/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I can't

>>2949800
You can't give up.

> all these reference pics are male

im not fucking gay fuck you OP

reposting
Practising heads from imagination again.

How wonky do they look? Do they look 3D? How do I make sure I keep trying different angles? A lot of the heads I drew look very similar in orientation. Please redline if you can.

>>2949836
Chins have a bottom plane YOU FUCKING FAGGOT punch yourself in the throat and then draw what you feel.

>>2949789
Quickie before bed.
The body's obv bad but I was more interested in what planes and bumps there are over where exactly they go. Landmarks of the body or something.

notgoodneedhelp

>>2949885
head too small unless you are going for a certain body type.

Started drawing 2 weeks ago (as in I never drew as a child). Decided to do the upside down Picasso thing from the google docs to remove symbol drawing.

Should I continue attempting or move onto other practice exercises and come back to this in a week?

Did the Picasso Stravinsky exercise. I think I stretched it out too much.

>>2949836
You're getting closer. Keep practicing. Break off and just do some cube every once in a while.

Start adding features to the face as soon as possible. They'll probably be way off but it'll be good for you to know where exactly you're at.

I spent a long time just trying to perfect the ball and plane. Then when I started adding features they were still way off because I didn't know how they worked.
Try to practice both at the same time. Kill two birds with one stone.

>>2949888
>>2949894
nice stravinskys guys

>>2949894
shit man, I'm >>2949888

You did a much better job on sizes and proportions, did you do anything special?

>>2949885
way too broad shoulders, neck is attached wrongly to the body, tits are terribly flat

I really started liking this one.
Tell me whats wrong with it so I can hate it and most likely scrap it.

>>2949914
kid head in adult body

>>2949900
>>2949902
Thanks.

I didn't really do anything special, I think. I guess I did keep trying to eyeball between the original work and my copy a lot, though. I can't find much more to offer than that, sorry man.

>>2949918
Do you mean the size of the head or the way the face looks?

>>2949920
ah, I guess I might just need practice. I know my life drawings are pretty ass, I've never been able to eyeball measurements in my life.

>>2949922
looks

>>2949940
>>>/i/

Tell me what am I doing wrong before I continue on monday

>>2949836
those chins are way too wide. even for a retarded deformed male slav. go back to loomis/proko and brush up on contruction because youre lacking some important steps in constructing the jaw

>>2949789

>>2949790

>>2947450
plez critque i feel like there is something off about this but cant tell what

>>2949987
wait no. now i reaslize the head shape is very wrong. the chin and cheekbone needs to be further out

so beyond drawing picasso's hideous pal while he's upside down, how exactly does one work towards removing symbol drawing

>>2949987
>looks alright, perhaps i can help with a few things
>expands thumbnail
>can't see anything so messy..nope

this is quite possibly my closest to perfect gesture so far... some1 square up

>>2949791

>>2949963
>>2949976
>>2950036
You desperately need a read-through of keys to drawing

If you don't want that, then http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

>>2949987
>>2947450
>>2949988
alrighty so i tried to fix some of the glaringinly ovbious mistakes, and added some details
>>2950010
but renderfag-senpai i didnt want to be "polishing a turd" so i thought i should wait for people to point out errors, before smoothing it out

>>2949479
I guess that explains my member's different reactions, haha. Even though I have a hard time understanding what's wrong with the right (first) version, the little guy knows.

>>2949536
Took a bit of time to get what you're trying to say, and I'm not sure if that's how it's done. If we inspect various references like Hyper Angle vol. 3 or sketchfab models, the size of their breasts appears very different only in close-up shots, fitting my understanding of foreshortening: that the extent it affects the objects is proportional to the distance between them relative to their distance from the viewer. I. e. if the camera is almost touching the right boob, the left boob will appear considerably smaller, and if the girl is standing 50 meters away, the difference would be barely noticeable, if ever. In our case the camera should be about... 3 or so meters away, and the closest breast is slightly bigger than the other. But I'll check the foreshortening of the breasts anyway. It should be okay if I play with them a bit more. *lenny_face*

>>2949539
I'm afraid to go full thicc, you see. More so because fat doesn't help learning anatomy, which is my main purpose in drawing n00ds for the time being. (The second purpose is learning to draw purely aesthetic n00d pics.)

>>2949651
A bit of chicken scratching and wonky lines here and there, and the ball of her foot ends too abruptly, IMO.

>>2950000
Draw items in complex, cluttered compositions and pay attention to the negative shapes in between said items. Take that mentality and apply it to something your brain is more likely to draw a symbol for

SEND HELP FAST. i am having some FUCKED issues with photoshit cs6 out of nowhere (and yes i updated my wacom drivers but these problems started before). basically its NOT registering 'clicks' and also giving commands im not giving. for example, if i click a layer it almost always registers as a double click like im trying to rename it. then when i try clicking in the active area the "layer style" window pops up out of nowhere. sometimes when i alt+swiper L/R to change the brush size the right click brush menu appears. whyy the fuuck is it doing things that i dont want it do

>>2949800
>>2949802
*holds gun to 800's head*

>>2950092
press windows key + x
open run
type services.msc and click enter
scroll down to wacom (it'll be called something like wacom consumer version or wacom professional version)
click that and restart the process done

>>2950076
holy shit why am i such a fucking failure. after like 30 minutes of looking at gay facial-anatomy infographics and more turd polishing i at least changed the shape of that narrow-ass chin but it still looks fucked. im ngmi...

>>2950094
youve saved a very long painting session and probably a life. thanks

>>2950097
If it still doesn't work then you'll have to reboot your computer. Which is incredibly timeconsuming.

>>2950094
you can also make a .bat file that does the same thing. copy this into a note pad file :

@echo off
NET STOP WTabletServicePro
timeout/t 5 /nobreak >NUL
NET START WtabletServicePro
timeout /t 2 /nobreak >NUL

then save that and change the file type to .bat
run it as administrator if it doesn't work by just running it.

>>2950100
>>2950101
it worked after i reset it.

>>2949792
After 5 hours I decide to give up.

Why is watercolour so difficult?
I thought watercolour was for kids.

>>2949792
Today's practice.

>>2950253
Fugg.

i rolled a "redo a piece from over a year ago" i got this far but theres tooons of stuff know i can i do to it to polish but i really dont feel like investing to much time into this. do i get to say i improved or do i have to do more?

>>2950216
the general rule of thumb is tea > milk > honey. So you start with a thin "tea" wash to establish colors and values. Milk is a bit thicker, adding more depth and detail. Honey is very saturated pigment for finishing touches. Your painting looks like it never got past the "tea" stage.

>>2950256
use stronger dark and light

>>2950258
so keep going then?

>>2950258
>>2950260
oh and the silvery stuff is actually intended to be really light in color. its just we're seeing it somewhat backlit

>>2950133
fixed it for you.

>>2950256
Um.
I'm having a hard time deciding which one of these two scenes is new. I guess that says something.

But the building in the right scene is rendered a lot better. The left clouds look better.

>>2950269
kek i thought the more complex scene and trickier lighting on the left would give it away. i guess ill keep going then

>>2950260
>>2950262
i wouldnt overuse silver too much, besides when light shines on metalic objects it usually reflects stuff (including bright light), i'd say make it more detailed or just paste a couple of effects on top of it and use what you learned for your next drawing.
pic related, threw a couple of photoshop effects on it.

So i haven't really painted before but how i understand it is that you should work with a large brush and try to be kind of conservative with your strokes while trying to block in the major shapes and then go into blending and detailing with a smaller brush. How long are you supposed to spend on the block in before starting to blend and render out the shapes because this took me a few minutes?

>>2950284
well i still have a lot of work to do i want the one of the left to look like a significant improvement to the one on the right.

Any feedback on the poses/proportions of the standing figures?

>>2950295
what might help is before you start to colour to kind of do a "rough colouring" on it. see what you want to make darker and what you want to make lighter and highlight those places with a darker shade of black, that way you have kind of a guideline when you start to actual colour stuff
also details in your drawings make it look alot better, your right drawing has much more detail than the one in your left, why its also a better drawing

>>2950290
The more time you spend on it, the better it looks generally speaking. Also your headshape looks wrong, for example your ear is too high if you intended the head to be slightly uptilted. Use loomis head to make a general outline first.

>>2950096
Get the skull shape right first, then mark the eye, nose, mouth etc... placement. Get the underlying structure as close as possible, then start painting. This will make the likeness somewhat similar rather than looking like another person.

Redo the entire thing. Do it two or 3 times (more or less) until you feel that you kinda improve then move on to other ref. But really, if you're stress out about it take a break for a while.

It's not practice if its easy. It's hard only because you're heading in the right direction.

>>2950307
Also save all the shitty drawings. SAVE IT! Then when you're stuck with another problem in a month or so look through your shit progress. It'll ease the mind.

>>2950257
Yeah, I stuck with thin washes all the way through.
I'll keep it in mind, looking back at all the practice I did, there's never much variation in saturation.
I'm also really afraid of overdoing it and creating a muddy picture.

Not used to using pencil as a measuring stick yet, All the shapes are in the wrong spots and are angled incorrectly. whatever, i'll keep at it

Working on a comic. How am I doing? Also it takes me a really really long time to clean up my line work. Like, I can get a sketch down in 5-10 minutes but then it takes me at least four hours to finalize the lines on something like this. Is that normal? Do I just need more practice?

>>2950405
page 2

>>2950405
>>2950407
Yes, you simply need more practice. Muscle memory, all that shit — you really get faster and faster.

And resize your images, it's not like they are super-detailed and worthy of viewing in such high resolution.

>>2950414
Sorry, didn't realize how big they were. Thanks for the advice!

>>2950311
>>2950257
I did a quick test, did more layering with increasing the pigment.
Anatomy aside, I can see a difference, everything looks more defined.
Also, I have a really hard time painting without guidelines or pencil outlines but I can't erase the pencil after painting and I don't really like the outlines shining through, I don't know how else I'm going to make a painting.
Should I practice gesture drawing or quick sketching with watercolour maybe?

>>2950407
use patterns for backgrounds and shadows if you're gonig for a comic style

>>2950421
>anatomy aside

>>2950448
Pls don't bully, I'm practicing every day!

>>2950442
Not sure what you mean by patterns exactly. Just like hatching/textural stuff? And I am planning on adding shadows/values but I wanted to get the lines down first for all the pages and come back do shadows later because I get bored after spending so long on one drawing. I know they're not very good but they still take me a while.

>>2950461
yea like hatching/textures, would be good to download a few comics and see how they're doing stuff.
i highlighted a few stuff in pic related to give a kind of sense on how to give your pages that "comicstyle" look
its all up to you though, if you want to make it coloured you got more options on how to bring depth to your drawings, but black and white is perfectly doable

>>2950469
This is really helpful actually, thanks a lot man! I'll try to integrate this into what I'm doing

>drew quite a bit a while ago
>spent about half a year improving from "head is a circle, eyes are circles, nose is halfcircle lol" to being able to at least sketch things with reasonable recognizability
>have to stop because life takes a lot of time and because the constant studying was stressing me out too much
>decide to draw a little bit again
>just having fun, not being too hard on myself
>decide to slap some watercolours on top of some sketches
Man, I've never felt this good about drawing. Why did nobody tell me to just chill and draw without being a critical ass to myself every now and then?

One day I will stop drawing warped faces and change class to legend.

>>2950490
Try measuring the angles of the face with a pencil. Look at the angle between the chin and the cheek, for example. You're about 10 degrees off, there.

>>2950493
Just realized that her right eye was not the only part that got skewed. Thanks.

I want to die

>>2950518
That's a strange way to bump the thread.

>>2950518
No you don't you fucking liar.

Will i make it?

>>2950421
>> when you look at the picture for the second time and suddenly notice her face.

>>2950490
>1000x1000

>>2950450
if you actually were you would be getting better. you're eric arent you?

Know any good fast (like 5 to 8 minutes) warm up exercises for your hand and eyes?
Just drawing circles and such?

>>2950537
> using capital letters
>> eric?
What a n00b.

>>2950537
I am someone else, I rarely post work.

I couldn't get much of a response on this in the drawthread, can /beg/ help?

>>2950536
I downsample but thanks for valuable input.

>>2950539
i find quickposes very helpful for that. Or just setting a timer and drawing 3d forms- cubes, spheres, cylinders etc

I think I'm slowly understanding how spheres work. Is this correct?

>>2950574
Your outlines are quite fucky, nanodesu.

How do i digitally paint landscapes, ic? It seems impossible to put in all the tiny details a real forest, rockface etc. have. Any good resources?

pls help me fix the fucked anatomy in this /ic/. I'm really struggling with her right arm and just their general bodies. I think I'm fucking up the perspective but any advice/red lines would be appreciated

Is it possible to colourize pencil drawing in photoshop or something?

Sorry for responding late

>>2949071
Thank you, yes they're from reference. I'm not good at making dynamic poses without ref, most I remember doing is twisting the torso. But I'll get there, eventually
>How long to get that good?
Don't know if you're joking here but, a few days at most? What helped me was watching others do it. I couldn't get it at first and all of my gestures looked like shit, but once it clicked and I knew what "lines" I should be looking at everything became easier.

>>2949103
Thanks, good luck on your studies fellow anon

>draw something
>it looks kinda off
>stop drawing
>look at it the next day
>doesn't look that bad anymore
>spot some mistakes
>fix them
>looks like shit again
What the fuck is going here
I must be severly acoustic

>>2950561
It's not about muh downsampling or whatever, drawing in a square format is dumb stop doing it

>>2950601
iktf

Hey guys, I am trying to design 12 different characters for a small school project

I have to ask, does the side profile fit the front at all?
I am not very good at this shit so I want someone who knows to give some heads up

>>2950614
overlay them and see that the features dont line up.

>>2950614
Considering the size of his jaw and nose, I'd expect them to be more pronounced in your profile shot. As in, the chin and nose would jut out at a higher angle and the philtrum would be slightly longer

>>2950529
maybe idk

your drawing looked nice until you decided to fuck it up with sketch to the left

>>2950614
>want to go to artschool
>have to present my portfolio even though im still learning
wtf am i suppose to show them? should i just draw some abstract bs and hope i get accepted?

>>2950595
many concept artists do it that way actually.

>>2950558
well, what are you exactly trying to achieve?.

Is it supposed to give me a boner, or is just a figure drawing or wut

>>2950639
>>want to go to artschool
y tho

>>2950641
but how?

>>2950646
free neetbux means i dont have to work
also i want to get better

>>2950649
they scan it, import it to Photoshop, finish it.

There are even scan apps for your phone.

>>2950639
Don't go to artschool, it's seriously a waste of time. All the time you're enrolled in a school, you could be drawing 24/7
Open up a blog or something and update your shit DAILY.
Draw every day, the whole fucking day and only pause to eat and shit and maybe go outside a bit.

You'll learn a lot more like this and eventually make it and start making dough.

>>2950650
they are still a waste of time senpai.

I remember a guy that said that /ic/ was its best teacher since they basically would assign them the books and courses we often share in here.

If you want to get better may as well do it here.

>>2950650
b-but when you're at school you don't get "neetbux"
I am currently at a Graphics Design school. I get 100 euros for food each month.
When I didn't have a job and got welfare that dosh was fucking 600€

I would go back if I could but I am commited to get my degree.
Free money and I'd get to draw every day? shiiiet

although it depends on where you live
come to finland and enjoy literally free money

>>2950654
thing is, i cant draw 24/7 now, im a 40hr/week wagie and going back to school means i can stop working
>>2950656
i believe that, ever since i came to /ic/ i have seen huge improvement over the past few months, but i cant dedicate much hours on a day, now i draw most of the times in weekends and i feel like my progress isnt going great at all now
>>2950658
i can get 300euros free neetbux + an additional 800 euros low interest student loan that i don't have to pay back if i dont get a job after the study or a low paying job

im really jealous though, would love neetbux with all the freedom in the world

the study im looking at nowis basically focuses on game art (concept, character design etc.) so its not like im going to learn bs, but i have to show them a "decent" portfolio, whatever that means, and i dont want them to show my weebdrawings so i have to make up new drawings, but im really shit so not sure what to draw

>>2950658
the fuck? here in bongistan its only 200 quid a month plus you have to spend 20 hours a week at the jobcentre. i ended up not taking it since that much wouldn't save me from being homeless.

>>2950668
get a part time job and discard your luxury. is your luxury so worth all those hours that you sell for it?

>>2950669
same here anon, worst thing is you have to do "activities" with the local community if you wantr to keep neetbux, these activities include fitness, sports, social gatherings and other bs.

>>2950669
then you should move to another country

>>2950672
housing is extremely expensive here, at best i can do a 20hr workweek but getting a job is also extremely hard here if you dont have any education, and im not gonna clean toilets

>>2950677
so i can leech and not work? sounds like a milquetoast thing to do

>>2950679
where is that? you should be able to get a part time job delivering pizzas or something. its enough to cover a room with some students and a bowl of rice a day.

>>2950683
whats wrong with that? might as well enjoy a relaxing lifestyle

>>2950688
i live alone since i got severe social anxiety, delivering pizzas is out of the question m8. and even if i did, for how long should i go for that lifestyle? its not even guaranteed im gonna earn money from drawing

>>2950605
Nice autism there, buddy.

>>2950689
because its despicable. you think you can create aesthetic and noble things with such impotent and dishonourable morality?

>>2950693
well if enabling that weak will is more important than your time you would spend learning and growing then thats on you.

>>2950699
this whole world is as corrupt as it gets, just take advantage of the system if neetbux is available, morality is something wagies cling onto to justifiy their pathetic existence slaving away for mr.shekelstein
also work including workstress reduces lifespan, have fun with that

>>2950651
But how colours come on gray?

>>2950712
morality, self reliance and competence are noble traits that invigorate and inspire aesthetic, if you continue to deny yourself these things then you have no hope as an artist, regardless of whether you reach technical skill or not. you say you would work to improve your skill but what stronger motivation does one have than to earn their own worth, to not be reliant on handouts and charity, to master ones own existence. you have neither the motivation nor mind to achieve any mastery let alone an artistic one.

the world you live in is a monument to the aspirations of your people, countless hours of countless lives each giving their own proper effort to elevate the country to the heights you see in it today. each paving stone, each streetlamp, each combustion engine and telephone line a testament to the insurmountable will of the nation to progress, to improve, to succeed. there is no corruption around you. you are the only corrupt thing. you think that steinberg wants you working an honest and immaterial life, paying no taxes for your low and ascetic income? he wants you exactly were you are now, rotting in filth and putrescence sponging up the goodwill of you neighbour. you are dead.

>>2950724
the world hasn't done anything for me, why should i do something back? they fuckin owe me

>>2950720
I'll tell you how.
I did that for a whole month before I bought me a tablet. (And before that I used my mouse for everything.)

You draw some shit. Then you take a photo of it with good lighting or scan it. Then you upload it to your computah. Then you open your Photoshop and color everything cautiously in normal mode so that your paper won't be visible at all. (You can or have to trace the outlines first.) And then you render it. That's how it's done, man. Pic related is the second picture I used this process in.

But seriously, just buy a tablet.

>>2950614
Where did the back of his head go?

>>2949878
Such a lazy attempt. You would have been better off using that time to draw a decent head. There are no planes at all on the body you drew. You can draw boxes and get a better understanding of the planes than with those poorly drawn contour lines.

>>2949987
Don't paint with a white background. You wouldn't paint something with a light shining in your face, would you? That's causing your values to be dark and washed out. It's also not good for your eyes in general.

Been 3 weeks since I started drawing. Spent around 45 mins on this.

I know I forgot to tilt the head to the left.

Any feedback?

Also, how can I apply shadowing when im working with a pencil? In this case for example, I have been drawing horizontally. Swinging my pen left and right, however the shadow was getting thicker from right left. If I started drawing vertically, up and down, then the drawing just doesn't look right. At the other parts its horizontal strikes, at some parts its vertical strikes. Any tips on this?

>>2950786
what book or curse are you Reading?

>>2950788

Keys To Drawing By Bert Dodson

Almost at the end of chapter 2.

>tfw no improvement

>>2949960
Your values my man. You need shadows, more darks in there. The colors are too close to each other that they're not able to show the form. Don't get stuck trying to do the detail work when your values aren't even set yet.

tell me what's wrong with this

>>2949960
I think this dude (>>2950801) is trying to say that you need more contrast.

>>2950807
cool design, unappealing faces.

drew the whole fucking day, 8 hours straight and saw no signs of improvement, I just can't into digital painting, all I can do is shabby lineart

I am not gonna make it, am I?

>>2950819
stop being a little bitch and keep drawing

>>2950644

Huh... I didn't think about that. I'm not sure. I guess a figure drawing, I'm trying to practice gesture a little and develop personal style elements, and it was largely done with a reference.

>>2950791
>>2950786
From what I've read bert dodson does not give a lot of focus on the strokes and shading (not because is a bad book, its just a subject that is too broad. Shading and strokes).

There are entire books dedicated to that.

But for you I recommend to just get it done and move on. The more you grind the more easy it will become to make the strokes and shade the way you want..

Your biggest fault I would say that you can tell the direction of the strokes of the pencil, too visible. try rubbing your finger and use an eraser. dodson explains that later in the book.

I just got a tablet, how do I into pressure sensitivity and line thickness.
when drawing on paper I never really paid attention to line thickness, if line was to thick I'd eras some of it and if a line was too thin I'd add onto it. but now with the tablet my drawings come out uneven on their line distribution, some parts are thick because I accidently pressed down to hard and some parts are thin because I pressed to lightly.
what I want to know is if there are any exercise to master pressure sensitivity and control? and when to use line thickness?

>>2950490
Who is this semen demon

>>2950832
Hmm, I've got a pretty shit tablet and it just came naturally to me. Maybe you just need a bit more getting used to. If you jump from one extremity to another too easily, maybe there's some setting where you can adjust pressure levels.

>what I want to know is if there are any exercise to master pressure sensitivity and control
Using a tablet should do just fine
>and when to use line thickness?
What style? If it's line-art, you usually use fatter lines on areas where there's more shadow, and lighter lines where light hits. That's sort of a general easy-to-remember rule.

>>2950756
I swear to god it was there moment ago

>>2950832
Forgot to ask, how many pressure levels does your pen have?

>>2950819
show your work so we can help guide you on what to practice next

>>2950819
be proud of yourself for working hard and just keep drawing as much as you can.
not seeing improvement after 1 day of drawing doesnt mean jack shit.

only if you draw/study(the right way) for 8 hours a day for a year or two and see no improvement should you let yourself feel a little shitty over it.

otherwise what >>2950823 said

>>2950819
Whoa, you drew for a whole day and didn't improve? No hope for you, man. No hope.

Why don't you sleep on it

>>2950695
Suck my dick, nigga.

>wake up
>be programmer with a job
>suddenly want to start drawing
>literally never drew
what did my mind mean by this
I can't even draw a line

>>2950850
already posted once to the thread but here

I just cant understand how to color shit or even color them black and white
if I try gradient maps or turning the b&w to colors with Multiply or Overlay, it looks like shit
and it'll end up looking like shit, I am mad af

>>2950887
I need a quick rundown on this piece

>>2950888
you mean you're looking for... a speedy summary?

>>2950888
that is the biggest insult I've heard in my entire life

>>2949787
How long should I be focusing on removing symbol drawing before I start with the fundamentals. I've just been drawing upside down references for a few weeks now

>>2950000
Thinking about things in forms instead of shapes really helped me. It sounds silly but a lot of beginners are told to look for the shapes, like a circle or square, when drawings things. Really we should be told to look for 3d objects and instil that they're forms in the first place. When you see a picture and want to draw it, imagine the form lines extending across it. Imagine how they'd wrap around it.

An exercise for this is to get some pictures of insects and draw the form lines around them. If you need an example of it then Ctrl paint does a good video on it.

>>2950928
just start learning gesture and then move onto figure construction
the upside down stuff in the sticky is just pseudo science along with the all the paragraphs about brain sides and neuroplasticity.

>>2947457
>>2949789
One

>>2949790
>>2949791
And two
I can't into faces

>>2950955
The upside stuff is so I can focus more on the lines than the actual object. right-side up and I tend to focus too much on the shapes rather than the lines.

>>2949787
I know its bad but I need the gesture practice. Any crits and tips?

>>2950989
Fuck.

>>2950990
stop drawing mummies and focus on fundamentals
stick with lines that serve purpose, rather use shading techniques to make them look 3d

Will drawing from life, like a building for example, help me when drawing people?
i see there's no link but does drawing anything from life improve studies overall, i feel like i'm getting no where doing studies of portraits.

Current work in progress

How are my lines /ic/?

>>2951018
Drawing from life in general will improve your perception skills, which will help you when drawing people from life, but if you want to draw people just draw people from life.

>>2951023
thanks
yeah, i think i'll continue focusing on drawing people.
Thing is i have to sense of direction on how to improve, really kicks the motivation yanoe.

>>2951026
Thing is, I have no sense of direction**

>>2951021
Zey look fine to me, except for his eyes, nose, and weird cavities halfway on his fingers.

>>2951021
good for what it is
are you sure you are /beg/?

I've been working on these fucking ankles and feet and I still don't know what's wrong with them, help please or I'll go mad

everyone in /beg/ is so good? how do i get higher standards?

>>2951038
I feel like a beginner so I guess?
I might have some insecurities about my art. My only strong point is lineart but beyond that I am like a fucking toddler with a crayon.

>>2951037
I have sincere difficulties with drawing faces. I couldnt even get the perspective right with free hand so I had to use a 3d model of a head, put it in a certain angle and slap it on photoshop for reference

I also can't get down on how to draw hair so I left him bald

I'm really struggling with hands rn. How's this? Where can I find a sick non-meme hand guide?

>>2951058
0033 and loomis

>>2951047
what you've been trying to draw before was an impossible angle
the foot should point slightly towards the viewer like so

hope this helps

>>2951058
hands are always fairly difficult until you completely master them like taking a piss or walking
I think feet are much MUCH harder

>>2951058
Was it copied? From my experience it's easier to judge whenever or not you can draw something if you stop before adding details, try showing us the construction you used to make that hand

>>2949787
Kind of did this one quickly, I know the anatomy is pretty fucked. Would appreciate feedback on the concept and her face though, as well as colors.

>>2951077
>mothercon
oy vey

>>2951087
I was actually really hoping this wouldn't come off as romantic. It's just meant to be a normal boy comforting his normal horribly disfigured mother.

>>2951091
it can be although its a tad oedipus like. mothers dont often show their vulnerable side to their children.

>>2951091
The first image is fine but the second really does come off as romantic, the whole holding her face thing is too much.

If you combined the two images it would probably be great, kids tend to hug their mothers to comfort them and it doesn't come off too weird.

>>2951099
Actually, that was more of the intention. Without going into the whole backstory of these characters, their relationship is actually very oedipus like, minus any actual sexual/romantic attraction. He's a young boy who's had to step up and take care of his mother in absence of his father, who was the one who did the aforementioned disfiguring.

>>2951068
I see! Thank you!

>>2951077
they look very VERY flat
anatomy is all wonky, hands are way too small proportionate to the rest of the body and angles don't work

but you're on the right track, nobody can pinpoint how to improve from here but try to study human anatomy and perspective with reference images

>>2951106
hmm, thats always going to be a bit freudian but sounds like interesting characters.

for figures, villpu and hampton. although its sticky for you before that.

>>2951091
Cmon, a little fucking won't do nobody harm
she's still a woman, no matter how disfigured

>>2951110
hmm, well I will admit I traced 3d puppets for this specific drawing. I'll post them if it'll help figure out where I went wrong with the anatomy.

>>2951119
reported

>>2951121
what?

>>2951119
Puppets are tools, not crutches.

If you don't know figure or anatomy you should learn before using programs like that one.

>>2951124
reported

>>2951119
for starters, what the fuck are those sausage arms, disfigured shoulders, weird necks, backs and horrible HORRIBLE legs
They resemble actual humans very little
If I were you, I wouldn't draw using such models

Either get better models with better skeletons or use actual people as reference

>>2951127
Yeah, I'm not unaware of how weird the models look. I've actually been using that program less and less, but I was trying to get this concept out quickly without that much effort.

>>2951124
and again, I've been trying to use them less and less. I have signed up to take a figure drawing class next semester, which I know I need desperately.

>>2951128
>I have signed up to take a figure drawing class
dont make me say it for a third time

>>2951128
Actually, I should probably preemptively rephrase that. I wanted to get this out without spending to much time and effort on the anatomy and posing. I was more focused on the concept and design.

>>2951128
you dont need schools to get better
What you need is tons of hours and references to draw from and you find all those online

only thing you need is commitment and you'll improve
it's also possible to improve by just watching other people draw and understand the core of their methods and how to apply them to your own hand

>>2951134
I know, and I hope to be getting as much practice in as I can over the summer as well, but I'm already 2 years into a 4 year art school at this point, can't really turn back now.

guys, I've been trying to learn to draw from my shoulder for like 6 months now, putting in at least 30 minutes almost every day, but I just can't get as much control as I have with my wrist. After tons of practice, I can finally draw mostly straight lines on command, but I can't trace any more complicated curves, or shade in areas precisely or consistently, and whenever I'm trying to work on something that's not just straight lines, it never comes out the way I envision it in my head. Is it supposed to take this long? The sticky seemed to say you'd get used to shoulder drawing in a few days

>>2951136
>art school
you lost the game before you even started

I'm reading through Scott Robertson's how to draw (these methods are pure autism by the way holy shit), and I got to the part where he mentions computer generated underlays and grids.

My goal is to git good enough to produce my own comics, so how common is it a practice to use these programs when you're making environments for scenes? Obviously I know they're no replacement for learning the fundamentals first, I'm just wondering whether or not they're something I should look into down the line

>>2951144
From what I understand they are getting popular, but you'll still need to learn perspective the regular way in order to fully understand composition in comics.

>>2951144

Paolo Rivera is a comic artist who does a lot of this. He does all of his layouts digitally and supplements his hand drawn elements with CG perspective grids and reference models (some of which he's made himself). Then he converts the whole thing to cyan, prints and pencils over it.

Check out his blog.

I started drawing anime when I was 12 and stopped drawing at about 13. I want to get back into it but every time I try not only is it absolutely terrible but it ends up being in a degenerate art style that's like a fusion of anime, cartoon and trying to be realistic. Is there any tips for how I can fix this, or is just continuing to try and correct it over time the best solution?

>>2951184
I forgot to say, but I'm trying NOT to draw in an anime style. I'm trying to break away from it

Looking for someone to design a business card for me regarding landscaping.

Kik for anymore info, I'm willing to pay if it comes down to it.

Gavinsomething

Gonna start learning gesture drawing since I don't really know how to draw at all. I watched a couple of Proko's videos and I want to get started on the grind. Is there a website that gives random poses with a built in timer?

>>2951189
why the hell are you asking in the beginner thread

>>2951200
Nothing's more motivating than getting paid dng what you love.

Hi. This is my first ever drawing. I drew it on an app called Sketchbook on my Android smartphone, with a stylus that I found at the end of a laser pointer.

Do I have potential?

How can I improve my skills exponentially? I would like to draw graphic-novel-tier webcomics as soon as possible. I have no prior training or anything.

Also dismiss the topic. It's just the first thing that came to my head to draw. Just evaluate the skills and potential. Thanks.

(and I know it's okay because its a red board)

>>2949793
Here's another portrait. Feedback is appreciated.

>>2951199
nevermind, i'm a lazy fuck

https://www.quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed

>>2951209
you gave him anime eyes

>>2951209

>>2951209
Nice rendering, but proportions, dude

Question: Is it better to learn anatomy/construction first then gesture or gesture first then anatomy/construction? Thanks a bunch :)

>>2951071
I didn't find feet too difficult; the fact that feet are just one big weird shape makes it easier for me, whereas hands are squishier, flatter and the fingers make up like 60% of it

>>2951252
Gesture first. Both Hampton and Loomis teach it this way.

>>2951209
How do you learn to render like that anon? still having a lot of troubles with my own values looking muddy

>>2951218
>>2951209
But really, other that the eyes this is looking pretty good. Some texture to the hair would be nice, though.

>>2951264
kek

Heya guys, I appreciate the comments. I fixed the anime eyes as best as I can with the liquify tool. Made the background slightly lighter too.

Yep proportions are still a problem for me. I had the same issues with the ones past ones I posted. Will work on getting those measurements right.

>>2951249
Always cool to see this.

>>2951263
I really try to use a little tones as possible in the beginning. Starting with one main shadow, midtone and highlight, laying those down. Then adding more layers of midtones and start blending.

>>2951264
Thanks. I wanted to add a texture, but not really sure how to do it with this kind of hair.

>>2951263
This picture helped me a lot

how am i doing anons? just a doodle so far.

>>2950801
>>2950810
Don't worry broseph, I was already planning that

>>2951303
The poses lack dynamism, look for more dynamic references.

Cat

>>2951309
Nice cat

>>2951303
I don't think you should be painting already.

>>2951300
Thanks! Do you start with a hard brush then? I usually start with a hard brush then work up to a medium soft brush to help blend

>>2951303
Anon what am I looking at?

>>2951319
Yeah I start with the hard brush so that the planes are more defined. I use a softer brush later to blend out the brush strokes, but I try not to use soft since it tends to blur out the painting.

I find my lineart suffers when it comes to big long lines (such as the one for Samson's arms) but I'm better with smaller detailed lines. I also find managing lineweight digitally is hard.
Overall I'm really dissatisfied with my linework in Sai and I have no idea how to improve it, at least in those areas. I really wanna do background lines better but it's very difficult for me.

>>2951338
I'm glad you're having a hard time with your lines. I dont want to see such distasteful garbage.

>>2951342
Who hurt you?

>>2951338
I can fap to this

>>2951350
I decided to scrap a lot of the shitty lines and tackle it again.
I'm gonna make your fucking dick explode man.

>>2951338
So here's everything I'm satisfied with.
What would be a smart approach to Samson's arms and the table? How does one lay out backgrounds and objects in perspective in SAI?

>>2947931
This is the update from last time. Did I fuck up the back? I'm having a hard time finding good reference

>>2951306
>>2951315
>>2951326


Thanks anons, yes should probabbly work things out in a few thumbs and rough outlines and tighten it up before i paint but sometimes it's just nice to have at it and see what comes out.
obviosly not a piece for the market or portfolio but a lot of fun. at the end of the day i realize it's not worth pushing any further. was going for a battle between to super beings the one in the blue capable of absorbing the power of whatever she touches and the girl in the hot pink only thing powerful enough to stop her.

Inspired a bit by karate kid, akira, and overwatch.

>>2951367
Does this help?

this is like the second time i've drawn with a reference (or rather, copy pasting a bunch of shit from google images)
just about everything before this was doodling

>>2951408
Is this shitposting?.
I cant tell.

>>2951408
Where is your patreon url anon?

>>2951367

>>2951411
>shitposting
what
this was the second last drawing i did
i'm not very good

>>2951417
halp, cant tell if this guy is serious or not.

>>2951427
w h a t ' s t h e p r o b l e m
is it too bad or too good
the only thing i can draw well is frontals

>>2951429
>i can draw well
we've got a live one here lads

Need tips for feature placements ..just started on Loomis and whole faces in generell

>>2951443
Spooky

>>2950103
>>2950101
>>2950100
im having issues again. if i restart the drivers it fixes the they layer problem but now my pressure sensitivity is going away. i just tried running that code and it does the same shit. i really cant be bothered with restarting everything it acts up and it seems like it does that everytime i close my laptop, which i need to do.

>>2951434
hey name one drawing program better than ms paint and i'll use it

>>2951466
pen and paper

>>2951466
a $3 sketchbook

>>2951467
you make a fair point

why has nobody insulted her enough yet

I like this much better.

Watched the first 2 proko videos on gesture drawing and decided to try myself. Not sure if I understand how to find the "flow" and what I'm supposed to do with it in 30sec - 1 minute.

I think I got the hang of this tablet thing down. Posturing is hard without reference and hands are stupid.

>>2949885
if that's supposed to be widowmaker u are going to have to make her posture and ass way more weird

>>2951505
The first thing that comes to mind is, that you need to work on your lines. Your lines are wiggly and wonky, which is not what you want in gestures. You want nice curves flowing into each other.

Don't just limit yourself to proko, try looking at other resources for gesture drawing aswell.
Look at hamptons course and look how villpu does his (there are many videos of him on youtube). Also on conceptart.org in the official quickposes thread there is that one guy spamming his gesture tutorial and demonstration images, you might want to take a look at those aswell.

With gesture alot of it is just grinding and you just have to kind of "get it". Everyone starts out like you so don't be discouraged.

You should also read a book on perspective if you haven't yet. Even though proko tells you that gestures are flat bullshit, a understanding of form in space is necessary.

>>2951549
forgot image

>>2951505
stop drawing figures

read ktd

>>2951557
ktd? and I was told by another anon to start with gestures

>>2951549
the curves part is what I probably wasn't getting, I'll try the other ones you recommended

Tried digital for the first time. Not satisfied with the way I shaded it. Let me know how I can make it better and what needs improving, thanks.

>>2951461
>it fixes the they layer problem but now my pressure sensitivity is going away
Close program → reopen → should be fixed.
I always have to restart services → close program → reopen → everything works.

>>2951588
>>2951578
I would actually also suggest to do keys to drawing like >>2951557 said.

You need to train your eye.

>>2951636
that doesn't mean you should stop gestures completely, the earlier the better. Though your focus should be on training you eye.

>>2951119
>traced
NGMI

>>2951303
>just a doodle so far
>JUST A DOODLE
>A DOODLE

>>2951119
DesigDoll is a great toolto figure out lighting. But those faces are just horrible.

>>2949813
Has nothing to do with being gay. It's the human body. If you can't draw the male body, you can't be an artist.

>>2951588
As my figure drawing teachers always said, look for the s curves. They're there, you just need to find them. They're what will tie the figure together, and create flow.

>>2951505
Also, don't just concentrate on the bones. Look for contour lines, the edges of the body. Look for masses. Look for planes. Look for hollows. The body has volume, and shape, the goal is to capture both.

>>2951466
Photoshop
Painter
ArtRage
GIMP
SketchBook Pro
BlackInk

There's plenty more.

>>2951455
Embrace midtones. These are too dark. Either use a lighter shade of pencil (ie. harder, like a 1 or 2h), or work bigger so the lines dont clog up and darken your image.

>>2951138
Put in more than half an hour a day. That's barely warming up.

Do 15 minutes of 1 minute gestural drawings, then spend one hour on one drawing, a couple times a week. That's the same amount of time that you'd put into a figure drawing class.

>>2951252
Both. There's no one way to do it. You need to master both eventually, but there's no "official" way to do it. Studying form/shape/volume can be part of gesture, by using those to define the shape.

Is tracing something bad practice?

>>2951765
It can help with your lines and you can use it to trace muscles for anatomy practice but don't trace in actual pictures or everyone will know and call you a piece of shit.

whats a guaranteed way to improve? im drawing for 6 months now and have seen some progress but i feel like if i continue my current path i will end up with no more progress.
What are the kind of daily exercises you have to do daily to be sure to make it in a couple of years?

>>2951782
You improve and notice it more by doing things from imagination. It tests what you've learned in your studies by applying it to things when you don't ahve a -direct- reference to whatever you're drawing.

Stop focusing on the time it takes and focus on giving it your full effort every day. You'll end up being frustrated and quitting if you keep words like "how long" in your head.

>>2951765
It's good practice, since it teaches you to draw what you see, rather than what you think.

It's bad form to do so in an actual piece you claim as your own "work" though, unless you make it very clear that you traced it and you're basically doing an amazing job of tracing. Still, you'd just be redundant living xerox machine rather than an artist.

>>2951799
Thats what im going through right now, every day I feel like total shit, no matter how I trick my mind. I keep doing my practice and ask myself why am I even doing this, when I started I had such big dreams about all the stuff I would draw and now I am just dreading it.

Hey guys, I'm trying to learn digital painting
Here is a photo study I'm currently doing,
Any help/critique ?

>>2950807
make it lewder

>>2951309
Finding a black cat in a dark room sure is fun. (It isn't.)

>>2951512
You could definitely use some anatomy book first.

I'm trying to set up an area for setting objects to draw still lifes from. I'm not really sure how I should set up lighting for it, though. Should I just use like a desk lamp or something? I was trying to do natural lighting, but because of the positioning of the window that pretty much just bounces around the room and acts like ambient lighting.

What is the problem here?

(we arelooking slightly upward btw)

Inset is someone's drawing, my drawing is on the right. Will I make it?

>>2951962
S-sure?

>>2951962
You will, if you practice a lot and don't drop out.
Bad anatomy, bad perspective, and you didn't convey the punch dynamics at all. The original is shit too, but it shows the punch better.

>>2951636
>>2951637
Is training your eye something you can do at any point in your life or does it get progressively harder as you age?

pretty new to /ic/, just made this. My brother saw it and called it "flat boring crap". Anyone got any advice?

crit me hard please

is /ic/ the most degenerate board?

>>2952103
I take it you have never been to /pol/, have you?

>>2952103
before /trash/, /cgl/, /d/, /co/, /v/?

>>2952089
work on your proportions mate and anatomy

Ok, so i posted a sketch of this a few days ago but then my wifi fucked out so i decided to finish it myself, how bad did i fuck up?

>>2952126
The right hand is okay, but the left one looks pretty weird. I'd rather redo the oar (red line) than the hand. It doesn't help that it is much shorter (inverted perspective, yo) than the far one.

Additionally, he seems to be leaning to his right considerably, while his legs are sliding in the opposite direction. Is this intentional? If not, see the blue line.

>>2952146
I'll keep this in mind for my future pictures, thanks!

>>2949791
I dun goofed

This perspective is tricky as fuck

help pls

>>2952353
>>2952353
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>>2952353
>>2952353
>>2952353

>>2952353
>>2952353
>>2952353

>>2952353
>>2952353
>>2952353

Just made this, had a little to much fun with the mixer brush tool. anyone got advice for how to make it look sharper?

>>2951962
is she riding a horse?

What should I work on to become better?