/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Since this was posted near end of dead thread ima repost.

whenever I try and study it looks nothing like the image. how do I become a photocopier?

whenever i try to match the image it comes out retarded. I can't even trace the image either the few times i've tried that.

>>2969284
>i haven't read keys to drawing: the post

i draw mostly toon or semi-toon, i know his legs are too big, something else i should change? this is not a rabit/bee/moth, is a alien

I'm trying gesture from Imagination,
which book can help me with proportions/gesture ?
3/500

>>2969280
Ah...No. Uh-hum, No...NO...NOOOOO


Why anon, why???

>>2969275
>using that image for OP

kek

>re posting because last thread ded

Trimmed the rib cage and waist a bit.
Tried fixing the breasts. (I want to make them look softer without making them much bigger)
I'm not sure how to trim the shoulders down without completely breaking them.

Torso still looks manly, I think its the shoulders.

More critiques are welcome.

>>2969290
Do it from ref 1000000 times

>>2969299
the stomache makes it look manly imo. take off the side lines and leave just the middle.

also her head is huge

>>2969275
>that image
lumo

>>2969303
I can do that! But where can I learn how to draw some basic anatomy ?

Yeah so feel like it's kinda barren should I add more to this piece? any advice would be helpful thanks.

>>2969319
you have to be 18+ to post on this website

This one is in progress, I'm still not sure how to color in the clothes and hair while still keeping the hard shading/dirty look to it

>>2969346
Use dark values and low saturation

>>2969346
how many cm^3 of eye socket are you on?

>>2969350
uhm, what?

>>2969290
>which book can help me with proportions/gesture
Figure Drawing, Design and Invention
Force: Life Drawing For Animators

I want to make my own goth waifu, something cute and creepy at the same time, but nothing works. How i do that ?

>>2969299
get a ref for your arm, may it be muscle placement of hand it's all at a much lower level than the rest.

>>2969360
Post what've you done so far

>>2969354
Arigathanks fampai

>>2969299
I think maybe exposing more of the hips, making them larger in proportion to the tail, adding a curvy gesture to the dividing line between the snake part and the torso will emphasize her gender.

Made this quick sketch
1- what is it
2- what do you think of it?

>>2969377
woman fighting off a raccoon attacking her head

>>2969379
Raccoon?
I can't see it

>>2969377
unironically really love when shitters use the buzzword "quick sketch"

>>2969384
It is
I did it in my phone trying out new sketching techniques in class.
me >>2944856
So thoughts in my sketch?

>>2969377
It's very clearly someone taking off their shirt

>>2969275
OMG NO PLS LET IT DIE.

>>2969280
needs to shave those armpits

>>2969397
nah

>>2969397
faggot

>>2969392
yay
thats what I wanted to hear

have a gift: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=acb9b6d54783abec7e04e7850728bc3c

may loomis and autism bless you

>>2969284
WHATS REF FOR TOP LEFT?

>>2969409
let me show you how its done kiddo
check theeeeeeeeeeeeese right here

are there any brushes that I should download? also help drawing the face for this is hard as fuck

help pls

>>2969420
now heres the ref(_ _;)

>>2969419
what software are you using
Also make sure your drawing subjects look naturally focused on something
chage the eye position to somewhere a person in that position would be naturally looking at
If you want it to look up, make her face the sky instead.

Also too much lower jaw if I'm supposed to find her attractive.

>>2969406
top left?

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/529032287459453408/

so how about helping me in return. When someone says read the books aka i want to begin by reading keys to drawing. Do I actually read everything? even the stupid ass stories or the intro and all that shit? do i just look at the pictures and read the stuff about the picture? do i read and then practice exercise by exercise? desu so far i just skimmed a couple of books like 2 or 3 tops and just drew instead.

>>2969419
Download a bunch, and see how they're made- you can make your own fairly easily. The only one I use regularly that I downloaded is a pencil brush, but there are tons of those.

>>2969423
thank you, Im using photoshop

how should i go about using these types of images as study material.

I know the images arent the best caught the levels are effed and there isnt much shadows and stuff so how should i use them for ref. Also how to do their features?

>>2969420
that chin senpai...

>>2969425
I never read a single book on drawing, throughout my art education. It's all guidance - since you don't have a teacher, you have to get instruction from books. Do books help? Yes. But a teacher, who can monitor your progress, is always better.

>>2969430
>doesn't even know what to study
>trying to study
Go back and draw you stupid beginner. Good taste though.

Photoshop or Sai for beginners?

>>2969346
can I get any feedback? I fixed the eye which was way too lopsided, I hope it looks better

>>2969439
How did you render the legs so well

>>2969420
>>2969422
looks like someone has the spark™
at leat in the stroke/lineart department

Here is the secret:
1-If you had read the sticky you would have know what I'm about to tell you
2-you can measure a drawing this way
try thinking of those point guided drawings you did as a kid.
think where the subject could have them.
ok, now (i have known of some people using a ruler, the ones that use stuff use a pencil instead. most just use their imagination. is not that hard as it sounds) try visualizing a point up, left or right . where it is is kind of irrelevant as long as you can make a line.
now, after you have done that, try correcting what isnt aligned with the photo. look at the pic and the lines and you can see what should be touching those lines and what not.

but before that you should learn how to sketch, copy pictures, first drafts. you made an entire thing without construction it seems.

read the sticky and pic bert dodson book for that.

also >>2967604

It looks like shit but the strokes/line art are really impressive.

It would be a waste of talent if you didnt get to a competent level to create art.

keep studying

>>2969434
i've only had bad teachers before. In highschool i had a dumbass teacher who couldnt even follow the instructions in the book. and she was some anti-foreign art hater and only wanted realistic art or loony tunes for some reason?

and in college i took a figure drawing class and she wouldn't help 1st years at all she'd just be like mhm okay feels good.

>>2969440
Thank you, it kinda happened by accident. I recently heard a motto " Don't blend it before you've colored the shadows roughly in." So Instead of shading, then blending, shading then blending, I just shaded and then blended with quick strokes upward, with the oil brush, giving it a texture. Only used these colors, any other color on the legs are a result of them mixing

>>2969436
how do you use the books damn it ;n;

the stupidddd stories bore me i just wanna draw... good... cute girls...

>>2969429
this may help
>>/ic/thread/S2851603

>>2969447
You don't need to know all that bone shit to draw cute girls thats just a meme.

>>2969446
How did you pick your colors? Any thought process? By eye? Random?

>>2969449
Yeah but i obviously need something otherwise my >>2969430
wouldnt look like... >>2969284

so I need to figure out whatever the hell im missing. and i guess it's reading books but how do you use them is the prob i guess. im trying to look it up but no luck so far..

>>2969451
I'm using this palette that I found of google, it was given by the artist in a tutorial. Can't remember which one though. But I'm using it till I get a hang of colors and tones

>>2969275
self portrait. vine charcoal is useful asf but i think i need to use normal charcoal for block in next time

>>2969452
>>2969455
You just need to learn how to Feel The Form™

>>2969457
lol

>>2969365
this series is still dead, isn't it? we'll never see more of that amazing art again

>>2969441
thank you do you know what that line trick is called?

>>2969439
>When you use all your skillpoints in drawing legs.

>>2969462
I dont know kid
and is not a trick, is a fundamental to life drawing.
Seriusly, read the sticky, get the books it tells you too.

read bert dodson keys.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=052df4e4a0a7f28be04780457b0a0dbb

here, you can get wathever books the sticky tells you to:
http://bookzz.org
http://gen.lib.rus.ec

>>2969439
Read a figure drawing book
read dynamic wrinkles and drapery by burne hogarth
read a rendering book

How's my Loomis?

>>2969469
leukemia
but also serviceable

>>2969470
that's what I was going for, thanks

>>2969469
Your art style is always noticeable. Why do you draw?

>>2969469
fuck i need to read loomis.

>>2969457
now i understand everything!!!

fuck off

>>2969472
Glad to be noticed! I just want to learn and get better. An art career seems like a pipe dream at this point.

>>2969456
Nice one, BlackAnon.

I've just picked up this paint -ish style.

Any advice on how I should progress the facial features.

also general critique

very quick, i need to loomis up again soon i think

>>2969500
>Red nose
>trip
>almost no drawing to critique
I dont wanna be rude if its not bait but...

>>2969278
ha ha
smol pener

my eyes are so dry, why are you guys still awake?

quick one, need to reread loomis tbqh.

>>2969502
It's obviously fucking bait. Dont reply.

>>2969507
I really like this but then again I know nothing. So take it with a grain of salt when I say if that's a quickie for you you're pretty amazing.

>>2969469
don't draw lines just to outline the shape of of a feature. Put marks down where you observe them in the reference.

>>2969299
I want to make love to this snek.

Draw more snek.

drawing is so hard lol

>>2969522
spark detected

>>2969522
can you teach me anatomy

>>2969516
will do that, thanks!

>>2969462
plumb line.

>>2969540
Faggot.

>>2969543
youre very motivated today

>>2969552
Nope, that's every day.
I just get sick of you posting and pretending like you know anything just because mommy didnt pay enough attention to you

>>2969516
dat filename

How do you get in the mood to draw? I enjoy it once I get going, but it's hard to get in the mood to start...

>>2969567
viagra

>>2969567
just start

I usually just watch videos n podcasts and force myself a quota to do daily, so I do it the same way i did homework

>>2969559
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about nosebro. u wouldnt say this shit to him at artist alley, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest chicks. yall are pathetic lol.

>>2969595
Great stuff. Why do you draw pal? For fun?

>>2969584
lmao

>>2969456
This is a white only board, please leave

>>2969595
getting better! really liking the cleaner linework. you still have a tendency to flatten the cranium though.

>>2969598
I never really thought about it, but I guess that is the reason I draw, yes
>>2969610
Thank you. I'll see if I can correct this; it's been holding me back for a while

I don't know if I should post this here but I recently started reading "Drawing on the right side of the brain" and i feel like i was tricked, 30 pages of bullshit about brain, school and emotion. No exercise whatsoever. Should I even bother with the meme book?

>>2969613
You didn't get memed about anything, you just need to drop your ego and take in the teachings if you want to get better. If you think you're so above it, then drop the book and do your own thing since you know so much.

>draw ten thousand ovals
>actually improved at it

Guess I wasn't entirely memed

>>2969617
>he actually drew ten thousand ovals
It was one thousand, why did you do ten times the amount?

>>2969618
So I'd be 10 times as good, of course

>>2969584
>artist alley
mhmm
>jacked
well.. not exac-
>freshest clothes
*looks at a full drawer of neutral colored almost pajama clothes.* eehhh

>>2969622
will you be my girlfriend?

if I use my drawing tablet in place of my mouse will I get better at drawing without having to draw?

>>2969624
dont fall for it, contrary to what people say french people are terrible lovers.

>>2969626
you can't get around putting in the work

>>2969469
The top of her head resembles a loaf of bread. Can not unsee.

>>2969595
Looks like it is drawn from reference, and so, there's nothing really to say about it except that your copying skills are as good as they were.

>>2969624
it is customary to quote a value in gold pieces for your purchase when it comes to buying gf. I'm sad to say I can't consider an offer from someone who doesn't know the basics.

>>2969637
To be honest it was kind of a refresher because I haven't drawn from reference in a while

Some nice stuff in this thread, keep it up

Where can I find photo sets of non-humans suitable for gesture drawing?

More happy little cubes.

I hope I get there someday.

>>2969655
What do you hope to get to?

>>2969656
kjg level

>>2969635
the sad effects of lukemia :/

>>2969656
It's a little hard to explain.
I guess it's some place where my work is solid, distinguishable, and reads well.
I'd like to see myself on the other side of this wall with some satisfaction and possibly a little recognition.

I want to overcome these self-imposed barriers that hold me back.
I'm always confused and unsure of myself, so I can't tell you exactly what I want.
I'd like to get over that too.
It keeps changing.

Becoming a "good" artists has been a goal for as long as I can remember.
Although it has been nice seeing some improvements over the years (slowly), I want to break from mediocrity and have some decent skill.

None of this is for money.
I just want it to be a reality I'm happy with.

I hope I get there someday.

Can someone explain to me how is this correct? I can't imagine a light setting where this makes sense, but just looking it kinda of does. Similar images on google are like this, but shouldn't the darker side actually be lighter? The fuck.

Can't upload art. Keep getting connection errors what's going on?

>>2969677
Additional light source from SE direction that is very weak?

>>2969680
Seems fine to me.

>>2969682
>Additional light source

B-but that's cheating!

>>2969677
It seems either >>2969682 or the light from the top left is being reflected, casting indirect light on it. I recreated your scene in Blender, pic related. There's a plane on the right reflecting the light from the top left.

>>2969693
Noice, so without the light reflecting both the bottom ones would be the same dark? Or would the right one be darker?

>>2969567
I know exactly that feeling, usually I come to /ic/ or /i/ with pencil and paper close at hand. Quickly enough I'll come across something I want to draw.

>>2969698
They'd be almost the same value, but the right one is indeed slightly darker. Pic related is the same scene without the plane.

Trying to draw dynamic figures

>>2969595
Nice studies, the only thing I would say is work more on rendering, combine confident lines with the hatching

>>2969693
But isn't it just the same thing? A plane reflecting light is basically a light source.

>>2969703
I wonder why they have different values (I checked it with the eyedropper tool, yep). Where is your light source?

>>2969705
Well, you failed. The pose does not read well at all, the proportions/perspective are poor (mostly noticeable with her arms and pelvis), and you didn't work on her legs at all, which should be your second main focus after the spine.

>>2969703
Interesting. Thanks for the info.

>>2969715
What do I do to fix perspectives?

>>2969715
>But isn't it just the same thing? A plane reflecting light is basically a light source.
True, but it helps to differentiate between direct and indirect light. Reflected light is usually more diffuse and more vividly colored (since it takes the color of whatever surface it reflects off of).

>I wonder why they have different values (I checked it with the eyedropper tool, yep). Where is your light source?
See pic related.

>>2969674
Me too, anon. Me too.

>>2969725
Ah, the "ground" surface reflects the light too.

>>2969724
Either get a good reference, understand 3D form perfectly, or use a good construction method.

>>2969281

>>2969729
Ah okay thanks

c r i t i q u e

>>2969737
This is surprisingly good for something amateurish.

>>2969737
Without shading the shoes look flat (by the way, fix the upper side of the closest one: it is too concave to fit her foot), the underside of her skirt is too dark, the gun is flat... and the far arm seems to be too short. Other than that, >>2969739.

>>2969456
is this drawing small or do you just smudge your values to much?

will i ever make it out of the beginner thread

>>2969767
like
just leave nigga
just close the tab

What are gestures?

i really need to start drawing more than an hour a day if i wanna make it sigh...

>>2969403
Glen Keane? I'm sold.

>>2969648
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/animal-drawing/

crit?

>>2969275
so how i can improve sketching, some guy said to me that anime/meme shit is still what internet wants to see so ill be drawing that for easy views

>>2969792
What tablet are you using?
>>2969833
Then draw memey shit if you want support, just continue your studies to improve.

Posted in ded thred by accident.

How can I draw people facing straight? I realized I always draw them at an angle, and I'm trying to break this habit, and it looks weird as shit.

This is my current attempt. I'm trying to use the reference things I saw used by Loomis, along with trying to use up more of my page, which I feel contributed to the weird look. The hips below look fine (to me, but I'm the beginner here) but past that, it looks weird, especially the crotch and waist area. The arm is too long as well.

I used a ruler to keep the main body proportioned (both the body and thighs are around 5cm, with the calves being around 4.) but it still looks off. Pls help

>>2969832
>beginner
that looks realy nice
is it going to be colored?

>>2969839
I'd imagine it all coming down to symmetry

>>2969839
Just to add, the right thigh is larger, try to keep it more consistent.

>>2969792
That's pretty good actually. Except you seem to be drawing the shoulders outside of the body.
And this is just preference, but I'm not a big fan of the whole "animu 1/2 of face is the forehead" look, but whatever floats your boat.

>>2969847
i wasn't sure where i should post my art first so i went with the safest route. i wasn't here in ages. you think i should go to the drawthreads?
wanted to try a bit with setting, background, light and painting. trying to step out of my comfort zone more recently.

>>2969836
i guess i could play games for a while and then pick up the tablet again

its just sorta hard to find motivation at times to start

How do I stop symbol drawing?

>>2969757
not that small but i was using vine charcoal cause it's all that i had around so it smudged everywhere

>>2969892
Life drawing a lot

what is the beginning steps to learning how to draw from imagination. I can sketch from observation but that's my limit

>>2969904
What do you mean by life drawing? Drawing everything I see? If so do I start by drawing glasses or humans?

>>2969999
Must get

How do I draw snek?

I want to draw pages and pages of beautiful snek women, snek everywhere, golden jewlery wearing thinly veiled dancing snek's in pits of fornication.

so, i'm learning to paint in photoshop. any honest critique?

>>2969932
stop

>>2969923
Draw objects laying on your desk.
They're simple so you don't get overwhelmed. But try to capture them as accurately as you can. Capture values as well.

>>2969282
crit please

>>2969926
You look up references. You look up snek and you look up weemen. Then you combine snek and weemen in your imogus. Taht is huow eets don.

Btw, this requires more extensive understanding of 3D and gesture than drawing normal hoomons.

>>2969277
Is this a good way to improve?

Inspired by this board, tried to draw something for the first time in years.
It was pretty fun, so thanks, I guess.

>>2969947
i mean this

>>2969947
You didn't draw his massive dick, over sized feet or hairy chest, so fuck right off.

>>2969943
Symbol drawing. You're literally looking at the face from a different angle. She's looking up and to the left towards you. You drew in portions of the lower nose that you cannot explicitly see in the shadow, look how the nose is pointed, the direction her face is looking in.

nose bridge too thin you half assed the hair eyes are too upwards lips disproportionate to the face (i.e too big for the jaw size)
>>2969949
>filename
gave me a good laugh

>>2969944
I'm a complete beginner. One sticky says start with Loomis, others say with Keys or DOTRSOTB, but I'm getting lost.

If I want to draw snek, what is FIRST step? As in, the step before learning gestures and spacing, etc.

(thank you so much anon, one day I will draw snek weemyn wife)

>>2969949
I never understood the point of this type exercise. or studying figure drawing with live models.

>>2969956
Draw a snek from reference. Draw a nude woman from reference. Draw a snek woman from reference (with front as exposed as possible). Then draw a snek, a woman, and a snek woman (different ones) from imagination. Determine whether it is fun for you and you wanna continue. If yes, post those drawings here, preferably in a single image that does not exceed 2000 pixels in both directions. Read critique carefully. Determine whether you aren't discouraged by the butthurt and still have the spirit to continue. If yes, heed the advice and continue drawing your snek waifus.

>>2969963
you don't understand the value of drawing a portrait?

>>2969950
>most artists are just filthy tracers

huh. and here I was getting discouraged over nothing.

I am practicing boxes, perspective and simple hatching. Any thoughts ?

>>2969950
rotoscoping I get but this seems unnecessary.

also, you have to go back and correct it anyway so what's the point? plus you can't get any stretch or squish with a reference photo/3D model.

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on good methods to shade in digital? That seems to be my main downfall trying to transition, I'm used to just lightly coloring in with pencil and using a blending tool to smudge it how I need. Is the only option to lasso the area and use the airbrush? I use krita if that helps.

starting the day off with a photocopy

i feel like i am officially a beginner

I'm having trouble with the shadows, and they feel off. Does anyone have any tips?

>>2969965
I really appreciate the explicit instructions anon, I'm literally autistic so when people tell me what to do like this it makes it so much easier to make my own goals.

>>2969981
Yup! Wanna get some hazing, bro?

>>2969976
There was a post about one method of shading in the last thread: >>2969150.

Still continuing with this

>>2969989
Nah, I can tell it is just general inaccuracy. Seems like the easiest way to capture likeness is to give yourself the time to measure. I don't have patience though.

>>2969999
Reeeee

>>2969997
Claimed for Snek.

>>2969997

>>2970000
>>2969998
>>2969997
Still got it, also does anyone know an exercise for pencil control?

>>2969989
About same values of the shade on the black skirt and the leg: I forgot to add that you check them with base layers turned off completely. Black (dark gray due to light) and skintone-colored legs wouldn't have the same value shading, obviously, as their base values are different. If you check the consistency of shading just on the skin or the skirt, then you don't need to turn the base layers off.

>>2969932
Bumping this. I would really use some feedback

Critique pls. which one looks best

>>2970009
The "Lines" look the best imo. Using thinner lines, a bit more controlled color palette and a stabilizer for those shaky hands might help this particular drawing.
You can colorize the lines with a clipping mask or a colorize layer, what kind of software do you use?

Your drawing overall would improve if you tried drawabox.com or picked up a book from the artbook thread (Fun with a pencil, maybe Keys to drawing) and spent some time with that, aside from your regular drawing for fun.

Welcome to /ic/ btw.
My apologies for being coarse with you in your thread, I legit thought you were just baiting.

>>2969792
>>2969832
gtfo of beg thread
>>2969737
youre like a slightly better beginner1

>>2970028
See >>2969856

>>2969832
Yea that's def good enough for the draw thread.

Nice depth and composition, but watch your narrative, the girl is almost in the center and there's a lot of detail in the foreground, make sure to bring the attention to where you want it to be with your rendering. Also it would be nice to see what's behind that broken window, maybe a moldy shelf or a broken wall leading to the nature?

>>2970043
I will try rendering that piece next weekend. Wanted to blur out a bit of the foreground and background. Hold it relatively grey, but planning on some color on the raincoat and the umbrella.

>>2970048
why are you in beg
fuck right off my negro xD

Crit please. I know I'm lacking in proportion.

>>2970003
I already told you to stop.

Go read the sticky.

>>2969319
maybe an asteroid or satellite or somethin at the bottom right?

>>2970055
stop

>>2969974
looks good

>>2970052
you're measuring legs equal to the body but in reality they are almost twice as tall, in the begoining I sugest over exaggerating them first and tighet later in line art phase, don't get too bugged down on this drawing just keep looking at women you find attractive and do your best to depict them to your liking

>>2970060
Thanks man

I have no idea what to do

>>2970025
Thanks for the advice. instead of going through and lining it I just cleaned up the sketch. I tried making the palette less ass but idk

i just stuck here

can't but meat any tips?

The guy who invented feet should be crucified

>>2970060
In reality there are very different proportions, the leg/body ratio being one of the most prominent examples. Many people have a body that's longer than their legs, and many people have long legs.

>>2970077
Kek'd.

>>2969974
Neat. Don't place your VPs too close. If the distortion is too high, try slowly transitioning from 2 to 5 point perspective.

>>2970062
If I were you I'd ease up on the style, in your case it's more a crutch than it is a deliberate design choice. If you do more studies and more life drawing, it will look worse than your usual work at first, but it's the only way forward.

>>2970072
It's important to keep a constant mass with your ribcage and pelvis - they are bones, they don't squash/stretch/twist. Draw the ribcage separately, envelop it with flesh. Use a higher resolution canvas and thinner lines.

>>2970083
Dont hit me

>>2970099
First off, the ribcage is much longer. Refer to Skeleton-san for details.
Secondly, hips don't work like that. Find a good reference. If/when you know where the bones are located under the meat, you can also use this:
https://sketchfab.com/models/e8813c9dc7764c9fb8bc956ff7543bba
And other models:
https://sketchfab.com/models/cSVBHJhtLLj1oWaFb4DSoAICmTL
https://sketchfab.com/models/41bc7cf88f564d55a3f30be927f09318

>>2969299
Posted a reply in the old thread, did a quick liquify touch-up to illustrate what I was saying.

I'm tearing my hair out, I just don't understand gesture drawing.
>Practice gesture to understand anatomy
>Don't do gesture until you fully understand anatomy
>Find the flow and keep it free and loose
>Find the center and anchor it down to give it weight
>Don't follow the contours
>Follow the form
>Do it all in 30 seconds
This is so immensely frustrating. I just don't get it. I don't fucking get it. I don't see how drawing references even worse than I normally do is helping me improve. I don't understand why every person has a different idea of what a gesture 'is', but doesn't expand on what you do that *makes* it a gesture drawing. I don't understand any of this shit. It's like teaching an adult how to swim.

>What's wrong idiot? Just FLOAT! Everyone can FLOAT, it's so basic! All you need to do is contradict everything you've learned and be loose but also tense at the same time. Toddlers can do it!

>>2970111
Nice trips, can you fix the hand?

>>2970113
Just watch different videos of people doing it until it clicks. This one helped me immensely;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvjB0rj6yAc

>>2970099
It's too early to be doing this kind of stuff, you won't learn from it anything worthwhile.
Learning anatomy and planes at this point is like learning advanced astrophysics before learning basic math.

Lines, shapes, simple forms, form combinations and intersections, everyday objects, bugs, plants...
Those are subjects arranged from the simplest to the most complex you should be able to draw.
I didn't even go further than "plants" and you're already at the human body. See what I mean?

Try drawabox, learn perspective and construction, because that's what you need to draw pretty much anything. I recommend working traditional as well as digital.

How does it look? I'm afraid that the blue hair might be too flamboyant, clashing with the stark shading

>>2970121
Please, please for the love of god just learn how to draw eyes right. You draw them all the same and it's always how I can tell you're the same guy. Do me my dying wish.

>>2970123
I tried D:

>>2970121
Are you using black to shade both skin and the hair?

>>2970111
I'm glad to see you're feeling the form of that snake tail, it looks very appealing.
Although as other anon has pointed out, there are a few things fucked about that arm.
- It's too long (measure with craniums)
- the muscles of the forearm start too low and don't twist as they should
- the fingers are extended (your tendons aren't that long)
- the shoulder isn't raised despite supporting a lot of weight

Look up a ref if you don't know the anatomy from head, ideally try the pose yourself and observe.

>>2970121
I'd wish there was a nicer way to say this, but it's what we refer to as "a polished turd". The underlying drawing isn't very strong and no amount of rendering can fix that. Start with a solid drawing, then block in your values with a large brush. All the tiny color spots make her skin look muddy more than anything.

So yea, focus on the drawing and sorry for putting it that way, the picture isn't bad at all, but I need you to understand the principle.

>>2970111
I tried making your snek more feminine.

Hey /beg/, I never had a problem with symbol drawing, but my problem lies in my perfectionist mind. Like each line has to be perfect for the perfect piece of art. It always repeats itself, draw it perfectly. How do I cure myself of this?

>>2970131
No, I'm using a dark brown for the skin and a dark blue as a base for the hair.

>>2970133
Thank you for the crit, the sketch isn't special, I agree. I'm just always stuck making lineart and I really need to get better at coloring. I'll still try my best though

>>2970136
>> I never had a problem with symbol drawing
Post your art. I too was thinking that I'm able to draw good-looking and realistically shaded humans until I started doing it. Harsh reality ensued.

As for perfectionism, either meds or willpower to stop yourself constantly.

>>2970136
Never try to restate or correct your lines more than 3 times

>>2970140
quick question, having a horrible revelation; are her eyes also symbol drawn/just smacked on?

holy shit

I'll have to do some skull/socket kind of studies won't I

>>2970099
Titties too high, move them down a bit.

Hips are too circular, they're a bit more angular with a dip in the middle.

Ribs are way too tiny, this ties into what the other Anon was saying about not having bendy bones.

The stomach looks like you added squigglies without much thought, reference some muscle anatomy (in the future, for now, listen to >>2970118, run before you jump.)

>>2970136
Always before you start working on a drawing, make just a rough sketch to figure out what goes where, just for yourself, not meant to be shown to anyone.

You'll find that those drawings are better than your actual drawings, so you'll stick with them in the end. It's just a way to trick your brain into letting go.

>>2970135
Not him, but simply lowering the opacity of certain lines makes it look younger, not more feminine.
To make it more feminine, you'd need smaller shoulders, longer neck, higher jaw, smoother nose, bigger belly, narrower thoracic arch and smaller ribcage.
Just sayin'.

>>2970140
Don't bother with color. Work in value only for a while. Zoomed out. Make sure it reads.
Then use a very limited palette, only 2-3 colors. Expand it slowly. This process should take a while.

>>2969299
CUTE

>>2970140
Looks like you fixed the eye positioning, although from this angle, the left eye should appear smaller than right as it recedes from view. The right eye looks small in comparison. Add more shadow to the inner corner of the right eye as well to match the depth of both eyes.

The nose is very flat but that might just be a stylistic choice. Both eyebrows look too high especially the right, but also might be a style choice. Right hand and arm looks smaller than the other. Neck seems a bit long.

>>2970157
I meant
>work only in value for a while
not
>work in value for only a while
Thought I should clarify.

screenshot study, what do you think ?

>>2970173
How did you pick the colors so well

I will tuck the hair behind her left ear and the background texture will disappear. Other that that, what could be improved before I move on with the rendering?

my first time drawing a character wearing a mask. As usual, I had an idea of how to draw eyes, but I always seem to fuck it up..

I've been looking at Loomis's work for simplification of anatomy on smaller / cartoonish figures, and I want to know how to properly integrate it without completely distorting the proportions.

I'm upset. For the longest time I thought krita was just a piece of shit that kept lagging on my sketching lines so I just went back to tradional BUT NO I just had to zoom in a little and I'm fine bam back to normal. I must be fucking dense.

>>2970175
I learned a lot about colors and light, it helps a lot to not get lost when picking your colors then it's not a problem if you don't chose the exact same as the reference it still will work

>>2970188
Post what you mean

>>2970194
I'm having trouble trying to show it now that it works properly but you get the jist of what I'm saying anon. :/

Hey guys just finished this thing what would you do for the rest of the scene? I'm thinking maybe in a fish tank or something on a desk

>>2970178
pelvis seems a tad low.

>>2970157
>> but simply lowering the opacity of certain lines makes it look younger, not more feminine.
>> Just sayin'.
Don't take it personally, but it would be better for you to pay more attention to the differences before sayin' anything.

>>2970202
I'd draw long wriggling seaweed coming up from the sand bottom. His cord leads up to an alien-looking incubator thingy that fell out of a sunken ship/spaceship in the background, which is heavily damaged. The indicator on the thingy clearly shows that there's not much energy left to support the babby. To make the picture even more expressive, you could add a random sign that is buried in the sand, reading "HELP."

>>2970211
Btw, the entire scene is set in relatively shallow waters of an ocean, where the visibility is good enough and the water is colored in a distinct green/emerald.

>>2970173
nice dude.

>>2970135
Try different pose. Google sitting dancer or something.

>>2970152
If you don't understand the anatomy of the eye means you're still relying on your memory of what an eye should be. Go study the anatomy.

Understanding the anatomy is one of the way to easily break out of symbol drawing.

>>2970211
You're right, there is a bit more work than I thought, sorry for disregarding that. I'll take your advice.

fist attempt at not symbol drawing.
how badly did i do?

crit thank you

My first go at digital art. Not in order.
Only the 3rd picture in the top row is from reference.
What should I work on? I'm going to try the major emotions now.

>>2970250
... begin with noses.

>>2970246
the contour of her face is off

>>2970250
have you been playing too much hotline miami?

>>2970254
could you elaborate please?

What it feels like to chew 5 gum

I just realized I can't use my own feet as reference because they are deformed and flat

>>2970265
Rookie excuses! Buy a hacksaw be a pro

>>2970250
Don't draw every individual tooth

>tfw go back to traditional because krita is a slut and I need to improve
>go back to digital after I fix my intous
>I'm terrible again
Krita tell me your secrets.

Hey IC,

This is my latest attempt at a portrait and I'd be glad to hear some suggestions or where did I do badly. The hair is still awfully hard to draw.

Much appreciated

>>2970286
symbolic as fuck
get loomis
i can't even say, it's kinda african art, those fucking lips, i mean did you even loook at lips

>>2970284
i would like to lick her hairy arm pit

>>2970286
The eyes are too big, I know you want to draw larger eyes to make the subject more beautiful but it carries more punch if it is 'realistic big eyes' instead of 'cartoony big eyes'.

Nothing looks glaringly bad except for the jaw and chin, it's not long enough, or seems too tight. The lips are the worst part, while the nose is the best imo

>>2970250
That is fucking horrifying.

>>2970250
Please read the sticky, it's all in there. You're going in the wrong direction.

>>2970284
Is your traditional work significantly better? If yes, you just need more digital mileage. If not, there are no secret tools to make your drawings better.

I don't want to draw happy potatos

>>2969275
>>>2970286
>symbolic as fuck
>get loomis
>i can't even say, it's kinda african art, those fucking lips, i mean did you even loook at lips

Some features could be symbolic but not everything. And Loomis did not work for me before, uh a year ago. Returned to drawing this January after year long hiatus.

Though I don't have to even talk with you. Have a nice day Mr.

>>2970311
Nobody forces you though...?

>>2969430
http://imgur.com/a/xGYo3
http://imgur.com/a/EnubO

you can use these until they run out.

>>2970322
Mine too.

>>2970250
make this the next op please.

so what the fuck i can fix next time to look less tumblr and more sakimichan
did this like 5 min ago

>>2970314
where can I start with real human head?

>>2970319
NoseBro with the amazing collection. Handpicked?

>>2970250
here lies the problem of pure line art with no line weight or rendering.

how does 0033-sensei do it?

>>2970311
Draw a fair amount of them until the method clicks and then apply it to something you like

>>2969275
>>>2970286
>The eyes are too big, I know you want to draw larger eyes to make the subject more beautiful but it carries more punch if it is 'realistic big eyes' instead of 'cartoony big eyes'.
>
>Nothing looks glaringly bad except for the jaw and chin, it's not long enough, or seems too tight. The lips are the worst part, while the nose is the best imo

No offence but I don't want to draw "bigger eyes to make it more appealing" why would I do that, I don't fancy drawing neither cartoons or anime. That was what I saw from the reference.

Lips, eyes and hair are giving me the most trouble. I guess I could try revising separate features before tackling whole portrait, that'd work I think. Also I'm working through Keys to drawing and finished chapter 4. But I was forced to skip "light and mood" coz I wouldn't want to sketch outside or wait for weather changes.

Local library got lots of books about drawing and painting but I don't yet want to tackle them when I have not finished my own.

Thank you for your response.

>>2970335
NoseBro's links, for example. You can use the models at sketchfab too, but you need to have enough skill to differentiate anatomically correct models from bad.
https://sketchfab.com/graft/collections/anatomia?cursor=24

ive wasted five y ears of my life doing literally nothing. i couldve spent that learning to draw, and its now or never, but realizing that i havent even been holding pencil correctly my entire life is really depressing me. are their practices for this? i beg you. i just want to be able to draw a decent straight line or circle and then i can kill myself

>>2970358
You really don't, that only gives you a week to two weeks left before that happens. Set higher standards first.

>>2970359
i dont understand
im very stupid, you see

0033 IS SO FUCKING GOOD ITS TORTURE TO LOOK AT HIS WORK. I CANT FUCKING BARE THIS. BEING A BEGINNER IS HELL

>>2970365
Keep at it.

>>2970365
do you even have a perception of how long it took him to get there

if you work hard and focus on improving rather than pissing and moaning about how hard art is you'll be better off

feet from imagination. I'm going to do this all day until it clicks

Ok, it's me who sucks at drawing eyes. Now I used resources to try to structure the eyes better and I already see a notable difference, but I feel like I am fumbling around in the dark, is one eye too high compared to the other?

>>2970418
Just practice drawing it 2 to 3 hundred times. Both eyes, different angles. I guarantee you'll find your own method to draw it before you finish.

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why does all the skin i render feel weird and plastic-y in greyscale?

wip, obviously

heres the ref >>2969422

>>2970338
yes. if ever you run out i can make another gallery. Just say my name and ill find your request on the board.

>>2970522
'cause you stress about rendering without getting rid of symbol drawing first

>>2970173
This is simultaneously super impressive but also creepily wrong?

The face is creepy and the neck doesnt seem to exist, but the hands are beautiful and i love the background

>>2969319
>ms paint
mate, seriously. pencil and paper before you do anything else. you will never improve if you stick to mspaint. i dont give a shit if you say you cant afford paper or cheap 2b pencils are too hard to find, fucking get some.

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