/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>all this practice and I still can't draw my waifu

when do I get to draw like these people? Just keep drawing Loomis books?

>>2937532
you can shoot yourself in the mouth when you've made it

>>2937532
NO
DON'T GIVE UP
I'm still practicing for you guys.
I'm trying to draw the perfect 2D waifu to make all women in the world obsolete.
You can help me accomplish this by not giving up and keep practicing.

Just what i was working on becore crashing for the night, gnight bois, most of us won't make it.

im letting you down palpy sorry.

Can I get some advice on this before I render it out?

I'm not really sure what to do with the hands if I can just hide them like that. Also not sure about proportions. As for the lighting situation, I think maybe from behind her or maybe in front.

bonus points if you guess who it's supposed to be

>>2937571
Apparently her right arm is ginormous, I'd fix that

>>2937587
You mean her right forearm? I didn't finish the outline because I'm not sure if I want to keep it there.

>>2937534
takes 6 months to 2 years depending on the one you want to reach. by the time youre there you wont care for being there though.

>>2937571
The head is a little too big for her proportions, don't you think?

Though everything else is just spot-on. Nice job.

>>2937614
Ah yeah definitely. I'll trim it down, thanks!

>>2937520
i guess it could be a worse

>>2937571
So here's how this one's turning out. Just trying to render it out, not really sure how to clean it up. The pose seems awkward, it looks like she's squatting. I also have no clue how to do backgrounds. Feedback is appreciated.

>>2937571
>guess who it's supposed to be

with symbol drawing that bad it could be anybody

>>2937704
her lower leg is still a bit long, even when considering the heels

>>2937707
Okay, will shorten it. thanks

>>2937534
These people aren't that great anon......

hay im new to this thread :D

I am trying to values.

>>2937519
repost from old thread. What to do with this?

Morning drawings from imagination and a photo study

Something bugs me about all of it

>>2937729 , welcome to the thread

>>2937759
In case the large file size is worrying here's the smaller version. I was afraid the viwer wouldn't be able to make out any shapes were it smaller

>all this practice and im still shit

i want to die

it will be done tomorrow my lord. but for now i think this pretty good. maybe ill push some of the face trenches tomorrow

>>2937754
think I went too black again... I've been going from too black to too light so many times, the paper is starting to crumble. I'm happy with the flowers and branch in the back, but the rest is just not on the same level... need help. Also I want a black background with this, any pointers? can't use pencils cause they make a shiny surface. and charcoal is so damn inaccurate on the edges.

>>2937759
The frontal view looks okay, but it's better to make the eyes bigger. Not put them closer, just make them bigger horizontally. Other than that, you've grasped the proportions correctly this time. At least that's what I think.
3/4 face has something very wrong... oh, right, the far eye. Don't be afraid to put it closer to the border of the head. And his nose seems too long; make it shorter.

Your plane constructions don't look right. The top one is simply constructed incorrectly (follow the head's outlines when drawing planes or middle lines). The bottom one is a certified alien. Ears are too big (protruding), eyes are too far apart, the head shape is too off.

As for the study, it's hard to day anything. The shapes are too unclear. I think the brow ridge is too straight, and there's something about his month, but I can't say anything definite until I see your reference.

>>2937769
Wasn't the Emperor much more feeble-looking? Your painting looks more like a Burer (http://stalker.wikia.com/wiki/Burer)), kek.

>>2937809
Thank you; here's the reference

>>2937809
>feeble
uhh he was always wearing big ass robes and was seated most of the time (as emporer). all you have is his wrinkly ass face. thats just insulting saying my palpy looks like a berber, those things have way more horizontal faces

sanity slipping away
i welcome the abyss

New here, I started to do a Croquis cafe study daily as a way to ease myself into the daily habit because I'm a procrastinator.
I was originally speed-outlining the figures for about 4 days before this and not trying to draw the gesture. Was it a good decision to switch? I saw proko's video on how to draw gesture yesterday and so I thought what I was doing before was the wrong way.

>>2937831
we all know that feel bro

>>2937817
So that "brow ridge" was actually his glasses, huh.
If the viewer can't even tell that your character is wearing glasses, that means you did a really sloppy job drawing them. And even if I force my imagination to draw them for you, your portrait still looks like an entirely different person. One that looks like an American movie actor who's used to play brutal dudes. Or, at least, a stern and aged scientist of Germanic descent.
The reasons for this are his much manlier chin and his less round (and generally longer) face. Your values are also not good enough.

Repost from end of previous thread.

Just hoping to get some of the standard ways that people have learned how to properly learn the fundamentals of coloring and valuing their work.

Are there standard resources that everyone uses when they start? General do's/don't that you have would be invaluable too. I just don't know where to begin, and I want to start "the right way" if there is one.

>>2937856
I see what you mean; everything is indeed on a tilt and it is an inconsistent amount of tilting on each feature. Upon reflection it looks less like Asmus Tietchens and more like the protagonist actor from Dr. Strangelove.

You were right; he is in fact German

pre paint lines!

>been in the /beg/ thread for so many months now
>tfw every new person i see in here is better than me

This is one of my first value studies. Why do I suck so much? It just seems that it is all muddy and sloppy, the forms don't read well. Is it because there is no contrast? Or the edge control is nonexistent. Also, I can't get the realism, it is flat.

>>2937922
i doubt it. post work

>>2937922
stop this, people stopped caring after the third repost

>>2937918
*cough* I like this but the mouth lacks definition and I can't tell whether it's open or closed. You might want to define some teeth or the bottom lip or some creases on the side of the mouth; I feel it might be hard to paint over certain features with the amount of definition they have at the moment

Pretty nice though

I just get a Wacom Bamboo.
Feels weird, literally my first drawings made on a tablet.

>>2937940
My first tablet practices looked like this, if we omit several hundreds of circles, squares, triangles, and lines. Don't be ashamed. You'll get used to it after a couple of days and using it will become completely natural in a couple of weeks.

>>2937918
Her right leg looks totally fucked. And you might want to check the vertical position of her navel in relation to her genitals and her ribcage. It seems to be too low.

looking for a full body standing male referance
help pls

>>2937953
https://www.google.com/search?q=full+body+male+standing+reference

Don't thank me.

>>2937704
Use a harder brush.

>>2937954
than...

okay ;_;

if i want to learn how to paint is it better to start off drawing exclusively so i can learn the basics?

>>2937923
Rather than worry about that your hatching is one hot mess. You may want to consider using a different tool for your value studies.

>>2937972
watch Bob Ross's videos, it will help you sooo much with painting

>got good basic knowledge of drawing males and females
>cant draw children because i have never practiced it
>too scared to practice it because my mom comes into my room alot and i dont want her to see me drawing with a underage girl posing full nude

>>2937998
Looks like you only one one option bro, you gotta browse the internet for child pr0nz and use them for references

>>2938009
what if mummy sees it and kicks me out the house

>>2938018
You need to shoot her to death, of course, and then perform mexican su... no, forget that, or you won't be able to forget the name and definition of this ritual either. I don't want you to blame me for that.

For fuck's sake, who in the world makes you draw underage gurls without their clothes?

>>2938018
Gotta have to go through that man, artists are known for taking risks.

All I want to do is get the proportions right. I'm better from what I started but I got a long way to go. Time to study anatomy

>>2938027
draw with boxes and cilinders and translate that into anatomy
read the sticky

>>2937998
I have the same problem. It doesn't help that most of my characters are not adults so most drawing references don't work for them.

For now, I'm just guessing what makes a human child-like since cheese-pizza is a no-go.

How do I deal with this faggots.

i trainned object this time.
it's assed, but do it anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3gCThEYqB4

>>2937520
Ughhh, why are slanted faces 10x harder to draw than normal ones? Completely lost the models' likeness due to pretty much everything (specifically the nose/ eyes not correctly placed in relation to each other) also I'm aware of the mouth being off centre. Thanks.

>>2938126
>rotate picture/canvas
>profit ???

>>2937972
yep, start with drawing till you have a good grasp on the basics

>>2937715
then what is great

>>2938126
I really like the lines on this.

As for likeness I think the shapes on the right eye are off, and the nose might be too wide on the left side by just a touch. I think the bottom lip shapes are off too, although I'm not sure how. Now that I look at it more I think the eyes aren't aligned correctly to look like the models, I think they're tilted too much.

Obviously a solid drawing nonetheless, I'd like to see you take it to completion.

>>2937519
Any critique of this before I go any further? I used a reference model because I'm embarrassingly bad at gesture drawing and I was going to ink and colorize it. Its supposed to be a pin up of a character not that it matters.

>>2937523
Decided my figure drawing could use a warm up. I first drew the form in blue pencil then tried boxing the anatomy. Did I do it right? Hope you can see it.

>put alot of effort into drawing
>stay shit
>lose all motivation

>> tfw you switch monitors in the process of rendering your bootiful waifu and get very different colors and values
Fug.

>>2938251
Life life life draw from life circle of life.

>>2938251
lol

>>2938254
>Live in darkness so I use Flux to ruin my eyes less
>Can't work in colour because most of the blue is missing from my screen and it's too bright if I turn it off

>>2938027
>>2938126
>>2938217
>>2938250
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS
It's written in CAPITALS for fuck sake

How long have you guys been drawing?

>>2938260
I'm on phone dude. Chill out. I'll resize it later

>>2938260
I apologize I was on mobile and doing traditional. I'll learn how to resize now.

>>2938260
Hope this is better.

>>2938275
I don't mean to keep reposting but here it is a little smaller if it helps.

>>2937948
TFW played guitar hero for most of my childhood so my hand eye coordination made using tablets easy as pie

>>2938297
If i get into guitar hero now, will i become a good artist too?

Fist drawing not using anything else as reference. Not surprisingly, it's pretty shit.

>>2937614
>The head is a little too big for her proportions, don't you think?
It's supposed to be a child

>>2938251
media.8(remove)ch.net/pdfs/src/1427151190746-1.pdf

>>2938307
Just by looking at this I'd say you've not been drawing from life/references enough. Do a dozen more than try again. Hope this helps.

Should I also be doing something else while doing Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson?

There's been useful advice from the book but I got to the point where we had to do something like this>>2937802 and I was unable to make it look remotely good.

Having gone further into the book it just seems to get harder and I find myself falling behind much more. Obviously I am brand new to drawing(I hadn't attempted to draw in about 10 years before picking up this book)

>>2938330
terrible advice.
he hasnt even read the sticky, he needs to do that before anything

>>2937932
>>2937948
thanks ros

>>2938335
Ok makes sense to do that. Can I get some critique on the resized figure drawings I did above?

>>2938352
>no construction
its ok for a beginners outline but you should be using 3d shapes right now.

>>2938354
I used circles and a reference for the figure with her legs crossed and used boxes for the bottom two. What should I do?

>>2938361
oh sorry i didnt see that bottom one.
that one is the right idea. do hundreds more and use reference.

>>2938363
Right good idea but what about quick gesture drawing sessions? Should I draw construction boxes for those or just try to capture the quick gesture. I'm terrible at capturing gesture.

>>2938368
read villpu and hamtpon on figures if you havent already. they cover gesture too. as for gesture, its kind of complex, they explain it better than i can. (((proko)))'s video on it is ok too.

>>2938371
I'll find a way to read hampton and I did watch some of proko's videos on it and I do need to pick back up loomi's again if that will suffice?

>>2938374
imo loomis' figure teaching isnt great. hampton and villpu are where its at. im just another /beg/ though

>>2938376
And Frank Reilly

>>2938376
I was going to post a shitty boxed version of my figure but I'm just going to go ahead and sink my teeth into hampton it looks pretty good, thanks anon.

>>2938388
do those boxes too.
remember you have to do a certain number of bad drawings before you are able to draw good ones.

>>2937923
Learn how to draw lines properly. Define the edges of forms with cleaner lines, it'll generate starker contrast between objects making them easier to read.

Basically you're outlining of each object is terrible. Having such scribbly lines amongst a bunch of hatching will of course make it hard to see anything.

You draw like you have no patience.

How do I color?

>>2938426
curves

>>2938426
REEEE STOP POSTING, THIS IS THE ONE PLACE I CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELFF

>>2938426
in ps create 3 layers. colorize them with hue/saturation. make a green blue and red channel. mask them, and conceal the layers. now just paint with those 3 layers and then you keep adding if you wanted.

>>2938426
Overlay it with the base skin color and start plotting on the basic colors. From there repeat what you've been doing, but with colors. Make sure to use different tones and vary on the hues of your pallete, otherwise it will look flat.

>>2938461
also forgot to make it clear. you dupilcate the image 3 times not create 3 blank layers.

>>2937553
You definitely wont.

Hi /beg/ here trying to improve my gesture/figure drawing.
Can people give me process steps that you no longer consciously think but apply that I should learn as I do gestures.
For example, how am I suppose to look at figure and paper back and forth as I draw.

>>2938461
Not that anon, but do you have a link to a visual walkthrough for that? I generally find coloring with solely a single layer with a blending mode of any kind doesn't lend itself well to coloring, personally, and I've never heard of the method.

>tfw

>>2938596
https://youtu.be/C2Srw245R7U
https://youtu.be/qH5Bx1PQbnA
What it sounds like he's talking about.

>>2938651
response to >>2938251

>>2937817
>>2937856
>>2937885
I could tell the brow line but I agree on some level.. like part of the sloppiness is probably due to the copying/quality of the photo but look at the neck and chin shadow that is missing and the left eyebrow, there are many parts left undefined. Studying the head planes and proportions would help you be able to place lines confidently and landmarks of the face even in a situation where the photo is degraded or hard to define.

Where do i go from here? I get this far and I don't know what my next step should be if I want to paint it? Do I clena up the line art? go straight into values?

not happy with this

>>2938727
Depends on what kind of colors you're aiming. If you wanna do painterly-looking stuff i'd say skip the lineart and just paintover the sketch

Personally i think this sketch still can be improved (the left arm looks too long and the way they bend looks kinda unnatural, for example)

>>2938739
Shading is random, why are the highest values in the center? If it's lit from the front then why don't the highlits extend to the top and bottom of the cylinder.

>>2938745
Shading is not random, i was trying to do front light
Its just that i suck at coloring and shading, my shit looks 10 times better without any color

>>2938744
Agreed and I'm still working on it but I don't really have a workflow after this, if I did start the painting, what do you do? Just sort of slapping values down is obviouslly bad

>>2938746
>X is thing, here's why
>No, X is not thing, I don't have to address why

>>2938758
I already explained, i wasnt "random shading", I was trying to shade with a front light source, the problem is that I suck at it, im aware that it looks like shit but im also aware of the problem

>>2938763
>knows it's bad
>knows what the problem is
>implies she doesn't care/doesn't want to fix it
>posts on the critique board anyway in the thread dedicated to beginner improvement

>>2938764
Im trying to improve, but shit doesnt change overnight man

>>2937543

death has to wait until I finish my mandatory self-penance. The penance isn't over when you die it's over when you make it. You all could have been better by now and you know it.

>>2938771
Haven't you posted this already

>>2938727
Stopping for the night.

>>2938126
Are you constructing your drawings or just blocking in the portrait? Something as simple as trying to use a cylinder for your foundation can help a lot. portraits are still representations of 3d objects.

Weird kinda /g/ question but does anybody know how to disable the keyboard an touchpad on a laptop temporarily?

I'd love to be able to draw in bed with my laptop on my lap but my tablet is too big to have it anywhere but on the keyboard of the laptop which will constantly press buttons at the slightest movement.

>>2938816
One of your F buttons should. On my laptop is function-F5

>>2938426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9GBqj9kUP4
Learn colors from this man

>>2938821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOJqbSBPxI&t=180s
Here's an updated tutorial

>>2938820
Mine only has one for the touchpad but that puts me one step closer I guess.

I need some line quality tips. I can never get my lines to look as sharp and as solid as I want them to be, but maybe I'm wrong thinking I can achieve that by drawing it by hand.

>>2938827
its hard for me to focus on the video since he talks so fucking much, but couldn't you just lock the transparency on your sketch layer and color it in with a different color to achieve the same result?

>>2937521
Holy shit, I can't sketch for shit with digital.

>>2938205
What do you think would take it to completion, linking all the lines, rendering it? Thanks for the criticism btw

>>2938858

resized image

>>2937519
I drew this not long after starting fun with a pencil.
Gonna keep going through that book and also try and progress through keys to drawing.

>>2938871
I know how you feel, i feel like i lost all control, thats why i scan my sketches

So what that Loomer guy is saying that if I use his techniques, I can make this drawing I made into something better? Do I have to read it step by step or can I go to any chapter in his book that specifically talks about stuff? (like how to draw the arms etc.)

im work on this any ideas

i see potential but re-do the face (lips) etc just go over again and take some time

any tips ?

>>2939072
How long did this take you?

>>2939076
about 4h with coal and graphite and 10min with fineliner

>>2937998
It's legitimately not necessary unless, use models in dancers clothes/swimsuits if necessary. All you need to concern with are proportions.

>>2938250
>draw figure, then put boxes inside
>bake cake, then mix the flour and sugar in
That's not the point of the boxes. Do it the other way round. They're there to develop the structure.

>>2939072
it would make it look less flat if you added the tops of trees in the back

>>2939090
ok keep going :D

should i do something with the background? ref pic is from rebel base on hoth so i exagerrated the blues a lot for the ice but the background is blurred in the pic

>>2939113
give the background some form
also just generally be more precise with everything

>>2939113
Eric are u a cute boy?

>>2938686
Thing is I didn't want to include anything that wasn't there; I thought that went against drawing what I see.

>>2939052
It looks like her mouth is open, but the lips aren't parting, so she has an elasticated bottom lip. At a stretch it could be a weak chin, but I think even in stylisation it would appreciate being moved up a bit. Also: if you're defining most shape on the nose you should define the philtrum that bridges the nose and the mouth, too (Google philtrum)

Other than that you have a dynamic pose here and I'd like to see where it goes

Would anyone here know something about this:

When ever I try to draw anything, there's a natural tail to every curved line I draw. I normally draw digitally so I have a set stabilizer that gets rid of it, but traditionally and on anything less than the one stabilizer setting I use, all my curved lines have a natural tail.

The image posted shows what I mean. I've tested if it was just the program I used or if it was just me by drawing with pen/pencil and paper, and the tail always shows up. Why does my hand do this? How can I train my hand to stop doing this? It usually happens when I move my hand to leave the paper.

>>2939126
im decent looking. r u?

>>2939118
ill define planes and ridges and such

My art proffessor just assigned us a 24-hour drawing. I don't think I've ever spent more than an hour on a single drawing. I have a week to spend collectively a day on one peice. What are some tips and advice you could give me?
Still life drawing of a sculpture. Charcoal pencil on Drawing Paper. Pic related is a collage of sketches of mine for a marker of where I am.

>>2939131
To leave paper go up. Everybody do that. You go up, but you go up&back to get tail. You need to go up&keep-going-the-way-you-going to no get tail.

>>2939139
>im decent looking
i dont believe you

>>2939131
There's multiple reasons this can occur, first and foremost is the thought of drawing a circle instead of focusing on the line itself. Without the muscle memory it might be too hard to create near perfect circles every time. First, think of imaginary points in your line before you even start the line and use them as reference points, kind of like connecting the dots. Second don't make every circle starting at the top going counter clockwise, try from every starting point. Third consider your workspace, unless you're working on a very small surface, your wrist will only naturally get the circle smoothly for about 180 degrees of it before readjusting, for larger pages or canvas, draw from the elbow or arm.

>>2939139
do a self portrait

test

>>2939203
Ccccccccc

>>2937853
me again.

>>2939252
>5min for that
u ne d more work anon

>>2938746
What you're trying to do is called "pillow shading," IIRC.

One thing I have a really hard time with is keeping within borders when I draw. The 'Linear block in' exercise on ctrlpaint is what I'm trying to do at the moment, and I have a really hard time keeping within the lines.

Any advice?

>tfw no progress during my practice and get really down and sad
>tfw i watch my chinese cartoons with cute girls all those sad thoughts go away
who else knows this feel

>>2939291
feeling bad about your progress and work is a natural part of improving your work ethic. in fact i would say its necessary, you need to embrace it not run away from it.

>>2937704
Her body anatomy was perfect before you made the right lower leg change. Though the head makes she look like a adult better now.

>>2937522
I got tired in the middle of it all so I kinda half assed sone stuff here... Tried to fix the hairline but that ended up worse and anyway I'm done with this one... Thoughts?

what should i focus on next time?

>>2939346
> dat image
If you did that intentionally, you should focus on killing yourself.

>>2939345
Well, you drew a completely different person with a very different razor that seems to have a rotating head.
And his hands seem kinda small for such a face. There's something in his eyes that makes this portrait uncanny.

what should i focus on next time?

>>2939351
Who was your model? His cranium seems to be a bit too big. Or his hair actually has some volume.
Other than that, focus on the way you do ears and mouths.

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>>2939353
His cranium is kinda big irl, but i did it too big anyway. thanks for advices man

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You would have noticed the proportion errors if you had spent more time checking the accuracy of the sketch, you should work on doing a better sketch before shading anything.

>>2939271

>I have a really hard time with is keeping within borders when I draw.

>Any advice?


Stay withing the borders, or you'll have to go back.

I was quite happy with the skull and head before I scanned them in and flipped them; everything is misaligned on them. The head also has very flat, vertical planes; I can't seem to define the depth needed for the head. The nose looks snapped

How do I avoid making alignment errors? Should I just draw the features within lines that approach the vanishing point?

>>2937998
>>2938035
>junior gymnast
>child swimwear
>child dancewear/ballet leotard

>>2939370
You actually did well this time, my congratulations. If you continue like this, you might surpass my head anatomy knowledge pretty soon. Here's another amateurish redline. I couldn't figure out how to properly redline the small 3/4 head, so just look at Mr. Э]FIЯ and note his proportions.

For alignment, try this technique: see the slightly curving horizontal lines on those 3/4 heads? Now, draw any facial element, then draw such a line aligned with it, then just draw several parallel lines going through the places where you want the bottoms of other facial elements to be. Practice drawing parallel curves on an empty sheet first. The curvature depends on the angle. Those lines are actually straight horizontal lines, cross-sections of the face or how do they call those.

>>2939373
Yea that helped a bit.
Though if I get tracked for pedophilia, I'll be blaming you.

>>2939423
What about the boys :D

>>2939427

It's time to drink the bleach, buddy.

>>2939427
>>2939435
Shall we three drink on Brüderschaft?

>>2939414
Thank you so much! That's really helpful, and the redline too was helpful although rough. I'll practice the discussed technique yes

>>2939442

I was about to go to sleep, so might as well. No more suffering, I'll make it in the next life.


Cheers.

>>2939427
get in the sack

>>2938872
Yeah rendering it until it's "done" or at the very least a two value drawing. I'd be interested to see your rendering + edgework because it seems like you have a good grasp on lineweight already

Realized all to late that the shadow shapes were wrong, how do I lay those in so I can notice this stuff earlier?

>>2939563
its okay anon, you got a good picture anyway :3

reminder that your sanity is a recourse and if you dont spend that recourse in an optimal way you will never succeed.

>>2939569
how about you leave your fuckin sanity bs to yourself and go off yourselff?!!!!

>>2939571
If at least half of those had been just boxes the other half would have such fucked up perspective.

>>2938651
i drew this today, it represents my internal struggle with drawing. how is it??

>>2939574
i dont understand your post

>>2939580
Use a cube to build the framework for the head, your filename suggests you're using loomis but the lines I can see don't actually construct anything, construction lines ar edesigned to solve problems, the like problem of the tilt of the head or proportion of the freatures in perspective. Bridgeman advises against using a sphere and opts for using a cube for the head for just that reason, the sphere doesn't help you solve any problems.

>>2939569
You have improved slightly, but your guys still lack cranium, your drawings still lack perspective, and you give those of your heads that are viewed from below WAY too imposing chins. You may start actually drawing ears now instead of ellipses.

I marked the heads that look relatively better than others and those that look irredeemably worse than average. Compare them and learn what makes the first group better. Also use my examples of profile outlines to make better side views.

>>2939569
>sacrificing sanity for anatomy gains
no way faggay

>>2939350
It's not the eyes, it's the nose and mouth and entire chin area really.

>>2939603
Things are pretty tough for me (life stuff) right nos but in the next few days I should be able to give it a good effort. I feel like I have all the peices now and I just need to put them all together. Next long session I have in a few days I'll create a page or two of the best I can muster.

if you draw better than i can:

fuck off

>>2939666
fuckin artistic fags need to die, this baord is for losers only

>>2939193
What kind ignore assignment is it? 24 hours isn't all bad if it's mainly rendering.

does this look like it has volume/form?

>>2939688
resizing, sorry bout that

>>2939692
Well, it could be worse. The volume is readable to some extent, rest assured. Your anatomy knowledge is way more lacking.

>>2939692

Value only works if your edges read well, and that takes more than throwing a couple strokes of grey in where you think a flat shadow is supposed to be.

Drawing is hard. Especially on a tablet.

>>2939736

>>2939752
Oh it looks worse now, stick with your previous style. The thicker lines suit the rest of the head. You should also look at references for the human skull. Style is no acception to how you placed the eyes.

>>2939724
Alright. I worked through figure drawing with loomis but I should probably move onto hampton, brigman or hogarth but I don't know which one's most accessible/best. Which do you recommend from those or elsewhere?

>>2939719
Alright do you have any resources or exercises you recommend for tightening up values? Or should I just do still lifes and studies?

>>2939752
Now I feel even more inadequate
>>2939757
That wasn't me you fucking cuck, it was the best damn edit i've ever seen.
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>>2939760
Couldn't tell, you both seemed to be novices. I guess one is more wap inspired now that I look back.

>>2939762
>Couldn't tell
Boy you couldn't tell a faggot from your own reflection though I couldn't say I blame you.

>>2939763
That's some major inferiority complex right there. Nothing wrong with being shaky with your art skills, you'll get better with a couple years under your belt.

tfw too smart to study perspective

>>2939760
Just ignore that faggot. He's just the resident troll who's always trying to start shit to feel better about himself.

>>2939597
I just want to say I recently did this, thinking of the head as more a square as opposed to a circle, and the results were nicer. Human heads aren't really circles or spheres.

>>2939779
I wish I could say I've made my peace with being a shitter forever but I haven't. I still want to get gud more than everything but everything I draw makes me wanna give my face a bullet acupuncture.

>>2939291
I dunno', I've been practicing realistic figures and faces for about a year, and didn't feel a huge improvement because it didn't look super realistic even then. Went back recently and drew some cartoons, improvement was suddenly evident.

>>2938816
You could probably disable the keyboard from control panel > device manager but I'm not sure how you would go about turning it back on if your trackpad and keyboard are both disabled

>>2939752
I've seen you before, this kind of behaviour is your M.O. Do you actually offer anything of value to these threads like critique? Or do you just like to hang around here and wait for opportunities to show off how much better you are than the anons in a beginner thread? Pretty pathetic desu

>>2939760
Give yourself more credit anon, you really didn't do that bad. It's a little boring, but you're practicing so it's not like it has to be amazing. I only mention it because that might shape your own opinions on it; of course you're going to think the other guy is amazing if he draws something more interesting. The construction of the tip of the nose is off, and his left eye looks lazy. All that leaves is the linework.

As a rough, it's great. You have a base, just start a new layer and draw over it. The trick is to draw long, single strokes. Do not accept any line you have to go over more than once. If you catch yourself doing this, get rid of it and do it over.

So I should just skip straight to the exercises, right?

>>2939759
Well, I can only recommend tutorials on shading and Norling's take on explaining how perspective affects shadows. I don't think there's a guide that would explain values better than observation. You can open up a picture in your digital image making tool, add a layer in Saturation mode and fill it with black/gray to get a correct value map and study it.

>>2939806
Go ahead; if you bought the book it's already self-directed, so skip anything that seems unnecessary

>>2939809
Okay, thanks anon

>>2939811
>if you bought the book

>>2939806
You could do Keys to Drawing instead and actually read the book.

>>2939826
I'll check it out. Thanks

>>2939797
Don't know why your replying to him. They are the same person anon, he literally failed to try to draw in a different style, and then redrew the face in his "better" style. I know he does this a lot with random posters too, but this one is very clear that he edited his own drawing. That's why he got so assblasted.

>>2939736
>>2939752
nice ahegao

is the Wacom Intuos Draw CTL490DW good for babby's first digital tablet? i don't know what im doing, but it's the current best seller on amazon and i can get free shipping

>>2939830
Your failed attempts at trolling make me so hard.

>>2939835
Yes, as long as your fundamentals on paper/pencil are squared away.

I really like to play around with gesture, but it's always been drilled into my head to really exaggerate the shit out of it. Now it feels like I straddle the line between "exaggeration" and "broken spine", how can I know when I've gone too far in the wrong direction?

Went to draw today and ended up drawing a black women lmao, don't know why.

>>2939853
Sorry about the size, I drew this some two days ago too, this was from reference.

>>2939853
Is she one of those white transblacks?

>>2939859
what is a white transblack?

>>2939856
working on my first illustration project and was hoping for some feedback on this style. -outline -simplified detail line -main color -lose shadow -loose darkershadow

>>2939853
looks like her face is being sucked into her mouth

>>2939752
I missed you ahegao anon!!

>>2939863
whoa also why are my colors so different looking when i post it here

also another without the shading

Does it look like baby drawing or stylized drawing?

>>2939848
o-oh. i guess it was kind of stupid to assume i could start straight to digital. it's more that i wanted it for easier editing than anything, but only recently did i discover that you can draw from other places besides your wrist. i thought i'd be ready with his newfound basic knowledge everyone else knew but me

>>2939830
I know you'll probably just cry 'Inspect element' on this but I am the first poster and the second one was not me, I don't know who's trolling anymore.

I need a painter wheel for photoshop cc 2017, anywhere I could get one for free?

>>2939867
You could do whatever you want. There are no rules. The reason everyone harps on about staying on traditional for a year or so is it's easier to get the fundamentals down on a medium that you've been using your whole life.

>>2939852
Test the pose with your body, no? (I actually recommend to do flexibility exercises a lot, without any relation to what you usually do. It'll help you greatly when you get old.)

>>2939856
The expression is qt, but the alignment of her facial elements look wrong to me. Not sure if I can judge this; after all, my own slanted faces suffer from the same problem. Tried to fix it anyway.

>>2939853
I turned your white anorexic woman into a blasian. Make her a disabled tranny, and you'll be a hero in tumblr.

>>2939871
i think ill take the risk and invest in it if there's really no true starting ground. while i'd like to pick up some skill, most of my use for it and knowledge in general comes from the programs themselves. thank you

>>2939878
hahahahahaha thanks anon

>>2939880
>knowledge in general comes from the programs themselves

no program will substitute for not knowing how to draw

>>2939895
i just want to be more precise and faster in photoshopping/editing things is what i mean :(

>>2939900
oh kek sorry

This is going to seem retarded but what is "drawing from imagination"?

>>2939932
From memory or with minimal reference, basically no exact copy of something that exists.

>>2939932
drawing without a reference

All right boys, it's Friday and going to be the weekends soon. You all ready to fucking kill yourselves while practicing?

>>2939685
>What kind ignore assignment is it?
What does that mean? I seriously do not understand the question.
>24 hours isn't that bad if it's mainly rendering
The idea is that a large part of it is to be spent measuring, you know? Unit of measure here, this is like five UM away, draw the bounding box, horizontal&vertical guidelines and that shit, it's just that how the fuck do I spend that much time on it?

>>2939873
You should take this edit with a grain of salt, but I think the jaws were not lined up.

>>2939978
no offense but stiffing the drawing is not a good thing, lol, i admire your fervor for balance but try to see the picture as a picture and not a set of measures

>>2939969
But you should enjoy practicing art. I love learning and when I practice I look forward to the fact that I am evolving my skills. Just have fun with it man and before long you'll before long you'll be autistically craving to study more and become gud.

>>2939982
stiffening* also meant there to be a :) at the end to show that i was being patronizing

>>2939985
Huh, didn't think it was possible to stiffen the face. Care to enlighten us how you'd fix it? I'd like to know what's going wrong here.

>>2939856
The reference isn't very good to begin with. Sketching Manga Style is a great book, but use it as a supplement to more realistic things like Loomis. Also, draw with pen for a while; it'll build confidence and help with chicken scratch.

>>2939988
of course you can? how do you see faces dude? like a bunch of masks? creepy

>>2939988
Ignore the troll.

>>2939996
Well, I guess he got me good, I was starting to question Steve Huston's sensei's teachings. See this is why I kinda went away from /ic/ for awhile. Even if you're doing something right nobody's gonna admit that you've done something right only point the flaws. While trolling and harrassing anons can be fun for a little while it does more harm than good I think.

>>2940001
Also the shitposting and and shit flinging doesn't help either. Really the best thing I learned from here was to get myself into nude figure drawing sessions IRL. That really is the best way to learn how to draw humans imo.

>>2939994
oops missed the what's going wrong here part, i think it's distorted along one axis, sort of like this (see pic) , no tablet, so enjoy liquefy tool edit lol

>>2940031
Hmm looks like I was on the right track. I just was too lazy to redo the drawing completely. I should've just used the mask face I redrew on the side to rework it honestly. I'll have to do some more studies I guess

>>2939991
Which Loomis book do you recommend? Also, any other books/materials on anime/manga/stylized drawing you could recommend?

I have an ink pencil, but I really like to draw on the tablet, I mean, I could maybe sketch more carefully with more thought out lines, but as I read on keys to drawing, its also cool to just let the lines flow I guess. I can always go back to the drawing and make a perfect line art on another layer if I want right... I don't remember the term he used for it, but he said to never erase things when sketching.

>>2940114
ink pen*

>>2939853
lol

Just got a tablet, how's my spidey?

So what Loomer is telling me right here is that I have to draw these shapes first?

Not sure if this goes here or in questions, but I got a problem. I'm trying to do pale skin and I can't decide on a palette. Which of these is better for a base and shade? Gonna add blush, highlights etc later.

>>2940166
Nice, liking the contrast

>>2940241
depends on what race your pale skinned character is, and your background

Thanks for the advice guys. I ended up trying what >>2938462 suggested. I think I'll try adding color before I render next time.

>>2940199
Pretty much.
If you haven't yet, read a book about perspective so you can draw any form at any angle and then you can move on to combining these forms in order to construct a human head.

>>2940114
Figure Drawing for All It's Worth (also the Vilppu Drawing Manual and Hampton's Design and Invention). The only others I would recommend for manga are the others in the Sketching series, and How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way is a little simple but could also help.

Letting lines flow is exactly what you want, but you're doing the opposite; you use a hundred very short lines to make one solid line. Everyone does that early on just because they're afraid they'll mess it up. It's good that you're not erasing, now force yourself to cut down from 100 to 10 (not 1; no one expects you to get every line first try).

>>2940245
Caucasian, haven't decided on a background yet. What colors do you think would look good with those?

how's it coming along?

>>2939970
help

>>2940263
What books are good? The only one I know is that "perspective made easy" i think it's called.

Had a try with a simple still life of random things in front of me.

I'm having a hard time with values and rendering itself. Done with a pencil.

>>2940269
Thanks anon, I'll take that to heart and try it on my next sketches, get it right with fewer lines...

Also thanks for the recommendations, I'm already going through design and invention with Hampton and his course, guess I'll go through Loomis and Vilppu after it, also Scott Eaton.

>>2940274
you're not a /beg/! this is way too clean haha.

she's cute, but her face looks like she has the thousand cock stare.

>>2940274
it's nice. A bit boring and stiff, but that's just how those poses are, if it's something like a model for reference sheet or something it's fine.

the head could be a bit smaller, though that's more of a suggestion

My character Jackson. Any thoughts or questions? Also Im taking requests

>>2940256
His eyes color are more lighter. I think one of his eyes is a little bit down compared to the other but u can fix that. Overall u r doing an amazing job :)

which one of loomis' books goes over clothing?

>>2939199
>>2939201
maybe when i learn to now symbol draw and get better at colors. anyways finished this. not sure if the background is good enough but it doesnt matter. so i bought a new batch of 12 sheets of watercolor paper for studies, would 4 figure, 4 portrait, and 4 landscape be a good breakdown to use it?

>>2937519
why is chicken scratching bad again?

Check it out, new drawing.

>>2940344
delte tihs

>>2940344
blog?

>>2940350
dreamlagoon.tumblr.com

>>2940355
holy christ

>>2940355
delete this too

>>2940313
this is somewhat good eh. what do you guys think?

>>2940371
>>>Somewhat

>>2940398
is it not mediocre?

>>2939835
It's a good tablet, I have one myself!

I mostly use it to draw dicks.

Questionable 95 dollar investment,

>>2938891
Are the small hands mine or yours

>>2938770
Make a version with the suggested changes, see how it looks

>>2940313
I REALLY LIKE YOUR STYLE. BUT WHY IS HE A ZOMBIE

Been using references from Posemaniacs but can't help but feel that their feet and ass areas are really inaccurate.

>>2940418
nice dick

>>2940313
>symbol drawing
>symbol drawing with shitty symbols, including:
>weird tumblr lip
>zigzag spikyteeth, and on a human
>meme eyebrows going off head
>dark red void mouth with retarded tongue
>zigzag wound, paper thin skull, pink mashed potato
>sweet droop blood
>hashtag scratches
>circlehead, no neck, not even any chin
It's pretty nice! :) keep on drawing!

>>2940426
a lot more than the feet and ass are inaccurate

>>2940305
>is just standing there
>pose is stiff
this is almost a meme at this point

>>2940498
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>>2940272
It heavily depends on the background and the lightning, bruh. Have you heard of a thing called "color theory"?
Anyway, the first set works better for pale skin, but you need to make it closer to white.

>>2940466
you said it best

>>2940466
it looks more like it came from newgrounds 10 years ago desu

How do I keep drawing?
I'm no that bad but I get bummed out and never find the motivation to draw. How do you guys get that motivation?

I'm just starting out with drawing on the right side of the brain and my first attempt of upside down drawing came out like this, I've kind of spooked myself that I'm going to learn wrong due to this outcome. Is it normal for a first attempt to come out like this or am I not thinking the right way about this?

what do you think??