/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2948265
hay gays, check out my new drawing.
what do u think :)

>>2948301
bad bait

>>2948304
Shit, I forgot to change the filename.

>>2948265
Wtf - OP wasn't in the last thread. Why didn't you pick the Wendy's ahegao?

You had one job, I've never been so disappointed

>>2948345
Because he is a fucking asshole. He regularly picks things that are pure shit or his own work over others. People have been here close to a year putting out dope work and never see the op. Some asshole comes in and scribbles gets the op. Fucking garbage. That 2b oilpainting type thing would have been great too. Already there are 2 images in this thread that should be the next OP image.

>>2948338
I meant to ask this last thread but blog?

>>2948355
Thegoldensmurf.

>>2948345
Sugoi's pic was nice & so was the edit.
>>2948347
OP pic necessarily isn't about the best as that wouldn't be fair and discouraging to others.

>>2948381
Not in thread doesn't get a pic, kill yourself, false thread, someone make a new one.

>>2948429
plumply pussy

>>2948381
>fair
horseshit
I have been in this fucking thread so far back I remembered when you posted that Chuunibyou image of Rika with the oversized sweater. I have put out dope shit, and never once gotten the fucking OP image. At this point I don't even want to be associated with this tumblr tier shit, because thats what you always choose. Tumblr tier pisswater. I have decided that essentially I am superior to everyone here except a few.

>>2948381
You didn't even choose an image from the last thread, how fair is that asshole?

>>2948443
Then you would remember this isn't the first time. It's a change of pace thing. Besides it's a cute image, no?
>>/ic/thread/S2791932
>>/ic/thread/S2653231
>>/ic/thread/S2659220
>>2948457
Sorry I upset you.

>>2948479
I for one appreciate the guy who quickly and consistently checks if a thread is too old and makes a new one, while linking to it.

The 'everyone gets a trophy and no one should feel inadequate' mentality doesn't work.

>>2948479
>It's a change of pace thing.
Just because its been done before doesn't mean its welcome.

You realize at least 3-5 times a month there is this drama about the fucking op image right? Its not just about me, I feel the same for others I see putting out good work and growing. I never have linked my stuff and said 'this needs to be the op image' because thats fucking selfish. I just want the best to represent US as a community and as a thread. I want our thread to shit on the other generals here with how good it is. I am fiercely competitive and the fire to get better drives me like others here. Lets make our thread the best we can okay? That image being cute is irrelevant to my concerns. Other people have done cute things here too. No one gives a shit about your personal opinions okay? I appreciate you coming here and making this thread and sharing your wisdom with us. I just want you to put your personal perferences aside as much as possible and be more diverse in your OP image selection. I mean if I wanted OP image it wouldn't be hard because it would just mean making some generic tumblr tier shit. This isn't meant to be personal its just you pick the same stuff time and time again.

>>2948345
>>2948347
>>2948381
>>2948443
>>2948479
>>2948498
If you guys wanna shitpost go to /b/ or /trash/ or something

This is a fucking stupid thing to argue about go draw or something for fuck's sake

>>2948549
fuck off retard I don't see you drawing shit ngmi

>>2948301
This image made me quit. The competition's overwhelming

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Goddess of Ugliness - Destroyer of Self-Doubt
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>>2948606
you /need/ to look at reference man

>>2948704

>>2948381
>>2948479
>Besides it's a cute image, no?
If you want to make threads with cute images go to /a/ or /w/

It's like we were all enjoying a movie together, and you are the little kid who walks up and changes the channel to watch Teletubbies.

Can you just take a break from making new threads? We were doing fine before you came over. There are enough of us who have been in alt for years who know how / when to make a new thread.

For fucks sake can you at least do the following
1) take off your trip - then we won't know it's you being a spoiled brat
2) wait until we hit bump limit - on multiple occasions you blow your load too soon with your choice selections
3) at least pick something original from the thread or /ic/

/beg/ and /draw/ seem to have this figured out, it would be common courtesy to do likewise

>>2948748
>/beg/ seems to have this figured out

thank u appreciate it

>>2948748
You okay? Take it easy.

>>2948748
you know how much effort hes put in you piece of shit? Stop complaining and be grateful.

>>2948773
Fuck off, other people can make threads too. Holy shit its 4chan. Its not like we are talking about getting a gf.

>>2948772
Someone gave you advice, consider learning from it.
>>2948773
He copies and pastes shit into a new thread every once and a while, big fucking deal. Any of us could do that.

>>2948347
Caring
>>2948443
This
>>2948498
Fucking
>>2948748
MUCH

Bait or not, fucking go to /t/umblr, you're THAT triggered you'd fit right in.

If anyone wants to join, here's a small /ic/ discord for drawing anime girls and being autistic. Everyone is welcome!

i made an aminay

>>2948794
Forgot link.
https://discord.gg/wTMzs

>>2948606
boxman, i hope someone fucking mails you the anthrax virus. you are cancer. i wish you finally left, but no. you keep coming back and lowering the fucking bar for this shitty board even further. fuck off.

>>2948772
>>2948789
Is this a new meme where you keep saying HURR STOP CARING XDD NOTHING MATTERS ENJOY LIFE to cover retarded people?

If it is, then stop it.

>>2948794
kys

>>2948854
You're invited too.

>>2948795
No you didn't, you can just throw over sized eyes and a simplified nose on your existing style and call it anime.
Anime has a distinct style, this looks nothing like it.

>>2948866
> Anime has "A" distinc style

Retard. Bahamut is Anime. mob Psycho is Anime.

>>2948867
Your shit doesn't looks like bahamut or mob
>le aminay XD

>>2948788
>>2948785

remember the thread quality before he took over?

>>2948862
The blonde bitch is better,

>>2948606
Need to work on those hands

>>2948789
You are like a 14 year old trying to act cool. Some people like to care at least a little bit about some things in life. Sorry that you dont have anything like that.

lazy drawing of misty

>>2949064
If what you care about is the absolutely meaninglessness images used to start general thread on 4chan you need to reevaluate your priorities in life, mate.

Critique/redline please.

>>2948280
>>2948711
any advice on picking up lazy background skeelz? i've been avoiding bgs for ages and i'm sick of myself for it

>>2949114
I won't go into details of what I'll say (mostly because I don't think I can provide them to you in anyway you can really benefit of), so I'll give an overall of what I think of it

>clothing
Suit is drawn pretty well. Take a look at how clothes and fabrics work when it comes to people wearing them/creases
>perspective
not bad at all, there aren't many complications in it. The more you practice and learn it, the better it will get.
>that hand
Learn how to draw hands, specifically fingers, more. But, you're getting there
>head
the top part of her head really seems to be too big in proportion to the rest of the head. It mikes the face seem way smaller than it actually is.

>>2949116
Idk, I just have a basic understanding of perspective, and kinda just loosely make lines, representing buildings, or whatever the background is.

I'm proud of this one. Critique to rid me of the feeling?

>>2949125
i wish beginners would just stop giving crits. its more harmful than helpful

>>2949137
Do you have another, actual input then?

>>2949137
I actually do quite agree with you here, but then we face the problem of:
>oh shit, I shouldn't open my mouth since I am a beginner, that's definitely a good mindset
>who is a beginner, who isn't a beginner
>is what they say even really wrong?

>>2949096
Just because its unimportant doesnt mean that you shouldnt care about it at all. With that attitude you get these guys who dont care about their clothes or their hygiene and are fat. Because well its pretty meaningless right.

>>2949233
pooooops

>>2949235
10 year old

>>2948748
>>2948498
>>2948347
>>2948345
>>2949064
>>2949233

Stop shitting up the thread.

>>2949244
>creating an off topic post complaining about off topic posts

>>2949155
I think you should start focusing on making more confident lines. You have a somewhat appealing style, but everything you draw looks incredibly flimsy.

>>2949125
>perspective not bad at all

I think he should review this.

what do you think of this

>>2948606
Im still happy youre here, pls dont leave me bby

>>2949032
I like the one at the upper right.
If you use that type of shadow, you should think on going full realistic.

just a quick sketch..

>>2949487
Dude, you keep posting the same thing. You really need to break out of your comfort zone and do some studies, because nothing is improving. Sketch some pictures of real girls and apply what you learn to your anime, and please study or ref hands.

>>2949487
>that neck
>those shoulders
I like how you did the rendered the eyes kinda cute but seriously listen to
>>2949522

Couple of WIP's...

Feedback before I finish the faces and ink them?

>>2949545

Second one.

>>2949545
>>2949547
terribly stiff

>>2949560

Which of the four figures? Or all of them?

>>2949568
mostly the entire second drawing.

Just a quick doodle lol lel hahaha funny XD
Seriously tho...I think talking about my thinking process for observation drawing will help anyone willing to critique my drawing.

When i start a sketch, I work from one point of the, in this case, face, and work out from there measuring the angles and lengths of other things relative to the starting point.

It's kinda inspired by contour drawing in which you don't take your hand off the paper. I noticed it produced nice results though it requires a lot of focus and for larger subjects, the "Starting mark" needs to be longer to reduce measuring errors (not to big not to small relative to the whole subject)

I didn't use construction but I'll learn. Pretty much all I can do is copy things but I'm not perfect at that either.

Oh dear I forgot the actual content!

And here's the original reference

>>2949570

Well that's a shame. Thought about altering the perspective, but that seems like the lazy way out. A "good' artist should be able to create a dynamic piece from any viewing angle... I messed with the curvature of the poses to try to suggest motion, like "the book" says.

...Troubles of an amateur.

>>2949568
Can I suggest you try and depict pressure and weight in your figures?

Show tension and exaggeration of the figure. The orc in your second pic is preparing to swing down with full force at the mage so show some indication that this is causing tension on his body possibly by having the torso twist.

I think looking into animation would help a lot in your work especially in terms of, what is called, "anticipation"

The mage could be drawn hunching her head and shoulders inwards to indicate fear.

Don't forget to think about the figures centre of gravity. A strong motion often times involves THE WHOLE body not just a few areas.

>>2949582
I think the problem is that the clothes and hair look static too, like they posing rather than actually doing the action.

idk if I'm getting my point across.

they look like they are posing rather than doing an action.

>>2949359
too skinny. doesnt give off that fearsome dark knight aura.

>>2949359
I like it, but that cloth looks hella lazy compared to the rest of the drawing (which was probably added after; good choice imo)

>>2949593

Thanks, I'll give that a shot.

>>2949359
where the belts at

>>2949136
Not bad but clearly incomplete.

Nice for a sketch, not so much for a real drawing.

>>2949599

I understand what you're saying, I'm just trying to visualize the changes to the poses. Working from imagination is tough.

I think I'm going to try watching some quality animated combat in slow motion... Work on that "anticipation" thing. I can visualize what you're saying, but I can't freeze the sequence in my head.

Any suggestions?

>>2949547
>>2949620
Shitty redline but just trying to get my point accross.

Try thinking how their muscles would be flexing and how it would look like if they were trying to put effort in their actions.

I tried to make the hair messier like if they just moved a lot or was in the air, moved some body members to make it look like if they were in the middle of some action (for example, the chick in the right looked more like she has been posing rather than actually fallen or in the anticipation of caught something, so I tried to changed it like if her right arm was trying to reach or caught something, mover her neck like she was about to get up, changed the way her left arm looked in relation to the body by making it look like she was lying in it, etc.)

Also wrapped the clothes around them if they were being pulled in a direction rather than just being static (notice the wrinkles around the belt of the ogre)

Added a little sweating that made it look like it fell from the ogre

etc.

>>2949359
Updated version.

>>2949644
Looks nice.

>>2949644
Looking better, but the cloth still looks a little out of place in terms of lighting/shading; I think it has to do with the fact that on armor, you used a lot of little hatching-type strokes, whereas the cloth has a lot more of a soft-shadow type effect.

>>2949266
Thanks, I need to be more conscious with my line next time, as I tend to place line too quickly without giving much thought on digital

>>2949614
I'm getting that a lot, but I guess I don't understand what makes a drawing unfinished.

>>2949727
A drawing finished, rather.

>>2948280
boob anatomy is odd and over exaggerated

colors are too desaturated, looks like a bad insta filter.

use less detail in backgrounds as to not draw attention away from the focus point, especially when using ms paint

>>2948812
>anthrax
>virus

ngmi

>>2949854
was gonna say her left shoe looks a little off but then i realized i was wrong. very cute drawing

>>2949849
Okay, PETER

how do i into digital inking/linework?

it can't possibly be vectoring everything. or zooming in, erasing, repainting, and re-erasing various pixels.

How can I get my drawings to be less stiff and look more fluid/dynamic like yoshinari yoh's?

>>2949871
>fluid/dynamic
years and years of gesture drawings
you know vlippu would make his students come in and draw gestures for like 8 hours I have heard

So is there no torrents for that palmie.jp site or are people here actually paying for it???

>>2949881
Yeah.
At the end the students would do a tournament and the winner would do a gesture battle against vilppu.

>>2949871
When in doubt, try contrapposto

>>2949883
I want Shishou to do a gesture in my mouth.

I'm stuck forever with this image. I've looked through some mangos and images, walls outside, but still looks off. I just want this fucking wall to look like a fucking wall, what the fuck is happening?

I also don't know if letting the building far being that dark is wrong or passable.

>>2949901
There's no texture. Most buildings will have some kind of speckled texture, spigots or vents coming out of the wall, green algae or dirt, bugs or plants clinging to the wall, etc.

>>2949904
Hmm, gonna mess with that then.

I'm trying to design a character for a comic idea, crit on the design and the art would both be appreciated

>>2949904
But Manga buildings have no texture like that.

>>2949955
yeah they do

>>2949901
I think it's the lack of detail/design on the house. Look at houses around yourself, often they might have plants in the front, or piping on the side, or even damage on the walls.
Try giving this house some more character. Who lives inside of it? How would they decorate the exterior? Do they try to keep their front yard well kept?

>>2949952
Is alright.

>>2949757
filling the white with details or coloring.

>>2949901
Also, I feel the lack of depth is a hindrance as well. Those singles above the door look paper thin, perhaps you could thicken them up a little? The side windows also seem to be pasted on rather than built into the doors/walls.

>>2949969
What kind of material is that street made of? And why the fuck is the architecture so weird in Japan?

>>2949969
>>2949973
I know the details are important, but are they the key then?

The quality on pic related, for example, we could say then it is related to the way windows, doors and all that are portrayed? I'm kinda lazying up on everything because I'm really concentrated on the wall, but everything I search for reference is either pure white or almost it.

I may be autistic, but whenever I have a problem in a piece I want to find the "essence" of what is lacking, like what I definitely could not forget to put in. The barrier between the professional stuff and the amateur.

>>2949990
I think it has to do with the fact that you haven't seen it yourself, so it's not realistic and able to relate to. Pretty much immerse yourself into Japanese houses and know the ins and outs. Check out Google maps and walk around Japan.

>>2949901
>>2949990
Maybe it's your composition of detail? The one example you posted is being cut into thirds with the sky making up the last fourth of the entire image, while yours is the entire house taking up the frame and is split into halves. Maybe something about how widely spaced the divisions are make yours look even more sparse.

>>2949990
Imho details are what make a home feel real and lived in. It's like walking into a model home vs. one that is actually lived in. In a model home everything is too perfect, too pristine without clutter or uniqueness, while a lived in home will have all sorts of odd decorating choices and usually won't be perfectly clean.

Looking at the photo you provided, it has a lot more details, like the design on the railing, the telephone lines in the back, and the porch light. All of these are things you would expect to see around a real home, but are absent in your picture. Walk around a neighborhood, look at more photos of hoses, pick up on trends and incorporate them into your picture.

Additionally, I feel the close angle of your drawing might be constricting you. I can't tell how big the front yard is, or how tall/wide the house is from this angle, which further prevents you from showing the building's personality. I know it's difficult to redraw the whole thing at this point, though, so just remember it in the future.

>>2949990
The image you posted reads well without any wall texture because 1, it's not a close up, 2, it has a much better value structure with sharp cast shadows, darker tone contrasts through the window and ceiling and more interesting smaller shapes to break up the main shape of the house. Plus you can see some nice grain texture in the shadows which might be accidental paper /print texture, but it gives the illusion of texture on the wall.

>>2950001
>>2950002
>>2950014
Fuck, I always wanted to believe composition was not that necessary, just a bonus. It's too abstract for me to really grasp it, the rules are so loose and confusing.

Maybe I will redraw it trying to think about the shot a bit more.

>>2950020
Composition is about a fundamental as you can get, it's honestly more important than stuff like anatomy, perspective and rendering if want to draw readable and interesting illustrations.
Assuming this is an establishing shot comic panel, you should be thinking about how easily the reader will be able to deduce the location. Show enough of the location so the readers know the environment. Often it's helpful to show the entirety of the building so it's not left ambiguous how big the building is.

head's gonna be miltank, hands are gonna be holding out the string/straps from a small bikini that'll probably be pulled off somewhat, ran outta time, gotta get packed for my passage to slumber town

>>2948280
i like the way you designed the silhouette/breast shape, but the inner details like the design on the shirt and the lines kinda betray the form they should have. even with such a simplified/flat style you still gotta think more in threedeee

>>2949868
anyone? took me like 10 minutes to do on paper but an hour to redo not even all the lines in digital. not even worried about line weighting yet, just clean enough that it somewhat resembles the paper sketch and not a complete mess.

what am i missing???

>>2950050
Grinding.

>>2948265
Does studying Disney style count? Is this welcome?

>>2950163
Fuck me I forgot the image sorry its early.

I finally got a wideformat all-in-one so I can print full size blueline pencils and properly scan the inks.

To break it in I've started inking a Jim Lee piece. I feel so sorry for Scott Williams lol.

>>2950176

Pencils

>>2950167
Sorry if you cant see it im trying to practice fundamentals on traditional first. There I blacked her so you can see it better.

>>2950210
Holy shit I'm so sorry

>>2950212
Define fundamentals

flash poo poo

>>2950224
Reminds me to when they cheap out on western cartoons.

>>2950220
Loomis, Hampton, boxes, still life drawings, drawing from references, 2&3 point perspective and of course figure drawing. Did I miss anything? Crit of my Disney stylization?

>>2949981
It's just asphalt. Probably with red coloring to indicate a one-way street or other kind of restriction.

>>2950226
really? i was trying to stay away from that...

>>2950230
Your style is fine, its cute but the eyes on this one is just annoying to look at.

>>2950235
hmm... i think im catching on what youre saying, and i think i know how to fix it

thanks for honest critique my boy

>>2950237
No prob that's what we're here for. Can I get a critique on my Disney style drawing? I know its not a full figure I was just practicing the features.

>>2950242
ya forgot to post it!

>>2949868
>>2950050
You're not really missing some secret trick, it takes a while to get used to it and do something good.

I'm really really trying to get back in to art after 2 years of life getting in the way.
I just get discouraged so easily because I hate what I draw. To get back in the swing of things I'm going to start some life drawing classes to regain some skill and try to not feel like such a shit when I draw.
It makes me feel terrible and I just don't want to draw after because I feel like the worst. How do I overcome this? I just wanna git gud but negative feelings keep feeding in to each other. I dunno where this came from because I used to be so determined and it didn't bother me because drawing shit is just part of the process as long as you learn from it, but now it just makes me feel like a loser.
Pic related, I drew this last night and while initially I was excited when drawing it, I had to force myself to finish. I look at it now and I'm embarrassed of it. What do. I feel like it's holding me back from progressing.

>>2950409
The answer is always to draw more.

>>2950413
Yeah that's really the huge problem, and why I'm hoping life drawing classes will help with that.
When I draw and see the finished result I just think it sucks and it totally demotivates me because I feel like an idiot for wasting so much time drawing that 1 thing. It's like this viscous cycle. The less I draw the more my skill deteriorates, but when I draw I get discouraged because I feel like I've gotten worse/it looks like shit, so I don't draw, which makes my skill deteriorate... it's really fucking shit.

>>2949854
Blog?

>>2949871
I would suggest first using a larger brush size with a slightly lower opacity (95%ish) when first sketching, I find it tends to be less restricting, more easier to draw a "flowy" piece this way
also as >>2949881 said, gesture is key!

>>2950409
the chromatic aberration kinda hurts
I know your feel though, anon, what I found was that doing studies was a way of drawing without hating my art, and eventually those studies fed into more skill when actually drawing what I wanted.
Also maybe keep drawing lots of sketches/thumbnails before committing to a piece. Doing some more work and planning beforehand will make you hate yourself less in the gruelling painting + rendering + polishing process.
good luck!!

>>2950251
^^^Look above to the belle drawing anon I can't post it trice

>>2950409
Learn to not be so hard on yourself anon. I've literally filed 4 sketchbooks over the past 2 years with shit with no idea what I was doing. You took a break and now you're back. Give yourself some leeway. Also 7/10

not sure how to draw anime head looking down (especially the nose)
and struggling somewhat with the hands
any feedback much appreciated

>>2950532
blog?

>>2949871
To think I'd find a holy grail here

>>2949871
Yours doesn't look bad from what I'm seeing but I suppose your going to want to do a fuckton of gesture drawings. Maybe look at and study his figure drawings and copy it to get an idea of how he works. Hope this helps.

Anyone have tips/reference on compositing/setting up values for an 'everyone' scene like this?

>>2950634
right buttcheek too big

>>2950634
bloggggggggggggggggggggggg/???

>>2950634
so good, blog?

>>2949871
Head is too big, desu. The hand holding Sapphire is bigger than the other. The head should also be at a different angle, in my opinion.

>>2950634
I can't even imagine how you drew such an immaculate ass. Blog pleaseeee?

>>2950638
Yeah, also pushed it a bit too much with the waist, tried to give it a quick fix.

>>2950660
>>2950680
>>2950690
I can't tell if it's supposed to be shitposting or not but oh well.
>>2948374

>>2950701
:^)

>>2950701
left buttcheek bottom needs to come out further and be flatter to mirror right, and it needs to bulge out higher as well. it's good art otherwise, nice knees n drapery

>>2950701
You really like opm, don't you squidward.

>>2948794
link doesn't work

are there any good books in japanese about anime/manga drawing I can buy on amazon.co.jp?

By the way, I'm a complete beginner at drawing, but I want to try studying from the start in anime style, skipping realism. If it doesn't work out I'll revert to the standard approach. I have a strong suspect that drawing, especially stylized drawing, is more a matter of "memorizing" a huge quantity of different variations (ie you can't draw well a character in a certain perspective if you haven't ever drawn that perspective before). I want to bet on this conjecture and document my progress from day one, saving every single drawing

>>2950780
Don't use books, just analyze your favorite artists around, it's the best method by far to study styles.

>>2948772
Why do you make threads before the bump limit anyways? cant you just wait until we reach page 9? If these threads get 500+ replies we'll get more discussion.

/ic/ threads die after 3 days I dunno what's your problem with the rush. Are you racing someone?

>>2950802
back off him/her and draw

>>2948772
Also are you a Janny? I saw your trip made an alt thread once in the catalog and it got deleted then you made a new one.

What's your problem with the alt threads and /ic/ in general actually? Things here really changed when you took over as OP.

>>2950603
>tips
References. You should basically be using them until you can decide these values for yourself. I am not very good at this sort of thing, but thats how I approach figure drawing. Good luck!

>>2950806
cant do. My style is western and as far as I know these threads has become an eternal /a/ drawthreads without requests since this Tripfag took over.

>>2950780
>I have a strong suspect that drawing, especially stylized drawing, is more a matter of "memorizing" a huge quantity of different variations

You'd be wrong.

can i get some crit on this b4 i go further? thanks anons.

>>2950603
Is that big blank space in the top right a window? If so, obviously use that as the primary light source. If not, I'd put a big spotlight on the group in the middle, not too high-contrast, like a sunroof. For the characters on the sides, you have windows, so use them! They're going to be darker than the focal point, but you can still make them visible. Pics of dozens of characters inevitably have some that get lost, but you already chose the important ones by putting them center stage.

>>2950916
Legs look good because I'm sure they're highly referenced; give the same attention to the feet and hands of course. The real problem is her entire upper body looks like a different person just pasted on; she has a petite, skinny torso and neck, a somewhat small head, and moderately toned arms on top of these T H I C C legs. Give her some more meat. The very top of her chest poking out of the clothes is also tilted a bit too far forward, and she's not actually resting her arms on anything, which makes it feel awkward. Nice background, too.

>>2950949
thanks , i actually didn't reference the legs lol.
i i haven't added in what she is holding in the raised hand. but i will tweak her body some more to balance out her thickness and fix the head sizing . thanks anon.

>>2948795
Her neck, arms and feet are tiny compared to the head and body, fix them and fix that weird bulge on her left side

>>2950880
^ that , def dont do that . its more about forms and stuff.

>>2949952
6/10
You got a page put up your art? I wanna see where this goes.

>>2950775

>>2940045

>>2951024
Assuming you're not meming me
https://nessiefynnart.tumblr.com/

>>2950780
Completely skipping realism is a bad idea you got there.

mha made me love anime again

>>2949901
you're still working on that, and you've completely ignored the advice given to you previously. your values are completely off. why is that far building completely black?

>>2951158
I didn't ignore it, mate, I'm trying my best here. It's quite easy to spot off values, but how do I fix them? I tried and tried like a retard to fix it.

In fact, I removed the black building just to see if it was really interfering at all, but it's still shit so I guess it could stay there.

I appreciate every piece of advice I received, and I'm really sorry if it looks like I don't, but I'm not a genius and some things will just pass by my head. I'm not a good painter, this area is really hard for me to grasp.

>>2950775
https://discord.gg/NDuBf

>>2951201
are you working off a reference, or from your head?

>>2950701
are you trying to be assanagi?

>>2951269
My head. Probably a mistake, now that I think about it. Should have done like >>2949992 said and be more used to the subject.

>>2949871
>>2949881
>>2949884
>>2950466
>>2950559
>>2950580
>>2950685
Thank you for your responses senpais. I did some gesture drawings can I get some feedback?

>>2951213
please kys

I fell for the visual novel meme and bought tyranobuilder 2 years ago and haven't even touched it. Thinking about using this as a narrator to guide the reader throughout the story.

how the fuck do i draw hairrrrr

>>2951433
I know your pain.

About to attempt colouring this, thoughts?

>>2951418
Why the fuck did you buy TyranoBuilder? They Japanese version is free.

t. user of the better and still free program TyranoScript

>>2951491
Steam sales gets everyone eventually

>>2951354
You're STILL invited.

>>2951478
Humerus is way too long, but I don't recall which story that is so I can't recall if it's an error or not. Enlighten me?

>>2951477
No, it's fucking serious man
As soon as I draw the head and face whatnot, my mind goes fucking BLANK as soon as I attempt to draw the bangs
Like, completely fucking dim. All my neurons and almonds get wiped out. I don't know what to do. Hair is just impossible.

>>2951348
Fampai, when I do gesture drawing I do 40x1 minute gestures. Then a 5 or 10 minute detailed gesture like you did here but with more volumes. These are a good start. Try for at least 20 a day when you start to warm up, and keep going. Its going to take a few years to get as good as your inspiration, then a few thousand more on top of that to master it and own it.

>>2951514
Nah, that's an error, I guessed as much. Thanks for the feedback

>>2951517
STUDY PHOTOS
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>>2951522
HAIR IS A BUNCH OF SHIT TOGETHER THAT IS NOT JUST ONE THING BUT YOU NEED TO DO LIKE IT'S ONE BIG THING BUT IT'S NOT THEN IT'S SHIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE THING.

>>2951522
I have looked at everything man, this is borderline impossible.
I'm not going to give up, but I just don't know what and where to look at to improve.

>>2951527
Okay, I'll elaborate. Look at how other artists stylize hair and then try to apply what you learn to studies of photographs. At least that's what's helped me improve.

>>2951527
When you don't know how to stylize from reality, look to other people's stylizations. Good artists copy and great artists steal, and all that. Pick out an artist you look, examine their style of drawing hair, and copy it for yourself, and keep doing that until you have several different stylizations to choose from. Pick the one you like the best, modify it to pit your own personal preferences and aesthetic, and bam you got yourself a way to draw hair.

WIP
got a short burst of inspiration from Wataboku

>>2951567
it's cute
i want her to stab me and end my misery

>>2948265
hey is that guy mikufag still around, i was curious to see if he gitted gud

shitting out lazy drawings of anime girls facing slightly to the left is so god damn relaxing

just doodling with my new brush but i like how he came out

>>2951618
I like how he came out too. Makes me smile and laugh a bit.

>>2951614
C U T E C L O V E R
Color palette is fun, too.

>>2951618
Would make a creepy-cute kids' book character. Really digging it.

>>2951619
>>2951624
woah thanks you guys!! so kind,, , have a happy birthday clown Mosh : )

>>2950532
Use photo reference for the hands.
The torso is too short making the upper leg seem too long. The arms and hands also look too small to me.

>>2950916
Also use reference, it shouldn't be hard to find one for your pose. It's clear you got lazy with the hands and feet.

What do you guys think? Did I go a little too overboard on the shading?

This is my first real drawing in a while so I'm pretty doubtful on my ability to perceive my own shit.

>>2951655

Shit I didnt mean to upload it all xbox hueg sorry

Studying anatomy and figure drawing definitely made me feel like my stylized drawings were improving, but I still got a long way to go. Trying to draw limbs so they don't look flat is hard ;-;

>>2951652
Love you rendering abilities

>>2951655
Looks great, man, the shading is excellent, it's well rendered without being distracting. The right eye looks a bit too close to the nose, though that might just be me, and that lamp in the back is pretty wonky looking.

>>2951655
quite like it, but agree with >>2951671 about the eyes being uneven, as well as the mouth.
Perhaps flip the image (or hold it backwards to the light) to more easily spot these mistakes. I also find it a little odd that the right edge of her face is one curve, when it should be multiple curves indicating the contours of her face (cheek bone, transition to the chin, hollow of eye socket, etc)

>>2951691
>>2951671

Yeah the eyes gave me a bit of trouble, I flipped the pic several times to see what I could do and I just couldnt figure it out.

Another page of practice inking.

I never realized how time consuming this is.

>>2951655
you need serious perspective training. the body is heavily referenced and it works, but as soon as you try to apply your own stuff from memory (the face) everything falls apart. if you hope to ever be able to draw good stuff without having to rely on references as much as you do now, you will have to learn perspective and construction.
also, cross hatching should follow the planes of the forms. what you are doing here is too scratchy.

>>2951747

I did my best to follow the forms, that's what concerned me the most when shading the figure, I tried to use reference for the face but it just didnt click I guess.

I looked at a lot of different reference to figure out what worked and what didnt and tried to cobble together what i could.

I know plenty of construction and perspective, but as you can see I'm just not very good at application lol.

What program do you guys use? And what brush do you prefer?

I'm trying PS but I really can't find any brush I like.

>>2951537
You make it sound like a cakewalk man..

I'm trying to do a visual novel CG sorta thing, but-- I dunno, I'm not happy with how it's turning out. I have no idea how to draw anime.

It's still really rough and needs a lot of work, (Such as actually drawing in the background) but I figured I'd get some fresh eyes looking at it to point out any glaring flaws I've probably overlooked. Any thing you might have to say about it is greatly appreciated.

(I was playing around with the values and trying to get the lineart and forms of everything looking well before I started screwing around with color, so everything's black and white still.)

>>2951797
That texture on the top left is both kinda shit and doesn't works well with the rest of the shading. You looks like you try to make it fit the shape but it's a total fail.

Just try to do it by hand. I'd say.

>>2951519
>a few thousand years
are you a vampire?

>>2951567
finished this up, got too lazy

>>2950701
Done.

>>2950722
That's not hard to tell.

>>2951281
> assanagi

Was that on purpose?

Painting I made a couple months ago. Any thoughts?

>>2951760
your have to change a few settings to get it to be good for spicy shading, but i think the basic pen is quite nice for lineart.

I currently use sai with basic Brush, watercolor, airbrush. I used csp and photoshop before.

>>2952031
The only two thoughts your "painting" awakens in me are:
1) What the fuck is this.
2) What the fuck am I looking at.

>>2952050
you made me laugh more than I should gj

>>2952052
Np m8.

>>2951797
give blog please

>>2952021
its been about a year since I've been on /ic/
good to know you haven't improved and are still samefagging.
its the small things that make me happy.

>>2951663
Blog??

just finished this what do you think?

>>2950603
>>2950949
i'll try to use the top right as a primary light source, thanks for the advice.

>>2951928
divine flatness

>>2952021
good butt

>>2951928
take another look at her right leg/hip

>>2951741
Lookin' pretty dope.

>>2952142
it's coming together really well!!
good luck on such an ambitious piece, anon!

>>2951844
Remember Hokusai wanting to live well over 100 to begin to get good? His most popular shit was in his 70's? This is a long game.

>>2949330
Yeah. This. Just try putting her inside a box.

>>2952142
wowow very cool, cant wait to see it done

>>2951663
I'm feeling done with this, I'm not quite satisfied with some of the shading but I don't know what else to do.

>>2952100
>>2951116

>>2951797
A follow up for this: I screwed around with the lineart a bit, mostly simplifying and exaggerating to get a more anime look.

I might have gone too far with the exaggerating, but I think it's going in the right direction-- if I give her hair and clothes the same treatment and cut down on a lot of the unnecessary details it should help a lot.

>>2951805
That texture is just a temporary thing-- it's supposed to be chainmail, but I hadn't worked up the courage to draw a billion rings by hand or dick around with photoshop, so I just copypasta'd some scribbles for the meantime.

>>2952068
I'm never happy with any of my art, so I don't post anything publicly to a name. Maybe once I figure out what I'm actually doing.

Started drawing like one week ago and I'm still barely trying to detach myself from copying stuff, it's kinda painful spending so much time to get something that makes you go "eh".
Anyway, is there any tutorial you recommend to draw hair better? The one in this picture looks very stiff. Also I'd love to hear any other suggestion.

>>2952559
Think of hair like ribbons and how they fall on the head. There is no good tutorial on hair though. It's always a case by case thing. Bugged me too.

>>2951741

More work into it.

Hatching is really hard.

>>2948606
Head's way too far back compared to the rest of the body. Also fix those hands' anatomy

>>2949644
You need to start thinking of it as armour and not tight-sitting clothing. How is a human (especially male) head going to fit in there? You could make the shoulders wider, and also try to increase and adjust the chest and stomach so it stops giving off that feminine waist-tightened look. Furthermore, the values are way too dark. Lastly, in the future, try giving the character a more interesting and dynamic pose. Other than that, I really like the design

I've been told to fuck out of /beg/ for a while now, so i thought i'd post here. hope it's not too terrible; I've been trying to get more depth into my style as of late. Advice?

>>2951910
c u t e

>>2952645
not total shit, mouth could use some work, seems a little flat and low on the face.

when coloring do a base color to fill the silhouette then color over that so you dont get the white speckles you see on the clothing

A catgirl is fine too?

shoot me famalams

>>2952538
I think the ripped fabric looks shitty, make the tears bigger.

>>2952645
Clean up your lines, it'll make your stuff way better.

>>2949126
do you have a blog? Digging your stuff

>>2952712
awesome lineart

dislike the coloring

Serious question: Do you guys ignore posts past or below a certain skill level? Why? Some anons here seem to be skipped over for critique on a regular basis.

>>2952915
you post and try your luck.

whats your pic?

>>2952916
I haven't posted in this thread, yet.
I'm not salty
Just actually curious

>>2952925
It comes down to this, you've either been told a dozen times the same thing over and over again it would be futile to tell you once more, or you're so bad telling you otherwise would be a complete waste of time.

>>2952929
There's a lot of decent artists here who get hardly any critique, though. I'm just going to assume this is because it's easier to point out the flaws in lower quality works, because there are more flaws, and high quality works, because the few flaws are more obvious. With middle of the road artists it's harder to concisely and clearly state the issues with a piece.

hows this?

>>2952980
Overall pretty cute Mob, and I like the hands, but you have a lot of tangents going on. The arms also look rather short, remember the forearm ends at about the same place as the ribcage.

>>2952990
Are tangents bad

>>2952991
Yes, they decrease the readability of your image. For example, with the between the thumb an the button makes it more difficult to tell which object is supposed to be closer to the camera, as they seem to be touching each other as if they were on the same plane. If instead the button was overlapped by the thumb, it would be much more clear that the button is in the back and the thumb is closer to the viewer.

>>2952991
>>2952995
Read over this post, it's very helpful in learning how to recognize and avoid tangents.
https://schweizercomics.tumblr.com/post/11966164633/the-schweizer-guide-to-spotting-tangents

How do I go about improving this.

>>2952915
usually there's a very specific skill range/style an artist has to be going for where any feedback i can give is actually useful to them

>>2952973
ironically it's the middle of the road/people closer to my skill level that i'm able to give more worthwhile feedback to

with more beginner artists me rattling off things like "okay this muscles and this muscle and this muscle and this muscle in this tiny bunched up area should be arranged in this way when viewed from this angle, also you should go for more natural posing and think about the composition/silhouette and how you crop certain blah blah blah how that adds to the mood, also body language" that i've learned over the past few years here mostly just overwhelms the newer people

also realizing that at some point i'm instructing people how to redraw parts the way i would draw them and not how to actually approach the problem and come up with their own solution

>>2952991
tangents are neutral, depends on if they get in the way of what you want to achieve with an image. if you want to flatten an image for stylistic reasons they're very powerful, especially for simplifying designs, but when they get in the way of legibility or mess up perspective/distract the viewer's eyes they're bad news bears

for the current style you're going for you most likely want to avoid them for the most part, but say something like dexter's lab or panty & stocking or what have you, it's a slightly different story. even a lot of comics make use of them compositionally to create certain effects. that said, any tangents found in your work should be intentional and serve a deliberate purpose, for without one they are just distracting.

opinions?

>>2951665
meant to say thank you earlier but i was on my phone ahh,, thanks a lot man : )

--

not sure if this one belongs here but i tried my hand at painting a person from (mostly) imagination in under and hour

>>2952083
not the person you replied to, but you would make /ic/ and the world a better place if you fucking killed yourself. That crabs in a bucket mentality is such a disgusting thing to see, simply trying to chase someone off because they're better than you. Fucking dreg of society trying to make himself feel better.

>>2952905
The scheme or the way it's been colored?

>>2949427
Okay, Thanks for the feedback.

>>2953058
breasts don't work this way
because you have not done construction work your character looks like a flat cardboard cutout and not like bones and flesh in space, any book on anatomy will help solve the problem

>>2953009
i dunno man its so highly stylised that i cant critique the form, what were you going for specifically and what is this for? towards what are you looking to improve it? so that we can help you

>>2953201
thanks for point it out, gonna start study now.

does this look alright?

>>2953411
You should have pushed that food thingy a bit more to the left to create an overlap with the head instead of creating such an awkward tangent. Always try to show depth through overlaps whenever you can. Having 2 objects right next to each other when they occupy a different plane in space makes them appear flat and awkward.

>>2952712

I love it.

The coloring technique is sound but the scheme is incongruous.

>>2953411
You removed the tangent at his thumb with the effect but created another one with the food

>>2953411
Ah what i noticed is that he doesnt have an opening for his jacket. I dont know if it always looks like that in the anime/manga but it looks weird

>>2953078
>I-i'm totally not him
yeah noone's buying it.

>>2953597

>>2952083
I am so happy I am not the only one who feels the same.

>>2952579
I like this a lot.

>>2953419
I think my technique needs work. I'm gonna make a proper illustration of her with a good pose and some inspired coloring.

That said, I would like some feedback on the scheme, any advice?

Should I splash some red, or just mess with photoshop adjustments?

>>2952559
The biggest issue I see with this is the lack of dimension and depth.

Go download Loomis from the sticky, and work through 'Fun with a Pencil', focusing on constructing the figure with 3d shapes.

As for hair, once you start constructing the form of the head a bit more, think about how it'd lay upon and fall off the head. A cheap way of making it look less stiff is to try and add some expression into it; have it reflect the motion in the character's posture or throw in some wind or something.

Go through Loomis, then try drawing some screenshots of your character at awkward camera angles and weird poses and you'll start figuring it out.

Also >Mabinogi

How did I do?

>>2954264
Blog?

>>2954264
Forgot to resize

>>2954266
Non existant

where is step 1 for drawing a̶n̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶ alternative style?
the sticky is about figure and drawing and fundamentals, I couldn't any guides on chinese cartoons on it.

>>2954290
Go back to the discord

>>2954291
I don't know how to use discord

new thread for the kids to play in - make it count
>>2954418
>>2954418
>>2954418

>>2953914
>>2952575

Thank you.

I stopped playing Mabi two years ago because of how terrible it became.

>>2954290
That is step 1.

>>2949136
potato feet
what are expression
weird stiff pose
hand???

>>2949639
what is that redline supposed to even show wtf

>>2949644
reminds me of aion but edgier