/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Ayyyylmao shart face

>>2984882
He went to Repin for this shit?

What the fuck.

>>2984882
its more about the concept i guess
like photo-bashing.
who cares about the process really, as long as theyre not pretending to have painted it from start to finish

>>2984893
can we create a patreon account with this methods and gain 2k per week?

>>2984898
If you want? Yes.

Why fucking care? Envy?

>>2984938
Nop, i want

Create a comparable portrait design and you will get a lot of notices. Do it consistently and you will make money and internet fame.

If it were easy to make something so polished and appealing youd be doing it.

>>2984882
Because most people don't know how it's made. They just know they couldn't do it and they like the look. Simple really. But you also need to build up a fan base which is hard work and some luck with timing.

If you think you can do it then what's stopping you to test it out? There are plenty of good photos to choose from.

>>2984882
Welcome to the world.

>>2984952

>If it were easy to make something so polished and appealing youd be doing it.

Personally I don't get as morally outraged about that shit as most of /ic/ and acknowledge it requires some sort of skillset to make Irakli / this person tier photo manipulations, but that's still a stupid statement.

No, I wouldn't. It's not all about the (you)s for some people. It's easy to trace, too, but most people don't, because they'd feel like a cheat, and it would diminish the achievement.

>>2984972
I make my "stupid statement" because it applies to the average. Your anonymous right now faggot. You are the typical person as far as Im concerned. And if you could do it, make the money and receive the fame, you'd do it.

Until you can prove otherwise, all you will ever be in this context is the average. I have no faith in you and I wont take you at your word.

gosh, there was a big drama involving this girl because she was caught tracing art and photos and making profit out of it through patreon and commissions

she took all the charm of the original model and turned it into a generic looking semi-realistic girl

but, at least this time she's not taking all the credit for it and is honest about the paintover part

>>2985048
She's been caught tracing multiple times and was forced to delete her accounts and start over with a new name at least twice. She jumps back and forth between tracing the styles of whoever is popular on deviantart. She's done it to Zeronis, Ilya, Loish, and Sakimichan. She can't draw for shit without heavy reference.

She's now changed her username from Numyumy to Numyart to get away from the most recent tracing accusations.

>>2984882
>Nobody cares

If you're trying to impress your fellow peers and other artists and art historians then this is an issue for you but if you are trying to impress plebs and non-artists then who cares

>>2984977
Not this anon but I fucking bet I can get famous by doing what numynumy did. I'll reveal myself too and screenshot it.

>>2984952
But it's literally a photo with out of place animu eyes. It's not even a photo study, it's a direct photo paintover.

>>2985102
but, but, but i bet you cant make a career out of creating similar paintovers. try it, see if you can make designs as popular as hers. it should be easy money right? you can just rake in the cash and live the good life. its that simple eh?

this is just graphic design/illustration/viscomm 101 and you lames cant handle it because shes getting some shine.

yeah its not traditional art. people are drooling over it and you're jelly

>>2985133
>you can just rake in the cash and live the good life. its that simple eh?

She doesn't rake in the cash though. I think you are a bit confused here. Instagram likes are not a currency.

>>2985146
graphic design / illustration 101 is to paint uncanny anime eyes on top of photographs? You should ask for your money back wherever you took your graphic design / illustration 101.

>>2985170

stop assuming everyone online besides you is an idiot

of course i dont have sales numbers here and neither do you. if shes regularly hitting that kind of social media activity the money is there for the taking. very, very few artists have that kind of following.

>>2985174
lol you dont understand nuance at all do you?

design is different than fine art... you can describe the aforementioned image in however many negative terms you like but the fact is its basic, solid design and the evidence of its achievement as a design is in its extreme popularity.

and I mean extreme. you could never make something as appealing. you would try, fail, and be left missing the point as always

>>2985146
am i gonna make it

>>2985184
I totally do get the appeal of artists who are far more popular than that chick though. Like Sakimichan or Cyarine. They understand appealing design and know how to capitalize on it. This artist however is just drawing anime eyes on top of photographs and you can pretend all you want that it's "design" but at the end of the day, everything appealing about this image is thanks to the photographer and the model.

>>2985180
What kind of job can she be hired to do with her skillset though? I mean, I doubt there is a big market for people sending the artist photos and then getting them sent back with a filter on top and slightly bigger eyes. But even if there was, it's probably not gonna pay nearly as much as you think it does because it would be the kind of entry level private commissions that any professional freelance artist loathes to do.

The only way artists like this can make a decent living is via patreon and print sales and even the master of this shit Irakli isn't doing all that hot on that front compared to most other professionals.

It's just a portrait/photobash thing.

I think it looks pretty cool and she's got lots of lineart on her Instagram.

She deserves the attention she gets because it's pretty neat

>>2985188
yes, that is design...

you might not like it, you may give all the credit to the photographer of the original image but that is normal.

studios wont give a shit. working with a photo is the norm. in fact they will value what you can do with a photo, and how much you impress the public with post work.

you know what matters? views, likes, shares, popularity, your shit locked onto the public mind. put your gallery that no ones ever looked at up in your portfolio and see how studios want to invite you in the door.

>>2985194
that is some naive shit man.

you can and will get hired by design studios in major cities if you make a name for yourself. it's been that way for years. theres a lot more going on in the piece than just anime eyes.

no its not sophisticated on some fine art level, like ive been saying, but its an overall proficient display of photoshop ability. which is easy as we should all know, but thats all it takes to get in the door along with popularity.

seriously. nike will hire you freelance right now to do a shitty splash with lebron james on it if you have a big enough following.

>>2985203
>seriously. nike will hire you freelance right now to do a shitty splash with lebron james on it if you have a big enough following.

For what purpose? No matter how popular an artist, their following is utterly insignificant compared to the popularity nike already has through Lebron James or any other athlete superstar. 18k likes on instagram is literally nothing in the world of marketing, it just looks like a lot for artists.

>>2985200
You don't seem to understand at all how the entertainment industry works. Studios don't need the pitiful followers of a popular artist to sell their product. Their product is already more popular than the artist could ever hope to be in a thousand years. You think if Disney hires concept artists for their newest blockbuster movie, they give a shit about how many followers their artists have on instagram when 1 trailer on youtube or facebook already gives them tens of millions of views?

>>2985200
>studios wont give a shit. working with a photo is the norm. in fact they will value what you can do with a photo

Exactly, but anime eyes aren't usually very high on their priority list of what they're looking for when hiring artists proficient in photo manipulation and photobashing. Also, I'm not sure you are aware of this, but most studios have NDA laws meant to PREVENT artists from posting their professional work online unless its hand-selected promotional material by the studio or the NDA gets lifted after the product is released.

>>2985212

not related to numy but

athletic wear and plenty of differently geared corporations will literally hire a designer based on popularity to do a one-off photobash FX explosion splash page for any reason on a whim. it doesnt take some master design skill, you just need to be known for making that kind of work. its been that way for over a decade.

i dont know about this numy person, they might get hired to make some female gamer shit or teenage book covers or something uber kitsch like that

>>2985067
In cases like this, why would it not cross this person's mind to search into the things that Loish, Zeronis, and Saki were heavily influenced by? Instead of tempting fate by copying works that are already well known by the crowd they're appealing to

>>2984977
I'm not that anon but you're a retard. I agreed with your first post to some extent but I also think
>>2984972
This anon has a fair point as well.

The part that bothers people is that while people like this pimp out quicker art like this by taking shortcuts, people who do everything 100% by hand (so to speak) often get ignored because normies are more impressed by this kind of shit, and an artist shouldn't have to compromise to pursue art as a career (in the case of just getting famous/money off your own work. commercial work is a different story).

>>2985273
kek

that's...pretty much the way she made money through commissions in the past, the only difference is that in that time she never admitted to paint over the reference photos, if I remember well, she posted like 5+ commissions like this and they costed around $300-$500 each, so yeah, there's a market for this shit

>>2984972
>It's easy to trace, too, but most people don't, because they'd feel like a cheat, and it would diminish the achievement.
NGM, this tells me you don't draw. The best of the best artists all trace, this is how their work manages to top out tge rest of the fodder, pic related. The shitty artists don't trace, they put out mediocre work, never achieve fame, and jealously put down those who have.

No rules, just tools. Let go of your ego. This isn't a dick measuring contest.

>it would diminish the achievement
Top fucking kek

>>2985705
How fast do you think she can do these?

>>2985067
Is this the Art equivalent of popular music?

the original photographer had her take it down lmao

>>2985898
the one posted by OP said in the description that it took her 4 hours, I don't know how fast she used to do the ones for her past commissions but assuming it's the same process then it should have taken around the same amount of time

>>2985203
false this guy hasnt worked in the business, ignore this misleading troll

why do you even care about this fucking garbage

>>2986107
It gives the perception that you won't make it unless you do these things

>>2985273
>The part that bothers people is that while people like this pimp out quicker art like this by taking shortcuts, people who do everything 100% by hand (so to speak) often get ignored because normies are more impressed by this kind of shit, and an artist shouldn't have to compromise to pursue art as a career (in the case of just getting famous/money off your own work. commercial work is a different story).
If your art is not being noticed, it's because it's shit.
Nobody wants to see perfect renditions of the human body on abnormal compositions with complex perspective.
People want something to be enfranchised with, and no shit it's easier to get people to notice you by painting a pretty girl with big ass eyes because people like pretty people. Art "skills" are worthless by themselves. People won't even notice how perfectly well you know every bone and muscle in the body if the piece at hand doesn't tell a story worth looking at.

Photography killed naturalism, you either do something /p/ can't do or you'll never make it.

>Post your work.
>Post your work.

fake shit will always do better than good art because most people on earth are a. retarded and b. have no taste or knowledge in art whatsoever. why do you think all these fake photoshopped instagram models get the most likes and followers.

t. Jealous, talentless fucks who gave up practicing in favor of shitting on other people

>>2985851
>pic related

Here's the photo, then his painting, then a paint-over by a fan. He referenced heavily from the source but had the skill to alter anything to fit his whim.

That being said, you're totally correct in saying that plenty of great artists and painters traced.
In the case of Numynumy, she's making money out of other people artworks - yet I think it should be a concern to those artists rather than us, this thread sounds a lot like jelly.

Some people ITT are butthurt about using this as a shortcut to popularity, they don't realize that they shouldn't be, in the long run it doesn't matter for their own career.
They'll never compete with the artists drawing ugguuu kawai grrl portraits, it's akin to a cat complaining that crows have it too easy, eating corpses instead of hunting.

>>2988047
>>2987816
>>2987777

>post werk
>jelly

I see many of the posters in here as equally dishonest no matter what side they represent in the it's good/it's bad view.

On one hand there are without a doubt a crowd on /ic/ who seem to think (what it looks most like to me at least) that it's all about shitposting and tearing down what could in their mind be potential threat to their imaginary future internet fame.

On the other hand I honestly find this artists work uninspiring and contrary to the belief in here of some that everyone share the same news sources I didn't know about her until I saw this thread (There's likely a link between those two facts). I don't care if she has traced or used photos. Photo elements can bring good results if used properly as a paint underlay. All I can really do if I want to contribute to the OP's question is to point out my own perspective. But you can't really do that if it goes against the fans perception without getting drowned in "ur jelly" and "post werk" comments.

"Post werk" is hilarious though because it's like saying you can only critique art if you can create something better yourself and it plays along with the impression that the one posting "post werk" is a mindless lemming.

This place is for art critique. If you don't like the critique then question it instead of attacking the person's motives.

>>2988047
No his work is completely different from Numy's. Numy is a shit artist that is a crippled to the point they can't even draw on their own. That man had constant deadlines and he was never a little bitch who denied he traced, from the start he admitted he would trace his own photographs as a guide before painting. The thing is many famous artist actually don't trace at all, news flash. Numy is just your average scam artist, they show up everywhere in any field.

>>2988339
>The thing is many famous artist actually don't trace at all, news flash.

>from the start he admitted he would trace his own photographs as a guide before painting.

Well, which is it.

Many famous artists have in fact traced, and even STOLEN from other artists. Hell, tracing is a common practice is comic books. You'd know this of you'd actually gone to art school. Hell, there's even an hour long interview video on YT in Japanese where they talk to famous mangaka and examine their workflow, and many are blatantly open about the fact that they ink over photos for backgrounds, or use other photobash techniques.

Learning to trace properly is a skill all to its own. No rules, just tools.

Like, if you're genuinely butthurt over other people tracing due to a sense of ego... then I got news for you pal. Not only that, but if your pride is impeding you from using these techniques to improve your own work then you genuinely will NOT make it. Clients don't give a fuck about the process, they care about the end result. If your end result comes out better using these techniques, then you're a fool for not using them.

>>2988047
gross the fan that did the paintover sucks so bad, should hace just whacked some photoshop filters on there, if thats how he paint.

>>2988047
>>2988393
same, thought it looked like a photoshop filter

>>2988375

>Too enlightened for d/ic/ks

>>2988375
You are literally autistic. He is literally one artist and has been shamed in recent times due to his tracing. (even though this has been a well known thing for years). It is a career ruiner. He is also one artist, he does not account for most famous artist, this is a ridiculous comparison. Look at most of the instagram famous artists, they do not trace at all. They have examples of them drawing all the way through. The problem with numynumy is not what she does now, it's what she did in the past. She traced over other's artworks and claimed it as her own. (she never stated she traced and denied the situation constantly). She makes absolutely nothing on her patreon and doesn't get many commissions anymore. You cannot trace other's artworks without their permission stop comparing art school practices (emphasis on practice) to plagiarism. You learn about copyright laws in school to you know? It's not a legitimate way of doing art and only people with constant deadlines resort to it. (nothing wrong with photobashing with permission). In Japan tracing is actually looked extremely down upon, just look what happened to The Game of Life mangaka he got fucked over. also numynumy's art isn't very good, it is very easy to mimic her style without the use of painting over other artists work (note the photographer made her take down the image because she didn't ask for permission?) . I've had my work traced over many times and they have claimed it as their own, this is a disgusting thing to do and you going on about how it's easier is simply irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with tracing or photobashing, just as long as your honest about it and have gotten permission from the original owner, period.

Maybe this would be excusable as art if the paintovers these people are doing were hard to do, but they're so easy anyone could do it in a very short amount of time. I don't think it matters that they're tracing much, rather how much effort they put in to altering the original photograph and that they own up to it. So people who are paying for this are aware that this is a paintover and how easily the artist can do this. There are paintovers that take skill, then theres this type of shit

>>2988492
excuse me "no game no life"*

>>2988492
https://youtu.be/AoPNNzfaha8

@14:00

You literally have no idea what you're talking about m8, stay mediocre.

>>2988609
>>2988492
Also, we were never talking about tracing over other people's work, we were talking about tracing over photographs. Stop trying to derail the topic.

Ofc tracing someone else's work is wrong, but that was never the subject at hand.

As for what I mean by steal:
https://youtu.be/4CAlo0IU-UI
https://youtu.be/YUKeCiIYecQ
https://youtu.be/nJPERZDfyWc

>>2984882
My sister paints oil on canvas purely from transferring photographs via grid. She has never learned any sort of drawing fundamentals and if you forced her to draw without reference and the ability to grid her shit would look like above average High School hobbyist shit. She faked her way through art school and now sells large portraits for 20k-30k a pop. She knows I drew better in high school than she can draw now.
Doesn't matter, the "art world" is a complete farce and it's more about networking and your "brand" than it has anything to do with your actual skill or creativity.

>are you envious of your sister?

Not really, the true skill is in the hustle and networking, that she is actually talented in. The secret about starving artists is that they are starving because they have no business sense and are convinced by higher education that they need only develop their skills to succeed. What is posted in the OP is someone who might have an idea about the hustle/con.

>>2985851
>Let go of your ego. This isn't a dick measuring contest.

This anon speaks the truth

>>2984882
Thought it was this one at first.

>>2988047
what a hack.

>>2986094
I tried to give you guys a clue

Someone brought up Disney, wtf? Thats not what Im talking about. Jesus Christ you are out of your element. And you retards conflate followers boosting a megacorps brand with a megacorp freelance hiring 3dfx graphic artist based on popularity.

No, nike wont hire you with 1m followers because they think it will raise brand awareness, they will hire your popular ass because you are a safe choice and they see people eat up your bullshit graphic design 3dfx explosion or polygon illustrator piece

This is all an example, which requires an understanding of nuance, but Im done trying

>>2989316
>true skill is in the hustle and networking, that she is actually talented in. The secret about starving artists is that they are starving because they have no business sense and are convinced by higher education that they need only develop their skills to succeed. What is posted in the OP is someone who might have an idea about the hustle/con.
THIS
x1000000

this board always forgets the business and marketing half of art. It's why you have so many talented retards drawing scat porn for furries for commisions.

If you think you fan get by making art anonymously, then you won't make it. You gotta build a brand and get out there and acquire some degree of fame. People are paying for your BRAND not your SKILL.

This is why developing a unique and appealing style is important. MORE important than the majority of the shit this boars likes to circlejerk over.

Yes, style should never he an excuse for a lack of fundies, but that doesn't mean style isn't important as fuck.

>>2989555
I don't understand what you're saying here, you're wrong if you're saying you can't get by making art anonymously.

You're also wrong about the unique style. Stop looking at art as if it's a standalone thing, and look around you, look at the games you play, look at the products you buy, look at the cars you drive. Those are the brainchild of artists and guess what they look pretty much identical. Style doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

>>2984977
>implying someone cares about disproving your personal assumptions
entitled faggot.

>>2984882
Because ultimately most people care what the final product looks like and don't care what went into it and wont notice the flaws you do.

>>2990681
I did some assets at Zynga and everyone who wasn't there for their style, was a graphic designer churning out semi-cloned plants and furniture from a style guide.

If you're a nobody, you won't be designing the next Master Chief, most probably you won't even be touching any playable character or interactive object.

>>2989555
>The secret about starving artists is that they are starving because they have no business sense and are convinced by higher education that they need only develop their skills to succeed
Just fuck my shit up.

>>2992061
F-a-m

>>2985184
It's not a fucking design, it's a portrait.

It's not even a good portrait, the eyes are obviously incorrect size.