/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2957529
>>>/co/

You put it like the west weren't always inhibited.
If anything the west is less stagnant than ever.

>>2957532
This. bye

>>2957529
European comics are doing well as always, it's mostly the US that is overrun by garbage.

I think the Japanese have by far the best paneling, they use bleeds so nicely and even in comics that are otherwise not so well drawn there's such a nice flow. Eisner used to be very creative with that sort of stuff but nowadays you just don't see that anymore in the West, can't really tell any examples.

i don't have the most in depth understanding of japanese contract-law, but it seems like mangaka maintain far more rights and control over their work than the work-for-hire shit that's largely obligatory in the west. why would you make anything original for marvel or dc when anything you create is automatically their property? combine this with the fact that the big 2 basically view their comic business as an ip mill for movies & don't have any incentive to produce a competitive high-quality product and the sickening nepotism & horrendous unprofessional books with art that would be laughed at in a webcomic getting pumped out for the past couple of years begin to make a lot of sense.

>>2957556
anon is right though, yurop is still good

If you look beyond the standard murrican capeshit there's really quite enough variety. I'm sure /co/ can point you in the right direction.

>>2957616
>the big 2 basically view their comic business as an ip mill for movies & don't have any incentive to produce a competitive high-quality product
Why is the industry so different in the west? I imagine the magazines the japanese comics are serialized in have the opportunity to coerce the creators into giving up more rights, and they have more than enough IPs to constantly mill, but they seem to always be concerned about finding the next big thing.

>American comics
Superhero liberalism
>Franco-Belgian comics
Mostly slapstick
>Japanese manga
High-concept with engaging characters

Carl Barks used a 20x30" art board in order to draw Donald Duck comics. American artists were forced into using a small size 11x17" Art board in 1966 (essentially A3) while manga artists make use of an even smaller A4 board.

David B's Epileptic demonstrates what an Eastern style would look like in a more Western society. It's not purely ornamental but I wonder what his French influences were.

>>2957767
not entirely sure why it ended up that way, but pretty much the entire history of american comics is one of creators getting screwed out of their work. for all the hate he gets, rob liefield is one of the few people who actually tried to stop this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Japan#Author.27s_rights

look into the section on author's rights,

comics ARE for kids anyways, grow up nerds

>>2957620
>DUDE MURRICAN, BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH SAID AMERICA THAT WAY, SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT AHAHA
can this die yet?

>>2957620
In America it's really not as much as you think. Europe and Japan far surpass it in terms of variety.

Crap like Saga, Crossed or the Walking Dead isn't much better than capegarbage. In fact I'd say they're worse, honestly.

>>2957859
I imagine he'd be the type to be super protective of his work since being the shitter he is it must take colossal effort even to churn out the garbage he did.

>>2957862
europe has comics?

>>2957532
This. Fuck off b/a/iting faggot

>>2957849
Fuck off Duckfag. Nobody is bound to particular page sizes these days so your ancient facts are redundant. Anything above A3 is impractical anyway

>>2957890
>anything above 11x17" is impractical
Neck yourself.

>>2957881
France especially has a huge field. Actually, if you can get published in french, its a sure way to make money compared to any American one (be it USA or Canada)

>>2957914
In all seriousness, anything above A3 is just extra work. I gotta do 22pgs in five weeks, I'm not making more work for myself.

D'you work at that scale for comics?

>>2957918
Actually the money they pay people to do albums (typically 48pg graphic novels) in Europe is notoriously bad. It might be better culture and infrastructure over there but they don't offer the same page rates high-tier publishers like Marvel or Valiant would

>>2957918
what are some french comics

are we gonna post some of our favorite westaboo/weeaboo comic panels and spreads?
jiro matsumoto has a great handling of panelling, and has a very pleasant sketchy style.

>>2957930
>22 pgs in 5 weeks
Really?

I bang out that many in half the time, and 8.5x11 size

>>2957936
http://www.soleilprod.com/bd.html