/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

How the fuck do I do this, I'm aware of the fundamentals but I still have no idea where to start fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk just kill me.

>>3145156
It's simple. Draw a circle until it's perfect. Once you can do that at will, you can move on to the second step. Have fun, it might take you over a year.

>>3145156
figure out what you wanna draw and draw that until youre good at it

thats how it goes guy

>>3145164
I can draw a circle, what's the second step

>>3145174
Are you sure? It's all rounded and not lumpy?

>>3145175
Yeah I use my shoulder like I read somewhere

>>3145176
Okay then, better not be lying or you're only going to hurt yourself in this next step. Now you have to learn how to shade and make it round like a sphere. That means soft edges only, be sure to keep a watch for the different kinds of shadows and the reflected light. Don't make it too bright or you'll kill the value range.

>>3145174
hes memeing u

>>3145156
Take this with a grain of salt, draw for fun, draw stuff that you like, comics, anime, background, buildings, do it with reference material, not imagination, at least not yet, once you realize that you can't get better just by drawing fun stuff you will make studies, read about construction, gesture, perspective, shading, all that stuff, but always try to make fun stuff, don't let yourself get burned out, as long as you don't burn out you can keep grinding and getting better

Tried doing a portrait from imagination.

>>3145220
her pupils are looking in different directions for some reason and you need to do more clean up on the hair but its pretty fine i guess.

>start drawabox
>reach the exercise with rotating all of the boxes
well damn there goes all of the fun i was having

any newfags here mind sharing with me their experiences with doing it?

what am i doing wrong?

>>3145354
angle of the face is wrong and there's not enough light on it making it look more like a creepy alien rapist than a seductive woman. also make sure that there's visible whites in the eyes, since this is what makes the gaze 'sexy' in a way; that and the smile. and make sure the eyebrows are in the correct place at the correct angle or the expression will be wrong.

>>3145372
thanks for the pointers, mate

Hi can you criticque me? My first time trying a character, aiming for realism but theres a few things to fix

>>3145405
Great job!
keep up the good work.

>>3145144
first time in more than a year of coming here that im in the OP, thanks OP

>>3145401
ayyyyy lmao

>>3144717
crits pls

is there something wrong?

>>3145543

>>3145543
Wahhhhhh make your arms shorter! Idk looks like Eugenia Cooney if that's your goal?

Not sure what kind of pictures I should be posting here.
I'm pretty new to drawing and only read through keys to drawing and fun with a pencil.
Currently reading drawing the head and hands but I'm early into it.

anyone have tutorials for blending

>>3145344
Even if you're doing the draw 100 boxes meme, you don't have to draw only boxes and nothing else until you're done. You're allowed to have fun, just make sure to take the time to learn the fundamentals too.
Make big projects that you know you can finish. Or you can start something small and just keep trying to take it to the next level.

Another try, another fail. Repeat..

>>3145590
It's not bad. Using a harder brush would help a lot, as right now it's pretty splotchy and undefined. You can always soften later.

Im learning to draw perspective grids.
Can someone please explain to me or give me some pointers about how to transfer lenght and mesurements from the horizontal plane to the vertical plane in 2 point perspective?
If I understand correctly, using the diagonal vanishing points you can make a rectangle with all equal sides ( aka a fucking square), then from there you can use dividing and multiplying to make the grid.
But How do I draw a cube with all equal sides?
How do I transfer length from horizontal lines to vertical lines?
Only way I though of was using the horizontal vanishing points.
also tell me everything wrong about my pic

Thank you anons

I never know if I'm doing this right

>>3145725
Yes I am certainly not. Forgot pic.

>>3145695
Perfect perspective is truly an autistic endeavor.

>>3145695
>tfw realize Erik Olson was teaching this but fell asleep during the lesson and didn't catch it

>>3145695
I honestly forget if using angles wasn't precise enough or not, but since it's 2pt perspective and all your vertical lines are straight, it would just be the same length as the horizontal line. So just draw a 45 degree line from the corners like you did.

>keep finding artists I follow in places I'd never imagine
>get to see their stash
the world is so small man

>>3145759
The art world is especially small because being an artist actually requires work.

>>3145144
A Pandaren Monk

I know /ic/ is meant for like painting and drawing, but I don't know where to put this and I want actual feedback for my youtube videos. There's subs for this kind of thing but I don't trust ledditors. This is the most recent and probably favorite video on my channel. Hope you like it even if it's poor quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtqA755jlmA

My friend made this

>>3145843
you're shit. read the sticky and keys to drawing

>>3145410

kys

I've been using Loomis' fun with a pencil book and I've been copying the examples in the book as a way to understand what the book is teaching me. I feel like I should try me own things instead of being completely dependent on the references, any advice you could give me?

>>3145859
Re-read the book, because it's more than copying and about understanding how to put shapes together on your own. You can definitely try your own stuff, Loomis encourages it too. What kind of stuff do you like and want to draw in the future? Create those things using shapes even if it doesn't look great or perfect.

I gave up on draw a box lessons since I just only started drawing so I can draw people. I watched some youtube videos on how to draw parts of the face and had a try at bringing it together.

>trying Loomis' Fun with a Pencil
>tells me to visualize the shapes of cheeks, nose, etc.
>I have 0 visualization capability
>can draw the circle for the cheek but zero fucking clue where to draw in the lines at any perspective
>my circles are barely even circular

why is it that nobody reads the sticky anymore?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

Anyone happen to have any references they could post? Ideally high res with face/eyes because I need HELP

>>3145862
I like listening to music a lot and something that I would really love to do is to be able to draw images from imagination based off of the lyrics and the music. A couple artists that inspire me to draw are Hirohiko Araki and Roger Dean because I love the look of their work. I want to work become just as good, if not better than them. I also want to able to express myself creatively and draw whatever comes to mind and make it look good. Here's something that I just made up as I went along.

>>3145898
To be fair, it's kind of shit. I reread it and apparently it doesn't explain everything and just tells you to go read books.

>>3145895
>0 visualization capability
That's why Loomis tells you to do it, so you can start working it and practicing to get it better. You think people just start at 100 visualization capability? That's not how it works.

>can draw the circle for the cheek but zero fucking clue where to draw in the lines at any perspective
Obviously, you haven't drawn enough to internalize perspective. Loomis already tells you about the sphere and how to go about it, so keep practicing.

>my circles are barely even circular
Keep working at it. If you stop, they'll forever not be circular.

>>3145890
People are one of the most complex things to draw, sure you can keep doing what you're doing, but you can't neglect the fundamentals. Draw-a-box teaches you about form and form is what makes up people, if you avoid it, you're not properly seeing and likely won't be able to draw as well. Observational drawing is okay though, so keep drawing people if you want, it just may not be very easy to do so from imagination since you lack the understanding of form and perspective. How to draw videos are very hand-holdy and you can't always rely on them, so be sure to draw on your own time too. They do give you knowledge about things you didn't know about before and that's good.

>>3145986
Yeah it's nothing that won't give eventually with enough practice, but I didn't expect it to be quite this hard (it's a literal mind block, shit goes blank). I'll keep drawing fat balding old men as per Loomis' instructions until I got it down, plus if I ever decide to get into drawing rape hentai I'll be ready. I imagine it will start getting better after ~50-100 hours of trying, possibly more.

>>3145973

It tells you which book to read. That's good enough to get started. No one is going to waste their time to hold your hand. You have to do all the work yourself. There's no tricks or shortcuts to this.

>>3145895
The whole point of Fun with pencil is to learn to draw with forms instead of symbols. This is something you develop over months, not hours.

>>3145726

You just need to take time to get the angles and proportion right before jumping into rendering.

>>3146035
The sticky's whole purpose was so people don't waste their time writing posts about the same thing over and over, it's not such a stretch to include some hand-holding in there. It only tells you which books to read, but not why or even how to apply them most of the time. It's like it was written by beginners instead of adept artists. It's vagueness implies that. Luckily, it's full of resources so it outweighs the writing. The sticky also needs to include more examples that can be related to people who would come to /ic/, mainly /a/ type of people because for some reason, whoever made the sticky really thinks people who draw anime want to draw fat balding old men as a way to get started. Horrible and needs to explain why because beginners can't into understanding the greatness of Loomis right off the bat, they lack the experience.

>>3145726

>>3146045

I followed it and it works... I don't know why people bitch about it.

Dark master of sin, now my soul is yours. Dark master, my guide, I will trace for you.

I'm a wageslave, I ain't got time for loomis and shit proper, I'll just cheat and enjoy the drama from the source finders.

>>3145734
top kek
havent seen that pic before

>>3146090
>trace
>still produce shit

Might as well kys...

>>3146107
Only through shit may the ground be fertilized and the crops grow strong.
Welp, it's not like I have time to do better, gotta go to sleep to get that corporate dick up my ass. Maybe that'll teach me some line economy, can't say I have high hopes tho.

>>3145898
It's a wall of text, no pictures, lots of stuff missing.
Not bad, but not enough to convince a beginner to dive right in.

>>3145401
>tfw you're too smart for proportions

>>3146111
why do u talk so much

are u white adn between 18-25

>>3146282
Only a male in the United states below 6'4 would type like you.

>>3145973
Sticky contributor here:
The sticky is not meant to be a self-contained guide on drawing. That would be pointless because there are already many resources out there that are well written and very helpful.

I currently do not see the point in rewriting info from other sources when I could just link to it.
However, I am open to more specific suggestions. If there really is a demand to make the sticky more self-contained, I can make an effort to do so.

The goal on this painting was to paint consistent values with a glowing effect, fail.
The design of the helmet is not very good, and I need to study drapery, fashon design and more loomis. I need a study of the subject before anything!

I try to make good edges but I'm still having troubles. The hair on the back is awful.

This is all I can see.

Please destroy my painting with critics...

>>3146290
Thank you and the others for the sticky. You are helping a lot to beginners like me.

>>3145144
How do i make my drawing looks clean /ic/ ?
My lines always seem shaky when i try to do stuff on tablet.

>>3145890
when you get a bit better i will help you a lot

>>3146325
Hello, begginer here.

I think you will find this helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knmL57Lm5Fg

Minute 6:28

>>3146325
YOU HAVE TO CUT OFF THE SIDES OF THE HEAD!

>>3146353
Not for black people apparently because it looks fine.

please redline me

Is there any hope for me? I can't draw bodies from imagination worth a damn, I just end up doodling these heads. I've never posted in a beginner thread so I figured it's time to start.

So I got a tablet cause I figured digital would be more fun, should I be learning how to draw and paint at the same time?

>>3146387
Depends on what level you're at and how much you can take. Realistically you can do whatever you want as long as you get good.

Any advice on getting colors right? I'm pretty decent at painting in black and white but when I try doing studies in color everything goes off the rails. Like when I paint faces with cool lighting I end up introducing too many different colors and everything looks muddy and sloppy. Any decent resources on this?

>>3146394
Just keep practicing and studying. There's no magic answer for color really. Getting good critique helps though. Also mastering values is crucial to getting colors right. Flawed understanding of values will always lead to flawed understanding of color.

>>3146389
What program should I use? I see sai used a lot for animu which is what I wanna do.

>>3146400
Anything is good.

rate

>>3146414
Pretty gud/beg

>finally leveling up enough to start learning how to paint, coloring, understand light, mood, etc
>decides to be a contrarian and don't use photoshop
>finds a cool tutorial with a coloring style I wanna try
>find a few free programs with decent lines
>"cool"
>but tutorial requires soft light layer
>"alright, let's find a free program with soft light layer"
>find just one but have shitty lines
>"alright then, let's do lines in one free program then use other for painting"
>tutorial also requires adjustment layer - color balance
>spend hours searching - not a single program have this feature besides photoshop
Fuck this. I'll go pirate then. Feels like cheating pirate software but I guess I have to get over it.

Sorry for the blog post, I just wanted to vent. I hate how almost everyone use photoshop.

>>3146425
Just buy Clip Studio Paint

>>3146428
Clip Studio Paint have adjustment layer - color balance? Anyway, I'll have to pirate I'm broke.

https://www.newmastersacademy.org/subscribe/

Is this worth it? I really want those head and face construction lessons.

>>3146475
Yes.

tried carving and painting a miniature guitar

>>3146519
use your own hair for the strings

I started taking a figure drawing class at uni. I'll post my drawings from the first session, and hopefully you guys can tell me what to work on. My shoulder started to become very sore and weak after the gesture warmups, so that's why the lines are so shaky.

>>3146549

>>3146550

>>3146551

>>3146553

>>3146003
kek

too lazy to put in an effort today

>>3146588
nothing will cure laziness

>>3146596
"nothing will cure laziness" accompanied by Rick and Morty fanart, you can't make this shit up.

>>3146588
For real tho my man, while it's fine to have a lazy day every once in awhile you shouldn't be using it as an excuse when you can't get something in your drawing right. If you're gonna take the time to draw you should be putting your best foot forward otherwise you're just burning yourself out with no benefit.

still tryna kill it

>>3146607
Both posts are my drawn shid but yeah what I'm trying to do at the moment is to put some gesture/energy into my poses. Perspective is pretty tough and anything I grid looks stiff and it's hard to push poses into it without using, say, design doll or referencing off sketchfab models. Maybe that's why there's so much of a push on zbrush in those fzd design notes. I guess there's also those krenz lectures I haven't watched yet for using a rubics cube for things like people's heads.

okay maybe this is better perspective shit
I just had a look at this: https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=54773928

My first time creating something using gesture lines. I tried throwing a shitload of form lines onto the screen and refining into more precise construction lines. Figured out that seems to work a little better for me.

(I was going to post the construction lines, but it looks like I've saved over them during a merge... whatever, I'm gonna post this shit anyway)

Would it be okay to start with the eyes instead of head construction with an anime drawing

>>3146672
If you're skilled enough, go for it. Construction just makes the process so much easier, especially for beginners like ourselves.

Latest work in progress-

>>3146549
>>3146550
>>3146551
>>3146553
>>3146557
these are ok. the hands and one of the back views was kind of weird but i think you have a good understanding of proportions for the most part. try to get more in depth with muscle and bones structure.

>>3145562
You're never gonna get anywhere drawing stoners like that guy

I need help on this, I know a lot of things are fucked up, but the positioning of the leg keeps triggering my autism, HALP

>>3145445
please respond

do you guys have any special personal rules about wasting paint? i use gouache and literally a plastic dinner plate as a palette and sometimes i bring the paints close together and mix them but after a while everything gets so fucking cluttered that i need to wash off the entire plate (wasting all gouache thats still on it) should i feel bad if i do this?

how the fuck do you paint a nose

>>3146746
it sort of depends on what youre trying to do. the upper leg looks like it should be forshorted, so from the knee down, everything needs to be 'shifted' 'in'. the problem with this is depending on how much of a fatass the shark is you may need to extend the leg if that makes sense

>>3146767
Im not planning on making it very fat, but I think I have to switch its perspective for the leg and ass position to work that way

>>3146769
well in that case you would just need to shift the lower leg/knee so that the line the defines the hamstring is 'overlapped' by the line that defines the calf muscle to properly represent the forshortening

im fucking up the skin colors big time. is this salvageable or nah?

>>3146808

Just placed an order for Wacom Intuos CTH-690AB-S after buyong a £30 piece of shit small huion tablet. So us the wacom good just for a hobbyist trying to gwt gud at digital art?

>>3146827
Wacom is literally the only company producing tablets that aren't shit. My small is pretty fucking small though...

I want a bigger one.

>>3146808
Great job!
keep up the good work!

>>3146808
No it's not salvageable (the proportions, colours can be fixed). If this was digital you would definitely be able to fix the colours and the proportions though.

>>3146845
cool

>>3146849
i actually fixed the porportions since i posted that. ill probably try fixing some colors in to try to make it look fleshy. it looks like this weird dull puke color right now but if it doesnt start looking better it go into trash

>>3146378
Plenty of hope ahead! Very interesting faces too!

/beg/ is getting more interesting all the time.

>>3146856
Usually I decide the colours before deciding how to tackle a work (I do digital, though, so you can imagine that it's much easier to contro.)

>>3146868
*control

What am I supposed to be studying when you goyim say do studies? How do I start doing that thing where people paint faces with grey colors

>>3146895
there arent a lot of shekels to be gained in art, are you sure you want to go down this path?

>>3146902
Yeah I'm only doing it for fun but I do want to get good.

>>3146665
not_popfull/10

Who is aguri and does this guide actually work https://track4.mixtape.moe/dyiars.pdf

>>3146905
>What am I supposed to be studying when you goyim say do studies?
you pic an aspect of the fundamentals youre specifically trying to improve and focus on this while making a copy of something you see from a ref pic/real life

if you're drawing a portrait you could be 'studying' anything from basic proportions, construction, finer details like capturing a likeness, values, colors, etc

'studying' is basically "what am i trying to learn from this piece?"

>How do I start doing that thing where people paint faces with grey colors
read the sticky, youll need to get good at drawing first and you'll want to start with paper and pencil then move to digital later so you dont have to deal with learning a program at the same time

Working through Keys to Drawing and I am on the mechanical drawing. I have been running into an issue with proportions? Not sure what the technical term for it is. I will try to draw the outline of the largest shape while doing the blind thing and my shapes don't ever line up well. It distorts or fucks areas of the drawing but the author says not to erase but restate. My restatements usually cause even more of a mess. Should I spend more time looking at my paper or is this just something that is going to happen for a while until my hand/eye get on the same page?

>>3146665
well at least you have the gesture
everything else is abysmal thoug

>>3147013
I'm having the same issue as you. Feels like something you just have to grind out to get a feel for in terms of muscle memory.

>>3147021
Can someone explain to me how gestures work if you don't have the whole body in sight? Like what if it's cut off? This made learning gestures confusing because I hardly ever see the whole body in manga and anime or even movies. It's usually shots of the fist or waist up.

read this post >>3145445

>>3146665
Yeah, I didn't want to spend long on this, because I knew the end result was going to be poo regardless. I've only been "arting" for the past couple weeks, hence why this is in /beg/.
I really only wanted to show construction lines, but they're gone :(

Hey /beg/.
I drew up an art challenge and have no idea if it'll even remotely work for me. My current skill is bad, and I can't properly visualize in 3d or see in form, and I'm hoping along the way through drawing off reference of models that I'm going to break on through to the 3d side through sheer bruteforce alone.
I'm asking because I don't want to get 50% in, see no improvement, and get uninspired to do art forever.

>>3147044
>I'm asking because I don't want to get 50% in, see no improvement, and get uninspired to do art forever.
Kek, that's your own damn fault if it happens. If you can't even properly visualize in 3D or see in form then you should work on that first along with drawing from references/life.

so im a draftsman and i dont think i intend to be a painter however people told me in order to understand shading i need to have the fundamentals of painting. so thats what the attempt on the left is. am i on the right track with that? what do i need to learn? crits pls

Do doujin artists even use reference.

>>3147068
Obviously, every mangaka uses references because they don't have time to be wasting trying to be KJG.

>>3146338
Thanks i'll try it

>>3146618

the eyes need some smoothing, look at how the eyelids and the fat above the eyelid smooths anfd curves around the eyeball, you have sharpish lines, smoothing will make it more feminine i guess

i feel like you dont understand the shape of her nose fully, maybe look a nose anaotmy and construct it better to shade it better

the left side of her lip also sags too much giving the impression of a half pout, if you look at the reference there is less indication of pouting

if you want to get a feel of the forms just redline the reference image showing all the 3d shapes of her neck, shoulder and collarbone

but overall really nice!

>>3146945
Aguri is a cute smug cartoon character and the guide actually works.

>>3146338
>that trash video

>>3147054
crits please

>try mischief
>huh the brushes feel nice but it's missing something and it reminds me of another program
>try sketchbook pro
>oh my god it feels just like paper
I finally find love, /beg/.

>>3145144
where do you guys draw?
when i do it at home i do a piss poor job because there are too many distractions
but i cant go in public to do it either because i suck

>>3147272
this one's better. you're already thinking in light and volume
great actually
just keep grinding it out, you'll get there in no time

>>3147272
>>3147469
i also mean to add
maybe you can work on being more accurate with the limbs

>>3146596

You should slap yourself for posting that shit on the internet.

>started drawing again and thought I would be too out of shape
>my muscle memory is still active for that little bit I practiced years ago

Never give up.

>>3147578
all of a sudden after getting better i realise that most mangaka cant draw for shit

>>3147594
Pic not related, right?

>>3147594

It's manga. Depends on if it's weekly or monthly bad drawing is inevitable.

Question: if my end game is pen and ink comics, when should I start working on the actual construction of comic pages? Concurrently with beginner stuff, or later on?

>>3147653
When you can actually draw well

>>3147659
To clarify, I mean when should I develop the skill set of comic composition, not when should I try and create actual comics. You think starting too early would be detrimental?

i'm never gonna make it haha..

>>3147681
Not with that attitude you're not!

Okay so I tried my own sketches of heads while going through Loomis' fun with a pencil and I could use some constructive criticism

What's the best way to apply and practice the construction you learned with Hampton/Loomis on actual references?
Do you guys try to find the landmarks or something?

>>3147518
Now I'm just going to draw more low effort Rick and Mortys.

aAAAAAAA

drawing boxes in perspective is hard

>>3147258
thanx my man.. can always count on u

>>3147905
iktf bro

How I get good at drawing from imagination?

>>3147980
Get good at drawing first

>>3147980
Draw a circle, then draw a circle partially covering it. Then erase the part of the circle that's inside the other circle. You have now mastered giving the illusion of depth. Now do this with as much circles as you want to build figures. Not a shitpost.

>>3148008
This is unironically true.

How do people know exactly where to draw everything?

Like if you draw a face how do you know where to place the eyes so that they look correct?

>>3148017
It's called memorization. You know that thing you're supposed to do throughout school but always crammed? Yeah, you can't cram anymore and have to actually put in the work to study and memorize them as well as refresh your memory from time to time.

>>3148021
So you have to memorize the right place for the facial features for each angle that the face is drawn at?

>>3148027
Yeah, don't worry too much about the amount of information to take in. You won't actually have to know all of it, you can still get by and make amazing drawings regardless.

>>3145144
Please anons critics, beg here. How can I improve my weaknesses?

I need to study more loomis. Planes of the face.
Fashon design.
Caracterization
Anatomy.

How can I make good rendering with not nasty patches? Using big brushes? or being care full?.

>>3148029
Okay, thanks anon!

>>3145144
This is something I did in flockmod, so not using the best tools for the job.
http://flockmod.com/
What could I improve about this?

>>3148052
Learn how to properly apply light and shadow. Learn about color theory and what looks good. Learn about composition. Look at other pony art and see what they did right.

>>3148052
Learn pony anatomy (equivalent of pony loomis) and copy the drawings of your favourite artists (master studies)

>>3148056
What's off about the shading?
Keep in mind that this is diffuse light, and I forgot a shadow.

>>3148058
>pony loomis
hahahaha holy shit wtf

>>3148071
Animals are exactly the same shit as people but you have to worry about more fucking legs.

>>3148071
I think he meant I should study horse anatomy.
Not the degenerate trash that is mlp.
Frankly I don't like Loomis because of the one drawing in his books where the shoulders are exaggerated for female proportions.
I do see where he was coming from with the anatomy.

>>3148075
I find this chart a little better in terms of proportion.

>>3148075
>>3148080
>tfw they're exactly the same proportions but one has them spreading out their arms

>>3148082
Hips are wider m8t.
Better be trolling.

>>3148075
Holy fuck Loomis must have been into female football. She's got linebacker shoulders.

>>3148075
>I think he meant I should study horse anatomy.
Yes that is correct, before a person draws cartoons they should study actual human bodies and before a person draws MLP they should study actual horses.

/ic/ newfag here. This is my first ever portrait study that I did in about 30 minutes. I did the exercises in "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and I'm just starting on the organic shapes exercise on drawabox. I see that there's still much to improve on, so please tear into it.

>>3148096
You should not post these types of things for critiques and you should keep drawing until you're better. There's nothing to say except keep drawing because it completely sucks ass.

>>3145890
Learn proportions - in general I mean. Measure things against each other. Seriously. That will help alot. Eyes are way too big. your character's lips are too low leaving little area for the chin.
Those are only the biggest problems.

>>3148103
Alright, so I should probably get through Loomis before really trying on these.

>>3148119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKanfGxf3M

>>3148096
thirty mInutes is way to short of time to accomplish anything as a begginer. dont be afraid to erase mistakes. I suggest redrawing the same image on a later date but spending more time on it, like a month later.(spend two or more hours on the redraw) Keep this drawing so you can see your improvements when you compare later. but youll have to draw regularly and gradually build up your routine, thats what practice is all about.

Working through Figure Drawings by Michael Hampton and I'm pretty held up at skulls here. Anyone got any good resources for studying different skulls/angles/shapes? Kinda feel like I'm getting nowhere just copying what he does.

>>3148096
at least you're on pencil and paper. honestly at this point human faces will do nothing for you, just stick to still lives for 2-3 months as they teach you the most (because they're simple) about things like measuring and value that you'll apply to everything art related

>>3148121
BASED TABLETMAN

>>3148157
Someone had to say it.

hey /beg/ I have a lot of fun doing sketches and scribbles on digital but I rarely get past that stage while retaining the natural look that a sketch has
I suppose its because I see the lines I want to see in messy sketches and not emphasizing them in cleaner linework but anyway is there a resource or method for cleaning up work in order to progress

>>3148185
You should PM TheGoldenSmurf for some help. You draw almost like him and he's able to clean quite well.

>>3148186
>PM
where, would he even consider it, and whats "quite well"

>>3148193
DeviantArt, Pixiv or Tumblr are his to go's, you can check out his art there while you're at it to see what I mean.

>>3148185
First off I would recommend you scale up your sketch to a high resolution and find a pen
with pressure settings you really like if you want to make a linework.
What you have now is fine for digital painting but not other styles that focus on outlines.

I've found the best way to improve linework is to find an illustration you like and get really close and study the lines/draw them yourself. Good linework is all about a line that shows gesture, form and shading through the lines direction and thickness just always think about how your line will describe those every time you make a new line. All you can read from the linework in your sketches is the form and shapes, which is normal for a sketch/construction.

>>3148203
>What you have now is fine for digital painting
I'd like to do that too but all I know is "lay flats, add tones for 200 hours and it should look good"
any good resource on painting?

How's this? It's Guzma from Pokemon Sun and Moon

Here's a bit of something I drew the other day. Not quite happy with the way I did the effects for her hair though

I don't like how the arm's resting on the hip, I can't find any references in this exact angle, so I can't figure why it looks so wonky

Can I get some help, maybe red lines?

I thought this guy looked kind of funny -- he seemed like he'd have a quote on his lips. Should I have made the hair look more natural?

>>3148272
You need to relearn anatomy (especially the hands and the relationship of the arm to the body). Are you drawing the body first or the clothing?

Grind out nude poses from quickposes.com until you are comfortable drawing bodies and then draw a shitton of hands once you are comfortable with that and then work on getting more movement into your drawings and then work on perspective like all the best pokemon artists.

Guzma has a 3D model ripped from Sun and Moon which means you should acquire a copy of his model, import it into something like Blender and tilt his head and body around as a reference when you are doing hard poses. Never draw without a pose reference (nude photograph preferred) as it will lead to a boring standing pose.

should i do keys to drawing and fun with a pencil together? Or is it better to just stick with the former

anyone?

>mfw I realize the /beg/ thread is nothing but humble brags and fundamental mistakes which are expected of beginners and which can be fixed with time and the books on the sticky.

Why?

>>3148403

>>3148403
>>3148406
holy shit nvm, now i see xD

>>3148406
thats a really long dong

>>3145144
I tried to do a paint-over because 1) I am a thirsty bastard, and 2) Lighting and color are pre-chosen for me so all I have to worry about is value and form.

are there any benefits to using a painters wheel in photoshop vs the standard color tool?

>>3144717
crits pls

>>3148468
>1) I am a thirsty bastard
Do you like orcs, or were you referring to something else?

crtitic plz

Help me

>>3148096
It would help us more to give critic if you posted a few more studies at the same time so we could give proper critic on recurring issues. The eyes are too big, the ear is gigantic, the lip is asymmetric and overall you could be more precise with your perspective and ellipses.

>>3148272
the thick outline is too distracting. the design overall is not too bad though.

>>3148311
Aside from the form issues, it looks too angular to be appealing to me. Looks like paper cut outs

>>3148313
Keep practicing with more emphasis on simple forms like a cube for the pelvis and rib cage. and as a rule of thumb try not to hide the hands and feet.

>>3148316
Pls resize. interesting subject matter. The outline is too thick.

>>3148539
It looks quite nice so far as a sketch, there is not enough contrast for it to be considered finished though. The proportions look good enough to carry on.

>>3148541
pls resize

I hate drawing. I'm too retarded/impatient/lazy/undisciplined to learn. Fuck everything. I wish I could slit my fucking wrists.

>>3148551
Ahhh sorry, I am retarded.

>>3148500
I wasn't referencing anything other than my attraction to the subject.

So Im fumbling my way through pretty much my first drawing and I'm a bit stuck. Im drawing Tougou Mimori, a girl with long black hair throwing a ball and I'm having a hard time understanding where the hair would flow. Maybe because my proportions and angles are off.

My only motivation to actually start drawing is that I enjoy the source series a lot, so I want to finish it now instead of a few months later when I'll know more fundamentals (or any I guess)

>>3148626
Tougou

Does anyone practice life drawing/fundamentals digitally?

Any pros/cons you've observed?

I've always used pencil and paper but I'm buying my first tablet and curious if it's useful for exercises and studies.

>>3148468
plscrit
nottrolling

>>3148490
I gave you critique a while back, but you shrugged off my suggestions.

I think you should study from life/reference. Your proportions are very off and your heads look wrinkly and ugly.

>>3148626
what a fucking retard

>>3148657
i did use reference for these from https://sketchfab.com/alexdubnoff/collections/classic-busts

how are the proportions wrong? which ones?

Just a few sketches, what am I doing wrong?

>>3148468
>>3148650
Well you did a decent job but it's a shame you worked from a shitty low quality photo. Also what are you trying to achieve with that?

>>3148313
Next time, you yourself as reference if you don't know how to draw something in a certain angle

>>3148670
Care to explain

>>3148646
You lose about 50% of your accuracy from traditional and that's about it. You can regain it back though through using digital more and getting adept.

>>3148676
The face looks quite alright. It's often better if you hint at a neck instead of a floating head. don't shy away from hands and faces when doing the full figure because they are the most expressive and interesting parts. You might want to try working on a bigger page for that. like a4 or a3 for each drawing.

>>3145734
fuck I forgot I had to learn that in engineering design class.

literally freehanding it and just adding the lines after is easier. take it from an engineering student, it tends to look better without all the perspective lines mumbo jumbo

>>3148689
Well obviously, anon, we already know that because of FZD students who have even more lines than that. They plot like hundreds of lines before cleaning it up.

>>3145734
Wtf

>>3148673
Be careful with using those as reference. The fov is too narrow and distorts things.
Those are also sculptures and not real people.

You keep adding all these details, but you struggle with just getting the basic forms down.

draw these:
http://orig09.deviantart.net/13bb/f/2012/096/6/6/head_references_by_snuvi-d4v6vc0.jpg

For proportions:
The eyes are way too small. There should be about an eye's width between each eye.

You are using a sphere to construct the head, but you make it way too big to be useful in construction. The sphere is only for the top of the head to the bottom of the nose. the jaw should not be significantly smaller than the sphere.

I will show you how to properly draw from reference as well in a sec.

>>3148468
Awesome. Do more men like this, they're just my type. Add hard ons bulging out their shorts.

>>3148737

>>3148683
Thanks for the detailed response! I definitely see where you are coming from with all this.

Drawing bigger is something I definitely need to work on, these drawings are just tiny on account of being in the little pocket sketchbook I bring with me to work and such.

>>3148776
Well of course you need opportunities to work on a big canvas and it's neither easy nor very practical. But a teacher of mine once told me that bigger drawings will make your smaller drawings richer and I found that to be very true. There's also a right scale for everything. You will never be able to make detailed portraits or hands on a canvas that's too small or with a tool that's not appropriate.

>>3148763
but thats completely detatched from the loomis method of head construction
>eyes too small
thanks, will try and fix
>large sphere
to my understanding i am doing the construction correctly, what do you mean by this and what flaw do you see?

>>3148678
Amazing, thanks! I knew it was something about the angle of the arm and the curve of the spine that was tripping me up, but I just couldn't imagine it and put it on paper

>>3146430
get krita u dipshit

figure drawing sess. I really dont like the last one

I was hoping to get some critique on this WoW picture I drew for a friend. I think I did everything I could but overall I'm not very satisfied with it.

>>3148812
The armour and shield are rendered well for /beg/-tier, try playing with lower saturations - a better sense of what colours to use should come naturally through doing studies

>>3148677
As close to real as possible. Unfortunately there aren't that many high quality photos of him showing his armpits since he posts to Instagram and this was a screenshot of a video of him doing incline presses.

>>3148753
Ew no.

No ref and it shows. Still, crit would be greatly appreciated. Also how the fuck do I do her other eye.

>>3148812

flat

>>3148901
You'll paint a big guy shirtless but you won't give him a pokey? What's wrong with you?

im just not getting it
you know how some people are retarded about learning math? can people be retarded about learning art

>>3148903
speaking as an orc, shes butiful

Wow there's a lot of poor quality shit in this thread, worse than usual. It gives me hope.

>>3145809
>>/p/ find a videography thread.

oogoo anime san ~~

>>3148932
dudeeeeeee draw a circle then 2 crossed sticks

>>3148951
>not tracing
nvgmi

>>3148951
what on earth is this

>>3148964
?

Who here is /suffer/? I can't even stand to look at a canvas anymore because I'm a broken man. Everything is just bland or painful to endure.

>>3148966

The point is to create not copy. We already have tools for that.

>>3148974
Hahahaha

>>3148969
oy vey

>>3148974
how about this: every time you want to make a shitpost you have to spend 5 minutes drawings something

youll become good in no time

>>3148982
>>3148984
>Existential Suffering is shitposting.
I guess everything has to be on-topic all the time.

>>3148974
nobody cares, go to r9k

>>3148990
No fun allowed

>>3148974
did you know being a whiny little bitch is a sin?

its called despair

>>3148995
shit, what should I do? I'm thinking of doing drugs, but don't know where to start.

>>3148998
>doing drugs
heres a little life hack, instead of seeking highs, seek lows. smoking weed everyday will make you life when you arent high seem shitty by comparison, instead do the opposite and seek voluntary discomfort. a 30 minute bus ride to work doesn't seem so bad after an ice cold shower at 6 in the morning.

also don't do things that make you feel good, do things that make you productive. people confuse happiness with short lived ecstasy. happiness is actually derived from your satisfaction in your life, ie. how much work you have done. i've never regretted working hard for something, even if that hard work amounted to nothing, have you?

>>3149008
yea, I've worked hard. It's just it never gave me any acclamation from my peers. I just want to feel like I achieved something. And I really haven't felt that power from someone saying, "Wow your pretty good", and I just feel inadequate.

>>3149010
>I just want to feel like I achieved something.
That is totally an internal process. What other people say or think about you should have no affect on how you feel about yourself or what you have done.

>>3149020
I see your point, I'm just really introverted and would love to make friends. But, I've had a history of bad relationships with people that didn't go well because of a reason.
I just wish I could have a friendship that didn't turn to shit. Maybe that's why this frustration is stemming from.
Loneliness.

>>3148008
>>3147980
>this much effort to draw without reference
just draw shit from imagination nigga
like just put the pencil on the paper and draw things lmao

>>3148539
Looks really good as it is, Anon. No errors stand out at all, but that might be because it's such a simple and short drawing. You could post something bigger and more intricate next time.

>>3148737
Not him, but thanks for the advice, Anon.

>>3148539
The cranium looks too small and it isn't possible to crane your neck that much. Very neat lines though.

can you guys post your drawings please

Where should I go from Fun With a Pencil?

>>3149126
outside

>>3148928
Toss up between a) I reserve my cock detailing to pieces that will give me furbux, and b) I don't want to lewd this guy because I kind of respect him even though I really shouldn't. Just not enough to render him shirtless so I can "see" his nipples.

>>3148938
Do orcs say thanks by saying thanks or punching the recipient in the face? I like to think the latter.

>>3149076
Check the angle of his chin/lips.

Do I really need to go outside and draw shit. Are you fucking kidding me.

Practicing on shading
Any tips or crits are aprecciated

I've been practicing some faces, and I'd just like some guidance as to what specifically I should do to improve them.

>>3149263
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>>3149268
push harder get some real blackness where its dark

draw bigger not some three centimeter doodles

and start trying. these are doodles and they are also shit have you been drawing for more than a day? put some effort in and maybe youll start learning

>>3149289
Is this better?

Why is it impossible to draw a straight line digitally.

>>3149299
Don't rely on just the wrist to draw lines, use your elbow/shoulder more.

Also might be that your Tablet is too small.

>>3149297
yes

>>3149308
I have the huion 1060 it's not that small but holy fuck straight lines going down or up are impossible for me. I can do a circle though and lines across decently.

>>3149299
You're a /beg/. Git gud and you too can draw straight lines on digital.

>>3149311
I feel your pain. Usually I just flip the screen and draw in a more confortable position for me.

>>3149332
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>>3149332

>>3149332
>>3149332
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>>3149332
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>>3149334
what is the point of this? why do you keep posting scratchy sketches that took you five minutes? what are you learning from this?

>>3149341
proportion

>>3149341
I don't think being scratchy with the first sketch really matters, you're gonna go over it with a pen anyways.

can you criticque my baby dragon and baby dinosaur?