/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3035046
It has to do with markmaking being much more limited in digital. When you do a stroke in photoshop it is a set shape that stamps over and over in a very predictable way. Sure there's a bit of variation you can get like a bit of size variation or opacity, and there can be some texture introduced but again it's typically very repetitive. In traditional media there is a lot more variety you can achieve in a single stroke as you vary the pressure/angle/rotation/speed etc. and there is constant tactile feedback too. Traditional media also has physical texture which digital doesn't.

All that said, digital just takes a bit more work to get that nuance in it. Instead of doing it in a single stroke it might take two or three. I don't think it always has to look plastic or artificial.

Isn't it funny how pic related has more artistic value than the digital "art" made by this individual who earns $300,000+/year? https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan

>>3035046

Yeah man. You're right! I never realized this. I'm quitting digital now. Thanks a lot for your input! I'm going to save so much time now...

>>3035046
Personally I think it has to do with CTRL+Z If you practice for years with a pencil, your lines will be fluid and graceful because you've already made a million shitty lines that you've learned from, the hard way. That gets ingrained in your brain.

Digital artists CTRL+Z and their mistake is instantly erased from history; they don't learn from it and their lines are based on trial and error rather than mastery.

That's just like, my opinion though man.

>>3035059
>thinking monetary value is relevant to artistic value

>>3035065
It still tickles the cortex.

You just got rekt in /r9k/ with this thread
>>>/r9k/37930779#
Do you really need it again? Why do this to yourself?

"Again, the end goal is different. Typically digital artists are working toward animation or comic/manga styles.
Not many people are pursuing fine art through this. Did you know: the world of art isn't all people striving toward the same goal? Did you know: not everyone is trying to be Rembrandt? Like it's better to draw mechs in digital for obvious reasons, but initial sketches would best be done in pencil first.
You guys are just ignorant as fuck."

>>3035070
>You just got rekt
I don't think so, sweetie. >>37932292

>>3035070
>You just got rekt
I don't think so, sweetie. >>>/r9k/37932292

>>3035063
That's why I almost always erase my lines manually immediately after or during the clean up stage whenever I'm practicing/studying. I've noticed as soon as I let go of using CTRL Z so much I've noticed all of the lines that I do end up better anyway, and it's erasing some of the excess lines is much faster than CTRL Zing 500 times.

>>3035074
Yeah you did. Don't act like you didn't lose that. Your autistic screeching got called out and educated by someone that knows their shit unlike the other failed artists like yourself.
>>3035077
And then he went on to say why thats not true(its faster not easier, with different results for different purposes) are you retarded? I was there for that thread too, with you linking to this hoping to get other failures to give you support here
...

>>3035046
Also Ruan Jia proves you wrong, digital can easily compare to other mediums. Lurk more faggot, this thread has happened hundreds of times.

>>3035089

>Ruan Jia proves you wrong, digital can easily compare to other mediums

I'm the other guy but no, just no. Ruan Jia digital stuff still looks digital and doesn't compare to traditional. You must have no eyes to think different.

>>3035084
>lose
What did I lose?
>autistic screeching
But that's the response I got.
>called out
You mean mental gymnastics?

>>3035089
>Ruan Jia
Cheap vulgar digital vidya trash. He could learn a thing or two from Alma-Tadema.

digital can achieve great heights

>>3035092
Well his orginal point(other thread) is that it's not even art and has no value, and requires no talent. So whatever.
And not all of his stuff is immediately recognizable as digital. Especially to people like him that don't do art. He's just a jelly faggot that wont quit.

>>3035097
Not bad but it simply cannot possibly reach the allure and grandeur of say, Piranesi.

>>3035099
>requires no talent
I never implied this.
>not all of his stuff is immediately recognizable as digital
It certainly is, just open your eyes and the images at a decent size.
>people like him that don't do art
doing art =/= doing digital

>>3035094
>You mean mental gymnastics?
That's exactly what you're doing. You went from
>digital "artists" think they're making "art"
to
>why does digital art look plastic
because you got so btfo. Changing goalposts because you know the outcome now, someone smarter will tell you you're dumb. But okay. You can hate all you want, everyone knows you're just a jelly lazy loser that can't handle others doing something you'll never acheive. Have fun with that I guess.

>>3035103
>doing art =/= doing digital
Oh. Thanks for illuminating us o wise autismo.

Isn't it funny how traditional is dying? I guess your opinion of "artistic merit" of traditional isn't enough to make people dislike digital en masse.

>>3035105
>You went from
>>digital "artists" think they're making "art"
I did not retract.
>why does digital art look plastic
Digital art? When did I say this? You mean digital "art"?
>you got so btfo
What?
>Changing goalposts
How?

>>3035108
You welcome, next time don't forget that pieces of paper exist.

>>3035115
What the plebeian masses prefer is irrelevant.

>>3035103
>It certainly is
They're still a far cry away from "cheap plastic turd" when some of them look pretty rough and the strokes are evident and not polished at all. Even so there's plenty of other digital artists that don't fit in with that stereotype.
It'll never compare to oil, but to call the entire world of digital art shit is fucking ridiculous. No one here is with you on this.

>>3035065
>everyone knows you're just a jelly lazy loser that can't handle others doing something you'll never acheive
yawn, you mean I don't care for pirating photoshop
just because I don't stroke my cock to your specific zillion button collection doesn't mean I don't have my own.

>>3035134
>doesn't mean I don't have my own
>implying you can paint anything in any medium
>implying you can draw anything other than a crude dick and pepe
Oh i am laffin

>>3035125
>No one here is with you on this
Yep. Time to let this shitty thread die wimpering.
Sage.

>>3035138
>implying drawing is the only thing that someone can learn to do on a computer.
You really should branch out and learn to appreciate attention to detail in nature instead of letting a computer fill in the details for you.

>>3035125
>It'll never compare to oil
You bet.

>>3035144
>implying drawing is the only thing that someone can learn to do on a computer
What? Where was that implied? Lrn2read faggot. Lol holy shit. saged

>>3035147
It was implied when you started taunting my skills.
Anyone can learn to draw. I just have better things to do with my computer than getting an inbox pummeled by fat virgins with requests for furry porn.

>>3035150
>It was implied when you started taunting my skills
No it still wasn't. Go do those things and fail at them too, inevitably kek.
saged and aborted

>>3035158
I am a master of my chosen fields, and I can dominate you at digital and real art.
Post your shit nigger

>>3035094
>Cheap vulgar digital vidya trash. He could learn a thing or two from Alma-Tadema.
Explain what he does wrong, then.

Go ahead, we'll wait.

>>3035046
Idk, I did pretty good job of convincing people on Instagram that these two were traditional art, despite having done both purely in traditional, with a digital pencil brush. I got a fuckton more likes and views on it on social media purely out of the perception that both were done in traditional. So I reckon it has a lot more to do with people's mental perception of things, than any actual inherent value or trait within the work itself.

The irony is too, that can easily do pieces like this in traditional, I have all the tools, I'm just too goddamn lazy, plus I lack a decent scanner/drawing table.

>>3035164
>Explain what he does wrong
Digital.

>>3035170
Fuck, forgot image.

>>3035164
>Explain what he does wrong
Art, because he does digital.

>>3035046
Because that's your personal preference.

>>3035174
Except he does traditional as well.

Anyways, not an argument, try again, a less ignorant reply this time, please.

>>3035115
>people stopped reading books because ebooks
>people stopped going to see live performance because movies

oh wait

>>3035181
>he does traditional as well
Let's see.

>>3035046
it is because it takes 50 hours that it looks artificial. True skill shows with a few strokes. The difference is that with digital, even someone inexperienced can overwork something using tricks though anyone can see the artificial cheap look you're talking about

>>3035189

>>3035194
god I love ruan!

>>3035194
Still looks digital.

Sad!

>>3035125
>It'll never compare to oil

Digital is still rather new whereas other medium are centuries old, none of us can know how the future will be - I certainly don't. Maybe artists'll make their paintings on computer then use Robots to reproduce them with real brush strokes. Then we'll all have our authentic ruan jia oil painting hanging in the dinning room.

>>3035194
Fuck, he's as good on traditional too?

>>3035198
>this post

Sad!

>>3035206
not an argument

>>3035046

What's with the "traditional > digital" bait threads recently?

>>3035264
summer underage invasion

>>3035046
why havent you killed yourself yet

don't silence (ban) me, i'm just curious

>>3035046
>why is it that despite 50+ hours of work, a digital drawing will always look like an artificial cheap plastic turd
because it is.

>>3035146
That's great but again I have to think it would look way better if it wasn't digital. You can just tell.

>>3035046
Digital art lets you get closer to perfection you fucking retard

>>3036538
You should receive capital punishment for that blasphemy. Fucking modern artists.

>>3036582
But it's objectively true. You have full control over your work in digital, literally down to one pixel.

>>3036582
modernism started 150 years ago and is done senpai.

>Comparing traditional work to digital work through a computer screen
How has noody mentioned that oil or watercolor have characteristics that you simply can't achieve digitally because of the way light goes through the paint. Seeing paintings in person is SO much better.

>>3035173
I can see that it's not traditional though

I can't say if it's because you said that it's not traditional or because I could spot that it isn't.
It seems to me like black is too flat, and the lines in some places look like a digital brush rather then a pen. Maybe because the are too neat? Not sure.


Anyway about the topic, one thing digital doesn't have is 3d textures. When I look at a painting in real life it has all the layers of the brush, the texture of the canvas, and the interaction with the wall texture.
All of that doesn't really happen when I look at the 2d screen. Which is why I prefer physical objects rather then digital ones.

Just my taste though.

>>3035063

This is bullshit, for the most part. The only moment it's actually relevant is during inking.

Nigger

>>3037165
yup, draw and paint traditionally for the most part, but when i paint digitally i undo quite a bit. its just an added convenience

>>3035078
So I'm not a retard for not using ctrl+z?
I'm new to digital and I almost always erase manually unless I'm deep into rendering (i render a lot on the same layer) and even then i color pick to fix it.
Am I gimping myself or is my autism good in this case?

I personally prefer digital because it can achieve great hights in a fast and usable manor. Ofc traditionally people can make a masterfully beautiful lets say eviroment. But it takes an extremely long time and even tho artistically it's great it's not usable like digital.
I guess I just really like the idea of making decent money with art and digital is rly the only real way to go if you want that.
>inb4 modern art
lets not go there

>>3037355
I prefer to use eraser myself because it allows me to "fine tune" the shape of the line instead of just nuking it entirely

>>3037345
the one thing i miss most though in traditional is curves, which i use all the time in digital

>it's "I have only seen few renaissance paintings which are good, but only see anime autism online" thread again

Just fucking kill yourself OP, and get the fuck out of this board

>>3035046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ykrErSYBg

You do you m8. I'll do mine, That's what's art's about.