/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Why did you feel the need to post this here? It's already being spammed on /v/.

>>2965562
Because it's relevant to /ic/ you dipshit.

>>2965561
Do you think its an improvement? why or why not? Point to some characteristics in both designs and give use your thoughts. Or else it looks like youre shitposting

>>2965565
Except it's not. This board is already very slow, please don't fill it up with unneeded threads.

The right is objectively a much better design and is drawn more skillfully

I will start off this rant by saying /ic/ shouldn't be spammed with nonsense threads like these. Put it on /v/.

They went with a completely different direction for the character which is less strong than the original they thought of. On their blog they stated:

>When we were reviewing Vasco’s design, we felt the character’s combination of Spanish conquistador and cowboy influences lacked cohesion

Which doesn't matter one bit when you've got a kamen rider-esque character in your game already. You need to do your best to make it work, come up with ideas or read some stories to see how it could be cohesive. Be creative. It's a whimsical excuse.

>Additionally, we didn’t have much in the way of lanky characters, and we felt that a tall and lanky character was a good fit for that role.

There's also this, which I feel you shouldn't worry about too much if you don't have a character that's like this or like that, as long as the character's varied enough that you can tell that's who that character is then you don't have to worry about making sure at least one of them's fat or tall or whatever.


When it comes to presentation, I feel as if they've done it in a very unprofessional matter where they released this new design to the world with flat colors only. This is not the dev team they're showing this off to, this is the audience. You have to present this new design to the audience in the best way possible. Had they went through with colorizing his gun or adding shading to him maybe people would've found it a bit easier to swallow but they didn't do that so it's easier for everyone to deem it as trash.

>>2965561
>Take Nelson Mandella
>Give him a beard
>Make him a British gentleman
>Give him a musketeer coat and hat
>Give him a pistol
>Tie a sword to the end of it
Somehow meant to be more cohesive than the mexican/spanish cowboy

>lookie here we got rid of the CHUWHITE MAYLE so its a good design

literally the only white character in the whole set up left is a giant purple haired musclebeast woman that makes zarya look like a little princess

its sad to see lab zero go full speed into sjw territory kek

>>2965584
I think that's close-minded and stupid, anon.

Like, if they just wanted to make the character black I'd probably be fine with it. Go ahead, he'd probably look pretty sick.

But they went and ruined the whole character in the re-design process. I don't think it's SJW-nonsense, as the roster's filled with black characters already, it's a case of shit-taste.

>>2965561
I feel like the new design while looking more "simple" must be a bitch to animate because of all the small detail. Very amateurish.
Compare beards. The old one looks more complex, is actually just big simple shapes. The new one looks simple but is actually pretty weirdly detailed, same with the collar.

Id rather animate the old design.

The new one is shit

>>2965561
No, left looks like Steven Universe shit. Right has a unique art style that conveys a lot more character.

>>2965580
I don't understand the character on the left, nor do I understand their rationalizations for it.

>cohesiveness

I see the one on the right, and it instantly clicks, conquistador cowboy, cool. Very unique, the themes blend well, etc...

I see the one on the left, and I just have a hard time wrapping my head around what's going on. He's an old gentlemanly black dude, with a gunslinger coat, and some armor on for some reason, and a handgun... that has a bayonet.

Presentation aside, the design on the right is considerably stronger than the one on the right. It's WAY more cohesive.

>But we wanted a tall talky character
Then make a NEW character like that. What you came up with to replace it is really fucking strange all around. Like, hell, literally take what you had, and make him more lanky, and it'd still work. I don't understand why the sudden change in themes from something that worked, to something that flat out doesn't make any sense.

Design is supposed to tell a story, and instantly convey what something is. I see the design on the right, and I can't make much sense of it.

>>2965561
Right is much better in everything.

its obvious what happened.

they got a new artist, he wanted to change what ever happened before him. partly because of ego, and mostly because he couldnt match stylzed with old design

>>2965561
In a game full of brown people and references to multiple international cultures they still had to nix one of the two white guys.

>crowdfunded game starts to turn to shit after reaching it's goal
>people get pissed
What did you expect?
They've already have your money now they can cut corners change designs and more.
The whole point is to bate with glossy promises then go back on them so they can keep most of the cash.

>>2965561
Looks insanely out of place next to all of the other characters, clearly done by a different artist/designer. The color scheme makes zero sense, the collar area is needlessly detailed, and that hard cut-off of the armor piece at the waist is an awful design choice. It's really quite bad.

>>2965561
They touted "character designs by the Skull Girls character designer" and are now removing characters from the roster, and redesigning characters.
I'm glad they didn't get my money and never will.

>>2965580
>When it comes to presentation, I feel as if they've done it in a very unprofessional matter where they released this new design to the world with flat colors only. This is not the dev team they're showing this off to, this is the audience. You have to present this new design to the audience in the best way possible. Had they went through with colorizing his gun or adding shading to him maybe people would've found it a bit easier to swallow but they didn't do that so it's easier for everyone to deem it as trash.

I assume they had a typical drama quarrel among devs and the character designer left, holding the current artworks as hostage and the others empty handed, but yeah they should have finalized the product before showing it.

>>2965561
while the original is drawn by an artist with a style that i like better, it looks like a cowboy wearing saiyan armor, right down to the weirdly shaped boots

the new one just needs something more going on around the waist/legs area to balance out detail near the top, like some sick ass thigh high metal greaves (fits the conquistador motif) and some flaring of the chest armor at the hips. maybe some better (read: bigger) gloves, like gauntlet style. also bring back the cool shape design in the facial hair/regular hair

>>2966659
as far as i know, alex ahad's still the creative director at lab zero and therefore still working on the game

>>2966608
are swarthy spaniards not of western european descent and therefore still "technically" white? i know that 4chan ain't the best place to open this can of worms, but the concept of a "white person" is pretty complex

>>2965562
why did you white wash him?

>>2966687
If they're committing crimes or murdering a black person, every race with white to light-brown skin is either white or might as well be.
If they're inconvenienced in any way, they're a separate suffering minority group.

An effort was made.

>>2966868
better gj

>>2966868
That still doesn't look as good as the right but it's better.

>>2966868
Give left the piercing stare from the original and I'm in.

>>2966915
yea I thinking the same thing

>>2966868
make him white

>>2966915
>>2966967
The point was that I was trying to maintain the "personality" and vibe of the new one, looks like they were going for a distinguished gentlemen sort of thing

>>2965561

>It's a "/v/ poster asspained because he got jewed by kickstarter yet again so he has to come complain about it on other boards" episode

>3.3
>Mighty #9
>Yoka Laylee
>Indivisible

DON'T BUY THE FUCKING GAME BEFORE IT'S FINISHED YOU STUPID FUCKS

>>2966868
Better already, but his pose is still so fucking gay and I wonder how that weird helemt thing they did is supposed to make animation easier.

>>2965561
>Is this a improvement? New version on the left.
>https://twitter.com/IndivisibleRPG/status/859844297293668352
I dont really know for what cartoon/vidya this character supposed to be.
But the new design is an utter shit.

If i was drawing on that level i would kill myself. Its a bad character design all over.
The colors the character, design - everything is bland.

It looks like it was drawn by a tumblr girl who just wanted to change "generic" picture into "unqiue" by making a black conquistador dude for some reason.

>>2967139
>The point was that I was trying to maintain the "personality" and vibe of the new one, looks like they were going for a distinguished gentlemen sort of thing
that has nothing to do with being black

>>2965565
>>2965561
Fuck off with your bullshit back to /v/ double spics

>>2967444
There's no value in your line of argument because if you start rolling changes back all you'll be left with is the original design. We're already parting off the base that the original design shouldn't have been changed, the guy was just trying to make the new one less awful while still mostly respecting the changes it introduced.

>>2967467
that anon asked why they made him black
You vomited out:
>>2967139
>The point was that I was trying to maintain the "personality" and vibe of the new one

this is not the answer retard.
Having personality or other shit has nothing to do with why they made him black.

>>2965561
Ok, heres my critique. The new and improve one is better than the original one because of the colors, shading, and the overall tone of the character. Plus what anon said here>>2965574

But design wise, it looks generic as fuck. Both of them do actually. My advice is to redesign the character again or at least add more unique clothing choices or something. If he is a background character then I guess its fine but I still recommend a redesign.

My final thought, I just get a "meh" feeling from it.

>>2967480
>The new and improve one is better than the original one because of the colors, shading
Are you retarded?
The new one is the one on the right.
The one with shading you know.

>>2967512
No it's not; read the thread and maybe the link you nig nog

>>2967473
I want to fug Twilight Niggle

so let me get this straight, there is a game where the lead programmer and creative directors are of middle eastern descent, and the lead animator is of japanese descent, and 4chan is mad that there aren't enough white people in the game?

well color me surprised

seriously tho, like i get there are people who are a lil let down by the redesign, i personally feel it could use just a bit more work, but man, y'all are gettin real mad at the discrepancy of "quality" between a piece of concept art and an animation model sheet

>>2967520
>>2967480
The new one is the one on the left you moron.

>>2967467 isn't me
>>2967473
>>2967444
Holy shit, I was trying to work with ONLY the colors in the new design, no new colors. The only exception was the darker silver on the belt buckle, which is minor. Making his skin white with the current color scheme would clearly change things a lot because they made him black with the new color scheme in mind. In this particular case, pale pinks wouldn't look so good with pale skin because his face would get lost in it and wouldn't stand out as much.
The "vibe" they were going for is clearly "old black guy who is a gunslinger". It's a distinct vibe from "old white guy who is a gunslinger". Why? I don't know. But it is. I kept within the boundaries of the new design. It's not like I'm the one who made him black in the first place.

>>2967512
Don't call other people retarded if you're the one who's wrong. The new one is the one on the left, which is why the thread is entirely people trashing it.

>>2966687
Spain is white, yes. Not Aryan, but still white.

Tried to make a silhouette based on the changes they wanted to make

character design is hard

Tried to make a silhouette based on the changes they wanted to make

character design is hard

>>2965561
they made him black gave him a faggy stance and a terrible color scheme, seriously the colors are like a color swap in a fighting game

>>2967712
Y'know, I already didn't like Indivisible from the get-go just because the character designs aren't as flashy or cool as Skullgirl's. This redesign just makes everything worse.

>>2967712
that image you posted isn't actually a palette from skullgirls but rather a base for each zone on an a character so that they can easily recolor each piece without having to go back and redo the coloring for every single frame of animation for every single palette. it's a pretty clever way to handle non-pixel-art 2d palette swaps

Absolutely fucked it. That looks terrible.

i PERSONALLY would love to play the swaggeristic oldhead on the left, but the right one seems solid as well. What's weird about the design change is that they look like theyre from the same series/world, and my mind wants to play as both.

Also, why would they present it without a render? It's like begging for an outcry.

>>2965561
what does /ic/ think of this design

oh god I hope they don't ruin or redesign him

>>2970453
Absolutely adorable, now sauce pls

>>2970464
Ren from Indivisible

>>2970453
I can at least see who this character is meant to appeal to.

>>2967573
Hi tumblr

>>2965561
both designs are bad and unappealing