/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I've been using /beg/ for a while. But I don't get something. When the reference is posted at the start of the thread, is it the OP or just people contributing to the thread?

>>3010168
The op is a bot and automatically makes a new thread with 5 or so reference mages.

Here's shit i did today
roast me

>>3010168
Yeah, OP's providing reference images

>>3010172
hes actually our carer

>>3010172
it's not a bot. how would it choose the pic for the op pic?

>>3010177
AI

>>3010168
Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to.

What exactly is happening in step D?

>>3010187
rendering the brighter tone
adding more tones

>>3010187
Separating the shadow from the highlight by adding the midtone.

gonna post my images here
a little breef intro into my stuff my craft my art :)

i am 25 years old living in missouri
i am trying to mix pop art with urban culture / anime culture in a way
tell me what you guys think i add some commentary. been drawing for 9 years so i dont know if i should post in beginner thread or not :D

>>3010196
this one isnot what i usually do this is a new style that im trying out cause someone told me to make an alternate style my own its a self portrait tell me how you like it

>>3010177
im not a bot u FUKER

>>3010168
also i used to get roasted for posting """"""""""""""""bad refs"""""""""""""""""""

Is it worth taking 30 second gestures and doing the rest from imagination?

is there a set checklist for /ic/ ladsz?
what should the REAL /beg/ bois be focusing on opposed to what the /beg/ bois that are going to make it focus on?
saying 'fundamentals first' is quite vague
I believe studies and training the eye comes first over anything else
what do you professional artists believe is the correct order?

>>3010211
>what do you professional artists believe is the correct order?
If there was an answer to this, don't you think it would be included in the sticky?

>>3010211
Training the eye.

I'm still shit at sight size, but I went back to anime for a little bit earlier today and my work improved despite not working on it for months.

>>3010168
This girl is cute, but the picture quality is atrocious.

>>3010212
the keyword in the sentence you meme arrowed was 'believe'
it was a subjective post

>>3010219
typical instagram grain
easily covers imperfections with the lie that "my camera is just bad hehe xdd"

Anyone in São Paulo know of any good schools there?
I have the opportunity to go and have classes, but i don't know of any places that won't cost me an arm and a leg. (Read Panamericana)

>>3010215
Literally draw the owl.

>>3010219
>>3010225
Pretty sure she's actually a cosplayer of pic related at a hotel.

I hold onto the image, because if I'm going to be drawing 2D anime girls later on in my artistic progression, I better draw 3D anime girls now, so the skills transition better.

I think im a little confused about what the pencil is for, and totally confused about how long the process of creating an image should take.

im starting to see this, because im starting to get fucking bored with the way i draw. i did this drawing (not even accurately, i know) and do drawings like this in a single pass and afterwards stare it it thinking 'holy shit i cannot imagine anything else i can do to improve it.' and thats that. i feel empty inside and move onto the next one.

i see guides like >>3010187 and see the way they initially set down lines with the pencil in a specific purpose and allow for space for refinements down the path. And i feel totally retarded. /blog

>>3010240
here's another one i did today. im gonna stick to digital for a while now.

>>3010229
and it doesnt look as good as the owl

>>3010201
hey a 200x200 is a bad ref no way how you put it

>>3010157
Is it normal to loose sanity while reading Loomis for the first time?
After just 10 pages I can already tell that I've been drawing wrong my entire life.
Not only that but I can also feel that instead of reading some Loomis I realize that I must read all Loomis.
If I learn Loomis, will I be able to draw properly?

left or right?

tryna design a cartoon monkey for a music video. this might be too derpy for this board but idk where else to go to get a quick pinion. I just wanna know which direction to follow out of those two monks

>>3010255
don't read loomis, it's an exclusive board meme, you can learn how to draw faces from study grinding
read keys to drawing if you haven't already, very helpful

>>3010257
Loomis's book on heads is good to read because people suck at drawing heads. They don't understand the underlying principles Loomis puts in his book. It's why people call it symbol drawing and flat and all that.

>>3010257
>Don't read Loomis.
>It's an excluseive board meme.
No... don't tell me that is true... I was told by a /IC/ guy to read Loomis, how do I know which one of you speaks truth...
I mean, if Loomis is what I have to read to learn, then I will fucking read Loomis till I throw up Mr Ice figures, but if it's just a meme to trick idiots like me then what gives.

>>3010264
existential crisis much

>>3010264
It's a meme

Loomis actually teaches bad habits

>>3010231
It's hard enough to draw 3D girls, forget anime girls.

>>3010268
like?

>>3010256
youve spent more time asking about those two doodles than you have drawing

>>3010267
You bet I have,

>>3010264
It's not a trick, there's just quicker ways to improve. stop rushing the "i wanna draw anime girls" mindset, it can't be rushed, read this post >>3010269

>>3010272
prolly true, still I'd like an opinion. I'm not tryna make some masterpiece here

>>3010270
One common problem you see in beginners after they read Loomis, is that really stick with his guidelines on the ratios of the features of the body. In reality the human body is a lot more diverse and applying the rules taught in the book will in the end hinder your progress to drawing interesting characters. Example is sameface, a common critique you can find on this board.

>>3010279
go with the left one.... problem solved. Now get to drawing you lazy fuck.

>>3010277
I don't want to draw anime girls, I want to learn the basics good enough so I can start improving in the right direction.
I want a stable foundation so I don't sit like a jerkoff down the road because I didn't do X.
>It can't be rushed.
Then fucking Loomis it is. Fuck if it takes the whole summer just to read it through. I got til I die to practice painting.

>>3010283
What do you suggest?

>>3010286
>What do you suggest?
To not buy into the Loomis meme

>>3010283
But isn't that because they just don't understand the principle and don't know how to adapt it to make more unique and interesting characters?

>>3010286
fuck it bro, if you wanna read loomis, do so but it didn't help me what so ever

>>3010290
Then what did you do, what helped you?

>>3010224
You're still making the same mistakes. You're doing a stylish thing with the lips, but not carrying it through the rest of the piece, so it looks awkward. You're not even trying to model the nose, and made the nostrils black holes in the middle of the face. You're cartooning the eyes. The "shading" on the hat is just scribbling.

If you're not going to listen to the advice given here, I'm not going to bother anymore.

>tfw you activate R-MODE

>>3010299
What the fuck did Da Vinci fucking mean with this shit, seriously?

>>3010240
Pencils are for drawing. Why is that hard to understand.

How long something takes is irrelevant, you're getting hung up on something that doesn't matter at all.

The next step is to stop scribbling, and develop line skills, and learning to shade correctly. What you're doing is high end rough drafts - now it's time to move towards finished pieces.

>>3010302
outstretched arms make a circle when rotated

i think that's it

>>3010302
he wanted to bio-engineer the perfect quadrupedal life form, duh.

>>3010264
Loomis doesn't cover everything though. It is just a very basic guideline, most useful to those who have no idea how to draw but you should move on from it once you understand the gist of it. You can always come back to it later when you're confused as it does have many good tips for beginners.

After Loomis, there are plenty of drawing resources you can use. Just go on youtube and you'll find what you need. Since you're learning on your own, you have to figure this out for yourself. Loomis isn't the only recommendation but it is often the first because of how well it get's people started with drawing.

>>3010283
That's an unfair expectation. The early challenges of drawing is learning how follow measurements and draw precisely. Beginners first need to learn a preset or guideline before they can start deviating from the rules. It's necessary or else they will not learn how to hone in their drawings from disproportionate and ugly to passable looking figures

>>3010284
thanks desu

>>3010295
keys to drawing, draw a box
literally every other resource in the sticky except loomis
spend more time in /ic/ and you'll start to notice the "read loomis" shitposts

>>3010309
Thank fuck, a concrete answer, thank you, friend.

>>3010312
>literally every other resource in the sticky except loomis
Perfect.

>>3010286
Forget Loomis - you're already biased against it, so you won't learn.

Here's the curriculum of a basic drawing course, in college. It's USC, which isn't known for it's art program, but it's a pretty decent course of study. Read the PDF, and look at the course goals, and the weekly breakdowns. This should give you a basic idea of what to research and work on.

http://web-app.usc.edu/soc/syllabus/20143/33210.pdf

Here's another that covers all the basics:

http://basicdrawingfall2012.blogspot.com/p/syllabus.html

Loomis is a badly abused meme here, that is ONE way to approach study, but it's barely the tip of what an artist needs to learn, for drawing.

>>3010187
So how the fuck am I supposed to do step one? Making lines in proportion like that is hard, especially in one stroke.

>>3010302
It's a drawing DaVinci did, from the writings of Vitruvius (so it's called "Vitruvian Man"), that is the classical ideal of the proportions of the human body, in two poses.

>>3010321
Practice. Where did you get the idea that you'd master everything with no effort?

i think i've outgrown you /beg/

good bye

>>3010321
Start with a circle, then add a triangular shape for the jaw. The center horizontal of the circle is your brow line. The point between the chin and the brow line is the base of your nose. etc, etc. It's just basic construction.

That picture though skips over the construction as the artist probably already did it in their head. Then they just followed the basic shapes of the hair, neck, and shadows. If you can't do that yet, then do the head construction.

I had a lot of fun doing this with mouse on paint but hell it was really hard to do...
Not that It comes easier whenever I try traditional art...

What do you think? It's actually the first time I do something like this

>>3010158

>>3010328
So will I just naturally be able to do the construction in my head later on?

I ask because I see people draw from life without any guidelines and it ends up perfectly accurate.

>>3010351
from life, it's pretty easy once you get the hang of measuring. now, from imagination, that's something else.

>>3010328
Okay, that's fine for a generic head.

Now teach them how to observe and draw the unique shapes that skulls and jaws have. The jaw is the foundation for the lower half of the face, and is crucial - and everyone's is different. It's more than just a triangle.

Then show them how muscles form the face.

If you're gonna step up, and teach, do more than "draw a circle and a triangle", because if that's all you have, you've failed them as a teacher.

>>3010359
Looks pretty good, as a start. Colors are a bit bright - might want to tone them down a bit, especially the banana. Look for color in the bowl, black is a bad color for this composition, as it draws the eye - the focus should be the fruit. I'd add some color to the background, so you could reflect it off the black, and tone that way, way back.

Then, go the next couple of steps of refining the shapes and forms, with blending and edges and textures. You're on the right track!

Has the standard for /beg/ increased over the last couple years?

>>3010360
Whoa, in no way was I trying to be a teacher.

Construction is just a guideline. No one is expected to follow it to a T but it does help beginners get a working model of a head. One of the main struggle I had in drawing the head was keeping everything in alignment and proportional. The construction helped a lot with that.

Learning to observe and draw unique shapes is important too. I never implied that it wasn't. But looking at it from a purely beginner perspective where maybe basic measuring is still a struggle, having that simplified guideline initially is very useful.

hey, anti-loomis anon

post your work

>>3010365
You're not supposed to stay in /beg/ for years.

>>3010391
>tfw been here for a year
>already got asked for blog
>can move on but haven't
I'll miss you anons.

>>3010196
>>3010197
You're not funny, you're just shitting up the board, get a life.

>>3010197
oh wow... you even added the "do not steal" to that garbage? I really was right in the previous /beg/ wasn't I. Go back to DA already.

>>3010337
I actually think it's cool you're trying to create images that have some sort of composition and idea behind them, more than just a single figure, but you know those colors look like shit, and drawing with a mouse is never good.

Sorry for potato image quality but I consider this right now to be the best drawing I have and I need you all to tear me a new one.

>>3010347
congrats you turned that handsome guy into a meth addict

>>3010411
Why the hell does 4chan keep flipping my image?

>>3010411
I'm not good enough to tell you HOW to fix it, but overall it lacks depth. The eyes look flat, the nose looks flat, the mouth looks flat. Maybe increasing your value range?

Proportions seem alright, but is she smiling on one side? Isn't her chin kinda bananish? If you were going for a tilted look instead of frontal then probably you already screwed it during construction, can you show me the reference?

Also,
>>3010415
Google it.

Why did she end up with baby legs?
Is it just me?

>>3010421
Now that you mention it, the mouth does look weird. I also got comments from my friends about the eyes. I always get anxiety about making shadows too dark which makes me overly blend.

>>3010424
A thing called perspective and foreshortening. This is what it really means to see things for what they really look like and not as an idea of what a leg looks like. Obviously you know how it looks from a standing pose, but about from above or below? From an angle you don't often think about the leg.

>>3010439
Don't be. I had that problem as well. just go for it and shade it darker. worst case senario you just get an eraser, assuming you work with pencil. have a decent contrast can really improve a drawing.

>>3010158
transitioning from left to right

I stretched the facial features out in the initial study and went to adjust. Then I realized I got the perspective wrong on the far eye and tried to correct it. I had already erased that spot so much that paper was starting to come off when I erased so I just stopped and called it a failure. I'm still having a lot of trouble picturing the eye as a sphere in a socket and I'm afraid to hide it. I'll be back to grinding through Hampton, I guess.

>>3010398
>>3010402
shut up haters

>>3010383
You sure as hell were talking like a teacher.

posting my comic so far give me feed back been working on it all day

>>3010384
Here's some of my work:

>>3010484

>>3010489

>>3010484
>>3010489
>>3010491
How are you so good?

>>3010491

>>3010494

>>3010495

>>3010439
I was right, the value is what makes it look flat.

Eyes: I can see you drew a tiny really black iris and the other thing around it whatever is called really light, it doesn't look like that in the picture. It's like 3 circles, black, lighter black, black, with some highlights. Also, her eyelids thingy on top of her eyes are too small in your drawing and too light. The white part of the eyes isn't actually full-white, it gets darker in the corners, especially near the hair. Also, outside her left eye (our right), on the near-nose side, shadows form some sort of V shape. From the eye sockets to the skin between eye and eyebrow, you didn't draw that shadow at all.

Nose: You're missing the big left shadow. In your drawing both sides look the same, which makes the lighting flat and non-realistic, while in the picture you almost can't even see the right side and the left side has a big, dark, smooth shadow.

Mouth, right cheek, top right forehead, all missing some shading too. In the picture you can see how the light comes from a certain direction, while in your drawing it seems to come from right in front of her. Her chin is rounder IRL, and adding that big shade below it, on the neck, will help too.

I can't even tell what that white thing on her hair is supposed to be. A hair band? Dyed hair? Looks a little bit like a bald-spot on your drawing. Not sure how to fix that.

Again, all of this is through a beginner's eyes, but the lack of shading is pretty obvious.

>>3010497

>>3010499

>>3010501

>>3010492
it doesn't count if you comment to your own uploads m8

>>3010482
Shut the fuck up m8. you steal other people's works and make it worse. also yeah, don't go back to DA. it's best you just quit altogether.

>>3010503

>>3010505

>>3010509

>>3010511

>>3010483
Sure if that's the way you want to look at it. Why so mad though?

>>3010512
what do you guys think? it takes a pretty long time to make a page desu but i will keep going i just need creteqe
>>3010504
blocked
>>3010492
thanks you dude bro i appreciate that i just practice.

>>3010486
simply epic
you sure showed me, you massive pussy

>>3010515
Blocked? you're a funny man.
also that takes a long time? stealing art, applying a texture over it and even havig inconsistent heights in your stolen characters?

what happened to /beg/ being a place for aspiring artists, instead of aspiring autists.

I fell off of the hobby years ago and I used to only copy images, they were really good tho. how to I learn to draw original art? should I just copy random shit until I learn how lighting, forms, perspectives etc work? are there some drills that one should do? also whats a good table?

>>3010305
>high end rough draft
you'm'v'e'll'n'd'v'e'n't have no idea how much that label helps my autistic brain

>>3010526
read the sticky

>>3010515
Shits cash, don't stop pls

>>3010525
shut the fuck up i know i base my characters off anime characters but for real man i draw them all and their clothes and i am already an artists i make money off m,y art bitch haha

>>3010509
>>3010511
>>3010512
Damn dude, looks pretty good. Do you have a blog?

>>3010537
i have facebook but i cant share it hear >>3010533
thanks bro i appreciate the love

>>3010413
Thanks, now I know I can draw meth addicts properly.

Serious question though, do you think it would be more helpful to practice on still life, or keep practicing with portraits? I just started so I'm trying to improve my ability to discern proportions and draw what I see.

Critique or redline?

>>3010513
Who said I was mad? I'm just calling you out - if you're gonna start lecturing people on how to draw, do it for real, don't wimp out and run away. Own it. Which you already backed off of.

>>3010519
Cry moar. It's common sense not to link your name to this cesspool - and it's because of angry little manlets like you is a big reason why, I don't need some mouthbreather getting near my career and clients.

>>3010543
Draw bigger. For the love of god, draw bigger. Have some confidence in your work. You have skills, it's time to stop hiding behind thumbnails.

Develop this more - make it bigger, and finish it, as line art, or color. Develop the forms more, like the hair, and skirt.

This is a solid starting out point for a larger, finished piece. Think about an environment, too.

>>3010543
look at the hand on the right, now look at yours. that said, it is a decent sketch

>>3010553
top kek, I'm sure your three followers on tumblr will forgive you for posting on big bad 4chan, but if you're too much of a pussy to put your money where your mouth is, I completely understand

>>3010550
You're being pretty passive aggressive.

>>3010187
I was answering a question about how to make proportional lines to frame the head before blocking in shapes. I recommended construction.>>3010328

If you see that as me acting like a teacher, okay then. Good for you. Anything wrong with what I said or are you just looking for a reason to say something?

>>3010567
Oh, look, AngryBoi has something more to say!

I don't care what you believe or don't, I'm just here to give art advice. You have zero importance to me, i have nothing to prove to you, ever. So go farm (you)'s off someone else, m'kay?

>>3010568
No, I was being blunt - I told you to teach them correctly, if you were going to teach them how to draw a head. There was nothing passive about it, at all.

Just stop lecturing, if you're not going to own it, and do it right.

>>3010595
The only AngryBoi here is you, friendo. You're free to give all the worthless advice you want, but don't get so butthurt when people call you out on being the no-name pussy bitch that you are

>>3010598
Okay you got me anon. I was giving a lecture on construction. If you want to add to my lecture, just say so. It really seems like you do.

>>3010215
Mr. Andrew LOOMIS is waiting for you.

>>3010627
>LOOMIS

>>3010595
>still replying to bait

never change, /beg/

>>3010528
Can someone fucking tell me how to make a 'finished' drawing

I'm surprising myself rn at how hard I'm blanking on this

>>3010652
Take an unfinished drawing
And finish it

>>3010654
On god, fr fr, you'ms'd'v'e be fr w/ me f@m pl0x ctfu

>>3010640
Correction
>Never change, /ic/

>>3010652
Finished implies a completed state. Just reach that state. If you don't know what that state is, keep working until you do. There's all the time in the world.

So i really like comics art style and had started practicing again while looking at a drawing book wizard magazine put out.

Here is what i was able to make recently. Im at the stage where i can only do faces but i really struggle beyond busts

>>3010157
This is the first time I do "Homework" at /beg/
So, here it is.
outside having to do more of this, I really was a lazy fuck at the hair, I didnt even bother trying to make it look real, and I didnt finish the back of the whoody, outside of that, Gotta refine the spaces and do more homework.

>>3010710
well, im no expert, but that batman Jaw look really long.

>>3010713
Yea im starting to work on anatomy. Its pretty difficult and requires more work

>>3010512
>you need to learn some respect you fucking nigger

My sides

>>3010708
thank you. youll be a good teacher with those kind of words

perspective tearing me a new one

Not sure if I place the far eyeball correctly, and even if I did I can't for the life of me figure out how to draw the eyelids on top.

>>3010787
Okay I'm braindead, Hampton had examples in a later page. The eyeball should be sunk in more

>>3010159
How Do I do the "Milk water" effect on a white background? or at least give the feeling of "wet"?

Also, alot of this pictures are really small, Im not supposed to take detail out of them, and focus on other thing?

>>3010798
You can't show him in milk because it doesn't look like milk without context. I could see it as being stuck in a cube made of wax. You can however show him looking wet with the shine on the skin.

>>3010798
Just cum on a green peice of paper and take a pic of it and photoshop it on your drawing bro

See, drawing is racist because they make it hard to do. They need to make it easy like TV, so people in the community can have good jobs. Drawings are made by whites and Chinese, and they don't like it when we try to get ahead.

>>3010798
Even the photograph you're referencing doesn't give you any clue what it is, and it captures every detail. It could be milk, it could be wax, he could be floating in a vat of semen for all we know.

Like everything else, just look at the background in terms of value.

>>3010813
well, I asumed water down Milk, because Wax could be really hot, and semen... i try to be a little more PG with my wording.

>>3010820
If you're drawing from reference you don't even need to name things. Just draw what you see. The background is just regions of light and dark with extremely gradual transitions between them. Should be easy enough to do with graphite.

trying torso

what are some good painters to do study of portraits with?

Here are some sketches I did from imagination.

>>3010846
Looks pretty good. Torso does include some more on the top, like in those classic marble torsos. I think it might be fun if you tried some torsos with thinner models, where you can see more of the hip bones and such

How do I add base colors to this? I know its shit but I just want to practice coloring

>>3010878
Blog? Any tips for studying figures like you?

>>3010231
I discourage you from doing that. I followed this very path for the last several months (except without any intention of going 2D at the end) and at last realized that it's not the path to drawing my qt animoos as I want them.

>>3010512
That's a pretty autistic story. And why the hell a man pays for another man? Are they faggots or what?

>>3010706
These nostrils might be too big. And remove that gray block on the top or cover it.

>>3010787
He sure got some smol ears.

>>3010846
I know some people at /jp/ who would kill for a chance to touch those soft bellies if they belonged to their waifu.

>>3010878
The closer boob has to have bigger circumference.

I've been doing the Loomis head stuff for a while now, but one thing he doesn't really cover is how to draw a head that actually looks like a specific person. Are there any good resources that cover caricature stuff? If I'm drawing a portrait of someone from reference it'll obviously look like them, but I'm not really sure what features to extract and simplify so I can stamp them on a Loomis head and they'll still be recognizable.

I don't really get what to draw and practice with. People suggest faces but every time I need to draw all the detail and proportion of a face it just because obnoxious. Is this really something beginners should do? Not something simpler? I draw a shitload of boxes and lines because I have shaky lines but I'd like to mix it up. I don't really have anything I would want to draw so I just sit staring blankly at the paper.

Before anyone recommends I read some gigantic textbook, I won't, for various reasons.

>>3010944
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>>3010947
All the sticky does is throw a bunch of books at me I had already gotten and tried to read years ago.

>>3010948
sticky in header

>>3010408

Thank you for your opinion.
I actually think the colors look really cool, but that could totally be me having shit taste, not even kidding ahah

>>3010954
No, that's a really bad selection of colors. At least watch Sycra's video on color theory.

>>3010961

Will do, thank you for the advice

Is architecture easier to draw than faces/anatomy?

>>3010408
>drawing with a mouse is never good.
I don't understand what the problem is with drawing with a mouse.

>>3010983

Is this prague?

>>3010995
yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bridge

is it okay to trace your own photos, i want to draw my dog but i dont know shit about dog faces and i want to show my sister that i drew my dog, is it okay?

>>3011027
Of course its okay, but your not drawing your tracing.

>>3011027
Are you retarded?

>>3010256
Probably should get better at art before you start designing stuff.

Gotta learn to walk before you can run.

>>3010157
What the best guide line to use when drawing a face?
I feel like loomis changes the plane and ball method up a lot

When doing gestures should I focus on the shapes of the limps at all, or just the directions?
What am I supposed to focus on and try to accomplish with gestures?

>>3010988
Nothing. It just takes practice. There are people that are quite good with a mouse, because they invested themselves to the mouse and MSPaint for awhile.
You might aswell get better results with different tools, but it doesn't matter if you want to use the mouse.

>>3011123
cont.
I feel like gestures are really fucking weird after solely focusing on the shapes and details and shit.
Also, drawabox's gestures seemed like just watered down anatomy practises, while proko just talks about some magical flow and shit.

What do you think /beg/, will sculpture lessons help me git gud?

>>3011169
In sculpture?
Yeah.

>>3010158

Mostly looking at form of the nose. I'm putting more effort into learning 3d shapes instead of capturing likeness. Still struggling at both though.

>>3011212
What do you search to find the bottom left image?

Well? How did i do?
I posted this in old thread but it died so.

>>3011252
Reference

>>3011252

>>3011262
Fuck. I've actively trying not to avoid symbol drawing this past month. Anything particularly glaring about it?

>>3011252
eyes are still too small and the jaw seems to be slightly bigger in your drawing.

>>3011265
I've been actively trying to avoid symbol drawing*
I'm tired .

>>3011252
Proportions are off, eyes and mouth are too small. Take your time comparing the placement of visual landmarks: How wide is X compared to Y? Is the distance from the bottom of the nose to the top of the upper lip longer or shorter than the distance from the bottom of the lower lip to the chin? Etc. A lot of these measurements are arbitrary: just use what works in this instance. Other times the measurements are guided by anatomical knowledge - knowing the anatomical textbook "norm", and recognizing what ways the model deviates and by how much.

More importantly, you chose a terrible photo to study. Small, grainy, poorly lit. Stick to strong single directional light sources for the time being.

>>3011268
Alright. This seems to always be my issue. I always get my proprtions off even though i try and Take my sweet ass time trying to outline them at first. I only really realize I messed up after i'm done rendering and it's too late to fix anything wothout having to redo most of the drawing . How do i remedy this?

>>3011214

anatomy for sculptors and 'face anatomy' on pinterest

>>3011252
Post ref

>>3011342
?

tip me for some good information to get better plz

>>3011265
picking a better ref will help. not his crappy photo.

any tips to get better with pens and drawing in general? his face looks like he has shit on it.

Line control. How do I learn it?

>>3011444
Draw lines.
Drawabox

>>3011276
Just accept that you might have to redo a ton of work. Either your initial measurements are off, or you're not adhering to them as the piece progresses. In both cases the only solution is practice. Eventually you get better at judging the early proportions, and you'll be able to correct them earlier in the process. This is also why it's a good idea to work general to specific: establish the whole, then refine everything in stages. Don't render until the drawing is in place, and the simple value groups are mapped.

Crit my skull studies

>>3011262
>>3011265
Don't listen to them, they have no idea what they are talking about. It's pretty obvious you are trying to draw what you see and not symbols.

Your problem is that your proportions are way off. The best way to fix that is either trace the photo or do the grid system to see where you are off. You will be able to see very clearly what you are getting wrong and will do a better job the next time you try to draw it from looking at it.

>>3010787
Forget eye placement for a while and try to nail down the landmarks so you can get the perspective right, if you observe the bony landmarks on the face you'll notice that chin and the upper part of zygomatic bone can tell you the perspective, also try to concentrate on getting the planes of the head right and adding details will become much easier, right now the perspective of your nose is different from the eyes

I love you all so much.

>>3011462
Not that anon but what is the grid system?

>>3010988
>>3011127
You're giving yourself a handicap. Practice with pen or pencil until you can afford a tablet. You will draw better than with the mouse 100% of the time. It's like practicing running with a single leg, what's the point? It's not a different tool like graffiti that will get you different results, it's the same results but worse.

Why do i have such a hard time copying faces?

I can easily copy bodies, but i've drawn so many shitty faces that whenever i try to mentalize one i just revert back to symbol drawing.

>windows keep losing focus at random
>after a lot of playing around with the windows command line, figure out that it's the Huion tablet driver that's doing it

Annoying as fuck. Guess I'll have to install a 3rd party focus pinning app or something, since Huion is unlikely to fix it any time soon.

Kind of wishing I had invested a little more money and got a Wacom now...

could i get a critique on this please?

>>3011615
disregard that im retarded. this is supposed to be the right one.

>>3011617
learn about EDGES, that's a blurry mess. look at the sharp edge of her knee against her stomach.

>>3011617
1) Fix your negative/positive shapes before you start shading. Give it one flat shade and make sure it's as good as possible.

2) Establish your darkest darks, your lightest lights. Put the background in.

3) Focus on the darks, then on the lights. Work in passes, ignore reflected light.

Ignore the head features, get the shapes right first and then once you've had a bit of a warm up, put the eye sockets and the nose in. Watch the tilt and rotations of the head.

>>3011635
*just wanna add to this guy that adding in your background helps your perception of value!! do it even if it's just a three-tone block in with a soft brush

>>3011617
Your reflected light is overstated and it looks like you're trying to paint chrome. Similarly a lot of your midtones are being treated like full light. The light patch on the torso is painted much brighter than it should be for example.

You should really consider matching the background value to the ref so that you can better judge value changes accurately.

Is it lewd enough for you??

Took a break for a few days. Could have been worse. Thoughts?

>>3011624
for sure. ill use some harder brushes for the sharper edges cause right now it looks like i painted that without my glasses on.

>>3011635
Thanks for the detailed criticism. I have a hard time focusing in on one aspect at a time but you are right.


>>3011683
ill change the bg on it. I thought it mightve been better to paint it on a neutral background since most guides online say that, but i can certainly tell that there's a major difference in tones. thanks.

>>3010158

For some reason this photo is really fucking hard to draw.

>>3011749
ding dong!

You all need more loomis.
Here watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho

So, I've always heard people talking about how committing to lines is a really important part of drawing.
Now I can't draw for shit, and I'm looking to get started on the path, but I imagine I'd likely do that thing where you kinda "reinforce" lines in order to set them how you want them to be, as opposed to doing things in one stroke.

Is this a habit I should try to purge right from the start? Or should I worry about other things first?

>>3011774
youre not building the drawing, youre just having sex with the refs curves.

i sat at home for 14 hours today and this is all i drew

time for bed hehe

>>3010535
Are you 18?

>>3010157
I am stuck. I don't really know what to do to draw the arms and legs correctly. Aligning the eyes were a bitch, and I feel like the chest and body are too long. What do?

>>3011855
>reposting again and deleting old one because picture came sideways
I am stuck. I don't really know what to do to draw the arms and legs correctly. Aligning the eyes were a bitch, and I feel like the chest and body are too long. What do?

>>3011835
reposting this because I don't think you saw it the first time

I'll admit I got a little lazy with the line art

How do I get over this constant fear of drawing bros? Just drawing one line makes my brain hurt. Why am I such a retard? Just end me.

Is this even the right board if I want to start learning basic 2D animation?

>>3011900

pause and draw, dynamic poses :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUU_hESiY_k

>>3011905
you bite the towel and just do it, line after line. you do enough until youre tired, then good job. heal up because youll be doing it again.

>>3011859
have you ever tried loomis?

>>3011905
>>3011922
My biggest admiration for all artists is that they had to realize their drawing sucks hundredths of thousands of times before they actually got good. Every time you see someone who is good at drawing, he/she had to bite the towel many, many times, and kept going. If you think about it that way, it might be inspirational for you.

Can I get a crit? Its a study from reference :)

>>3010164
10 days in and I feel like I just might make it so please destroy any pride I have in my work. The stylized guy is a copy from a sketch book I downloaded here a while back.
>>3010878
Gib blog

>>3011939
I'm retarded

>>3011913
yes check the fucking catalog. best PLACE on the internet? probably fucking not

Hello /ic/,

I can draw smooth lines on paper but whenever I use a tablet, my lines are really shaky. How do I overcome this?

>>3011985
lazy nezumi [program; google it]

Is character design the most contested field of concept art?

Is vehicle design nearly as competitive? Machine/mech stuff?
Is that a viable thing to pursue? I imagine it is but I want to know if anyone knows more than google tells me.

>>3011990
>Please note that Lazy Nezumi Pro is currently Windows Only.

damn it, thanks for the concept though

>>3011985
Put a delay on your brush strokes

>>3011985
pencil nib
or tape paper to your tablet (your nibs are gonna die though)

>>3010988
carpal tunnel, i draw with a mouse

>>3010878
you can leave beg

Is character design the most contested field of concept art?

Is vehicle design nearly as competitive? Machine/mech stuff?
Is that a viable thing to pursue? I imagine it is but I want to know if anyone knows more than google tells me.z

>>3012023
You should able to do it all anon

>>3012024
oki

my first self portrait

I think its pretty good

Sorry if it sounds retarded but what do you do when there's an exercice on Keys to Drawing that involves an object that you don't have. Do you simply use photo ref? I'm asking this because people on this board have said how drawing from life is way different from photo references.

>>3011900
Remove the lines completely. Having no lines makes you make you focus on the form more.

>>3011985
Check out the tool tab.

>>3012067
This, mess with the stabilizer settings

>>3011938
It's too contrasty on the face and arms. I can't blame you, or the photo, since I don't see the reference.

You're blocking general forms okay - but the arms are all wrong. Her arm, wrist and forearm all have shapes, you just have a noodle.

You spent time to put details in the eyes, mouth, and philtrum (the part between the mouth and nose), and earrings, but left the rest raw, rough and unfocused. If this is a step in the path towards a final piece, concentrate on the whole figure, and put everything in the same focus.
You need to work on blending.
If you can, post the reference.

>>3012112
Thanks for the crit! I definitely see the noodle arm happening, will work on that in the future. Was not intended to be a final piece more just a fun study, but I agree about the simultaneous development, got carried away with the fun stuff in the face haha

>>3011457
The bottom right one is fucked to the point of no salvation (or, at least, not belonging to a Homo sapiens). The others are believable, although the one at the bottom has a strangely protruding forehead.

However, all of them have a problem with perspective (compare the directions of their craniums and faces) and jaw alignment

>>3012037
Do you live in water?

>>3011985
man i get the same thing, i think its actually partially my tablet though because it has a wierd grid and draws at something like a 1:0.9 ratio

>>3012154
Open blank canvas > Get a physical object with a round bottom (etc. wacom stylus stand) > place directly on tablet > trace it with your stylus.

>>3012156
I add that you need a heavy object which can't slide from the slightest push. Preferably something tall so you can hold it and trace at the same time. It is better to cover your canvas with paper too.

>>3010347
I did not use a pencil dark enough for this.

>>3012184
Sorry, meant to quote the reference >>3010158

Okay /beg/, now it's time for this question that's been bugging me for a while: Which is better, to draw what you simply see or analyze the figure and draw?

>>3012245
That's a really dumb question.
The latter, of course. You don't learn shit from the first, albeit you still can train your dexterity and maybe muscle memory.

>>3012000

https://hejstylus.com/

>>3012245
Depends on how /beg/ you are. Learning to see accurately and reproduce it precedes any sort of analyzation.

state of imagination for body. Might do some krenz studies for face + start on anatomy again. Any advice?

>>3012259
with collarbones at that angle, she'd have her shoulders crammed up around her ears. Shoulders seem pretty narrow, too - it's not like that's impossible but it's difficult to tell whether this is intentional or not.

check your rendering down the sternum. the implication you've created is that either her ribcage curls in at the sternum, or her breasts have an unusual amount of fullness up into the shoulders.

>>3012278
right, cheers

>>3011932
Yes, which is why I'm stuck here trying to figure his instructions out on paper

>>3010158
I'm practicing observation and sight. I only drew his eyes but i feel like i fucked up somewhere and can't tell where.

>>3012309
focus less on lines and more on value transitions. there are no lines in nature.

>>3012321
I'm only three days in. Can you please explain it a little more ?

>>3012328

>>3012345
Kek ok, I will see what I can find.

>>3011774
because your perspective is off, the camera is above him.
notice how in the reference we can see above his eye
but in yours we mostly see the lower eyelid

I did the reilly method, thanks to that Anon that told me about this, also please crit.

as an estimate, how long should you spend on each of these

>>3012577
or better question:
when do i know when to move on to the next?

>>3012565
no try from a different angle

>>3012577
You're never finished with any of that, there's always a room for improvement.

But you want an estimate, so... 264 hours 54 minutes and 11 seconds.

>>3012597
How do I do that?
I understand my eclipses aren't perfect or good, but please tell me where did I do wrong?

>>3012611
>How do I do that?
You just turn the forms slightly, you know how to draw a box from various sides, right? Should be about the same.

>I understand my eclipses aren't perfect or good, but please tell me where did I do wrong?
It looks fine, but front view is always a little easy with faces.

>>3012605
that's nothing
i have 2553 hours in csgo

>>3012616
Imagine if you spent that time drawing

>>3012615
Yes I can draw boxes in various degrees...thanks, Anon. You've made me remember to always draw forms, but I must ask this, is the obicular oris circlar or more of an oval? Is combining your knowledge of various guides and method in drawing like Loomis, Hampton, Reilly, etc.. the best option to use?

>>3012611
front views are babytier easy , the real challenge is drawing from different angles

>>3012631
Will do

>>3012622
i imagine it daily and it gives me pangs

how is it ?

Hey, I have never ever drawn from life and I keep running away from doing any actual studies in fear of failure.
Last time I drew anything was this piece of shit from four years ago using a tablet that I thought would magically give me drawing skills.

I am tired of pretending and saying "yeah m8 I'm learning to draw, I'm not too good yet tho" to anyone who asks me about my creative hobbies.

I know I need to learn to figure draw first of all, but I am not good at just winging it, so I want to follow a path made by someone, who knows what they're doing.

Do you think I should start with the meme LOOMIS, or Betty Edwards, or someone entirely different?

>>3012713
You just described me. fuck

>>3012713
Just start.
Read the sticky if you have not already.

>>3012733
For some reason I expected the response to be more lengthy and informative, but that's just my lazy part trying to get an easy endorphin kick to make me feel better about myself just for talking about how I want to improve again.

This will do, thanks.

I'm still early into learning and practicing drawing, but I lose motivation once I finish something and it lools awful. I have motivation to learn, but it fades when I see how awful i am. How do I stop this?

>>3012741

>>3012747
Every time you see someone is great at drawing it just means they went through that feeling thousands of times. If you look at old works you used to like and now you think they are bad, it means your vision is improving. Just gotta keep moving forward.

>>3012713
read ktd and do draw a box

So once I tried to learn how to draw figures, then I quite after a few weeks of trying. Looking back at my sketches yesterday, I wondered how good I would have been had I kept trying.
So now I'm picking it up again but I forgot absolutely everything.
I now try to copy some parts of Frazetta's works to practice. I was wondering if this is actually a good way to practice or do I really have to go through that damn Loomis book.

ive been drawing my house cat and im starting to get an appreciation for rhythm. everything on a cat is so slick and each part flows into another

the homework tasks for draw a box seem quite excessive
can i get an acceptable understanding of perspective and construction without doing them?

Should RGB to CYMK conversion really only be done in InDesign? Converting to 16bit then Photoshop's own little channel mode switch thing really not good enough? And I'm assuming copy/pasting layers from a RGB file to CYMK file wouldn't work.

>>3012847
CMYK conversion should never be done by the designer, unless you know what color profiles to use to do so. Are you going to use U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2? US Sheetfed coated v2? Do you even know what that is? If you don't, don't touch the color modes, you will be altering the files in ways that could be a disaster.

If you're working in a workflow where you're working with vendors, ALWAYS ask the vendor what to use, and in a lot of cases, they'll send you profiles for their imagesetters, so your files are converted properly, or tell you what profile to use. I always ask my press guys what settings to use, and it saves me and my company a significant amount of money, with no "surprises" happening on press or in proofing.

Copy/pasting into a CMYK file does work, but it translates color on the fly - it will also throw a dialog box at you warning of the color shift, because it can be a really bad idea.

What are you doing that requires CMYK, and what's your experience with it?

BTW - InDesign uses the same profiles that Photoshop does, to convert. I've never heard of letting InDesign convert, in a professional context, because that throws up errors in pre-flight checks. And, you need to have your color settings set up correctly for whatever printer/imagesetter you're targeting, and those setting applied universally to the Creative Suite. If you don't know what that is, don't convert ANYTHING until you know what you're doing.

why am i so fucking awful at measuring

>>3012309
The iris of the eye would be closer to a circle at that angle, not an oval.

The right eye is just mangled. The eyelids don't match the right, the iris is in the wrong place and in the wrong direction, and again, more of a circle. The eyelids are laying over an orb, which dictates the shape of the lids. You would see a distinct curve of the eyeball on the far left of the drawing.

Simplify it. Draw tow circles, that's what the shape the eye is no matter what the angle is. Put the pupil and iris in the same places. Draw them at an angle. Now construct the eyelids around them.

A lot of beginner struggle with this - study references, break it down, LOOK at what you're drawing. What you drew doesn't make sense. Your lack of confidence and knowledge made you draw poorly, keep at it.

>>3012877
Nope, I don't know what any of those are. I made a piece for a small gallery and since I'm so used to working in RGB and not printing anything, I started working in that mode by default. My relative can get a great deal at a printing place so they offered to handle the printing for me, bless them, but I'm overseas and won't be able to view the printed product and evaluate the accuracy of the colors myself. This is all kind of disastrous but I feel it's too late to back out now. Do you think everything will look accurate when printed? Or would they be a little muddy? Would I need to get my relative to explain the situation to the printing service and get them to help out somehow?

When I was copy/pasting the layers it surprisingly wasn't giving me any warnings about color shifts - they appeared to be the same as the RGB document but when viewed in a different program you could see just how wildly different the colors were. It was horrible.

Thank you so much for you advice though. It means a lot to me, I'll definitely keep it in mind.

>>3012928
>Do you think everything will look accurate when printed?

There is absolutely no way to know that, if you can't proof the printing before they run it.

>Would I need to get my relative to explain the situation to the printing service and get them to help out somehow?

Yes. This is absolutely a time when you need to let them know you have NO experience with this, and you need all the information you can get. First question should be, "Can I send a sample(if you have one) and can you correct to that?"

If you're going to be doing printing for clients, you NEED to learn this stuff. You're going to waste a lot of time, money, and clients if you don't. It took me years to learn the ropes working with printing.

Seriously, I would look into killing the job and letting the client print it. You're taking too many chances, and don't have the experience to do this kind of work.

figure drawing = copying poses, gesture of pictures?))

>>3012952
Thank you so, so much.

I drew 250 boxes
someone justify my autism
http://i.imgur.com/tpcPZaa.jpg

>>3013041
i think the main challenge of perspective is having constancy across the whole image. better practice would be drawing multiple boxes in different orientations in the same picture, this forces you to think about how each box should look in relation to the boxes already in the image. you should take your time to calculate angles, quantity means nothing if there is no quality

>>3010245
I dont think you belong in this thread

>>3010160

first times playing with a tablet I fucked up but it was fun

>>3013041
Congrats, you're an idiot who wasted his time on something completely useless. As another anon has said.

>>3013654
anything to postpone the rickety stool

>>3014236
https://youtu.be/fyPixnZggpU

Hey, does anyone have any tips for learning how to draw & write with my non dominant hand? I've been doing a lot of Loomis with my non-dominant hand. I've gotten great at drawing circles, but I still can't write with it. I can spend 2-5 hours on this per day.