/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

/ic/ autistically pays attention to anatomy in porn and will throw a fit if a muscle proportion doesn't fit their standard by 1 centimeter

99% of the internet just faps to whatever shit that can make them cum and probably will just go fap to some 3d sluts rather than hentai anyway

yuri moe is 2010s is as cancerous and unoriginal as like sjw pandering. But no one will think this because were on malaysian weeb forum.

practice both

>>3007128
git gud, so u can maek it lool gud

>>3007128
which art looks better?

>>3007128
It's false, because the anatomy of the left piece is shit.

>>3007128
I dunno man, judge for yourself
I haven't touched realism yet

>>3007139
Way I see it you can draw how a real mouth behaves to learn how a mouth behaves and then apply that when you draw a cartoon mouth, or you can just learn how cartoon mouths behave from cartoons and keep drawing them
first method is the promise of results, second is immediate results
no reason to not do life studies anyway though; studying is fun

>>3007170
What exactly is shit about it?

>>3007177
He's just asshurt that he fell for the olde masters meme

>>3007128

>>3007137
kyle's art is all kinds of uncanny
not a good example of stylisation

>>3007210
why does that fat bitch have abs and what the fuck is up with her shoulder

>>3007235
never gonna make it

>practice old masters
>learn how to nigger up an arm

wew lad

>>3007254
>b-but muh anatomy!!

That artist is a better draftsman than you will ever be.

>>3007254
Drawing's wrong but not as bad as you put it

>>3007254
no normie would even notice such a thing

>>3007128
the artist on the left probably only does gestural studies and copies stuff from reference. getting to the skill level required on the right probably means you wouldn't be versed in the digital trickery and communities that pump out cutesy anime shit like that. it's not very accurate.

I'm assuming they mean anatomy when they're talking about the right so it's true

>>3007254

This thread is basically pic related

asian art is more based on calligraphy

they went from
chinese calligraphy art -> zen art landscapes -> anime

practice your いろはにほへと
ちりぬるをわか
よたれそつねな
らむうゐのおく
やまけふこえて
あさきゆめみし
ゑひもせす
first

>>3007454
her arm is positioning downwards so that's wrong.

>>3007483
lol fuck off weeb

>>3007128
it's not true, but you can learn to do <-- better by doing --> , but you'll find if you only learn <--- you may end up not being able to draw anything but <---

>>3007254
Keked hard

>>3007254
>Weebs will defend this

>>3007128
Learning atanomy are for failures who doesn't know how to draw real anime characters.

>>3007173
I can see very clearly that you haven't touched realism, and are just copying cartoons. Very clearly indeed.

>>3007655
ok congratulations on being able to read

>>3007128
>>3007210
Do not fall to this meme.
Grinding anatomy 24/7 will not teach you how to draw cartoons. You will hate drawing

>>3007685
If you want to draw animu grinding some anatomy does help, but only if you actively apply it to your animu artwork. You can't just draw 1000 figure studies and expect to draw perfect big tiddy anime girls, you have to constantly be applying that knowledge to your stylized works as you learn realism.

>>3007216
kyle's art looks like traced 3d models

>>3007687
I knew how to draw animu before I learned realism. My Realism art was shit and my anime art was about the level of OP's image.

>>3007685
they're helpful for certain things like hands, legs, general proportions, and such. Plus, you can start moving stuff around and exaggerating features when you know how stuff works.

>>3007128
You don't need to know that much detail, just the bigger bones and muscle groups. Perspective and geometry are far more important.

>>3007502
Wrists can bend and cloth naturally curves with gravity. However it does bend a bit too far to be comfortable realistically. It is stylized in a way to accentuate the "holding" quality of that arm, to sell an impression that the girl on the right is really giving a firm hug, by casting the direction of force orthogonal to the page and counter to the pull of gravity.

>>3007702
it would have been better if the hugger wrapped their arm a bit tighter or they were closer so the you could at least see more of the forearm in that pic tho

>>3007680
life drawing only teaches rendering, it can't teach imagination, it actually hinders it

>>3007698
How does your anime art look now after learning realism? Mind posting someone else's art, that is close to your current level?

You won't be able to do either if you don't draw.

>>3007688
they are not traced and don't look much traced
the main issue is the head/body details not matching, and that the figures are lifeless dolls.

>>3007769
Who is Kyle?

>>3007830
you're mom

xd

>>3007173
I noticed a huge improvement on my stylised draws (including anime) after spending some months studying from naturalism.
I would highly recommend you to open your mind to the possibility of doing so...
I think there is a big difference between imitating the way something is done, and knowing why something is done on a certain way

>>3007173
It's obvious when you don't try real people and just jump into cartoony shit. Draw from life, make gesture and anatomy studies, learn the basics (actually LEARN them, don't just skim over them thinking you got them because you don't), and only then attempt to make you waifu.

>>3007856
But that is how most people quit. I'm not saying don't learn the basics, but most manga/anime and cartoon artist kept drawing what they like WHILE they studied the basics. I think it's a big mistake to not draw what you want while studying because then you a) have a harder time seeing the fruits of your labor, and b) have a hard time applying your studies when drawing from imagination.

>>3007843
Underage faggot detected, summer is really here.

>>3007680
>i will never be as good as yoshinari

Holy shit I can't believe the shit in this thread. No wonder none of you will ever fucking make it.

Drawing from life and learning anatomy helps inform you on how things work. Once you understand how things work, you can apply it to whatever you desire without a problem from imagination, be it a realistic painting or a drawing of your big tittied anime waifu.

"Style" is literally just your personal interpretation of reality through symbols. Once you understand how reality works, stylization becomes easier ---> your anime shit will look better.

Just study and don't beat around the bush like everyone on /ic/ seems to fucking do.

>>3007707
Do you not see how stupid that is.

The difference between drawing from life and from photo reference is the 3D space. Life drawing teaches sense of space, it has nothing to do with rendering.
It can't hinder imagination, all it does is expand your visual library on whatever subject you're drawing, though stylization has to be practiced separately.

>>3007856
>don't draw what you like until X

This is the dumbest /ic/ meme. Draw whatever the fuck you want. What damage will a bad drawing do anyhow? Even if it's shit, you have to get used to that anyway as you will have tons of shit drawings. Save it and compare later to see your improvement.
Of course studying is useful, but you will learn better if you are learning how to apply it.

>>3007897
It's just newfags spooked over the Proko can't into imagination meme.

>>3007886
not with that attitude!

>>3007918
Remember kids, "don't make the same mistake (I did), don't wait 10 years to start drawing from imagination".

>>3007916
post work.

>>3007918
I never understood why he didn't just draw out the "skeleton" before making that abomination. I do that shit all the time when I'm trying to do anything.

Fucking Christ. The point that the OP is trying to make is that you must first study the fundamentals of drawing human beings - from perspective and form to anatomy and proportions. They're not saying you have to be able to do a life model study and get everything perfect. You just have to understand the fundamentals.

Also, anatomy includes how the joints work. I'd recommend also studying how muscle masses follow joints since your arms' muscles all change places based on how your wrist is rotated; this will help when drawing muscular fuckers.

Also, study the wrist-hand correlation A LOT.

>>3007897
>>3007916
>>3007915
>>3008057


Who the fuck are? Post work

>reddit

>spacing

>>3007128
why would you want to draw ugly flat japanese doodles when you can make great drawings like on the right?

>>3008146
Because it's fucking boring.

>>3008150
yeah then how about developing it into your own style instead of autistically following the most highly stereotypical and unimaginative drawing style ever

>>3007866
Because the results will please you instead of thinking you're shit, which will lead to giving up. I'm not saying you have to be an expert, just that you can make decent construction.

>>3007916
Stop crying and study. Of course you can draw your catgirls but unless you put actual effort into learning, they'll always be bad.

If you want to discover your own style and not have it look like shit you have to be able to draw realistically.

If you want to ape someone else's style then you still need to study but only as far as mastering gesture, form and perspective. If you're just going to draw weeb shit then it comes down to learning what symbols to draw.

Drawing from life and doing studies can help with drawing animu as long as you apply it in a way that makes sense. If you don't have any anatomy knowledge you shouldn't be surprised if your anime figures end up wonky

>>3007128
>you MUST
not necessarily. but it can help.

>>3007916
If you start drawing with crappy proportions and can't do gestures and fundamental shit, you're gonna fall into some bad habits that are very hard to move away from. That's the harm

>>3007707
you're a fucking idiot lmao

>>3008277

This has some truth to it. When I first started learning anatomy 20 years ago I had an anime figurine that I studied and drawed from life a lot. It had very stylized proportions with ridiculously long legs. It formed a habit that I still to this day slip back into of drawing the legs too long if I'm not careful.

>>3008331
post that fig

>>3007173
i'm confused with your dates you put under your drawings. Like did you stop improving?I think you need to practice with hair, clothing, texture,hands and your lineart looks off.

>>3008331
ikr, i always end up doing big ol' anime eyes on sketches if i'm not careful, from a billion years of doodling anime girls

>>3007454
correct. The first faggot thought the other girl's arm was part of the girl on the right's arm because he's a complete retard who's ngmi.

>>3008336

Motoko from GITS, based on the manga not the anime version if I remember correctly. Don't have it still

>>3008344
I think its a day/month/year format

>>3008354
I would suggest you look at the shoulder position, does that still make sense? That one is wrong.

>>3007454

So she just shattered her forearm?

Look at where the forearm is pointing.

>>3008366
I would suggest you quit while you're ahead because you're ngmi either.

>>3008370
someone already said that's ripple in her sweater.

fucking retards I tell ya.

>>3008377
If thats a ripple in her sweater then it would suggest that it's not just a shoulder, but the other half of her bust. This would make that correction completely wrong.

>>3008277
Drawing what you want to draw at any point is better than trying to force study.

The key is taking what you draw and trying to understand what needs to be fixed with it. You won't be able to do well with anatomy unless you draw something first and say "Well, that doesn't look right."

If you want to draw your waifu, then draw you're waifu. Just understand that once you draw that waifu, you could draw her even better if you figure out what you're doing wrong, and the only way you can do that is by studying the shortcomings you see.

That's going to make you a better artist. Draw what you like, figure out what you're doing wrong, and drawing to fix it. This is then supplemented by the act of study.

Study is not a prereq for drawing.

>>3007128
i made this like four years ago i can't believe it still gets replies.

>>3008435
Was it worth it

>to be able to jerkoff you must first be able to make orgasm a pornstar.
Makes sense.

>>3008435
You made the old man or the animu?

>>3008464
Why not both?

http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Drawing-Anime-Style

It's true but sometimes misconstrued by /ic/


A better phrasing is:
>To be able to do this (anime), you must do both (anime and life)

You can't create solid stylized drawings without studying life.
You can't create solid stylized drawings just by studying life.

There isn't some magical point of being "good enough" that one must reach in order to move on to drawing anime.
Do both it's not that hard.

Preaching to the choir I know.

>>3007254
Please tell me you're not being serious.

>>3008555
Why did you edit the face all wonky

>>3008628
Because even if your anime is shit you still gotta keep drawing that shit anime in order to eventually make good anime (which the "to be able to do this" example isn't in my opinion, but just keeping up with the format)

>>3008555
>You can't create solid stylized drawings without studying life.

Simply not true. Most comic book artists, asian and western alike, learned their craft primarily by COPYING and IMITATING the works of other comic book artists. Many proficient comic book artists have pretty bad life drawings. They are two skill sets. It's in the end a matter of specialization in the type of work you want to produce. I've spent years in an atelier setting and met a lot of artist who draw amazingly beautiful figures from life. Yet they couldn't draw a attractive stylized figure if their life depended on it.

This whole meme comes from a misguided romantic notion of "just learn the basics bro" which then will magically allow you to create good art of any style.

>>3008648
You think that copying is the only thing those comic book artists did?

>>3008648
>>3008648
>primarily
So they did study life as well?

Gee it's almost like we're agreeing.

Also I don't know who these artists are and how you can know that they haven't studied life, or if they're even good.

>>3007454
now her arm is very short and has a broken wrist

I came back after years and you guys still falling for this meme?

>>3008757
I can't believe people are still falling for the '/ic/ will make you better at drawing' meme, really.

>>3008555
nah, you can draw up to a certain level without learning much from life. i think OPs image is also at the top of that range imo. the range where you just wing your way through everything and manage to create average looking stuff.
the drawing in the right of your image is probably above that range.

to be really good, you do have to study a lot. but then again, you don't necessarily have to study it in that exact way. you just have to understand what you're studying, be it the human body or whatever else.

Anyone not retarded that follows GOOD japanese artists knows those fuckers are usually gods at anatomy, figure, gesture and even realism. You might be able to get to "decent" pin up level anime drawing by not practicing anatomy and the fundamentals, but you are out of your goddamn mind if you think you can be a serious artist without grinding those skills for days.

>>3008791
Okay how the fuck do all these artists draw all those straight likes like that? Do they use a ruler or something?

Personally I do believe you have to study from life in order to stylize effectively. The whole "you must know the rules before you can break them effectively" thing. As cliche as it is, it's true. If you don't learn hot bodies work and move, the basics of proportion, and how facial expressions work, you're not going to be able to stylize convincingly.

I'm not saying you have to learn every bone and interior muscle, but it does require an understanding of gross anatomy and how things change and react. Even if you don't add the detail, the fundamental forms and movement needs to be lifelike to really make it feel alive.

My personal favorite example of this is two things from Disney. Both are stylizations of deer. The first is from Snow White. The people had a vague idea of what deer looked like, and then animated a deer. We read it kindof as a deer but it's not very convincing. It looks like a stuffed animal, not a living creature. The baby deer in particular is very blobby.
https://youtu.be/mIwa9sPFT5I?t=29
Watch from 0:30 to 1:00.

And then Disney went on to do Bambi. The studied deer, both adults and babies, extensively, bringing animals into the studio to really learn how they moved. The resulting deer are still very stylized, but move and feel very realistic. Their proportions are lifelike, the babies have a very real leggy awkwardness that deer have.
https://youtu.be/NPMu3XeoL7I?t=36
From 0:36 to 2:00 really shows the range of motion that this scene has.

Even though it's not strictly "necessary" to have this accuracy, it lends a realism to the Bambi deer that the Snow White deer simply don't have. They feel real, they feel alive. And this is what studying from life provides.
If your drawings don't act real, there's always going to be a dissonance. Unless it's particularly egregious, it won't ruin the work. But it still will cause it to lack a certain something. Realism is more effort, though. Its up to you to find the balance between speed and accuracy.

>>3008371
>t. assmad weebsperging anon

Have another wew worthy red line.
Artist is shit at hidden anatomy.

>>3008797
When you work with ink as much as Inoue and his assistants do, line confidence is guaranteed.

>>3008814
Retard alert.

>>3008809
>bambi's mom's calve muscles

>>3007725
It looks somewhere around this level I suppose. I'm not very good at gauging my current level.

>>3008823
prove me wrong then, homo

>>3008829
Thanks for replying. I think both the OP and the image you posted look pretty good, though I'm just a beginner and haven't started to seriously study anatomy yet.

>>3007254
you realize the arm you redlined is not the girl in the pinks, but the girl in the blue, right? you just connected two different arms.

>>3008898
No, it's the girl in the pink's arm. As you can see a part of the hood is exposed on the right side. This would suggest that is her whole shoulder. In order for her shoulder to be in that placement, the arm is further right from the hood. I hope you don't think her right shoulder could possibly be that small when compared to her left shoulder, or that she's some freak that doesn't have the right part of her chest and it's only an arm...

>>3008906
I'm pretty sure that her arm is supposed to be hidden behind the hood. The skin visible there belongs to the girl in blue, and is the arm that comes up behind pink girl's head

>>3007210
The right looks like a loli.

>>3007462
Pretty accurate.

>>3008913
I am aware of the blue girl's arm. look at yourself in the mirror, do the same positioning, do you see how large your shoulder is?

>>3008942
it's ok to be wrong, anon

why not both

>>3008949

>>3008913
I can't believe I have to explain this shit this much.

>>3009018
The fucked up part is that I'm being forced to rationalize a small nitpick on a drawing I actually think is pretty cute.
Fuck you guys, seriously.

>>3009026
>rationalize a small nitpick on a drawing I actually think is pretty cute.


>anime
>cute

>>3009026
>small nitpick
try again mate

>>3007707

Depends on how you do it. If all you do is sight-size, then maybe it's not helpful for imagination. However, if you sight-size and construct forms like the Draw a box exercises, then it will help a lot.

>>3007707
confirmed for never having done life drawing

>>3009018
>arm outline moving in this direction

???

Nigger you are so dumb, her arm is clearly going straight down, look at her shoulder. From the elbows go straight to the shoulder, don't make a random L shape you retard.

>>3009073
i've done plenty of life drawing back in my time, kid. you are putting it on a pedestal cause someone (teacher or the book) told you it's a good practice. that's called being gullible. maybe when you grow up you'll learn to think for yourself.

>>3009060
real artists don't draw boxes, mate. those with real talent just draw the owl, so to speak.

>>3009111

>i've done plenty of life drawing back in my time, kid.
>maybe when you grow up you'll learn to think for yourself.

I know you think calling someone 'kid' lends you some sort of mature authority, but it actually just makes you sound like a fedora who's desperately trying to muster mature authority. It reeks of tryhard.

Besides, back in my time we ate boys like you for breakfast at life drawing, kid. You little chumps didn't stand a chance.... heh, maybe that's why you're so afraid of it...... nothin personnel

>>3007685
No, it won't, but learning anatomy will give you an idea of what actual muscle masses exist, and what needs to be exaggerated in a cartoon style. Muscles are not just random lumps - the biceps are a shape, on a specific part of the arm, and while a cartoonist might blow them way out of proportion for a superhero, it still requires the knowledge that there's a muscle there, and it begins and ends in specific places, and what shape it will take flexed, or loose.

>>3007254
>>3007454
>>3008814
>>3009018
What the fuck are you people doing.

It's a little wonky but nothing near as retarded as you're making it out to be.

>>3009114

They're able to draw while thinking the owl is in a box.

>>3009291
The hand on the blue girl's back looks off in that case

The best of manga show an INSANE ammount of draftsmanship.
If you look at INNOCENT and INNOCENT ROUGE by Sakamoto Shinichi it's basically insanity how much quality he is able to pour into his pages for a biweekly manga.

>>3009577
This manga is one of those cases where I dont even believe /ic/ has enough Dunning–Kruger to talk shit about it.

>>3009291
Thank you I read this earlier and couldn't understand how people where so retarded.

>>3009577
>nitpicking an artist for his point
Yet I can name 20 other mangakas who look mediocre even with a full team working for them

Manga/Anime is eye candy made to be fast and cute dont act like most of them require insane skill

The weeb shill is sure strong on this board

>>3009291
I can't believe how much trash was posted before this redline.

>>3008464

Can't you read? He made the old man first, then the anime.

Can someone name a few japanese artists that draw stylized/cute manga without a lot of excessive detail and shading yet have solid construction and anatomy?

>>3009618
shadman

>>3009618
Yoshinari Yoh

>>3009291
Can I have your brush? It looks neat

>>3009618
0033 on pixiv

>>3009711
Im not sure about this, but the little guy look weird, like the horizon is in diferent levels.
probably you got him there because it wouldnt fit anywhere else in the picture.

>>3009716
He does a lot of redlines so my guess would be that they're not part of the same scene but instead he is illustrating how to construct the iron giant like a human and vice versa

>>3009710
puu sh / wbG9k / ae108480ce.abr

Daily reminder to never click links from strangers but here you go

>>3009718
That make sense

>>3009583
not that guy.
>Manga/Anime is eye candy made to be fast and cute dont act like most of them require insane skill
it takes skill to draw period. as you can see with the truckload of actually mediocre artists on the net that can't get it right.
don't act like manga is easy to draw either.

>>3007504
he's right tho

practicing japanese calligraphy improved my line quality and helped me with proportions and thinking ahead before making a mark

>>3009720
That's a really sexy brush, did you make it or did it came from a pack?

>>3009291
You've made her humerus too long. Also her wrist is broken. Also now her pelvis is a fork lift.

And I don't know if anybody has pointed this out, but blue girl's eye is coming out the side of her head.

>>3009815
you're fucking retarded. humerus's and other body parts are allowed to be oddly shaped ormove irregularly. it's a fucking cartoon.

>>3009577
>>3009578
Meh

>>3009778
Came in a pack. It's either in rutkowski's or Jama Jurabaev's brushpacks.

>>3009815
>You've made her humerus too long. Also her wrist is broken. Also now her pelvis is a fork lift.

I know the humerus is disproportional, the redline isn't a correction, just an attempt to showcase the general anatomy behind the froms in a way that makes the most sense. Like I said it is a little wonky. The wrist is in a reasonable angle and isn't overstepping it's range of motion. Not necessarily comfortable but not broken either.

Not sure what you mean by a fork lift, if you're referring to the size then anime girls can have pretty insane hips. Either way I did fuck up the hidden thigh somewhat by angling and rotating it incorrectly (I have the calf directly underneath the thigh when it should be to the side and back). Fixing it would also allow for smaller hips.


>And I don't know if anybody has pointed this out, but blue girl's eye is coming out the side of her head.
I wouldn't start applying too strict anatomical criticism to an anime face. With the body you can be more strict since "anime style" is more realistic in that regard than most cartoony styles, but the face is pretty much "muh style" area in most cases. I don't think the eye is a problem.

>>3009618
The guy who draws hero academia.

>>3009838
Are we posting 10/10 tier manga artists now?

>meanwhile western comic art is hacks tracing over collages of stock photos and dunning kruger neckbeards jacking off to it

>>3009882
What's wrong with using references?

>>3009940
There's a difference between using references and straight up tracing shit.
Straight up tracing shit without construction gives your art that funky "collage" vibe, where it's a bunch of flat cardboard cutouts that dont interact with each other.

Everything greg land does is a terrifying frankenstein abomination of stuff he pasted together in photoshop, ran a filter over and then traced.

>>3009618
Dowman Sayman and this guy:
http://michinoku800.tumblr.com

>>3009578
>>3009577

holy fuck this looks amazing

>>3010011
If you look it up make sure to read uncompressed scanlations, there is so much detail in the linework that reading a heavily compressed jpg doesnt do it justice.

>>3009706

Where is this from?

>>3010799

>>3007137
>realistic body with cartoony anime head

It's like the kirby with real feet meme.

Can we just be happy that were not /p/? That place is absolute garbage now. I don't know who is the leader out of the art boards, /3/ or /gd/?

>>3009291
this is right, eveyone else is stupid as hell

>>3008814
holy shit never redline again.

>>3007128
not true at all, second is only required if you wanna do something realistic, ex: Vagabond attached

>>3010817

sankyu

>>3007128
not true at all.

it's v valuable if you ever want to be able to draw anything outside of symbols you've learned, or can reference from existing work tho. it helps your ability to visualize volumes in 3D, which makes drawing a broad range of things from imagination, much easier

>>3011700

You are wrong. Even if you want to draw simplified and stylized forms like anime you can't do it successfully without prior knowledge that is embodied in realism.

>>3007128
Someday I'll be the worlds greatest loli artists

>>3012098
not true, its more about basic shapes, than actual human anatomy.

you need a basic understanding of it, sure but not down to the bone and details.

>>3007137
This makes me uncomfortable

>>3007128
don't fall for the meme

>>3007128
very true, thing on the right is only 2-3 years in

>>3012243
Fsugoi

>>3007680
>>3007886
>Mangastyle

This board is full with Weeaboos. Go on Youtube, it's full with girls and underage "Artists" who can draw shit like jrpg characters.

>>3007128
study anatomy read loomis GIT GUD!

>>3012243
source on artist?

>>3012388
Post a couple videos if it's so easy

>>3007149
left because i could just take a photo that portrays the right but better

>>3008128

>You

>Fucking

>Made

>Up

>That

>Meme

Fuck off, you autistic shitbag. Read the fucking words and keep scrolling.

>>3008128
wow, looks like somebody's insecure.

its common sense to learn fundamentals and nobody gives a shit about reddit spacing memes fucking newfag

>>3008815
Or you do what literally every mangaka does and use those fucking action line rub-on sheets. Which I can guarantee is what he does,
even as talented as he is. Deadlines and shit,
my dude.

>>3012961

Bait.

>>3008797
toothbrushes are an amazing tool for ink lines. just brush with it very lightly for a wood like texture, or use a more sturdy brush like a steel tooth brush to get those straight as fuck edges.

also rulers are a thing.

>>3013122
bump for great steel tooth brush tip

>>3012926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DIT2QtFcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H_Bz4ylNfg

Manga is cancer

>>3007128
>"i wanna be a manga artist"

>>3013707

Seems like you're just upset they're more popular than you

>>3013719
yep, absolutly!

>>3013713
>I wanna be a "concept artist" for MtG

>>3007707
>Being this unironically retarded

>>3012388
This

to break away from all the shitposting, is the level of detail and precision of the right image really necessary beyond competitive portfolio fodder? you can still understand the underlying structure of a skull without being rembrandt

>>3014465
Yeah, the better you understand the level of detail and precision, the better you understand how to represent it elsewhere. Showing it through a drawing like Rembrandt is the most straightforward way that you understand what another person is doing, but you can understand it in your head and don't have to show like that which is what's okay. It's the difference between you knowing and what other know.

>>3007128
>>3007139
If you want to draw something original then yes, if you are copying something then no. Now that i have seen the picture on the left i could for the next hour replicate it, but if i wanted to draw it a few days from now or change the perspective / pose i wouldn't be able to without the ability to draw the left.

correction, i wouldn't be able to draw it well.

>>3007483
Anime art style comes from Disney mate

>>3014697
>disney was one of the first animations done
>anime is based off of animation which disney is at the root of
Oh shit what. How is this possible?
Anyways, they branched off and did they own thing at some point right?

>>3014700
just look up early anime stuff, it's derivative of what disney was doing.

>>3014702
I don't even know what early anime is. Is that the 50s?

>>3014704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eAasFJS9SE

>>3009199
thank you for contributing to my collection

>>3007210
What's wrong with them?
They both looked gross

LOOMIS

>>3014697
Disney was copying Winsor McCay, who was part of Art Nouveau, which was an offshoot of Japonisme, which was a bunch of French people imitating Japanese woodblock prints and sumi-e.

Don't play this game.

>>3016295
Except Disney artstyle looks nothing whatsoever like Japanese woodblock prints, so whatever they "copied" from the artstyles who imitated japanese woodblock prints, it couldn't have been very much.

>>3016308
Modern anime style doesn't bear much resemblance to Disney either, so what's the point of mentioning it?

You probably should do it, but it's also soul crushing to spend hours doing meticulous studies when you want to be doing cute doodles instead.

>>3014697
who gives a fuck, your beloved Disney is dead

>>3016588
You don't know the meaning of soul crushing when you realize all those meticulous studies and hours of grinding where for absolutely nothing if you cannot conjure the simplest doodles from imagination.

>>3016588
You don't know the meaning of soul crushing until you realize when all those meticulous studies and hours of grinding where for absolutely nothing if you cannot conjure the simplest doodles from imagination.

>>3013863
>>3013707
>>3013713
>>3013729
>>3012388.
Samefag

>>3016596
Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. Spending tons of effort on something tangentially related to what you want to do is awful. It's why starting with Loomis leads to quitting so often.

I think having at least a rudimentary understanding can aid you to improve your artwork. Even if you're a hobbyist, understanding can ultimately make creating what you want easier. You have a frame of reference.

https://twitter.com/Runesael/status/853870532642701312

>>3016622

This.

No matter what discipline, experts MASTER the fundamentals first.

>>3007254
NGMI

>>3016632
>experts MASTER the fundamentals first.
Wew

>>3016945

Crips or bloods?

>>3016622
This is right but there's a big difference between having solid fundamentals and doing 4 years of intensive fine arts study before you attempt to draw anything other than geometric shapes or a life study.

>>3007685
Yeah, let's not listen to the guy who actually knows how to draw.

>>3017855
you mean the shitty sketch?

>>3007128
It's not true. You can learn drawing cartoons by just drawing cartoons. Obviously you need to know a bit of anatomy, but you'll be fine if you just remember the basic shapes that make up a cartoon body. However, if you do just that, it's easy to back yourself into a corner and lose freedom when drawing. So sprinkling in a bit of realistic drawing can't hurt.