/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

New guy here. Do I start with Draw a Box or Keys to drawing? This sticky and the official one are conflicting.

>>3141981
Both of them at the same time. Draw a Box is meant as a supplement in accordance with your main book of Keys to Drawing. Alternatively, Perspective Made Easy can be picked up too as a third book.

I have no fucking idea what im doing. I blocked in some basic stuff but my mind goes blank as to what i do next. Haven't drawn in years. Haven't even shaded anything in 3 years or colored anything in 6.

I'm not concerned about anatomy or accuracy. I just want to focus my session on actually rendering something for a change.

I hate drawing. I wish I never started. It's pointless to try, I'm just going to be shit no matter what. My life is a joke and I wish I was dead.

>>3142011
I feel the same way, but I'm not gonna give up. Wanna be friends anon? Maybe you need some encouragement.

>>3142011
your tears are my lube

>>3141988
if your mind is coming to a blank, then use a mirror or reference to inspire you to add some details

>>3142036
I guess I should just scrap it for later and do a study.

What style do you find the hardest to imitate?

I'm pretty good at copying almost all animations and the majority of manga but for the life of me I can not figure out how Araki draws his manga

It's completely nonsensical
I've done over 100 different copies of his style and almost all of them look god awful, the proportions are all over the place

How the fuck does he do it?
How does he make stuff look this good while being so devoid of reason

>>3142059
Post your work

How's my improvement, guys?
I didn't draw much between 2014 up until august this year - although I'm sure that's pretty obvious.

>>3141973
I was going for style over substance here. I know theres very little detail it was really about capturing mystery... looking for more color/composition advice

>>3142059
30 years, 10 of wich he copied hokuto no ken, then he jerked off while looking at european statues and fashion magazines for 20 years

>>3142129
youve come on really well. the recent stuff is really nice id keep going down that road. try getting some work finished completely so youve got something to show off

scuffed

>>3142129
Why did you stop doing Dynamic Sketching

how did I do

>>3142230
what made you want to draw that? its good but just why

>>3142218
nice looks like you went a bit hard on the blending be more confident and use some different brushes

>>3142218
>maximum volume

>>3142235
I wanted to pop a boner while drawing

>>3142235
>>3142252

Also it helped me understand some things
>>3136250

>>3141988
This is fine as a starting point.
Try slowly incorporating more and more planes into your visual memory and adding in subtle shifts in value for the planes.

how's this looking so far? I don't really have a reference to work off since i'm doing this for a thread with a proposed scenario (that of a girl pushing a guy onto a bed.)

how is this face

>>3142389
Really good. Nice work.

>>3142401
please specifically list its merits

>>3142389
scratchy unconfident lines, symbol contour drawing

>>3142402
Do you draw for pleasure or validation?

You are doing a great job. Keep it up.

how do i know if im ready to move on after i finish keys to drawing

>>3142389
You've already been given pointers on your faces. How about you take that feedback to heart...

Notice how you draw less eyelashes on the bottom eyelid now? That was through observing a reference photo. Seek out more references and observe them to give your portrait more life. If you're going for something more stylized, then observe stylized artworks that you love. You need to do WAY MORE observation.

>>3142218
I suggest doing black and white / monochrome studies to get good at getting values right first. Color will be easier then.

>>3142430
The proportions are pretty off too around her hair. So maybe even do some drawing studies before black and white painting studies.

>>3142430
>>3142432
Yes, thank you. This was actually one of the first studies I've done in color so I'm new to it, almosst 100% of my stuff is b/w still.

>>3142389
clean your lines and ill red ya.

>>3142458
okay is this better?

>>3142407
why cant i do both.

>>3142403
sorry i erased and redrew some of the sloppier areas

>>3142424
yeah a lack of a visual library is a huge weakness of mine

>>3142439
how do your finished b/w pieces and drawings look?

>>3142495
Like this. bottom right is a study, like 3 months ago because i haven't done studies since then..

Any constructive criticism? Note this is a doodle for my girlfriend

>>3142489
here you go, kiddo

Why the fuck am I so scared of failing a process that you literally can't fail? Like, you can't win drawing and I am paralyzed by that. This sucks.

>>3142536
Because you're stuck in the success/failure mindset. You haven't drawn a lot, so you subconsciously believe that whatever you draw has to be THE drawing.
The only cure is to draw more. When you've done 500 drawings, suddenly each individual one doesn't seem to matter as much anymore.

>>3142536
Draw the worst thing you can think of. Draw 10 worst things you can think of. Go. Share them. Make us intentionally vomit. It will be easier after that.

>>3142543
True, but you can still feel somewhat insecure even after a great creative track record. People like George RR Martin, or Thom Yorke have days where they think they're just a sham and a failure. You gotta push through those days and get out of your head.

>>3142219
Is that the drawings with the bugs? I guess I just forgot about it, I only drew sporadically that year.

>>3142522
thats anime nosebro, i dont care about anime

Should reading art books count towards my daily allotted time for "doing art?"
Like, if I schedule myself to practice painting for 6 hours a day, should I spend any of that time reading, or should I save the bulk of the reading for my "off" hours?

>>3142559
What a stupid question
If you're not drawing you're not drawing. Watching tutorials and reading books doesn't count.

>>3142561
Yeah, I guess I should have come to that conclusion myself. I guess my brain is still stuck in its old procrastinator habits and trying to find excuses to spend less time working.
Thanks for replying despite the stupidity of the question.

>>3142561
similar but hopefully less retarded question. say youre painting a landscape and in a continuous 2 hour session you paint you spend say 20-30 min broken up throughout the session looking up and studying refs for different textures and such. then what?

Started drawing a month ago. Have filled a sketchbook since then. The improvement is pretty noticeable. Plan to start on second sketchbook and fill that one up.

I'm still shit though

>finally learn something
>try it again few days later en masse
>spend an afternoon in frustration
>forget how to do that thing I learned
>cry, sleep, try again today
>look back at notes I wrote on the day I learned that thing
>oooooh...I'm retarded
always write notes, anons

rip

How are these for 60 second poses? (i used quickposes)

How's my 10 minute pose? I'm still new to figure drawing, so I wasn't able to capture the pose skillfully, for lack of a better word.
Is there any specific weakness I should work on?

>>3142389
you get the exact same response every time. it wont change no matter how many times you post your identical symbols

>>3142516
you arent /beg/

Anatomy is all wrong, fix it please.

>>3142798
Explain to me. Why do western artists and also the western audience like this kind of rendering? It's vastly inferior to the east.

>>3142801

well, because white people cant draw, I am white and I have no idea what I am doing. I also fap to Lalaloopsy, you just cant make that shit up.

>>3142801
we have fallen so far

>>3142768
show me a good example of drawing, that's intended to be painted, that doesn't have symbol drawing

>>3142849
Not that guy, but this is the sketch layer from one of my own paintings.

>>3142853
how the balls is my drawing symbol drawing but yours isnt?

am i getting memed

>>3142860
if you honestly cant tell then you need to re-read the sticky

>>3142860
Read the sticky men

hi, how is my painting going? been watching that Sinix guy. are his videos a reliable way to learn?

>>3142889
Why wouldn't they be?

>>3142877
>>3142880
>There are various stages of being a beginner.

>Does your work look like the example here (or worse)? Then you suffer from symbol drawing. This means you draw your idea of reality instead of what's actually there.

>To cure your symbol drawing, you need a different view of the world around you. Instead of drawing what you know, start drawing values, shapes and shadows. For example, while before you might have drawn an eye, now draw this abstract combination of dark and light areas.

>Learning to copy is the most basic skill an artist needs. This is the first step towards analyzing references and other art to improve your own work.

you mean that shit?

yeah, nah, we have about the same level of detail in each of our drawings, and not to brag but mine probably has more considering i have more defined masses of hair while pic above has literally ONE LINE and some light chicken straching to define the general flow (no bully)

>lips have same amount of effort and definition
>eyes have same amount of effort and definition
oh wait my actually have more since ive defined the upper eyelid and show the inner lip of the lower lid. and the pupils
>okay he wins the nose game
>i win at ears
>i win at eyebrows

im sorry but im truly not seeing this 'symbol drawing' dilemma i seem to have, especially if that passes and mine doesnt (no bully)

>>3142906
I'm curious. Post something you think is good that's not your own work.

>>3142911
i think we both know what 'good' work is. and im pretty sure pic related ISNT necessary for a good painting. a simple outline will suffice for a painting. there's no need to get into value work at the drawing stage when its going to get painted over anyways

>>3142906
Men, calm down, this isn't an attack so relax, when we say read the sticky is not because you draw is wrong, but you need some real-autocritisim, and the sticky is way more longer than that by the way, the simbol drawing that we can see is in your draw's eyes for example; stop drawing eyes and start drawing lines.
Only study and practice makes you better, and comparation is only a bad thing for you, more if you are in that autodefense mode.

>>3142914
Invalid response. Try again.

>>3142914
Wat

>>3142917
do you have a drawing thats intended to become a painting that isnt symbol drawn for reference?

>>3142923
>>3142927
okay well what do you guys think a drawing that will become a painting should look like.

im going to bed after i post this

>>3142906
It's not about how defined it is, it's about the shapes. What you're drawing is basically your mental representation of an eye, instead of a carefully considered reconstruction.
Don't draw the shape of an eye. For lack of a better way to put it, draw an eye. And I mean actually draw an eye - find a reference, take a photo of your own eye, and copy it as exactly as you can. Intimately know the various forms and draw accordingly.

Do anyone know any good resources on how2hair? I'm tired of drawing bald heads but I can't for my life understand where does the hair connect to the head, or how to draw if, for that matter.

>>3142943
proko and look up old sculptures, it helps you see the hair in forms.

>>3142943
dont waste your time with proko , just think in 3D

>>3142905
could be a bad way to learn. Like reading a book full of incorrect information or something.

>>3142955
That doesn't help, anon. I do not see how could that help when the problem is the lack of understanding of the physics and connections between head-hair.

>>3142914
look at her right eye

>>3142955
"Just be good"
Haha ok

>>3142943
Here, friend, this should get you started.
https://youtu.be/-SYIPBS2F0k

It's no master thesis or anything, but it should at least get you properly introduced to a way of thinking about hair.

>>3142946
>>3142975
>27 minutes long
Thank, you anons, I'll check them out later after I finish some Scott Robertson stuff.

i don't understand the gripe between symbol drawing vs shading the lineart to make it look as 3d as possible before painting over. why does it matter as long as the painted end result looks how it's supposed to?

>>3142996
Because a polished turd is still a turd.

>>3143003
that painting isn't a turd by any means. this is /beg/, no one's aiming to paint masterpieces right off the bat, just shit that looks decent

>>3143005
Exactly

>>3142996

At some point the artist transform, warp and liquify the shit out of it. The kind of process that I want to avoid.

>>3143017
This, never do this bullshit. It's hurting you more than you think.

>>3142996

I don't think you want under what symbol drawing is. Drawing symbol is not the same as symbol drawing.

Symbol drawing means you have no control over it because of your lack of practice, experience and knowledge.

The early sketches of most artist does look symbols but that is just part of the process. Make the sketches as simple as possible to act as a placeholder and getting the basic structure right before diving into rendering.

>>3142624
symbol drawing

do more betty edwards

>>3142624
Thanks for that nice reference image.

Does anyone have any idea how to capture her likeness more accurately?

>>3142261
Thanks. I've been using that picture all wrong. I never thought to use it on blocking. I also tried blocking in the nose, switching shading each face but that's just fucking retarded and tedious. Maybe I'm supposed to be blocking vertically, then creating different layers and blocking horizontally.

Anyone here have experience in colored pencil im using prismacolor premier pencils how do I get my colors to have more depth?

>>3143076
By going darker and having a bigger value range.

Can anyone find me a reference for how big the eyeballs are compared to the socket?

well?

Please criticize m8s

I have the possibility of participating in an online mentorship (3 months, 6h/week) with an artist for 300€ (360$). Is it worth ?

portfolio : https://www.axelseed.com/

>>3143102
Of course.

>>3143077
I think its lookin a lil better thank you anon.

Please crit m8s

>>3143098
guess

How is this?

>>3142522
not me but lmao

>>3143112
no i hate this game

>>3143117
It's dangerous to go alone! Take this Reddit Gold.

*upvotes in your direction*

Crit appreciated

>>3143101
>>3143111
>>3143130
why do you keep deleting and reposting

>>3143119
not me

>>3143132

I poste d wrong one, twice

Dang it I messed up Anthony Hopkin's face too much. Gonna have to start all over :(

>>3142262
anyone?

Am I making the right corrections?

>>3143186
Well it doesn't look worse

>>3143102

Learning from a mentor is one of the best way and the fastest way to learn. Provided he/she is a good artist and a good teacher.

>>3143196
Any advice on how to find a good mentor and/or get them/someone to help you online? There aren't a lot of other artists in my local community that I can talk to.

>>3143204
Why do you need a mentor? Either go to college or read a book.

>>3143186
loomis was a mistake

>>3143209
I can't afford college, and book reading is only worth so much without any kind of guidance.
It's not that I need a mentor, so much as I would like one. I feel like I could have a much easier time knowing what I should work on and how that way.
Or maybe I'm just making excuses, and I really should be able to teach myself everything without help.

>>3143211
I tend to agree, but it's the most accessible resource that I'm aware of. What would be your alternative?

>>3143123
practice gesture, figures, anatomy, linework, rendering, construction, observation, heads, features, 3dspace, composition.

>>3143204

Well, you can reach out to artist on social media, reddit and in some forum/site made by an artist.

Some artist on twitch have their own community where they teach and crit each other.

CrimsonDaggers forum have a subforum for this. I don't know if it's active though...

is there a way to add layers in photoshop to the timeline, each as an indivisual frame
I could just import the whole document into flash and then turn the layers into frames but it would be so much easier if I could it all in photoshop

>>3143260
Vanishing points are too close to each other, try to space them farther apart out of the canvas

I want to Improve anons, please destroy my drawing with real critics. Please

I'm going through keys to drawing and draw-a-box, I have big trouble doing confident/even/non-wobbling lines.

to top it of Keys to drawing says you should draw while looking at the subject simultaneous or only pause very shortly, naturally this is a lot slower pace so my lines get even worse. Any advice? I feel so stupid.

Btw, drawing from your shoulder, should you rest your hand/littlefinger on the pad, or is your hand supposed to float in the air and the only contact being your pencil?

>>3143289
Just keep practicing. Takes month and years. Doesn't matter.

why does that guy who symbol draws the same faces in the same angle get so defensive when people try to help

>>3143279
What were your goals with this drawing?

>>3143306
My goal was to test my visual knowledge in design and shadows (rendering). I can see that my drawing lacks on every subject, the rendering on the head it's just awful and I am not sure where to use loss edges succesfully. I'm no t using references but I got Inspired by Anthony Jones.

>>3143279
>>3143315
Well, your light source is inconsistent. I can't tell if it's supposed to be lit from the the front, above, or from behind. You did an otherwise passable job creating contrast though.

The forms don't seem to make sense together. It looks like you drew the torso and the head separately, then tried to connect them.

Design-wise, maybe study real anatomy before trying to get super creative. Hybridizing different species of animal might be a good exercise for you.

>>3143332

Thank you anon, your right. I was not really sure how to give the form the right value for the light source that I had (It supposed to be from the top). Do you think drawing lots of still lifes can help me? or study Scott robertson How to render.

About the forms, Lack in design right? bad shapes. I should do thumbnails before everything.

>>3142230
almost bad but its not enough to cringe at
collar bone is too low
and theres just too much fucking space on the torso
you just have alot of areas where there cant be anything on the body

>>3143299
You mean Nosebro?

Drawing on MS paint with a tablet, what can i improve on?

what are some wild tricks you guys are doing in order to get jobs in the games industry?

me? I became Jewish

>>3143434
Learning my fundamentals and gitting gud so I don't have to deal with trash.

>>3142389
Is this pic urs?
if so you really didnt learn anything at all since then?
you gotta stop symbol drawing

>>3143430
nothing to mprove on yet because you dont know what you're doing.
keep drawing.

>>3142262
>>3143182
pls help

>>3143424
thanks
I can see the collar bone is too low
I think I just made the spine too long between ribcage and pelvis when I was sketching it out or something

>>3143443
well yeah its what happens when you dont practice

Holy fuck Loomis goes from "stupid repetitive exercises" to "what the shit am I doing" really fast.

And I'm still on the heads part...

>>3143629
There's nothing that says you have to speed through the pages. Loomis's book can last you for over a year actually and even longer. It's not really an overstatement to say each page is a few weeks of work. Drawing a sphere is really important though, do work on it a lot. Going to need to do it a lot.

>>3142230
how do you make the transition from bright to dark color so smooth?

How many of you guys are red green colorblind?
Do you just memorize where certain skin colors are on the color wheel or do you just eye dropper from references?

How can i draw more fluid poses? I started focusing on drawing full body and making studies of it but i can't seem to grasp the feeling of drawing fluidly, it looks stiff as fk, i have like 3 months of drawing experience, i will keep drawing but some guidance besides the sticky would be appreciated.

Also i would like to get into coloring with markers but i know nothing about it besides that everyone uses Copic markers, are there cheaper ones that could compete or compare to Copic?

>>3143647
what you need is gesture, your drawing has non of it. look up force dynamic life drawing for animators it should help

>>3143211
>>3143236
wait what do you mean with that?

what's wrong with loomis?

back to b&w to get comfy with finally doing studies again

>>3143666
It's not so much the method as it is the instruction.
In his books, loomis emphasizes careful placement of the features (Fun With A Pencil), but never describes the actual anatomy of the face.
Even in Drawing The Head And Hands, while a good book on its own, is still insufficient for me personally. Although I could just be complaining about nothing.

For me, the key thing to take away from Loomis is construction. The most substantial thing I've gleaned from his writing is the proportions of the face, and the concept of building a drawing through structure.

Although I haven't exactly mastered it, I feel I'd benefit from more substantial material that goes more in depth with the specifics.

>>3143689
you mean you want anatomy rules or something like that?

>>3143689
You pretty much are complaining about nothing because Loomis tells you in the books that you should always reference from life.

>>3143692
More or less, yes. I feel like I don't properly understand the forms of the face, and how to produce the right shapes during the construction phase. I like to try to imagine the planes of the face, but loomis doesn't really cover that.

>>3143693
True, and I agree that life is preferable to reference, though at the moment I have to settle for reconstruction from photographs.

>try out art academy for convenient practice where i don't need to get my supplies out
>all reference images can be viewed in 3d mode
>objects pop out of the screen with true depth; everything is seen as a separate piece
>switching back to 2d shows everything blended together, as if replicating it would be a flat and unappealing result

why this is?

>>3143721
Because art based on life will always be more lifelike. The thing about flattening a 3D shape is that it loses most of its... I guess context.

When you're drawing in 2D, you're designing the shapes to look lifelike as much as you are copying what you see.

Is it harder for most people to draw from imagination versus from life/reference? I feel like that's obvious but I want someone to reassure me
I feel so much more relaxed when I start something like a portrait and the goal is to imitate a reference as closely as I can, versus taking the form of a reference and then turning it into some fictional character, even if it's not supposed to be lifelike

>>3143776
It's always harder at first. It's easier once you've spent years developing your visual library and can call on that experience when trying to invent drawings.

>>3143776
When i was a kid like 6-8 I used to play with a little chain, I don't remember how long it was, maybe 50-70cm or maybe more, but it was thin and my hands were small. I would shake it around a lot on the floor until it resembled something in my imagination, and then I would draw it, like I would take the silhoutte and fill it with something crazy, like an Elephant on a car, or the Contra characters destroying my school, etc.

I lost the chain, and didn't do it again, I became addicted to copying shit because a cousin was always better than me and I kinda wanted to beat him at drawing. And whenever I did something ugly I would get discouraged and stop drawing for some days or a long time. But I think a lot of people have that ability to make ugly doodles and not feel bad, and they draw from imagination without much effort, I think it's an ability we all have but lose it's spark at some point, and we end up rekindling it once we recover that security that we lost sometime along the way.

i draw my friend, but something is off...

How do you get past blank canvas syndrome? Why is it that I can be so inspired by other art, and know exactly what I want to draw, but then as soon as I go to make the attempt, I'm suddenly unable to?
I've drawn good things before, so what the shit is happening?

>>3142489
next time double your scale, my brush doesnt work at this scale.

i fixed it. anything wrong ?

From imagination the neck and back of skull is extremely wrong

>>3143911

>>3143875
Use a ruler or something consistent and measure the distances/angles/proportions between features on the face to eachother on the reference, and then compare to your drawing. This will tell you exactly what isn't right i.e. you can clearly see the left side of nose doesn't line up with the eye in the same way that it does in the reference photo, or that the nose you drew should definitely be wider in relation to the size of his eye (as it is in the reference). There's plenty of things but you can start there.
Don't be afraid to try again from scratch and take extra time to locate and size the features before drawing them, it might be easier than trying to fix everything

Is there something really stupid I am missing here?
I'm trying to follow loomis' method for head proportions, but I keep fucking up on things that don't make sense to me. He says that the brow line is the center of the sphere of the cranium, but just tracing over his sketches is showing him placing that line below the center. Also, I'm not sure if I'm just reading this like a retard or what but he states that halfway up or down from this line reaches the base of the nose or hairline respectively, but the distance looks way farther than that in his examples to my eyes.

I'm stuck with Dr Manhattan eyes until i figure out how to block in the eyes. It took me a whole day to make this crap because I can't find any video tutorials on how to block the face. I've been experimenting doing random crap and I don't even know if i'm following the right order, or if i even blocked the face right.

Basically what I have so far is
>make a blob
>add center line, and sketch
>pick a landmark on the face and block (where I'm at currently, stuck on eyes)
>block in cast shadows (what I think i'm supposed to do next)
>???
>finished

there's something off with the colors

>>3143922
Brow line is at top ridge of the eye socket. Hairline depends on race, age and gender.

>>3143935
Thanks but does that mean I should be placing the horizontal center line higher? lower? I'm trying to understand the proportions as they're described and illustrated in "drawing the Head and Hands.

>>3143938
It depends on the view. Slightly lower center line means the head is tilting down slightly. Slightly higher means the head is tilting up. Right in the middle means the head is facing completely straight.

>>3143935
>Hairline depends on race, age and gender.

But there is one race, the human race, and gender is a social construct. So where does it go?

>>3143951
one race but multiple ethnicitiesiesieisiei, gender but not sexxx

age is the real social construct.

>draw-a-box
>I'm really bad
>stuck making a million fucking boxes and circles
>starting to be a drag
>not really "getting" the higher order reasoning behind making all of them
Am I missing something? I feel like I am not learning anything important.

>>3143982
>fell for the draw 100 boxes meme
ouch

>>3143982
Post work.

>>3143982
do you wish you were drawing people instead? well people are made out of boxes.

>>3143982
show your drawings. It's useful but you gotta keep yourself engaged. not go zombie mind.

>>3142516
Sorry I didn't reply earlier.
I agree you are a bit better than beg. generally looking pretty cool. but you paint a bit messily/vague and skimp on certain details which prevent your pieces from being even better.

nothing to worry about. I think it comes with time. tackle one messy thing at a time.

>>3143682
put more work into her eyes and nose. when you get that right it gives your piece a massive boost, I promise. Also make the edges cleaner.

>>3143899
you know you can resize their picture...

>>3143928
proportions are looking good. values look wrong. I'd advice against using almost black like you do. only set black and white accents at the end. Use less values (e.g. 4 without black and white). just put some shit down and keep fixing problems until it's starting to look good. Squint at it or zoom out very far to verify that you've captured the overall feel. It will help you figure out the eyes too.

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Not me

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>>3142389
Real dolls look more alive than those dead eyed portraits of yours. Study some eyes my nigga.

halp, pls, something is off

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>>3144021
Why did you post this again?

>>3143989
>>3143985
Sorry for potato quality, it is what I got. This is like my 5th try on this and I still can't maintain proportions or perspective. Not to mention I can't draw a straight line to save my fucking life. I just don't get what I am supposed to be getting from this exercise to make it work correctly.

>>3144021
why did you post the same picture again

I've been drawing for 2 years now trying to get over symbol drawing but I just cant seem to get past it, my drawings look worse that that of a small child. I've been through all of keys to drawing and drawing on the right side of the brain.

What is this secret that I seem to be the only one not able to comprehend?

>>3144024
honestly don't think you should obsess over this. take a little break from draw-a-box bullshit and just maybe freehand a little bit. If you really want to wrap perspective in your head I think what's more important is not to train your hands (stop obsessing over straight lines) but train your mind in visualizing perspective. Tt\he key takeaway here is to draw planes facing the way you intend them to intuitively. It's honestly frustrating, which is why I don't think you should grind it like the way you are doing. It's more of a brain exercise not much different from learning how to do math.
If you must wrap this around your head you may want to start with a single plane, and not with a box, so as not to fry your brain.
Regarding your drawing, though, the draw-a-box lesson intends you to wrap those boxes around a sphere. What you did there isn't a sphere at all, and it's also very stiff. Seems like you didn't give it much thought (and like I mentioned before I think this exercise is about training your spatial abilities)

>downloaded photoshop
>love all the effects
>spend ten minutes dicking around
>this is a masterpiece, truly captures the feel of 1800-
>wait
I am the the cancer

>>3144077
this one is better?

im going to do gouache studies instead of practice loomis

>>3144099
here's the ref. seems like the scan changed the colors

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>>3141973
HOW do I construct eyes?
Like seriously I need help, I have no idea how to construct eyes, eyeballs and how to move them in space.
Its really fucking me up, the moment I try to draw eyes my drawings go to slow motion mode because I'm just trial and error fucking around.

>>3141973

Do you guys prefer sketching on a desktop to-down or on an easel at a soft angle like pic related?

I've got carpal tunnel and trying to figure out the most comfortable position for me to draw in.

>>3144129
Just stop iron gripping your pencil like a mongoloid.

Yeah, I know, it looks like shit. I kinda rushed and fucked up the coloring, I've already noticed that.

But any other tips/tricks would be awesome. I really wanna improve.

>>3144118
Honestly, that's how I do eyes. Fucking with them relentlessly until it looks acceptable.

I have a bitchin time trying to make sure they don't look crosseyed, however.

>>3144027
Patience

>>3143255
I wish I could find a mentor preferably on /ic/ that would tell me what to do.

Being in the baby stages I find it so hard to motivate myself or to know what and how to grind certain things.

>>3144027
post some recent doodle

>>3144162
>Waiting for motivation
You might as well quit now.

>>3144167
fuck off retard

>>3144080
Try adding some more reflective light to the skin and go deeper with shading. Otherwise, this looks pretty damn cool.

>>3144162
Just draw boxes.

>>3144162
first of all
if you can't get any motivation no matter what
just open tool and draw bunch of circle and practice line with shoulder, warm up and forcing yourself

>>3144162
By the way if anyone wants to help me get to the intermediate stage and get paid a symbolic amount you can add me on steam.

>>3144180
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012840249/

why does the email field no longer work?

>>3144180
Read keys to drawing, loomis and draw-a-box and do them for a year or two and you'll be intermediate.

>>3144182
I'm already doing all that.

Progress is uncomfortably slow though.

>>3144173
thanks! I'm having a bunch of trouble in photoshop mixing colors like I did in Sai and Krita. So I'm still a little wonky

>>3144145
But I'm sure there's an easy way to construct them.

>>3144196
No, you fucking faggot, stop looking for shortcuts.

>>3144197
But trial and error is shortcuts you dumb nigger.
Having a solid way to construct an eyeball is literally the right thing to do.

>>3144195

>>3144195
This porn is too cerebral for me.

>>3144204

Fucking around with it until you end up getting a pretty good eye is how.

It becomes easier and easier each time. I can pretty much pull eyes and noses out of my asshole now with a bit of practice.

>>3144195
That is not what a vagina looks like

>>3144196
Think of the eyeball as a sphere and understand how the eyelids wrap around the form. Don't forget that the eyelids have thickness.
The fat above the eye can affect the crease of the eyelid.
Just visualize and study this and you will be able to draw eyes.

>>3144251
post your eyes

am I doing this right /beg/?

21, never drew shit before. Consecutive practice hours have diminishing returns? I know burnout is common but is there any other reason not to slave grind daily? I want to be acceptable before I die.

>>3142798
Judging by the filename this isn't actually yours but on the off chance it is you should be doing commissions.

>>3144186
Patience

>>3144260
this is the true empirical red pill for eye drawing desu

>>3144272
Yes don't overdo it and take regular breaks to stretch.

draw something every week and slowly amp it up. it's about commitment and consistency. use yer brain and you'll get good. all this whining is caused by lazy/needy people unable to form habits and breandead zombies begging to be spoonfed every step of the way.

Ugh.. Just can`t understand expression of her face.

>>3144272
There's nothing wrong with diminishing returns to be honest. Just because you make little gains doesn't mean you should stop making gains all together. It's also possible to become good within a few years, and you can become competent with a year or two.

>>3144272

Practice 8 hours a day in total.

All 8 hours should not be just drawing. It should be a break down of learning, analyzing, and applying. 2/1/5 more or less. Stop doing mindless practice. Everything you do must be thought about before you do it. Even simple shit like superimposing lines should be a thoughtful exercise. Be mindful of your progress.

Treat your practice and progression like a full-time job. If you only draw as a hobby, then do whatever you want and disregard my advice.

>>3144272
6 hours a day is the minimum. more than 10 is probably bad.

>>3144318
we just imagining eyebrows right now? Also check your ̶p̶r̶i̶v̶i̶l̶e̶g̶e̶ eye size

>>3144318

>>3144390

>>3144390
>>3144401
How do I get as good as you?

>>3144390
style compensates for lack of observation skill
>>3144401
muh dick

>>3144403
I just drew a lot for the past 2 years, but didn't really study fundementals that often.

>>3144409
>tfw no style so have to work on observation skill

did a quick figure study. im aware the head is completely fucked. any tips?

>>3144390
blog

I wonder how you draw hands and feet when you have more time.

>>3144446
That just made me remember that one feetanon isn't here anymore.

>>3144265
are you not using construction lines?

>>3144453
Anon obviously erased it, Loomis even tells you to. If you think anon can draw that good without construction, you're crazy.

>>3141973
I'm too autistic to teach myself, where can I find guidence that doesn't suck or cost a small fortune.

>>3144456
The sticky has all the free resources you will ever need for multiple lifetimes.

>>3144457
What part of
>Too autistic to teach self
do you not get?

>>3144453
I had it on a layer I removed

>>3144460
autists are amazing at learning stuff by themselves, I think what you're trying to say is "learning disability"

>>3144460
If you can't even self teach, you ain't gonna make it. So learn to self teach yourself you lazy faggot. Get started on drawing.

>>3144456
go on youtube and you can find the video series of Drawing on the right side of the brain
I'm too autistic to teach myself and that helped me

>>3144467
>>3144466
>>3144469

>>3144460
Think on your own or watch bob ross. Your choice faggot.

>>3144470
you can do it, anyone, can
you just need discipline

>>3144446
http://yev-san.tumblr.com/
not that great, really.

>>3144470
You're probably not autistic, but the issue a lot of the time is the same methods don't work the same for all people.

Some people have a natural talent, or were raised in a family with artistic inclinations and it comes easier for them, some people have no interest in drawing but are curious as to why other can and they can't, and some have a literal mental block that prevents them from doing some of the most simple exercises and just keep drawing odd shapes.

I think the solution is to try different approaches, and don't always "obey" what some people treat as gospel. I had a teacher that told me to grab a newspaper and trace the faces of the people to learn how to draw, I didn't like that as I had been drawing for a long time already and that seemed lame, but he teached me other things and helped me fight with some bad habits and a how to perceive what's really in front of me and not what my mind is trying to impose on my hand gestures.

I'm sure for some people doing the whole tracing thing is a good starting point, it might incur some really bad habits in the future, but to get over the initial fear and start understanding how lines and trajectory work is not such a horrible start. Not everyone can stomach a year+ of doing loomis and stay motivated, just try out different things specially the ones that might feel fun for you, there's nothing wrong with copying your favorite manga/comic artist if it motivates you to draw like him. Becoming a professional artist requires a whole different and more structured path, but you don't need to worry about that until you feel happy and comfortable drawing random shit that you like.

Just finished this piece. How did I do?

>>3144493
ref

>>3144493
Not bad, not bad

>>3144475
ye. your looseness is great. many pieces look pretty wobbly though.

moar animation

How much time per day do you absolutely need to spend on drawing to get good at it? By 'good', I mean intermediate, obviously. Something slightly beyond stick figures and beginning to attain one's own style. Twenty minutes? An hour?

Let's say the person drawing is someone who's continuously struggled to get to that stage and keeps resetting their progress, which creates a cycle of discouragement. Even though life's getting busier, the desire to draw still remains.

This is not about an ideal world where one is a dedicated artist able to spend eight hours on learning to draw every single day. This is about the absolute bare minimum one can get away with in a busy schedule that has a lot of interruptions.

>>3144514
Uh maybe like 5 hours per week for 3 or so years. A really hard and kinda stupid question. Just draw as much as you can.

>>3144514
4-6 hours a day minimum

This is my firat piece of digital art . How does it look and how can I improve ? thanks

>>3144514
Only takes a year or two to get to intermediate, it's getting to pros that's the difficult part.

>>3144529
Ment to say *first*

>>3144518
So spend about an hour of drawing and/or learning to draw every day?

"Just draw as much as you can" is non-advice that leads to unfocused sketches, symbols, anger over lack of progress, and eventually the death of progress.

>>3144519
>4-6 hours a day
Out of the question, sorry.

>>3144531
How many hours per day in that year does one need to spend to draw?

>>3144456
>>3144469
holy shit autism doesn't affect your mental capacity. You idiots are just retarded, quit getting it twisted and admit it. THIS IS WHAT AUTISM LOOKS LIKE.

>>3144546
A few as 30 minutes to as much as 3 hours. Consistency is important.

>>3144549
>holy shit autism doesn't affect your mental capacity.
It does. You don't think the same way as a NT. There really need to be guides for people with autism.

>>3144546
Why are you trying so hard to assign a numerical value to skill.
Aim for 1000 hours in whatever timeframe you want. It'd be impossible to not be intermediate unless you're literally doodling

>>3144514
It's not about the "time" you invest, but about the "effective time" you get.

Imagine you're an insurance salesman, and you go door to door selling insurance all day, trying to visit as many clients as possible and you don't sell squat. But then you decide to just focus on 3 clients a day and to actually learn about their needs and what product suit their needs, and you make small talk about their family, or something recently happening, and build rapport with them and they feel like they can trust you and give you their money. So you end up selling 1-3 products or more a day with less time invested but increasing the quality of the task. It doesn't mean the 12 hours of visiting clients doesn't work, but it's usually more rewarding to be more mindful of what you're doing.

So translating this to drawing (or anything you want to improve really), if you learn to identify your shortcomings, and make up a plan, like dedicate one or a few days to learning perspective, and then dedicate 2 days to making vehicles, or spend a whole week learning about light and color, etc. It will be more rewarding than if you just draw shit for 50 hours with no goal and no idea of what you're doing.

If you're in a very early stage, of course try to focus the fundamentals, but it can get boring at times, so you can just go and draw monsters, or sexy girls, or anything that feels fun. I do encourage to find the right tools, and the right style and try to get good at those two, most people advice against starting with manga, but if that's what you like and don't want to bother with the classics go ahead and practice manga and get good at it, fuck the rules, it's all about being motivated and improving yourself a bit every time you try something slightly harder.

"time spent" doesn't mean anything if you're not learning, 5 hours of real learning is better than 10 of doing the same shit inside your comfort zone, getting stuck is what really sucks and gets you discouraged.

>>3144514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Al7QAS89s&t=865s

>>3144554
IQ has far more impact. Autistic people have a hard time learning because learning is most often done through social interactions with teachers/peers which is what an autistic person would struggle with.
Self learning is the best option for an autistic person.

>>3144564

That guy learn from school and only know how to learn from school. So if you're self taught don't listen to him.

>>3144529

Stop using photos
Stop using special brushes

START FROM THE BASIC and work your way up.

Sticky.

>>3144551
Good to hear, I'll try to aim for something in between that.

>>3144557
>getting stuck is what really sucks and gets you discouraged.
Definitely. Thank you for the advice, I'll try to keep this stuff in mind. A lot of times I would get fearful of goofing off doodling the stuff I'd much rather do than basic shapes, because my skill level was woefully low and I didn't want to 'waste' learning time. But I guess it's better to have fun and retain momentum.

>>3144575
niceme.me kys pigdog

It's getting harder to keep going, lads. I love doing it but I just fuck up back to back to back its heart breaking. hope you all are faring better

>>3144602
>Only outlines with no construction
>doesn't turn off the checkerboard transparency grid or make a layer that's fully white/gray.
It's hard to keep going because you're trying to do things out of your scope. Draw some boxes

>>3144607
>you're trying to do things out of your scope. Draw some boxes
Will do, now I'm spooked, I always hear people say you cant get better unless you move out of your comfort zone, I'm not comfortable with digital drawing as I am with trying new things on paper. I guess I'm trying to improve to fast on two different mediums at the same time

>>3144620
Choose one and stick with it

Eventually you'll be able to handle both almost equally, but you'll waste your attention readjusting instead of progressing in your desired areas.

You'll notice your drawings will become faster and faster if you stick with one of them. You shouldn't be afraid of any medium, but do take your time to learn each one of them properly, rather than switching back and forth while you're still just learning how to overcome symbol drawing etc.

>>3144647
I'll try out digital and come back when I have something worth a look, thanks anon

>>3144010
>>3143928
K. Now what i've got is
>make a blob
>add center line, and sketch
>block the basic overall structure
>block large landmarks
>block in more discrete areas
>cast shadows
Have I got the order down right?

>>3144584

Call it a meme or whatever the fuck you want...

You can learn some technical stuff on his videos or gain something when he babbles about his life experience but if you're learning by yourself get advice from artist who made it learning by themselves.

Not someone who keeps promoting his school. This guy spent thousands learning in school from some of the best in the industries. Not everyone can afford it. And you don't need it to succeed and his advice is based on what he's gone through. He doesn't know and can't teach how to be a self taught artist.

hey bois been a while, did i miss out on one of these top tier /ic/ in-jokes over the past few weeks?

>>3144729
Are you who I think you are because you got better if you are.

>>3144733
I think this is the last thing I put on here

I read Hampton

Everyone read Hampton now

>>3144729

A bit uncanny. Looks like you're on your way to drawing good portraits. Keep it up.

>>3144729
What's the reference? That eye looks so far out left

>>3144753
thank you friend

>>3144793
oh, it is

>>3144685
Just wanted to point out, dont worry too much about the forms and worry a little more with your light source. Also, try smoother brushes, those you used looked too edgy for practcing shadows and light. I hope this helps.

>>3144796
so cute

I haven't actually painted with color in a while because I've been too obsessed if I even knew how to construct the figure. I feel like I've improved since then (about a year) and would like to try painting again, but I don't really remember how or how to start.

>tfw I have a drawing due tomorrow that I haven't even started
>have to draw a shirt in a crumpled position while stressing cross contour lines
>suck at cross contour lines

What the fuck should I do? Any good refresher videos?

>>3145001
are you subbed to that website?

>>3145009
Which?

>>3145026
femjoy

watermark, lower right

I've been using Loomis' fun with a pencil book for a while and so far I've just been copying whatever is on the page I'm on. I feel like I should take what I learned from copying the examples and do my own thing with the heads. As of right now I'm on page 22 on the book, any tips for what I should do so I don't end up just copying the book and learning nothing?

>>3145029
no. I probably just found the picture on pintrest.

>>3145056
>looking for nudes on pintrest
What did he mean by this?

>>3145062
search for dynamic poses on pintrest. There's a lot.

what is bad about this

>>3145258
Neck

>>3145001
oh fuck those tits!