/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I like graphic design, it counts as abstract right? Of course, unlike contemporary art, it serves a purpose so it isn't real art.

>>3089910
i don't have anything against graphic design.It basically adds to the aesthetic of whatever it's attached to. That thing could still exist without graphics. So is it really that much more logical and utilitarian than fine art?

>>3089921
Graphic design is about communciating something, not just making things appealing, though that is part of it too.

Think of corporate logos, they aren't just for looks, they are designed to be recognisable from any distance but also to say something about the company.

Or user interface elements designed for legibility of purpose, etc.

In much of graphic design, looks are strictly secondary to function.

>>3089925
i see what you are saying.

But i could theoretically make a painting, then print it on a shirt and all the sudden be a billionaire. would that make me a sensible everyman?

>>3089885
I think the rot began with much of Impressionism actually. Symbolism was the last great art movement and ever since we've only got great artists/illustrators but no great movements. Arthur Rackham, Alphonse Mucha, Akihiko Yoshida.. they're all miles ahead of others in their class

>>3089941
it would make you someone who printed a shirt and became a billionaire.

>>3089885
Mid-century illustrators were the last great artists, the fine arts were already dead at that point, it was these lowly advertisement and book illustrators that kept tradition and there were also innovative ones that had modernist sensibilities but weren't so far up their own asses.
It was all downhill from there.

>>3089959
i don't understand why you think art HAS to employ mastery of technique to be good. The way I see it, some good art uses it, some doesn't. Some art uses strong technique in less traditional ways

I like a lot of surrealism, cubism, some expressionism and recently I've started to warm up to some abstract art. The thing with this board is that its mostly very young people who also adopt a lot of 4chan "culture" (edgyness, cynicism, anime, etc...) on top of that the people who come to /ic/ is people who want to learn to draw/paint properly, so there's just not a lot of discussion of art movements, theory, abstract art and so forth.

>>3089885

I actually like Bacon and Freud. Not much of a fan of the likes of Richter, Pollock and Rothko, it's just noise for me.

Sure I like some of it but I am exclusively passionate about Chinese cartoons so I couldn't actually tell you the names of any artists I like that don't draw Chinese cartoons.

>>3089959
Dumbass. There are a plethora of contemporary painters who are just as good if not better than the majority of fine artists in the 18th 19th 20th centuries.

Robert Liberace
Richard Schmid
Robert Johnson
just because you dont know shit about contemporary realism doesnt mean the fine arts are dead.

That being said modern art is fantastic. Velasquaz portraits are a tour de force and have me marveling in the complexity of his painting skills but a Rothko has the ability to vibrate through your entire body.

Next time go and actually interact in the fine art world before shitposting.

>>3089885
The problem is that the only books /ic/ reads are mangas and comic books

>>3089885
yep. i think if you think of /ic/ as a bunch of kids trying to learn to play guitar, that's the sort of level of art appreciation we're talking here. like everyone knows mozart and beethoven are good, and of course they like pop music, but trying to convince them to listen to bohor 1 or some sun ra or whatever isn't going to happen, those things require too much actual understanding of music, and they want to be pop stars so they don't care about music.

Opposition to modern and contemporary art with an admiration for the old masters is stupid. With the advent of photography, the slow dissolving of the patron system and the concious recognition of style art had to change.

I think the main problem is people look at art backwards, they start to vaguely understand the contemporary conception of what art is as children then learn about art both contemporary, modern and classical and as classical is often more superficially stirring they decide that art to a turn for the worse. It didn't, classical art and contemporary art are two related but ultimately distinct traditions.

>>3089985
>I like a lot of surrealism, cubism, some expressionism and recently I've started to warm up to some abstract art.
Pretty much the same for me. Also, I think impressionism is, for the most part, tasteless shit for those who are, well, easily impressed.

>>3090872
I think it may be the most palatable art for wide audiences. Not as cold or grim as Renaissance art. Not as hard to understand as later contemporary art

>>3090684

fuck one of my professors worshipped this dude

his style, its so throwupy

>>3090684
I don't want to read anything that would so delude me into thinking that canned piece of shit you posted or anything like it is remotely good or appealing.

>>3091029
It's gross and some figures are a little kitsch . But I like the technique and compositions

>>3091030
Make sure you don't read anything at all then, you might grow a brain

>>3091046
Yeah, you're smarter than me because you like this retard's embarrassingly crude pink shit paintings. Whatever helps you sleep at night you fucking pathetic moron lmao.

>>3090049
I talk about commercial illustrators because it's easy as hell to pick the few good artists of any time but that doesn't give you picture of what has happened to the art world as a whole. Illustrators are seen as low tier artists yet an average one from the 1950s would have more skill and knowledge than the best fine artists since then. That's how far art has fallen.

>>3091052
Shoo-Shoo, Shoes!

japanese artist

>>3089925
Ehhh...some of it. There is art in design, in some circumstance. Fontography is an art, for sure, and some people do incredible things with fonts. Design covers a lot of ground, so to say it's just for communication...yeah, no. It fulfills a lot of functions.

>>3090049
There are good contemporary artists, but you have to search them out, because they're not well represented in media, in the galleries, or in magazines and other art forums. The art world has become severely dysfunctional, to the point where traditional art is dismissed on sight, in favor of other forms. I wouldn't mind modern art, if they allowed traditional art to co-exist alongside it, and gave it as much respect if not reverence they do to piles of twigs.
Look at landscape art. It's been delegated to the "matches your couch" level of importance, while some minority doing paper mache gets millions in grants and funding and attention.

>>3091248
The choice of a font also communicates something about the product it's attached to. It's not some random thing you pick just because it looks cool.

Design is communication just like art is communication. The difference is that in design you always aim to make your message as obvious and readable as possible. There's no room for subtlety, if your end user doesn't understand your meaning, you have failed.

In art the meaning can be as opaque and subtle as you want. You can even get away with having no intended meaning at all, if you get your audience to think there's meaning anyway.

>>3089996
Please don't post people's uglies on here. It's not bit, not clever.

>>3090049
Different anon. I know of them and still say fine art is dead. Wake me up when they can conceive respectable and finished paintings, not just wanking over their technique to impress fine art noobs.
>>3091254
>Look at landscape art. It's been delegated to the "matches your couch" level of importance
Landscape art was always a lowly pursuit.

>>3089885
More abstracted, because you can really feel the artist's emotion.

>>3091216
Henlo handsome Bsian