled since light is warm?

Any c600ents?

>>3150220
torso is too stretched out.
In the two segments that compose the torso, the ribcage is it's own segment, the guts and the pelvis are the other segment.

The ribcage is just under half the length of the entire torso.

>>3150220
The torso is too long, area under the ribcage and above the navel should be shorter

>>3150226
ok. No wonder why your proportions are fucked up. Stop following this guy's vids.

>ref_hgj_ripperoni.jpg
>that filename
kek

>>3150242
>your proportions
anon its literally a screenshot from the video. Its not his work.
>>3150239
its stylized, not figure drawing.
>>3150226
HE said a long time ago he learned to draw traditionally and I assumed that meant actual figure drawing. Don't bother with this construction if you can't already do reliable figure drawing, if you can its fine.

>>3150250
That's what I was curious about, is this construction not adequate enough for figure drawing?
What characteristics is it missing that relegates it to stylization? I know the hip-bones are a bit too pronounced and the torso is too long as others have said.

Need some crit on my head constructions. thanks!

>>3150254
The cut off part on the side of the head believe it or not is actually a circle.

>>3150253
I think its better to start with even more basic shapes then what they use so you can worry first about placement and proportion. That guy draws nothing but fat ass anime girls, which is what you would get if you use his construction.

Can anyone recommend me a good book on gesture? I feel like my figures are either too stiff but anatomically correct or very fluid and dynamic to the point of being too hard to add anatomy.

>>3150274
Just take the latter. Hampton said something like, make your gestures as expressive as possible because the more forms and such you add on top, the more expressiveness it loses. Either that or Huston said that, either way good advice.

C+c please third painting ever. Pls no bully

>>3149332
i can never tell if it's good or bad to be featured in the op

>>3149332
I'm flattered by your memeification of my shitty orcpaint for the OP, OP. Readying my DMCA takedown notice, but flattered.

>>3149332
the fuck brah

>>3150238
more if anyone is interested

>>3149481
The rear arm needs to go down at an angle and then come forward at the elbow, check this out.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Should I be drawing with stabilizers on? Would this be bad in the long run

I really have difficult to draw his left hand, hair and face. This are things to pratice.

Do u have more tips?

>>3150331
Reference.

>>3150335
This meme never was so real to me.

And one more question.

How can I make shadow or paint without leave the "pencil mark"?

>>3150255
My bad. I guess the cut-off plane goes even farther to the back of the head, yeah?

Anything else to note and focus on differently?

Do these look like PC case shapes more so than cubes to anyone else?

I can't get over it

This is probably my best piece yet. DO NOT STEAL!!11!!!!!!! i wokred really hard on this one, and i think youll all like it.

its called "VoDKa's pain"

is this ok for my first go at a foreshortened head from keys to drawing

>>3150377
ref

>>3150292
it's a toss up, some shitters some decent-but-still-/beg/, honestly trying to do more like environments or something because all figures/heads all the time is grating

>>3150309
yw

>>3150112
now thats better

practicing the sterometric figure I know it's off but what should I try improving on?

>>3150365
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/6ogq2j/psa_rotated_boxes_is_not_strictly_speaking/

yep

>>3150365
kid has no business teaching drawing

The background isnt finished, but portfolio day is coming up and i'm actually scared.

>>3150365
yep.. the drawing in the drawabox website, has the outer points closer to the boxes.. so those lines would "converge more" and they wouldn't look like pc cases

I started learning how to draw so I can draw comics (manga style) some day. At first learning fundies made me appreciate complex and realistic art more.. but now after a while I've gained even more appreciation for good animu guys. This Honda guy is a beast. Sorry for unrelated post, I have no friends.

>>3150573
Post your favorite anime and your art. It's time to make friends.

Need some critiques, trying to get better.

Drawing is so fuckin hard jesus christ. Gonna go grind more now.

>>3150583
don't have much to show really, posted some of my work before, just a regular beg I guess, but lately I've been doodling and trying to get into nib & ink but it's so fucking hard cause the tip gets stuck in the paper and everything goes to hell, specially when trying to do circles, straight lines are easy though

fav anime eva, opm, hxh, monster, bebop, berserk (manga)

opm and mp100 inspired me the most into starting to try, there seems to be a subtle, deep heart-warming motivational message in everything ONE writes..

>>3149479

ok now how am I doing

>>3150635
I can't tell if I did the baby hands/feet thing again, there's supposed some level of foreshortening and I'm not really used to that yet

>>3150635
>>3150640
you made her feet smaller for some reason.. looked better before, now it's tiny feet and tiny hands, the lower part of her legs also look weird and fat

>>3150635
Thicc

>>3150318
stop just blatantly blurring everything out and work on your line art.
Plus ofcourse keep practicing human figures.

>>3150331
>>3150335
make your images smaller, jesus.

>>3149332
When I study real faces what do I do to be able to apply to my imagination

>>3150687
Use the reference as a guideline instead of treating it as a thing to copy.

>>3150696
How do you use it as a guideline?

>>3150699
Make sure you see where the features and lighting are so you can apply it to your own.

>>3150635
The skirt looks really good. Did you use reference for that?

>>3150324
>>3150635

Fix the arm, anon even found a picture for you to use as refrence.

Hey, anyone using mobile 4chan here? What app do you use to crop the pictures to follow the /ic/ guidelines?

>>3150707
not specifically
I was just looking at pictures of pleated skirts and realized that when they bend at all they make sharp folds because the cloth is relatively stiff so I tried to copy that

>>3150712
man, I thought I did
I feel like if I move the elbow further to the right she'll be breaking her arm

>>3150687
holy shit are you my brother?

What kind of assignments are first year art students doing? I want to get really good at art, but I feel like I'm gonna need a little direction.

my figure drawing is degenerating kill me

>>3150752
no you garbage fuck

>>3150769
lmao im not sure if youre the same guy

how long do you practice for before you stop being disgusted by everything you create

>>3150774
1 year 6 months

>>3150774
30 minutes

>>3150774
it will never end Anon

>>3150774
For me, it changes all the time. Some days I can get really good work done, some days I don't know why I bother. Just keep at it, friend.

Am I on the right track, or do I need to completely rethink the way I do figure drawing?

>>3150774
1 year for me

>>3150780
this , i think my stuff is ok one day then the next i think its not so great . i notice it depends on if i have been studying before hand.

>>3150774
I just don't hate anything I do, not that I like anything I'm doing either.

>>3150749
>I feel like if I move the elbow further to the right she'll be breaking her arm
That's because you're thinking of her arm as a single cylinder running from shoulder to wrist.

Break her god damn arm. Break it until you figure out how to break it at her elbow.

>>3150031
crits pls

>>3150031
plits crease

>>3150829
What were your goals for this piece? How long did it take you?

>>3150832
Post ref.

>>3150834
https://sketchfab.com/models/30f43907f7814582b5dacbbadbabbe6d

Going through keys to drawing, but i dont seem to improve, any advice?

>>3150857
Seems like you're still drawing your idea of your subject, rather than the actual thing.
Have you tried copying upside-down line art yet?

How the fuck do you actually apply loomis head construction to like a picture reference. My shit is always wonky as fuck or too big/small

>>3150862
You don't.

>>3150865
So what's the point of it then.

>>3150867
The point is to get a firm idea of the proportions. It's supposed to help you understand the basic underlying structure of the head, so that when you get around to actually using reference, you know what you're doing.

>>3150860
I did the one from drawing on the right side of the brain.

But I dont know hwo to translate that into real life drawing. i cant turn real objects upside down, and they aren't made of line art, but 1 million different shades and they are 3 dimensional :(

I feel like I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure out exactly what.
Could I get some crit on these?
The leftmost one was a 10 minute pose, while the other two were 25 minute poses.

Also, I apologize ahead of time for using graph paper, it was the only way I could get myself to actually draw - I have a hard time doing pure practice in my sketchbook.

>>3150872
Maybe you should think about doing it a second time. Really try to study the lines and copy them exactly. Don't rush it.
It might help you to draw a grid over the reference, and another on your blank page. Make sure they're equal in size, that way you can break the image down into manageable chunks.

how long is too long for a sketch?

ideas

ideas

What do I read to learn about clothes and fabric stuff

>>3150890
I haven't read them myself, but these should be a good place to start:

Drawing Drapery Head to Toe: by Cliff Young
Drawing the Clothed Figure: by Michael Massen

>>3150833
>goals
only goal is to get better
>time
idk about 10 minutes i think, maybe more.

>>3150886
Swimsuits aren't made out of putty you know.

>>3150882
More than you need.

whats the problems with the rendering and with the values?
Should I already start using colors or should I learn a better rendering first?

How do I draw boobs that don't look fake ? animu really skewed my views on how they are supposed to look like.

>>3150906
post boobs.

>>3150906
view reality
or this https://sketchfab.com/models/fe0be7c52bb943e1bf5ef49b2a2ff116

>>3150770
yeah that guy wasnt me

>>3150749
The foreshortening on her back arm isn't clear enough. Try to sketch it out with coils or circle contours or something, and then when that looks right use the sleeve folds to give the same idea.

>>3150894

Maybe it was custom made for that creature...

>>3150748
Pixlr

So how do you go about learning how to construct from imagination? It never looks right for me, and I think having to look for references for a pose all the time is limiting. Just keep drawing until you eventually 'get it' and it looks right?

>>3151162
More or less... Draw from reference. Draw the same thing again without the reference, and using the construction.
Then draw the same pose, but from a different angle, still using construction.
repeat ad infinitum.
Do that, and before you know it, you won't even need the construction anymore.

>>3150903
Your rendering looks fine to me, just keep at it. If you think you're ready to tackle color, I say go for it.

>>3151192
That is just memorizing a pose. If you want to do something slightly different you are fucked and need to do the process over again.

>>3151162
You just have to feel it.

>>3151203
Yeah, true. I should have specified to do it with a whole bunch of poses, not just the one.

would you hire me fellas

>>3151249
Show me some more designs and we'll see

just ignore the hands, I still need to seriously work on hands.

>>3151273
You need to seriously work on everything

what the fuck is the process to digital "painting"? I did sketch>dark silhouette>and then progressively brighter values over the top. Is that it?

>>3151311
Just fucking alla prima that shit.

>>3151353

>>3151353
girl is leaning back a bit

>>3150894
I tried looking at swimsuits for reference, thought i did decent. what do you think could be better

>>3151505
It's the left strap over the mutation. Swimsuits are quite rigid and there would be a lot of pulling on the rest of the swimsuit and the band would be taut instead of just a loose ribbon.

Honestly, if you drew it realistically, the swimsuit would be pulled almost past the "mouth". It'd be better to just have the band snap instead if you don't want to redraw everything.

>>3151505
why don't ya just give her a one shoulder piece or something

>>3149332
I don't think there's anything particularly offensive about my faces but they're just so goddamn unappealing...

Can't paint good fashion. any suggestions?

>>3151642
lmao that nose are you using the loomis memeball?

>>3151654
Yes? Should I not be? Am I doing it wrong? I do draw noses to large, I don't even realize it until people point it out.

>>3151642
OY!

I just like to doodle in my free time when im stoned what do you guys think

>>3151675
Heres the op before i got bored with it

>>3150872
>>3150881

Do the Bargue Drawing Course. DotRSotB is a meme book. Don't consider careful measuring and placing marks cheating. Eyeballing stuff comes naturally after having practiced measuring carefully with construction lines.

>>3149332
So is rendering just more about practice and sleight of hand than theory? Theory seems quite simple, highlight, halftone, core shadow and reflected light, but making it look right and look good is a different story.

anyone /quit/ here? I can't stand being mediocre anymore with all the work I do.

>>3151837
>can't stand being mediocre yet gonna quit
Then you'll be mediocre forever.

>>3151838
It's been six years, and I have still not been able to defeat the evil mediocrity that has plagued me.
I'm exhausted and dissatisfied.

am I still symbol drawing?

going through keys to drawing but can't really tell. part of me thinks it is part of me thinks it isn't.

>>3151843
It's more obvious whether or not you're doing it when you actually finish your drawing as opposed to be in the middle.

>>3151841
post work? I want that confidence boost you know.

>>3151848
https://imgur.com/a/cQZTD

I've done more art, but I haven't improved.

warning horse shit.

>>3151853
>tfw the horses are not too bad because of symbol drawing
Work on observational drawing from references/life and measure, measure, measure. Report back in a month.

>>3151853
thanks, I feel much better

>>3151856
alright, i'll try that.

>>3151853
>Come to mommy

>>3151853
Yeah, I remember you.

Shit like that actually makes me believe that the idea is that everyone has talent, except for a select few (as opposed to the other way around).

>>3151859
heh
>>3151860
Well, at least I tried. That's all that matters.

>>3151853
Top is most recent? It's actually a shame I can barely tell.

It's just so much symbol drawing with no construction. If you wireframed everything it'd be better. So many parts of your drawings are completely flat, especially limbs, hair, and tail.
You're just drawing what you remember they look like instead of creating 3-D construction.

I'm sure you already know this if you've been drawing for 6 years though. But I swear you can get better.

tried painting a book after a long time of no painting...

for starters i probably need to re do my fundamentals?

>>3151865
The top ones are actually a lot better than the bottom ones if you look through them all. He got better at drawing ponies probably because he references them correctly.

>>3151865
I've done more.

Heres one of my recent ones.
>>3151870
I wouldn't know, I have a hard time discerning whats good.

>>3151873
It doesn't matter to you what's good only what's right. The very first image you have of a pony at the bottom has the legs all messed up, but you now draw the legs they way look stylistically and confidently too.

>>3151875
Well well, thats the first time I heard someone tell me I improved. I guess maybe I'm just a slow learner.

drawing for years and i'm still ass how can i learn about proportions

>>3151879
Just drawing isn't enough, you need to also try harder then you did before. That's the biggest difference in people who see huge improvements and why you see none when you stay in a comfort zone.

>>3151879
By drawing from observation, you dumb ass. Do the exact same thing as >>3151856

>>3150112
perfect!

drawing this rear arm has broken my spirit
I think I've been staring at it too long

Okay so 5-6 hours makes sense if you believe in the 10,000 hour meme but just what the fuck should i be practicing and in what order

>>3151897
whatever you want

>>3151897
The fundamentals, they'll keep you busy for 10,000 hours.

>>3151853
>"all the art I've done over the years"
>as many drawings as some have in a week
>all these years without a single observational study
>surprised he's bad

>>3151908
>as many drawings as some have in a week
What did anon mean by this?

>>3151910
10 hours a day, 5 minutes for each drawing, 7 days a weak would be 840 drawings. Haven't counted but the imgur seems to have about a thousand drawings.

I never get any comments on my studies here, at least tell me why I'm not gonna make it guys

>>3151916
>10 hours a day

>>3151916
>5 minutes for each drawing

>>3151873
>>3151878

Only been drawing on and off for like a year and a half and so I'm still shit as well. but this is what I meant by wire-framing and 3D construction.

Every part of the body is a variation of a shape, cube/sphere/cylinder/cone.
Make all your drawings of zebras if you need to, you just need to think harder about the underlying form instead of just outlines/symbols.

>>3151853
Horses have skeletons too.
You can make passable horses sometimes with symbol drawing but you fell flat a lot of the time.

>>3151921
You're on the right track, you just gotta think more about why stuff looks the way it does. From a 2 dimensional view a lot of colors are in the general area where they should be, but they don't represent anything. As a result you have a lot of edges that don't have any meaning.
Look at the soft round forms of the snow on the left side of the foreground. You can clearly understand what you're looking at in the reference. On your side it's a crisscross of lines, on the other you can see a soft gradation over the roundness of the snow mounds with hard edges where the light side of a mound in front overlaps with the shadow side behind it.

>>3151923
Yes there are people here who have the time to do that.
>>3151925
That's about as much as it takes to do the kind of drawings posted by the mlp anon, ignoring the few exceptions.

>>3151938
Meant to say, "With the shadow side of another behind it."

>>3151844
ok i was just wondering about the eyes

>>3151959
Who knows. Can you draw eyes from a different angle?
If you understand the sphere of the eye and shape of the socket, then you should be able to draw from any angle.

>>3151853
that's alot of mlp

>>3151963
Right? Anon is one dedicated mother fucker, he's like if giant loli anon didn't study his fundamentals.

>>3151916
aww shit, i spend like 3 hours a day, and it takes me about 1 hour for each drawing.

>>3151916
This is the most dunning krueger post I've see today. Do you even draw? No one spends 5 minutes on a drawing unless it's a small scribble. It's atypical to put in 30+. 800 drawings in a week? No one ever does that unless they just want to waste paper or are doing studies of something. Either way, it's clear that the anon with his album spend more than 5 minutes on drawing a pony, you don't see the mistakes erased which is what most people who don't draw don't understand.

>>3151968
If you actually study instead of doing the nosebro it's actually good to take it slow. The only thing where quantitiy is a lot more important than quality is gesture.

Fun to do.

>>3151973
Nice. You've got potential, kid. Great ideas, but your execution is lacking. Keep it up, you're gonna make it.

>>3151971
What does Nosebro do instead of studying?

>>3151973
I'm guessing left is the new one? How long was it between these two?

>>3151973
How are you so good?

>>3151977
W-wew.
Right is the redraw. The gap is like 5 years or something.
Left is originally a study.

>>3151979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

>>3151981
Sorry.

>>3151973
>yfw most people in /beg/ can't even do left

Shit scribbled over the last couple of days

>>3151987
How does it feel to be good?

>>3151988
>man I wish I was making a living off this
>I wish I had to motivation to make a living off of it
>wow that piece other people like looks terrible, better scrap it
>is this my only value in life
>how many more of these do I have to do
>oh I've got to pander to these people now
Depends on other things.

>>3151988
How good you get is directly proportional to the amount of art and the quality of practice. Pic related are photos from two old sketchbooks of mine (from about 6 years old to 14 years old). I've been drawing for about 23 years (not a fast improver), discovered /beg/ three years ago (back when artists like Firez were on /beg/), made most of my improvement in the past 5 months ago.

>drawing for 23 years
How do we leave /beg/, beginnerbros?

>>3151402
Pretty good. Now paint it.

>>3151998
>How do we leave /beg/, beginnerbros?
You don't symbol draw for years and years and years and years and years. Actually it's more like drawing for 17 years. 14 years of symbol drawing.

>>3151976
i flirt with girls on discord

>>3152014
This is true.

>>3152015
who the fuck is this? GIVE ME YOUR NAME IRL ILL HAVE YOU BANNED FROM LEAGUE OF LEGNDS

>>3151662
The nose looks fine to me, pls don't reduce yourself to the level of near-non existent anime noses

>>3152014
Where's the link so you can flirt with me?

>>3152026
im looking for an image change so im only willing to flirt with you if youre a man.

https://discord.gg/Bu8Cq9

I've been doodling since 5th grade(2009) then just stopped till the miiverse for the 3ds came out which kinda of rekindle my love for the hobby so this year i thought i would try to take drawing a bit more seriously

>>3152040
Okay.

>>3152040
>people were in 5th grade in 2009

>>3152048
Dat neuroplasticity though.

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>>3152024
Well this one is smaller than the original

hows my baby dinosaur and baby dragon?

how would you describe this piece? using principles of design and all that shit

Mindless scribbles do they look interesting or have potential too?

Rate

>>3153830
Reference

Bump

>>3153835

whats a good order to read loomis in ?