/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>2963544
I'm going to repost because I don't think anyone saw the stuff at the end:

I barely studied anatomy and decided to give this a shot. Am I way in over my head?
also please ignore anything below the belly button i only put that there for practice but also to see if other body parts were proportional.

One poster mentioned that I lacked understanding of perspective but I would like someone to redline any fix to my figure or draw the redline for the boxes for perspective for a better understanding on my part. If anyone could I would really appreciate that.

>>2963552

Not perfect but hope you can see where Im going with the build

>>2963561

>>2963561
is this a fucking troll? it better be fucking bait or some shit. wtf.

>>2963581
dunno about you but I could work with that. the pose is stupid to begin with

Current wip.. trying to improve alot.. still have to color the rest and need to tackle the hair which is going to be a chore... But also trying like with the lips to take away some of the lines to just define with value.. first real attempt to blend that into my style. Anyway would love any tips or suggestions. Atm a little tool limited because I am working of sketchbook for galaxy.

>>2963552
hm, actually I just realized the halberd placement makes no sense whatsoever I guess I could just switch the arm placements or put it in the right shoulder.

>>2963617
LOL you better not change the pose after i redlined yo shit... nah jk i was actually gonna suggest change up the pose if it'll give a better image.

Like i made the pose mine in the side one and i changed it up so there is negative space visable between her arm and torso. it looks nicer that way. Also it not a straight up front view so push one side of the body to be more curvy and have a better curve to the body. also the hips how you drew it is really unappealing. not that mine is much better. also your arms seem wayyy too long. but good job on hands way better than any of my attempts desu.

>>2963637
lol in the edited pose i made ignore the hands whatever you do for hands is better than what i do. but for the rest i think it should be okay.

>>2963637
>>2963638
This is some really good stuff man, thanks a lot. Your edit is a lot closer to what I intended it to be. I really need to do something about the arms because I think it's a little too late for me to change the entirely of the pose since I want to have something completed.

>>2963643
haha thanks c:

I think this is the easiest edits you can make to get your pose looking better.

good luck! going to bed hope it helps.

also distance was distance between hands they too far apart and that's why your limbs are really long.

thoughts on my new neopets?

>>2963646
pretty good but she looks like the turtle dude from that austin powers guys movie.

>>2963653
they look very prokoesque, good job!

What are some good ways of helping me to understand form better?

>>2963714
>prokoesque
what does that mean?

>>2963764
proko is an artist that makes tuts on youtube

Just did a disney's screenshot paintover, was quite fun, what do you think ?

>>2963802
Jesus Christ man this is straight up nightmare fuel

>>2963802
Nice, I like it, usually rendered cartoony faces are much more unsettling

>>2963802
Creepy, like an AI trying to recreate the original.
Like there's 2 styles competing for 1 painting

>>2963802
I feel like a lot of the detail here is misplaced. The eyes particularly stand out, they look glassy and a little creepy. The skin also looks odd, the way you shaded it makes it look a bit slimy, you could blend out the shading and add some more texture there if you wanted to, as well as remove the wrinkles around the eyes. You missed some opprotunities to add detail where it could have looked nice, like on the feather, the dagger, or the hair. They look very rough compared to the face, which is more "realistic." You could even go in and add some stitching/more folds to the clothes to make them balance with the face better.

>>2963838
The wide nose and big eyes are a little off putting, especially with how the mouth is more realistically proportioned. Were you going for a stylized look or not?I think you could try adding more line eights into your hatching/cross hatching as well, some edges are getting lost, like the edge between the shadowed neck and the hair.

>>2963906
thanks for the feedback. I was going for a somewhat stylized look, but still trying to find my style.

>someone uses your drawing for the thread pic
>best thing that's happened so far this week

I need to get out more.

>>2963943
If you're trying to find oyur style, don't be afraid to mimic other artists styles instead of just stylizing directly from reality. Right now you're in this middle zone, where your art doesn't look quite like it;s supposed to be stylized, and doesn't look quite like it's supposed to be realistic. Do some studies of other artist's styles and pick and choose elements from their work to incorporate into your own

>>2964000
Sounds like a good ide, I will try that. Do you have any examples of great pen and ink artists I might not know about?

>>2964000
Sounds like a good ide, I will try that. Do you have any examples of great pen and ink artists I might not know about?

I'm reading how to draw and I'm stuck in the chapter about drawing cars, and I'm really confused. He talks about all these construction methods to build complex solid forms, yet I've never seen I'm nor feng use them, are they a 100% necessary? do I need to grind that chapter for another 15 days?

TL;DR
could I get some advice on the composition?

does it feel unnecessary crammed? it's intentional, because it's a tavern, but I don't want it feel forced. I was thinking about a snail like comp starting with the two fig in the centre, moving the eyes to the left and finally to the goblin on the right.
the centre needs to be more highlighted and moved up ( I wanna put a chimney behind the table) and the goblin's too dark.

>>2964072
When I look at this I see 3 different subjects fighting for dominance. The woman, the two men and the table, then the goblin or whatever. It's really hard to read it as one whole image/composition, it's more like a sketch page collage. To fix this you need to change sizes/relations, make the goblin closer to the camera he's fighting dominance of the pic with the girl, imho. Also, I feel like the girl is on a completely different perspective plane compared to the rest of the tavern, make sure she's grounded!
The goblin isn't too dark, you NEED contrast to make sure everything reads correctly, remember values before color. Values can make or break, so have even contrast, no muddiness.
Also, good work on anatomy and mark making :)

>>2964098
thank you that is good advice. strangly I feel like the goblin is in perspective as he's completely flat and in profile. it feels like he's leaning to his left.

Two on-site drawings from sunday.

>>2964072
everyone's gonna stare at the tits lad

Inspired by Zedig

painting of lilies. 22"x28"

>>2963992
OP here... I thought you might like that. I almost used my own drawing but it felt too dirty

Keep up the good work

>>2964299

Love it. Good perspective which but the colors are gorgeous and make everything that much better

>>2964299
Pretty cool; double check the perspective on that sword though.

thoughts

>>2963544
new to watercolor, this is at my cabin. Kind of tired of it so I'll probably be moving on. Any pointers?

I've noticed the pen lines do not go well with realism.

>>2964487
awful colors especially the bottom part
that saturated brown kills me inside
if the bottom part is all in shadow use more cold tones
also that orange of the house in shadow, i don't believe i ever saw a house color in complete shadow be that saturated and hot

Futuristic African warlord thingy. First line pass. Still really rough. Feed my back...

sum shipz

>>2964060

Necessary for what? You reading Scott Robertson's book? I don't think it's really about "what" you should be drawing. It's just about being able to see shit in 3d space or, you know... How to draw. You don't really need to grind anything if you can do that stuff using other media like 3d or what ever to get a quick and accurate result for concept art but knowing that stuff definitely helps.

Anyways your stuff looks pretty good. Would be nice to see one of those less angular cars from a 3/4 perspective though. Shit's hard. I'm definitely no expert...

sorry 2b...

on another note i'm just beginning to cram perspective with perspective made easy and how to draw and i'm having so much trouble even thinking about it/getting things to not look wonky, does anyone have any tips please ; u;

vip, will go posting in the beg thread when a new one has been made, but I really had to get this one off my shoulders and go to sleep, so I can continue with it tomorrow in a fresh light.

I like how skinny she is and that's not a problem, but the long lanky hand with weird phalanges is... fffs

>>2964803

>>2964726
jesus her legs got fucked up.

good job on face and hair tho.

>>2964678
yeah reading scott robertson's book.
gonna try maybe getting into modo. Anyways thanks it's kind of a relief knowing I don't have to be so stiff about all those methods.

>>2964803
jesus the fuck. I'd line it but it seems like you gonna finish it anyway so it'd be a waste of time. sorry anon.

>>2964857
thank! lol next time i'll either fix it or crop it... also please, do you have any perspective tips?

for my character design class... all i have is an android tablet with artflow on it, but i'll be upgrading soon hopefully

>>2964909
wonderful picture, although it is lacking in both the character and design categories

>>2964909

What is she supposed to be? Remember anon, character design is all about visually communicating what a character is all about. This is just some chick listlessly staring and probably a demon or something? Give the context right away.

>>2964072

The goblin is in my opinion throwing it off. I like the idea you had with it. I can't put my finger on it but it feels like he is almost just floating around and not really apart of the scene.

Try moving him a bit further from the viewer, and maybe have him lean back a bit and gesture with his arms while he his drinking to make it seem like he is taking to someone out of view.

Also that person behind the dwarf is a little odd. What is she doing?

Overall I think you are going in a pretty good direction. I like the shapes and the way it makes your eyes move around the place.

>>2964887
I mean there isn't really anything to anchor with. Figures done in space like this... aren't that good to practice perspective on. It seems like you atleast kept everything in check tho. What I mean is that we are obviously looking down on her since we can see a lot of her clavicle/shoulder area and a bit of the top of the head and we don't see anything else that is contradicting that. Countless times I've seen people do the top with us looking down on the figure but when they move to the hips and thighs they draw the butt like we looking from under the figure.

So basically there isn't any contradicting perspective so that's good. If you want to practice perspective use atleast 2 things in the image so we can see the relationship.

>>2964909
It's nice for a basic drawing. How much time did you have to work on it?

Also
>Boobs don't work that way at all

The hair looks flat because of the way you rendered it so piece-y.

I love the eyes though, my eyes always look like fucking trash no matter if i use every ref under the sun or not.
>>2964923
I agree to some extent with this guy. Based on the wings and jesus crown i'd assume she's a gravestone angel come to life. Take that as you will.

>>2964726
I like the flair and loose feel of this. Is there an underlying sketch or do you jump straight into blocking in?

>>2964961
oo thanks! hmm... yea that's kind of the problem because i want to try my hand at more complex bgs, even just grounding the character and holyyyyy shit i'm so bad at it ; u;;;; can barely draw inanimate objects from scratch without fucking up

>>2964986
thanks dude! i usually do a loose gestural sketch below & then one to get down more detail

like for pic attached the sketch is https://68.media.tumblr.com/5dd80da21e190d2cd78c5ae7c64046b1/tumblr_opdaxt0AxZ1rxtmhno1_1280.png

The Fallacy of Forced Listening

How do I colour grey scale properly? Every time I try it looks 'off'

>>2964803
updated the face, realized that her chin was fucking loooooooong...

>>2965143
I like this man, good line economy. Lots of anons here don't recognize that good design can be more appealing than any other skill.

Tattoo design.

Is it just me or is this thread deader than usual?

>>2964803
She looks starving, waifish, underfed while also under excersized, she has no muscle definition. Her boogs look saggy,
its the reference you picked. Im guessing you've got a nude model photo from something, but her posture is strange for a "cute girl comfort zone" picture.

Just finish it but try to think about it next time, pick a better reference and tone down the bones.

It's kind of mushy

Current Wip. Now I need to sleep

>>2965391
I have a bit of a fetish for skinny/anorexic chicks. But I don't really like it when it doesn't fit, as in the ribs were too pronounced while her stomach looked slightly full/chubby. So that doesn't make sense so I toned down on the skinniness.

lifted the boobs up and stuff, also I didn't use any reference, which explains the awkward stance, I just tend to draw too saggy instead of too perky, while we all aim to hit that sweet point. It's breasts after all and they fall where gravity does. However considering how heavily stylized she is and skinny, such large/saggy boobs are hardly coherent with the composition.

but live and learn, I'll do better on my next painting.

>>2965391
>>2965646
Just for example, pic related is a body physique that I really like, I think its beautiful and it probably explains a lot.( though it doesn't excuse inaccuracy in anatomy). I have an eating disorder and anorexia is one of my fixiations, sorry for the blog but I didn't want to come out as a creep so I felt I had to explain myself

>>2965655
That's mental illness, not personal preference.

>>2965655
are you a fan of schiele?

>>2965658
well, yes. I'm on medication though and drawing helps.

>>2963992
I'm marginally aroused by your work on the lenses and collar/neck definition. How long?

Also, i remember how proud I was when my pic got used for the thread pic once. Honestly, one of the best art feels I've had. Lots of people tell me i'm good, but I know its empty. But 4chan doesn't fuck around.

Thanks for helping me find the way /ic/.

>>2965659
while I like some of his paintings I find the colors to be too harsh and gritty, I tend to like 'pastel' things more or radiant colors, kind of a dissonance in the subject matter and the colors/tone

>>2964648
looks like he skipped leg day

>>2965664
this one has a nice form and pose and its almost like the model is dirty and covered in grit. It's on purpose of course and it makes you feel uncomfortable(consisting of two things, the colors and the anorexic state) while I like when you only have the anorexic state because I feel at ease looking at it, while the grit actually ruins the experience. still a great artist though

>>2965675
sry just realized I forgot the pic

>>2965655
>>2965659
just fucking die. Nothing good or positive about your fucking "preference". Fucking get sick and wither away. Please.

>>2965705
lol u mad

I lose most of my drive to finish drawings that I don't finish in the first sitting. Leaving this one as is.

Caricature sketches

Wolowitz
Bush
Susan Boile

I used that kind of paper because It was the only I had.

painted the flowers again today

>>2965753
You're awful at capturing likeness.

>>2965753
its very good

i really want to be a character designer , dont know where to start. I want to use this summer to improve extremely ! , im one of those instagram noobs who thinks they can draw.

>>2965802
just so you know, character design is the most saturated field of concept art, so you must dedicate yourself tremendously to this,to the point drawing will not be even fun anymore.

I hope drawing on a tablet counts. I rarely use paper anymore...

continuing with this

Wip crits welcome!

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>>2965655
>>2965660
This is some pure nightmare fuel, and that's coming from someone who likes skinny girls.
Jesus.

>>2965831
I feel like you are going places in the future. Right now you are in an awkward art stage but it's still eye candy imo.
Keep it up m8

>>2965848
viewing these is like an addiction for me, they make me feel so calm and I would like to be like them.

my psychologist says that its a signal of the inability to accept mental illness/instability and being afraid to reach out for help from those around them.

By changing your physical form to something clearly sick/dying you are communicating to your bystanders that you need help, but you don't need to admit it outloud. (In my family we aren't allowed to talk about our feelings.)

And most times depression and anxiety is overlooked since it has no physical symptom. its all 'in your head'. When I started being bulimic, it wasn't visible either, since I would both binge and purge. So now I subconsciously strive to be anorexic, since it is clearly the better one of all the eating disorders[and yes I know how deluded that sounds].

wip

>>2965655
I'm not going to critisize the fact that you like an unhealthy lifestyle but I will continue to give you crit on your painting:
The reason why she doesn't look like the girl you posted is because she doesn't have muscle stirations, it actually looks like theres a little bit of fat bubbling up around her ribs, but no muscle underneath so its showing the shape of her fat on top of her bone. She has a very skinny-fat looking look. I'd know cause this is pretty much my body type from drawing and not exercising all day.

If you want her to look more like pic related than make your shadows less blocky, make them more like thick lines.

See, the girl you posted is pretty much a rectangular prism with small irregularities over top of the surface, like a long box with a topographical map covering it.

>>2965660
>>2965655
>>2965646

So are you like an anorexic girl who likes to draw people who look like you or are you an anorexic boy who likes skelly girls too, or are you a normal sized anorexic girl fantasizing over anorexic girls and thefore drawing them as you try to wittle down your size?
I'm just curious, no bully.

>>2965876
I think I just got what you mean and it can be very helpful. It's probably even harder to do those small irregularities which is why I veered towards doing the fat in the first place, (like symbol drawing but for texture) but it makes perfect sense since the skin is a layer upon bone and muscle instead of fat on bone. Thank you anon

>>2965856
That makes a lot of sense. I had a friend who was anorexic before and she clearly wanted to look anorexic because she hated herself and wanted to die (she was borderline).
But I knew her very well, and an underlying feeling I think she had was that she wanted to appear weak. I don't know why, but she /always/ wants to appear weak, pathetic and needy even when she was very capable.
It wasn't like your situation, she had a supportive family and I gave her an exorbitant amount of attention and sympathy. In the end, I believe she has Munchausen syndrome.


I understand why you want to look anorexic, it is good for people to know that you are hurting. Is there some other way you can do this without killing yourself or by possibly just talking to different people or accepting the fact that your family is not sympathetic, and that is a flaw in their character, not yours?

>>2965881
I'm a normal weight girl and I sometimes jump into being chubby and sometimes slightly fit. I used to eat uncontrollably as a child ( binging) then started to throw it up. For a long time I was doing really unhealthy stuff and no one around me realized it or even considered it a problem. Mom didn't think so. So over the years I wished I looked like I had a problem, a problem you could see on the outside. But I was too proud to cut, since mom had said it was weak and for pathetic people. Sometimes I starve a lot (when I'm chubby) until I fall back into normal weight and then I start binging and purging again. So it's effectively like a pendulum.

But on a side note, I'm not actually sure if I'm ready to be anorexic since being anorexic represents perfection and having reached happiness and I'm so used to the misery of hating my own body and being afraid to go out in public. I hate crowds too.

So I guess in a way, when I reach too close to my underweight goals I am subconsciously sabotaging myself, like when you don't study for a test the day before because it's easier to admit you got a bad grade cause you didn't study, instead of getting a bad grade cause you're just stupid... On a side note, my behavior is classified as EDNOS which is a general mix of symptoms like I mentioned before, instead of only starving(anorexia) or only purging(bulimia) and binging(binge disorder)

But I don't know, it's all fucked up.

>>2965856
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>>2965893
>a majority of the art posted on this board gets ignored
>someone makes a strange blogpost about eating disorders and the (You)s pour in

>>2965893
I see, it actually sounds similar to my friend as well. She never did reach an anorexic point, maybe a thinnish girl but in the end she gained a lot of weight.
I can't really motivate you to stop by telling you that you're going to hurt your body, so maybe you should know that you might just get kind of fat if you keep doing that.

Do you live at home with your family? Perhaps you should move out .
You're not a bad painter, you have a ton of potential and if you're not making money doing it already it won't take you long to get to a freelancing level. You're here on /ic/ so I know you care about it, try and focus on what you want your life and your paintings to look like instead of your body.
I support you doing art based off of your disorder, I think it really helps.

>>2965886
Munchausen is a very scary disease, if I remember correctly borderlines tend to have a habit of making themselves look like the victim? Which is kinda munchausen-ish now when I think about it

I'm trying to get better, I recently upped my dosage of setraline(anxiety and depression) to 100mg instead of 50 mg and it is helping, also meeting a psychologist.

It's funny that you mention alternate ways cause I have been doing experiments at nights like binge drinking alcohol, eating toilet paper, eating crayons, chewing on broken mirror glass that was supposed to be used for decoration and so forth.

But the obvious is probably something healthy and exercise, but the thing is I am so nervous I can't be around other people like in the gym or at training classes so I gradually fall into the pattern of skipping classes since I am so stressed around other people.

This thing made me think twice about the whole " is all /ic/ with crippling depression?" lol

>>2965902
Some faggots here do not have depression. They're just assholes.

>>2965898
Yes, but I also devote my time to try games with /ic/ to encourage them to post more replies. I sometimes make threads about sharing favorite paintings or an exercise to say something positive... Or maybe to a coherent fighting sequence if you remember that. /ic/'s problem is that everyone is so hyper critical(and they know all the other anons are hypercritical) that they are afraid to post their own works, and those who post are seldom critiqued because the "post your work" is commented imminently on those who critiqued it.
>>2965901
thank you, it really means a lot to hear this on /ic/, compliments here are really true, instead of the shit you hear on fb.

Also posting wip to not fill the thread up with too much blog

I'm working on a portrait of Melania.

>>2965909
blog?

>>2965929
no blog yet, but thanks for asking! don't have the balls to post my work where it isn't purged within 5 days kek

>>2965927
its not very good i have seen the pic you are referencing, and her head and upper chest look wierd not to mention almost every thing else.

i've been working this thing for 4 days and i'm tired of looking at it. does it look good or have I been polishing a turd all this time?

>>2965370

Thank you! I really appreciate that

iunno

>>2965959
it's hard to make out anything. i would say you need more contrast to define out objects and the shapes that make them. Composition-wise I would argue that you need to put something on the right side to balance it out. The railroad tracks looks oddly out of perspective

>>2965959
dude polishing a turd is a meme. if you never finish anything how will you ever finish anything. trust me all i did was fundamentals but now i cant even finish a stupid piece. trust me its better to polish a turd then never have polished that turd.

>>2965959
The train, the tracks, and the tunnel to the left of both seem to accentuate the warped perspective.
It's the only part of the painting that's bothering me and it's really noticeable.

I imagine the tracks and that other set of older tracks to the left are supposed to be parallel so I suggest you make the tracks a tad wider than they are now.
I can't understand how to go about fixing it so my redline was worthless to the both of us.

>>2963802
I think you went overboard with the highlights. It looks like a relief carving with a varnish coating.

Hey guys, I posted a WIP of this the other day and I am happy to say that I have finally finished this after 3 days of hard work and critique. Let me know what you think (if you're going to mention her right hand I know its not that great but I'm tired af)

Let me know if you want to see the ref.

>>2966113
Good job on pushing through to finish

Its good exercise. But lets see some original work from imagination. Make some art. :)

>>2966118
Thanks bro, that's what I'm planning to do for my next one. I think I'm ready for some cool shit.

I decided to go and tidy up the hand a bit because it was really bothering me. I'm posting the ref underneath after this one.

>>2966113
>>2966120

Here is the reference

you all suck

>>2966120
What did you learn from this

>>2966150
The biggest thing was learning how to draw hair, fabric, and getting facial proportions right. Also that I suck ass at hands.

>>2966138
u r a fagget

>>2966138
Glad you could join us!

>>2966138
Wait... You're not Brian.

>>2965971
Love this, even though it is just kinda a photofilter. Cool message and nice execution.

>>2966215
I did a really quick overpaint
I don't know if this is from reference or not, but anyway, you have to push the values further, specialy on the black parts which usually contrast more.
Also, very important, don't shade with flat values, try to give form and lightning with every shape.
I know it's not the same with a pen, and maybe you wanted to be more subtile, but even with a pen you can get wey darker that this.
And just one detail more, you seem to have simpol-shaded the eye.Check how bird eyes usually look on reality rather than on a tutorial

>>2966233
And I haven't said anything about the drawing, basically because I don't know what specie is that bird, but I think he should have more neck and that leg appears from nowhere

>>2966233
Thanks anon!!

Any tips on what paper I should be using? I feel like my lines are getting lost when I go darker. Maybe its a personal problem though, possibly bad technique/line economy?

>>2966240
I'm sorry, I don't usually do big enough hatching drawing to know any paper, I just use my ordinary sketchbook. Maybe you press too much, but I don't know

I'm done trying to fix his left hand.

>>2965831
Usually I give the opposite of this advice, because people need more fundamentals and less concept. But I think you should spend time examining your personal ethics, your lifestyle, etc, and how that affects the work you make. It is affecting the work you make, whether you like it or not. Think about how short life is and if you're spending a fraction of your precious time making something, what do you really want to make?

>lol man I just wanna draw hot girls with psychedelic influence in an appealing, colorful, graphic manner

I'm not saying that's wrong at all. I'm just saying that you could go *so* much further and do something *really* cool. It's fine if your work is ultimately vapid, but it could be vapid in a better way than any of the other shit out there.

Right now you're on track to be a designer that works for a slick NYC ad firm that makes cool but ultimately forgettable commercial art. However, if you dig deep, you could be like mucha: still making vapid commercial art, but it's unbearably cool and completely unforgettable.

tl;dr, basically
>>2965831

You're making eye candy that's fun but ultimately soulless. You know what you want to do, but not well enough.

also, use bigger brushes and focus on stroke economy. There's way to many little strokes in that hair. look to Leyendecker.

i had fun fuck it

i had fun fuck it

>>2966388
Why that head? Try to do something more interseting than a bland bold expresionless face. It really ruins the great impact of the image when you check it

>>2966158
no, he's much worse. At least Brian draws from life. This NGMI draws from photographs. Deep down, he/she knows how bad their work is, but isn't willing to put in *real* effort to improve. This person is content to keep taking adderall and spending 2 hours polishing shit work to garner critical acclaim from the clueless people in his/her life.

>>2966138
D U N N I N G K R U E G E R

>>2966364
just work up the forehead and lit part of the feathers a little and I think you can call it a day. Looks real good.

>>2966120
Not bad for what it is. Spend some time life drawing though, the whole thing lacks a real sense of solidity. Also, pick more interesting references. That's good for an early one because it has so much detail to deal with, but you'll probably look back on it ruefully because your reference just isn't an engaging image to begin with.

>>2966388
Do you have any process videos anywhere?

>>2966398
yeah i think i shoudl've played around with it a bit more, not sure what i would have done with it though...
>>2966423
not really, no one's ever asked for it. heres some process steps if you want, might be of some use for you

>>2966388
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>>2966472
Fuck process images, you have an art page?

>>2966385
I appreciate that you took a fraction of your precious time to write that post. I respect your opinion, but this image does mean something to me, and there is an underlying message or maybe just a feeling that I feel the need to communicate. Every new piece is just a step in the process tho, y'know?

Ill work on that brush economy.

>>2966385
Not that anon, but this is the best crit I've seen in a long time. Anon is super lucky to get it (I'm jealous). I hope you stop by here more, crit-anon.

Might as well get some crits on this before I start rendering.

>>2966049
>>2966075

how's this?

>>2966049
>>2966075

how's this?

>>2966767
wip

>>2966475
https://barkode.tumblr.com/
my usual work is pretty different though

I'm not sure if i'm posting the image correctly ...
Anyways, i would like some advice on a good light source for a more "lonely" feeling to the image.
Any advice is appreciated (i know the overall pallete is shit right now)

>>2963604
There is waaaaay too little space between the belly button and the crotch. Look at a reference for heck's sake.

>>2964016
>>2965831
So close to done. Its still missing something. Sucks having to use the schools tablet. :(

>>2967099
cool af my dude
I feel like the hand/face/hair contrasting colours are much stronger than the background/hand colours though but that could be intentional, and the sharp edges or the hair strands across the face almost hurt my eyes

>>2966709
Would've helped if you posted a larger image.

I think the drawing is begging for some saturation in some parts. The yellow could really pop if you push the saturation more.

The front main dudes values seem off. It seems like he should be more harshly lit like everything around him, but hes not.

The composition could really benefit from cropping it at an angle so the horizon line isn't horizontal.

Overall I feel the values and colors are making things a bit muddy. I think the burst of light in the distance could look good a bit more blown out.

I attached a quick mock up of some of the things I mentioned. Just my thoughts - good luck!

Doodling

>>2967048
A little update
Still would like some advice on the color

>>2963544
Night//Day

>>2967099
>>2965831
This color palette is on point.

>>2966709
Your light sources seem all over the place - you have a filtered sun from the rear, yet the shield (or foam mattress?) is lit from the left, big guys' left arm is in shadow and his sword is highlighted on the underside.
Modelling-wise the skull on his left side looks like its sunk into the hip and the right hip looks displaced from the line of the leg. I hope you're aiming for standing pose because if he's supposed to be moving the torso and head need to be more congruent with the legs. With the shoulders lit up, I'd address the neck.
The armor on his left arm looks like it's slipped down and would hamper his sword-swinging, and I'm not sure that the heads of the other dudes need to be so close to the foreground and yet cropped - it looks like a still or a photograph rather than an artwork and leads the eye out of the picture.

>>2967099
the hair looks too flat to me, but it'd probably be a pain to redo it

>>2967120
The horizon was tilted in an earlier version but i changed it after a pal told me it felt too left heavy, but i'll try it again cuz i agree with you that the comp feels a bit boring.
And I was actually thinking of desaturating the entire thing so we'll se what happens color-wise. Thanks for the paintover <3
>>2967177
Great points, i'll try tweaking what you pointed out appreciate ya

Holy shit I spent over 4 hours on this and I can no longer tell what's wrong.
Only issues I'm aware of are
>neck/spine/legs freakishly long
>tail doesn't really fit stylistically with the rest

Got any other critique?

>>2967424
I'm uh

not even sure what to say to this

>>2967424
>spent over 4 hours
Whoa man, don't overdo it! More than 3 hours on a piece of art and you're in the danger zone.

>>2967099
Wrinkles on the hand and the cum wisps make it way too busy. Also, the solid border 'locks' the subject in. Break the border with at least a horizontal bar or pattern that goes behind the subject.

>>2967911
Everything looks really soft right now; try to more clearly define your edges.
The color palate seems really washed out right now too. This could be a stylistic choice on your part, but if you wanted to make it appear more vibrant you could try adding color to the shadows, instead of making it monochromatic.
There's also not a lot of contrast with her hair and the background.

Aye. Got back to my shitty wank image. I like some stuff on it. I'mma move on to shading/ambient occlusion and details. Whaddoyaguisethink? He's like some spidery, rapist 3'rd world cyborg dude or some shit. I don't know. I'm drunk again.

Current environ piece I am working on. Any tips on the mangrove-ish roots?

>>2967911
ayyy lmaoooo

>>2967987

I don't have any tips on the mangrove-ish roots. If you can make this work with your current composition that'll be great. I don't think there's anything interesting about your image at the moment. It's just a smelly swamp. Your best solution might be to add another light source to the image to get an interesting read on those mangroves and stuff. A light of some kind. I went with the easiest solutions on my 5 second over paint. I just put a character there to add something so it wouldn't be so boring... Anyways, you definitely need to do something! Your indication, rendering and atmosphere is excellent so you got that. Just try to make it more interesting somehow!

>>2967987
thats actually really good stuff you have there man
the arch in the middle of the picture forms a bit of a tangent with the frame of the drawing though, maybe you can put it down a bit

>>2968019
>>2967987

Sorry, I always flip my images a thousand times to get a fresh view... Didn't remember to flip it back...

>>2967987

Oh and I'll add this. Geoffrey Ernault does some pretty fucking sick swamps with magical shit and stuff without characters. You might want to look at his stuff. This probably isn't what you're going for but just food for thought.

>>2968019
Yea was about to touch up on the lighting a bit since it got lost in the rendering process. Also adding in a bit of fog as an aftertought.

The deer thing I dig (mostly because I was thinking of adding deer, or some kind of animal as well but was afraid it'd be too cliche)
Maybe I should just roll a dice and use a Dungeons & Dragons encounter table to determine what to put in it
This should also fix the sense of scale I am going for

Cheers for the PO

>>2968025
I think I found myself my new favorite artist, cheers

>>2968020
Will check it out, cheers

>>2968027

Aye aye, NP. Geoffrey is fucking awesome! Looking at his work, you don't really need to put in anything. Just make the lighting more dynamic and interesting. My general point with the paint over was "Either make a character OR make the scene more interesting". Either way. You've got this! GG...

>>2967099
One more sesh on this and then quits.I tried to add depth to the hair and make it clarify the neck stuff. It isnt cum lol.

>>2968037

>>2968039

Hey dude. I don't know how you're gonna take this but I was here when you posted your initial sketch and what I got from that was "Another fucking surrealist loser with no skill sending his shit here. I'mma ignore".

Now that I see your final piece... I fucking love it! I might make it my phones background! That's actually really well done. I especially love the colors and the ambiguous background. The anatomy on the hand is kind of fucked but I don't care as it works in the image and you could have done the ends of her hair better but who fucking cares... That's a nice piece you got there.

>>2968091
Tganks! Yeah I still cant figure out whats wrong with the hand but it looks completely fucked to me when i flip it. oh well. better planning next time.

>>2968114

Nahh, man. I think I know what's wrong with it and I even made a quick fix to make it look more realistic but i think that the more static original version looks much better.

>>2968114
I think working with some softer or perhaps bigger brushes would work as well. The hand and parts of the hair feel a bit messy and scratchy as opposed to the cleanness of the face
It also distracts from the face since my eye is constantly pulled towards the thumb part of the palm

really like the face and the colors are great too

>>2965818
>drawing on a tablet
That's literally all this board is, sperg. Cool Conan.

On today's painting exercise.
Defeated by a shapeless ball of stings, how am even supposed to draw so many details?

>>2968163
Yeah >>2968192
Not like that. Start with a midtone, mass in. Go lighter, work some details. Go darker and work the shadows. Then add highlights and accent the shadows.

Did you like it? Can you see who it is?

>>2968274
Kevin Spaceman? You got the eyes, but everything else is slightly off. He has a more bulbous nose, his mouth is wider, chin is softer, ears are longer, and he has a bit more hair than that. Good rendering, though.

>>2968274
I do like it. Great pencil work. I can tell who it is, but I think you can tell that the drawing could use some more characterization.

>>2964487
I personally like it, never quite seen colors like this and I'm into it

Pushing out of my comfort zone with this one, the first landscape I can remember drawing

>>2968402
I love the grass, dont like transition between grass and that black mountains or whatewer it is. Great work anyway.

>>2968404
Thanks! Would you mind elaborating on the issue? Is the change too abrupt?

>>2968242
Thanks, will try that again following your advice, I have problems painting random details like that, here's the thing

The idea of the image is loneliness/solitude.
Any advice on how to achieve that mood ?
Also is there anything wrong with the perspective ?

>>2968414
I would replace the feet with a sad person sitting in the bed looking at the window ominously. Currently I don't perceive loneliness, but tiredness, and maybe slight sadness.

>>2968417
Thanks that's some good advice !
I will rearrange the picture then. :)

>>2968136
i wanted to make your picture all glowy. so i did

>>2968419
You're welcome ;)

>>2964406
This looks painted with much more care than your work I saw a year ago. I prefer this a lot more than your previous work, looks very good!

drunk drawing
thinking about starting a drawing/humor youtube channel i dont know

How do I proceed here? Help.

>>2965927
Reference

>>2964893
Nice facial expressions, very cartoonish.

>>2968711
You don't really. You don't have enough knowledge of forms, lighting and anatomy to proceed meaningfully.

If you're bent on continuing, you'd need to find or take references and use that to fill in your knowledge gaps.

Realistically you just want to keep hammering at your fundies. Personally I'd just move on from this.

You need to start paying attention to the direction of your light source in 3D space (not just up and to the right, but is it forward or back in relation to the plane of the page. You then need to track the angles of all the major planes of the thing you're drawing. Ignoring specular reflections, planes that are orthogonal to the light source will be brightest. Planes that are parallel to the light source (if it's a single, distant light source) will mark the terminators of your shadows. Experience will tell you exactly how bright or dark you need to go for those mentioned planes and all planes in between.

>>2968727
t. hacademic explaining the drawing process

>>2968727
Oh, I see. Thanks, bro, gonna keep it safe then and come back some time later.

>>2968414
I like the idea of the feet but loneliness isn't really conveyed. Maybe just do it really literally and just draw some text on the wall thats depressed or lonely
.

>>2968421
How did you add the glow lighting on the hand at the bottom? A layer mode?

>>2968639
Lets do it man you and me. Ive had the same idea for a while now.

Hi guys. I've been trying to understand how the piece to the right was rendered.
Right now I think it's a two value structure that relies on complimentary color scheme and saturation to separate different objects.
Am I missing something?
No shadows or highlights yet, but am I on the right path?

>>2968874
You're a fucking idiot

>>2968866
Email me some of your art at smutbrush@gmail.com

Now that im sobered up im serious about this

>>2963802
Horrifying

>>2968875
You sure showed me, buddy.

>>2968874
can i get her without the ref pic there?

>>2968901
Fucking lol

>>2968874

Hey dude. You might want to check out this tutorial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtDlmLYvWjE

The image you're referencing is pretty basic. I'd go with:

>Line art
>Flat local colors
>Highlights
>Ambient occlusion
>Core Shadows
>Textures
>Paint over everything with hard brush

I also might consider adding another harder light source for some cool rim lights on your focal area (the face).

Hope this helped.

>>2968875

You should fuck right off...

>>2968874
>>2968874
>two value structure
>relies on complimentary colors and saturation to separate objects

Literally none of that is in your picture. But I'm glad you feel comfortable using words before you know what they mean. Brave. Regardless, I like your drawing. Keep going!

>>2968865
Overlay brush mode at like 30% opacity. The whole process was. Greyscale,chaned some contrast then I applied a gradient map before using a soft round brush set to an overlay mode mentioned above.
You have to use it directly on the layer or it doesn't work right

Would like some critiques, mainly about the composition. Subjects' color are placeholder.

So I'm attempting a perspective shot and the head is a bit on the creepy side. I'm thinking of changing the head angle a bit so her head is facing slightly more to her right. That way the nose isn't as head on.

I may just have to restructure the face a little and give it more space/size on some of the elements of it. I'm also trying to figure out what I'm going to do with the arms.

Any thoughts?

Hey guys, I am working on an original piece in the style of a typical league splash art. I am currently having trouble thinking of a suitable background for her, and would appreciate any help on the matter.

I know the perspective/proportions are probably a little fucked but I tried my best guys

>>2969209
Nice

Not the most original thing but at least I'm drawing
Sorry in advance for mobileposting

Working on this today

>>2969295

It's hard to see what you're trying to achieve with just your image. Do you want her to be mid jump or standing on the ground with her knee up? Looks promising either way...

>>2969359
Thanks bro! I'm thinking either mid jump or just pushed off the ground.

>>2969364

Cool yo. I'mma do a quick over painting of the stance because I don't think it reads well. Wait ~10min... I'm a little drunk so this isn't going to be excellent :)

>>2969368
cool you are awesome!

>>2969357
Are you photobashing? How do you get all those variations in value? Looks nice.

>>2969357
>>2969373
Yeah the sense of space is very relaxing

>>2969373
>>2969374

Id' say it's just plain old color dodge. Looks really nice though!

>>2969295
>>2969359
>>2969364


Aye! So here's what I did:

I removed the weird highlight from her boob. Boobs are round and you have a highlight that makes it look kind of angular like a coin or something so I changed that. Just basic lighting for basic forms type of thing...

I chanve I changed her foot position a little. I see what you were going for with the original but I don't think it works for what you're doing. Just a spider-man thing...

You had a nice rim light going on on her chin so I was a brave boy and added that to other forms in her hair and tiddie. It just makes more sense. When you have a good thing you should stick with it!

I added a stronger highlight on her prominent cheek and I added some reds to her nose and cheek. We don't want her to look like a wax doll...

Just minor things. I envy your use of interesting posing!

I didn't really do much with the background. I think you should add some elements that go along those lines to avoid tangent with your character. Have "something" that goes along those lines and it'll probably work. You could try using some photos of roof tops with some field blur and drawing over that shit for example. I don't know. I'm just a drugged up hobo...

>>2969386
Dude !!! you are a god. I'm going to make the changes now and post back. Thank you so fucking much.

>>2969386


Hha. I just realized I cropped the image all wrong and my whole message is full of spelling mistakes. Sorry dude. I still hope you can get something out of this...

>>2969393
Its so much more than i expected, thanks man.

>>2969391

Yehh. NP. Keep on rocking dawggh...

Any input on >>2969242

May have to work a different pose altogether for the commission, as the perspective shot may be a bit too challenging. Although I like how most of it came out so far.

>>2969295

>>2969405

What are you going to do with it? Is it going to be a line art thing or a shaded thing? Are you going to be painting over it with Photoshop? Tell us a little more about what you're trying to achieve with this image.

I don't mean to be an asshole but to me it just looks like a highly sexualized image of some chick with huge boobs that isn't really drawn all that well. I could still give you feedback if you tell me what it's "trying to be"...

>>2969408

Dude... I can't see what you've changed! Another thing you might want to do is changing the background to something close to 50% gray. It really helps with keeping your values consistent IMO.

>>2969414
I'm not that dude.
I just flipped the pic so he could spot the faults easier.
Like that leg lol

>>2969411
From the commissioner, "traditional hand drawn piece at least 11x 17 in size. Nude female with huge breasts and a hairy bush, also the more detailed depiction of genitals the better."

From the sounds of things he wants me to shade, add in details/rendering, etc. May have to do some inking, which I haven't done much of to be frank.

Anything to help would be appreciated.

>>2966388
kind of beautiful.

>>2969418

So this is the only thing I could come up with ub 10 minutes. It's really bad even by my low standards. I don't know anything about creating pornographic art so this is all fucked up.

Only ideas I got were:

- Put her other arm on her waist. Looks more natural.

- Have two light sources. One or her face/tits and one from below for her pussy.

- Concentrate on your core shadows. That's what'll make it pop.


Hope you can pull it off! I know I probably couldn't...

>>2969454

I'll add another tip though. If you want to do shit like this for clients you might want to get a software like Daz 3D. You can pose characters and change their physical attributes to your liking. If you have more cash you might also consider getting Key shot so you can light those characters. You'd always have good reference for all the poses and anatomy and shit...

>>2969386
Ok mastah here is the result. I didn't improvise too much, but I love what you changed. Especially the addition of more hues into her jacket and leg. Great shit man.

>>2969475

Hey man! That's fucking great! I'm still sticking with some of the stuff that I did in my quick over painting.

- There's a weird dark/over saturated thing on the breast to our right. I'd fix that.

- Add the ambient blue light you have on her cheek (and now on her hair) to the shoulder to our right and maybe a little pit on her right tiddy. Think about it. It would definitely hit that part too if it's hitting her face...

- Change the background to something other than white! It just makes it so much easier to work on the piece! the head of the sword is white too! It doesn't read well! Exclamation marks...

Other than that this still looks really good! I hope you post more stuff when this is more finished. GG niggahh...

>>2969486
Cool man, made the changes! (BG changed in original comp not in pic). Here is an example of another piece I did if you're interested.

>>2969486
woops screencap shat the bed/ here is the actual change

>>2969495

Cool! I'm guessing that's a study? I'm not really a great painter my self (Pic related. Just a 4h. study). It's just much easier to give feedback to others because you can see the mistake and make "harsh" decisions on stuff when it's not your own work. You're less precious about that stuff. Painting females is especially hard to me. I like painting/sculpting monsters and muscular males. I think you could afford playing around with more intense lighting scenarios and shit since your basic painting abilities are really good. You should also try doing over paintings on other peoples stuff here. It's not just about helping others. It's a really good way of learning stuff in general...

>>2969495
You need to study some fundies my man. Obviously there's potential but that gap between your photocopy and imagination work is... Large.

>>2969505
This wasnt intended to be realistic. I was going for the comicy League style art.

>>2969504
Your work looks really well rendered bro, like from a CG movie. And I agree, after staring at the same painting for 5 hours straight its hard to tell where the errors are lol. Thank you so much for helping me out, it means alot. I really hope more people on ic take the same initiative.

>>2969508
Even so.

>>2969517
>>2969505

I'm going to agree and disagree with you on this. I think his/her skills with fundementals are relatively good enough for what he's doing (creating comicy Leagy style art). Most of the issues I see in his image have to do with inconsistent rendering with lighting, some anatomy and workflow.

I don't really think that there's a huge gap. Mostly stuff that can be figured out by asking some questions on teh intarwebz. Something that working with a little bit of 3D rendering might fix.

>>2969521

Cool. What are you trying to do?

>>2968939
I just got home from work so I'll check it out now. ty
>>2969174
Eh.. the colors weren't exactly opposite each other on the color wheel. Blending modes did something strange.
I'll fix that

>>2969523
just sketching. it's a character from runescape i decided to draw.

>>2969529

Nice. Tell me if the vidya helped you at all... I hope you don't work at a gas station.

>>2965864
love it.

>>2969651
none of this machinery maks much sense and adding glow works better when you have values rendered in more than what you have

>>2969461
somebody notice me ree

>>2969461
Her hair feels disconnected from her head.
The point where feet and the calf touch creates a tangent, it doesn't look good.

That's it, you have great linework, I'd love to see colored or rendered pieces from you

>>2969651
Noted. Wouldn't really say the machinery makes no sense. It makes a lot more sense than the shiny piles of "whatever" people normally user for electronics and machinery in art.

>>2969660
i like it anon. remove the blue sketch lines and whatnot and move forward with it. i messed with it a tad

>>2969667
This
>>2969657
for this

>>2969670
i gotcha. i still dont understand what the image is supposed to convey. if anything the gears on the characters head etc make absolutely no sense. if anything work on the construction/rendering. etc

>>2969678
Convey? I treat drawing like Tetris I start at a point in this case the outside of the gear around the head. I didn't plan on drawing the girl or anything else. Basically, it's a doodle.

>>2969685
Well maybe you should start planning cohesive drawings as your next milestone

>>2969688
made me kek

Doing a humorous comic for the nofap community, the joke is that after you get to 90 days you become a super human who becomes gay then goes after unsuspecting day 1's. Ridiculous I know but it made me laugh. Any tips?

>>2969692
The fuck is this tiny window? Looks like a painting.

>>2969695
That's the point.

1h. 20min. self portrait. I'm feeling particularly sexy today! Must be the weather or something...

>>2969700

Oh fuck, sorry the file is fucking huge... Oh well. Too bad.

>>2969700
You ever do pieces other than fantasy portraiture and busts?
I'd like to see a complete scene from you, you always have this rim lighting that makes me wonder what's going on around the subject.

>>2969688
Don't have to go full tedium every time you sit down to draw. I'm a network admin not a career artist :p

>>2969695
Window needs work of course but it's supposed to make him look huge and you can probably guess what else.

>>2969707
And you dont need to be a career artist/bored when you draw. Dont make excuses.

>>2969706

I'm trying to get into doing more elaborate scenes. I tend to fuck things up though so I'll never post them... I'm trying to put together a portfolio of comfort zone work so I could get some kind of job for the summer. Once I get that shit figured out I'll start doing more studies on landscapes and shit so I can get more interesting stuff done... Painting is fucking hard...

>>2969711
Excuses? XD What is this world? I'm just a guy that's a hero for fun.

>>2968862
What is it with that smudge, are you trying to be edgy or you can't fucking paint eyes ?

>>2969454
>>2969458
In terms of the pose I was using reference from a Danni Ashe video. One where the camera was in fact in a perspective shot similar to this.

There are a few things I filled in the gap with to push the perspective some. In the legs and attempting to give the boobs a bit more sag.

>>2968019
Decided to go along with the deer and sun shafts since they were also on my mind.

>>2969783
the tangent REEE please fix it or im gonna cry

>>2969801
What do you mean by tangent ?

>>2969809
Basically plenty of people looking for advice but some get overlooked. Due to a lack of interest, but it'd be good if people at least tell the person what to work on if they can't give a full on fix for the image.

>>2969801
I... I forgot, Ill look at it

>>2969809
It is a flow of shapes or lines that flow into eachother causing the forms to naturally blend (which you want to avoid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIWllIMHsg

>>2967982

His visible hand is so fucking tiny, how did you not notice this?

What are you working on /ic/? post it!

which is the best one? 1 is the original

>>2969915
a more blank/mean expression would be more soothing

>>2969995
I think 2 looks the best with the slight increase in contrast but it mostly depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you wish to add more color variety I'd suggest grabbing 3 and blending it in with the original

I'll experiment with the face later tonight, right now I mostly just want to make a bunch of thumbnails and generate some ideas

>>2969700
>>2969713
Great use of textured/variety of brushes, but if you struggle on bigger scenes then thats all the more reason to post those instead of what is in your comfort zone

>>2969521
draw hands

>>2968407
not that anon, but my issue with the mountains are the lines, if you used just watercolors to make the mountains it would become more subtle. I really love the grass and the house tho, really nice job

I completely fucked up the hand, but I think I got a nice balance and cleanliness to the line art. So I'm fairly happy with it.

Any thoughts?

did more to this

did more to this too

>>2969327
Thanks mang

>>2970363
did more to this too too

>>2965402
I like it

This thread will probably sage quick, it's getting full, but help pls, with everything about this shitty sketch. I understand the lineart is abhorrent, I'm gonna fix that.

Also if /k/ is here tell me what the sexiest gun to give her would be.

>>2969229
eh

>>2970302
>>2970363
>>2970539
This is literally nothing
Stop wasting paint you toddler

crit?

The only thing I would like to know is any structural or anatomical issues with this >>2969242

Any criticism with regards to that would be much appreciated.

>>2971079
Serval-Friend Desu~

Only thing I'd change is to make more of her face visible from bag-chan.

I'm working on a traditional portfolio for university.
Please point out everything, I don't know anyone who could give me some criticism

>>2971181

This is really good! Only thing you might want to work on are the values on the guys face. I'd like to see a little more variation there. It's really good as it is, so don't ruin it. (I didn't do anything to it. Just turned into B&W)

>>2971181
You could facilitate a critique if you post the ref aswell.

Either way, it looks really nice. I can't see any glaring flaws.

>>2971194
here it is

>>2971191
It does look rather flat, thanks

Here's another one. For now the only finished part is the face

>>2971197
thanks.
I don't know how faithfull you wanted to be to the original. If you wanted to do it more accuratly i'd say the contrast betwen the shadow side an light side of the face could be pushed quite a bit. The temperature of the face should be alot cooler aswell. And I would prefere to have less blended planes, but that is taste based. I realise that might be alot of reworking to do, so maybe just think of that till next time. its really nicely executed.

>>2971205
P.S.

Also the nose bridge is a bit to arched.

>>2971205
Changing the palette to a cooler one would require me to paint almost the entire thing again. But as you and >>2971191
said I really should darken the side of his face.
Thanks a lot, for once I got some good advice here

>>2970753
alright here's where you fucked up.
You're drawing in symbols: "neck. shoulder, tiddy, midriff" etc. You have to LOOK AT THINGS.

Look at your reference. you can't even see below her tits, it goes breasts, gun, thigh from top to bottom, so why are you drawing her belly button in the lineart?
Try drawing AROUND the figure. Ignore the fact there's something you're trying to draw and draw the negative spaces instead.
Also ffs don't do this scratchy line business. One confident, inaccurate line is better than 100 accurate lines that don't know where they're supposed to be.

i made a whole new person
and this is where one year half assed drawing has lead to fml