/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2934986
Bakuman is made traditionally so it's probably just a print out.

>>2934988
a print out? What is that

>>2934988
Is it really? In One Punch Man the characters are drawn traditionnally but the backgrounds aren't.

>>2934986

Dude... I've tried so hard to draw super realistic backgrounds like Inio Asano. It was beyond me how he could draw soo well in a serialized setting.

>>2935355
TURNS OUT THE LITTLE CUNT HAS BEEN PHOTOSHOPPING IN PICTURES THIS WHOLE TIME

i've given up op you should too

>>2935356
There are artists that do draw everything.

Keep aspiring to do that.

>People thought Asano drew everything
I always though that was pretty apparent.

>>2935356

When you find out the magic is gone.

>>2935356
No rules just tools right guys?

>>2935450
Takes the pictures himself, talks about how the story often starts from a town or place as the basis. A lot more than can be said from concept artists who just hit up google and leave stock watermarks in their images.

Oh well, I guess directors and DP's aren't worth much either.

>>2935356
you only have yourself to blame for not seeing it when you look at the picture itself. It's like you people think artists have hidden superpowers or something.

Anyways there's a pretty cool documentary series from Manben, they have an episode about this artist https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4sk4ji_urasawa-naoki-no-manben-manga-documentary-s1e3-2015-asano-inio-english-subs-720_creation

>>2935485
What does it say at the bottom of that persons image? Fucking hell.

>>2935492
true but I'm just saying for anyone who's reading this thread, I think it's an amazing documentary series to watch for aspiring artists who enjoy reading manga, so I'm just using this opportunity to share the word

>>2935485
thank you for posting this link are there other shows like that? doesn't have to be about manga

>>2935365
I believe drawing from photos is superior.

If you draw everything out of your own head, it feels artificial. Every leaf and every rock is there because human intellect put it there.

Nature is random, organic, uncontrolled. I have never seen a painting done 100% from imagination that feels more lived in than one from natural reference.

>>2935667
Not inherently superior. Nakaba does an amazing job with his backgrounds while it's all hand drawn, and it's because they're very stylized and the setting fits it perfectly.

>>2935677

>>2935356
punun destroyed me until I realized literally anybody can do backgrounds like it with the right settings

>>2935667
is there a more elaborate guide on this out there? I always wanted to make comics but my art skill is less advance then my story telling to say the least

>>2935365
My 0.02 on this: learn to draw scenery by hand to this kind of level and like in >>2935355 even if it takes you a week to finish one background - then work out how to do it with 3D models and photos.

I don't begrudge mangakas taking shortcuts like this because the results are still aesthetically-pleasing and they have to draw something retarded like 20 pages a week. Unless you have a small army of assistants to help with cleanup and inking, or are Katsuhiro Otomo, you're not going to be able to keep up that quality drawing 3-4 pages a day.

>>2934986

It helps with time constraints, but you know what happens when you rely too much on references...
Take them away, and YOUR true skill is showing...

>>2935653
not that I know of unfortunately

>>2935667
No.

Shopped backgrounds offer no opportunity for style. It's just real life, in monochrome and high contrast. No matter which artist uses this technique, it will always look the same, and as more and more artists use it, it will only become increasingly bland and homogenous.

I don't read manga and comics to see photoshopped pictures that I could make myself, I want to see a world created by a visionary who has the dedication and skill to bring their vision to life, backgrounds and all.

Shopping captures the world exactly as it is (in a very bland, machine like way), this is true; but if I want to see that, I'll simply step outside. I read this shit for style, and if you don't like that I suggest you pick up a camera and head over to >>>/p/.

At least there you don't have to see the world through a shitty photoshop filter.

They even say in one part of Bakuman "yeah we can just trace the backgrounds and vehicles and stuff".

>>2937672
To be fair authors does that because backgrounds are secondary in their series. And Asano still kinda added more than plain filters to them.

>>2934986
>>2934998
I'm not 100% sure on all of this, but I know that there are/maybe/used to be a technique where you would basically draw something on a another piece of paper, cut it out, and paste it to the background or vice versa.

For example, say you wanted to make a complex background, but to do so it would be difficult to draw the character at the same time. They would draw the character separately and then put them in their place; that's why it sometimes looks like there's a white outline around some characters sometimes.

Maybe.

>>2935485
shot in the dark but you wouldn't by chance have a link to that video of takao saito of golgo 13 fame using a lit cigarette to dry the ink on one of his pages would you?

>>2937863
What happens if you search Takao Saito on Dailymotion? anything? you useless cunt.

Using photos for backgrounds isn't a recent thing in manga.

>>2935391
I can't believe there are people who think manga artists still do everything traditional. Even the author of Berserk has been experimenting with photoshop.

>>2937893
do you have emotional problems

I'm not super offended about comics using photo manipulated backgrounds. I mean the point of a comic is the narrative and characters. no one should really care if they use a photo every once in a while as long as it isn't flagrant.

>weeaboos actually believed their anime artists drew backgrounds completely from scratch and imagination
>not realizing that asians are the biggest cheaters and notoriously shady

Fufufu...Yesssssss hitaramigaijin-san keep buying our overpriced pillow accessories you wouldn't want your waifu to get sad now would you heheheh good goy.

>>2938094
I know it's ballin as fuck to be a /pol/tard but it really depends on the person. western artists can be guilty too. and like other anons have said, if you were an artist you could tell if something was just a photocopy or not.

>>2938094
I wonder why do they die from overwork if they take so many shortcuts.

>>2938108
It does not matter whether you could tell if they plagiarized, cheated, traced or whatver. The average person would be too mesmerized to even notice the point is to sell hence why (((they))) are so successful at it.

>>2938139
I think the shortcuts that are not noticeable are justified to a certain extent. whereas mangas or animes that wholly rely on rotoscope or photobashing a ton of photographs in a really obvious way DO get called out and trashed. are you denying western artists don't take the same kinds of shortcuts?

>>2938139
whereas shows like little witch academia(east) and samurai jack(west) all get an appropriate amount of praise for their hand drawn and hand painted artwork

>>2938153
Little Witch Academia has shit animation though

>>2938224
idiot

>>2938233
why

>>2938137
what book is the source of this image?

>>2935355
>>2935356
Asano art sucks, the backgrounds are all photoshop shit and his anatomy around the head area blows

honestly, hes lucky hes actually a pretty good writter